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July 12 Game Chat
2008-07-12 18:48
by Jon Weisman
Comments (472)
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2008-07-12 19:05:19
1.   Eric Enders
Alan Schwarz with the article of the year so far:

Note to Bill Plaschke: This is what happens when one writes to inform, not inflame, and chooses every word carefully and well.

2008-07-12 19:12:43
2.   Bob Timmermann
Bill Plaschke's favorite key is the carriage return.
2008-07-12 19:12:47
3.   Bob Hendley
Well, dealt with him handily.
2008-07-12 19:15:40
4.   D4P
Cody Ross OPSing .833 with 15 HRs.
2008-07-12 19:18:17
5.   Bob Hendley
2008-07-12 19:18:43
6.   worz
(Sigh) Is there no way we can prevent the Marlins from scoring in the first inning?
2008-07-12 19:19:56
7.   Bob Timmermann
The 150:1s lead has been cut to a 1/2 game. They've lost six straight.
2008-07-12 19:24:13
8.   Bob Timmermann
Whoa, KCAL's graphics machine went wonky there at the end of the inning.
2008-07-12 19:26:23
9.   MMSMikey
nomar leading off?

this from jayson stark...

"Sheez, what happened to this man? If Andruw Jones's second half resembles his first half, he's potentially heading for (ready for this?) the Worst Offensive Season in Baseball History. At this rate, he'd finish with a .172 average, .261 slugging percentage, five homers, 21 RBIs, 125 strikeouts and only 64 hits. And you shouldn't be flabbergasted to learn that the all-time list of players who have had numbers that gruesome consists of, well, nobody. Heck, only three other players in history have even had twice as many strikeouts as hits (in a season of 100 or more whiffs): Rob Deer (175-80 in 1991), Dave Nicholson (126-60 in 1964) and Mark McGwire (118-56 in 2001). But at least those fellows made a few home run trots, or finished over the Mendoza Line."

2008-07-12 19:26:35
10.   Zach the Ripper
Anyone else getting the feeling Dodgers are going to get swept?
2008-07-12 19:28:58
11.   Bob Hendley
Very generous scoring on that one.
2008-07-12 19:30:42
12.   Bob Timmermann
Orange alert for Ryan Ludwick in Pittsburgh. This is an orange alert.
2008-07-12 19:36:10
13.   Bob Hendley
Dodger Ball!
2008-07-12 19:40:24
14.   tethier
Vin said it all. Bases loaded and no one out and the Dodgers were lucky to get a run. Not good.
2008-07-12 19:40:35
15.   berkowit28
Vin just said "Nomar is batting cleanup!" Hmmm.
2008-07-12 19:41:55
16.   bigcpa
I'm beginning to think Jones is finished.
2008-07-12 19:43:04
17.   StolenMonkey86
15 - he's due up 4th in the 2nd
2008-07-12 19:43:12
18.   Bluebleeder87

Thanks for directing us to that piece Eric, really nice.

Bradley has never hidden his bitterness toward the past and suspicion of others' motives toward him.

That last piece is disturbing (& telling) but I really really hope he is doing better...

2008-07-12 19:43:54
19.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled in Pittsburgh. Stand down.
2008-07-12 19:44:06
20.   Zach the Ripper
Jones is killing us. C'mon Torre, if you are going to show blind loyalty to this guy, at least bat him 8th!
What does it say about the Dodgers if Torre says we are going to need A Jones to be sucessful?
2008-07-12 19:44:12
21.   Neal Pollack
Jones has got to go. He just has to. And Ned has to go with him. Just despicable.
2008-07-12 19:45:37
22.   jasonungar07
That Torre is

a. an idiot
b. is paid 3+ million a year and will say whatever frank wants him to
c. both

2008-07-12 19:46:24
23.   Bob Hendley
Druw no longer has that little smile of his after K-ing.
2008-07-12 19:47:13
24.   Ken Noe
23 I bet Ned quit smiling some time ago.
2008-07-12 19:47:44
25.   Bluebleeder87
we've gotten far to use to that ugly Andruw Jones swing, juck!
2008-07-12 19:48:30
26.   Bob Hendley
Of all things, I kinda miss JP (but not leading off!)
2008-07-12 19:49:57
27.   MonkeyBlue
Torre Jones is well below the Mendoza line. He is in the Andruw line right now.
2008-07-12 19:50:06
28.   Bluebleeder87

I don't miss J. Pierre at all.

2008-07-12 19:50:15
29.   MonkeyBlue
27. ,*
2008-07-12 19:50:26
30.   tethier
I don't know if it was mentioned earlier, but having Nomar lead off really flies in the face of the "you need speed in the lead off spot argument," the reason given for playing Pierre when Furcal went down. As with many things, what you said earlier is Conveniently forgotten - down the memory hole.
2008-07-12 19:50:46
31.   fanerman
9 I wonder if a "Worst Offensive Season Ever" would get him DFA'ed.
2008-07-12 19:51:12
32.   Andrew Shimmin
I liked the article, but I don't know how you write that piece without mentioning Bradley's (admittedly complicated) spousal abuse allegation.
2008-07-12 19:51:27
33.   Tripon
2008-07-12 19:51:46
34.   thinkblue88
boom! awesome swing.
2008-07-12 19:52:14
35.   regfairfield
2008-07-12 19:52:26
36.   fanerman
That looked pretty effortless.
2008-07-12 19:52:31
37.   Bluebleeder87
it's like Jones can't put 2 & 2 together...

hey Jones if you try & pull everything THE PITCHERS ARE GONNA NOTICE (duh!) all they have to do is throw a little slider or outside pitch & your toast!

yay, Bison!

2008-07-12 19:52:46
38.   tethier
Nice at bat by Kemp. Laid off the low curve, got ahead in the count and blasted the fastball.
2008-07-12 19:52:50
39.   Zach the Ripper
Is it possible to frame someone for steroids...or do they actually need to take them?
What if we got a Dodger person to hide some in his car?
2008-07-12 19:53:07
40.   regfairfield
Was DeWitt getting booed there?
2008-07-12 19:53:27
41.   nofatmike
Roam Free!!!
2008-07-12 19:53:28
42.   Tripon
Think we can trade Andruw Jones for Matt Holiday? They both make similar salaries. ~_~
2008-07-12 19:53:33
43.   jasonungar07
That Kemp bomb would have stifled our first inning rally if he was at leadoff.
2008-07-12 19:53:40
44.   Bluebleeder87

that swing looked almost as effortless as a Wolly Joyner swing.

2008-07-12 19:53:53
45.   fanerman
36 What am I saying... clearly he's uncoachable. Trade him!
2008-07-12 19:54:11
46.   berkowit28
17 No, this was at the very beginning of the game. I'm watching on a short time delay. But, after all that, Kemp will be batting leadoff...
2008-07-12 19:54:24
47.   bigcpa
The Ballplayer vs. RHP: .256/.313/.352
2008-07-12 19:57:03
48.   fanerman
Frank McCourt saved that foul ball!
2008-07-12 19:57:18
49.   Bluebleeder87
what happens when a fantasy player leaves a game (like Hanley Ramirez) do you guys lose points or something?
2008-07-12 19:59:00
50.   bigcpa
50 I fantasize that he's back in the lineup tomorrow.
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2008-07-12 19:59:18
51.   StolenMonkey86
2008 WARP1

Top 5
Martin 4.7
Saito 4.1
Billingsley 3.6
Kemp 3.0
Kuo 3.0

Bottom 6
Sweeney -1.0
Hu -0.9
Berroa -0.2
Proctor -0.2
Repko -0.1
Jones -0.1

Pujols 6.2
Gagne 0.4
Francoeur 0.9
Hafner 0.2
A-Rod 4.2

2008-07-12 19:59:29
52.   bigcpa
Make that 49 .
2008-07-12 20:00:23
53.   Bob Timmermann
As a Hanley Ramirez fantasy owner, I don't really lose points as much as I just don't get to gain any from him.

If he sits out tomorrow, I'll put somebody else at short.

2008-07-12 20:00:24
54.   Bluebleeder87
Andruw Jones still looks pretty picking 'em though...
2008-07-12 20:01:09
55.   68elcamino427
Ahh - a blast of Bison Power from the 23 year old.
2008-07-12 20:02:01
56.   StolenMonkey86
I'm waiting for the video highlight, although I can watch Nomar score on Kent's olney.
2008-07-12 20:03:08
57.   Eric Enders
So, Extra Innings randomly decided to black out the Dodger game tonight even though I don't live anywhere near Florida or California.

Of course, the first innings I miss all month would be the ones when Kemp goes yard.

2008-07-12 20:04:18
58.   Bob Timmermann
I just added J.J. Hardy to my team as a precaution.

I dropped Jay Bruce. I picked him up after he stopped hitting.

And playing.

2008-07-12 20:04:26
59.   StolenMonkey86
If you were to tell me that one of the shortstops would leave with an injury in this game, I would definitely guess it was Nomar.
2008-07-12 20:05:35
60.   regfairfield
It's really hard to have a negative WARP.
2008-07-12 20:08:31
61.   Bob Timmermann
Ramirez has had a recurring problem with that shoulder for the past two years.

I saw one game where it looked he would have to come out because it appeared that his shoulder popped out of the socket after a swing and a miss.

But he stayed in the game and I think he may have even homered in the game.

2008-07-12 20:10:34
62.   thinkblue88
Andruw Jones is a Dodger, so I'm rooting for him to break out and succed.

It's getting harder and harder.

2008-07-12 20:10:37
63.   Neal Pollack
That was one of the worst at-bats I've ever seen.
2008-07-12 20:11:26
64.   68elcamino427
Alright Jones- It's now time for my primal scream therapy time-out.
2008-07-12 20:11:57
65.   jasonungar07
It's sad and pathetic. They need to make it stop, for his sake.
2008-07-12 20:12:02
66.   StolenMonkey86
60 - But even then, what happened to Travis Hafner?
2008-07-12 20:13:20
67.   Neal Pollack
65--But the team needs him to win.
2008-07-12 20:15:25
68.   68elcamino427
I always remember to thank Mr. Saito for helping to recruit Mr. Kuroda for the Dodgers.
2008-07-12 20:15:33
69.   Bluebleeder87
Cody Ross is a little pile of dynamite...
2008-07-12 20:15:34
70.   larry slimfast
Do we have any evidence that Andruw is busting his hump trying to get over this beyond the rather simple solution of opening his batting stance?
2008-07-12 20:17:55
71.   Neal Pollack
He backed away from a slow outside curveball.
2008-07-12 20:19:04
72.   Eric Enders
I think it goes without saying that any player who sucks that bad is busting his hump trying to get batter. It's human nature. He may be getting the money regardless, but nobody likes to be embarrassed on a daily basis.
2008-07-12 20:19:21
73.   Bluebleeder87

I've heard he is trying to get over this hurdle but that's about it, I haven't read anything though.

2008-07-12 20:19:39
74.   fanerman
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Andruw Jones is a ballplayer and knows how to win. It doesn't matter that he looks clueless at the plate.
2008-07-12 20:20:16
75.   berkowit28
OK, I'm caught up now, and will have to watch the commercials with the rest of you. No more peculiar out of sync comments from me (well, maybe).
2008-07-12 20:21:21
76.   Bluebleeder87
Bizzaro world with Cody Ross. He bats RIGHTY & THROWS LEFTY.


2008-07-12 20:22:23
77.   Eric Enders
76 So do Rickey Henderson and yours truly. It's an exclusive club.
2008-07-12 20:23:17
78.   Bob Timmermann
Don't forget Hal Chase.
2008-07-12 20:23:24
79.   Bob Hendley
On Kemp's HR, Vin was saying that its very different hitting 0-1 and 1-0. True, in the case of Kemp, as he is only hitting .419 at 0-1 (and .462 at 1-0).
2008-07-12 20:24:23
80.   Bob Timmermann
Someone needs to tell Vin where the accent mark in Amezaga goes. It's on the first A!
2008-07-12 20:24:49
81.   larry slimfast
While I appreciate his calm demeanor, he continues to give the appearance of apathy with every mounting weak at bat. I wish Larry Bowa would jump all over him.
2008-07-12 20:25:09
82.   Reddog
I can't imagine what it must be like to be Frank McCourt and know he has to write checks totalling $36Million for Andruw Jones this season and next, and another $47Million for Schmidt through next season.
2008-07-12 20:25:12
83.   Eric Enders
78 Me, Hal Chase, and Rickey Henderson. Three truly upstanding citizens.

I don't know where Jimmy Ryan fits into this, though.

2008-07-12 20:26:57
84.   Eric Enders
80 It's on the E, actually.
2008-07-12 20:27:38
85.   Landonkk
Andruw Jones just got his knees buckled on a below average curveball on the outer half of the plate - twice... and then wailed away on one a foot outside. There are high schoolers that would have a less pathetic AB than that.

I understand that hindsight is 20-20, but Colletti should be fired for this signing alone.

2008-07-12 20:29:10
86.   Neal Pollack
85--I agree entirely. Worst free-agent signing of all time.
2008-07-12 20:29:11
87.   jasonungar07
Can we trade Schmidt and Jones for the Marlins? The salary matches up. We may have to throw in Gary Bennett but it could work. We'd even get more than one all star out of the deal.
2008-07-12 20:29:27
88.   Eric Enders
People sure are overreacting on Jones. My goodness.
2008-07-12 20:29:52
89.   Bob Hendley
ucladodger is sooo right. Kemp is amazing when hitting earlier in the count. Along with the above, he is .429 on the first pitch and .452 at 1-1.
2008-07-12 20:30:07
90.   berkowit28
80 There seems to be a dearth of people in the organization willing to tell Vin about any of his little errors - he repeats them frequently. Or nobody there is even listening to him. They should pay someone to be his assistant.
2008-07-12 20:32:09
91.   Bob Hendley
90 - but we always know what he means (I, for one, would never correct Vin).
2008-07-12 20:32:38
92.   sporky
86 Even worse than the 5/$45 Pierre signing?
2008-07-12 20:32:52
93.   jasonungar07
81 Oh how funny! Bowa just snaps and looses it.

Vinny is like "and here comes Bowa. And he is charging Jones in, in, in...the batters box, oh my...."

2008-07-12 20:33:20
94.   MC Safety
1 Great article. Thanks for posting that, Eric Enders. That Michael Young is a quality lad.
2008-07-12 20:33:28
95.   Neal Pollack
88--Overreacting only because he doesn't matter in our ACTUAL lives. In terms of baseball, there aren't negatives negative enough to describe his unique brand of suckitude this season. It's beyond the pale.
2008-07-12 20:33:54
96.   Bob Timmermann
So who put you in charge of the Accent Mark Police?
2008-07-12 20:34:08
97.   Neal Pollack
92--That one was pretty bad, too.
2008-07-12 20:34:38
98.   Bob Timmermann
I pay Eric Enders to point out my errors.
2008-07-12 20:34:40
99.   larry slimfast
I found the Jones deal to be a step in the right direction but it certainly looks like he might need a fire lit under him at this point. The talent is there. He does need to be given a chance after his injury but man, he just looks as if he couldn't care less.
2008-07-12 20:35:00
100.   Bluebleeder87

:o) I'd do it, come on Ned get 'er done.

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2008-07-12 20:35:04
101.   Eric Enders
I would never correct him, but somebody who works for the team should. Professional that he is, I suspect he would be disappointed to find that people were, out of some sort of politeness or timidness, preventing him from improving his broadcasts.
2008-07-12 20:37:10
102.   berkowit28
93 Huh? This your version of fantasy baseball?
2008-07-12 20:37:23
103.   Landonkk
88 - I have waited 160 AB's into the season to have an official 'reaction' to Jones, and my astonishment at his carelessness and ineptitude are entirely valid.

I apologize for skirting Rule 8, but this is the only place I feel like I can get out a little frustration...

2008-07-12 20:38:13
104.   Bob Timmermann
I am not disappointed that Eric corrects my errors.

I will just get back at him one night while he sleeps.

2008-07-12 20:40:54
105.   Andrew Shimmin
Bob was the inspiration for the Freddie Kruger movies. But they didn't think it was interesting enough to have him killing baseball writers in their sleep, so the producers changed it to naked teenagers. Because it's art.
2008-07-12 20:41:04
106.   Bluebleeder87

That got my little mexican blood boiling. But seriously, the Jones & Schmidt signing (to me) made sense when you look back at them.

of course I didn't have the privilege of going thru Schmidty's med. record.

2008-07-12 20:41:56
107.   Eric Enders
If we're counting errors, I am once again Hal Chase and Bob is more like Steve Garvey.

(Aside from the fact that one of them couldn't throw and the other couldn't do anything but.)

2008-07-12 20:42:03
108.   Andrew Shimmin
Wikipedia claims that Freddy Krueger is spelled with two Es in the last name.
2008-07-12 20:43:48
109.   Andrew Shimmin
He hit that very much.
2008-07-12 20:43:49
110.   Eric Enders
I prefer Krüger, which makes him sound like an eighties band.
2008-07-12 20:43:50
111.   Bluebleeder87
if I had Jorge Cantu in my fantasy team I'd be pretty stoked right about now.
2008-07-12 20:44:07
112.   Bob Hendley
Cantu, can do.
2008-07-12 20:44:34
113.   Bob Timmermann
Now all the runners on first base are going to break for second once they get picked off because they know I can't throw down to second.

Sheesh, was that irritating to watch with Garvey.

2008-07-12 20:46:07
114.   larry slimfast
103 Seems like calling for the GM's job over the Jones contract is more of a Rule 6...

Jorge Cantu has a fun name to say... I mean not right now but it is fun to say

2008-07-12 20:48:52
115.   Travis08
83 Ryan Ludwick also hits righty and throws lefty.

It seems to be far more common for pitchers than for position players. Of the 499 lefty throwers/righty hitters (according to the Lahman database), 442 were pitchers.

Notables include Rube Waddell, Carl Hubbell, Sandy Koufax, and Eddie Gaedel (?!).

2008-07-12 20:50:51
116.   larry slimfast
And Joe Torre with one of his dumbest quotes of the year on Kemp from the article about Nomar playing short and leading off on

"His on-base percentage (.340 leading off) is fine. I don't think Matt does anything different (compared to batting elsewhere in the lineup)," said Torre. "Sometimes he has quality at-bats, sometimes he gets impatient. He did some good things. I just feel we need a little more offense and quality at-bats on top. We'll see what it looks like."

2008-07-12 20:50:56
117.   Bob Timmermann
A lot of those lefty throwers decided to hit right handed because it is harder for kids to find left-handed bats.
2008-07-12 20:51:32
118.   Bob Hendley
114 - More like Rule 8. It certainly looks like the worse free agent signing ever, and when combined with Schimdt, one has to think that McCourt doesn't think fondly of his GM when he has to write the check.
2008-07-12 20:52:05
119.   larry slimfast
115 Most of those were probably decisions made by management to protect their arms.
2008-07-12 20:52:33
120.   Bob Hendley
115 - Was Eddie that small fellow?
2008-07-12 20:53:59
121.   68elcamino427
Looking on the bright side of players ages -

20 3/19/88 - Kershaw - Phenom

22 8/21/85 - DeWitt - Starting at 3B

23 7/29/84 - Billigsley - Ace of the staff
23 9/13/84 - Abreu
23 9/23/84 - Kemp - Starting in RF/CF
23 10/12/84 - May

24 2/2/84 - Hu
(24 2/9/84 - Navarro) - Traded
24 5/7/84 - Loney - Starting at 1B
24 6/16/84 - Broxton - Set-up Man
24 7/11/84 - Meloan
24 9/13/83 - LaRoche - Riding the pine

25 5/28/83 - Wade - In the Bullpen
25 2/16/83 - Tronscoso - In the Bullpen
25 2/15/83 - Martin - All-Star Catcher - Team MVP

26 6/30/82 - Young - Part time LF and PH
26 4/10/82 - Ethier - Starting in RF/LF
26 7/23/81 - Kuo - In the Bullpen

(27 12/23/80 - C Ross) Traded
27 12/27/80 - Repko

28 6/11/80 - Brazoban
28 12/9/79 - Stults - Starting Pitcher

(29 4/17/79 Beltre) - Left as FA
(29 5/29/79 Werth) - Traded

So how good will the 20 - 24 year old be when they are 28 - 29?

More talent is being developed on the farm and is on the way.

Who do you retain and who do you trade or release?

2008-07-12 20:55:27
122.   sporky
So what kind of sombrero is this? Silver?
2008-07-12 20:55:32
123.   Landonkk
Weight gain (the soft mushy kind, not muscle)... Sudden and dramatic loss of ability... Injuries for the first time in his career... Sure looks like somebody got lucky not having his name mentioned in the Mitchell Report.

I didn't hate the Jones deal when it happened, but I also tend to have a skewed view on these things after the fact because I am a fan and desperately want everything to work out. I look at them through rose colored glasses when first reading about them. I am also not paid what Colletti is paid to do some due diligence on a guy.

Is the airspace around Dodger Stadium restricted? I am thinking about flying a banner so McCourt can read about my anger firsthand. Seriously...

Ha ha. His AB's are pure comedy to me at this point.

OK. Done. Sorry guys.

2008-07-12 20:55:58
124.   Travis08
119 It's the opposite - batting righty exposes a lefty pitcher's throwing shoulder. Dwight Gooden could switch-hit, but the Mets refused to let him bat left-handed for that reason.

120 Yes. I'm not sure why he's listed as a lefty thrower, given that he never played the field.

2008-07-12 20:56:07
125.   tjdub
OK. Before this gets much further.

3K=Hat Trick
4K=SILVER sombrero

That's how I learned it anyway. Must be an alliteration thing.

2008-07-12 20:57:04
126.   Eric Enders
I thought steroids helped you hit the ball farther on contact. I didn't realize they actually made contact for you.
2008-07-12 20:57:15
127.   whodat807
125 so what's a golden sombrero?
2008-07-12 20:57:32
128.   eusmus
That was a pretty laughable strike zone for Loney.
2008-07-12 20:58:18
129.   Eric Stephen
No way. The metal sombrero hierarchy is as follows:

3K = silver
4K = gold
5K = platinum

2008-07-12 20:58:22
130.   tjdub
127 5K. It doesn't happen that often of course.
2008-07-12 20:58:32
131.   Eric Enders
A golden sombrero is 4. Platinum is 5.

If we get a sombrero tonight, will Vin tell us where to throw it?

2008-07-12 20:59:22
132.   Eric Stephen
And you have to have 0 hits. The zero obviously makes the sombrero. No 1-5 with 4 strikeouts in this discussion.
2008-07-12 20:59:30
133.   berkowit28
Kemp is having to lead off an inning more often than when he bats at no. 1. Maybe.
2008-07-12 20:59:35
134.   Bob Timmermann
And for 6 Ks, you get the black sombrero. But that's only for our most special strikeout experts.

Billy Cowan has one!

2008-07-12 20:59:37
135.   Landonkk
127 - Per Wikipedia:

"In baseball, the golden sombrero is a slang term used to describe a player's inglorious feat of striking out four times in a single game."

2008-07-12 21:00:24
136.   Eric Enders
Fast Facts:

Full name: Juan D'Vaughn Pierre
Born: August 14, 1977
Birthplace: Mobile, Alabama
Made MLB debut with the Colorado Rockies
2003: Played with the 2003 World Series winners, Florida Marlins
2007: Had a 72 game hit streak

2008-07-12 21:00:46
137.   jasonungar07
Jones was one of my favorite non dodgers ever and I don't have many of them. It's sad to see. I even start to question if he had surgery and if he was really hurt. Or if they just put him on a paid vacation and sent out some PR.
2008-07-12 21:00:47
138.   Eric Stephen
A hat trick is a positive moniker, like for say three doubles or something. It shouldn't be used as a negative.
2008-07-12 21:01:08
139.   Bluebleeder87
in traditional terms, Gonzalez has had a very respectable career.
2008-07-12 21:01:22
140.   Travis08
2008-07-12 21:01:33
141.   Eric Enders
It irks me that Andruw Jones is getting booed louder than Luis Gonzalez in this series.
2008-07-12 21:02:10
142.   Eric Enders
140 Ha!
2008-07-12 21:02:34
143.   Eric Stephen
I always thought it would be titanium or something for six. I didn't think it had happened but of course I forgot about extra inning games.

Larry Cheney is nothing to me!

2008-07-12 21:02:37
144.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Mike Souchak
2008-07-12 21:05:40
145.   Bob Hendley
2008-07-12 21:05:54
146.   Eric Stephen
Here's the weird thing about that: I was flipping around HBO On Demand, and watched a documentary on the back 9 of the 1960 US Open (featuring Hogan, Palmer, and Nicklaus fighting for the championship).

Souchak was dominating the tourney through 3 rounds (was up 7 on eventual winner Palmer entering Sunday), and until today I'd never heard of him.

I looked up Souchak on Google and the first thing that came up was his death Thursday. Sad stuff.

2008-07-12 21:06:13
147.   Kayaker7
126 I'll put forth a theory I've put forth before. One has better control when "staying within yourself," like 70-80% muscular effort, rather than 100%. If you can swing as hard as before 'roids, but do with only 80% effort, you should be in much better control and thus hit better.
2008-07-12 21:07:24
148.   overkill94
144 Man, tough day for being alive
2008-07-12 21:07:44
149.   Eric Stephen
No matter the Marlins SS, no matter the accent placement, the Dodgers are not faring well during those ABs.
2008-07-12 21:08:01
150.   Bob Timmermann
8 player have had 6 Ks in a game. Jeff Jenkins was the last player to do it, back in 2004.

Only 2 player though had a streak of 6 straight Ks in one game:
Carl Weilman of the Browns in 1913 (he was a pitcher) and Alex Gonzalez of the Blue Jays in 1998.

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2008-07-12 21:08:35
151.   larry slimfast
Can we sick Bowa on Torre as well?
2008-07-12 21:10:30
152.   fanerman
BABIP nightmare
2008-07-12 21:10:42
153.   Eric Enders
We really needed John Shelby in center field there.
2008-07-12 21:10:44
154.   Eric Stephen
That was awkwardly great.
2008-07-12 21:11:08
155.   Bluebleeder87
what a gift this Andruw Jones has...
2008-07-12 21:11:56
156.   fanerman
Designated Fielder!
2008-07-12 21:11:59
157.   Eric Enders
On his mule!
2008-07-12 21:12:01
158.   larry slimfast
150 Did Jeff change his name to Geoff before or after that?
2008-07-12 21:12:11
159.   Bob Hendley
Well, he can still do that, in a manner.
2008-07-12 21:12:13
160.   Neal Pollack
Let me join the "where credit is due" club.
2008-07-12 21:12:28
161.   Eric Stephen
We really needed John Shelby in center field there

Sheades of the Hershiser save!

2008-07-12 21:12:41
162.   Landonkk
2008-07-12 21:12:48
163.   CanuckDodger
For those of us not able to watch the game, what happened with Bowa and Jones?
2008-07-12 21:13:37
164.   tjdub
135 Clearly Wikipedia and everyone else is wrong and I am right :)

That's been bugging me since Repko's season debut, only to now speak up and learn that my friends and I had added our own unique precursor level of suck for all these many years. Ignorance truly is bliss.

Wouldn't it be great if the subject had not come up so repeatedly in the last few weeks?

2008-07-12 21:14:00
165.   Eric Stephen
Something happened with Bowa & Jones? I didn't see anything on the Marlins' broadcast.
2008-07-12 21:14:10
166.   Bluebleeder87
I wish we had the mid to late 90's Andruw Jones.

What went wrong Mr. Jones!?

2008-07-12 21:15:32
167.   Bob Hendley
163 - Another Jason fantasy. Nothing, in other words, but it sounded real good.
2008-07-12 21:15:36
168.   bablue
126 "I thought steroids helped you hit the ball farther on contact. I didn't realize they actually made contact for you."

Well of course they do. When you're stronger you have more bat speed, therefore you can catch up to fastball easier (but Adruw can't like he used to). You also have more time to decide whether to swing, meaning you don't swing at as many bad pitches (which is a also a huge problem for Andruw). Also, when you swing harder, you hit the ball harder, giving fielders less time to get to the ball. Bat speed, and consequently steroids, have a HUGE effect on making contact with the ball.

2008-07-12 21:16:07
169.   Eric Stephen
The Jeff Conine "Mr. Marlin" stuff is a little silly.
2008-07-12 21:16:08
170.   overkill94
This whole Andruw Jones thing is quite the conundrum...

- he has a huge contract, so it's hard to sit him
- his defense has been great, so he's at least contributing in some way
- there's no reason for him to be in the 5th spot right now
- Delwyn Young needs to be cutting into his playing time at least twice per week

One can only hope that at some point he'll break out of his season-long slump (at least a little), but until then I don't think it's doing the team any good to just trot him out every day.

2008-07-12 21:16:25
171.   jasonungar07
Canuck. Absolutely nothing. Someone made a joke about how they wished Bowa would attack Jones and I piled on..
2008-07-12 21:17:56
172.   Bob Hendley
PHdelwym on deck.
2008-07-12 21:18:15
173.   tjdub
138 We must have thought we were being ironic. I've been chastened. I'm not one of those unteachable kids you know!
2008-07-12 21:18:22
174.   jasonungar07
Seriously guys when you see him Jones in the field (before and now) does anyone think Knee Injury? He moves well.
2008-07-12 21:19:01
175.   Eric Stephen
I had Del Taco for dinner this evening. Now Delwyn Young is set to bat. Coincidence?

I think not.

2008-07-12 21:19:34
176.   Bob Hendley
170 - Well stated.
2008-07-12 21:20:19
177.   larry slimfast
I wonder if it would take Ethier, Broxton and HotShotMinorLeaguePitchingProspectNotNamedKershaw to get 1 Jason Bay. Would that be enough?
2008-07-12 21:20:50
178.   Travis08
150 Weilman pitched 14-2/3 innings in relief in that game, an 8-8 15-inning tie. Walter Johnson pitched 11-1/3 innings in relief for Washington and struck out 15 (according to the Sporting News record book) or 16 (according to the New York Times box score and article).
2008-07-12 21:21:34
179.   Bluebleeder87
2005 was A-Jones best OPS+ year of

.263/.347/.575 |.136

I gotta tell you guys, looking at Jones's #'s it's just NUTS how horrible he is doing this year.

2008-07-12 21:21:39
180.   MC Safety
Mike Easler said give him until July.

It's July. This can't go on much longer.

2008-07-12 21:21:50
181.   Bob Timmermann
Nothing helps your hitting more than having to face Walter Johnson in the twilight.

That would have been scary.

2008-07-12 21:22:46
182.   Bob Timmermann
There are only 31 days in July. So that leaves 19 more days.

And four of those days are the All-Star break.

2008-07-12 21:22:53
183.   Eric Stephen
The Shimmin Corduroy Watch:

.70235 OPS with 8 PA to go!

2008-07-12 21:23:28
184.   overkill94
177 I would think so. Bay is only under contract through 2009 so he's not exactly a long-term rental. I would actually be pretty hesitant to do an Ethier/Broxton/McDonald deal. I think Ethier and McDonald alone would be enough.
2008-07-12 21:23:38
185.   Bob Timmermann
Alex Gonzalez, on the other hand, had no excuse for striking out six straight times except for the fact that he wasn't particularly good.
2008-07-12 21:24:20
186.   Sagehen
Well that 10 pitch at bat probably earned DeWitt another week's worth of starts. Then Young gets out on the first pitch, so he'll be riding the bench ...

I've just been reading too much about how the kids need to learn to work the counts and go up there with a plan.

Then we find Nomar, who always swings at the first pitch, batting lead off.

Forgive me if I'm just repeating earlier comments -- I haven't read the entire thread lately.

2008-07-12 21:24:41
187.   Landonkk
Torre is in a tough situation. If he sits Jones, he is pretty much saying that he has no faith that he can get out of his funk and it is more than a 'slump'. That, in turn is pretty much calling the signing a failure, and placing blame on Colletti. Meanwhile, the team and it's fans suffer.
2008-07-12 21:25:10
188.   Eric Stephen
No one remembers his 6 Ks probably because a fan interfered with a play later which overshadowed Gonzalez's earlier gaffe(s).
2008-07-12 21:25:59
189.   regfairfield
It doesn't help that Delwyn's sporting Juan Pierre numbers.
2008-07-12 21:26:16
190.   bablue

Well without the contract he wouldn't be in the major leagues that's for sure.

2008-07-12 21:27:56
191.   Bob Timmermann

You have to have a contract to play in the majors. It's one of those legal niceties that they insist upon before a baseball team gives you a dump truck full of money.

2008-07-12 21:28:54
192.   Bob Hendley
"Then Young gets out on the first pitch, so he'll be riding the bench ..."

Alas, you are probably right with Torre. And yet Pee Wee is hitting .375 swinging at the first pitch.

2008-07-12 21:29:42
193.   Bob Timmermann
Pinch hitters go after the first pitch a lot.

Unless they're named Elmer Valo.

2008-07-12 21:30:10
194.   MC Safety
182 Do you know where I can get one of those Christmas calendars with the little chocolates for each day?
2008-07-12 21:31:51
195.   Bob Hendley
189 - Reg, the voice of reason to my Pee Wee craziness.
2008-07-12 21:31:57
196.   sporky
2008-07-12 21:32:02
197.   Bluebleeder87
2008-07-12 21:32:11
198.   Travis08
192 Major league batters are hitting .335 on the first pitch this year, as are the Dodgers as a whole.
2008-07-12 21:32:13
199.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers hit better while the audio is interrupted by flash flood warnings.
2008-07-12 21:32:23
200.   Sagehen
192. Nice stat finding.

I am all for working the counts when the time is right. But I have to wonder if the kids are "failing to fulfill potential" (and I don't think they are the problem) because they are being taken completely off their game by being told to work counts instead of just waiting for a pitch to drive, which might very well be the first pitch sometimes.

Sorry for the long convoluted sentence. I've been repressing my frustration. Now I need a good rant.

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2008-07-12 21:32:28
201.   Eric Stephen
No facial hair, no problem!
2008-07-12 21:32:44
202.   Bluebleeder87
again IF Pierre is healthy we don't see that Ethier HR.
2008-07-12 21:32:55
203.   Bob Hendley
193 - And what a PH he is, batting.364.
2008-07-12 21:33:21
204.   Bob Timmermann
Mattingly is going to impose a new approach:

2008-07-12 21:34:18
205.   regfairfield
195 Always happy to help.
2008-07-12 21:34:24
206.   Sagehen
193. Why do pinchhitters go after the first pitch a lot?
2008-07-12 21:34:32
207.   arborial
157 Vin totally said that Andruw was on his mule. I think that should be his new nickname

Andruw "the Mule" Jones

it even has the appropriate "u" in the middle

2008-07-12 21:34:47
208.   sporky
Here's Andruw's chance to rid himself of his sombrero.
2008-07-12 21:34:54
209.   Bob Timmermann
Elmer Valo was very proud of the fact that he drew 91 walks as a pinch hitter.
2008-07-12 21:35:23
210.   68elcamino427
Is that Ethier's 11th homer for the season to date? Pierre has 12 for his career.
2008-07-12 21:35:33
211.   Bluebleeder87

am I leaving under a rock or something?? where in L.A. county is it raining? it has to be the fires right?

2008-07-12 21:35:35
212.   sporky
Never mind. Upgrade to gold.
2008-07-12 21:36:29
213.   Bob Timmermann
Pinch hitters have been sitting around all game and usually they want to hit the first fastball they see.

I imagine that it's hard to come off the bench and try to pick up a curve.

But I couldn't hit anything, so I'm could speaking out of my posterior.

2008-07-12 21:36:43
214.   fanerman
Designated Fielder!
2008-07-12 21:36:43
215.   Reddog
Could we trade Andruw Jones for Milton Bradley, or maybe Jason Werth?
2008-07-12 21:37:03
216.   The Mootz
"Don't worry,
'bout a thing.
Cause I'm making,
18 million."
2008-07-12 21:37:13
217.   sporky
So is Andruw on a platinum alert?
2008-07-12 21:37:22
218.   Bob Timmermann
You can do that in softball.
2008-07-12 21:38:33
219.   Sagehen
204. That's some of what I'm ranting about. It just sounds like the same old stuff we've been hearing, blaming the kids for lack of quality at-bats or for not having a plan or for not learning to work the count or for not listening to instructions on how to handle at-bats. What is wrong with looking for a pitch to drive and then driving it? I think sometimes they try to think too much and it just messes them up.
2008-07-12 21:38:39
220.   Eric Stephen
That alert center has to be in a place way more remote than Thief River Falls, MN.
2008-07-12 21:39:52
221.   LeeLacy
212 Shirley Bassey should sing a song about the Gold Sombrero.
2008-07-12 21:40:35
222.   overkill94
I really hate it when a Dodger hitter becomes so much of a liability that I always expect the worst when they come up to bat. I literally expect Andruw Jones to strike out every time he comes up to bat.
2008-07-12 21:41:06
223.   Bob Timmermann
I have confidence that Jones won't bat again in this game.

Just like Kuo would never pitch effectively for the Dodgers again.

2008-07-12 21:41:16
224.   sporky
220 Nuussuaq, Greenland?
2008-07-12 21:41:51
225.   Sagehen
I love how Ethier, who would not be playing regularly if Pierre was off the DL, is now leading the team in homeruns.

I heart Andre. Glad he lost the facial hair. He did, didn't he? I'm stuck watching gameday -- no cable.

2008-07-12 21:42:22
226.   bablue

Oh come on you know what I mean. If he didn't have the contract HE HAS he wouldn't be in the majors. You think they would keep some rookie up if he was hitting what Andruw is hitting? No, the only reason he's up is the money and the rep.

2008-07-12 21:42:30
227.   68elcamino427
I'm officially over Jones. If I have no longer have any expectations for him to produce a hit then there are no more worries.
2008-07-12 21:42:37
228.   Bluebleeder87
Saito is just a treat to watch.
2008-07-12 21:42:42
229.   sporky
225 He did. I did a little jig to celebrate.
2008-07-12 21:42:45
230.   Bob Timmermann
If you're going to go remote, go for the most remote spot in the world: Easter Island.
2008-07-12 21:43:26
231.   Bluebleeder87

he's got a rep. to protect...

2008-07-12 21:43:27
232.   Bob Timmermann
No, I did not know what you meant.
2008-07-12 21:45:01
233.   Eric Stephen
Uh oh.
2008-07-12 21:45:10
234.   Bluebleeder87
uh oh, what's going on?
2008-07-12 21:45:45
235.   silverwidow
Saito has an unknown injury.
2008-07-12 21:45:49
236.   sporky
Torre puffy-hearts Falkenborg.
2008-07-12 21:46:08
237.   whodat807
Not good. Not good at all.
2008-07-12 21:46:11
238.   Eric Stephen
Everyday Falkenborg. At least he only needs to get one strike!
2008-07-12 21:46:15
239.   Bob Hendley
All eyes on Sammy.
2008-07-12 21:46:18
240.   silverwidow
Borg is coming in.
2008-07-12 21:46:31
241.   Neal Pollack

Torre is officially off my good list.

2008-07-12 21:46:48
242.   fanerman
Saito! Ahhhh. Why is The Borg coming in?
2008-07-12 21:47:24
243.   bablue

You can do that in the MLB too, I believe. Just have the designated hitter hit for a position player instead of the pitcher. Not often that would happen though. But it definitely happens in high school and college.

And the Borg comes in! I'm actually okay with this as long as he's just coming in to get the last strike and not throw another inning. Knowing Torre though, probably not.

2008-07-12 21:47:32
244.   silverwidow
Broxton as closer era has probably begun.
2008-07-12 21:47:52
245.   MC Safety
I loved the shot of Juan Pierre and Andre Ethier chatting in the dugout after Dre's homer.
2008-07-12 21:48:01
246.   Bob Timmermann
In pro ball, the DH must hit for the pitcher. There is no option.
2008-07-12 21:48:58
247.   Bluebleeder87
The Marlins lead the league in dingers from what I understand & Falkenborg is a fly ball pitcher with laser fatballs. sigh.
2008-07-12 21:49:15
248.   Johnny Nucleo
Dubya Tee Eff?
2008-07-12 21:49:16
249.   Neal Pollack
Torre is a genius.
2008-07-12 21:49:20
250.   whodat807
244 Let's not get ahead of ourselves, here
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2008-07-12 21:49:25
251.   Sagehen
Did anyone tell Torre that just because Falkenborg replaced Proctor on the roster, that doesn't mean that he has to use Falkenborg needs to be used in the same spots where Torre was overusing Proctor? Meanwhile, Beimel has said he's not used to getting so little work. I've been wondering why there are 12 pitchers on the roster when Troncoso has only pitched once this month. Not that I want him in now. But this looks like a spot for Wade. Borg should be doing mop-up duty at this point.
2008-07-12 21:49:50
252.   sporky
Ideally, no Dodger will have to throw another pitch tonight.
2008-07-12 21:49:51
253.   jasonungar07
So we got this going for us at

"We've got to think about getting help with the history of Nomar and injuries," Torre said. "If we do get a shortstop, we know Nomar can play there, at first and at third. If he swings the bat, we'll find a spot for him."

2008-07-12 21:50:19
254.   Eric Stephen
A DeWitt HR in any of his next 8 PA ensures a Shimmin corduroy sighting August 16.
2008-07-12 21:50:26
255.   silverwidow
250 If Saito has an elbow injury, it's not "getting ahead of ourselves."
2008-07-12 21:50:36
256.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Vin just dropped the name of Alejandro Pena - something about how the 1984 ERA champ would shake his arm.
2008-07-12 21:50:36
257.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Vin just dropped the name of Alejandro Pena - something about how the 1984 ERA champ would shake his arm.
2008-07-12 21:50:40
258.   sporky
230 So Easter Island is the sombrero alert center?
2008-07-12 21:50:51
259.   bablue
Well I expect a librarian to be able to read between the lines better than that. ;)
2008-07-12 21:51:04
260.   Bob Timmermann
It is the navel of the universe.
2008-07-12 21:51:04
261.   whodat807
251 Tronosco is on the roster? I had no idea.
2008-07-12 21:51:09
262.   Landonkk
The Saito thing doesn't look good at all.

Fingers crossed that Borg is done for the night. Actually, let's hope all Dodger pitchers are done for the night.

2008-07-12 21:51:27
263.   Bluebleeder87

just guessing here but I think he just sprained it & will go on the DL. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back soon.

it doesn't look really bad...

2008-07-12 21:52:22
264.   Bob Timmermann
I was performing a reference interview.
2008-07-12 21:52:43
265.   whodat807
250 Well obviously, but all we know is that he shook his hand a little. Maybe it's nothing, maybe it's something, but let's not make wild assumptions.
2008-07-12 21:52:45
266.   Bob Hendley
How can Nomar play anywhere if he is injured? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
2008-07-12 21:53:01
267.   sporky
260 But, but... Nuussuaq is the nasal cavity of the world!
2008-07-12 21:53:26
268.   whodat807
265 is re: 255 , not 250.
2008-07-12 21:54:10
269.   sporky
Andy, please be clutchy.
2008-07-12 21:54:19
270.   silverwidow
If Saito needs Tommy John surgery, will Ned make a panic move for a reliever?
2008-07-12 21:54:30
271.   Bob Hendley
266 - ref to 253 .
2008-07-12 21:55:20
272.   Andrew Shimmin
Pinto's going on my list.
2008-07-12 21:55:24
273.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
265 - HE'S GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!
Hm, what? Oh! My bad!
2008-07-12 21:55:29
274.   Bob Timmermann
270 meet 265
2008-07-12 21:56:09
275.   dzzrtRatt
LaRoche: Don't try to be legendary. Just keep the rally going.
2008-07-12 21:56:27
276.   Sagehen
261 Yup. Meanwhile, we've been so short on hitters that we've been seeing the likes of Berroa and Maza pinchhitting. Stultz can hit better than those guys! They make me long to see Repko on the bench.
2008-07-12 21:56:49
277.   Eric Stephen
293 PA
2008-07-12 21:56:58
278.   Neal Pollack
A would like to declare a short moratorium on DeWitt critiques. I would take him and his glove at 3B in the eighth slot. Move LaRoche to left, Kemp to center, and send Jones to an unknown location near the Gulf Of Mexico.
2008-07-12 21:57:14
279.   whodat807
273 If his arm has exploded, do you think we can graft on a cybernetic android arm from the future and him in the closer's slot?
2008-07-12 21:57:22
280.   Bluebleeder87
a few weeks ago I saw Ian Snell (the camera was on him) leave a game with arm discomfort & he had the same mannerisms of Saito but he came back no problem, I hope that's the case with Saito.
2008-07-12 21:57:37
281.   jasonungar07
Were the Raiders. Grandpa is talking about 1997: (and you know god forbid the leadoff hitter can walk, no wonder Ethier or Kemp will be benched soon)

As for Garciaparra, Torre said he was looking for a way to spur the offense over the final two days of the first half.

"We need to get something started. I remember how he was locked in as a rookie [in 1997], 97 or 96 RBIs, of course that was the American League where the pitcher doesn't hit. He's not the prototypical leadoff hitter. He's aggressive, he's not going up there walking. But that puts pressure on the pitcher."

2008-07-12 21:58:02
282.   silverwidow
The Rock!
2008-07-12 21:58:06
283.   sporky
2008-07-12 21:58:06
284.   nofatmike
280 Snell went to the DL after that game.
2008-07-12 21:58:07
285.   Eric Stephen
LaRochambeau with the infield single!
2008-07-12 21:58:25
286.   MonkeyBlue
Come on NOMAR~!
2008-07-12 21:58:41
287.   overkill94
270 That seems a bit excessive for a guy that only felt a twinge in his elbow for the first time in 3 years (as far as we know).
2008-07-12 21:58:49
288.   Andrew Shimmin
From the way he went for a towel, once he got into the dugout, I'd say the chances are fair that Saito has the plague.
2008-07-12 21:59:05
289.   fanerman
Hit! with a runner on base!
2008-07-12 21:59:11
290.   berkowit28
If it goes to extra innings, with a 4-day break coming up, think they'll bring in Lowe?
2008-07-12 21:59:25
291.   whodat807
nice showing from both our young thirdbasemen tonight.
2008-07-12 21:59:33
292.   Bob Timmermann
send Jones to an unknown location near the Gulf Of Mexico.

Neal doesn't like Houston.

2008-07-12 21:59:59
293.   Sagehen
What were we saying about pinchhitters swinging at the first pitch?

Way to go Andy! May you get to play second every time Kent is out of the lineup!

DeWitt worked the count again -- that's why he keeps getting the starts. Nevermind the number of walks and OBA that Andy had his first time up -- that was under a different manager.

2008-07-12 22:00:01
294.   Andrew Shimmin
If Kemp were leading off, and connected in exactly the say way, that might have gone differently.
2008-07-12 22:00:17
295.   Bluebleeder87
279 If his arm has exploded

when arms do that it is NOT a pretty sight, I've seen a few re-peats on ESPN. I really feel it is just a sprain & he will be back no problem.

2008-07-12 22:00:30
296.   Bob Hendley
The little ground ball that couldn't.
2008-07-12 22:00:31
297.   Neal Pollack
2008-07-12 22:00:35
298.   Megaballs
Some things are obvious

1/ Torre goes with hunches and messes with lineups every bit as much as Jim Tracy.

2/ Andruw Jones has gone Steve Blass as a hitter.

3/ DeWitt needs to go back to AA or AAA. Laroche has more talent, always did, needs regular at bats to get in a groove. If you care about Dewitt, send him down while he still feels good about his first stint in the bigs.

4/ Mark Sweeney, 38, is done. He's prolifically bad. A guy named Lindsey in AAA can't get a shot on big league pine. A travesty.

I could go on.

2008-07-12 22:00:45
299.   regfairfield
293 He's this generations Oscar Robles!
2008-07-12 22:01:10
300.   68elcamino427
It's ok with me if Jones just goes home.
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2008-07-12 22:01:11
301.   Bob Timmermann

It could be rickets. Or possibly beriberi.

The smart money is on scurvy. I drove past Saito's house once and he threw a whole bag of oranges at me while yelling profanities in Japanese.

2008-07-12 22:01:57
302.   sporky
Thank god Hanley is out.
2008-07-12 22:02:11
303.   Bluebleeder87


I'm just hoping it isn't bad... seriously my little gut (I went to shaky's piazza earlier today, yummy!) tells me he will just need a little rest...

2008-07-12 22:02:59
304.   Neal Pollack
For whom/what is Torre keeping Kuo? Bring him in and let him pitch until the game is over. He's a better hitter than the other players we've got on the bench?
2008-07-12 22:03:01
305.   Bluebleeder87
I like Troncoso here... his style of pitching at least some what eliminates the dinger.
2008-07-12 22:03:15
306.   whodat807
295 Yeah, I'm being cautiously optimistic. That said, when Vin mentioned numbness (albeit as speculation), I got bad flashbacks to that nerve problem Penny had a few years back. That said, I'm hoping and expecting that it's nothing serious.
2008-07-12 22:03:28
307.   schoffle
Ok all series long Vin has been going on and on about this guy's "vulcan" change as if almost bewildered by the fact that anyone would ever throw such a pitch. So, my question is didn't Gagne throw pretty much the exact same pitch or am just crazy?
2008-07-12 22:04:22
308.   Johnny Nucleo
Maybe Saito spent time at a petting zoo today and is coming down with orf.
2008-07-12 22:04:32
309.   sporky
304 He did throw 3 innings a couple nights ago.
2008-07-12 22:04:41
310.   Sagehen
But Blake knows how to work the count. He obviously takes instruction well. He's the type of player we want on the Dodgers ...

All sarcasm aside, I agree that Andy needs some regular at bats and has earned them at this point. The guy rushes back from the DL only to be rewarded with a trip to AAA and then splinters in his butt in LA? Look, I like Blake. I want to see him and Andy playing 2B and 3B next year. But right now, Andy deserves a shot at the starting 3B job.

2008-07-12 22:04:52
311.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm sorry. I'm sure Mr. [Timmermann] is very funny to Americans, but I'm not sure this butler show would work in Japan.
2008-07-12 22:05:30
312.   Paul Scott
If this goes on for a couple more innings Torre will be forced to put Kuo in when it actually matters.
2008-07-12 22:05:43
313.   Eric Stephen
I'm guessing Kuo gets another day of rest since he threw 3 IP / 47 pitches just two nights ago. He'll be available, along with just about everyone, tomorrow.
2008-07-12 22:07:05
314.   Andrew Shimmin
Hasn't been a flash flood warning in a while. I wonder if I'm still in danger.
2008-07-12 22:07:22
315.   overkill94
All I can think of when I hear Jorge's last name is the Seinfeld episode where Kramer gets a rooster that gets into cock fighting:

JERRY: First of all, I don't think you can make a rooster take a dive.


2008-07-12 22:08:41
316.   overkill94
307 Gagne's was a much more standard circle changeish pitch
2008-07-12 22:09:06
317.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Newman: TAMALE!

2008-07-12 22:09:27
318.   CanuckDodger
Did Troncoso pitch out of the stretch that inning or did he use a wind-up?
2008-07-12 22:10:18
319.   Bluebleeder87

I knew he was used a pair of innings a few days back but for 3!!!

Torre gets paid to manage doesn't he know Saito's back & shoulder woes fromt the past?

sigh. shacking head.

2008-07-12 22:10:34
320.   silverwidow
Saito = Tightness in right elbow
2008-07-12 22:11:03
321.   Bluebleeder87
collective sigh.


2008-07-12 22:11:03
322.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Are we having a Dodger Thoughts night at the ballgame this time around? Last year it was near this time of year, wasn't it?
2008-07-12 22:11:29
323.   Bob Timmermann
Troncoso pitched from the stretch.
2008-07-12 22:12:05
324.   Bob Timmermann
Just a picnic. On August 16 at Elysian Park starting at 11:30 am.
2008-07-12 22:12:13
325.   JoeyP
Gameday has Volstad in.
That cant be right...
2008-07-12 22:12:35
326.   Bluebleeder87

we're gonna have a picnic & softball or wiffleball.

I've never played wiffleball in my life.

2008-07-12 22:12:37
327.   Eric Stephen
Canuck, Tronqueso went exclusively from the stretch last inning.
2008-07-12 22:12:46
328.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Doug Waechter

2008-07-12 22:12:47
329.   Sagehen
322 I believe it's just the picnic. Check the archives from this past week or so.
2008-07-12 22:12:49
330.   Johnny Nucleo
Gameday says Volstad is pitching. This can't be right. Can it?
2008-07-12 22:13:04
331.   sporky
Waechter is pitching.
2008-07-12 22:13:31
332.   Andrew Shimmin
If I were proposing to Waechter's girlfriend, I wouldn't have done it that way. For one thing, I wouldn't want to do it in a place I knew he was going to be.
2008-07-12 22:13:43
333.   Eric Stephen
Waechter? Damn near killed her!
2008-07-12 22:14:24
334.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Gagne did throw that "Vulcan" change.
2008-07-12 22:14:25
335.   sporky
Jones is on deck!
2008-07-12 22:14:56
336.   Marty
Has anyone with iTunes ever had all of their videos suddenly not play on their PC? Mine work on the ipod but not on my PC. They played fine just a few weeks ago when I tried last. I've uninstalled quicktime and itunes and re-installed them with no luck. I'm asking here before I go into tech support hell.
2008-07-12 22:15:11
337.   Eric Stephen
Golden Sombrero leading off the 11th.
2008-07-12 22:15:20
338.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Can't wait for the picnic, fellas. I was in a coma- literally- so I must have missed it.

333 I see what you did there.

2008-07-12 22:15:32
339.   CanuckDodger
223 -- So Broxton, Kuo, Wade, Troncoso, and Wesley Wright for the Astros by way of our farm system. EVERY reliever from our farm system seems to be trained to avoid the wind up even when nobody is on base. I wonder if we are the only organization that has this policy. It is practically a new Dodger Way.
2008-07-12 22:16:19
340.   Sagehen
335 Oh no. I'm getting that sinking feeling again.
2008-07-12 22:16:20
341.   Marty
And by "not play" I mean I get a purple screen. I can hear the audio, but the video is not working.
2008-07-12 22:16:43
342.   larry slimfast
2008-07-12 22:16:49
343.   sporky
341 What kind of file is it?
2008-07-12 22:17:56
344.   MonkeyBlue
Oh boy... Trouble!
2008-07-12 22:18:14
345.   Eric Stephen
I wonder if it is an easier way for potentially wild pitchers to gain control. It certainly seemed that way with Kuo.
2008-07-12 22:19:22
346.   Neal Pollack
I think it's fair to say, at this point, that the Marlins are better than we are.

It's hard to root for this organization sometimes.

2008-07-12 22:19:44
347.   bablue
This is just ridiculous at this point. WE hit two lines drives and they're both outs. They get two liners and they're hits. I can't stop letting out Rule 1 violations.
2008-07-12 22:20:22
348.   whodat807
I gotta stop watching extra inning Dodger games... every one I've watched this year has gone sorta like this.
2008-07-12 22:20:32
349.   Bob Timmermann
Was that your opinion when the Dodgers swept three games from the Marlins in Florida earlier this year?
2008-07-12 22:21:25
350.   sporky
Lots of flirting with Rule 6 today.
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2008-07-12 22:22:00
351.   Marty
343 Videos I've purchased on iTunes. I assume they are Apple-specific formats.
2008-07-12 22:22:06
352.   Johnny Nucleo
If the Dodgers get swept, at least it won't be because they were completely outclassed. Any of these three games could have gone either way.
2008-07-12 22:23:06
353.   Neal Pollack
The Dodgers were definitely better that weekend.

Sorry. I'm a grumpy fan.

2008-07-12 22:23:21
354.   Bluebleeder87
a 2 run lead by the apposition seems like a mountain top these days.
2008-07-12 22:23:43
355.   Future Hall of Famer Matt Kemp
Joe Torre's bracelet doesn't seem to be working... maybe he needs a titanium one.
2008-07-12 22:24:21
356.   whodat807
354 Especially with Senor Jones leading off. It's almost worth it to pinch hit for him, isn't it?
2008-07-12 22:24:54
357.   sporky
351 That's beyond me, then. You might try downloading VLC player.
2008-07-12 22:25:42
358.   sporky
2008-07-12 22:26:27
359.   Bluebleeder87
Destiny is calling boys!
2008-07-12 22:27:49
360.   Bob Timmermann
Bill Russell and Darryl Strawberry will scoff because they didn't need extra innings.
2008-07-12 22:28:16
361.   Eric Stephen
Kevin Gregg has never saved 4 straight games before.

He has saves in each of the last 3 games.

2008-07-12 22:28:31
362.   sporky
Do you boo him or cheer him?
2008-07-12 22:28:54
363.   bablue
Andruw used his PVL to make Cantu come off the bag!!! Clutch!!!
2008-07-12 22:28:57
364.   silverwidow
2008-07-12 22:28:57
365.   Eric Stephen
Platinum, with a twist!

Jones' final line: 5 1 0 0, 5 K

2008-07-12 22:29:02
366.   larry slimfast
2008-07-12 22:29:15
367.   Bob Timmermann
Now that's comedy.
2008-07-12 22:29:24
368.   Eric Stephen
2008-07-12 22:29:25
369.   whodat807
2008-07-12 22:29:36
370.   Reddog
Torre must be impressed with Andruw Jones hustle. Jones can sure teach these young Dodgers how to play major league ball.
2008-07-12 22:29:40
371.   fanerman
2008-07-12 22:30:08
372.   Bob Hendley
When the Dodgers hit poorly, Mattingly said he sees the teams making easy outs during quick at-bats where players appear to be going to the plate "without a real plan," an area he says "needs a major improvement...Mattingly expects his impact to be felt most on the team's young hitters, saying veterans like Jeff Kent and Nomar Garciaparra "know what they're doing" and just need a little help with maintenance.

Nomar 0-0:.250; 0-1:.286; 1-0:.125; 1-1:.111
Kent 0-0:.278; 0-1:.222; 1-0:.323; 1-1:.286
Kemp 0-0:.429; 0-1:.419; 1-0:.462; 1-1:.452

2008-07-12 22:30:19
373.   Bluebleeder87

you definitely gotta cheer him because if he does well so do the Dodgers...

2008-07-12 22:30:44
374.   Johnny Nucleo
Titanium is 6 strikeouts. Personally, I think it should be called an iridium sombrero. Iridium is even more expensive than platinum. Titanium is actually pretty cheap.
2008-07-12 22:31:06
375.   silverwidow
Wait, I thought it was:

Golden = 3
Platinum = 4
Titanium = 5

2008-07-12 22:31:08
376.   tjdub
368 Platinum Titanium. Who would argue about such a thing as sombrero constitution? :)
2008-07-12 22:31:41
377.   arborial
somebody has to pull up the comment from the chat two days ago about Druw "the Mule" getting K'ed as the only way for him to get on base.
2008-07-12 22:31:57
378.   sporky
Silver = 3
Gold = 4
Platinum = 5
2008-07-12 22:31:57
379.   Eric Stephen
Silver is 3
2008-07-12 22:33:26
380.   Eric Stephen
By the way, I'm sure most of you already knew this, but Semi-Pro (which I just saw this evening) is awful. 90 or so wasted minutes.
2008-07-12 22:34:12
381.   MMSMikey
how is it that a team with a 22 million dollar payroll is better at pretty much every position than the dodgers are with a payroll over 100 mil 7th in baseball.

Dodgers - Martin
Marlins - Revolving door

Dodgers - Loney
Marlins - Jacobs
- maybe loney will better one day, jacobs has 19 HR's, a lot more power.

Dodgers - Kent
Marlins - Uggla
- No commentary needed

Dodgers - DeWitt
Marlins - Cantu
-while DeWitt has done an admirable job and is better on defense, cantu has shown bigtime power, what the dodgers need.

Short - I wont even discuss that one, even if furcal was healthy.

Right -
Dodgers - Kemp
Marlins - Hermida
-Dodgers get the nod on this one because of his overall production and ability to steal a base and his defense and throwing arm.

Dodgers - Jones
Marlins - Ross

Just 2 seasons ago the dodgers had cody ross, and would be doing much better today if they still had him. Jones, 5 more K's today and on pace for the worst offensive season in baseball history.

Dodgers - Ethier
Marlins - Revolving door.

Dodgers get the nod on this one.

2008-07-12 22:34:15
382.   silverwidow
2008-07-12 22:34:33
383.   Reddog
I wonder what Colletti thinks about when he watches Andruw Jones strike out 5 times in one game?
2008-07-12 22:34:51
384.   Bob Timmermann
No, 6 Ks should be black. It's not about elements and their value. It's about the levels of stuff you can get with an AMEX card.
2008-07-12 22:35:24
385.   schoffle
316 overkill94

Ok so I googled it and my memory is just fine at least according to several sites including wikipedia. I think that since it Vin's memory in question I am suposed to be polite enough not to notice.

2008-07-12 22:35:50
386.   sporky
Is there a plum sombrero then?
2008-07-12 22:36:17
387.   joemc
every time Andruw Jones strikes out, an angel gets its wings.
2008-07-12 22:36:53
388.   MonkeyBlue
Horrible just horrible.
2008-07-12 22:36:55
389.   Eric Stephen

Shimmin, DeWitt is down to .70211 with 6 PA to go.

2008-07-12 22:37:01
390.   bablue
4 great at bats right there. Jeez.
2008-07-12 22:37:26
391.   regfairfield
381 That's Willingham in left. The Marlins win there.
2008-07-12 22:37:44
392.   larry slimfast
383 blogs and VORP
2008-07-12 22:38:29
393.   Doctor
should look good in 2018 or so. No team can suck for more than 30 years.
2008-07-12 22:38:59
394.   68elcamino427
Wonder if he thinks about Scott Boras?
2008-07-12 22:39:24
395.   Johnny Nucleo
384 Well, a portion of that $18 million did go towards paying for tonight's performance.
2008-07-12 22:39:33
396.   JoeyP
381--Marlins have Willingham, so they may get the edge there too.
2008-07-12 22:40:51
397.   Bob Timmermann
So, if the Dodgers had kept Cody Ross these years, where and when would he have played? Ross was DFA'd when he out of options in 2006. The Dodgers went with an outfield of Ethier-Lofton-Drew that season (for the most part.)

Do you keep Ross around and never bring up Kemp? So is he the fifth outfielder all of 2006? And then all of 2007?

There was no place for Cody Ross at the time. That's just the way it works out sometimes.

Should the Reds have kept Cody Ross around also? Ross was on the Reds before he joined the Marlins.

Cody Ross and Jayson Werth and J.D. Drew are gone. They're not coming back. Such is baseball.

2008-07-12 22:43:15
398.   regfairfield
397 Thank you Bob. Though I was definitely wrong when i said "we'll never miss Cody Ross".
2008-07-12 22:43:36
399.   kinbote
C'mon, McCourt. Let's see a midnight text message to NedCo.
2008-07-12 22:43:52
400.   Sagehen
And now we have Young, Ethier, and Kemp in the outfield. We actually have some pretty good young outfielders. They just don't get to play. Not all of them anyway.
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2008-07-12 22:45:45
401.   JoeyP
397--Dodgers could have sent Repko to Vegas instead of DFA'ing Ross in 2006 which plenty of people questioned at the time.

In 2007, Ross could have been on the roster instead of Luis and Pierre.

It was never a Kemp or Ross decision.

2008-07-12 22:45:52
402.   Bluebleeder87
July 18,19 & 20 will be a show down for complete command of the NL West I'll be looking forward to that.

the all-star game not to much.

Zona will be in L.A. July 31, August 1 & 2. Nice drama the last week of july & early august.

2008-07-12 22:45:53
403.   Bob Timmermann
Some people even miss David Ross. And that's not just a head scratcher. That's a "bang one's head into the wall until you fall over dead with a subdural hematoma and displaced skull fracture."
2008-07-12 22:48:31
404.   JoeyP
397--Also, Werth/Ross would have been a nice platton in CF.

Kemp in RF.
Ethier (or Drew) in LF.

And about 85 mils not committed to Druw/Pierre.

The only nice decision by Ned was Kuroda this off-season. I was wrong on him so far. Kuroda's definitely been worth it.

2008-07-12 22:49:17
405.   Bluebleeder87

it's almost embarrassing saying that... aren't both of us below .500

the blushing NL West.

2008-07-12 22:49:43
406.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger Thoughts - Where Historical Revisionism Comes to Life!
2008-07-12 22:52:50
407.   Linkmeister
Is that the second or third time this month that Jones has had a multiple strikeout game (3 or more)?

How does he stand it?

2008-07-12 22:53:21
408.   Bluebleeder87
are any Dodgers representing in the future's game?
2008-07-12 22:53:52
409.   sporky
408 Ivan DeJesus, Jr. on the World team.
2008-07-12 22:55:09
410.   Bluebleeder87

I bet he doesn't... he just has to ride the wave & hope he gets over it, I'm sure he'll be a better man for it though.

2008-07-12 22:55:15
411.   Andrew Shimmin
He had four on the fourth of July.
2008-07-12 22:55:35
412.   regfairfield
407 On a big pile of money with lots of beautiful women.
2008-07-12 22:56:02
413.   Johnny Nucleo
If Jones plays every game for the rest of the season, that's 120 games, 18 million divided by 120 is $150K per game. Andruw made $150K for tonight's miserable performance.
2008-07-12 22:56:35
414.   MMSMikey
396, willingham, totally brainfarted there, thanks.
2008-07-12 22:56:40
415.   Bluebleeder87

you are sparktaculest Sporky thanks for the info.

2008-07-12 22:56:58
416.   Indiana Jon
I'm convinced that Andruw Jones can't see. You just don;t get that bad that quickly for any other reason. It can be steroids. They make you hit the ball farther, but they don't help you make contact. He just misses everything. I'm positive he just can't see.
2008-07-12 22:59:41
417.   dzzrtRatt
but if he can't see how can he play the outfield well?
2008-07-12 22:59:42
418.   Bob Timmermann
Cody Ross was only on the Dodgers in 2006 because Kenny Lofton started the season on the DL. The Dodgers planned on carrying five outfielders that season:

Colletti tried to trade Ross in the spring because he didn't think there would be a spot for him.

If you wanted to extrapolate from Cody Ross 7 for 14 start that he would be the next great thing, how do you explain that the rest of the season, he went 1 for 5 in Cincinnati and then batted .212 for Florida.

He batted .335 in 2007, but he was only healthy enough to play 66 games.

So, who are all these almighty seers?

2008-07-12 23:01:13
419.   Bob Timmermann
Here are Cody Ross's minor league numbers:
2008-07-12 23:01:34
420.   Andrew Shimmin
Maybe Jones could be a backwards Ankiel. Mental block about hitting, so we could turn him into a terrific relief pitcher.
2008-07-12 23:01:48
421.   sporky
Tony Jackson has a flair for the dramatic. Or he just isn't imaginative enough. Didn't the Dodgers just win 4 series in a row?

>>Dodgers fall to 45-49, and the .500 mark is getting increasingly difficult to envision.<<

2008-07-12 23:02:57
422.   sporky
Diamond says Saito will undergo an MRI exam tomorrow.
2008-07-12 23:05:48
423.   Bluebleeder87
NedCo busted these moves & I dug it:


there is more but I can't think of them right now, I'm cool with him, he does make the bone head move every once in a while (Pierre, Loaiza etc.) but overall his heart was in the right place.

2008-07-12 23:10:29
424.   Johnny Nucleo
418 Bob, you obviously aren't wearing your +3 Monocle of Hindsight.
2008-07-12 23:10:30
425.   ucladodger
Watched the game with some friends, but the last inning was just hilarious. I basically called every pitch that Jones and Kemp called. I have no clue how Andruw doesnt know he's never going to see a fastball. Collapsing your back leg when all you will see are breaking balls is not the way to go. He has to be the worst hitter in the majors right now.

As for Kemp, Gregg's pattern was going to be obvious. Throw sliders until you get ahead in the count. If you fall behind, attack with a fastball. First three pitches were sliders for a 2-1 count. Fouled back (late) on fasbtall down the heart. 2-2. Struck out swinging on a slider. Not that hard to figure out.

Really, this team is so frustrating to watch and is nowhere near as good as we thought they were. The pitching staff is terrific but the offense is so anemic is just doesnt matter.

2008-07-12 23:10:47
426.   jasonungar07
Here are more. Now how does your heart feel?

Andruw Jones
Juan Pierre
Brett Tomko
Mark Henderickson
Danny Baez
Wilson Betimite
Scott Proctor
Nomar (2nd version)
Kent (extension)
Gary Bennett
Angel Berrora
Luiz Gonzales
Mark Sweeney
Shea Hillenbrand
Mike Lieberthal
Brady Clark
Ramon Martinez
Esteban Loaiza
Jason Schmidt
Chad Moeller
Roberto Hernandez
Toby Hall
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Bill Mueller
Julio Lugo
Lance Carter
Elmer Dessens

2008-07-12 23:12:13
427.   Bluebleeder87
I ain't worried about Saito he will be fine, our pitching has been great even Stultsy pitched a great game yesterday we just gotta hit more & to do that Torre has to give La Roche a good look at 3rd base (if I was a manager & knew La Roche sealing was really high it's a no brainer!!) with Pierre out we have the best outfield the Dodgers can field right now.
2008-07-12 23:16:46
428.   Bob Timmermann
Furthermore, the Dodgers kept six outfielders for a couple days after Lofton was activated. But then Jeff Kent got beaned and the Dodgers ended up short in the infield and they had to bring up Oscar Robles.

And then... it was so long Cody Ross.

2008-07-12 23:16:59
429.   Scanman33
426-Seeing that list really drives home what a disaster Colletti has been.
2008-07-12 23:20:26
430.   Scanman33
426-Where's Randy Wolf?
2008-07-12 23:26:46
431.   Indiana Jon
417 If you've ever had bad vision, it's easy to explain. When my eyes begann going bad as a teenager, I couldn't hit anything even before I realized how bad they were. I also played the outfield, but the problem wasn't as bad out there because you have more time. Have you noticed how may times Andruw has had to dive or slide for balls lately? That's because he's not getting the same reads on the ball as when he could see. I mean seriously, what else could explain how bad he's been at his age? It's either that or Lou Gehrig's Disease.
2008-07-12 23:31:18
432.   Bob Timmermann
When Cody Ross was DFA'd more people were complaining that Oscar Robles hadn't made the team out of spring training instead of Ramon Martinez:

This was Jon's suspicions about Kenny Lofton:

Jacob L was a strong Lofton opponent. GoBears was opposed (in a different thread) to getting rid of Ross to bring in Robles.

But I still never found people who truly thought Ross was the solution.

2008-07-12 23:32:54
433.   JoeyP
If you wanted to extrapolate from Cody Ross 7 for 14 start that he would be the next great thing,

No one said he'd be great.
But its not hard to be a "seer" and extrapolate that Ross had better upside than Ledee, Repko, and Cruz.

2008-07-12 23:35:13
434.   jasonungar07
I did it really fast Scanman, I am sure there are other errors good and bad. Add Wolf, Add Furcal, Anderson, Maddux, Lofton etc
2008-07-12 23:38:58
435.   Megaballs
No room for Marlon Anderson, the leader in PHs since 2004, but Denker and his future for Sweeney.

I say we expunge all ex-Giants and start winning games now and next year.

JKent can stay...

2008-07-12 23:42:03
436.   JoeyP
Nice comment by Sanchez101 in that thread.
He must have been one of the few "seers".

your right, but, i think the concern is that Colletti seems to be hemorraging useful young players when they have little to no trade value. A.Perez, Choi and now Ross have all left for basically nothing becuase none of them have gotten enough playing time in the majors to have serious trade value to other teams. you might be able to throw schmoll and milton bradley into that group. Its just a disturbing trend, one of these days he's going to let a good mlb player slip through becuase of his commitment to mediocre veterans. This is probably the biggest contrast between depodesta and colletti

2008-07-12 23:47:26
437.   Xeifrank
I have to call "wishful thinking" on USS Mariners trade idea of SS-Betancourt to the Dodgers for Ethier/Hu. vr, Xei
2008-07-12 23:47:52
438.   Gagne55
436 The same DePodesta that left Victorino unprotected in the rule 5 draft?
2008-07-12 23:51:46
439.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger Thoughts - Where People Only Want They Can't Have or Had Once But Didn't Like It Much at the Time but Now Think That in Hindsight They Should Have Kept It.

I'm never helping anyone here clean out an attic.

2008-07-12 23:52:22
440.   sporky
*I say we expunge all ex-Giants and start winning games now and next year.

JKent can stay... *

That's like saying we should ban all German food except sausage.

2008-07-12 23:53:15
441.   JoeyP
Well, to be fair-->Ross, Werth, Bradley, Drew,and Kemp were/are all still better players.

Protecting a Ruan over a Victorino was a mistake no doubt.

But Colletti's been far worse at valuing youngsters than DePo.

2008-07-12 23:58:27
442.   Andrew Shimmin
First annual DT Bore Off, starting now. Say the most boring thing you can think of. Ready? Go!

Oops. We've got a false start in lane three. . .

2008-07-13 00:00:44
443.   Eric Enders
I have Ramon Hernandez on my fantasy team.
2008-07-13 00:00:48
444.   max power
2008-07-13 00:01:16
445.   max power
that's for 442 folks
2008-07-13 00:01:21
446.   Bob Timmermann
Most boring thing I can think of:
I have a free copy of a book by Mark Shapiro's father on how to prepare for negotiations.
2008-07-13 00:04:36
447.   Xeifrank
442. TV, Movies, TV, Movies, Hall of Fame, TV, Movies, Lost, TV, Movies, Laundry, boo-ing. vr, Xei
2008-07-13 00:04:54
448.   ucladodger
Does anyone here listen to Dodger Talk? Listened for the first time in a while tonight while driving, and my gosh, are those people fools. One caller was saying its not all Coletti's fault because he signed Pierre instead of Gary Matthews and Schmidt insteadf of Zito. What about not signing any one of them because they arent good or damaged goods?

I also thought the beginning of the show was funny when the hosts were talking about rolling the dice as GMs and using Kenny Williams as an example. They talked about whoever could have thought that Danks or Floyd would be good (not even mentioning Quentin). I know KW isnt the greatest GM, but those are all guys with solid minor league track records acquired in deals. Ned has not made one move where the player he receives outperforms the player he traded. Thats a ridiculously sad reality.

2008-07-13 00:06:42
449.   Xeifrank
448. Bill Plaschke screens the callers.
vr, Xei
2008-07-13 00:08:45
450.   Greg Brock
442 Call me Ishmael. Some years ago - never mind how long precisely - having little or no money in my purse, and nothing particular to interest me on shore, I thought I would sail about a little and see the watery part of the world.
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2008-07-13 00:11:17
451.   Eric Enders
Late in the afternoon of a chilly day in February, two gentlemen were sitting alone over their wine, in a well-furnished dining parlor, in the town of P - - , in Kentucky.
2008-07-13 00:11:37
452.   JoeyP
Interesting fact on Shane Victorino.

He was twice taken in the Rule V draft.

May 28th, 2003 by the Padres (Evans left unprotected).

March 30th, 2005 by the Phillies (DePo left un protected, didnt buy him back).

2008-07-13 00:11:48
453.   max power
"Fourteen pitches into the ninth inning of the Dodgers' eventual 5-3, 11-inning loss to the Florida Marlins on Saturday at Dodger Stadium, Saito called it a night -- and, perhaps, a career."

Dylan Hernandez in the Times tomorrow.

2008-07-13 00:12:14
454.   Greg Brock
451 Saw it coming a mile away!
2008-07-13 00:14:47
455.   CanuckDodger
450 -- You think that's boring?! That is a great start to a book (Moby Dick). All the boring stuff comes later, and there is a lot of it.
2008-07-13 00:16:31
456.   Eric Enders
453 I like Dylan Hernandez, but that's a pretty irresponsible line on his part. The rest of the story doesn't contain anything that remotely supports the notion that his career could be over.

FWIW, his last pitch was a 95 mph fastball.

2008-07-13 00:18:31
457.   Bob Timmermann
Saito was throwing oranges at Dylan Hernandez too.
2008-07-13 00:18:57
458.   max power
456 I noticed the same exact thing. That's practically tabloid television style. I wouldn't have got away with that at my college newspaper.
2008-07-13 00:21:36
459.   jasonungar07
442 Now batting, number #9, Juan Pierre.
2008-07-13 00:23:15
460.   max power
442 Actress Angelina Jolie gave birth to a boy, Knox Leon, and a girl, Vivienne Marcheline, by Cesarian section on Saturday night.
2008-07-13 00:28:30
461.   bhsportsguy
Kenny Williams has more than once dealt the future for the present. Fortunately, Carlos Quentin has worked out. And due to poor scouting and dealing prospects for veterans, the White Sox system was ranked near the bottom in 2008.
2008-07-13 00:38:25
462.   Eric Stephen
Pretty good piece by Bill Dwyre in the Times on how the paper covered the Campanis Nightline interview.

I didn't realize it was the same night -- April 6 -- that Hagler beat Leonard yet was denied the win by the judges.

2008-07-13 00:46:26
463.   Eric Stephen
How the heck was a middleweight championship scheduled on a Monday?
2008-07-13 01:27:42
464.   underdog
442 "Good evening, I'm Rick Monday. {Etc}"


Boy, that sucked. I came home late and watched that one in the archives. Tried to skip ahead where I could but now I'm just wondering why I bothered. Oh yeah, because I thought for sure the Dodgers would win.

Ah well.

Guess it's hard to call tomorrow a "must win" game with completely a straight face but it sure feels like it. Night!, Morning!

2008-07-13 02:59:58
465.   Benjamin Miracord
442 "Around the hotel table sat Dodgers executives discussing trades.

"In the corner sat the old scout watching television."

2008-07-13 04:32:39
466.   Dodger Jack
LaRoche got his eighth hit of the season last night pinch-hitting. For those keeping track:

DeWitt: .330/.372/.263

LaRoche (2007-2008): .346/.328/.216

And, yes, I would package Kemp for Matt Holliday.

2008-07-13 06:01:36
467.   Ken Noe
442 "The Dodgers are on the clock."
2008-07-13 06:38:06
468.   Andrew Shimmin
Very boring. Well done, people.
2008-07-13 06:55:51
469.   Andrew Shimmin
If I had to bet my car on which of DeWitt or LaRoche would do more with the remaining plate appearances Dodger third basemen will accrue over the rest of the year, I'd take LaRoche. He did more in the minor leagues, hasn't been substantially worse in the majors (his isolated peripherals are better, even), and he's older--closer to his expected peak.

If I thought either LaRoche or DeWitt were likely to continue doing about what they've done in the majors so far, I'd ship them both out for Jack Wilson. But that's the thing--you can't straight line project player performance based on 294 PAs (or 162 for LaRoche). If that's all the data you're willing to use, you might as well bet the car at the roulette table.

Do roulette tables take cars?

2008-07-13 06:56:19
470.   Andrew Shimmin
Oops, look at that. NPUT.
2008-07-13 07:01:59
471.   Andrew Shimmin
Cheapest cycle ever.
2008-07-13 07:59:03
472.   Dodger Dawg
I thought Druw's signing was a good one. In hindsight I didn't get to meet with him before the signing. I wonder if Ned ever did, and if so wouldn't his weight have been some sort of red flag? How do you sign a grossly overweight guy and expect him to perform?

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