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July 10 Game Chat
2008-07-10 18:29
by Jon Weisman
Comments (600)
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2008-07-10 18:45:30
1.   bigcpa
The Dodgers are on the clock.
2008-07-10 18:46:20
2.   Gagne55
The Dodgers could even out their W/L record tonight!!
2008-07-10 19:06:08
3.   Indiana Jon
2 and hopefully never look back.
2008-07-10 19:10:43
4.   El Lay Dave
Nats trying to make it interesting again. Double, out, single. 5-3, bottom of the 10th, 3-4-5 hitters coming up (Guzman, Kearns, Dmitri Young)
2008-07-10 19:10:49
5.   thinkblue88
Let's go Nats! Let's GO!

Let's go Nats! Let's GO!

Let's go Nats! Let's GO!

2008-07-10 19:12:02
6.   El Lay Dave
Guzman singles Harris to second, tying runs aboard.
2008-07-10 19:12:09
7.   whodat807
There goes the perfect game.
2008-07-10 19:13:25
8.   El Lay Dave
Kearns doubles them in to tie it up, and takes 3rd. Still one out.
2008-07-10 19:14:07
9.   thinkblue88
Kearns ties up the game, 5-5
Runner on 3rd,
Dmitri Young at bat.
2008-07-10 19:18:34
10.   whodat807
Inauspicious start for Chan Ho's outing today. Single, balk, single, error by Kemp... that's a lot of mistakes for the first inning.
2008-07-10 19:19:18
11.   El Lay Dave
AZ chooses to change pitchers, THEN IBB Dmitri Young, then pitch to Flores, instead of walking the bags full and setting up the force at all bases with Willy Mo Pena.
2008-07-10 19:20:05
12.   overkill94
Has the glass slipper fallen off of Cinderella's foot or is this just a little bump in the road for the old friend? Stay tuned to find out!
2008-07-10 19:20:17
13.   El Lay Dave
10 ... double ...
2008-07-10 19:20:39
14.   underdog
Looks like Chan Ho is off to a bit of a poopy start. But, hey, now that I'm home and watching... There's no need to fear! etc.
2008-07-10 19:21:17
15.   thinkblue88
Fleh, ground out for Wily Mo.
2008-07-10 19:21:40
16.   underdog
Uh, how soon can Kuo get warmed up?
2008-07-10 19:23:25
17.   whodat807
Well I think it was a single and an error by Kemp. But that was promptly followed by a double... and now a walk. Chan Ho's not looking so vintage today.
2008-07-10 19:23:38
18.   underdog
Whatever Russell said to Chan Ho there... say it again Russ!
2008-07-10 19:23:45
19.   El Lay Dave
More free baseball in D.C. :(
2008-07-10 19:24:21
20.   El Lay Dave
17 we're talking about the same double.
2008-07-10 19:24:36
21.   whodat807
BIG PLAY. Hopefully Park'll settle down.
2008-07-10 19:24:40
22.   LoneStar7
good DP, lets hope the offense came to play...come on NATS!
2008-07-10 19:25:07
23.   El Lay Dave
GIDP makes this still a reasonably recoverable situation.
2008-07-10 19:26:08
24.   LoneStar7
Im surprised druw is sitting after his most inspired performance of the year, im not complaining though
2008-07-10 19:28:09
25.   LoneStar7
6-5 snakes
2008-07-10 19:29:03
26.   natepurcell
Mattingly is going to have to do something about Matt Kemp swinging and missing on so many fastballs.
2008-07-10 19:30:52
27.   Hallux Valgus
26 and something about Andruw Jones swinging and missing on so many everythings.
2008-07-10 19:31:00
28.   KG16
I do not like the fact that Johnson is averaging 2 pitches per batter right now
2008-07-10 19:32:26
29.   Hallux Valgus
oh lord
2008-07-10 19:34:01
30.   Gagne55
Well the Nats bullpen failed again. I doubt Arizona blows the save 3 innings in a row.
2008-07-10 19:34:14
31.   El Lay Dave
Chan Ho's impingement is back?
2008-07-10 19:34:35
32.   underdog
Maybe we could call up Jason Johnson quickly to face Josh Johnson. Probably wouldn't fare any worse than CHP in these first couple of innings. (Not that I'm ready to throw him under the bus.)

I still have faith the Dodgers will score some runs today.

2008-07-10 19:36:04
33.   MC Safety
Let me guess, Jones re-injured his knee on that spectacular game changing slide last night.
2008-07-10 19:36:09
34.   Hallux Valgus
HanRam= UnSmart
2008-07-10 19:38:32
35.   berkowit28
Arizona wins 7-5.
2008-07-10 19:40:01
36.   68elcamino427
Wow, replay showed Ramirez spiking the Old Man on the top of the right foot and ankle on his slide into second. No respect for his elders.
2008-07-10 19:40:43
37.   Gagne55
This is Josh Johnson's first start of the year. Maybe the Dodgers can get some runs?
2008-07-10 19:42:03
38.   El Lay Dave
Loney getting deep into the count.
2008-07-10 19:42:05
39.   natepurcell
What are you swinging at James? That was not even close.
2008-07-10 19:42:13
40.   LoneStar7
yikes, that was a terrible swing jimmy
2008-07-10 19:42:25
41.   El Lay Dave
but strikes out anyway.
2008-07-10 19:44:18
42.   Gagne55
Strikes out the side.
2008-07-10 19:45:01
43.   Gagne55
Josh Johnson can be anagramed into nonJosh Josh
2008-07-10 19:46:19
44.   El Lay Dave
42 Santa Anas blowing in DS tonight. All swinging.
2008-07-10 19:47:01
45.   Hallux Valgus
just to weigh in on a hackneyed subject (apologies) that wasn't all that important to begin with- I don't think the Dodgers had any chance at Sabathia (nor anyone else, really). LA doesn't have a LaPorta. At the time, it seemed like LaPorta replicated the players Milwaukee already had. It seems like he was drafted and signed as a trading chip (don't you have to be signed for a year before you can be traded?). LaPorta was signed for a year and 2 weeks.

Now back to your regularly scheduled ballgame...

2008-07-10 19:47:55
46.   whodat807
The balls are really carrying tonight.
2008-07-10 19:48:36
47.   Hallux Valgus
46 for the Marlins
2008-07-10 19:49:33
48.   tethier
He's falling behind in the counts and they are just teeing off on him...
2008-07-10 19:56:30
49.   underdog
Well whatever they said in that meeting at the mound seemed to help settle him down a bit. Still, I wouldn't expect him to be long for this world. What would help is if the Dodgers when they get their second look at Johnson have some better at bats and make some offense happen. Otherwise it doesn't matter what Chan Ho does.
2008-07-10 19:56:56
50.   Jon Weisman
John Lackey allowed 15 hits tonight.
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2008-07-10 19:59:31
51.   underdog
Jeez. C'mon.

Maybe Don Mattingly can come a little early.

Maybe he can insert himself into the lineup!

2008-07-10 19:59:54
52.   68elcamino427
Angel checks in with the offense.
2008-07-10 19:59:57
53.   underdog
Tee hee. Angel Berroa shows 'em how it's done.
2008-07-10 20:00:30
54.   whodat807
Dodgers don't seem much in the mood to put up a fight against Johnson tonight. Four straight strikeouts against a guy making his 2008 debut?

(That said, Berroa just singled. Good for him.)

2008-07-10 20:00:35
55.   underdog
Nice bunt, at least.
2008-07-10 20:00:43
56.   68elcamino427
Bison rbi.
2008-07-10 20:01:58
57.   underdog
I can't say I'm that upset that Arizona ended up winning tonight. Would've been nice if Washington won but I was expecting AZ to win that series. More important is if the Dodgers can hang close, be tied with them when the AS break happens.
2008-07-10 20:03:07
58.   68elcamino427
Bison - Line Drive Power!
2008-07-10 20:03:21
59.   underdog
Angel Berroa got that all started, the little sparkplug!
2008-07-10 20:04:01
60.   thinkblue88
Bison speed!
2008-07-10 20:04:55
61.   68elcamino427
Bison Speed - stolen base at second - 20 out of 26.
2008-07-10 20:05:22
62.   natepurcell
Holy crap, did you guys just see Ethier's facial hair!?!?
2008-07-10 20:05:24
63.   Telemachos
Man, I love watching the Bison run his helmet right off his head. :)
2008-07-10 20:05:42
64.   MonkeyBlue
Bison power is unlimited.
2008-07-10 20:05:45
65.   thinkblue88
Alright Ethier! Keep up the great hitting.
2008-07-10 20:06:00
66.   68elcamino427
Ethier - Hotter than the surface of the sun?
2008-07-10 20:06:03
67.   MonkeyBlue
62. The lack thereof.
2008-07-10 20:06:09
68.   underdog
Huzzah! Andre comes through. I knew they'd wake up sooner or later.

Btw, did I mis-hear or did Vin just mistakenly say Boston Braves in his anecdote about Johnson's rookie year?

2008-07-10 20:06:11
69.   whodat807
Lookie here! Some life in the Dodgers bats after all!
2008-07-10 20:06:14
70.   Gagne55
Johnson's era went from 0 to 7.74 just like that.
2008-07-10 20:06:55
71.   underdog
62 Was that what that was? I thought he was campaigning for Wookie of the Year.
2008-07-10 20:06:57
72.   MSarg29
I wish Kemp would get as much love from the Plaschke's of the world for his speed and "ability to make things happen."
2008-07-10 20:07:25
73.   Greg Brock
What a sparkplug at the top of the lineup.
2008-07-10 20:07:35
74.   MonkeyBlue
71. Heh? really looks really lite.
2008-07-10 20:07:37
75.   underdog
Someone needed to help Ethier out on that wild throw.
2008-07-10 20:07:53
76.   whodat807
72 I just wish Plaschke will eventually realize that not all paragraphs need be one sentence long.
2008-07-10 20:07:55
77.   Hallux Valgus
62 yes, he looks like he's playing a (not very good) game of Tetris on his face..
2008-07-10 20:08:08
78.   MonkeyBlue
WOW! 2 out hits!
2008-07-10 20:08:11
79.   natepurcell
This is some sexy clutch 2 out hitting.
2008-07-10 20:08:22
80.   68elcamino427
This line-up scores runs.
2008-07-10 20:08:26
81.   thinkblue88
Alright Dodgers, keep it up. Great hitting by Kemp, Ethier and now Martin.
2008-07-10 20:08:36
82.   Johnny Nucleo
2008-07-10 20:08:47
83.   underdog
72 What's a plaschke? Some sort of virus?


Woo hoo. Johnson's already hit the wall.

2008-07-10 20:09:34
84.   Gagne55
2008-07-10 20:10:44
85.   underdog
Damn Dodger Stadium! I pulled a Steiner and thought that was outta here.
2008-07-10 20:10:59
86.   Gagne55
84 Power? Who needs power?
2008-07-10 20:12:18
87.   Gagne55
Johnson's era went from 0 to 9 that inning.
2008-07-10 20:12:41
88.   Hallux Valgus
I'm pretty sure Josh Johnson should just let his SOUL GLO!!!!
2008-07-10 20:13:36
89.   Xeifrank
Looks like we're going over on the run total tonight.
vr, Xei
2008-07-10 20:14:16
90.   Gagne55
88 wut?
2008-07-10 20:14:56
91.   sporky
62 What kind of slump is he in to warrant that kind of hideous facial hair?

It's like an homage to Kevin Kennedy.

2008-07-10 20:15:34
92.   underdog
Weird. I think Chan Ho and Josh Johnson did some sort of Freaky Friday-ish body switching thing during the previous inning.
2008-07-10 20:15:41
93.   whodat807
I'm crossing my fingers that Chan Ho's shaken off the early doldrums. 2 K's, that's a nice way to start an inning.
2008-07-10 20:16:11
94.   Hallux Valgus
88 sigh, what I'm saying is that he looks like he has a gheri curl. Even I only barely understood my stupid joke (for other references, please see Eriq LaSalle in Coming To America)
2008-07-10 20:16:45
95.   Gagne55
Baker is having quite a night.
2008-07-10 20:17:19
96.   underdog
...Or not.

Who is this Baker kid and why is he acting like Mike Piazza against CHP?

2008-07-10 20:18:32
97.   whodat807
Martin's legs must be tired, walking to and from the mound as much as he has had to today
2008-07-10 20:18:37
98.   MonkeyBlue
Come on Chan! awful.
2008-07-10 20:18:58
99.   underdog
Pirates trade Wilson to the Mariners!


Craig Wilson.

2008-07-10 20:19:04
100.   Bob Timmermann
While the reserved section is empty in the corners, it is quited with us affluent, computerized types.

I can't even join bhsportsguy and Marty as there aren't any empty seats by them.

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2008-07-10 20:19:45
101.   underdog
I jinxed it I guess.

I think we've about reached our Kuotient.

2008-07-10 20:20:17
102.   Gagne55
100 Did you bring your laptop to the game?
2008-07-10 20:20:26
103.   fracule
94 No worries, I understood the Coming to America reference, I just couldn't type right then without getting enchilada sauce all over my keyboard....oh man...looks like he just let his Soul Glo.
2008-07-10 20:21:09
104.   whodat807
ugh. I'm just hoping CHP can pitch through the fifth without too much more damage, the way this outing is going. The Marlins' pop is hanging him out to dry today.
2008-07-10 20:21:40
105.   MonkeyBlue
Mr. Park is done.
2008-07-10 20:22:10
106.   Gagne55
Park has nothing tonight.
2008-07-10 20:22:22
107.   underdog
Ramirez is already 3 for 3.

Bullpen getting warm.

2008-07-10 20:23:17
108.   tethier
Kuo is up in the bullpen - good!
2008-07-10 20:23:46
109.   LoneStar7
i can't help thinking about how im gonna miss ethier, its been a real pleasure having him in the lineup thus far...and this speedy recovery stuff for slappy is making me sad
2008-07-10 20:23:54
110.   whodat807
Put a fork in him. I would say this isn't vintage Park, but then again, I can't remember him ever pitching great for five straight games even during his salad says.
2008-07-10 20:24:59
111.   Hallux Valgus
103 In honor of someone understanding my terrible joke, I offer the following:

do not go see Meet Dave. No matter if you have kids or not. Just don't. Please take my word for it. The Eddie Murphy who was remotely interesting is long since gone. This Eddie Murphy is just plain creepy.

2008-07-10 20:25:45
112.   Gagne55
anybody warming up?
2008-07-10 20:26:10
113.   whodat807
Btw, did anyone see Skip Bayless say either today or yesterday that the Dodgers should consider signing Bonds? Of the great multitude of stupid things Bayless has ever said (i.e. "Vince Young is a pretender, will get his lunch handed to him by USC" the day before the Rose Bowl), that might have been the absolute worst.
2008-07-10 20:27:20
114.   Gagne55
Park due up fifth in the bottom of the inning. If a rally gets started he's coming out. He's likely done regardless.
2008-07-10 20:27:48
115.   underdog
112 - Kuo and Wade.

111 - That's too bad. Not at all surprising, but sad. I'd given up on Murphy ever since I had to see Pluto Nash in a theater and wanted to stab at my own eyes.

2008-07-10 20:29:59
116.   Bob Timmermann
Ethan Martin featured on DiamondVision and gets warm applause.

The promotion for this involves finding a program signed by Andy LaRoche. If you find it, you take it to an usher and they take you to Joe Torre and you get to point out who Andy LaRoche is.

2008-07-10 20:30:49
117.   underdog
Now I know where I've seen Jason Johnson before -- he was one of the Other Darryls on "Newhart."
2008-07-10 20:30:59
118.   68elcamino427
You made me laugh.
2008-07-10 20:31:16
119.   Hallux Valgus
115 I had the same feeling. Meet Dave is the same concept as Coming To America, but Eddie spends the ENTIRE movie trying to look unemotional and makes faces worse that Jim Carey in Ace Ventura. Frankly, it's downright off putting to watch, and bordering on disturbing. I was genuinely creeped out.
2008-07-10 20:31:31
120.   Bob Timmermann
DiamondVision on Loney; "Has gone nine straight games without grounding into a double play."
2008-07-10 20:34:33
121.   underdog
C'mon, they need to make him worm a bit more at least so he gets that pitch count up.
2008-07-10 20:34:54
122.   underdog
Er, work, not worm. Though I suppose that could work, too.
2008-07-10 20:37:53
123.   underdog
Darn, we'll only get one inning out of Kuo, since the pitcher's spot comes up next.

Of course, that's assuming we get a full inning out of Kuo, as Cantu leads off with a single.

2008-07-10 20:39:59
124.   Johnny Nucleo
121 For that he might need a boom box, an old piece of cardboard and a crew of four guys in matching track suits.
2008-07-10 20:40:11
125.   tethier
I would hope Kuo hits for himself.
2008-07-10 20:41:15
126.   schoffle
I realize that Kuo can hit but it seems to me that was a good time for a double switch, if only we had someone else who could play 3rd base.

On an unrelated note I believe that Mr. DeWitt is now hitting less than .200 since June (a span of 101 ABs)

2008-07-10 20:41:22
127.   Greg Brock
Who in the world is going to tell stories like that when Vin is gone?
2008-07-10 20:42:23
128.   Fallout
113 whodat807
Maybe that is why I skip Bayless.
2008-07-10 20:42:35
129.   tethier
126 we do - you must have forgotten, Nomar is back. : )
2008-07-10 20:43:00
130.   Hallux Valgus
127 Rick Monday. "So there was this time... with a flag or something"
2008-07-10 20:43:16
131.   underdog
126 It's really hard, or rare, to pull a double switch that early unless the score is a blowout...

127 He even makes stories about grass interesting. Try that, Brennaman!

2008-07-10 20:43:53
132.   Greg Brock
129 I'm pretty sure we all Skip Bayless.
2008-07-10 20:44:00
133.   Hallux Valgus
130 my interweb skills didn't work at all. never mind. it wasn't funny enough to bother repeating.
2008-07-10 20:44:29
134.   Greg Brock
Bah, I was talking to 128.


2008-07-10 20:44:41
135.   Uncle Miltie
So who are these young players that are causing the team to underperform? Martin, Loney, Kemp, Ethier, Billingsley, Kuo?

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the performances of the proven veterans like Kent, Pierre, Penny, Jones, Proctor....

2008-07-10 20:44:49
136.   Bob Hendley
If I were Kent, I would be insulted (and thankful) that Wesley Sr. keeps taking the long route.
2008-07-10 20:45:33
137.   underdog
Yep, Kuo is batting for himself here.

C'mon, batflip, HCK!

2008-07-10 20:46:43
138.   underdog
Hah hah! Nice.
2008-07-10 20:47:39
139.   fracule
Ha! They got Kuoed
2008-07-10 20:49:01
140.   Icaros
If we could meet Frank McCourt again, I would be a lot less polite.

Picture George Costanza's interview with Steinbrenner.

"Hire this man!"

2008-07-10 20:49:40
141.   thinkblue88
WHAT THE?!?!? 790 dropped the game?!?! Im listening to Larry Elder?!?!?
2008-07-10 20:50:29
142.   underdog
C'mon Scruffy the Janitor!
2008-07-10 20:50:32
143.   fracule
Surely, a pundit ploy!!
2008-07-10 20:51:10
144.   fracule
Oops. I think I just broke a rule. Go Ethier.
2008-07-10 20:52:16
145.   Hallux Valgus
140 I approve this message
2008-07-10 20:52:52
146.   thinkblue88
KABC is destroying Rule 5,
2008-07-10 20:53:23
147.   underdog
Brian Bullington, who was drafted by the Pirates #1 ahead of such nobodies as B.J. Upton, Prince Fielder, Scott Kazmir, Nick Swisher and Cole Hamels, was picked up on waivers by the Indians today.
2008-07-10 20:53:29
148.   sporky
Hendrickson is warming up.
2008-07-10 20:53:55
149.   underdog
There's a Big Bird sighting in the bullpen!
2008-07-10 20:54:24
150.   underdog
Nice 10 pitch at bat by Ethier except for the result.
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2008-07-10 20:54:26
151.   Johnny Nucleo
Tough outcome, but a great at bat by Ethier.
2008-07-10 20:54:26
152.   Icaros
2008-07-10 20:55:29
153.   Greg Brock
147 The Pirates have done a splendid job taking care of their pitching prospects. All eight thousand of them.

An entire team of Generation K-like results.

2008-07-10 20:56:14
154.   Gagne55
147 Haha. I remember in Moneyball when he went #1 in the draft. That was almost as funny as the A's personell ripping on the picks of Fielder and Kazmir.
2008-07-10 20:56:30
155.   Greg Brock
Shaka Khan!
2008-07-10 20:57:03
156.   Hallux Valgus
I really wish that Vin didn't insist on being the same color as his jacket. And shirt. And tie.
2008-07-10 20:58:01
157.   Hallux Valgus
155 Chaka. C! I'm here to educate as well.
2008-07-10 21:00:13
158.   Icaros
Aw...I wanted Hendrickson.
2008-07-10 21:00:38
159.   Johnny Nucleo
Here's an obscure question. Once an at-bat gets up to the 10th pitch or so, do outcomes tend to favor the pitcher or the hitter?
2008-07-10 21:01:51
160.   Greg Brock
159 It's supposed to be the hitter, because you've seen all the pitcher's stuff.

Or so it is said.

2008-07-10 21:03:15
161.   whodat807
Woo, two Cal alums. Go Bears!

Also, I love the Pac-man sound effects that's played after strike-outs. Is that new?

2008-07-10 21:03:30
162.   Icaros
Kuo is a cold-blooded murderer.
2008-07-10 21:03:51
163.   Hallux Valgus
Derek Lowe would already be done with this nonsense.
2008-07-10 21:04:53
164.   Icaros
Um...why did he bat, then?
2008-07-10 21:05:42
165.   jujibee
I can't really say what it is...good luck, an itch maybe. I don't know, but Kuo sure touches his crotch a lot. I didn't really notice until tonight when I was watching the game and got the frontal shot. He must have an issue.
2008-07-10 21:05:56
166.   Hallux Valgus
eat it
2008-07-10 21:05:57
167.   natepurcell
Hustle Russell!
2008-07-10 21:05:58
168.   sporky
2008-07-10 21:05:58
169.   Icaros
Muscle Martin!
2008-07-10 21:06:11
170.   nick
tell mama!
2008-07-10 21:06:12
171.   Greg Brock
Hey everybody, it's a Golden God on the field!
2008-07-10 21:06:13
172.   68elcamino427
Martin Bomb!
2008-07-10 21:06:15
173.   thinkblue88
golden god power
2008-07-10 21:06:55
174.   underdog

I knew they would regret leaving Johnson in there. And so they shall!

2008-07-10 21:06:58
175.   Hallux Valgus
"The Dodgers don't usually get a lot of runs on their home runs..."


2008-07-10 21:07:23
176.   whodat807
I love that swing.
2008-07-10 21:07:27
177.   Hallux Valgus
174 except Johnson wasn't in there.
2008-07-10 21:07:40
178.   underdog
Oh wait, he's not even in there anymore. What the...? I came to the start of the inning late, obviously.
2008-07-10 21:08:16
179.   jujibee
177. Thank God. I thought I missed the pitching change.
2008-07-10 21:08:20
180.   Icaros
That's why I asked why he batted in 164 .
2008-07-10 21:10:33
181.   natepurcell
You're better than that James. Stop swinging at crud.
2008-07-10 21:11:22
182.   LoneStar7
darn wild bird, wild swings
2008-07-10 21:11:58
183.   jujibee
Has anyone else had a problem with the toaster loading in a timely fasion? For the past few days, I thought there was something wrong with my computer/router/service, but tonight the toaster loads instantly. Weird.
2008-07-10 21:13:23
184.   Greg Brock
181 Dude, when did you start capitalizing stuff?
2008-07-10 21:13:32
185.   underdog
I'm disappointed we won't get a Big Bird start this weekend, though knowing how those things sometimes go he'd probably shut the Dodgers out or something.
2008-07-10 21:14:12
186.   Gagne55
183 No problems here.
2008-07-10 21:15:11
187.   Icaros

Yeah, good notice. What's the deal?

2008-07-10 21:15:38
188.   sporky
Sweeney is 2 for 4 tonight.
2008-07-10 21:15:46
189.   natepurcell

I graduated college. I have to type like a grown-up now.

2008-07-10 21:16:45
190.   natepurcell
Hanely Ramirez is a Platinum God.
2008-07-10 21:16:54
191.   silverwidow
HanRam might be the best player in the world.
2008-07-10 21:17:23
192.   underdog
The Dodgers need to just start IBB Hanley every time now.
2008-07-10 21:17:39
193.   Icaros

Now why would you want to go and do a thing like graduate college?

2008-07-10 21:18:16
194.   underdog
190 Uh, We've Created a Monster.
2008-07-10 21:18:35
195.   Greg Brock
Our little Nate is all growns up.

And he growns up and he growns up.

2008-07-10 21:20:03
196.   jujibee
Where did that miss?
2008-07-10 21:20:19
197.   natepurcell

I honestly ask myself that every morning that I wake up.

Kuo slaughters every known mortal. Kuo can't slaughter HanRam. Conclusion...

HanRam is a deity.

2008-07-10 21:21:09
198.   Hallux Valgus
189 I did that once. Totally not worth it.
2008-07-10 21:21:15
199.   underdog
Cantu Barata Nikto!
2008-07-10 21:22:05
200.   Icaros

It'll feel that way for the first five or so years, then it'll get better. Then you'll miss it again.

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2008-07-10 21:22:21
201.   underdog
198 - I did that twice! But look at me now.

Totally not worth it.

I spell pretty, though.

2008-07-10 21:24:02
202.   underdog
Heh. Vin just said "Uggla has a very simple mind..."
2008-07-10 21:24:45
203.   sporky
202 The SI profile on him also makes him sound like a neanderthal with a bat.
2008-07-10 21:25:05
204.   Icaros

Vin is just referencing one of his favorite 80s groups.

2008-07-10 21:25:22
205.   LoneStar7
uh oh
2008-07-10 21:26:01
206.   Icaros
You have two strikes on him. Why not go for the K?
2008-07-10 21:26:45
207.   sporky
McDonald went 6 innings and gave up 1 earned run on 5 hits. He had 3 K and 3 BB.
2008-07-10 21:27:07
208.   natepurcell
Oh funny story while I was at the game yesterday.

Around the 6th inning or so, a young guy behinds me taps me on my shoulder and asks, "So, what's going on August 16th?"

At first, I was really confused and then he pointed to his phone where he has up on his browser. Then I remembered I was wearing my DT shirt.

Then he says, "So are you Jon Weisman?"


2008-07-10 21:27:33
209.   Greg Brock
I'm just a second baseman. Some of your scientists found me in some ice and thawed me out. I get a fax and I say "Are there little demons in this box sending me messages?" My simple mind can't grasp these concepts.

But I can rake the hell out of the ball. Thank you.

2008-07-10 21:27:35
210.   LoneStar7
206 i was thinking that too
2008-07-10 21:27:44
211.   jujibee
What the heck does Honeycut tell these pitchers. Do they even speak english? Maybe he speaks taiwanese, Spanish, Korean, Japanese...etc. What a talent.
2008-07-10 21:28:33
212.   natepurcell
Now Kent will hit a homerun.
2008-07-10 21:28:35
213.   Andrew Shimmin
Uh oh. Hope the rose bush didn't break his hip.
2008-07-10 21:28:42
214.   jujibee
That 1 mil signing bonus we gave to Kuo is paying off and then some. It was just 1 mil and some medical expenses later, right?
2008-07-10 21:28:42
215.   Icaros
Someone get him a wheelchair and catheter.
2008-07-10 21:28:50
216.   silverwidow
Six lines into Plaschke's latest, it sounds like Ned is good as gone.
2008-07-10 21:29:14
217.   underdog
Some people will do anything to try to force themselves onto "Web Gems."
2008-07-10 21:30:13
218.   Icaros

"We find the defendant innocent, your honor."

I miss Hartman.

2008-07-10 21:30:52
219.   Icaros

And Matt Kemp.

2008-07-10 21:30:56
220.   underdog
209 Heh. Maybe they should spin off a sitcom about him. Neanderthals funny. Make dog laugh.
2008-07-10 21:31:18
221.   Lexinthedena
"C'mon kid shape up!"
2008-07-10 21:31:27
222.   Andrew Shimmin
Plaschke calling for his head is about the only thing on earth that could make me pull for Colletti to keep his job.

That, or a big bribe.

2008-07-10 21:31:48
223.   LoneStar7
i thought his latest was that article on elton this online somewhere 216
2008-07-10 21:31:59
224.   underdog
This pitcher went to "Rick's Junior College," according to Vin. Is that fully accredited?
2008-07-10 21:32:15
225.   natepurcell
Nice line drive Blakey Pooo.
2008-07-10 21:32:22
226.   Greg Brock
Plaschke can come out and say Matt Kemp now.

These aren't subtle points he's making.

2008-07-10 21:32:41
227.   68elcamino427
#33 - Line Drive.
2008-07-10 21:32:45
228.   Icaros
An example of Dodger Stadium suppressing doubles.
2008-07-10 21:32:58
229.   Andrew Shimmin
223- (NSFW; this is Plaschke, after all)
2008-07-10 21:34:01
230.   underdog
I wish Plaschke was the one as good as gone.

But he does have an award.

An award in a box.

Where his head should be.

Like the end of Barton Fink.

A head and an award in a box.

2008-07-10 21:35:10
231.   KG16
Ok, y'all convinced me to read the Bald One's latest. I hate to ask this, but when have the Dodgers ever really had a "tradition of winning"? Other than the 70s when they went to a bunch of World Series' and the 80s when they won two, when have the Dodgers been "winners"? This is the franchise that gave the world "Wait 'til next year!" That's the cry of a team use to coming in second.
2008-07-10 21:35:18
232.   Icaros
That Plaschke article is uber scary. And depressing.
2008-07-10 21:36:10
233.   natepurcell
I really don't understand how everyone in the LA media can blatantly ignore that the veterans should be held accountable for sucking/being injured/sucking while playing injured.

This is getting really old. It is like a big, Illuminati size conspiracy against the young players ranging from Ken Rosenthal to Frank McCourt.

2008-07-10 21:36:31
234.   Hallux Valgus
224 I went there as well. You can get an associate degree, an oil change, and a side of beef for less that you'd think. And those credits transfer to Dave's House of Grits, Chicken, and Learnin' if you want to further your education. You can be done in 3 months!
2008-07-10 21:36:33
235.   underdog
Stop reading Plaschke people! Didn't you learn anything in college?
2008-07-10 21:37:08
236.   LoneStar7
229 i got a page not found, i searched and the msot recent for me was that truth hurts for elton or whatever it was
2008-07-10 21:37:31
237.   underdog
234 Mmmmm! That's some good learnin' and good eatin'!
2008-07-10 21:38:02
238.   Icaros

Seriously. The whole thing is just making me hate the world because everyone in it is stupid and evil.

Being an election year is helping, too.

2008-07-10 21:38:18
239.   underdog
Man, he throws gas.
2008-07-10 21:38:43
240.   Hallux Valgus
233 the problem in your question is the word "how."

"How" is not the issue. forever.

2008-07-10 21:39:02
241.   natepurcell
That's not going to help Matt's case.
2008-07-10 21:39:13
242.   LoneStar7
although that was fast, i just knew matty was swinging on whatever came his way there
2008-07-10 21:39:18
243.   underdog
Tough, tough pitcher. Ah well.

Only 100mph on that last one.

2008-07-10 21:40:13
244.   Hallux Valgus
238 also ugly.
2008-07-10 21:40:27
245.   Icaros
Yeah, Matt should've grounded out to second like Nomar did. We'd still be batting, right?
2008-07-10 21:40:32
246.   Andrew Shimmin
Plaschke calling (implicitly) Colletti a rat is pretty tasty. I wonder if Veteran Scribe Tony Jackson would be willing to rule Flanders out as the source.
2008-07-10 21:40:58
247.   underdog
233 Keep in mind that a lot of these journalists are sort of old schoolers who probably feel threatened by younger writers and new technology and other things that may put a way to their way of life, or something along those lines. There may be some transferring of feelings onto ball players on very simplistic terms.

Either that or they're just a bunch of jerks.

2008-07-10 21:41:51
248.   underdog
An end, not a way. Well, you knew what I meant.
2008-07-10 21:41:53
249.   nick
Vlad hits that pitch out to the opposite field, but no other humans should swing at it...
2008-07-10 21:42:11
250.   schoffle
Strike 2 to Matt was low, but umpires don't seem to notice that he tall and he never gets that call his way
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2008-07-10 21:42:17
251.   Hallux Valgus
237 I see you're familiar with our Class of '09 Matchbook Cover Campaign.
2008-07-10 21:42:39
252.   Greg Brock
The four best hitters on the team are young.

I just like to say this from time to time, especially to a group of like-minded individuals who are equally powerless to stop this crap.

Let's all have a little primal scream right now.


Thank you

2008-07-10 21:42:52
253.   Icaros
Maybe McCourt could let Ned know he's fired by putting Ned's likeness in the front row of the fabled statue of fans.
2008-07-10 21:42:54
254.   natepurcell

I love that "Veteran Scribe" tidbit.

It's like, "Oh, he's a Vet...of course he is right...unlike that trashcan moving Diamond Leung."

2008-07-10 21:43:46
255.   underdog
Old friends left and right this inning. Cody Ross on first and LuGo on deck.
2008-07-10 21:44:40
256.   StolenMonkey86
233 - The same way that smart managers can play the percentages without actually looking at numbers.
2008-07-10 21:44:48
257.   Greg Brock
255 Like bookends.
2008-07-10 21:45:04
258.   underdog
Speaking of PVL, here's Primo Donna.
2008-07-10 21:45:04
259.   Icaros
Hit him in the beak, Broxton.
2008-07-10 21:45:30
260.   Eric Stephen
Then he says, "So are you Jon Weisman?"

The only two acceptable answers to that are:

1) "Yes"
2) "No, I'm Andrew Shimmin"

Nate, was the guy a lurker, or did he give up his screen name?

2008-07-10 21:46:01
261.   Greg Brock
Whoa, watch your lips Berroa. PVL McGee really scorched that one.

I dislike that person.

2008-07-10 21:46:47
262.   Lexinthedena
252 That second line is indicative of why DT has become a microcosm of pretty much life.
2008-07-10 21:47:18
263.   Icaros
By the way, I met Coby Karl at LAX today. He's still at the stage where it makes him feel good to be recognized in public. Nice kid.
2008-07-10 21:47:32
264.   natepurcell
If McCourt killed a trade that potentially had Kemp and others going for CC and others, wouldn't actions speak louder than words?

Meaning, he sees the value in Kemp and all this talk is just trying to light a fire under him?

OTOH re: Colletti, if he killed a trade that Colletti engineered, then again, actions speak louder than words ("We both agreed it was bad" etc).

Colletti is probably gone at the end of the year.

2008-07-10 21:48:44
265.   natepurcell
Nate, was the guy a lurker, or did he give up his screen name?

No, he saw the url on the back of my shirt and just went to the site. He said it was his first time. I told him it's the best Dodgers site on the internet!

2008-07-10 21:49:38
266.   adrian beltre
does the plaschke article mean that colletti is on his way out and that whoever replaces him will be told to trade matt kemp? is that even possible?
2008-07-10 21:49:48
267.   Hallux Valgus
260 I've got a way better answer to 206
"Why not go for the K?"
"Because I'm Andrew Shimmin."

...wait, what?

2008-07-10 21:49:50
268.   Eric Stephen
It's going to be tough for Ethier to do restaurant reviews for "Dining With 'Dre" when fine establishments won't let him dine due to pour facial hair.
2008-07-10 21:50:11
269.   immouch
okay, dodgers, here's the deal: if you trade kemp for magic beans or whatever, and if you do it because you don't like his attitude, and if you then refuse to say anything more specific about it than that, i'm a goner. no more ticket buying. no more scoreboard watching. no more hat wearing, t-shirt ripping, newspaper reading, child pro-dodger propagandizing; no more trying to rhyme "dodgers" with anything other than "codgers" in my next country tune. nothing. got that? don't trade kemp, at age 23, because he supposedly doesn't listen as well as you'd like or doesn't make the pouty/cranky face when he whiffs. oh, and by the way, ned needs to get the fax of doom from mrs. mccourt. thanks. i feel better now.
2008-07-10 21:51:25
270.   kinbote
Martin with his smeared eyeblack resembles the Heath Ledger Joker.
2008-07-10 21:51:46
271.   Eric Stephen
Ha! I guess "Because I'm Andrew Shimmin" is workable in most situations. It's even better if you say it like Keith Hernandez.
2008-07-10 21:52:09
272.   Lexinthedena
So am I late on commenting about Dre's vato loco facial hair?......Did Larry Bowa tell him that power hitters aren't supposed to be so pretty?
2008-07-10 21:52:19
273.   KG16
264 - If McCourt fires Colletti after the season, who in the world is going to want the job? It will be, what, 3 GMs in 5 or 6 years?

Particularly given the nature of baseball organizations, it takes a couple of years to implement a system and see results. It's not like football or basketball where you can build very quickly through the draft and free agency.

Plus, I don't think it speaks well of ownership to go through so many GMs and on-field managers in such a short time. At some point, the chaos buck has to stop with McCourt.

2008-07-10 21:52:24
274.   Eric Stephen
HanRam giveth; he taketh away!
2008-07-10 21:52:41
275.   Icaros

Yes, replace Paul DePodesta with Ned Colletti and Milton Bradley with Matt Kemp. It's how McCourt jumps in his new GMs.

2008-07-10 21:53:14
276.   Eric Stephen
Logical choices would be Ng, White, or Cashman (if available).
2008-07-10 21:53:25
277.   immouch
did vin just say that the marlins got pinto for pierre at one time? can you imagine how great that would be?
2008-07-10 21:53:34
278.   StolenMonkey86
Plaschke said the Rays should trade their kids. I don't think you can take the man seriously, unless you're trying to make yourself cry.
2008-07-10 21:53:48
279.   natepurcell

If the Dodgers are hitching their wagon to the youngsters, rightfully, they should put in charge the person that knows the youngsters the best....Logan White.

2008-07-10 21:53:54
280.   Andrew Shimmin
If I go to the DT picnic, I'm going to introduce myself as Bob. I want to know what it's like for somebody to be happy to meet me. And, you know, to see someone not reach back to make sure his wallet is still there, while shaking my hand.
2008-07-10 21:54:11
281.   Greg Brock
Being the owner means the buck never has to stop with you.

And I assume Ng or White would get the GM job.

2008-07-10 21:54:36
282.   StolenMonkey86
274 - HanRam must be a silver god then - Martin appears to be a heavier metal.
2008-07-10 21:55:05
283.   tjdub
If I was a public figure and some hack made so many inferences from things I did not say, nothing would make me happier than to publicly refute every point, even if by sheer dumb luck a few of them were true. Would you just love it if McCourt came out tomorrow and said something to the effect of, "Plaschke's an idiot. Let me be clear. We're a .500 team which means we need to improve. Many of our important players are young, so they still have a lot to learn. We don't care for losing so they either have to learn fast or be subject to change." I don't think any of those quotes are anything more than typical cliche'd responses meant to reveal nothing.
2008-07-10 21:55:13
284.   natepurcell

Marlins got Nolasco, Pinto and Sergio Mitre for Pierre.


2008-07-10 21:55:17
285.   StolenMonkey86
281 - Or Dave Littlefield or Bill Bavasi.
2008-07-10 21:55:19
286.   Icaros

If I end up going, nobody who lives closer than me has an excuse not to be there.

2008-07-10 21:55:55
287.   Bluebleeder87
oh gawd!

spare your self the grief & don't ever EVER by a windows vista computer, oh man...

having trouble downloading some updates.

2008-07-10 21:56:05
288.   Eric Stephen
Maybe we can get Eric Byrnes to join us at the DT picnic.

You know, since he won't be busy or anything.

2008-07-10 21:56:07
289.   Greg Brock
I hear Cam Bonifay is available.
2008-07-10 21:56:26
290.   Hallux Valgus
273 I suspect that if it wasn't White, or Ng or Watson, then you would see a rapid crumbling of the organization (and a record breaking DT thread).
2008-07-10 21:57:01
291.   D4P
If McCourt fires Colletti after the season, who in the world is going to want the job?

Someone who wants to get paid a lot of money to play fantasy baseball, but with real players and such.

2008-07-10 21:57:04
292.   Eric Stephen
Is it wrong that I don't want you to go, so I can be the one traveling the longest distance? :)
2008-07-10 21:57:14
293.   blutomania
I don't understand how you don't send Martin in this situation.
2008-07-10 21:57:52
294.   Icaros

Want to pay me off so you can have the record?

2008-07-10 21:57:52
295.   KG16
276 - don't get me wrong, if there's an opening, I'll submit my resume, but that's mainly because I don't like having a gig for more than a year or two as it is. But for those who would be serious considerations, why would anyone want to take a job where ownership was so dysfunctional?
2008-07-10 21:58:03
296.   Bluebleeder87
so your gonna make in Icaros or what? try & make it bro it's gonna be fun, plus we'll play softball or wiffleball, I wish we could play actual baseball though.
2008-07-10 21:58:15
297.   blutomania
Never mind.
2008-07-10 21:58:21
298.   natepurcell
If the Dodgers GM spot opens up, I'll send in my resume.

Can I get some letters of rec from the DT community?

2008-07-10 21:59:13
299.   Greg Brock
Charendon is going to fly in from France just to spite you guys on picnic day.
2008-07-10 21:59:39
300.   Hallux Valgus
286 I promise you that I won't go, and my excuse is: I don't like people or places or things.
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2008-07-10 21:59:49
301.   Greg Brock
298 I assumed you already put a letter out to every MLB team.

You should.

2008-07-10 21:59:57
302.   dianagramr
Will Pinto make the all "bean" team? ...

Jose Lima
Shawn Green
Daryl Boston (Baked)

2008-07-10 22:00:40
303.   68elcamino427
# 7 Loney nice at bat.
2008-07-10 22:00:50
304.   Bluebleeder87

nicely said KG16...

2008-07-10 22:01:08
305.   Indiana Jon
If McCourt fires Colletti after the season, who in the world is going to want the job?

I'll give it a shot.

2008-07-10 22:01:23
306.   Lexinthedena
298 I'll send in a good letter, as long as you continue to post here after you get the job, and run all possible moves by us first.
2008-07-10 22:01:37
307.   underdog
Andruw Alert!
2008-07-10 22:01:47
309.   StolenMonkey86
286 - If SamDC goes, does that mean I lose my excuse not to go?
2008-07-10 22:02:01
310.   Eric Stephen
Nah, it would be a hollow record.

Is anyone planning on going to the game against the Brewers the night of August 16? Or will everyone follow as Nate's posse for a night of debauchery?

2008-07-10 22:02:19
311.   KG16
Ok, if Ned gets fired, I think we need to have a vote for one person here to submit their resume (no voting for yourself) and then everyone else campaign for that person to get the job.
2008-07-10 22:02:30
312.   Greg Brock
A three run jack would go a long way toward rehabilitating your image, Jones.
2008-07-10 22:02:51
313.   Icaros

I have no doubt it will be fun. It's even to the point now that many of the people there won't be internet strangers, but actual friendly acquaintances.

But I hate traveling. It's lonely.

2008-07-10 22:03:24
314.   KG16
Is anyone planning on going to the game against the Brewers the night of August 16? Or will everyone follow as Nate's posse for a night of debauchery?

Can't it be both?

2008-07-10 22:03:43
315.   Xeifrank
Maybe Jones can get on on a dropped 3rd strike. vr, Xei
2008-07-10 22:04:03
316.   dzzrtRatt
I love McCourt's characterization of some young players who "won't last here." As if the Dodgers are some high-achieving organization where mediocrity isn't tolerated. Right. And as if there are some slacker teams out there where the other "type" of player would thrive.

If it's true (which I doubt) that Kemp has a poor attitude and "won't succeed here," and would be a good trade candidate, why is Mr. Excellence in Ownershipping wrecking his trade value by calling attention to it?

It's one thing to be a Steinbrenner, bullying players you're paying millions of dollars. Unpleasant, but the players involved should be able to handle it. But what kind of crappy boss publicly criticizes his minimum-wage workers?

The PVL theory says that PVLs should provide "leadership." That's one of the reasons they're worth so much money, one of the reason they're played ahead of younger guys. Apparently, their leadership skills are lacking, given the team's record until recently. If McCourt had any nads, he'd be calling our PVLs out. Jump down Jeff Kent's throat, or Brad Penny's, or Andruw Jones for gosh sakes. But he won't do that; their agents will yell at him. What a coward.

Ridiculous. McCourt is the Donald Trump of baseball owners. Except no one would buy McCourt's book.

2008-07-10 22:05:10
317.   Indiana Jon
311 Most of you guys don't need that job like I do. The weather is so much nicer out there.
2008-07-10 22:05:12
318.   Eric Stephen
Way to go, FSN. Drown out the music for a moment to hear the boos.
2008-07-10 22:05:13
319.   underdog
313 I'd go with you, man, if I wasn't already scheduled to be getting altitude sickness in the Sierras that weekend, and possibly reenacting the Donner Party.
2008-07-10 22:05:21
320.   Hallux Valgus
312 Steve Lyons announced last night that a hard slide rehabilitated his image...

...and there it goes again.

2008-07-10 22:05:40
321.   Greg Brock
A DT pub crawl would be a hoot.
2008-07-10 22:05:49
322.   Bluebleeder87

you got my full endorsement compadre!

2008-07-10 22:06:42
323.   Eric Stephen
An even more egregious error by FSN. In their ad for a summer of LA highlights, they show Magic's baby sky hook with the note "Lakers vs. Celtics 1984 NBA Finals".

I need to be a fact checker on these items. Just embarrassing.

2008-07-10 22:06:52
324.   underdog
Actually, I have the perfect candidate for the next Dodgers' GM. You guys should just not bother.

2008-07-10 22:07:12
325.   Gagne55
318 Is Jones getting booed for striking out again?
2008-07-10 22:07:52
326.   Bluebleeder87

well if they're gonna twist my arm... :o)

2008-07-10 22:08:23
327.   KG16
324 - he'll be too busy being president.
2008-07-10 22:08:24
328.   underdog
Holy Jeebus! We got Hanley Ramirez out.
2008-07-10 22:08:36
329.   Gagne55
Ramierez made an out???
2008-07-10 22:08:38
330.   StolenMonkey86
316 - It should be noted this is a different Frank McCourt.

2008-07-10 22:08:45
331.   Indiana Jon
324 No way, he doesn't have a sweet bike or a mustache.
2008-07-10 22:09:29
332.   Icaros

Well, that'll have its charm, too.

2008-07-10 22:09:53
333.   Eric Stephen
Does Maza bat in the 9th, or would Torre pinch hit LaRoche (and stick him at 2B)? I'm assuming Nomar will pinch hit for Berroa.

My prediction: if LaRoche bats this evening, he hits a HR.

2008-07-10 22:09:59
334.   underdog
331 But he eats paste! He's already smarter than our current Generalissimo Mgr.
2008-07-10 22:10:40
335.   underdog
Berroa's actually played some good SS tonight.
2008-07-10 22:10:45
336.   Eric Stephen
I'm thinking of growing a Giambino-esque mustache just for DT Day.
2008-07-10 22:10:46
337.   Hallux Valgus
321 that wouldn't be as awful, because I hate people a lot less the longer the crawling.
2008-07-10 22:11:01
338.   underdog
333 - Nomar's already PH, alas.
2008-07-10 22:11:03
339.   Gagne55
Alright bottom of the ninth. DeWitt, Berroa, Maza. Looks like this ones going extras.
2008-07-10 22:11:33
340.   Eric Stephen
That's what I get for getting home late!
2008-07-10 22:11:38
341.   Icaros

His cat's name is Mittens.

2008-07-10 22:11:53
342.   KG16
321 - I'd be down for a pub crawl
2008-07-10 22:11:53
343.   underdog
339 - Can't we fit LaRoche in there somewhere?
2008-07-10 22:11:59
344.   Neal Pollack
A. Great game.

B. I just read Plaschke's column and I'm absolutely sick to my stomach. Are they really thinking about trading away the team co-leader in RBIs, a guy who could still be a 20-20 man this season, because he doesn't "play the game the right way"?


2008-07-10 22:12:28
345.   underdog
341 - Whose breath smells like cat food.
2008-07-10 22:12:50
346.   Eric Stephen
So LaRoche could pinch hit for Berroa OR Maza, with the remaining middle infielder playing SS (and LaRoche at 2B). But LaRoche will HR, so no need to worry about defense. :)
2008-07-10 22:13:27
347.   Eric Stephen
Plaschke's article tastes like hurtie.
2008-07-10 22:13:49
348.   Bluebleeder87
we must win this OT affair.
2008-07-10 22:14:03
349.   underdog
You guys would suffer so much less if you would simply just not read Plaschke.
2008-07-10 22:14:40
350.   Hallux Valgus
344 only when Plaschke is named Archduke of Trades
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2008-07-10 22:15:24
351.   Greg Brock
There is something charming about a baseball player with a ridiculously fat chew in.

Retro ballplayerism.

2008-07-10 22:16:18
352.   Bluebleeder87
321 342

not to self, stay away from Brock & KG16

2008-07-10 22:16:33
353.   underdog
Ugh. Blade has to take a seat.
2008-07-10 22:16:43
354.   KG16
well, so much for pinch hitting with LaRoche here
2008-07-10 22:17:04
355.   natepurcell
Maza gets priority over Laroche?


2008-07-10 22:18:16
356.   KG16
Valley Fever?

I didn't know you could get sick going to the Valley. I often suspected it, but I didn't know.

2008-07-10 22:18:29
357.   Xeifrank
on to penalty kicks!
vr, Xei
2008-07-10 22:18:29
358.   underdog
Free baseball!

And I still have work to do. Feh.

2008-07-10 22:18:49
359.   Greg Brock
Maybe Matt Kemp needs to stop sneaking dips, and throw a gigantic mound of Beech Nut into his cheek.

Plaschke would probably love that. Ballplayers do that.

2008-07-10 22:19:26
360.   KG16
352 - I'd put the over/under on someone getting thrown through a window at 11:15 pm
2008-07-10 22:19:41
361.   Bluebleeder87
354 355

little glimpse into how Torre's mind works. sigh.

2008-07-10 22:19:56
362.   underdog
Yeah what the heck is Valley Fever?

Is that like the smoggy version of Dengue Fever?


I think Maza was already in on defense so he kind of had to bat, though I guess they could have pinch hit LaRoche for one of those guys and then gone in to play 2nd or 3rd. But at least we know we have him in the arsenal still!

2008-07-10 22:20:16
363.   silverwidow
If Ng/White doesn't get the job, it really should go to a hardcore stats guy.
2008-07-10 22:20:30
364.   Icaros
I want to know what Torre tells Matt Kemp to do that he doesn't do.
2008-07-10 22:21:04
365.   whodat807
359 That's all dependent on if he chews dip the right way.
2008-07-10 22:21:12
366.   Greg Brock
362 It's a fungus in the soil. A lot of people in the San Joaquin Valley get it.

I never did, thank the stars.

2008-07-10 22:22:54
367.   KG16
361 - I suppose there's some reason to it, assuming LaRoche doesn't get on (likely), then you have one less player to pinch hit for the pitcher later.
2008-07-10 22:23:00
368.   Bluebleeder87
you gotta wonder how the Marlins do in extra innings, I'm to lazy to check.
2008-07-10 22:23:37
369.   tjdub
364 Whatever Jeter did to get to stay at SS. Whatever Bernie did to stay in CF. Maybe we don't want to know :)
2008-07-10 22:24:57
370.   underdog
366 - Ah. I see. I thought perhaps it was some sort of venereal disease common at Rick's Junior College, but I stand corrected.
2008-07-10 22:26:29
371.   Bluebleeder87
I didn't realize Cody Ross's nick was Toy Cannon.


2008-07-10 22:27:07
372.   Icaros
Look at Cody Ross's numbers. We didn't even get a pack of gum for a guy with 15 first-half HRs.
2008-07-10 22:27:50
373.   dzzrtRatt
Cody Ross' gameday picture makes him look like the young Don Rickles.
2008-07-10 22:28:56
374.   underdog
372 - And a grand slam and three run homer in the same game for the Dodgers! And we let him go. Grrrr.
2008-07-10 22:29:03
375.   Lexinthedena
373 "You've got the personality of a dead moth"
2008-07-10 22:29:31
376.   Gagne55
372 It's pretty empty homers. He's an all or nothing kinda guy.
2008-07-10 22:29:51
377.   Greg Brock
Wow, Robert Downey Jr. is going to play Sherlock Holmes.

I like it!

2008-07-10 22:30:34
378.   KG16
377 - yeah, but who's going to be Watson and Moriarti?
2008-07-10 22:30:53
379.   Lexinthedena
376 All he does is kill rallies.
2008-07-10 22:31:17
380.   Gagne55
Ross did revive my fantasy team once though by hitting 3 homers in a game. I picked him up the night before real cheap hearing he'd be in the line-up at PNC since mediocre players have a tendency to have big games at PNC.
2008-07-10 22:31:55
381.   Eric Stephen
Marlins are 4-5 in extras this year.

Dodgers are 4-3.

2008-07-10 22:31:56
382.   Bluebleeder87
Ross either hits 'em out or strikes out, & I have the numbers to prove it.
2008-07-10 22:32:41
383.   Eric Stephen
Anyone who names one of their pitches "The Vulcan" is alright by me.
2008-07-10 22:32:49
384.   tjdub
370 One is not allowed to do anything that would result in such a malady at Ricks Junior College (now BYU Idaho)
2008-07-10 22:33:30
385.   Gagne55
I really don't see why there is so much ire now about letting Ross go. Yeah, maybe, Ledee should have been released first but it wasn't that big a deal. He was the 6th outfielder at the time and out of options. and that was before Ethier came up.
2008-07-10 22:33:49
386.   Greg Brock
Gagne threw a vulcan changeup.
2008-07-10 22:34:05
387.   Bluebleeder87
Russell has a nice chance of hitting 20+ dingers, yes!
2008-07-10 22:35:01
388.   Gagne55
386 I find that highly illogical.
2008-07-10 22:35:33
389.   Bluebleeder87
alright, La Roche!
2008-07-10 22:35:36
390.   KG16
heh. That's the first time I've seen Andre's new facial hair alignment.

He must be getting ready for the arrival of the new hitting coach.

2008-07-10 22:36:04
391.   underdog
LaRoche is on deck.
2008-07-10 22:36:05
392.   thinkblue88
2008-07-10 22:36:11
393.   Icaros
.263/.328/.507 .835 is Cody Ross's career line. We gave him up for nothing, and he would be one of the most productive hitters on the team for no money.

You can OBP low as long as you slug .500. Also he's 27 and can even play CF.

2008-07-10 22:36:18
394.   Eric Stephen
Game Over.

"You're the best...around!"

2008-07-10 22:36:33
395.   MonkeyBlue
This has to be the inning!
2008-07-10 22:36:34
396.   Bluebleeder87
I'm wondering to my self if La Roche really likes the movie or the song?
2008-07-10 22:36:46
397.   Greg Brock
That's not a strike.
2008-07-10 22:36:55
398.   MonkeyBlue
Heh, I really like Andy music.
2008-07-10 22:37:45
399.   Eric Stephen
Well, damn.
2008-07-10 22:37:47
400.   MonkeyBlue
Oh Andy.
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2008-07-10 22:37:49
401.   underdog
385 - I think it's just that, Ledee should have been the one. But I'm sure a lot of it is retroactive ire.
2008-07-10 22:37:56
402.   Greg Brock
God that's a dirty pitch.
2008-07-10 22:37:59
403.   Andrew Shimmin
Ben Kozlowski isn't nothing. He actually exists; he must be made of something.
2008-07-10 22:38:27
404.   Bluebleeder87
that change-up just isn't fair when you havent seen sufficient pitching in a few days.
2008-07-10 22:38:34
405.   underdog
{in Floyd the Barber voice} Ooohhh, Andy... {sigh}
2008-07-10 22:39:10
406.   Gagne55
So umm... what is so exciting about LaRoche again?
2008-07-10 22:39:36
407.   Greg Brock
405 I was thinking Manilow.

Oh Andy
You came and you swung without raking
And Joe locked you away

Oh Andy

2008-07-10 22:39:54
408.   underdog
Whoa! My alma mater was just mentioned by Vin Scully! An SFSU shout out. Now we're at least as good as Rick's JC.
2008-07-10 22:40:55
409.   GoBears
388 I find that highly illogical.

You know, it never occurred to me until you wrote this, but "Highly illogical," which Spock did say, is kinda illogical.

I mean, either something is logical or it's illogical. There aren't level of illogic. That's like saying something is "very unique."

Spock should have known better. I guess Vulcans don't get irony.

2008-07-10 22:40:56
410.   KG16
On both of LaRoche's swings, he looked like he was swinging for the fences, all he needed to do was put it in play. That's more frustrating than the result.
2008-07-10 22:41:06
411.   underdog
407 - Hah hah. Even better.
2008-07-10 22:41:41
412.   Icaros
It's tough when you only get one at-bat a night. Ask Mark Sweeney, and he knows how the game is played.
2008-07-10 22:41:51
413.   Bluebleeder87
I don't know what to make up Ethiers stash...
2008-07-10 22:42:30
414.   underdog
It's got to be hard for Andy to come off the bench and face some nasty pitches after rusting on the bench for a few days. He should get some starts.
2008-07-10 22:43:17
415.   MonkeyBlue
2008-07-10 22:43:30
416.   Greg Brock
406 I'd venture there are very few prospects with his bona fides who have been jerked around with respect to playing time like LaRoche.

But this conversation bores me and everybody else. Just give him 400 AB's to see what he is. That's all anybody wants.

2008-07-10 22:43:39
417.   GoBears
Lots of free baseball tonight. 5 extra-inning games.
2008-07-10 22:43:42
418.   Andrew Shimmin
413- I'd make it a detail brush in a shoe shine kit.
2008-07-10 22:43:45
419.   underdog
2008-07-10 22:43:49
420.   Eric Stephen
Cue more Star Trek references with the new pitcher.
2008-07-10 22:43:54
421.   KG16
414 - yeah, it'd be nice to see him get some starts.
2008-07-10 22:44:10
422.   Neal Pollack
I was just saying to myself, "self, if Loney doesn't get a hit here, then Torre is going to bring in Falkenborg, who will give up two runs and the Dodgers will lose."

Hopefully, only part one of my prophecy will come true.

2008-07-10 22:45:10
423.   KG16
420 - you know what the Dodgers need? They need a Klingon on their roster.
2008-07-10 22:46:17
424.   Eric Stephen
Vin seems to have some trouble with the name Amezaga.
2008-07-10 22:46:23
425.   Bluebleeder87

I'll come up with a musical reference better.

"The Folk explosion"

2008-07-10 22:46:34
426.   max power
Plaschke's article doesn't seem to be available online anymore. Do I owe somebody here a drink?
2008-07-10 22:47:17
427.   Eric Stephen
I'd settle for a Khan just so I could yell to the sky if he ever performed badly. It's way more fun than booing.
2008-07-10 22:47:32
428.   KG16
426 - I'm still seeing it. got bumped down because the Angels won
2008-07-10 22:47:40
429.   max power
425 I sure hope it is more Explosion than Implosion.
2008-07-10 22:47:40
430.   underdog
So we've gone from Vulcans to the Borg.
2008-07-10 22:47:42
431.   Neal Pollack
I hope the Dodgers live long and prosper.
2008-07-10 22:47:59
432.   Bluebleeder87
coaches always say the first out is the most important one...
2008-07-10 22:48:10
433.   KG16
427 - if I get the GM job, there will be a Khan on the team, that's my promise to all the voters
2008-07-10 22:48:21
434.   underdog
Man, I really need to refresh this chat more often.

Blog long and prosper.

2008-07-10 22:48:22
435.   RELX
Wouldn't you use Wade and Beimel before Faulkenberg?
2008-07-10 22:48:39
436.   max power
428 The link goes to a blank page from any browser on my computer + my phone.
2008-07-10 22:49:18
437.   RELX
Wouldn't you use Wade and Beimel before Faulkenberg?
2008-07-10 22:49:34
438.   Neal Pollack are now (cough) and have always been (cough) friend.
2008-07-10 22:49:49
439.   RELX
Such an important point, I had to post it twice!
2008-07-10 22:49:56
440.   Eric Stephen
You have my vote!
2008-07-10 22:49:57
441.   bablue
413, It looks terrible.

And the Borg is gonna face Hanley Ramirez. That made me let out a few Rule 1 violations.

2008-07-10 22:50:06
442.   Neal Pollack
We have engaged the Falkenborg.
2008-07-10 22:50:53
443.   RELX
438. Dodgers...out of danger? Don't you remember Ned, you saved the not trading Kemp.
2008-07-10 22:51:52
444.   Bluebleeder87
it almost feels like the oceans part when Hanley walks to the batters box.
2008-07-10 22:51:53
445.   Eric Stephen
All the Star Trek references are appropriate tonight since there seems to be a debate about which Dodger group is better: the old guard, or the Next Generation.
2008-07-10 22:51:53
446.   LoneStar7
danger right here
2008-07-10 22:52:09
447.   MonkeyBlue
Hanely owns the Dodgers.
2008-07-10 22:52:13
448.   bablue
I would, but then again I'm not getting paid 4 million a year to make those kind of decisions, so what do I know.

Alright everyone, cross your fingers, pray, whatever you gotta do right here. Ooh nevermind... woah that sucks.

2008-07-10 22:52:29
449.   Neal Pollack
We need more power, captain!
2008-07-10 22:52:36
450.   skybluestoday
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2008-07-10 22:52:45
451.   nick
Scott Proctor would've done that for the Torre Yanks, and it would have been just as predictable...
2008-07-10 22:52:47
452.   Eric Stephen
Neal, you're way off. It's only one run!
2008-07-10 22:52:55
453.   underdog
441 - What were you saying?

You know, Ramirez was just unconscious today. Incredible. I would've just walked him there.

2008-07-10 22:52:58
454.   LoneStar7
446 well...who didn't see that coming
2008-07-10 22:52:59
455.   KG16
445 - I was always partial to DS9
2008-07-10 22:53:09
456.   RELX
I will post it for a third time:

Wouldn't you use Wade and Beimel before Faulkenberg?

2008-07-10 22:53:10
457.   68elcamino427
I was just going to mention that this might be a good time to get out the drill/meh.
2008-07-10 22:53:28
458.   Neal Pollack
Torre put the Borg in there because he "plays the game the right way."

Wow, he's lousy at bullpen management.

2008-07-10 22:53:40
459.   Uncle Miltie
I was just thinking, we might wanna pitch around one of the best hitters in baseball despite his speed and Jeremy Hermida really isn't anything special.
2008-07-10 22:53:43
460.   underdog
445 At times this season, though, they've played more like the Deep Space Nine.
2008-07-10 22:53:51
461.   Bluebleeder87
I really thought Falkenborg was gonna get out of it, instead we might be down a full game once this one is over.

I'm not convinced Torre I'm not convinced.

2008-07-10 22:54:42
462.   Eric Stephen
And I bet Ned drives a Voyager.
2008-07-10 22:55:10
463.   underdog
NOBODY got Ramirez out tonight. Well, except once. Honestly, I think Wade would've given up a dinger there, too. Maybe even Beimel would've been rocked. But yes, I would've brought Beimel in first. And maybe the Borg over Wade. I would've pitched around him, too.

Well, at least we have the heart of the order coming up.

2008-07-10 22:55:18
464.   nick
458 Torre always has a fatal Cleopatra in his bullpens...
2008-07-10 22:56:13
465.   LoneStar7
didn't torre do this exact same thing in houston, putting in borg before joe...i believe we still won the game though
2008-07-10 22:56:25
466.   KG16
463 - you'd think at some point, you'd just put up 4 fingers with the guy. Especially with 2 outs.
2008-07-10 22:56:42
467.   Icaros
I think Deep Space Nine is the most awesome name for a baseball team I've ever heard, and I have no interest in Star Trek.
2008-07-10 22:56:52
468.   RELX
463 . I'm of the believe that in a game like this, which has been tied for several innings, you bring in your relievers in inverse order of quality, which Torre had been doing...until...
2008-07-10 22:57:16
469.   Bluebleeder87
this is just me but I would have brought in Troncoso.
2008-07-10 22:57:50
470.   LoneStar7
big boy almost did it
2008-07-10 22:57:58
471.   Eric Stephen
HanRam is 17 for 33 lifetime at Dodger Stadium, and is hitting .515/.566/.909 there.
2008-07-10 22:57:58
472.   RELX
But you'll see, Jones will...hit a dribbler down the third base line or strikeout
2008-07-10 22:58:04
473.   skybluestoday
I hate Rick Monday. Stop teasing me.
2008-07-10 22:58:04
474.   KG16
for just a moment there, I thought Andruw had tied it up. But alas, it was left to the Solution.
2008-07-10 22:58:06
475.   bablue
Ooohhh, that was not even fair right there!!! I almost cried!!!
2008-07-10 22:58:36
476.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if Vinny gets paid OT?
2008-07-10 22:58:37
477.   underdog
Oh mannnn.... I really thought that was gone. Sigh.
2008-07-10 22:58:39
478.   MonkeyBlue
So closssssse
2008-07-10 22:58:44
479.   RELX
Damn, I was so wrong--and I wish I had been just a few feet more wrong!
2008-07-10 22:58:55
480.   lukemccain
Yeah, pitching around him would have been the thing to do. Maybe that is what he was trying to do and was wild over the middle of the plate, waist high.
2008-07-10 22:59:25
481.   Bluebleeder87

He wasn't teasing you it almost left the yard.

if it was hit earlier, that ball would have been gone.

2008-07-10 22:59:43
482.   Gagne55
471 I'll always remember his game winning bunt.
2008-07-10 23:00:58
483.   underdog
469 - Troncos vs. Ramirez would likely have been prettier. Honestly it doesn't matter who was pitching to him. The problem was, whoever that person was, should not have been pitching to him.

467 Maybe I can put that in the script somewhere. It's less dorky than the real fictitious name I'm using.

2008-07-10 23:01:55
484.   RELX
Alright, time for Angel's memorable Dodger moment!
2008-07-10 23:01:57
485.   underdog
It comes down to Grampa Snipes.

Welp, night everyone!

2008-07-10 23:02:02
486.   Icaros
So if you're a Red Sox fan, you're really not upset watching Hanley turn into Zeus, Josh Beckett aside?

Imagine this guy hitting in Fenway.

2008-07-10 23:02:12
487.   Eric Stephen
I blame Bob.
2008-07-10 23:02:26
488.   MonkeyBlue
Tough game to lose! D-backs stand alone on top.
2008-07-10 23:02:31
489.   68elcamino427
Joe Torre could not find a way to stop Hanley Ramirez - Vin
2008-07-10 23:02:38
490.   RELX
...or not.
2008-07-10 23:03:11
491.   Gilberto Reyes
Hanley Ramirez is the best player in baseball under 25 years old.
2008-07-10 23:03:31
492.   underdog
I just wanted the Dodgers to be over .500 by the AS Break but that would be mean winning the last three of these, which won't be easy.
2008-07-10 23:03:43
493.   KG16
486 - Red Sox fans are no longer allowed to complain about anything.
2008-07-10 23:03:50
494.   Bluebleeder87

you guys are probably right... just walk the dude.

I was pleasantly surprised we even scored 3 quick runs, I thought we were gonna loose by a boat load tonight the way Park started off.

2008-07-10 23:08:01
495.   dzzrtRatt
Well, I guess Florida played the game the righter way. You just can't stop those PVLs.
2008-07-10 23:08:47
496.   Gilberto Reyes
I agree with Psycho; the killer was Chan Ho giving up the RBI single to the pitcher Johnson.
2008-07-10 23:09:26
497.   ryu
I just read Plaschke's article about Frank McCourt's comments regarding the team and Ned Colleti. I'm just glad I don't work for McCourt. He doesn't sound like a very good boss.
2008-07-10 23:12:49
498.   LoneStar7
if ethier plays this well until the all star break, will slappy still be handed left field when he returns
2008-07-10 23:19:50
499.   LoneStar7
the plaschke article wont work for me, but im a little scared by "mccourt losing patience with the young players"
2008-07-10 23:21:54
500.   dzzrtRatt
498 "We need him," Torre will say. Even though the Dodgers have mostly been winning without him. His contribution is incredibly intangible. In fact, it's so intangible, the team loses more often. But that's not what Joe's concerned about. He looks at baseball managing like a painter. It's all about composition. Without Pierre in the lineup, the team is...lacking Pierre. Can't have that.
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2008-07-10 23:24:35
501.   CodyS
497 Even scarier, McCourt called Plaschke, just so he could get those thoughts in the paper.
2008-07-10 23:33:24
502.   Dodgers49
Bill Plaschke:

>> But that cloud could be lifted by the July 31 trading deadline, which is probably Colletti's last chance to make a good impression. <<

Well, the next three weeks could be very interesting.

2008-07-10 23:34:38
503.   LoneStar7
whats ethier hitting in his since pierre has gone down
2008-07-10 23:38:20
504.   bcg60
503 - He's hitting .375 in July.
2008-07-10 23:42:52
505.   LoneStar7
ah ty...

also i found it funny that this is pierres note on baseball reference..i feel like a Dt'r may be responsible for this

"Freebasing grit and hustle doesn't obscure the 700+ PA's of 75 OPS+ production Pierre brings. He's a black David Eckstein. Bill Plaschke's unsavory fetish notwithstanding, Juan Pierre is probably the worst regular in baseball."

2008-07-10 23:47:14
506.   Bob Timmermann
A fun night with bhsportsguy and Marty after I joined them in the 7th when the crowd thinned out.

On the way back to my car, a guy looked at my Team Croatia shirt and said, "So Czech Republic fan?"
"No, it's Croatia."
"What's the difference?"
"They're different countries"
"Why don't the Czechs wear checks?"
"These are the Croatian colors."

2008-07-10 23:50:58
507.   LoneStar7
504 that stat came in handy for my call into dodgertalk lol...i really wanted ask why on earth clueless joe went to the borg over beimel though, but i guess almost anyone would of been rocked by hanley tonight he was just locked in
2008-07-10 23:51:43
508.   still bevens
Man that new Plaschke article is a bunch of nonsense.
2008-07-11 00:00:40
509.   bcg60
507 - Glad I could help. They should have walked Ramirez, or at least pitched around him, especially since Hermida was
0-4 and only has 9 home runs. I had a feeling Ramirez was going to hit a home run. I really wanted the Dodgers to take that first game.
2008-07-11 00:02:09
510.   Suffering Bruin
506 I looked high and low and didn't even think to check the left field loge. Sorry I missed you.

10 Random thoughts:

1. Giving Hanley Ramirez a pitch to hit with two outs, no one on and extra innings is just not phi beta kappa baseball.

2. Marlins have some horses, people. They got some talent.

3. Josh Johnson looked very good except for one bad inning where all the damage was done with two outs. Johnson batted for himself in the top of the sixth, made the last out of the inning... and in came a reliever. How often does that happen?

4. John Baker first major league hit was a homerun. I've never seen that before.

5. The radar gun was great for the ego tonight. Most of the pitches were 95 and up. Lindstrom hit 100mph on three pitches. Take it for what it's worth.

6. Renyel Pinto was penalized a pitch for going to his mouth. Russell Martin's count was changed from 2-0 to 3-0 (or was it from 2-1 to 3-1?). Anywho, I've never seen that, either.

7. Chan Ho Park pitched with a lot of guts tonight. After giving up three runs and getting into more trouble, he really tried to bear down. I'm not saying he did well but he was gutty.

8. Blake DeWitt. How long, Joe Torre? How long?

9. Nomar got the biggest ovation in the game. I've got a Nomar jersey. Both of these facts are kind of sad in a way.

10. With DeWitt, Berroa and later Maza, the Dodgers basically had three automatic outs at the bottom of the order. Throw in public enemy number one Andruw Jones and you've got a lineup that isn't within a loud shout of the Marlins. That's not sad in a way, that's just sad, period.

Fun night with the family. I enjoyed it. I always do.

2008-07-11 00:04:13
511.   bcg60
Plaschke should stick to a sport writes halfway intelligently about, basketball. I disagree with most of what he writes about the Dodgers.
2008-07-11 00:05:23
512.   Suffering Bruin
Oh, one more thing: how any sentient being can look at Matt Kemp and Juan Pierre and see Pierre as the more effective CF is beyond me. Yes, I know, we've known that for eons but I mean, everyone should be able to see it--scouts, statheads, SABR folk and PVL's--all should agree on this.
2008-07-11 00:07:16
513.   dzzrtRatt
502 The bit about Colletti's "last chance" being this trading deadline makes me wonder whether Plaschke is just trying to create a storyline. Whatever Colletti does, Plaschke has seeded one or more columns for himself. Either Colletti and Mccourt will be goaded into a trade, or they won't at which point Plaschke can pronounce Colletti's death sentence.
2008-07-11 00:07:44
514.   Icaros

I'm telling you it all makes me never want to leave the house again.

2008-07-11 00:10:45
515.   bcg60
512 - How anyone can think Pierre is anything more that an average 4th outfielder on the team is beyond me. Kemp and Ethier should be every day starters without question, even when he comes off the DL.
2008-07-11 00:12:12
516.   dzzrtRatt
If Kemp doesn't go at least 2 for 4 every game, he will be deemed a disappointment. If Pierre went 2 for 4 every game, Dodger management would smugly say they told us so. Pierre only has to reach a low threshold to be seen as contributing, while Kemp has to hit a high mark. This despite the fact that Kemp makes so much less money than Pierre.

Maybe that's the key. It's like that experiment where if you told someone a bottle of wine costs $100, they report it tastes better than if you tell them the real price is $10. Pierre is costing a lot of money, so that biases how Dodger management sees him. Kemp comes at a reasonable price, so he gets scrutinized more by management.

2008-07-11 00:12:43
517.   Alex41592
510 - LaRoche still doesn't have a hit with anybody on base this season. And looked pretty darn awful in his important at bat tonight. This is coming from a guy who really likes him a lot. Perhaps the question should be Andy LaRoche. How long? How long? He's not going to be traded because his value is probably the lowest it has ever been. Some have got to be having some doubts about LaRoche. Fair or not, it's out there.
2008-07-11 00:14:33
518.   Bob Timmermann
As Marty pointed out during the game, Plaschke probably won't be around for the trade deadline since he will be going to Beijing for the Olympics. I would assume he would leave before the end of July.

We all saw Pierre walking around the dugout and he was limping noticeably. He looks really lost because he's never been hurt. At one point, he got a glove on just to give himself the feel that he was going to get to play.

2008-07-11 00:16:17
519.   Bob Timmermann
Marty, bhsportsguy, and I were all in Section 1 of the Reserved.
2008-07-11 00:17:11
520.   Suffering Bruin
As a side note to the silliness of Plaschke, has he written a column on the Dodgers in the last three years that did not include a direct or thinly veiled shot at DePodesta?

I don't think he has.

2008-07-11 00:17:48
521.   Alex41592
517 - With that said I'd love LaRoche to get a fair shot at playing some regular time. But, it's just not going to happen so he HAS to make the best of this situation. And he's not. That's frustrating for all of us.
2008-07-11 00:22:38
522.   Bob Timmermann
The LA Times complaining about disarray in the management of a organization is in the Timmermann Book of Idioms depicting "Pot calling the kettle black."

It's going into its 5th printing!

2008-07-11 00:23:14
523.   Icaros
What's the most number of games in a row LaRoche has ever played? Teams with a clue give their blue chip prospects real, consistent playing time.

As far as I'm concerned, LaRoche's few, scattered at-bats in the majors are basically a junk stat. The stupidity surrounding this whole situation is stunning and pathetic.

2008-07-11 00:24:12
524.   Suffering Bruin
517 Andy LaRoche has a better history of success than DeWitt, was the defacto starting third bagger in the Spring, did just fine in Las Vegas... and is rotting on the bench.

I'm very comfortable starting LaRoche over DeWitt, not least because LaRoche is as of this moment outslugging DeWitt.

Scary thought--there are people in the Dodger organization who are higher on DeWitt than Kemp. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think I am.

2008-07-11 00:25:05
525.   Suffering Bruin
521 I agree.
2008-07-11 00:31:01
526.   Suffering Bruin
Icaros is my man. We've been around awhile in these here parts. So when he says The stupidity surrounding this whole situation is stunning and pathetic, please note that he's not prone to making such a statement and neither am I. Like Jon, we are by nature optimists, we want to have a good time cheering for our favorite team.

But it's never been harder.

It's been said before and needs to be said again: this organization, as presently constituted, cannot identify it's best players. We aren't talking about 2005 Jim Tracy who out of spite played crap players because of ego and myopia. We're talking about management--Colletti and perhaps Torre--who truly believe that the players who are getting the bulk of the playing time and positive press are the guys who give this team the best chance of winning.

I'm a teacher. I don't like using words like stupid and dumb because it's terribly insulting and frankly, not true as it concerns my students. There are many kinds of intelligence--I know I'm an idiot in the kitchen, for example. But this... well, the Dodgers right now are just doing really... not smart things.

And yes, it's terribly, terribly frustrating.

2008-07-11 00:35:05
527.   Suffering Bruin
And as long as I'm in line to hit a homer here, the wonderful wife tonight (18 years come Monday!) looked at me and said, "That was a fun game... but the Dodgers are kind of a sad little team."

She wasn't being mean. She was noticing that the Dodgers don't have a lot of pop in their bats.

2008-07-11 00:41:01
528.   bhsportsguy
526 Sorry I missed you tonight.
2008-07-11 00:41:16
529.   Bob Timmermann
Well, they're better than the Nationals.
2008-07-11 00:42:54
530.   Eric Enders
523 "What's the most number of games in a row LaRoche has ever played? Teams with a clue give their blue chip prospects real, consistent playing time."

This year, two. Last year, I think he started four in a row at one point.

2008-07-11 00:47:27
531.   Suffering Bruin
[528} Me too! It was my first game this season. My brother and his kids are in town so it was a family occasion. I'll catch you next time, for sure.

I'm out tonight people. Remember the rallying cry: "We're better than the Nationals!" It's kind of like a California teacher (like me!) saying, well, per pupil spending is way down but at least we're not Mississippi.


2008-07-11 01:01:32
532.   underdog
I agree with all yer comments right above but it seems like a bit more pessimism, even on a night of a Thousand Stupid Words from Plaschke and an extra inning loss - given how much better the team has been playing and that they're still only a game outta first. (Yes, in the NL Worst.) I have these same frustrations but I don't feel like such a sad panda, not as sad as I felt earlier in the season. What I want to do is strangle the Plaschkes of the world, or have he and Colletti challenge each other to a duel and have them both knock each other out for the rest of the season and let's just play ball.
2008-07-11 01:05:42
533.   Andrew Shimmin
It was only 766 words. It just seems longer when every sentence gets its own paragraph.
2008-07-11 01:06:09
534.   Eric Enders
I'm going to try to avoid reading the Plaschke. I'll probably click on it at some point, for the same reason I can't resist looking at a car wreck, but I will attempt to restrain myself.

That stuff'll kill your brain cells.

2008-07-11 01:42:26
535.   Andrew Shimmin
It's disappointing that Jackson ruled Colletti out as the source so quickly. That could have been hours of fun.
2008-07-11 04:54:21
536.   Ken Noe
534 McCourt says absolutely nothing he hasn't already said, anyway, it's just Plaschke's Carnack-like deconstruction of it.
2008-07-11 07:33:17
537.   Bob Timmermann
I predict today will be a good day. My cat knocked down an LA Phil calendar that I had on my kitchen table.

And once it was down on the floor, he used the calendar to deposit his furball on! Easy cleanup!

What a nice cat. I really wasn't going to use the calendar anyway.

2008-07-11 07:40:43
538.   underdog
Hah! Nice. My cat did something similar the other day with a Netflix flyer. Good boy! Good kitty.

Whoops, I "accidentally" knocked to the floor the Times' sports section.

2008-07-11 07:52:34
539.   Bob Timmermann
Turns out that there was a followup event, but the cleanup was minimal.

When an older cat of mine did this a lot, I took her to a vet. The vet's reply, "She's a cat. Puking is what they do."

2008-07-11 07:59:22
540.   Bob Timmermann
Just how are the videos on the LA Times website for the sports section supposed to increase my enjoyment or understanding of sports?

For the most part, the videos are Plaschke speaking against a black background. They have all the production values of a ransom demand.

2008-07-11 08:06:46
541.   underdog
Indeed, if they were videos of Plaschke being dropped into a nest of spiders, they would have much more value. I guess they couldn't afford that.
2008-07-11 08:12:10
542.   MC Safety
(paging eekrock)

Were you at that King Khan and the Shrines show last night at The Echo?

2008-07-11 08:13:24
543.   underdog
And oh by the way, one of those creepy Plaschke videos made it onto the Awful Announcing site:

2008-07-11 08:14:02
544.   GoBears
While I agree with the general tone of the whinge hereabouts, I would point out that even Torre understands that Kemp is a better CFer than Pierre. During that long stretch that Jones was out, but Pierre healthy, JP was in LF, and Kemp in CF.

Hey, Mr. Torre: Pierre is the perfect pinch runner. The only thing he does well is steal bases - so keep him on the bench until the point in the game when a stolen base would really make a difference (the Dave Roberts World Series spot). If that point doesn't come up in most games, well, I think you now understand how basically unimportant stolen bases are, and how basically worthless is a guy with only that skill.

I loved (he says sarcastically) the logic Torre used in that interview cited here yesterday. He admits that JP's OBP is low, and basically says that THAT IS WHY he needs to bad leadoff, to give him that extra chance to get on base, whence he can use his one skill.

There you have it people: the reason that you should hit your worst OBP guy first - it gives him more chances to maybe be useful.

2008-07-11 08:14:04
545.   regfairfield
I don't get the video of the guy talking to a webcam. Why not just write something?
2008-07-11 08:14:56
546.   GoBears
By the way, I gotta admit that it makes me happy to know that it's still OK to bash the team's misuse of Pierre, even when Pierre is on the DL, and thus being used optimally.
2008-07-11 08:19:26
547.   goofus
Available trades:
One interesting name that jumps out at me is Yorvit Torrealba (sp?). He could be had cheap, his salary isn't too bad, and he could take over behind the plate allowing Martin to play third. If we get a real shortstop, we have Nomar as back-up for First, Third, and Short; Martin is also the back-up catcher. We can DFA/trade/demote LaRoche, DeWitt, Bozoa, Maza, Ardouin, maybe keep one to back-up Kent. Some of those can go in trade for Torrealba, the shortstop, and the power hitting outfielder. I'd prefer to include Pierre in that trade but if it takes Kemp, I'd do it if the guy we're getting is worth it.
2008-07-11 08:23:57
548.   underdog
547 - You're kidding, right? Please tell me you are...
2008-07-11 08:24:56
549.   regfairfield
Torrealba isn't any better than DeWitt or LaRoche offensively (his neutralized line is .228/.268/.367) and moving Russ to third takes way most of his value.
2008-07-11 08:26:57
550.   The Trolley Dodger
541 Well, even spiders have standards.

547 548 I think I'll wait to hear Gallant's trade ideas.

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2008-07-11 08:30:00
551.   gpellamjr
540 If I ever make a video ransom demand, I am going to overproduce it just to show you how awesome a ransom demand can be.
2008-07-11 08:36:33
552.   underdog
551 - My video ransom demand will be directed by Guillermo Del Toro.
2008-07-11 08:39:43
553.   jasonungar07
"There is a certain type of player that will thrive and excel here," McCourt said. "There is another type that won't last here."

like he would know.

2008-07-11 08:43:15
554.   jasonungar07
such as andruw jones, jp, danny baez, bill mueller, mark henderickson, jason schmidt, brett tomko and the list goes on and on. They are not that certain type player I guess.
2008-07-11 09:02:35
555.   berkowit28
It's quite possible Plaschke misunderstood McCourt's vague ramblings, that is in addition to simply wanting to stir things up because he finds it fun plus not knowing anything himself. It actually sounds to me as if McCourt is most upset that all the money he has already authorized for trades has gone to feeble veterans who just end up on the DL instead of superstars, or at least stars. That what he wants is some trade that actually achieves something. He's not specifically asking for the youngsters to be traded - if Colletti can trade crummy old vets and some more cash for great new ones, that would be fine too. But who's going to want crummy old vets on the DL? hence his inchoate frustration.
2008-07-11 09:04:17
556.   still bevens
I just don't get all this horrible baseball buzzspeak. As if the only thing separating us from success is 'learning how to win'. Just what in the blue blazes is that supposed to mean? Its just a bunch of semantic mumbo jumbo and nonsense.
2008-07-11 09:17:12
557.   schoffle

Good question looks to me like he started 7 straight games when he was called up in May 2007 (must of been an injury to someone, Nomar perhaps) anyway he OPS'ed .925. After that his usage was quite spotty and his OPS plummeted and on June 2nd he was sent back down until the roster expanded in September. In September he started the final 8 games but only OPSed about .600 (I am eyeballing it)

2008-07-11 09:26:14
558.   Ken Noe
555 I think it was less a misunderstanding than spin. Example:

McCourt: "The sky is blue."

Plaschke: "The sky isn't blue at Dodger Stadium, and its because of Matt Kemp. Frank McCourt doesn't want to say that, but that's what he's thinking."

No, it's what Plaschke's thinking.

2008-07-11 09:27:35
559.   arborial
551 Have you ever seen the show "Wanderlust" with Gerhard Renke on Comedy Central. It only ran for about a season but in one of the episodes the main character, a german travelogue maker gets addicted to coca leaves and is kidnapped by rebels.

The point is that while he is being held prisoner he gets hired to produce their rebel training video. It was definitely one of the highest production quality rebel videos ever made.

2008-07-11 09:32:07
560.   GoBears
558. Let me edit that properly:


"The sky isn't blue at Dodger Stadium,

It's because of Matt Kemp.

Frank McCourt doesn't want to say that.

But that's what he's thinking."

2008-07-11 09:32:48
561.   GoBears
Oops. That should be a period (full stop) after "Stadium."
2008-07-11 09:43:28
562.   Alex41592
539 - So when do we get the cycle alert?

In other news, when I click the link for Plaschke's column I just get a white screen. That's probably for the best.

2008-07-11 09:44:46
563.   still bevens
Was there any discussion yesterday of James Adkins brutal beatdown yesterday? Anyone concerned?

Adkins: (L, 5-7), 1.0 IP, 9 R, 8 ER, 7 H, 1 K, 2 BB, 1 HR, 5.38 ERA

2008-07-11 09:46:51
564.   silverwidow
Because of inept managing decisions, Andy LaRoche will:

a) Rot on the bench for the Dodgers;


b) Become an above average regular elsewhere

I'm rooting for the latter b/c he deserves an opportunity to succeed.

2008-07-11 09:46:59
565.   gibsonhobbs88
510 - I totally emphatically agree! That old axiom in baseball (Don't let their best player beat you) I guess didn't register with what amounts to the Dodger brain trust last night. If he was leading off, I can see that maybe you had to pitch/albeit somewhat carefully to him, but you don't want to lead off an inning with a baserunner. With 2 outs and no one one and a place to put him and the fact that he was locked in the zone where every pitch looked like a grapefruit up there, you just need to put him on and take your chances with Hermida.

Oh well, The Snakes have to play in Philly this weekend, hopefully Utley and Howard and company ruin their weekend and we can manage to take at least 2 of the next 3.

As far as trades-it's really hard to get equal value in a trade when you have no leverage and everyone knows you are delaing from a short deck at SS. Why Placshke and these other writers insist on the Dodgers making another panic deal and goad Coletti into another bad deal is beyond me? To feed their own ego as de facto GM's? I pray that Colletti holds firm and doesn't panic but I fear the worst that he will cave and the Dodgers will again regress or go back into neutral spinning their wheels into mediocrity.

2008-07-11 09:47:42
566.   Eric Stephen
LaRoche Consecutive Starts:

4 - May 6-9 (first 4 games of career)
2 - May 11-12 (started 6 of first 7 games)
3 - May 15-18
3 - Sept 2-4
2 - Sept 16-18
8 - Sept 22-30 (final 8 games of season after LA was 8 GB with 8 to play)

2 - June 20-21
2 - June 26-27

2008-07-11 09:49:01
567.   fanerman
I often question Plaschke's motivations. He does not really seem like a fan of Los Angeles sports teams. He has to be an agent of evil.
2008-07-11 09:50:19
568.   gibsonhobbs88
565 - sorry for the typo word should have been "dealing" darn transposing letters!:(
2008-07-11 09:52:27
569.   Eric Stephen
FYI, the Play Index on, the tool I use to spew useless facts and find information about 10 minutes slower than Bob, is free through July 19!

2008-07-11 09:54:23
570.   Bob Timmermann
And both of us are not worthy when compared to the protean Travis08.
2008-07-11 09:57:05
571.   gibsonhobbs88
I'll be at the Saturday night game for the fireworks and Kuroda v. Nolasco. I'll be with an old friend visiting from the desert near Twenty-Nine Palms. When he used to live here in the valley as teenagers, we used to go to games together, getting dropped off at the top of the police academy hill and get picked up there by our parents after the game. This was back in 1975,76 before his family moved. So a guy's night out without the wives to talk about the old times and catch a game together. Hopefully Kuroda pitches well,don't expect a game like Monday but I hope he continues his good streak of pitching.
2008-07-11 10:09:00
572.   Eric Stephen
This is a somewhat frightening and sobering stat:

Since June 1 (37 games)
Dodger SS: .183/.243/.262, 12 R, 7 RBI
Dodger 3B: .191/.272/.244, 10 R, 6 RBI

2008-07-11 10:09:53
573.   Eric Stephen
Who is Travis08? Is he someone on BTF?
2008-07-11 10:10:06
574.   Bob Timmermann
That stat should send every Dodger fan into a 12-step program.
2008-07-11 10:11:31
575.   underdog
574 - Which coincidentally is also about how many steps it takes for Andy LaRoche to go from the dugout to stand at third base.
2008-07-11 10:12:30
576.   regfairfield
572 That's truly amazing.
2008-07-11 10:12:42
577.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Travis08 is a Bronx Banterer and he comments on the Griddle.

But he also had a list recently of games where 25 straight batters were retired during the game. It's toward the bottom of the Hudson-Lowe game thread.

2008-07-11 10:12:50
578.   Marty
Frank specifically said he wants people willing to learn from the vast experience of the coaching staff. He wasn't talking about the veterans.
2008-07-11 10:17:14
579.   Humma Kavula
558 is exactly right. What kind of journalist gets away with writing a phrase (I'm paraphrasing) like, "He didn't say (controversial phrase x), but he didn't have to."

In other news, Steve Jobs didn't say that he thought the iPhone 3G was crap, but he didn't have to.

Brendan Fraser didn't say that he thought 3-D was a gimmick that the moviegoing public would see through, but he didn't have to.

2008-07-11 10:21:59
580.   underdog
Underdog didn't say that Bill Plaschke wears endangered polar bear fur-lined panties, but he didn't have to.

Like that?

This is fun.

2008-07-11 10:24:30
581.   Humma Kavula
I will also point out that the column begins with Plaschke's patented opening -- A, B, A, B, in which B is the opposite of A.

This despite the fact that (a) this opening isn't very interesting; (b) it's a poor rhetorical trick, even for a man who writes in one-sentence paragraphs; and (c) he's being mocked for this at FJM often and recently.

2008-07-11 10:25:36
582.   Eric Stephen
I was frantically trying to come up with a 12-step joke once I read Bob's comment, but none I had could beat that one. Nice work.
2008-07-11 10:27:54
583.   jasonungar07
Wow!572 I don't understand why they wouldn't give Andy starts at 3b the next 10 games in a row to see if he can establish himself.
2008-07-11 10:30:20
584.   JoeyP
572--Thats amazing, but the SS numbers should go up with Nomar getting Abs instead of Angel Maza.

3b is a black hole of Blake Dewitt.
Sure, LaRoche could be every bit the hole that Dewitt is, but at least give him the chance.

2008-07-11 10:30:24
585.   arborial
580 wow, that is one of the funniest things I have ever read.
2008-07-11 10:33:10
586.   Ken Noe
It's simple, really. Blake DeWitt is Bernie Williams is Scott Proctor.
2008-07-11 10:34:28
587.   Louis in SF
Just think if you were to take out Nomar's stats at SS, the numbers would be even worse.
2008-07-11 10:36:33
588.   El Lay Dave
572 Eric, if you are doing that via B-R PI (which I pay for), what's the trick? Or are you take each players' position split into a spreadsheet? Or.... TIA.
2008-07-11 10:36:56
589.   Eric Stephen
Nomar does have 5 of the 7 SS RBI. w/o Nomar SS are hitting .165/.222/.211 since June 1.
2008-07-11 10:38:54
590.   JoeyP
Chris Volstad makes his MLB starting debut tonight for the Marlins.

He's only 21 years old.
6'8 220# right hander---> tallest right handed starter in the major leagues.

His minor league numbers are rather underwhelming:

91 IP at AA (Southern League)
56 ks
30 bbs
0 HRs allowed

Dodgers should be able to score some runs tonight since they dont really depend on homers to score anyway. Volstad will throw a "here hit it" game. Maybe the Dodgers luck will be good tonight?

2008-07-11 10:40:36
591.   Eric Stephen
I used the B-R PI, and totaled the numbers in an Excel spreadsheet.

For LaRoche, Berroa & Nomar, it was easy since they have only played their respective positions since June 1, so I was able to use the splits page for each.

For the rest, I used game logs and selected the range of games since June 1. For Hu, he only played SS so he was easy. For the rest, I went back and got rid of all the non-positional PA game by game.

Maza was the hardest since he has played all over and was essentially a game-by-game tallying affair.

2008-07-11 10:41:07
592.   Xeifrank
I see that the LA Times is running the Montana/Gretzky Oaks Christian High football story today. They fail to mention that the best QB of the bunch left for Newbury Park H.S., due to the mess.
vr, Xei
2008-07-11 10:42:46
593.   JoeyP
It appears Volstad's only notable skill in the minors was not allowing home runs (0.47Hrs/9) He has pretty good control overall (2.42 bbs/9) career.

Seems his upside is that of a very tall Derek Lowe.

A pitcher dependent on infield defense to suck up ground balls and turn DPs may have trouble with Hanley/Uggla behind him.

2008-07-11 10:43:37
594.   El Lay Dave
DeWitt hit .219 .306 .313 from May 23 to the end of the month, so the numbers is 572 are probably quite similar for the last 46 games, FWIW.

Dodgers are 18-19 since June 1, 20-26 since May 23.

2008-07-11 10:43:42
595.   Eric Stephen
I posted this yesterday, but the Dodgers don't have a good record against starters in their 1st or 2nd MLB game. Since 2001, LA is 2-10 in such games. Opposing rookies are 7-1 with a 4.43 ERA.

They have scored some runs so the record is probably bad luck, but still.

2008-07-11 10:46:52
596.   Eric Stephen
Since LaRoche was called up (June 11):

DeWitt: .179/.241/.233 in 79 PA
LaRoche: .179/.289/.359 in 45 PA

2008-07-11 10:48:46
597.   regfairfield
595 That's surprising. I always assumed "we always get burned by guys making their first start" was just selective memory.

589 That makes me feel a little better.

2008-07-11 10:48:51
598.   El Lay Dave
591 Thanks, figured it was something like that. I have wished that PI would support combined splits, e.g., home R vs. home L. The gamelog is how, of course, I did DeWitt May 23-31.
2008-07-11 10:51:05
599.   Jon Weisman
2008-07-11 11:20:29
600.   Bluebleeder87
Happy Friday everyone, I really hope they [Torre] plays La Roche for a fair amount of time to see what's doin' with him but he won't (exhibit A. Pierre) Torre seems to be a first impression kind of guy or something to that effect.

I hope it isn't the norm for Torre (1st year managing a new team & all...) if he keeps it up, I feel many DT'ers will be "sad Pandas"

2008-07-11 11:58:36
601.   Bob Hendley
231 - Other than the 70s when they went to a bunch of World Series' and the 80s when they won two, when have the Dodgers been "winners"?

Son,let me introducec you to the 1960's.

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