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Metaphor for ... Something
2008-06-28 17:58
by Jon Weisman

An excerpt from Simon Rich's "Animal Tales," in The New Yorker:


"Hey, look, the truck's stopping."

"Did they take us to the park this time?"

"No—it's a fire. Another horrible fire."

"What the hell is wrong with these people?"

It's not intended this way, but I think it's a metaphor for me taking my kids to a Dodger game.

* * *

Angels at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

Comments (298)
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2008-06-28 18:15:09
1.   Gen3Blue
I'm a sucker for metaphors I can't really understand--but my despair for the human race recently makes me think frogs and dogs may actually last long enough to make retrospective metaphores about us. Trying to make my adult children see that growing our possesions endlessly may not be productive is hard work
2008-06-28 18:16:30
2.   Gen3Blue
But of much more universal importance---go Dodgers tonight.
2008-06-28 18:30:01
3.   Kevin Lewis
Alex, I stand corrected. It was baffling to watch.
2008-06-28 18:30:32
4.   dzzrtRatt
Ah, don't worry about us humans, dog. We'll figure it out.
2008-06-28 18:34:45
5.   Bumsrap
0 - Spot on!
2008-06-28 18:40:26
6.   Bumsrap
Sometimes the best part of taking your kids to a Dodgers game is remembering that our fathers took us to Dodgers games.

Now if I ever get a grand kid...

2008-06-28 18:55:12
7.   Gen3Blue
Oh,man it looks like this regional battle is so colloquial, DTV has no channel it can pick up. It may mean Gameday, which is hard to stay awake for EST. And unfortunately looks like an Arizona win.
2008-06-28 18:55:41
8.   Alex41592
From Tony Jackson:

Kuroda to start on Wednesday at Houston unless he feels some sort of residual negative effect from the 45-pitch simulated game he pitched today, which was split into three ``innings.'' Rafael Furcal, Danny Ardoin, Andruw Jones and Mark Sweeney all took turns taking their cuts, and Kuroda looked good. .. As for Brad Penny, he is probably going to throw a similar simulated game (trying saying that three times quickly) sometime during the Houston series, although there still is a slim chance he could be sent on a minor-league rehab, something manager Joe Torre said he would rather not do. Guessing if the sim game goes well, Penny would come off the DL and return by the start of the next homestand a week from Monday if not sooner.

2008-06-28 18:58:16
9.   MonkeyBlue
Karros I love you and all, but Sweeny is most useless PH ever. I don't care if he has experience.
2008-06-28 19:05:44
10.   Sam DC
Jonny Gomes just Alex Cora'd to tie the Pirates in the 8th inning.

Rays are really something.

2008-06-28 19:07:40
11.   Alex41592
9 - If we cut Marlon Anderson last season there is no reason why Mark Sweeney is still on the team this season. But, Ned and company won't make a move until they declare somebody better on the market and they'll probably have PVL status. Just because you're a veteran doesn't mean your presence is wanted nor needed. Production is needed and Sweeney hasn't given any of it.
2008-06-28 19:10:40
12.   Alex41592
Jones blows the save in Detroit. Rockies score three in the ninth to tie it.
2008-06-28 19:10:58
13.   Gen3Blue
Sweeney has earned a rank way beyond useless. How many strikes has he had with how few other outcomes interposed? It must be a record.

Our line-up is not so bad tonight. But unless we continue miraculous pitching, the black hole is probably too big.

2008-06-28 19:14:40
14.   gpellamjr
13 Cheer up! There's a game on.
2008-06-28 19:15:20
15.   Bluebleeder87

Yeah I heard that too, & I understand it to a degree BUT there comes a time were it becomes a detriment to a team & you have to balance that out specially if your the manager.

He's gonna be DFA in a few weeks so the point is moot.

2008-06-28 19:15:20
16.   berkowit28
There seems to be no Angels broadcast tonight, nor tomorrow. No wonder they're getting a huge number of votes for Angels winning the AL. Angels fans watching and voting.
2008-06-28 19:15:44
17.   Alex41592
12 pitch first inning for Bills.
2008-06-28 19:16:11
18.   The Trolley Dodger
11 I'd wager they're waiting for Nomar to come back before they cut Sweeney.
2008-06-28 19:16:25
19.   Bluebleeder87
The Snakes won today but I gotta tell you they seem very flat these days I really feel if we get into a little hot streak we can take over the division.
2008-06-28 19:16:52
20.   Michael D
Nice first inning for Billingsley. I hope we can get some more offense for him tonight.
2008-06-28 19:17:15
21.   Alex41592
Angel broadcast is on KCOP channel 13 for those who care.
2008-06-28 19:19:11
22.   dzzrtRatt
13 Torre will go to the end of the line with Sweeney, in hopes he can turn it around and earn his place on the roster. But with all the DL players coming back, the end is coming soon. Most nights, he'll have a bench with two of Garciaparra, DeWitt and LaRoche, Young, Berroa and one of Pierre, Ethier and Kemp. Included in that group are at least three PVLs plus one of the team's most productive hitters (Kemp.) Even if Sweeney goes to another team and thrives, he's unlikely to do much better than the options we've got left after he goes
2008-06-28 19:20:05
23.   scareduck
16 - I noticed that the Cubs/Chisox game had both announcing crews. That's probably good for the homicide rate in Chicago: if I had to listen to Hawk Harrelson, I'd be sharpening knives.
2008-06-28 19:21:39
24.   Bluebleeder87
In the back of my mind I'm thinking Russell Martin is gonna hit another home run tonight.
2008-06-28 19:25:05
25.   Bluebleeder87
Weaver gives up his share on long flies so I'm hoping A Dodger hits one out.
2008-06-28 19:25:06
26.   Alex41592
I got Kent here with a big hit.
2008-06-28 19:27:14
27.   Alex41592
Dodgers so far are having very good at bats.
2008-06-28 19:27:24
28.   Bluebleeder87
Weaver pitches like his arm is gonna fly of to the stands.
2008-06-28 19:28:57
29.   Alex41592
Miguel Cabrera bails out Jones with the game winning hit in the ninth.
2008-06-28 19:32:34
30.   Bluebleeder87
the more I see Chad Billingsley work those corners the more you gotta be impressed with him, especially keeping the ball down, WITH HIS VELOCITY, watch out, wow.
2008-06-28 19:33:24
31.   berkowit28
21 I see what it is now. I live in Santa Barbara and get Cox Cable. Cox has always broadcast KCOP on 13. All of a sudden it's gone, replaced by some cable channel MYRTN. I'm very glad I'm not an Angels fan, or I'd be very upset.
2008-06-28 19:33:42
32.   Bluebleeder87
Nice all around inning there with the K's & the great play by DeWitt.
2008-06-28 19:34:49
33.   das411
!!!!! Do I get to ring the bell because Chris Coste just catcher's interfered with MILTON BRADLEY, who was so upset he inadvertently flung the barrel of his bat into the stands on the swing??
2008-06-28 19:35:54
34.   underdog
Chad looks awesome so far. Keep up that awesomeness, kid.
2008-06-28 19:36:16
35.   Bluebleeder87
James Loney looks even taller when he had his pants toked in & the knees.
2008-06-28 19:38:53
36.   underdog
24 If he does, that could be the only run the way these two guys are looking.
2008-06-28 19:39:21
37.   scareduck
31 - this has been a sore subject for Angels fans in SB.

About the same page that Bills struck out Hunter on.

2008-06-28 19:39:29
38.   Alex41592
Kemp doesn't like Jared Weaver. 0 for 3 3 K's.
2008-06-28 19:42:20
39.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp needs to realize those pitches are too close to take you gotta at least swing at them... I can still here my little league coach yelling at us when we didn't swing at those close pitches with 2 strikes...

not only does it look bad for the batter but the pitchers confidence grows when you do that.

2008-06-28 19:44:04
40.   underdog
Didn't see this posted here already, and since it was the subject of some debate... I have to say, this cracked me up. Andy goofed but he copped to it.

From Diamond Leung's blog:

>>"Pretty much everybody that knew me that watched the game called to ask what kind of drugs I was on," Andy LaRoche said of a bunt last night that came with two out and the bases loaded.

LaRoche, who got a talking-to from Manager Joe Torre, said he couldn't remember bunting for a base hit in his entire life.

"Why not do it with two out in a one-run game against our cross-town rivals," LaRoche mused.

"It didn't work out and made me look like an idiot."<<

2008-06-28 19:45:58
41.   Bluebleeder87
Alfredo Griffin looks like he can still suit up & play short.
2008-06-28 19:48:28
42.   underdog
I thought Alfredo Griffin was playing short for us.
2008-06-28 19:48:38
43.   Bluebleeder87
nice from the knees throw from Russell there.
2008-06-28 19:50:46
44.   underdog
Well, that helps. Thanks Jered.
2008-06-28 19:51:24
45.   Bluebleeder87
they way Martin caught that ball it looked like they were crossed up...
2008-06-28 19:53:10
46.   Alex41592
Obvious comment alert: That ball should be Kemp's.
2008-06-28 19:53:44
47.   Bluebleeder87
I was checking to see what #'s Izzy's brother had against Billz but apparently these are the first 2 at bats he's had against Billz.
2008-06-28 19:53:52
48.   Alex41592
Great job by Bills to get out of it.
2008-06-28 19:56:11
49.   Bob Timmermann
I have told my hotel to give me a wakeup call at 4:15 am.

Eastern Time.

I believe this is my time to sign off.

2008-06-28 19:56:47
50.   Bluebleeder87

tid bit to add, Kemp probably gets so much advise left & right that maybe he can't observe all of it at the same time but I'm confident he'll learn from it, little by little, rome wasn't built in a day.

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2008-06-28 19:57:25
51.   dzzrtRatt
35 His pants are what?

Hmm, now that you mention it, Loney's pants are having a hard time finishing sentences. Plus they smell like Cheetos.

2008-06-28 19:58:30
52.   Michael D
I now understand why this is called the no way inning, because no way are we going to score with the 8-9-1 spots in the order coming up.
2008-06-28 19:58:53
53.   Bluebleeder87

I don't know if you've ever stayed at a motel 6 Bob but there wake up call is pretty funny & frustrating at the same time.

2008-06-28 20:00:11
54.   Alex41592
I will say even though we've come up empty the first time around most of the team have had good at bats.
2008-06-28 20:00:30
55.   dzzrtRatt
53 Is Tom Bodette implicated?
2008-06-28 20:02:07
56.   ChicagoDodger
52 Does that make the 4th the "at least" inning? As in at least Pierre won't bat in the 4th?
2008-06-28 20:02:43
57.   scareduck
51 - who cut the Cheetos?
2008-06-28 20:05:27
58.   Bluebleeder87

Yes, you've gotten his wake-up call I imagine... man, Billz already with 9 K's did I hear that right?

2008-06-28 20:05:39
59.   berkowit28
Why was the stadium booing Guerrero?
2008-06-28 20:06:18
60.   ChicagoDodger
58 9 total---5 for Weaver, 4 for Billingsley
2008-06-28 20:09:27
61.   Alex41592
"Well, there's a Gold Glove in his future. I would be assured of that." - Vin

Can't argue with the great one.

2008-06-28 20:11:18
62.   twerp
How about a new first name for Sweeney==

"Sofor" Sweeney.

As in "Struck Out For" whomever he's hiting for at the time.

2008-06-28 20:11:19
63.   scareduck
59 - There's a very unflattering answer to that, but I won't give it.

1) Back in 2003 when the Cubs had returned to Dodger Stadium, Eric Karros made his first at-bat as a Cub. The stadium booed him, including some guy next to us. I asked him why they were booing a former Dodger, and his response was "he isn't a Dodger anymore." I replied that he was traded against his wishes. That got an, "oh".

2) "Bar-ry sucks".

2008-06-28 20:12:28
64.   scareduck
63 "... Karros made his first at-bat as a Cub at Dodger Stadium."
2008-06-28 20:14:15
65.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like Garret Anderson & Casey Kotchman are the only ones who've hurt Billingsley in the past.

Garret Anderon is 2 for 2
Casey Kotchman is 2 for 1

not counting today of course, info. From B-R.Com.

2008-06-28 20:15:44
66.   Alex41592
Another great at bat by the Dodgers and specifically Martin.
2008-06-28 20:17:44
67.   Bluebleeder87

Martin coughs those up like there ain't no tomorrow.

2008-06-28 20:17:49
68.   scareduck
66 - followed by one not-so-good one.
2008-06-28 20:18:59
69.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if upper-management gives injured players the option to go to vegas or to San Bernardino...
2008-06-28 20:20:26
70.   berkowit28
63 1) I'm aware of that prediliction, foolish as it is, but I'm not aware that Guerrero was ever a Dodger, so how is it relevant?

2) I guess so. Booing as a form of respect. Stupid.

2008-06-28 20:21:34
71.   Alex41592
Tonight in Vegas, Jason Schmidt threw 45 pitches. He went 2 2/3 innings and gave up three hits, two walks and one run with one strikeout.
2008-06-28 20:22:20
72.   CanuckDodger
In Jacksonville tonight, Elbert pitched three innings in relief. No hits, one walk, 7 K's. I'll take that.
2008-06-28 20:25:06
73.   Alex41592
Kyle Russell for Ogden has tripled, walked and been hit by a pitch so far. 2 RBI's and three runs scored.
2008-06-28 20:25:15
74.   Bluebleeder87

2 2/3 innings & it's already July... another thing is how his shoulder feels the next few days.

I'm disappointed at his slow progress, but I was worn by you guys, I should have listen. Sometimes I'm too optimistic for my own good.

2008-06-28 20:26:52
75.   Alex41592
Oh yes. Billingsley beautiful.
2008-06-28 20:28:04
76.   Bluebleeder87
I must be getting old, I got disappointed looking at this picture of Kyle Russell.

[ ]

2008-06-28 20:31:12
77.   underdog
Great news about Elbert, and wow, what's Kyle Russell's OPS at this point?


I wonder if the booing of Vlad has to do with the fact that "he should've been ours" before the ownership change screwed over those plans. Not really his fault per se, but maybe there's resentment. Still, that was, uh, awhile ago.

2008-06-28 20:31:44
78.   Bluebleeder87
man, the english on that was something to be hold.
2008-06-28 20:31:58
79.   underdog
Hmm, is that a hit or an error?
2008-06-28 20:32:54
80.   Bluebleeder87
will take it...
2008-06-28 20:33:04
81.   Alex41592
In a 0-0 game the Dodgers get the first break.
2008-06-28 20:33:22
82.   underdog
A bison is stampeding!
2008-06-28 20:33:28
83.   CanuckDodger
This is the 80th game of the season and Billingsley now has 101 K's. I am going to be very disappointed if Billingsley doesn't finish the season with at least 200 K's. I believe the last Dodger pitcher to cross the 200 K threshold was Kevin Brown, in 2000.
2008-06-28 20:33:37
84.   ChicagoDodger
That was a tough play, no? I would score that a hit. Anyone else?
2008-06-28 20:34:31
85.   underdog
Wow, Vlad has such a gun, that shouldn't have even been close at all.
2008-06-28 20:34:33
86.   Alex41592
Holy smokes. What a throw. Vinny must hate Juan Pierre. That's my assumption. Though he's not capable of hate.
2008-06-28 20:34:35
87.   scareduck
I think that's the game.
2008-06-28 20:34:39
88.   Michael D
I didn't even realize this game was interesting until that Kemp error. Weaver is making way too many pitches though. Not that they will take him out but I imagine he will get tired and hang one before he can go 9 interesting innings.
2008-06-28 20:35:37
89.   Bluebleeder87
I just noticed the longhorns uni is actually skin color, I thought he was trying to go for the football look. My traveling team coach use to dislike that very very much he'd curse at the guys who did that.
2008-06-28 20:35:59
90.   scareduck
70 - 1) the bulk of Dodger fans are both ignorant AND boorish.
2008-06-28 20:36:12
91.   underdog
I would've too, but I guess the scorer felt otherwise. Hmm. Interesting.
2008-06-28 20:36:57
92.   Bluebleeder87

I would... the english sold it for me.

2008-06-28 20:37:15
93.   Alex41592
He just walked Billingsley. He's not going to make it regardless. Though it's a shame Bob is asleep because I want to know who's the last person to lose a game while pitching a no-no.
2008-06-28 20:38:59
94.   ChicagoDodger
92 exactly! Weaver was running towards 1st and the english took it back towards 2nd, and caused him to over run the ball. It was far from an easy play.
2008-06-28 20:39:25
95.   underdog
Well, it's a little early to look such things up. Let's just see if Chad can keep it going...
2008-06-28 20:40:17
96.   Eric Enders
93 Andy Hawkins did it in the late eighties for the Yankees. Gotta be somebody since then, though.

If he does it, it won't count as an officially "interesting" game. You have to pitch all 9 innings for that. But it would still be pretty cool. Hope it happens.

2008-06-28 20:40:34
97.   Bluebleeder87
I really doubt it will stay like that, Russell in particular is taking some healthy cuts against Weaver.
2008-06-28 20:40:56
98.   Vaudeville Villain
I liked Vin's discussion of Rule 9 violations.

Billingsley has been pretty amazing thus far, as well.

2008-06-28 20:41:22
99.   Eric Enders
Jason Bay just hit a walk-off job to end the 13-inning affair in Pittsburgh.
2008-06-28 20:42:30
100.   nick
that's an, ahem, interesting way to take the lead, mmm?
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2008-06-28 20:42:36
101.   dzzrtRatt
dang, andre!
2008-06-28 20:42:46
102.   Bluebleeder87
gun 'em down Senor Ethier. YES!
2008-06-28 20:42:52
103.   Alex41592
Speaking of guns! ETHIER!
2008-06-28 20:43:43
104.   ChicagoDodger
Ethier says "take that Vlad!"
2008-06-28 20:45:32
105.   Alex41592
Scorched, Bills really needed that play to be made.
2008-06-28 20:46:00
106.   ChicagoDodger
Billingsley really wants no part of Vlad....Can't say I blame him
2008-06-28 20:46:22
107.   underdog
Well, the defense taketh, and the defense giveth away. Or something. Guess it was time for the Angels to get a break, too.

C'mon, let's bear down here Chad.

2008-06-28 20:46:33
108.   ChicagoDodger
Now that's an error
2008-06-28 20:47:04
109.   Bluebleeder87
Loney lost it when he peaked at the stands.
2008-06-28 20:48:06
110.   Alex41592
I get the warm fuzzies for Chad Billingsley. Man he is something.
2008-06-28 20:48:18
111.   ChicagoDodger
Wtg Chad
2008-06-28 20:48:19
112.   underdog
I'd say that was bearing down.
2008-06-28 20:48:38
113.   Bluebleeder87
we need to give Billingsley a more cushy run lead.
2008-06-28 20:49:34
114.   Alex41592
Manny Pacquiao just destroyed David Diaz. Destroyed.
2008-06-28 20:49:40
115.   Lefty Supremacist
Just out of curiosity, when's the last time a team was on the receiving end of something and won?
2008-06-28 20:49:55
116.   dzzrtRatt
Chad is living up to all the 2005-06 hype and then some.

Can you imagine what the Dodgers will be able to do to teams if Kershaw catches his potential to the degree Chad has? With Penny as #3, and some combination of Park, Stults, Schmidt, Kuroda and McDonald behind them, this could be tremendous.

2008-06-28 20:50:17
117.   Eric Enders
Three times since 1956, a pitcher has pitched a complete game, allowed nobody to get a hit, and lost.

2008-06-28 20:50:28
118.   JoeyP
Dodgers have no hits thru 5 and they are winning.

Angels havent scored a run since Wednesday night.

Strange game.

2008-06-28 20:50:42
119.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like a packed house at the ravine.
2008-06-28 20:51:40
120.   KAYVMON
Wow, and he's only 23.
2008-06-28 20:54:08
121.   jasonungar07
All that competition for Chad vs the likes of Tomko and Henderickson is what did it.
2008-06-28 20:54:30
122.   ChicagoDodger
116 Yes, many of us have been imagining that for some time now.
2008-06-28 20:57:10
123.   TheBigGrabowski
Vin cares not for rule 9.
2008-06-28 20:57:33
124.   Bluebleeder87

we're brewing something special here but we must be patient, & I hope NedCo doesn't do anything panicky.

2008-06-28 20:58:28
125.   Sam DC
I think I spotted Rule 9 lying in tatters somewhere over in the corner.

I'm not sure what happened, but can I at least propose a Rule 9 reset going forward?

2008-06-28 20:58:42
126.   jtshoe
Kenneth Travis Johnson
2008-06-28 20:59:04
127.   Alex41592
123 - Rule 9 doesn't apply to broadcasters.
2008-06-28 20:59:29
128.   ChicagoDodger
117 Except Johnson is the only one credited with a no-hitter because of this:

On Sept. 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher throw at least nine full innings and a complete game.

2008-06-28 21:00:19
129.   underdog
I'm more worried about this game than anything. More run support would have me less worried.
2008-06-28 21:00:39
130.   Bluebleeder87
not only is Chad Billingsley pitching a great game but he has gone deep into the game.
2008-06-28 21:00:46
131.   Alex41592
128 - So, technically Weaver isn't throwing a no-no until he's leading?
2008-06-28 21:01:40
132.   Alex41592
Huge play by 3.5.
2008-06-28 21:02:04
133.   underdog
Good to have Dre out there tonight.
2008-06-28 21:02:37
134.   ChicagoDodger
131 Exactly
2008-06-28 21:02:42
135.   Bluebleeder87
we need to induce a DP here, I'm hoping this is Billz last inning, I'm sure it is.
2008-06-28 21:03:33
136.   Bluebleeder87

that nick hadn't loomed around these parts in a while, sigh...

2008-06-28 21:05:21
137.   Bluebleeder87
Berroa, Berroa, Berroa.
2008-06-28 21:05:40
138.   Alex41592
Sorry, I delved into the archives.

Rose is off it's bloom. Berroa blew an easy 1-6-3.

2008-06-28 21:06:20
139.   underdog
Argh. Great play by Chad.

Berrow, not so hot.

Btw, I still think Rule 9 applies, even if a pitcher is no longer even or winning. But maybe that's just me.

2008-06-28 21:06:37
140.   TheBigGrabowski
I really miss Furcal.
2008-06-28 21:06:43
141.   Bluebleeder87
Berroa could have used the bag AS A SHIELD by staying back but he didn't & the end result was a bad one.
2008-06-28 21:07:26
142.   berkowit28
124 Ned has nothing to do with whatever decisions are made on the field. Find someone else to blame for what hasn't happened.
2008-06-28 21:07:55
143.   Bluebleeder87
good teams capitalize on plays like that, sigh!!
2008-06-28 21:08:17
144.   Alex41592
138 - Strike that. Reverse it.
2008-06-28 21:08:56
145.   underdog
So... when's Raffy back again? Maybe next weekend, eh?

Anyway, whew.

2008-06-28 21:09:14
146.   Alex41592
Chad Billingsley has been INCREDIBLE tonight!
2008-06-28 21:09:19
147.   berkowit28
2008-06-28 21:09:40
148.   Bluebleeder87
Nice enough inning, I'm sure this is Billingsley last inning, great job man.
2008-06-28 21:09:42
149.   nick
interesting decision to pinch hit....
2008-06-28 21:10:13
150.   underdog
142 I think he was referring to the Dodgers' future as brought up by Ratt, if I'm not mistaken...
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2008-06-28 21:11:41
151.   Eric Enders
Weaver is the seventh pitcher this year to come out of a game without getting a chance to finish a no-no. (That could include rain-shortened games too.)

2008-06-28 21:12:34
152.   jtshoe
Ok, how 'bout Steve Barber and Stu Miller
2008-06-28 21:12:34
153.   Bluebleeder87
a 1-0 lead doesn't make me comfortable I really hope we score more runs, at least 1 or 2 more.
2008-06-28 21:13:04
154.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
150 - Round and round?
2008-06-28 21:14:03
155.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
152 - Barber's arm isn't sore; it's just a little stiff.
2008-06-28 21:16:22
156.   ChicagoDodger
Dewitt got hosed, no?
2008-06-28 21:16:35
157.   underdog
154 - Hah hah! No, Way Cool, Jr, I actually was referring to 116 .
2008-06-28 21:16:50
158.   Bluebleeder87
I bet you anything if Sweeney gets an AB he'll K or hit a little roller somewhere.
2008-06-28 21:19:49
159.   Gen3Blue
The black hole begins.... come on pitching, you know you have to be perfect.
2008-06-28 21:23:12
160.   dzzrtRatt
Aiyee, Broxton v. Guerrero. Should be entertaining.
2008-06-28 21:23:25
161.   Alex41592
Guerrero vs. Broxton for the first time.
2008-06-28 21:24:08
162.   underdog
158 Going out on a limb there, eh?
2008-06-28 21:24:26
163.   Bluebleeder87
Nice Job Blue Ox! now lets get more runs.
2008-06-28 21:25:46
164.   Alex41592
163 - Lets try to get a hit first. Or at the same time would be a neat trick.
2008-06-28 21:26:02
165.   dzzrtRatt
Did I start a fight?
2008-06-28 21:26:21
166.   Bluebleeder87
In Pee-wee we trust.
2008-06-28 21:26:55
167.   underdog
Tim Kurkjian said on ESPN today, as they were breaking down what each team still in the playoff mix needs to improve on, that the Dodgers need Furcal to come back. Mentioned that a scout said that Furcal means as much to the Dodgers as Derek Jeter means to the Yankees.
2008-06-28 21:27:02
168.   Alex41592
Pierre should drop a bunt here. In fact he SHOULD.
2008-06-28 21:27:29
169.   underdog
I sure would like the Dodgers to get a hit, at least.
2008-06-28 21:27:32
170.   JoeyP
No-hit and win?

Just like the Dodgers.

2008-06-28 21:27:57
171.   Bluebleeder87
I wouldn't mind a little bunt from Pierre right now.
2008-06-28 21:28:22
172.   underdog
165 No, a joyful misunderstanding and then a Ratt the band reference. Carry on, as you were, etc.
2008-06-28 21:28:51
173.   underdog
170 Kind of sums up the Angels lately, too, for that matter.
2008-06-28 21:28:52
174.   Eric Stephen
For those of you outside the viewing area, ESPN is showing the game right now as "Bonus Coverage" on Baseball Tonight.
2008-06-28 21:29:21
175.   Alex41592
174 - I was just about to ask that question.
2008-06-28 21:31:08
176.   nick
"a scout said that Furcal means as much to the Dodgers as Derek Jeter means to the Yankees"
--blasphemy! ;^)
2008-06-28 21:32:06
177.   Greg Brock
You've got to be kidding me.
2008-06-28 21:32:16
178.   underdog
Wow, the Dodgers get bonus coverage, for doing something rare, and winning, and yet still being embarrassed at the same time.

But I'll take a win. Come on Sammy!

2008-06-28 21:32:19
179.   Bluebleeder87

I'm glad Saito will get PRIME TIME coverage, woohoo!

2008-06-28 21:32:54
180.   Alex41592
And Bob is sleeping through all of this.
2008-06-28 21:33:12
181.   nick
How can these guys be repeatedly questioning the ph decision?

Do I go too far in seeing this as part of the irony of our era: constant stat-driven stupidity (the save rule determining closer usage etc.) on the part of the very people who disparage stats?

2008-06-28 21:33:51
182.   Alex41592
Saito is in to preserve the Angels no-hit loss. Ah the game of baseball.
2008-06-28 21:33:57
183.   underdog
176 Totally! I mean who's this Jeter fella think he is anyway? ;0)

But seriously, right now, Furcal's loss seemed to ruin the Dodgers precarious offense, whereas as important as he is you get the feeling the Yankees could still score some runs this year if Jeter were out for awhile. Not that it would be a good thing for them...

2008-06-28 21:34:09
184.   Bluebleeder87
Jon is at the game, man, that's crazy!
2008-06-28 21:35:03
185.   Alex41592
I went to yesterday's game and will be going tomorrow. Didn't have tickets to today's game. GRR!
2008-06-28 21:35:18
186.   JoeyP
Not sure who should feel more embarrassed:

Angels not scoring since Wed.
Or Dodgers winning while being no-hit.

2008-06-28 21:35:23
187.   underdog
If this were in Anaheim, would Weaver still be in there though? I presume so.

But I think Scioscia needed to do something to give them a chance to score in a game where runs were clearly at a premium.

2008-06-28 21:35:49
188.   dzzrtRatt
"Seen a few games. Never seen one like this."

-- Vin Scully

Ooh great play by Maza.

2008-06-28 21:35:53
189.   Bluebleeder87
Old man Kent would NOT HAVEN GOTTEN THAT.
2008-06-28 21:35:58
190.   Alex41592
2008-06-28 21:36:38
191.   thinkblue88
This is so crazy!!
2008-06-28 21:36:48
192.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I can/cannot believe ESPN isn't showing this.
2008-06-28 21:37:11
193.   Bluebleeder87
2008-06-28 21:37:37
194.   underdog
Yeah I think subbing Maza for Kent was a good idea.

188 That amazed me too. He's seen a few games, mmm-hmm.

The way the crowd is into it you'd almost think the Dodgers were not only winning but trying to get the no-hitter.

2008-06-28 21:37:58
195.   Alex41592
2008-06-28 21:38:05
196.   Bluebleeder87
I feel like busting my breaking dancing moves!!
2008-06-28 21:38:08
197.   dzzrtRatt
2008-06-28 21:38:37
198.   Eric Stephen
Winning a game with no hits would be almost as exciting as pitching a no-hitter yourself. This crowd is pumped!
2008-06-28 21:39:12
199.   Bluebleeder87
2008-06-28 21:39:28
200.   dzzrtRatt
"He will certainly go for two on Pierre."

-- Vin Scully

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2008-06-28 21:39:42
201.   Alex41592
This thing can turn in a split second. Come on Saito!
2008-06-28 21:39:56
202.   underdog
Uh oh, this is what I was afraid of.

{bite nails}

2008-06-28 21:42:06
203.   Alex41592
There are so many emotions right now. My heart is pounding right now.
2008-06-28 21:42:50
204.   fordprefect
Wotta game. And naturally we don't get KCOP.
2008-06-28 21:42:57
205.   Alex41592
Willits has one goal right now. Poke the ball the other way.
2008-06-28 21:43:00
206.   Bluebleeder87
Reggie Willits against Saito scares me... he has a short swing from what I remember, just puts the bat on the ball...
2008-06-28 21:43:27
207.   thinkblue88

its on KCAL

2008-06-28 21:43:38
208.   underdog
If Saito gives up a hit to Willits here, they may need to make sure there are no hari kari swords in the clubhouse after the game.
2008-06-28 21:44:27
209.   Bluebleeder87
I think Saito got away with one right there, that slider stayed up.
2008-06-28 21:44:34
210.   Sammy Maudlin
I'm so happy for Weaver and Arredondo!
2008-06-28 21:44:38
211.   GMac In The 909
I was there.


Everyone in the greater L.A. area.

2008-06-28 21:44:52
212.   Johnny Nucleo
2008-06-28 21:44:53
213.   thinkblue88
yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!! woooO!!!
2008-06-28 21:44:53
214.   Alex41592
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not feel embarassed at all right now!
2008-06-28 21:45:02
215.   Bluebleeder87
what a game!

I love baseball

2008-06-28 21:45:33
216.   Eric Stephen
No hits, no problem!
2008-06-28 21:45:50
217.   dzzrtRatt
208 Ye of little faith!
2008-06-28 21:45:56
218.   Greg Brock
We win!
2008-06-28 21:45:57
219.   JoeyP
Angel fans have to feel more embarrassed :)
2008-06-28 21:46:10
220.   silverwidow
The most unbelievable game I've seen in ages.


2008-06-28 21:46:12
221.   underdog
That was ridiculous, and I loved it.

I almost feel sorry for Weaver, but you know what, that's the kind of game I could just as easily see the Dodgers losing this year -- great pitching, no hitting. And so I will take it.

2008-06-28 21:46:31
222.   Bluebleeder87
I'm doing the moon walk right now...
2008-06-28 21:46:38
223.   Greg Brock
And that's why baseball is the best game in the world!

/Tim Kurkjian

2008-06-28 21:46:44
224.   Eric Stephen
I just saw the replay of how Kemp got on base. Holy cow, did that have a ton of English on it! I'm not sure I've ever seen a ball spin like that.
2008-06-28 21:47:10
225.   fordprefect

KCAL either. Up in the sticks here. next thing to another planet.

2008-06-28 21:48:09
226.   underdog
Dome arigato, Mr. Saito!

Crazy game, this baseball. And I enjoy the hell out of it at times like this.

And thank God for MLBTV because my girlfriend owned the remote control tonight and was watching some nonsense about cakes on the Food Network.

2008-06-28 21:48:09
227.   Jiminy Cricket
if the front office trades Kemp, I am driving over to Elysian Park ave and kicking someone in the shins.

He stole this game (literally) for us with pure athleticism.

I also don't want to hear anymore about the trials the "kids" are to everybody. Last I looked, no one else is doing anything, either.

2008-06-28 21:48:19
228.   Bluebleeder87
I can't remember the last time we won a series against the Angels?
2008-06-28 21:49:05
229.   Eric Enders
So how does this work... is Saito supposed to give Weaver the game ball?
2008-06-28 21:49:15
230.   underdog
Yeah I'm still not convinced that should've been ruled an error, seemed like a tough play, but it's tough for the official scorer -- doesn't want to be blamed for a guy losing a no hitter either.
2008-06-28 21:50:07
231.   Alex41592
And we won the game and the series. We won an interleague series! It only took an amazing performance from Billingsley, the Kemp spin and speed. Not a single hit and yet this feels like the biggest win of the year. I think a lot of us feel that way right now.
2008-06-28 21:50:37
232.   KG16
227 - if you're aiming for the shins in that situation, you might be aiming a little low.

Got to chalk this up as one more thing "I thought I'd never see"

2008-06-28 21:50:45
233.   skybluestoday
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you your 2008 Los Angeles Dodgers.
2008-06-28 21:50:45
234.   ChicagoDodger
But hey, the Dodgers still need pitching, huh?

Ask the Angels!

2008-06-28 21:51:13
235.   Johnny Nucleo
The most memorable game since 4+1.
2008-06-28 21:51:23
236.   underdog
Now let's make it a sweep, while we're at it.
2008-06-28 21:51:58
237.   Bluebleeder87
2.5 games back.
2008-06-28 21:53:07
238.   gpellamjr
Baseball is awesome.
2008-06-28 21:53:23
239.   Jiminy Cricket
232 we could carpool. I'll go low, you go high.
2008-06-28 21:53:31
240.   underdog
Not to be lost in all this, how about Chad Billingsley?

IP 7.0 H 3 R 0 ER 0 BB 3 K 7

2008-06-28 21:53:33
241.   sporky
I am SO GLAD I recorded this. This is one I'll be burning onto a DVD!
2008-06-28 21:54:20
242.   sporky
I think I'm missing the first half-inning. Durnit.
2008-06-28 21:56:57
243.   Johnny Nucleo
75 game score for Billingsley, 73 for Weaver.
2008-06-28 21:57:00
244.   Gen3Blue
I took a sleep-walk in the moonlight that last inning. Did we win a no-hitter?
2008-06-28 21:57:32
245.   Prescott Pete
Nobody cares, but I had Billingsley, Weaver, Kemp and Saito starting on my fantasy team tonight.
2008-06-28 21:57:42
246.   sporky
240 I have a feeling that Chad's brilliance will be lost in this no-hit kerfuffle.
2008-06-28 21:58:20
247.   Eric Stephen
This brings up the classic Drysdale quote, when he traveled ahead of the club, and was told Koufax pitched a no-hiter. Drysdale's reply was "Did we win?"
2008-06-28 21:59:04
248.   ChicagoDodger
246 Not by any Dodger fans it won't!
2008-06-28 22:00:34
249.   sporky
247 Classic.
2008-06-28 22:01:08
250.   underdog
246 And is it too late to call your co-worker? Will you be bringing the DVD to work? And serving it with BBQ'd crow?
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2008-06-28 22:02:02
251.   Bluebleeder87
ESPN first highlights are of the Dodgers v. Halos game.
2008-06-28 22:02:41
252.   KG16
I just went to where the headline was "Not a No-hitter". Apparently, the Angels don't get credit for a no-hitter because they lost.

that's just dumb.

2008-06-28 22:03:14
253.   sporky
252 They don't get credit because it was only for 8 innings.
2008-06-28 22:03:43
254.   fordprefect

Now that we get up here.:D

2008-06-28 22:04:51
255.   Alex41592
The story that should not be forgotten in all of this is Chad Billingsley. Without him we are on the wrong side of this unofficial no-hitter. As well as Broxton and Saito.
2008-06-28 22:05:44
256.   sporky
250 You can bet your arse I will.
2008-06-28 22:05:44
257.   das411, Dodgers and Jered Weaver and that reliever!

So NOW can Selig fix that stupid rule and make games like this "officially" count as no-hitters??

2008-06-28 22:05:48
258.   Chiron Brown
227 I want to keep Kemp too, but he had nothing to do with the win. He got from home to third on two errors. Kent could have done that and at least Kent would've run hard on the sac fly. Great pitching and good plays by Either, Loney and Maza are what won the game.
2008-06-28 22:06:23
259.   Bluebleeder87
252 if Bob was awake he would have told us that too I bet...
2008-06-28 22:06:39
260.   Bumsrap
Lets rehash a little going back to post 20

20. Michael D
Nice first inning for Billingsley. I hope we can get some more offense for him tonight.

2008-06-28 22:07:02
261.   KG16
253 - that's stupid, if weaver would have gone the whole way, he'd have gotten credit for a complete game, so why not a no hitter?
2008-06-28 22:07:12
262.   Prescott Pete
I get MLB Extra Innings, but I would not have witnessed this classic without the package.
2008-06-28 22:08:09
263.   CodyS
billingsley, showing kershaw how to win!
2008-06-28 22:08:45
264.   sporky
263 Let me clarify that I'm not saying it's a particularly smart move. I'm just glad that we won and I remembered to start recording at 7:25.
2008-06-28 22:08:54
265.   Bluebleeder87
Poor Icaros had his hart broken today when he found out the Tiger stadium dimensions were not what they appeared to be.
2008-06-28 22:09:36
266.   Alex41592
258 - You do know Kent hasn't tried to steal a base all season? And Kemp's speed is why Weaver had to hustle and blew the play. If Kent is running Weaver can take his time and pick that ball up and toss it to Kotchman. Kemp had everything to do with that run. Kemp's casual jog puts most of us to shame.
2008-06-28 22:09:41
267.   dzzrtRatt
253 I'm sure if the Angels asked nicely, the Dodgers would have agreed to bat in the bottom of the ninth.
2008-06-28 22:10:26
268.   Bumsrap
263 - Stultz showing Park showing Billingsley...
2008-06-28 22:10:59
269.   sporky
ESPN makes no mention of His Royal Thighness. Travesty.
2008-06-28 22:11:33
270.   Bumsrap
267 - Maybe they did and we missed it
2008-06-28 22:12:24
271.   Eric Enders
I'm sorry, but 258 is utter nonsense. At least one of the errors, and arguably both of them, were forced by Kemp's speed. If Jeff Kent is running, does Weaver rush the pickup on the grounder? If Jeff Kent is on base, does a throw to second base by the catcher even become necessary? Of course not.

And the errors aside, Kemp did steal the base. Without the steal they'd still playing baseball in extra innings right now. Saying "Kemp had nothing to do with it" is ridiculousness akin to saying Dave Roberts had nothing to do with the Red Sox winning the 2004 ALCS.

2008-06-28 22:12:37
272.   dzzrtRatt
Top of the ninth, the phone rings. I ignore it. I don't want to be distracted from this intense game's ending. Game ends, eventually I pick up the message.

It's my bro-in-law, offering me four tickets to tomorrow's game, plus parking. Undoubtedly good seats.

I had plans. I changed my plans. Awesome.

2008-06-28 22:13:38
273.   Eric Stephen
NL Leaders, FIP
1) Lincecum, SF - 2.79 (won today)
2) Webb, ARI - 3.01 (won today)
3) Volquez, CIN - 3.04
4) Haren, ARI - 3.14
5) Jurrjens, ATL - 3.31
6) Billingsley, LA - 3.43 (won today)
2008-06-28 22:15:33
274.   Bluebleeder87
this division is blushingly bad & it's up for grabs, I seriously hope our hitting comes around because our pitching has been superb all year long.
2008-06-28 22:17:18
275.   KG16
273 - que es "FIP"?
2008-06-28 22:17:44
276.   dzzrtRatt
271 Kemp is everything they say Pierre is. A disruptive force on the basepaths with dangerous speed and a hustling attitude. Then add power and a decent arm.

Pierre is Salieri. Kemp is Mozart.

2008-06-28 22:18:06
277.   LAT
Am I the only one who thinks this is pathetic. The Dodger offense is horrible and this game only highlights how bad it is. I was at the game and for eight innings this was watching paint dry. While Bills deserves a lot of credit for a pitching gem the rest of the team should, a la Ed Wade, look in the freakin' mirror.
2008-06-28 22:18:13
278.   Alex41592
Wow. We've won 7 of 11 and our last three wins have been shutouts.
2008-06-28 22:19:53
279.   Eric Stephen
From The Hardball Times:

*Fielding Independent Pitching, a measure of all those things for which a pitcher is specifically responsible. The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)*3-K*2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number. FIP helps you understand how well a pitcher pitched, regardless of how well his fielders fielded. FIP was invented by Tangotiger*

2008-06-28 22:19:55
280.   Bluebleeder87
Lincecum is an average sized BEAST!!! It sucks he pitches for the Giants.
2008-06-28 22:19:56
281.   PDH5204
277 Agreed. Glad for the win but there won't be many no-hit wins and the team OBP of .325 didn't get any better today. The SLG before today was at .380. The team is in danger of OPSing at less than .700.
2008-06-28 22:20:41
282.   Bumsrap
quien es Salieri?
2008-06-28 22:21:03
283.   Prescott Pete
277 That game was great to watch on my mac. GREAT!
2008-06-28 22:21:26
284.   Alex41592
277, 281 - If this is pathetic then what are the Angels tonight?
2008-06-28 22:22:16
285.   Bluebleeder87
your such a party pooper LAT...

PS for the record I wasn't impressed with Weaver's "No hit pitching"

2008-06-28 22:22:40
286.   dzzrtRatt
277 Sure, but Weaver is a superb pitcher. Until Pierre and Berroa are back on the bench or AAA, there's a black hole you can't ignore. This is the kind of game we haven't been winning, despite our own fine pitching. So maybe the joyous reaction is just because the luck is evening out.
2008-06-28 22:23:02
287.   Eric Stephen
This is only the 3rd game in Dodger Stadium history in which the Dodgers didn't get a hit. The other two games were the Kent Mercker no-hitter in 1994 and the El Presidente perfect game in 1991.
2008-06-28 22:23:18
288.   ChicagoDodger
277 It's only pathetic if you have unrealistic expectations.

Dodgers are young (the ones playing anyway) and will struggle for a couple of years until fully developed.

I have said it before mostly in other forums, but this season has been very interesting. It's only frustrating if one is expecting the young players to produce right away. At time they will, many other times they won't. And that's to be expected.

If that's pathetic, I'm not sure what you are expecting.

2008-06-28 22:23:25
289.   Chiron Brown
266 Olmedo Saenz or your choice of Molina brothers would have been safe after Weaver overran that ball. You are right that Kent would not have been stealing so I'll give credit to Kemp for have the skill set of Pierre. But he made the play at the plate much closer than it should have been. If he continues to play that casually he's going to have a moderately successful career in Kansas City or Pittsburgh.
2008-06-28 22:24:16
290.   underdog
284 Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. The Dodgers pitching has been amazing. The Angels pitching was also amazing tonight. The Dodgers got the win. They've won 2 straight from the Angels. If you guys want to look on the negative side, by all means, but I see the Dodgers as being a team on the rise when Furcal comes back. Their offense will improve; their pitching is already great. They're still not a great team but there's plenty to feel good about right now, too. Give some credit to Weaver, too.
2008-06-28 22:24:46
291.   LeeLacy
278 And the pitchers have K'd 32 batters over the past 3 games.

These days, the Dodgers are either shut-outers or shut-outees (if you'll allow me to invent a new term).

2008-06-28 22:24:58
292.   Alex41592
I don't think the Angels give a rule 1 that they no-hit the Dodgers tonight. At all.
2008-06-28 22:25:14
293.   Jon Weisman
277 - But it's not like it's news. The hitting's poor, the pitching's great. At least the outcome was memorable.

Of course, I have my own issues to deal with.

New post up top.

2008-06-28 22:25:40
294.   underdog
Or what Ratt said in 286. Anyhoo, a win tomorrow would be even better. Let's get er done, Kershaw.

Night folks.

2008-06-28 22:25:42
295.   dzzrtRatt
282 Check out the movie "Amadeus." Salieri is a mediocre but much-honored composer who is, in this fictional version of history, so jealous of Mozart's superior talent, he plots to murder him as an act of revenge against an unfair God.
2008-06-28 22:26:56
296.   Bumsrap
290 - The Angels pitching was amazing tonight but one doesn't know for sure
2008-06-28 22:30:41
297.   Bumsrap
295 - Thanks, I guessed he was the Amadeus guy after reading Wikepedia, the latter mentioned Salieri was a student of the harpsichord and one of Beethoven's teachers. Amadeus was great.
2008-06-28 22:30:46
298.   LAT
277. Well put, but this team is barely watchable for entertainment purposes. Moreover, I'm not sure JP will head back to the bench when Jones returns. He seems to have cast his spell over Torre.

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