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Sad Sammy
2008-07-13 06:09
by Jon Weisman

Start your comments with an S to save sore-armed Takashi Saito. Sigh.

Comments (152)
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2008-07-13 06:27:33
1.   Ken Noe
Samurai Sammy Saito--Strikeouts, Save, Smile----Sure Sad Sammy's Sinew Strained.
2008-07-13 06:42:46
2.   D4P
72 (Eric E., on Andruw Jones, from previous thread)

I think it goes without saying that any player who sucks that bad is busting his hump trying to get batter

Ba dump bump.

2008-07-13 06:46:11
3.   bhsportsguy
Saito season ender, say it ain't so, Sammy.
2008-07-13 06:47:45
4.   xaphor
Saito's super screwy screwball suckering star sluggers suspended. Sunday's solemn solace; suspect sorrowful soliloquies.
2008-07-13 06:53:21
5.   Dodger Dawg
Sorry to see you go Sammy. Season over.
2008-07-13 06:56:03
6.   Marty
2008-07-13 06:56:48
7.   D4P
So solly, Sammy-san.
2008-07-13 06:59:15
8.   Andrew Shimmin
2- Spoilsport.
2008-07-13 06:59:39
9.   dianagramr
Suspect Broxton subs for Saito?
2008-07-13 07:03:51
10.   D4P
72 starts "s-e-v-e-n-..."
2008-07-13 07:35:31
11.   bleedsblue
Surely Sammy's sore sarcomeres don't spell season stop. Solely smallest strain. Squash sadness, subsume sanquinuity!
2008-07-13 07:49:24
12.   xaphor
Surely 8 "eight" doesn't though :)
2008-07-13 08:04:03
13.   D4P
Surely Shimmin started shenanigans. (See 78 subtract 70 ).
2008-07-13 08:12:26
14.   Andrew Shimmin
2008-07-13 08:22:33
15.   tjdub
Season sadly sans serendipity so far (save for CHP I suppose).
2008-07-13 08:30:01
16.   DXMachina
Such a shame, so suddenly sans Saito.
2008-07-13 08:30:42
17.   Ken Noe
9 Suppose some supersized strikeouter saves Sunday. Still, Saito's somebody special.
2008-07-13 08:34:45
18.   RELX
Sucks for Sammy, break for Broxton.
2008-07-13 08:52:49
19.   Suffering Bruin
2008-07-13 08:55:31
20.   D4P
Sufferin' succotash.
2008-07-13 09:01:26
21.   Eric Stephen
Savior to start today in Billingsley.
2008-07-13 09:02:42
22.   Eric Stephen
Shimmin is likely to wear corduroy August 16. I think we should also set up pink slip roulette; is gambling legal at Elysian Park? :)
2008-07-13 09:04:56
23.   D4P
Shimmin is likely to wear corduroy August 16

With pleats, with a long-sleeve button up tucked in, held up with a leather weave belt. Plus shoes and socks.

2008-07-13 09:06:37
24.   Icaros
So, does Shimmin's restraining order even allow him to visit public parks?
2008-07-13 09:07:45
25.   Bob Hendley
Save Our Sammy.
2008-07-13 09:11:41
26.   Lexinthedena
Suddenly super Sammy succumbs, so super sized strikeout slinger steps up. Solace?
2008-07-13 09:13:33
27.   Eric Stephen
San Diego Union-Tribune reported that DePodesta will be back with the Padres for 2009. He will make around $500k, the story speculates.

The article mentions that DePodesta was guaranteed $500k per year in his contract with the Dodgers (ending in 2008), but I remember his contract being 5 years, $4m ($800k per year).

2008-07-13 09:13:48
28.   Bob Timmermann
(This comment starting with S was removed by Rule 1)
2008-07-13 09:16:46
29.   Bob Hendley
28 - So, there was an accent issue?
2008-07-13 09:17:21
30.   Eric Stephen
"See Rule 1 for the reason why this comment was removed" would have worked better. :)
2008-07-13 09:19:51
31.   Eric Stephen
Sikahema knocked out Canseco last evening. If I ever returned a kickoff for a TD with Sikahema on Tecmo Super Bowl, I would taunt my opponent with "Vai vai" as he raced past the defenders.
2008-07-13 09:21:48
32.   autumnlanding
2008-07-13 09:22:17
33.   autumnlanding
solution: sue Stan!
2008-07-13 09:22:19
34.   Eric Stephen
Said of Jose Canseco by Sikahema:

"He's a very impressive-looking guy, but the guy is a walking corpse, because he's rotted inside out. He's a pathetic figure."

2008-07-13 09:23:21
35.   Greg Brock
Sadness :-(
2008-07-13 09:24:19
36.   Andrew Shimmin
Since the cords were only 36 inches, unfinished, they couldn't be cuffed. They are pleated, though.

Still think I'll be wearing chinos.

2008-07-13 09:29:17
37.   Bob Timmermann
So Saito diagnosis won't come until Monday. MRI techs don't work Sundays.
2008-07-13 09:30:04
38.   regfairfield
So where is it reported that Saito is gone for the year?
2008-07-13 09:35:56
39.   Bob Timmermann
Supposition News.
2008-07-13 09:39:56
40.   Bob Hendley
36 - Sartorial dilemma: pleated with no cuffs versus cuffed but above the ankle with similar colored socks (preferably ribbed).
2008-07-13 09:47:24
41.   Bob Hendley
Say, has anyone here heard the Baseball Project (LP, CD, whatever)?
2008-07-13 09:57:13
42.   Prescott Pete

(Stay strong Sammy.)

2008-07-13 10:01:24
43.   StolenMonkey86
So Joe Torre isn't satisfied and needs to give me more reasons not to like him:

"We'll sacrifice the speed to get someone who'll give us quality at-bats," Manager Joe Torre said. "We need to get something started."

This was on leading off with Nomar instead of Kemp. Maybe it was because he was 2-11 in the first PA of the game, but more likely it's because Torre would rather see a ball put into play for an out on the first pitch than a strikeout.

2008-07-13 10:01:32
44.   Neal Pollack
So sad, Sammy. Seek satori?
2008-07-13 10:02:12
45.   StolenMonkey86
28 - Shazam!
2008-07-13 10:03:57
46.   PDH5204
Says PDH5204, King Felix left the game after .1 IP on April 18, 2007, owing to elbow tightness, was out until May 15, 2007, and then went on to pitch 170+ innings that year following his return. So also he does not appear to have ruptured his ulnar collateral ligament as was the case with TJ. So further forearm tightness is a much better predictor re need for TJ surgery than is elbow tightness. So there's hope.
2008-07-13 10:04:34
47.   Ken Noe
So, sombrero sporting, smiling, supersized snacking striker sadly seems sans stroke, spent. Sit said subject Sunday? Send somewhere? Suck salary, say sayonara? Same for snakeskin-shoe sporting, Sabean-student supervisor?
2008-07-13 10:07:12
48.   StolenMonkey86
Stop the presses! Baseball Reference has a free PI preview through July 19!
2008-07-13 10:09:26
49.   underdog
Salad days never arrived for the Dodgers this season; it's been more like a

Sam Peckinpah movie.

So impressed, I am, with those of you above who did all-S posts above.

Sammy: get better soon.

's up to you, Big Ox.

2008-07-13 10:12:09
50.   underdog
Soccer rescheduled from Sunday morning to Sunday evening at Seven. So I slept in but still have to figure what to do with the rest of my Sunday. Oh yeah, the Dodgers. Guess I'll suffer and sweat along with everyone else and say a prayer for a victory.
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2008-07-13 10:15:49
51.   still bevens
So is Falkenborg our new setup man or what?
2008-07-13 10:16:39
52.   kinbote
Somewhat hoping for Dodgers to lose embarrassingly today to get the winds of change moving.
2008-07-13 10:20:30
53.   kinbote
So simple for McCourt to say: "We just weren't moving in the right direction." I know he has this reputation as a serial canner [!], but this time it's warranted.

Isn't there a children's story about a sports team owner who is constantly making rash moves and people react--then all of a sudden he actually HAS to make a rash move and nobody believes him?

2008-07-13 10:23:24
54.   Bob Hendley
Sinking sensation that Andy will never see the light of day unless Joe starts getting creative. LF? Seems like Kid Gumption has cemented himself at hot corner by doing just enough.
2008-07-13 10:24:52
55.   LogikReader
Soooooooooooooooooooooo good to be back on DT!

This new is not the best way to start our week, but I hope the best for Saito. What a drag.

I was on a trip to NYC over the last week. Man it was exciting! I got to try all sorts of things to eat, but strangely, the best thing I ate there was BBQ. I went to a place called "Virgil's" and it was really good. The pulled pork was fantastic. I didn't even have to add sauce.

Far as the best pizza I had, I felt it was a tie between Di Fara in Midwood and Grimaldi's pizza under the Brooklyn Bridge. Funny thing was, right after leaving Grimaldis, there was this HUGE line outside to get in! I did not know it was that popular.

NY Baseball: There seems to be a growing sentiment among writers that the two teams have sold out with the new stadia. There was a paper called the "Village Voice" that took a huge quote from Alex Belth/Bronx Banter about this. I'm not used to newspapers quoting our baseball toaster writers.

Yankee Stadium is.... well.... old! If you thought the DS upper concourses were small, wait until you try a sold out game at Ruth's house. Holy cow, it was slow as molasses getting out, but nevertheless, the place is incredible once you get to your seat. Good game too, it's the one where Abreu hit a walkoff double. So its a treasure to be sure, but I think a new ballpark is welcome.

Speaking of, the New Yankee stadium looks really nice from the outside! It's basically a replica of the old stadium with wider concourses, and basically wider seating areas.

ps: if you ever go to Yankee Stadium, skip the Dog and get the chicken fingers. Those puppies are good! Almost everyone had their own chicken fingers at the Tier Level.

Shea Stadium: it is what it is... it reminds me of a bowl of cereal. However, the crowd was much more laid back, and for whatever reason, I had more fun at Shea. Mr Met lived up to the hype. I also was surprised how much they use the organ there. Sight lines were, of course, lousy, but the scoreboard is huge. Shea appears to be larger than Yankee stadium. I had a chance to see some views of Citi Field. That is going to be a remarkable ballpark. My only gripe is... why are they stealing all the Dodgers' ideas? Its basically Ebbet's Field in a big parking lot. Come on Mets...

New York was a ton of fun! but even so, I'm so glad I'm back here in Santa Barbara, and in California. I missed this place to death... the mountains, Dodger baseball, the beatiful ladies, good burritos, good hamburgers, heck even taco bell!

I'm sad for Sammy... man, this is just not our year is it?

2008-07-13 10:28:58
56.   Bob Timmermann
So is today the last day of misplaced Cody Ross nostalgia?
2008-07-13 10:31:03
57.   underdog
55 Sweet!

Shea always seemed like a dump to me, so I think the new ballpark will be a godsend.

You missed the fire in SB, too. (I was there to enjoy it though!)

2008-07-13 10:31:42
58.   underdog
56 Sadly, probably not. Surely some out there did not read the last few threads.
2008-07-13 10:33:03
59.   berkowit28
Enough with the S's.

Kershaw got a win, a shutout (6-0), allowed two hits and a walk over 7 innings - and got an RBI!

2008-07-13 10:36:10
60.   underdog
Sweet! Yeah I saw that result last night. Surprised there weren't that many people talking about it.

Odds on when he comes back up? I can imagine the Dodgers moving either Park or Stults to the bullpen and calling him up if Saito goes on the DL.

2008-07-13 10:36:45
61.   Bob Hendley
59 - Sacrilege!
2008-07-13 10:40:22
62.   Neal Pollack
So....did you all read this morning that Sweeney and Pierre will be back after the All-Star break, or soon after? Saito goes on the DL in favor of Sweeneys. Pierre comes up, and either Maza or, knowing the "Dodger Way", LaRoche goes down.

This team is winning nothing, not a playoff game, not a division. Nothing. What a joke.

2008-07-13 10:44:51
63.   LogikReader
Saw the Gap fire, but I'm guessing it was controlled sometime between when I left and when I came back. "Sweet!" is a very clever way to start a post, underdog.


2008-07-13 10:48:18
64.   larry slimfast
Somebody seems to still want to snark about supplemental Cody Ross scenarios. Surely ignoring it would be the safest way to settle said situation.

Sine qua non Sammy Statement: Somebody please, stop the bleeding.

2008-07-13 10:54:07
65.   Bob Timmermann
Set-tos over supplemental Cody Ross scenarios should seem silly once we see Shane and Jayson play for the team in the silly small stadium.
2008-07-13 10:54:41
66.   D4P

Juan Pierre = $9 million/year
Andruw Jones = $18 million/year

Cody Ross = $390 thousand/year

2008-07-13 10:56:18
67.   Reddog
I'm actually perversely hoping Andruw Jones continues to strike out 5 times every game now until they bench him. I also think that may hasten Colletti's departure.

And if they don't DFA Sweeney, then I don't see much hope for this team.

2008-07-13 10:58:54
68.   D4P
I'm actually perversely hoping Andruw Jones continues to strike out 5 times every game now until they bench him

Nothing perverse about that. Andruw and his multi-colored sombreros = comedy gold.

2008-07-13 10:59:00
69.   Bob Timmermann
Sailing through space on D4P's special space-time continuum ship.
2008-07-13 11:01:18
70.   LogikReader
Someday, NedCo will be moved to some other job and the Dodgers will stop sending our talent to other teams.

Make today your Someday. This paragraph sounds like a commercial I heard somewhere.

2008-07-13 11:01:28
71.   goofus
It's not love for Cody Ross et al, is disgust for the players Ned kept or brought in instead of keeping the ones we had. I don't have to name names...
2008-07-13 11:02:14
72.   larry slimfast
67 ,68 Submit!
2008-07-13 11:02:26
73.   Neal Pollack
They are not going to DFA Sweeney and they're not going to bench Jones. Sweeney will continue to pinch hit in all the key spots, despite the fact that Delwyn Young is now officially one of the league's best pinch-hitters. Andruw will bat fifth or sixth because he once was an All-Star. We will all continue to go bald and gray at a rapid pace.
2008-07-13 11:02:42
74.   Icaros
So it goes...

D4P has come unstuck in time.

2008-07-13 11:02:49
75.   fanerman
Some workers are doing construction on the unit upstairs. Since I haven't had much sleep lately, I was really looking forward to sleeping in today. So much for that idea. So annoying!
2008-07-13 11:03:26
76.   D4P
is disgust for the players Ned kept or brought in instead of keeping the ones we had

Not only that, but more specifically, that Ned thinks players like Pierre are worth $9 million a year and players like Ross are worth nothing. It's the huge gap that bothers me the most. Even if you think Juan Pierre is better than Cody Ross, I can't imagine thinking he's $9 million/year better. But that's how Ned "thinks".

2008-07-13 11:04:08
77.   Bob Timmermann

Signing off

2008-07-13 11:04:45
78.   Icaros

Simply watching the commercials during each Dodgers broadcast will provide us with several options to put a stop to your last sentence.

2008-07-13 11:07:49
79.   max power
Some serious Rule 8 action going on...
2008-07-13 11:09:47
80.   kngoworld
Sunday's lineup:

Kemp, RF
Ethier, LF
Martin, C
Garciaparra, SS
Jones, CF
Loney, 1B
LaRoche, 3B
Maza, 2B
Billingsley, P

2008-07-13 11:10:11
81.   D4P
Stay the night, let a little of your love show

(If I could ) stay, then the night would give you up

(And you say), stay

(We got tonight, who needs tomorrow, we got tonight babe, why don't you) stay

2008-07-13 11:11:03
82.   D4P
So, Torre wants the Quality At-bats™ in the cleanup spot today, rather than the leadoff...
2008-07-13 11:12:02
83.   Ken Noe
Hilarious. Bison back leading off after all that blathering about quality at-bats.
2008-07-13 11:12:16
84.   underdog
Still, for me, I'm going to look at the positives in the line-up, including Andy getting a start.

Don't blow it Andy!

2008-07-13 11:13:30
85.   regfairfield
Was there any indication prior to 2007 that Cody Ross would be anything but a 5th outfielder who was out of options? Those types of players literally are worth nothing. You can replace them on the cheap easily, just look how hard Russell Branyan has to work to get a job every year. If what we thought of Cody Ross in 2006 was getting substantial playtime, you aren't going to win a thing. At least Andruw Jones had the potential to be a good thing (yes, I know you disagree with me here D4P).
2008-07-13 11:13:41
86.   sporky
80 Sweet.
2008-07-13 11:17:13
87.   Bob Hendley
Sacre bleu! Ze Andy Man starting.
2008-07-13 11:18:41
88.   jasonungar07
Seriously believe that Jones will K 4 times today.
2008-07-13 11:18:46
89.   sporky

>>FWIW, Mitch Poole was in the process of putting together a Dodgers jersey with the last name "Wilson" on the back. He made a Clemens one last year with the trading deadline coming up.<<

2008-07-13 11:20:31
90.   D4P
Was there any indication prior to 2007 that Cody Ross would be anything but a 5th outfielder who was out of options?

He slugged over .500 5 years in a row in the minors, from 2002-2006, never OPSing less than .848.

Does that constitute "Can't Miss Superstar"? Probably not (unless your name is Matt Kemp, in which case your head would be annointed with oil).

But does it constitute "an indication prior to 2007 that Cody Ross would be anything but a 5th outfielder"? In my opinion, yes. Yes it does.

2008-07-13 11:22:51
91.   ToyCannon
More then a few were upset when we released Cody Ross. I was not among them but those that were have every right to crow about being right. Just because some of us saw no value in Ross didn't mean that they were wrong if they did, and time has proven them to be correct.

Just because the numbers said 5th outfielder doesn't make it so.

The numbers also said the Marlins would be the worse team in the NL East this year. That ain't happening.

I still don't understand the dismay, the games we have lost have been close just about every night. The Indians had higher expectations then the Dodgers and they are close to being the worse team in the AL. Now that is a team the fans can cry woe over.

2008-07-13 11:22:55
92.   Ken Noe
Olney wonders if Ned will now turn his sights on Huston Street. Oh, Beane could do bad things to Ned.

2008-07-13 11:24:32
93.   regfairfield
90 .857 OPSes with over 100 strike outs in Vegas from a 24 year old is not impressive.

How does Ross stay on the team in 2007? He'd be coming off a year of .227/.293/.431 and he'd be competing with an out of options Jason Repko for the job.

Then again, maybe if Ross was on the team, he would have been playing center that day and Furcal doesn't get hurt.

2008-07-13 11:24:37
94.   D4P
Beane could do bad things to Ned

I predicted Laroche for Embree a month or so ago.

2008-07-13 11:25:12
95.   regfairfield
91 Second worst. I don't think anyone saw anything in the Nationals. That could still easily happen.
2008-07-13 11:25:30
96.   D4P
.857 OPSes with over 100 strike outs in Vegas from a 24 year old is not impressive

But is it $9 million/year less valuable than Juan Pierre...?

2008-07-13 11:27:05
97.   ToyCannon
As much as your continual negative tone bugs the crap out of me, I'm forced to admit I don't think anyone on DT has been as right as you have been projecting future expectations on not only our players but on how Ned's mind works.
2008-07-13 11:27:09
98.   Bob Timmermann
I don't just don't see what the use of all the "crowing" is.

The water is under the bridge. The milk has been spilled. The bed has been made.

As for me, I'm going to take my bed and throw it off a bridge and pour milk on it.

For most it's just a desire to get people to look at them as they say "I called it!"

2008-07-13 11:27:11
99.   regfairfield
Well, you can use that to justify anyone getting playtime.
2008-07-13 11:28:28
100.   Bob Timmermann
That's bought us all about five more years of misery.
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2008-07-13 11:31:19
101.   D4P
The thing that frustrates me is that I don't feel like I say anything rocket sciencey. I generally feel like I state the obvious/most likely to occur based on "new stats" principles and such, which I would expect my mentors around here to agree with. But they generally don't, which surprises me.

If you're not nice, I'll put a wooden block between your legs and break your ankles with a big mallet.

2008-07-13 11:33:05
102.   ToyCannon
Most of us have have a little ego and hope our baseball expertise can be used to make correct projections. I for one would be giddy if A Jones broke out of his slump instead of showing me to be an idiot for championing his signing this off season.

I expect everyone here would hope that LaRoche produces when he's given the chance not only because it will help the Dodgers but because we want to be right about something that seems so obvious.

2008-07-13 11:35:27
103.   immouch
re - kemp batting 7th:
so, is joe torre serious? nomar and pierre might be the two worst players in the bigs when it comes to "quality" at bats. i can't think of two players who are more inclined to swing at the first pitch, not work the count, have low OBP relative to their batting avg., etc. kemp posted a .344 obp in the leadoff role. yeah, he looked goofy a few times. and, yeah, he also hit (pierre, feel free to dream about this) some home runs...the abject stupidity of many dodger decision makers is starting to tick me off.
2008-07-13 11:36:06
104.   Bob Timmermann
See, if you don't project or predict anything, and you just try to figure out what's going on with what's available, you get a different perspective.

I don't want to be a pundit. I just want to be a pedant.

2008-07-13 11:37:37
105.   Bob Timmermann
And I put my ego in a blind trust.
2008-07-13 11:38:27
106.   Howard Fox
the problem is not Jones in CF, even tho slow and fat, he still is a terrific, the problem is that Torre bats him 5th...

and LaRoche is in only cause it's a lefty on the mound???

a terrible game by the bums today, and I suspect some kind of move is made during the all-star break...maybe a trade, maybe a front office move...but McCourt won't be able to resist with several off days to think about things...

2008-07-13 11:39:13
107.   sporky
Is Ivan DeJesus, Jr. playing 2B in the Futures game?
2008-07-13 11:40:03
108.   Marty
102 Spot on.
2008-07-13 11:40:34
109.   Ken Noe
When I took freshman psych, my teacher told us that there were three stages to decision making: (a) making the decision, (b) regretting it, (c) coming up with reasons to live with making it. If the decision is "Ned must go," Cody Ross is a (c).
2008-07-13 11:42:24
110.   Howard Fox
102 I want both to do well cause I bleed Dodger blue...but at this point, I don't have a lot of faith in either one of them...doesn't mean I won't root for them
2008-07-13 11:43:08
111.   ToyCannon
Yes, because Elvis Andrus is playing SS.

DeJesus started quite a few games at 2nd base prior to the futures game. I wonder if it was just to help him be ready for this game since he can only be looked at, as a SS for us.

2008-07-13 11:44:00
112.   Eric Stephen
Superior Dodger backstop Russell Martin was in the Futures game only 3 short years ago.
2008-07-13 11:44:06
113.   D4P
Question regarding the relative importance of defense vs. offense, using Jones as an example:

I'm wondering if it's mathematically possible for a centerfielder's defense to "make up for" a .167/.261/.253/.514 offensive line over the course of a season.

In 2008, Dodger centerfielders are averaging nearly 3 chances per game. I would think that, on average, at least 2 of every 3 chances will be "easy" plays that pretty much any CF could make. That means that, on average, a CF will have no more than 1 really hard play to make, such that a great CF will only really matter on no more than 1 defensive play per game, on average.

On the other hand, if you're in the starting lineup, you can expect 3-5 PAs per game in which you have an opportunity to have a direct and significant impact on the game.

Does it really make sense to think that 1 defensive play will (on average) matter more than 3-5 PAs...?

2008-07-13 11:45:39
114.   ToyCannon
Right, my hope for the Dodgers supercedes my need to be right. I'm still rooting for Kent to put up a historic 40 year old season but other then spurts it does not look likley.

Other then Jason Philips playing 1st base I can't say I've openly rooted for a player to suck since the Kevin Brown era.

2008-07-13 11:47:05
115.   Eric Stephen
Shortstop turned second baseman Ivan DeJesus is 2-3 with a walk, but probably won't continue the Dodger MVP tradition in this game.
2008-07-13 11:47:48
116.   ToyCannon
I was at last years game and Hu was the MVP. A year later and what do you have?
2008-07-13 11:48:01
117.   ucladodger
DeJesus looks nice in the game. 2 hits and a walk, showing his usual plate discipline.
2008-07-13 11:49:28
118.   ToyCannon
That seems obvious. I don't think anyone here could possibly argue that A Jones defense makes up for his current line. Now if you use last years line then let the discussion begin.
2008-07-13 11:50:30
119.   Eric Stephen
Sadly, the vision of Hu's future is as cloudy as if seen from Hu's own eyes.
2008-07-13 11:51:03
120.   Alex41592
Phillies have their one chance against Webb right now. 1st and 2nd with one out. Victorino is up. 2-1 AZ Bot 5.
2008-07-13 11:51:51
121.   Bob Timmermann
I don't even Andruw Jones thinks his defense makes up for his offensive woes.

However, Andruw Jones is only having a bad year because D4P foretold it.

2008-07-13 11:51:54
122.   ToyCannon
Lou is out of control regarding his players on the all-star team. Carlos Marmol has sucked for a month now and will probably need arm surgery two weeks after the all-star game.
2008-07-13 11:52:09
123.   D4P
Well, maybe I'm misinterpreting, but it seems as if some around here are saying that Jones belongs in the lineup because of his defense.

I guess my question (which may be tough to answer) is this: at what point is a player's offense so bad that his defense can't make up for it? Has anyone ever tried to quantify this in triple-slash, EQA, etc. terms?

2008-07-13 11:52:22
124.   Bob Timmermann
And Andruw Jones is not improving solely out of spite for us.
2008-07-13 11:52:25
125.   Eric Stephen
Seriously people, the teacher is away but he had one request for today (start each post with S)!

Let's stop hurling spitballs and passing notes while the substitute sits at the desk. :)

2008-07-13 11:52:44
126.   D4P
Andruw Jones is only having a bad year because D4P foretold it

"Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen..."

2008-07-13 11:52:54
127.   Ken Noe
116 Probably just a kid who rushed up a year too early for big league pitching, and he was still better than Ol' Man Snipes. He'll be a decent shortstop for somebody if not LA.
2008-07-13 11:53:05
128.   Bob Timmermann
Marmol was next in line with the players votes for relievers, so Hurdle didn't have a choice about taking him.
2008-07-13 11:53:18
129.   ToyCannon
The thing is several posters foretold of A Jones having a bad year but I think they would be the first to say that a bad year for them meant repeating last years line not becoming the worse hitter in baseball.
2008-07-13 11:53:42
130.   Neal Pollack
Has there ever been a worse 4-5 combo than Nomar and Jones?
2008-07-13 11:54:36
131.   ToyCannon
Sorry, I thought that had come and gone when happy go lucky Berk buddy said no more.
2008-07-13 11:55:46
132.   Ken Noe
129 All I ever wanted out of him was last year's numbers. It never occurred to me that he could get so bad so quickly.
2008-07-13 11:56:43
133.   Eric Stephen
Sacrificing 3 straight games in July of 2005, Jim Tracy's pen wrote the following 4-5 combo:

C J.Phillips
2B A.Perez

2008-07-13 11:57:40
134.   Bob Timmermann
On 9/2/2005, the Dodgers trotted out Ricky Ledee and Jason Phillips in the 4-5 slots.

The Dodgers lost to the Rockies 11-3.

Phillips and Ledee went 1 for 9 in the game.

2008-07-13 12:00:44
135.   ToyCannon
As bad as the summer of 2005 was, the fall of 2005 was even worse, or is that crying over spilled milk?
I guess that term means more in other parts of world today then it does here where we spill our soy.
2008-07-13 12:01:07
136.   D4P
Even "trotted" might be hyperbole in Phillips's case.
2008-07-13 12:01:50
137.   D4P
Short Chris Young OPSing under .700
2008-07-13 12:01:54
138.   max power
125 Teacher's pet! :)
2008-07-13 12:03:52
139.   Megaballs
We're below .500, but not far enough away from the playoffs to tank it.

What we need is a Beane trade. One with an eye for this year and 2009-2010. We need to add a talented middle infielder in AA or AAA who's blocked.

We have good pitching. Phillys desperate for starters and in first. Seem to be set with Rollins and Utley. Lowe's going and we'll get the two first rounders. But like Cleveland Shapiro says, the odds are long for mid to end of first round actual players.
Scout the heck out of this Philly kid we been hearing about. And around the league.

We have no Nomar, Furcal and Kent next year.
We have a few possibilities in Hu, Dejesus, Abreu, Dewitt or Laroche. What we've seen is when you have unproven guys, you need numbers. You can't give it to a guy.

Great organizations fill their pipeline at the A level, the AA/AAA level, early players each and every year.

We need MORE of a commitment to young players. I have no confidence that Ned would do this since other than Milton/Ethier, he never has added talented youth. And he's a lame duck feeling the pressure...a dangerous mix.

The last thing we need is to subtract a young talent while commiting to the free agent market for middle infielders in the off season.

2008-07-13 12:04:24
140.   ToyCannon
Slovenly Indians giving one time Baseball Prospectus number one prospect Andy Marte one last chance to prove he's not a Laroche.
2008-07-13 12:04:41
141.   Eric Stephen
Sucking up, I'll probably bring an apple on August 16.
2008-07-13 12:06:06
142.   Eric Stephen
Shortly, Andrew will point out that Marte's contact rates in the minors were not as strong as those of LaRoche.

And besides, LaRoche is "the best....around!"

2008-07-13 12:07:00
143.   ToyCannon
Seems that is another CF I was wrong about.
2008-07-13 12:07:52
144.   D4P
LaRoche is "the best....around!"

Some things that might be gonna ever keep him down:

1. Poor performance
2. Injuries
3. Management

2008-07-13 12:08:47
145.   Eric Stephen
Strike 3 to Ryan Howard did not look so to me. Still, nice pitch by Webb.
2008-07-13 12:10:45
146.   D4P
There's an invisible NPUT up there, unannounced by Bob.
2008-07-13 12:10:54
147.   ChicagoDodger
Quick question for anyone that knows.

If Furcal does not play anymore in 2008 and signs with another team in the offseason, do his stats qualify as a player the Dodgers would get 2 picks within the top 50 for?

Just checking.

2008-07-13 12:12:50
148.   Ken Noe
139 I'd move Lowe to Philly today for any of Carrasco, Marson, Donald, or Harman. But Ned? Nah.
2008-07-13 12:15:05
149.   Eric Stephen
Soreness in the back will likely prevent Furcal from gaining Type A status. Last year (using 2006-2007 stats), Furcal was the best Type B. But replace his 2006 with 2008 and he's surely not going to be a Type A. He might not even be a Type B (which would fetch a sandwich pick only).

2008-07-13 12:17:56
150.   goofus
Anybody got a pool going on who bottoms out their batting average, Sweeney or Andruw?
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2008-07-13 12:34:39
151.   Bob Timmermann
2008-07-13 12:44:06
152.   Tripon
Who has a lower batting avg, the pitchers on the team, or Sweeny and Andruw Jones?

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