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San Fernando Valley Voted Against Dodger Stadium
2008-07-02 11:53
by Jon Weisman

Keith Thursby of the Daily Mirror blog at the Times notes that the close Proposition B vote in 1958 in favor of handing Chavez Ravine over to the Dodgers was made even closer by the fact that six Los Angeles City Council districts, including all four in the San Fernando Valley (where I grew up), voted against the measure.

Councilmen John Holland and Patrick McGee, two frequently quoted opponents of the stadium deal, served districts with the biggest margins against the Dodger contract.

Holland's 1970 obit by Times staff writer Doug Shuit included a quote that summed up his view of the contract. "It was the biggest steal of public lands and money since the trade for Manhattan Island with the Indians for a basket of beads," Holland said.

The city of Los Angeles had appopriated the land in Chavez Ravine long before the Dodgers' decision to move, but many found the notion that the public at large would enjoy seeing baseball games there to be small compensation.

The biggest support for Proposition B came from South Central, West L.A. and East L.A.

Comments (139)
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2008-07-02 12:07:06
1.   LoneStar7
yes to add on to the comment from the last thread, what is the latest on Tony? Anything at all to report
2008-07-02 12:08:58
2.   Jon Weisman
1 - Surgery, out for the year.
2008-07-02 12:11:27
3.   Scanman33
Does anyone know where I can find old friend Hee Seop Choi's stats for the Kia Tigers? I found their official site, but my Korean isn't that sharp these days. Thanks.
2008-07-02 12:13:53
4.   D4P
Does anyone know where I can find old friend Hee Seop Choi's stats for the Kia Tigers?

The tip of Bob's tongue.

2008-07-02 12:15:23
5.   rockmrete
Thanks Jon
2008-07-02 12:18:09
6.   Scanman33
Hey, and it's another old friend, D4P.

How goes?

2008-07-02 12:19:11
7.   overkill94
Woo hoo, go West LA! Represent!
2008-07-02 12:22:46
8.   D4P
Good. I'm done with school, and may actually be getting a job within the next 12 months.
2008-07-02 12:23:24
9.   LogikReader
I'd like to see a chart that represents percent of ppl from each area that goes to Dodgers Games.

For example, lets say that in a typical game

23% of the fans are from the Westside
20% are from the eastside
30% are from the SF Valley
17% are from the Inland Empire
5% are from Orange County
and 4% are from Ventura County leaving
1% from "other"

What do you guys think the actual percentages are?

2008-07-02 12:25:07
10.   LogikReader
I left out Central LA and Hollywood!
2008-07-02 12:26:01
11.   bhsportsguy
When I worked in the Valley for a non-profit, the biggest complaint you hear is how everything is downtown (or in the Valley's case, Van Nuys).
2008-07-02 12:26:59
12.   Scanman33
8-Congrats and it's about time. Once you start working, you're going to get this piece of paper every couple weeks with a bunch of numbers on it. Just take it to a bank and they'll tell you what to do with it.
2008-07-02 12:29:18
13.   mwhite06
9. Perhaps personal bias here, but I always assumed the SFV made up the largest base of Dodgers fans-- especially now considering the bandwagon fans for Anaheim post World Series. North of the stadium (SFV and Ventura Co.) would seem to have least influence from Anaheim.

Inland Empire and Orange County (obviously) would have the lowest percentage of Dodger fans, IMO.

2008-07-02 12:29:42
14.   Bob Timmermann
Patrick McGee represented a Valley district, so that accounted for a lot of the opposition. Another councilman from the Valley, James Corman, was a big stadium supporter.

McGee and Corman did not like each other. McGee was quite a reactionary. Corman went on to serve in Congress. He was in line to become head of the House Ways and Means Committee after the 1980 elections, but lost to Republican Bobbi Fiedler by a very small margin.

The Harbor was big for Dodger Stadium too.

2008-07-02 12:31:31
15.   cargill06
Hossa to the Red Wings

2008-07-02 12:33:09
16.   Jon Weisman
12 - "a bunch" of numbers? Sounds swanky where you are!
2008-07-02 12:33:43
17.   D4P
Michael Bluth to family:

"I got a job...You know, something you apply for and they pay you to... Never mind, I don't want to ruin the surprise."

2008-07-02 12:38:15
18.   bearlurker
9 Now don't you be lumping in the Inland Empire with the San Gabriel Valley--extending to eastern LA county-Pasadena, Glendale, Monrovia, Arcadia, Duarte, Covina, San Dimas, Pomona, Claremont--pretty significant Dodger contingent in that part.
2008-07-02 12:39:02
19.   Scanman33
16-I was including my Social Security number and withholdings.

Or, I meant "a bunch" in the same way Colletti explained that Pierre gets on base "a lot".

2008-07-02 12:39:22
20.   silverwidow
We need an encore with Kemp leading off. It's an interesting wrinkle and needs to continue indefinitely.
2008-07-02 12:41:03
21.   dzzrtRatt
I wonder if the blogger is any relation to Floyd Thursby?
2008-07-02 12:43:17
22.   underdog
21 No, I think he's Kaspar Guttman.

Hey on Josh's post on Cardboard Gods re all-time Dodger teams, he's now broken it up into LA and Brooklyn teams. Help him fill in the gaps for best all-time by position:

C: Campanella
1B: Hodges
2B: Robinson
SS: Reese
CF: Snider
RF: Wheat

Los Angeles
C: Piazza
1B: Garvey
3B: Cey
RF: Guerrero
SP: Koufax
RP: Gagne

Anybody got any thoughts on who fills in the various gaps?

2008-07-02 12:51:27
23.   Wilbert Robinson

Choi statline from using the google translator on the Kia Tigers home page:

In 120 ABs .208/.269/.333/4HRs

Also in looking at some message board which I couldn't find again there was a post saying he was listed on the DL with "Dizziness and Back Problems".

And then there's this 7/1 team report from

5. Kia Tigers (6) –Closed the month a little cold after starting hot, but the Tigers have shown that they'll be knocking at the door of No. 4 during the second half. Cleanup hitter Jang Sung-ho, whose missed a lot of time this year, had a terrible 2 for 16 week after being one of the league's hottest hitters through the start of the month. With Choi Hee-seop out with general craziness Kia kind of goes as Jang goes.

2008-07-02 12:54:11
24.   cargill06
With Choi Hee-seop out with general craziness

LOL, um ok.

2008-07-02 12:54:51
25.   LoneStar7
Choi is out with general craziness?
2008-07-02 12:57:04
26.   BlueCrew Bruin
Uh oh...does that mean Loney is in danger of being put on the DL with Specific Craziness (eyes)?
2008-07-02 13:00:34
27.   Wilbert Robinson
Also if youssed this in April this was the headline after Lima got released from the Tigers:

"Not one win gathered…Lima is Kicked Out!"

Also Wilson Valdez was cut in June 1 believe so watch out.

2008-07-02 13:01:53
28.   Scanman33
23-Thanks a bunch for the update and the translation.

I think we found a new reason for Milton Bradley to go on the DL.

2008-07-02 13:03:45
29.   Wilbert Robinson
27 *you missed. I really need to preview before posting I'm the worst typoist.
2008-07-02 13:04:22
30.   Marty
21 I've actually called Keith, Floyd a few times.
2008-07-02 13:04:55
31.   regfairfield
General Soreness needed someone to hang out with.
2008-07-02 13:05:25
32.   Dodgers49
23 With Choi Hee-seop out with general craziness Kia kind of goes as Jang goes.

Is craziness Korean for soreness? :-)

2008-07-02 13:06:24
33.   Bluebleeder87
13 I get friendly banter from the inland empire crowd.
2008-07-02 13:10:16
34.   Xeifrank
I ass-ume the demographics of the LA regions that voted back in 1958 were quite a bit different back then than they are now. I'm sure south Central was a different beast now vs then. vr, Xei
2008-07-02 13:10:52
35.   Xeifrank
THUD! That's the sound my stock portfolio made today after a month or so of beating.
vr, Xei
2008-07-02 13:12:54
36.   Bob Timmermann
In 1958 South Central still had a small, but significant white population. It didn't have much of a Latino population.

And the San Fernando Valley was pretty much split in 1958 so that most of the Republicans lived in the West Valley and more Democrats lived in the East Valley. The East Valley had a lot of unionized workers.

This was back in the day when L.A. was much more industrialized than it is now.

And lots and lots of airplanes were made here.

2008-07-02 13:13:02
37.   Bluebleeder87
I feel like printing out Jon's typo "were I was grew up" & framing it somewhere. :o)
2008-07-02 13:13:13
38.   Dodgers49
Triple play can't save Suns

>> The Suns announced that seven of their players were picked for the July 14 Southern League All-Star Game in Zebulon, N.C. They are May, DeJesus, Gonzalez, infielder Russ Mitchell, outfielder Jamie Hoffmann, and pitchers James McDonald and Jesus Castillo. ... <<

2008-07-02 13:16:44
39.   old dodger fan
It took a month from the date of the election to announce the results. Today we expect the results before the polls close.
2008-07-02 13:18:42
40.   Jon Weisman
37 - They ain't that rare. :)
2008-07-02 13:19:23
41.   Jon Weisman
39 - They announced the results in the next morning's paper. Official tallies, then and now, come later.
2008-07-02 13:21:36
42.   Dodgers49
Jones hopeful knee will hold up

>> "The DL was to repair something, and I think it made (my knee) stronger, and now I'm ready to start playing."

The plan is for Jones to return after the All-Star break, but he has other things in mind.

"I'm trying to think about pushing it and coming back this weekend," he said. "We'll see how it goes these few days and go from there." <<

## Los Angeles infielder Nomar Garciaparra had no setbacks in his rehab from a strained left calf. He started at shortstop Tuesday and went 2-for-3 with two sharp singles and two runs scored in five innings. ... ##

2008-07-02 13:29:15
43.   BlueCrew Bruin
So, presumably, after the All-Star break:

Kemp - RF
Martin - C
Kent - 2B
Jones - CF
Loney - 1B
Ethier/Young - LF
LaRoche - 3B
Nomar - SS


2008-07-02 13:30:05
44.   CodyS
AJ is 4 for 6 with a HR and a walk in two AAA games. Sounds ready to me.
2008-07-02 13:31:09
45.   okdodge
With all the recent setbacks concerning injuries, Andruw saying he wants to push it raises all sorts of red flags.
2008-07-02 13:32:28
46.   okdodge
43 That's a good lineup, but does anybody else feel like it's missing the all important element of a guy to steal a base at the top? :)
2008-07-02 13:32:32
47.   D4P
In Andruw's case, red is an improvement over white.
2008-07-02 13:34:18
48.   silverwidow
43 For better or worse, they're going to run DeWitt out there almost everyday.
2008-07-02 13:34:22
49.   Lexinthedena
How does the Dodger medical/training staff compare to the rest of the league? I know that there are ratings for this. Anyone know off hand?
2008-07-02 13:36:36
50.   BlueCrew Bruin
46 Yeah, it does feel like there's juan thing missing...
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2008-07-02 13:39:43
51.   JoeyP
Park, Beimel, Stults, and Wade have put up these numbers:

131 IP
2.13 ERA

Thats amazing.

All in all, I think Dodger pitching this year has exceeded expectations. The only real disappointment has been Penny.

2008-07-02 13:40:28
52.   silverwidow
No roster move announced yet.

Tony Jackson says "within the hour." My NEW guess: Brian Falkenborg DFA (since they will need a 40-man spot for Nomar this week anyway).

2008-07-02 13:40:31
53.   regfairfield
49 Will Carroll ranked them as middle of the pack in whatever neboulous system he uses, up from last place.
2008-07-02 13:45:01
54.   RELX
49. I'd like to know that too. The Dodgers seem to have an inordinate number of players--Schmidt, Nomar, Furcal, and Brazoban off the top of my head--who play one or two games on rehab assignment before getting re-injured, and it is always the same injury, Nomar's calf, Schmidt's shoulder, Furcal's back. The only other team's injuries I follow fairly closely are the Yankees and the Mets, because I am in New York, and neither team seems to have the problems the Dodgers do.
2008-07-02 13:47:32
55.   El Lay Dave
43 Juan Pierre is eligible to return by then. He clearly has a belly full of guts so he may actually do so.
2008-07-02 13:53:09
56.   Dodgers49
Garciaparra could rejoin Dodgers soon

>> Before any decisions are made, Garciaparra and Jones still have two games left at Triple-A, which Bundy said likely involves a schedule of the two players each taking a day in the field and a day at DH.

Although it's uncertain if either player will be ready to return by the weekend, they're headed in the right direction.

"I thought both of them looked a little bit better than they were yesterday, so a couple more days to go and hopefully they'll be ready to go," Bundy said. <<

2008-07-02 13:56:48
57.   GMac In The 909
54 See Alou, Moises.

But he's 136 years old, so there's that.

2008-07-02 13:57:07
58.   Rob M

Los Angeles
C: Piazza
1B: Garvey
2B: Lopes
SS: Furcal edges out Will, despite short teunure
3B: Cey
LF: Tommy Davis
CF: Willie Davis
RF: Guerrero
SP: Koufax
RP: Gagne

2008-07-02 13:59:20
59.   Rob M
I meant Will*s*, of course.
2008-07-02 13:59:47
60.   Rob M
I see you can't embed a bold letter. Live and learn.
2008-07-02 14:03:13
61.   Dodgers49
I just received my copy of this week's Sports Illustrated and on the cover is Tim Lincecum and they're calling him "The Freak." So I guess it's good we'll be missing him in the upcoming series with the Giants.
2008-07-02 14:03:55
62.   fracule
Speaking of votes and tallies.....our golden god
has not cracked the top 4 in all-star voting. What gives?
2008-07-02 14:06:08
63.   ibleedbloo
58 Furcal can't be the best SS after 1.2 good seasons in LA. Can he?

18 I will be the first to admit that the Inland Empire fan base is shrinking, but I do my best to make up for it. 70 games last season, probably 50+ this season. There are a lot "life long" (since 2002) Angel fans out here, but I don't see any real difference in advertising Dodgers vs. Angels.

If the Dodgers could put a winner on the field, the fan base would multiple three fold...for better or for worse.

2008-07-02 14:07:02
64.   regfairfield
63 We have a long history of really bad shortstops.
2008-07-02 14:10:21
65.   Gagne55
59 Lol. I seriously thought you ment William Russell when I read your post.
2008-07-02 14:13:08
66.   ibleedbloo
64 What about our "record setting infield". I don't have numbers off hand, but 8+ average years has to beat 1.2 really good years.
2008-07-02 14:16:57
67.   El Lay Dave
64 The pickings do seem slim. I think Wills 87 OPS+, decent D, SBs, time of service tip the scales towards him.

2008-07-02 14:17:27
68.   regfairfield
66 I don't see anything that suggests Russel could do anything but hit for a decent average. He wasn't even that good of a hitter for a shortstop.
2008-07-02 14:17:49
69.   Rob M
Russell always struck me as the sucky link in that infield. Neither a great fielder nor a great hitter. I think he may have had his best years before 1977, when I was 9 and really started paying attention.

Maury Wills is probably the right call, now that I look at baseball reference. He wasn't much above average, but Furcal was below average last year. I think I just see Furcal as the superior talent, but if that's the rule then Eddie Murray and the Toy Cannon and some others get in.

2008-07-02 14:18:33
70.   El Lay Dave
62 Winning teams generate more votes.
2008-07-02 14:21:09
71.   underdog
It shows you how slim those pickings are when Cesar Izturis and Alfredo Griffin make the list of finalists for best LA Dodger SS on the site.

But I don't think there's any doubt it's Maury Wills, partially by default, but the guy also won an NL MVP award, when he had 130 runs and 104 stolen bases. He won Gold Gloves, etc. I don't think there's any doubt it's Wills, with the other guys a long ways off after him.

2008-07-02 14:21:34
72.   fracule
70 Nah, I propose more votes generate winning teams.
2008-07-02 14:23:04
73.   Andrew Shimmin
53 - I've always kind of assumed that his system is like Bob Woodward's--he ranks his sources highly, and everybody else not so highly.
2008-07-02 14:24:11
74.   fanerman
I guess my main man Greg Gagne isn't gonna get too many votes.
2008-07-02 14:25:14
75.   regfairfield
Ranking the Dodger Shortstops, based on the results of my "worst LA Dodger shortstop poll"


2008-07-02 14:25:17
76.   El Lay Dave
68 Doesn't it turn out that Bill Russell's range is actually pretty good, even if his error rate was a bit high?
2008-07-02 14:26:38
77.   regfairfield
76 He ranks terribly in rate2, which is basically range factor. Someone who actually saw him might say differently.
2008-07-02 14:28:44
78.   Jon Weisman
77 - We always considered Russell the weak link in that infield. He was no Davey Concepcion. But we appreciated his always being around. There was never any real pursuit for someone better.
2008-07-02 14:33:31
79.   underdog
75 - So Wills was second best or 2nd worst according to your poll? I assume the former. No one was worse than Offerman, right?

Rafael Furcal is one of the few SS's they've had who can both hit and field well above average. Usually they either had a great fielder who couldn't hit or a great hitter who looked lost in the field.

2008-07-02 14:36:12
80.   blue22
Grudzielanek hit .326 the one year he played short.

Why did he get moved in favor of Cora anyway? He wasn't a butcher out there.

2008-07-02 14:39:01
81.   ibleedbloo
80 I forgot all about Offerman. My only Jose Offerman memories: 1. HR in 1st AB 2. 3 errors in one game (i was there) 3. Bat attack in minor league game.

I can not permanently block Offerman out of my head.

2008-07-02 14:39:58
82.   ibleedbloo
81 should refer to 75
2008-07-02 14:40:39
83.   regfairfield
My main point against Grud is that he picked one year to be really bad, get traded for Todd Hundley, and he's been a pretty strong middle infielder into his age 38 year.
2008-07-02 14:41:49
84.   Jacob L
Elster, anyone?
2008-07-02 14:42:33
85.   Bumsrap
I always pulled hardest for Russell and Cey to do well. Russell said many times that he didn't dive for balls because he seemed to hurt himself too often when he did and that in part explains his reduced range.

Russell was a steady player and clutch hitter with very good wrists that lead to increased doubles. Russell seemed to be at his best when the game was on the line.

My favorite Russell play was when he was 19 and playing CF. He threw a ball with his right foot planted against the CF wall on a line to second base that I swear never arched above his head. I had never seen a throw like that before.

2008-07-02 14:44:47
86.   GMac In The 909
84 Lisa Guerrero nods in approval.
2008-07-02 14:45:35
87.   Johnny Nucleo
My least favorite Dodger shortstop was Alfredo Griffin by far. Couldn't hit a lick. But boy, was he ever "great to have around in the clubhouse", as they would say.
2008-07-02 14:46:21
88.   Jacob L
Bill Russell hit 46 career home runs - every single one of which was pulled down the line into the first 2 rows of the box seats.
2008-07-02 14:46:38
89.   blue22
81 - Offerman was just figuring it out offensively when they sent him away after the '95 season, and turned into a pretty good hitter for a few years. Just woefully miscast as a shortstop.

I wonder if he could've hacked it in centerfield. But, hey, LA had Roger Cedeno, so they were set in CF.

2008-07-02 14:49:30
90.   Jacob L
I wonder if he could've hacked it in centerfield. But, hey, LA had Roger Cedeno, so they were set in CF.

And, if that didn't work out, there was Jose Gonzalez.

2008-07-02 14:52:20
91.   fanerman
I somehow erased it from my memory that the Dodgers traded for Todd Hundley twice.
2008-07-02 14:54:30
92.   Bumsrap
I think I still have several of Jose Gonzalez' rookie cards someplace. World class speed. Torre would have liked him.
2008-07-02 14:55:47
93.   Bumsrap
If only Russell were still Manager.
2008-07-02 14:56:42
94.   Marty
My circle of jerk-friends back then loved to heckle Russell. We couldn't stand him. Once, in San Diego, we were all over Russell after one of his many errors. We realized a little too late that his wife was just a few rows in front of us and we had her in tears.

Ah, youth.

2008-07-02 14:57:30
95.   Jacob L
92 Guy made the single greatest catch I've ever seen. My brother and I used to throw tennis ball off the wall of the house, and shout out "Jose Gonzalez!" while attempting diving catches.
2008-07-02 15:01:09
96.   tjdub
Adding to the sad commentary on Dodger shortstops. When I got old enough to complain all Dodger shortstops were referred to with common middle initial - Mariano E Duncan, Alfredo E Griffin, Jose E Offerman, Alex E Cora etc.
2008-07-02 15:04:56
97.   cargill06
94 i missed the of in your first sentence at first... that would've been scary.
2008-07-02 15:05:36
98.   Jon Weisman
Tonight's lineup:

Kemp, CF
Ethier, RF
Martin, C
Kent, 2B
Loney, 1B
DeWitt, 3B
Young, LF
Maza, SS
Kuroda, P

2008-07-02 15:07:40
99.   okdodge
95 I thought the same thing.
2008-07-02 15:08:09
100.   okdodge
99 Was meant for 97
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2008-07-02 15:08:29
101.   Xeifrank
94. Up to what age do you get the free pass on blaming poor judgement on "youth"? My brother always tells family and friends that anything he did before he was 12 years old doesn't count as far as bad behaviour or just general lameness is concerned. How old were you when you yelled at Russell and brought his wife to tears. vr, Xei
2008-07-02 15:11:10
102.   GMac In The 909
General Lameness!
2008-07-02 15:13:31
103.   Dane Bramage
The only heckling I took part in was with my friends' favorite call-and-response:

Q: "What's that smell??"
A: "Juan Samuel!!"

2008-07-02 15:14:50
104.   Marty
101 I was in my 20s. I never said I should get a free-pass. I admit it was bad behavior. I'm basically saying I was young and stupid. I'm old and (allegedly) smart now.
2008-07-02 15:18:45
105.   KG16
98 - Torre moving Kemp to the lead off spot is going to be like when he moved Soriano to lead off. It's going to work. And people will wonder why the Dodgers have a robot made of nails that can hit 40 home runs batting lead off.
2008-07-02 15:19:45
106.   Jim Hitchcock
64 What are you saying? Gagne? Griffin??
2008-07-02 15:21:10
107.   KG16
93 - I always thought Russel should have kept the gig for longer than he did. But at the same time, I wish the Dodgers would have tagged Scoicia to be the big league manager. I never liked the idea of going outside the family.
2008-07-02 15:23:07
108.   Marty
So, I read where a long-lost complete version of Metropolis was found in Buenos Aires.
2008-07-02 15:26:19
109.   Ken Noe
Kershaw back to JAX, per Diamond.
2008-07-02 15:27:00
110.   Jim Hitchcock

2008-07-02 15:28:00
111.   silverwidow
109 I am saddened by this news.
2008-07-02 15:28:42
112.   Lexinthedena
As a teen, we would sit in the Pavilion and heckle the opposing teams centerfielder. Had the most fun with Ruben Rivera and Andruw Jones. I would say that we weren't out of line. Good fun.
2008-07-02 15:28:49
113.   fanerman
109 I am saddened only because I was gonna go see him pitch on Sunday (back when he was scheduled). I think it's for the best though.
2008-07-02 15:30:54
114.   Lexinthedena
109 It makesme sad too, but if it means that Stults gets to stick around, then it's a good move for the Dodgers. Does it also mean that Park will stay a starter?
2008-07-02 15:31:10
115.   JoeyP
Not surprised by the Kershaw move.

Till we meet again as they say.

2008-07-02 15:32:15
116.   ImprobableImpossible
So if the bullpen held the lead last night and Kershaw got a W, would he still have been sent down today?
2008-07-02 15:32:27
117.   JoeyP
Lowe, Billingsley, Stults, Kuroda, Penny appears to be the rotation for the forseeable future.

Torre said he thinks Penny will start this weekend.

2008-07-02 15:34:03
118.   Bob Timmermann
never liked the idea of going outside the family.

I didn't realize Michael Corleone posted here.

2008-07-02 15:34:47
119.   JoeyP
98--Good lineup again. Once Torre lets go of his Dewitt-love, Dodgers will really be able to put their best foot forward.

I've reasoned that any lineup without Juan Pierre at the top is refreshing to see.

2008-07-02 15:35:53
120.   D4P
Kershaw IX: Kershaw Me the Door
2008-07-02 15:37:16
121.   Ken Noe
188 He stopped posting for awhile, but they pulled him back in.
2008-07-02 15:37:21
122.   GMac In The 909
116 Never question Bruce Dickinson!
2008-07-02 15:38:06
123.   Ken Noe
121 That would be 118 , or else I'm spacing through the future again.
2008-07-02 15:38:10
124.   RELX
120 . And when he gets recalled, it will be The Kershawshank Redemption.
2008-07-02 15:39:38
125.   Lexinthedena
122 Next time Kershaw comes up, he'll be wearing gold plated diapers!
2008-07-02 15:40:10
126.   blue22
Well, he was averaging less than 5 innings a start, which probably had to do with both his high pitch counts and protecting his innings. A much better strategy to do that in the minors, since it's a real strain on the pen.
2008-07-02 15:43:07
127.   dzzrtRatt
Really, it's for the best?

Is it because he's too hard on the bullpen (per Sarah's take)? Because I don't think he's done a thing to earn a demotion except the duration of his starts, and that was a foregone conclusion each time he went out there.

Maybe this is just treading water til they know whether the formerly injured are really ready. Kershaw's demotion can be undone in a day. DFA'ing is for real.

2008-07-02 15:43:59
128.   cargill06
ya let's be honest, he's not one of our 5 best SP right now, so why have him up here.

it was good to see the flashes of brillence he showed at times, and still posted a 99 ERA+ at 20 years old with little to no command of the strike zone.

2008-07-02 15:45:04
129.   fanerman
127 Oh... Maybe he can work on his change-up. I don't know. I'm rationalizing a little.
2008-07-02 15:45:08
130.   blue22
Interesting he's going back to Jacksonville. Why not Vegas? They had Billingsley pitch in Vegas.
2008-07-02 15:45:19
131.   Gen3Blue
I almost missed the lineup, but luckily I expanded comments 50 to 100 or whatever. Still with a hole at the end but I really like the way some of the better hitters are moving to the top. It is so important to get some of your better hitters more at bats than your weaker ones. Why is that so hard to see.

22 Dog, I'm having trouble seeing clearly into the past, but Lopes has to be there, as well as Piazza.

2008-07-02 15:45:55
132.   Bob Timmermann
So who is left at the LA Times now to put out the paper?

I see a big building with just Marty, Russ Stanton, and Bill Plaschke running around in it.

2008-07-02 15:46:46
133.   Marty
It's pretty bleak around here today.
2008-07-02 15:48:07
134.   Xeifrank
ix-nay on the 6 man otation-ray?
vr, Xei
2008-07-02 15:48:11
135.   fanerman
132 Did something happen?
2008-07-02 15:48:59
136.   ibleedbloo
Did Kershaw actually ever really exist? Can one go from reality back to mythical status without causing irreversible effects in the fabric of time?
2008-07-02 15:49:16
137.   Bob Timmermann
2008-07-02 15:51:44
138.   Ken Noe
136 There's a border area between myth, legend, and reality that encompasses figures such as King Arthur, who left vowing to return again one day. Kershaw is the Once and Future Pitcher.
2008-07-02 15:53:45
139.   Jon Weisman

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