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The Dodgers won today for the 11th time in their past 17 games, moving within a half-game of first place if Arizona doesn't stage a second ninth-inning miracle in a row, thanks to contributions from players that have been boosted in these parts for a long time now. They also won today thanks to contributions from Nomar Garciaparra, who has been maligned.
But if you'll recall, Garciaparra was criticized in context. Last spring, I didn't feel that he should be the first baseman ahead of James Loney, and suggested that he be moved to third base. But the Dodgers insisted that was impossible, simply out of the question - until they moved him to third base.
I'm more than happy to see what Garciaparra can do at shortstop, though I share the skepticism that he can remain healthy. I do see his presence in the lineup as a definite boost in the absence of Rafael Furcal. But it makes me wonder about other ideas the Dodgers convince themselves are true, based on non-existent or even conflicting evidence.
I could go on, which is pretty sad. This post has some urgency I gotta say, life is sweeter when the Dodgers are winning - it really, truly makes me happy to a disproportionate degree - but it's a nagging worry that you can't trust the organization to truly understand what's working for them.
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Which brings me to Bill Plaschke of the Times: Are we supposed to think this is for real?
Part of the reason that Paul DePodesta was fired from his job as the previous Dodgers general manager was because, during his final aborted managerial search, he did not even inquire about the availability of Scioscia.
I read this 24 hours ago and tried not to write about it, but it's really been bugging me. In what universe could the Dodgers have possibly gotten Scioscia out of his Angels contract to manage the team - a team that unceremoniously gave him the boot. In what universe was Scioscia going to leave Arte Moreno to work for Frank McCourt - or for that matter, if he was such a lowlife in your eyes, DePodesta? And why are we hearing about this for the first time now, 2 1/2 years after DePodesta was fired?
I realize providing a source for these kinds of statements would be too much to ask, but could they at least pass the credulity test? It's bad enough that Plaschke has written another column suggesting that the Dodgers would be in first place if they had 25 Blake DeWitts. Nothing personal against DeWitt, but if that philosophy is true, I'm available for center field. I'm a hard worker and a great listener. I'll even get a sitter for the kids.
Yeah, it makes that much sense.
Doing the little things are great. They're valuable. Doing the big things are more valuable. Yes, David beat Goliath, but not over 162 games. If the DeWitts and the Juan Pierres are working as hard as they can and still aren't as good as the so-called lolligaggers - a group that somehow manages to include Russell Martin, among others - do I really need to spell out which group is more critical to winning?
Show us that the little things are more valuable. Are we to believe that the Angels have more ballplayers than the Dodgers, but less talent? Prove it.
I also remain incredulous that the core of younger Dodger players has been, in Plaschke's word, "coddled," considering that except for Martin, they were demoted, benched and put down in the press at every opportunity for much of the past two years. Loney, Kemp and Ethier always hit and field in the long run, yet for Plaschke it's all about the missing grounder to second base. Even Chad Billingsley, the best young pitcher in the National League West this side of Tim Lincecum, can hardly draw an ounce of respect in this town.
I sort of operate under the premise that I implicitly agree to disagree with Plaschke, considering how differently we see things with the Dodgers. He's doing his job as he sees it, and I'm doing mine, and he's not going to care about what I say, so why bother challenging him? But when I see a column like this one, it isn't clear to me that it has a requisite amount of fairness. Or maybe DePodesta should have checked to see if Miller Huggins would interview for Jim Tracy's job.
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According to Dylan Hernandez of the Times, Joe Torre believes that Mark Sweeney's strained right hamstring, which has reportedly been bothering the struggling pinch-hitter for the past month, has been a factor in his poor performance. If that's true, why wait until now to put him on the disabled list?
You see what I mean? Either the Dodgers have made an utterly phony DL move, or they've been just pointlessly slow in reacting to signs of trouble.
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Okay, enough moaning.
Dara Torres who was a senior at our sister school Westlake when I was a senior in high school at Harvard, will be going to the Olympics next month at age 41. I want to express my completely unearned pride her in achievement. I also went in the pool today, but spent much of the time doing somersaults, which I guess qualifies me for half a synchronized swimming team.
Anyway, big congrats, Dara.
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Update: Radio announcer Brad Golder of the Dodgers' affiliate in Great Lakes has been interviewed by David Laurila of Baseball Prospectus.
An excerpt:
DL: Who is the best player wearing a Great Lakes Loons uniform right now?
BG: I think that Andrew Lambo, hands down, is the best prospect, and the best player, on this team. He's a hitter who can go to all fields with power, especially gap-doubles type power. He's also a real competitor. For some players there's an intangible you see when you're with them on a day-to-day basis, and with Andrew that's a swagger and confidence. He's an above-average defender in left; he gets good jumps on the ball, despite the fact that this is his first full year playing left field. He's probably a better defensive first baseman, but we have hardly seen him there, because with James Loney at first for the Dodgers, I think they see the future for Lambo as a left fielder. And I think he'll be well above adequate there, but his strength is hitting. He's a left-handed hitter who hits lefties better than righties, and he can go to all fields. He's the guy you want at the plate late, when the game is on the line, because he's far and away this team's best hitter.
Of course Nomar is an injury risk. But he's an injury risk at any position. He got hurt playing first base in 2006, did he not?
Can someone help with this comment? What does that mean, wouldn't be fair?
Nomar is under contract. He is old, so it's not like they are trying to protect him ala Kershaw. Get what you can out of him. It's only a couple more months and then he's history. Is it really that much harder (physically) to play SS then say 3rd? Or even 1st? Maybe over 162 games, but there is less then 80.
To play off what I wrote in 2 , I think there's reason to question whether Nomar could even DH every day without getting hurt.
One other point while Kemp may still be learning on the job he gets better each week, early in the season when other Dodgers besides Furcal were not hitting Kemp was. He also improved significantly in center field when he was subbing for Jones.
If I was into conspiracies between Ned's interview and the Plaschke article I should be concerned, but am hoping that with the Dodgers forced to play the kids and the vets for the next month, people will begin to see how good this team really is.
If he needs a day here or there Maza is more then sufficient.
I mean, where does Nomar play if they get Wilson? Please don't tell me he takes over 3rd or 1st? That's even worse then the players they would have to reportedly trade for Wilson.
No, the only spot for Nomar is SS, and he's lucky Furcal is injured or it would be the bench. Let him make the best of the situation.
On July 12, 2004, Mike Scioscia was given a contract extension through the 2007 season and in November of 2005, Scioscia's contract was further extended to 2009.
At what point was DePodesta supposed to engage in contract tampering?
Since I was out of town and I missed the coverage, but was Billingsley's performance during the no-hitter like game by the Angels ever acknowledged?
Pardon being unclear. You are correct his offense did suffer, but his CF defense seemed to improve
Wilson makes sense since he's still under contract for 2009 which would give Hu and DeJesus another year to develop. That being said, I wouldn't give up a whole lot to get him (maybe something like May and Adkins). Although he's a fan favorite in Pittsburgh and doing well at the moment, Pirate management would be dumb to not get something for him while they can.
But the Rosenthal article, (I know, who trusts him anyway), said that some of the players mentioned in the CC trade are mentioned in a potential deal for Wilson.
The ones mentioned in the CC trade were McDonald, Hu, and LaRoche. I wouldn't trade any of those for Wilson. And I wouldn't include LaRoche for CC either. Can't they just give Andy the 3B job already?
This one sounds like Tommy Lasorda was a co-author and written before the recent win streak began.
That might help explain reference to Scioscia. The propaganda smokescreen continues unabated.
Blame the young players who are producing (Martn, Kemp, Loney, Ethier) for the play of the older players who have not been producing (Bennett - hurt, Brazoban - hurt, Furcal - hurt, Garciaparra - hurt, Jones - hurt, Kent - until the past two weeks, Loaiza - gone, Penny - hurt, Proctor - hurt, Schmidt - hurt, Sweeney).
Necessity has led Torre to field a line-up that is now scoring runs. A line-up with Kemp batting lead off.
Too much.
vr, Xei
'"The guy for us who changed the momentum was Kuo," said Torre. "He just shut them down."'
[Gurnick]
Gave me hope (when I reach that age) & I wanted more so read up on her here {http://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/meet-dara-torres}
Most people, in real life, work incredibly hard at what they do. They believe that they get by on their work ethic and their talent. They want to root for athletes who also get by on their work ethic and talent, who also happen to show a little bit of gratitude for the opportunity to play a game for several hundred thousand dollars, if not millions.
I'll be honest, I'd prefer to root for a team with 25 Blake DeWitts than 25 Barry Bonds'. I'd also like to root for a winner, and I think that what the Dodgers are going to be winners long term, and they're going to do it with a team that can engage in the human interest trade.
As for Plashcke's previous predictions, they were not out of bounds. Carroll had no prior success in football as a head coach, predicting his continued failure was logical. As for the Blazers, they did take the Lakers to the limit, if I recall - and then imploded for reasons distinct from Scottie Pippen. We've all made predictions that have been way off.
I now have to go have a very, very stiff drink.
Please tell me when the team of 25 Blake DeWitts comes into town because I want to buy tickets to go see my team to put a beatdown on them.
If you are watching sports to see a team win because of its superior moral character, you are going to be waiting a long time to see that happen.
Just once, I want someone with some actual influence over the club (no offense to you, Jon, and I WISH you had Plaschke's job) to say the right thing in print or on the radio.
Actually, "fisk" is not the right word. Jon was not condescending, he was measured... heck, he was just Jon. Great stuff and a very good read.
Sportswriters didn't like Bonds because he was a cheater, unlike McGwire? Check. And while sportswriters may not have liked Bonds, would any of them have said he wasn't interesting?
A team of cads holds little interest for me, unless they are losing (see the Sacramento Kings, circa 1999).
And c'mon now, you should know I am using the examples of DeWitt and Bonds as extremes. I'd also prefer a team of Many Rameriz's or Vlad Guerreos over a team of Bonds'.
Oh, and Jon, my real beef with you prior was simply that you used J.D. Drew being the second man thrown out at home to discredit Jeff Kent, i.e., you were comparing supposed baserunning skills and compared Matt's sometimes cluelessness with Kent being 1 of 2 thrown out at home on the same play. Most of the negative emotion re that 2 out at home play is associated with Drew and not Kent. Kent was otherwise simply following the lawful direction of his 3B coach, and I assume that there is a clause in his contract that requires him to do just that. Matt's errors, in contrast, largely tend to be of the careless and not situationally aware variety. Not saying that Matt isn't worth more than Kent, but it isn't really fair to take others to task when you've traveled down that same road.
Oh, and so there is no mistake, Jeff has undergone quite the dropoff as well. Take the two combined and that explains as much as anything else, the why of the current win-loss record. I would suggest that we fill the divide and simply understand and report that unless all do their part...and so perhaps Lord Nelson need signal the fleet.
Lastly, it's easy for you and me to bench Pierre as we aren't the ones paying him the big bucks. Presumably, those paying him the big bucks are going to get their money's worth even if it kills them. It wouldn't be the first time in history, nor the last. Fairly predictable, actually.
Sorry, almost forgot, but Rowand looked okay today, yes? Don't suppose that Ned could make a deal with his former mate and so we give them Pierre and Jones and pay their tickets while we get Rowand and they pay his ticket? Then maybe Fukudome threatens to commit ritual suicide unless he can play with Saito and Kuroda in LA? As I've said before, a man can dream.
36 , 37 - I prefer winning, but not if the cost is the soul of my team. Look at the difference between the Cubs and the Marlins... one team hasn't won for a century, the other has two titles in the last 10 years. Which one generates more fan support and interest? The guys who rented two teams to win titles, or the team that has continually tried to do it "right"?
Also, Nomar can be very valuable to us as a shortstop. That's the only place he can play without blocking anybody and it won't be hard to improve on Maza and Berroa's offensive efforts. I like him there a lot.
As for Andruw Jones well he sits on Sunday. Put Loney back in the 5 spot. Drop Jones to 7 for tomorrow.
Pee Wee's clutch RBI pinch hit did not go unnoticed.
Fred Lewis is probably going to have to buy his own drink tonight in San Francisco.
I hadn't read the print version of the Times in quite some time until this morning and looked forward to seeing the sports section to read about the Dodger win yesterday. While the game report was not anywhere on the front page except for a tease, Plaschke's ludicrous negative and error-laden column was front and center. It's depressing.
Anyway, on a less depressing note... Dodgers win! Let's go for another tomorrow.
A lot of them are about the Clippers and there are a lot of complaints about the Angels lack of offense.
Which apparently shows that Angels fans know the deficiency of their own team a lot more than Plaschke does.
But you didn't notice how the only young player on the Dodgers that Plaschke likes is the white player?
And the players who have "issues" happen to be not white. That was the most appalling part of the whole column.
I have no trouble rooting for Blake DeWitt or being interested in him. I might even be more interested in his story right now than I am in, say, Ethier's.
But that has nothing to do with the Dodgers' ability to win. The thing is, the Dodgers as a unit are also a character. And in fact, I root for the Dodgers to be good on and off the field. Both of those things include playing the players who deserve to play.
I work hard in my career. But if I get beaten, so to speak, I'm not offended if the person who beats me isn't of superior moral fiber. I might not like it, but if he's a better performer, who the heck am I to complain?
I don't see Plaschke in this column showing the level of character (in the moral sense) he demands from the Dodger ballplayers. And honestly, as much as I'd like to see the Dodger ballplayers have character, it's more important that a sportswriter have it.
On the other hand the Sabathia rumors make no sense to me. The Dodgers do not need pitching at all. This strikes me as one of those let's make a splashy trade to make a splashy trade situations where the Dodgers could severely blow it, give up top young players for a (very good, no doubt) pitcher they don't need. I hope that's just a Rosenthal rumor-for-the-sake-of-a-rumor and not my trade-for-the-sake-of-a-trade deals.
{worry}
Anyway, night all.
I know how to fire up the troops.
47 - He does like Pierre, doesn't he, even if he didn't say it today.
Plaschke likes Pierre to the extent that it helps him prove his point about athletes succeeding because of intangible qualities.
And two of the Angel young players he liked were minorities: Maicer Izturis and Erick Aybar.
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I wrote the Times last night around midnight. I was ahead of the game.
I particularly like the part about the Dodgers having a better batting average and on base percentage but scoring fewer runs and losing more games. No analysis needed, no context of the slugging percentage or the built in advantage of the DH.
I also wonder, what it is in the Plaschke world view that suggests that a guy with flashy talent can't be taught the fundamentals.
As far as young Angels having a better understanding of winning, well, it might have something to do with them playing in a weaker division than the Dodgers and, you know, actually getting to play everyday during pennant races.
I for one welcome our new Pirate overlords.
Jon makes several good points, Plashke's either intellectually dishonest or a bit thick. Hard to interpret from reading the column, but he appears to be trying to identify the kids' shortcomings that aren't easily captured by statistics -- instincts or lack thereof. Maybe there's something to it that goes beyond mere inexperience, but his execution falls short. He actually treads near a real story angle -- that the Angels have a cleary philosophy that they apply in scouting of amateurs, development in the minors and with reinforcment from Scioscia. Bully for them. Really. The Dodgers don't have an overall identity nearly as strong (culpability, for me, begins with the McCourts). What they do have is young talent that's comparable to that of the Angels. So who's to blame if that talent isn't as well-schooled or understood and supported as well at the major league level? Plaschke chooses to blame the kids. They aren't infallible but this team would be road kill without them.
Again, Plaschke's not taking on the appropriate people, almost like he's trying to ingratiate himself to Ned (and one can almost hear Bowa going off to Plaschke on these "coddled" kids).
If Plaschke pines for a "Dodger Way" he has ample subject matter other than whispering about Kemp. If the Twins can indulge the wild stallion Carlos Gomez as their leadoff man, why can't the Dodgers do the same with Kemp? What has been the ripple effect of Pierre's injury on the kids? Positive or negative? If Andruw's bad knee further fouled up his swing, why bring him back after so few ABs in Triple-A? Wasn't the plan to keep him there for several weeks? Why not keep him there for his own good?
Keep calling him out, John.
Because of this belief, the theory is that the kids do not feel the need to listen to veterans or coaches since they have no fear of any real threat.
Again, that is the theory, somewhat advanced by probably some of the players who may or may not still be on the team and those dreaded unidentified sources.
I do think its a little early to start advancing any theories on if Pierre's absence has anything to do with this latest streak (I don't think it really does).
Before
Ethier: .289/.354/.436
Kemp: .317/.354/.460
Pierre: .289/.342/.326
After
Ethier: .272/.326/.496
Kemp: .239/.304/.406
Pierre: .266/.297/.309
Why can't the Dodgers find good young players? By good I mean the kind of players who turn down a big signing bonus because they don't feel they're worth it. The kind that don't accept promotion because they don't think they're ready yet. And when they get to the big leagues, the kind that ask the manager not to start them because they want more time to study and learn from the veterans. Where are those players?
I don't think the young Dodger players appreciate that when Larry Bowa was a rookie he had to walk five miles, through the snow, in his cleats, to get chewing tobacco and eye black for his veteran teammates. And only then, maybe, would the manager let him pitch hit.
http://tinyurl.com/23wk4b
I know virtually nothing about the character of any baseball player. I can think of no reason to believe that Bill Plaschke knows significantly more than nothing.
BTW, so Nomar runs through the stop sign and only by sheer luck does not get thrown out by five feet. That would have killed the game. Is he in Bowa's dog house now? I doubt it.
All publicity is good publicity.
Career OPS+ of 79 is very satisfactory.
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Whiff.
Whiff.
Whiff.
Mark Sweeney at the plate?
Nomar Garciaparra strapping on his truss?
Larry Bowa shadowboxing?
No, these three strikes are the Dodgers' trinity of young punks, the once-proud franchise's bratty grandkids who run the bases pell-mell and run their accomplished teammates ragged.
Matt Kemp, James Loney, and Andre Ethier.
Whiff, whiff, whiff. Three strikes, boys, and you're out.
Patience, says their adoptive father, Ned Colletti, and you can just barely see Logan White's lips move behind him.
The franchise's mother hen, Kim Ng, so accustomed to standing around looking pretty, scolds little Matty for playing with a trash can, but the pride in her exotic eyes was her father a GI? betrays her stern countenance.
Casey Stengel once said, Can't anybody play this game? Not these three, Casey. They pad their geeky stats by getting on base or hitting flashy home runs, but they couldn't care less about the game.
In today's Dodger universe, it doesn't seem to matter.
Torii Hunter carries the weight of the Angels' world on his shoulders.
Andruw Jones carries a small map of Curacao.
Little Andre wields an iPod.
An iPod.
Mickey Hatcher once played first base with a Twinkie box as his mitt.
Olmedo Saenz likes Twinkies.
James Loney says Mickey Hatcher is on his friends list on Facebook.
Must be a pop-up book.
Ted Williams left baseball to fight a war.
More nobly, Mike Scioscia left the Dodgers to build a winner in Anaheim.
Matt Kemp? He left spring training his team's last at hallowed Dodgertown for a road trip to China. Unfortunately for people who like their ballplayers slow, white and unassuming, he found his way back.
Three ballplayers no, three athletes with scads of talent yet no feel for the little things that build a winning team.
Can they bunt? Take an extra base on a leftfielder with a rag arm? (Wait bad example. Forget I wrote that.) Let a grizzled writer with a drunk-tank half-beard get in line in front of them for the postgame spread?
Whiff, whiff, whiff.
Three strikes for three underaged, overindulged brats. Three kids who say they're learning as they go, promising with crazy, rolling eyes and dismissive, "Whatever dude" phraseology they're willing to sit as Juan Pierre's understudy and wait their turns in the food line.
They'd better be.
Why isn't Ned being held accountable for playing these horrendous kids instead of trading them last season?
DePodesta arrived on the job pre-raked.
If it doesn't work, I'm not oppossed to bringing in someone like Wilson by trading one of the 'kids." But if you're going to do that, why would McCourt and NC make comments like we will hold onto the ones that are "prepared to put in the work, listen to coaches and get better every day." So, what they are saying to a team like the Pirates, is we'll give you our malcontents and slackers - hope they work for you.
Why couldn't they just say "in order to get a quality major league shortstop, someone we'll need if we hope to get into the post season, we will have to give up some good players, maybe even some young players. Fortunately, we're in a position where we can part with some players because we have a surplus of talent in certain positions. We also have some young players who are not in a position to contribute to the Dodgers today but who will be quality players in the future."
BTW, I think the idea that certain young players are not "the ones who are prepared to put in the work, listen to coaches and get better every day" is crazy. But even if there were some truth to it, why poison the well?
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