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JV Division Heats Up
2008-07-18 05:30
by Jon Weisman

In our little corner of the baseball world, this is the start of something big: showdown after showdown with Arizona. In the words of Steve Martin, "Are you feelin' it?"

Comments (276)
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2008-07-18 06:38:41
1.   Ken Noe
I'm feelin' it like I'm at the Opp Rattlesnake Rodeo

2008-07-18 06:48:08
2.   Bob Hendley
I imagine that the Dodgers braintrust got together over the break and it would be interesting to see if this results in any changes to the approach in areas such as use of Druw/Andy. Tings is startin' to get serious, folks.
2008-07-18 07:12:32
3.   bhsportsguy
2 Torre and Ned were in New York but I doubt they had anything but a few phone calls regarding Saito.
2008-07-18 07:27:21
4.   bhsportsguy
And you could try and find Bob Timmermann,0,4006711.story

2008-07-18 07:33:17
5.   bhsportsguy
I am guessing someone was paid to design this image

2008-07-18 07:53:13
6.   kinbote
Is it too late to say?: Boots of Spanish Leather
2008-07-18 07:54:50
7.   El Lay Dave
Idle side thought: When the Yankees activate Sexson, is Boom Boom Betemit the guy to go?
2008-07-18 08:05:25
8.   Bob Timmermann
They don't tell you where the trolley drops you off at Dodger Stadium.
2008-07-18 08:10:31
9.   underdog
7- doubtful. They have some other dead weight they could jettison first. I'd take him back over Berraza tho.
2008-07-18 08:15:52
10.   underdog
This series will be a battle between two flawed, injured but talented teams. Each matchup should be tough. Too bad the rest of the country won't be paying any attention.
2008-07-18 08:17:08
11.   old dodger fan
I'd rather give Wilson the PH duties than Sweeney. Ken Noe on the other hand would rather have anyone over Sweeney.
2008-07-18 08:40:17
12.   Doctor
So is Pierre the only Dodger in history to return ahead of prognosis from a injury? Looking like maybe next week....
2008-07-18 08:44:15
13.   MollyKnight
I know I'm probably going to be laughed into next Tuesday for saying this, but my prediction is that someone from the JV division is going to streak its way into the playoffs and steamroll the Brewers and Cubs into the World Series. (And I don't think it will be a team in blue).
2008-07-18 08:52:27
14.   Lexinthedena
13 If your refering to the team in Sedona Red, then your not crazy. They have the pitching for series'.
2008-07-18 08:54:38
15.   underdog
There's no reason to think that if AZ can do that, then the Dodgers can, too. The Dodgers also have pitching for a short series vs. anyone. We shall see, but stranger things have happened than either one of those teams making a deep run.


Hmm, I guess Tony Jackson took the week off from blogging after the All-Star game.

2008-07-18 08:56:25
16.   Lexinthedena
15 True, but the Dodgers have so many holes. So many. It all depends on how/if Raffy comes back.
2008-07-18 08:57:37
17.   underdog
16 True, but the DBacks don't?
2008-07-18 08:59:01
18.   MC Safety
I'm not feeling good about us facing Cy Davis tonight.
2008-07-18 09:04:42
19.   Doctor

Some of my most frustrating TV moments have come VS that guy.... he just isn't as good as he is… Maybe it's the lounge chair wind-up.

2008-07-18 09:11:28
20.   wronghanded
Call me the blind optimist but the Dodgers are overdue to erupt on Davis, I'm counting on it tonight!
2008-07-18 09:20:18
21.   apsio

Nomo was time I guess.

2008-07-18 09:22:15
22.   Ken Noe
11 I'd take old dodger fan over Sweeney. And I'm talking as a pinch hitter.
2008-07-18 09:26:46
23.   D4P
I'd take whomever Sweeney was pinch-hitting for over Sweeney.
2008-07-18 09:28:27
24.   old dodger fan
23 That's a better choice than 22 .
2008-07-18 09:29:00
25.   underdog
Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner is guest on NPR's Fresh Air today. It's on right now here, but I'm sure will air again later and be available on podcast after that.

Today is already a good day because I got "Spaced" the entire series (by Shaun of the Dead's Simon Pegg and Edgar Wright) on DVD, out next week, today from Warner Brothers for review. I was going to buy it! Oh man, I can't wait. So many extra goodies, too.

2008-07-18 09:29:24
26.   silverwidow
Perhaps a roster move tonight. Two guesses:

*Kershaw up, Park to pen
*Meloan up, Park stays in rotation

The first option makes the most sense. If they decide that Meloan is more valuable in relief with Saito out, then the second could happen. I don't they'll let Meloan start.

2008-07-18 09:30:20
27.   Ken Noe
24 You can make an out as well as Swingy, and cost less. Plus we wouldn't have to hear about how pretty your swing is as you miss strike three.
2008-07-18 09:44:30
28.   old dodger fan
27 I'm ready. I'll even pay my own way to AZ. I'll probably have to stop reading DT though. You guys would brutalize me.
2008-07-18 09:44:40
29.   Indiana Jon
26 If it's option one, then we might see a hitter called up tonight instead since Kershaw isn't scheduled to start again until Tuesday. My guess is Repko for the weekend.
2008-07-18 09:45:46
30.   Indiana Jon
28 Will you play at the prorated league minimum? We could get Bonds for that amount, but I would rather have you. You are clean right?
2008-07-18 09:47:52
31.   ToyCannon
Why would they bring up Kershaw now when he just pitched last night?
2008-07-18 09:48:40
32.   kene
I definately feel it!
The Dodgers can pick up 3 games on Arizona.
Should be some great pitching this series.

Lets see what Broxton can do as the closer this time around.....I think he will do well this time.

Lets see the offense wake up!

As I said I am definately "feelin it"....too bad I won't be home from work till 7:15, Arizona with their dang 6:40 games!

2008-07-18 09:48:42
33.   Bob Timmermann
Stop being so ... practical.
2008-07-18 09:48:53
34.   arborial
30 I am sure it wouldn't be at the league minimum but has anyone even considered Bonds as an NL DH aka Pinch Hitter. I have to admit that as much as I hate the guy, his bat sounds awful nice right now.

That is assuming he could put on a Dodger uniform without getting shot.

2008-07-18 09:52:51
35.   old dodger fan
30 I'll even give 10% to DT and yes I'm clean as long as they don't test for caffeine.

On the serious side, Bonds would help us and I hope we don't sign him.

2008-07-18 09:52:56
36.   jasonungar07
12 Did you read that somewhere ? If not I call rule 3 violation. lol :-) Directly at me.

....3) baiting other commenters....

2008-07-18 09:58:34
37.   Doctor

Yea, DailyNews... was out last week I was just trying to ignore it....

Juan Pierre, out since June 30 with a sprained ligament in his left knee, is scheduled to travel with the team on the next road trip to Arizona, but might not be activated until the next homestand. Trainer Stan Conte told Torre that Pierre is ahead of schedule on his recovery....

2008-07-18 10:06:21
38.   KG16
37 - Stan Conte tells Torre that everyone is ahead of schedule on their recovery. And then the player gets activated for a couple of days and ends up on the 60 day DL.
2008-07-18 10:06:44
39.   silverwidow
31 Aside from Meloan, there isn't anyone in Vegas worth calling-up (pitcher or hitter). And a move has to be made, eventually.
2008-07-18 10:07:49
40.   El Lay Dave
37 Eyewitnesses at the last series reported that Pierre still looked pretty gimpy. One can only hope that Dodger management can be aligned on the idea that a guy whose only asset is speed shouldn't be activated with a knee that is less than 100%.
2008-07-18 10:09:26
41.   D4P
Eyewitnesses at the last series reported that Pierre still looked pretty gimpy

And his arms looked really weak.

2008-07-18 10:10:44
42.   old dodger fan
38 Hmmm... Is that a strategy?
2008-07-18 10:12:16
43.   KG16
42 - nope just a pattern. Conte did the same thing with Little last year.
2008-07-18 10:15:39
44.   bhsportsguy
41 I just saw him in the dugout so its not like I saw him trying to run or in batting practice.
2008-07-18 10:18:33
45.   jasonungar07
Hmmmph...Mediate on this I will.
2008-07-18 10:19:55
46.   blue22
40/44 - Pierre always looks like that though. He's got the Willie McGee/Kenny Lofton walk goin' on.
2008-07-18 10:22:50
47.   sporky
This t-shirt is all kind of awesome (via Rob Neyer's blog):

2008-07-18 10:32:19
48.   Louis in SF
As ugly as it sounds does JP coming off the DL earlier than we had hoped mean the Dodgers don't go out and make any stupid trades? And if Andru continues to struggle and by his own admission he is still not 100%-the platoon is JP and Andru?
2008-07-18 10:35:17
49.   El Lay Dave
46 Mickey Rivers!
2008-07-18 10:36:36
50.   KG16
48 - that's what a reasonable person would do. an unreasonable person, however, would say that the Bums need the extra PVL in the outfield, I mean, after all JP and Dru both have rings. It doesn't matter that they've been outperformed by the other two guys thus far, JP and Jones are PVL, it's going to click for them in the second half and they will lead the Dodgers to the promised land.

And my only response to that is: Yo, barkeep!

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2008-07-18 10:40:01
51.   Mike De Leon
I hope any move the Dodger 'brain trust' makes doesn't include bringing up Kershaw. In his first stint we all saw the consequences of management's tight leash. He had absolutely no stamina. He has great stuff but when he gets tired his control goes in the toilet. Let him actually pitch in AA and build up his arm strength, learn to pitch rather than just throw and learn how to hold runners on. If the team needs to replace Sammy in the pen bring up Meloan.
2008-07-18 10:40:55
52.   The Trolley Dodger
5 My head is spinning! ;)
2008-07-18 10:42:35
53.   Doctor
Meloan allowing way way way too many baserunners/inning to be considered for any role in the bigs. Dont you think ? I cant see him getting the call.
2008-07-18 10:45:21
54.   sporky
IIRC, Kershaw only has 60-70 innings left for the year. I wonder if he'd see some time in the bullpen.
2008-07-18 10:46:47
55.   old dodger fan
Why are LA and AA seemingly the only options for Kershaw? We do have a AAA team after all. Isn't it customary for a player that kills them at AA and struggles at the ML level to go to AAA rather than back to AA?
2008-07-18 10:52:22
56.   sporky

Clayton Kershaw's hard work doesn't pay off for Dodgers

By Ez and Dylan Hern

2008-07-18 10:53:02
57.   jasonungar07
Yeah I can see a 2nd half lineup with Jones, Pierre, Nomar and Wilson.
2008-07-18 10:56:59
58.   GoBears
These last few posts have me thinking (which is rare, I know).

51 suggests that Kershaw still has stuff to learn, and should stay in AA or AAA to work on that stuff. This is a reasonable idea. Sometimes you want pitchers to learn this stuff in the minors, because of the luxury of not caring much about Wins and Losses - failure is OK if it's a step to learning.

53 suggests that Meloan's performance has not been adequate to warrant a callup. This is also a reasonable position. But what if Meloan's recent "failings" are precisely because he's working on things and not caring much about outcomes so much as learning?

At the major league level, unless the season is a lost cause, there's a premium on results. For young players, in whom the team has an investment, and for whom the real payout should be in the future, what is the best way to judge readiness? If Kershaw just isn't challenged at AA, then how much can he improve there? How can he practice holding runners if he never allows any runners? Should he be told to walk guys, at the risk of looking, a la 53 like he's "allowing...too many baserunners?"

I guess my real point is not that the balance is impossible to strike, but that it's hard for us as desk-chair analysts to know WHY minor league players, especially those on the cusp, are putting up the numbers they are, and what they exactly mean. On average, we believe that Minor League numbers are meaningful enough that we can produce Major League Equivalents, but in a short time-span, for an individual player, it's hard to know what the numbers mean unless you know what the player and his coaches are really trying to do. I think we all understand this about Spring Training stats (that they're "meaningless" because different players are working on different things), but why wouldn't the same be the case for guys like Kershaw and Meloan who have had a cup of coffee, and been sent down to improve on something?

I think we've discussed how we're seeing this with Matt Kemp this year at the plate. He seems to be working on stuff (particularly plate discipline/pitch recognition, with predictably mixed results as he learns. The unfortunate thing for Kemp (and, maybe, for the Dodgers in the short run) is that he's trying this at the major league level, on television.

2008-07-18 10:58:02
59.   Mike De Leon
55. Because Kershaw hasn't been killing them at the AA level because management had him on such a strict pitch count before he was called up- he was pitching less than 5 innings in his starts which translated to no arm strength/stamina. I attribute a lot of his control problems in the show directly to that. Were he to be promoted to AAA I think he'd have the same problems there that he had in L.A. So I'd leave him AA.
2008-07-18 10:59:54
60.   El Lay Dave
54 67 games remaining / 5 starters = 13+. If the fifth starter is skipped two times, 11 starts for him. 11 starts * 6 IP/start = 66.
2008-07-18 11:03:06
61.   GoBears
59 I'm not sure how that post is consistent with your previous one, unless you think that the main thing he needs to work on is just stamina (more pitches per game). Because if AAA hitters would challenge him more than AA, it doesn't seem a bad idea to move him to AAA.

If your argument has nothing to do with skill, but just with stamina, then I guess you're right that AA is just as good. On the other hand, if there's anything to the notion of pitchers working harder in higher-leverage situations (e.g., with runners on base and better hitters at the plate) then perhaps stamina might also be a function of the level of the challenge.

2008-07-18 11:03:40
62.   El Lay Dave
Sounds like there's a fine line between holding down workload and building up stamina.
2008-07-18 11:04:02
63.   Mike De Leon
59. Forgot to add that he also needs to learn another hard pitch like a slider. Right now he throws the FB, curve and on occasion a change. His Curve is amazing but he uses his FB more than anything a slider looks like a FB until it breaks so fools hitters. AA would be a good place to learn and get it down.
2008-07-18 11:12:45
64.   GoBears
63. OK, I don't know if MDL is correct about his diagnosis, but if he is, then his prescription seems reasonable. If the prescription is administered, and Kershaw DOES spend the next couple months working on his slider, then we need to remember that and not get down on him because his walks go up or he hangs a few and allows more HRs in the mean time.

And that still raises the question about why AA and not AAA. Wouldn't AAA batters be more likely to jump on mistakes (or take bad pitches), thus accelerating his learning curve? If one can get away with mistakes in AA, then one is less likely to learn how to avoid those mistakes in the future.

2008-07-18 11:14:20
65.   Mike De Leon
61. Because I figure he'd get tired and then get rocked then get pulled early at AAA. If that were to happen he wouldn't be working on his stamina or anything else. Too IF, and it's a big if, management has him working on another pitch, which I hope, at first he's not going to have any control over it, which would result in his early exit at AAA.
2008-07-18 11:15:53
66.   KG16
62 - yes, yes there is. holding down workload can actually be detrimental to building stamina. if your a runner and you always run 3 miles, you'll be fine running three miles, you might even be world class at 3 miles. but if you try to run 5 miles, you're not going to be able to do it. same principle. the goal should be to build, slowly and steadily.

three outings with a pitch limit of 70, then three at 80, four at 90, five at 95, and then a few at 100. that would actually make some sense.

2008-07-18 11:16:25
67.   silverwidow
Vegas in the Summer = HR heaven.

That's why he's not there.

2008-07-18 11:17:40
68.   Bob Timmermann
KJ Choi is the only golfer on the happy side of par at the British Open. But it's a retro tournament with Greg Norman and David Duval on his heels.
2008-07-18 11:22:21
69.   Xeifrank
67. Yes, most of the stadiums in the PCL are suppose to be hitters parks due to the altitude and I guess the heat. Not exactly the type of place to fine tune your stuff.
vr, Xei
2008-07-18 11:26:43
70.   old dodger fan
69 So why is it we train our best prospects there? In fact, why does anybody except maybe the Rockies?
2008-07-18 11:26:56
71.   underdog
Yeah, I don't think AAA should even be in the argument. It's either, he needs to stay down in AA where he is, or he should come back up to the majors. AAA will do nothing for him. If he needs to fine tune a pitch and work up stamina, then fine, keep him in Jacksonville. Or bring him up to LA and put him in the bullpen.
2008-07-18 11:29:27
72.   underdog
70 It's more convenient for the team than for our "next in line" players to be on the other side of the country. Plus Vegas itself isn't quite as bad as some of the other PCL parks in terms of being launching pads. And of course, some of our best prospects are often in A and AA anyway. Half, or more than half, of the Vegas roster is AAAA type players and rehabbing veterans. The prospects that are there are either hitters or some pitchers who are just trying to refine control and the Dodgers aren't quite as worried about their actual ERA (and hopefully their egos are strong enough to take some shots at their confidence).
2008-07-18 11:30:18
73.   berkowit28
What is a "retro" tournament? Far from Greg Norman being on Choi's heels, Norman was in with his (cumulative) level par while Choi was far back on the 12th hole or so. Choi was on Norman's heels, getting one birdy after another, leveling on the 17th, until he finally overtook Norman with another birdy (he had a chance at an eagle) on the 18th. Duval has also been on both their heels, but is faltering at the 16th as we speak - he drops back to 2 over. Meanwhile Villegas (who he? you may ask) has been just one off Norman (so 2 behind leader Choi) since finishing a long time back.

* Courtesy of the BBC website which updates every few minutes (I moved to golf shortly before the cricket finished for the day).

2008-07-18 11:36:13
74.   underdog
Btw Diamond Leung just posted a hilarious old GI Joe educational video that he thinks fits CL Hu and Andruw pretty well. "See" for yourself.

2008-07-18 11:38:18
75.   El Lay Dave
66 Kershaw threw between 83 and 104 pitches in six of his eight MLB starts. One of the shorter starts was the game where he didn't resume pitching after the rain-delay.
2008-07-18 11:39:04
76.   KG16
74 - "and knowing is half the battle" I use to love those psa's.
2008-07-18 11:40:01
77.   El Lay Dave
73 "retro" indicating that Norman, Choi and Duval's peak success were a bit in the past.
2008-07-18 11:40:05
78.   KG16
75 - then concern over his pitch count/work load is stupid. let him throw, see what happens.
2008-07-18 11:40:40
79.   berkowit28
74 uh...not so hilarious, sort of dull/blah. But OK.
2008-07-18 11:42:12
80.   berkowit28
77 Ah, got it. Thanks. It must take retro vets to conquer that wild weather. ;-)
2008-07-18 11:43:07
81.   old dodger fan
Here we are talking about golf and educational videos. This AS break has been far too long. I need tonights' line up and I need it now.
2008-07-18 11:43:07
82.   underdog
79 Maybe not hilarious, how about "chuckle-worthy"? It was for me anyway, just for its cheesiness and for Diamond's reasoning for showing it. Hey, everyone's a critic!
2008-07-18 11:47:09
83.   Jim Hitchcock
This might be an alternative to Cafe Press:

Apparently they design, print and compress T-shirts for $2.95. And the have a live videocam showing their warehouse operations. They're busy little beavers!

2008-07-18 11:47:11
84.   El Lay Dave
80 You know those PVL golfers, they approach each shot with a plan!
2008-07-18 11:49:49
85.   Bob Timmermann
Choi isn't retro, but Norman (who is 52) would qualify. Duval is just 36, but he hasn't won in a while.

Van de Velde is just 5 strokes out!

2008-07-18 11:49:59
86.   natepurcell
Kershaw has a WHIP of less than one at Jacksonville. Yes, you would like to see more Ks than innings pitched, but I think you can say he is pretty much dominating AA.

As for another hard pitch, I think the Dodgers have a philosophy of not teaching their young pitchers sliders unless they already have that pitch coming into the organization. Like Billingsley though, Honeycutt is going to most likely help Kershaw throw the cutter. Hes going to be awesome with that pitch.

2008-07-18 11:54:33
87.   D4P
John Daly a mere 30 shots off the pace...!
2008-07-18 11:56:07
88.   Xeifrank
83. and you only have to order a minimum of 504 shirts. vr, Xei
2008-07-18 11:56:54
89.   Bob Timmermann
Don't you mean 29 strokes? Daly is +28 and Choi finished at -1.

John should be at the airport by now.

2008-07-18 11:57:19
90.   natepurcell
Anyone have a good reason why the A's didn't receive Jason Donald in that package for Blanton? Bobby Crosby is horrible and they don't really have anyone AA prospects in the pipeline. Donald is essentially almost MLB ready and could start next year.
2008-07-18 11:58:12
91.   D4P
The British Open website tells me that John shot 80-89, to finish 29 over par.

2008-07-18 11:59:52
92.   blue22
90 - Perhaps Beane is getting his starting shortstop from someone else (hmm...who could that be?).
2008-07-18 12:01:05
93.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, so it is. I was on ESPN's site. Which I swore did show 28, but now shows 29.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

2008-07-18 12:02:04
94.   D4P
ESPN's leaderboards are often slow/incorrect.
2008-07-18 12:03:35
95.   Bob Timmermann
Thank you for humoring me.
2008-07-18 12:03:42
96.   GoBears
I guess they're not the Worldwide Leaders in Leaderboards, eh?
2008-07-18 12:03:59
97.   jujibee has a nice article up about Bryan Morris finally getting better from his TJ and dominating the league once again.
2008-07-18 12:04:37
98.   natepurcell

Andy Laroche can't play shortstop.

2008-07-18 12:05:56
99.   Lexinthedena
98 Dejesus gets a lot of walks. isn't that all those "Moneyball" guys care about?
2008-07-18 12:06:44
100.   natepurcell

I know. I wanted to make a joke because thats how I deal with my sadness.

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2008-07-18 12:06:46
101.   fanerman
Don't we have a SS prospect in Vegas?
2008-07-18 12:07:00
102.   GoBears
It had to happen. Headline on

Nicklaus wonders if money has made golfers soft

Oy vey.

2008-07-18 12:07:50
103.   GoBears
101. You mean Ramon II? I don't think Beane will it.

Colletti might, but not Beane.

2008-07-18 12:08:23
104.   GoBears
er, I meant "will fall for it."
2008-07-18 12:08:35
105.   blue22
101 - Yes! Rex (don't call me Todd) Rundgren for Huston Street!
2008-07-18 12:13:20
106.   Xeifrank
A roster move from AA or AAA, or does Colletti torcher us with a trade?
vr, Xei
2008-07-18 12:14:03
107.   underdog
If Morris and Elbert are both back as strongly as it appears they are, our young pitching could be loaded again.
2008-07-18 12:15:14
108.   underdog
Actually with De Jesus in the wings, would people do a Hu for Street trade or is that totally stupid? I'm generally not in favor of trading for relievers because they are pretty easily replaceable from within usually, and that's how Beane feels too. So Hu is probably too much.
2008-07-18 12:15:20
109.   D4P
Some people have a hard time grasping/acknowledging how good Tiger is, and as a result, they think that his competitors must not be trying very hard.
2008-07-18 12:19:04
110.   blue22
108 - Actually, isn't it that Hu is probably not enough? Huston Street is a pretty quality reliever under contract for 2 more years after this. I think Beane holds out for more than just Hu.
2008-07-18 12:21:06
111.   natepurcell

His homerun rate has really skyrocketed this year.

2008-07-18 12:23:20
112.   KAYVMON
My local paper ran a story on the cover of their sports section that read "In Major Leagues, young teams proving experience is overrated."

Has the mainstream media been as blunt elsewhere, or has the extent of it just been Tamba Bay is good and young?

2008-07-18 12:27:55
113.   blue22
111 - I don't know about skyrocketing. 6 in 42 innings, vs 5 in 50 innings last year.

And 3 of them this year came in the first 3 games of the year.

His peripherals still seem very solid, if a little down from previous years.

2008-07-18 12:29:37
114.   silverwidow
My friend just ordered a Subway Feast, double meat, double cheese, w/bacon and avocado.

The looks on the employees' face were hilarious.

2008-07-18 12:31:14
115.   blue22
Trading for a reliever is always a shaky strategy, but I think Street is of a higher quality than Danys Baez, Jeff Shaw, or other dubious "Proven All-Star Closers".
2008-07-18 12:34:16
116.   Suffering Bruin
114 Doesn't that order come with a fist full of blood thinners?
2008-07-18 12:34:27
117.   Eric Stephen
Holy crap that's a lot of food. The Feast in and of itself is massive.
2008-07-18 12:35:35
118.   blue22
114 - That reminds me of this guy, who sought out to order the most expensive drink possible at Starbucks (he had a free drink coupon that he conveniently didn't mention until they rang up the drink)

2008-07-18 12:36:18
119.   silverwidow
116 117 He's only 20 and eats once a day or something. That's what he told me.
2008-07-18 12:39:42
120.   Bob Hendley
114 - Did he have to sign some sort of waiver? Lawyers are all over this sort of stuff.
2008-07-18 12:41:59
121.   Bob Hendley
118 - Bob once bought a $20 cup of coffee in a Starbucks (he didn't have a coupon).
2008-07-18 12:44:41
122.   Bob Timmermann
Just twist the knife in deeper.
2008-07-18 12:47:20
123.   Eric Stephen
Ahh, the metabolism of youth. At the DT picnic, I think we should all pitch in and see if young Nate can drink a gallon of milk in 15 minutes.
2008-07-18 12:48:32
124.   Bob Timmermann
Who is going to drink the quart of olive oil?
2008-07-18 12:49:49
125.   Louis in SF

Hu is the prospect in Vegas, he is just coming off the DL

2008-07-18 12:51:48
126.   Dodgers49
Tony Jackson is back on the job: :-)

Time is now for Dodgers to make push

>> PHOENIX -- Proving yet again that baseball isn't run by math teachers, the Dodgers will begin what is officially considered the season's "second half" tonight when they open a three-game series at Arizona. <<

2008-07-18 12:53:31
127.   Eric Stephen
2008-07-18 12:59:36
128.   goofus
Wonder how Kent missed this list?
2008-07-18 13:07:17
129.   Mike De Leon
75. But he lost his control when he hit around 80 pitches and was sent/left out there to see if he could re-gain it.

In the rain out he went 3.2 innings and still threw 83 pitches. Against the Rocks he went/threw 5/102, the only other time he went over 100 he threw 104 against the Cards and went 6. Against the Pads he went 5.1/95, Det 4/65, Cle 5/85, WSox 4/69 and Stros 5.2/90. That tells me he lost his control before/at around 80 or in some cases around 55-60, and was sent out or left out to see if he could re-gain it, which he didn't. Assuming that his loss of control is because he got tired than yeah, his stamina/arm strength comes into question.

86. Cutter, slider what ever as long as they get him to learn another hard pitch. Anything except a splitter, which is hell on shoulders and elbows and what I think is what happened to Penny.

2008-07-18 13:36:41
130.   El Lay Dave
129 The rain-delay was in Detroit - 4 IP / 65 pitches. These sample sizes are too small, but here are his splits by inning:

For what little it's worth, his walk rate is worst in the 3rd and better in the 4th than in any of the first three innings. He did pitch in full 4th inning in all but one game, 2/3 of the 4th in the other.

2008-07-18 13:40:36
131.   Penarol1916
109. Don't forget about those of us who have a hard time caring.
2008-07-18 13:41:15
132.   Jim Hitchcock
Ya gotta love this line from Larry Bowa in the Times today:

"Somebody from the West," Bowa said, "will be in the playoffs."


2008-07-18 13:44:11
133.   El Lay Dave
Huh. Leave your message for Russell Martin with Josh Rawitch:

Feel free to leave your congratulatory messages here for Russell and I'll pass along the stack when I see him next week. While I can't make it a habit of bringing messages to the players every day or my entire day would be spending doing so, I think this is a special occasion and he deserves to know what you all think.

2008-07-18 13:45:49
134.   68elcamino427
Larry Bowa should be the Dodgers designated team spokesperson whenever the Dodgers won/loss record is less than .500.
2008-07-18 13:46:18
135.   Jim Hitchcock
133 We need to do a group congrat from Dodger Thoughts.
2008-07-18 13:46:53
136.   Bob Hendley
Things are getting testy around here. Where's that lineup?
2008-07-18 13:55:35
137.   D4P
I pity you.
2008-07-18 13:56:30
138.   underdog
131 You can just remedy the situation by starting up Futbol Thoughts!


It's a little early for the line-up, actually. Should check back in an hour or so.

2008-07-18 13:58:53
139.   Disabled List
114 I had a friend who once ordered a DOUBLE kingburger topped with chili and a fried egg at Fatburger. He ate about half of it before keeling over.

The funny part was, he specifically ordered it without cheese. Because that would be, you know, extra calories.

2008-07-18 14:00:34
140.   Frip
They should play soft classical and ambient music in libraries. The silence makes things a bit stale.
2008-07-18 14:04:12
141.   D4P
Comment 33 , previous thread.
2008-07-18 14:07:49
142.   underdog
139 The fried egg is a nice touch. For me that would almost be like that "waffer thin mint" given to Mr. Creosote in Monty Python's the Meaning of Life, the final piece that puts you over the top.
2008-07-18 14:10:52
143.   Disabled List
I have never brought myself to actually order the fried egg on top of a Fatburger. But I imagine it would be really good, especially with chili on top. MMM!!!
2008-07-18 14:11:48
144.   goofus
Used to be a place in Orange County, can't remember the name but believe it was at Harbor Blvd and Chapman, had a "dinner" called "The Pig Trough". It was an honest to god serving tray completely filled and rounded-off of all the dishes they served, cost $35 or something like that, that was back in the seventies. If you could finish it, you didn't have to pay.
2008-07-18 14:16:07
145.   Jim Hitchcock
144 It would have been better if it would have been at the corner of Cleese and Chapman...
2008-07-18 14:17:19
146.   Reddog
Andruw Jones usually orders three double doubles with extra cheese at In-and-Out, and washes it down with three chocolate shakes. That's his normal pre-game snack.
2008-07-18 14:18:48
147.   Penarol1916
137. My inability to appreciate golf from a spectators vantage has made me a small, petty man.

138. I'm not that big on the transfer market, so it's a pretty boring time right now.

2008-07-18 14:19:17
148.   blue22
142/143 - Multiple times on a trip to Europe awhile back, I encountered several restaurants that offered an "American" style cheeseburger, in addition to the other varieties of burgers. It was just a cheeseburger with a fried egg on it. I always found that odd.
2008-07-18 14:20:28
149.   ToyCannon
That reminded me of Farrel's

Most of you have no idea but it was a happening ice cream parlor once upon a time.

2008-07-18 14:22:48
150.   ToyCannon
I new season starts for A Jones tonight. Hopefully by Sunday night we won't be discussing his 9 k's but some signs of life.

D4P feel free to post how he's done and you knew it and you don't understand how anyone could not have seen it coming.

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2008-07-18 14:23:06
151.   blue22
149 - My parents met when they both worked at Farrel's. I think they're all gone now.

Same with Swensen's. I loved that place as a kid, but they're extinct. I wonder if it was the frozen yogurt era that was the death blow to ice cream parlors.

2008-07-18 14:23:24
152.   Eric Stephen
He probably gets 4x4s.

I worked at In N Out in high school, and the largest burger I ever saw someone order was a 6x6. It wouldn't fit in a wrapper, so it had to be just placed in a small cardboard box.

2008-07-18 14:24:49
153.   Bob Hendley
148 - Al caballo. In Europe they commonly confuse Texan with American.
2008-07-18 14:25:01
154.   MC Safety
Did the guys at AZ Snake Pit really have to start the post for tonight's game thread with that excruciating Emerson Lake and Palmer bit?
2008-07-18 14:25:14
155.   Kuo-fax
148 - In Brazil, they would often throw an egg on a burger, for american style also. I always figured this was from them thinking that those McDonalds breakfast sandwiches were the American norm for burgers.

They would also often have "hamburger" and "burger" on the menu -- the difference: the "hamburger" came with a slice of ham on it!

2008-07-18 14:30:06
156.   El Lay Dave
There is a resuscitated Farrell's inside the Mountasia complex (mini-golf, go-carts, batting cages, etc.) in Santa Clarita.
2008-07-18 14:31:23
157.   goofus
144 Name of restaurant was "Bel Isle".
2008-07-18 14:31:56
158.   Marty
Egg on a burger is good. A shop around the corner from me will serve you a triple bacon/egg/cheeseburger with a Louisiana hot link on top.

149 I had a friend in high school who routinely ate a Zoo all by himself. He also once ate nine BigBoys in one sitting.

2008-07-18 14:32:44
159.   Marty
The Farrell's I used to go to is now my favorite Dim Sum palace.
2008-07-18 14:32:54
160.   El Lay Dave
153 Rule 5 prevents several possible replies here.
2008-07-18 14:34:13
161.   goofus
144 Yep, I used to go to that one on Beach Blvd in Huntington Beach. Remember "Longfellows"? Chicken, steak, and chocolate cake, all you could eat.
2008-07-18 14:35:27
162.   El Lay Dave
158 The Shack in Playa Del Rey is where I get the Louisiana hot link on the burger - the house speciality Shackburger. Mmmmm.

I've had the egg on the Fatburger. It was the late 70s / early 80s...when I was a high-metabolismed college student.

2008-07-18 14:35:48
163.   Marty
My father used to tell of going to the Pantry in the late 40's where they had some huge, 12 egg breakfast. If you could eat two of them, it was free. He would take them up on it when he was broke.
2008-07-18 14:35:51
164.   D4P
I new season starts for A Jones tonight

In what respect is a new season starting for Jones tonight?

2008-07-18 14:36:15
165.   El Lay Dave
161 I remember eating at Longfellows in Van Nuys - same deal.
2008-07-18 14:37:08
166.   Scanman33
The Farrel's in Rosemead is now a seafood place, I think.
2008-07-18 14:37:45
167.   Marty
166 That's the one I'm talking about. It's Sea Harbour. Terrific dim sum.
2008-07-18 14:38:35
168.   Disabled List
I remember the Farrell's on Van Nuys Blvd. I loved the automatic player piano they had there when I was a kid.

I believe it's a Sizzler now.

2008-07-18 14:40:40
169.   BlueCrew Bruin
139 A friend and I did exactly that to celebrate the end of our first yeat at UCLA. That was a rough night.

Also, a couple of guys I used to work with each got an 8x8 one day for fries! They went home early.

2008-07-18 14:42:54
170.   68elcamino427
The Farrell's in Whittier is now a Ruby's Diner.
2008-07-18 14:42:57
171.   ToyCannon
That would make a great beginning to a LA detective movie.

What would happen to the bloke who could not finish the meal and had no money?

2008-07-18 14:48:26
172.   KG16
152 - there's an EZ Take Out by my place (same basic concept as in-n-out, apparently they were a spin off when the original in-n-out investors couldn't get along) that claims the biggest burger they've ever served was a 26x26 "to an unnamed sailor in San Diego"
2008-07-18 14:48:33
173.   Scanman33
168-Ah, OK. It's changed so many times since Farrel's closed I can't keep up. I'm not a dim sum fan, so I've never stopped in. If you want the best Italian around though, DiPilla's is right up the street.
2008-07-18 14:50:28
174.   KG16
there's a place in Corona that serves a stonerburger. basically it's a cheeseburger with peanut butter. apparently it's really good.
2008-07-18 14:51:27
175.   KG16
i also work minutes from the last running fudruckers that i know of. after having gone to them many times as a kid, it was strange going as the marginal grown up that i am
2008-07-18 14:52:47
176.   KG16
175 - ok, just went to their website, i am amazed by the number of fuddruckers still in business
2008-07-18 14:58:57
177.   El Lay Dave
166 My ninth or tenth birthday party was there.
2008-07-18 15:00:30
178.   Icaros

The original Swensen's on Russian Hill in San Francisco is still going strong. I live nearby.

2008-07-18 15:02:08
179.   El Lay Dave
154 I will admit to the ELP guilty pleasure. Hey, we thought it was really cool in the 8th grade! California Jam, Keith Emerson, piano spinning end-over-end, it was awesome then.
2008-07-18 15:07:23
180.   underdog
Not to start a rumor here -- more conjecture, but since I read that the Brewers are still looking pretty desperately for relief help, I wonder if the Dodgers would have interest in Bill Hall? I know his fielding his never that great and his numbers are down this year but he still has some pop (and he's hit more HR's than anyone on the Dodgers). Of course, with Saito out, the Dodgers may not be able to spare relief - but if the Brewers would go for someone like Troncoso or someone... Well, anyway, just wondering aloud here.
2008-07-18 15:08:24
181.   Xeifrank
I see that Upton is doubtful for tonight's game. vr, Xei
2008-07-18 15:08:30
182.   unlazy4sports
About the burger with peanut butter, I saw an episode of Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives on the food channel that featured a diner with a similar burger. I heard is a love it or hate it kind of deal.
2008-07-18 15:08:33
183.   underdog
178 I remember going there as a kid and eating so much ice cream I got sick. Happily sick. And they also had a Swenson's in Sta Barbara when I was growing up there. My dad once took us out for an ice cream dinner (!) which made my mom quite mad. Yep, that SF Swenson's is still there.
2008-07-18 15:08:51
184.   Linkmeister
Farrell's left Hawai'i about fifteen years ago, but then about six months ago it reappeared at my neighborhood shopping center. I haven't been in it yet, though.
2008-07-18 15:11:03
185.   blue22
183 - I went to the one in Ventura so much, I think it made me lactose intolerant. Well, that's probably not what did it, but I ate a lot of that ice cream. And the little wafer cookies too, mmm...
2008-07-18 15:11:10
186.   scareduck
164 - the minor leagues have second and first half division winners. Similarly, Andruw Jones can have a good second half and redeem himself. Or something.
2008-07-18 15:14:13
187.   ToyCannon
Loved the fudruckers in West LA but that has been long gone. The only other one I've been to was in Burbank. Is that gone?
2008-07-18 15:15:49
188.   El Lay Dave
183 But in Santa Barbara it is McConnell's territory!
2008-07-18 15:15:56
189.   underdog
185 - Hah hah, I'm lactose intolerant now, too. Maybe we have grounds to sue them for pain and suffering?
2008-07-18 15:16:28
190.   68elcamino427
Re: Andruw -
I will indulge myself and dream the Sweet Home Run Dream - until reality gets in the way.

Then I'll have a big bowl of chocolate ice cream.

2008-07-18 15:16:30
191.   ToyCannon
Second halves have always been considered a fresh start for those who struggled in the first half for players and teams. I'm sure you are aware of that so I don't understand why you posted the question?
2008-07-18 15:16:36
192.   El Lay Dave
187 The Burbank one was still there a couple months ago.
2008-07-18 15:17:02
193.   sporky
186 I'm so sorry about Foley.
2008-07-18 15:17:03
194.   underdog
188 Well, I went there, too!

See: 189

2008-07-18 15:17:35
195.   El Lay Dave
191 If a day off now and then is a good thing, the AS break is four times better!
2008-07-18 15:18:40
196.   KG16
187 -
2008-07-18 15:18:58
197.   scareduck
187 - my brother used to work for Fuddruckers on Beach Blvd. in Stanton, which is now a Red Robin. The chain has pulled way back from its early days.

There is an abandoned Fuddruckers on the corner of Haster and Katella in Anaheim near Angels Stadium, and apparently an active one near Knott's Berry Farm on Beach Blvd. in Buena Park. But they're a lot fewer in number now than they used to be.

2008-07-18 15:19:43
198.   scareduck
193 - thanks. It's been a hard day.
2008-07-18 15:20:34
199.   D4P
Second halves have always been considered a fresh start for those who struggled in the first half for players and teams. I'm sure you are aware of that so I don't understand why you posted the question?

This is quintessential WhoseToSabrMetricism. "If you suck for an entire season and a half, maybe four days are all you need to completely turn things around. Who's to say it won't happen?"

2008-07-18 15:23:24
200.   blue22
197 - There's one in TO?!?! Gah, I missed out!
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2008-07-18 15:26:02
201.   D4P
I'm so sorry about Foley

Ugh. There's pretty much nothing sadder for me than losing a pet. It doesn't seem fair.

2008-07-18 15:26:03
202.   LogikReader

Must be a new one. All those years going to Cal Lutheran and I don't remember a Fuddruckers on the main drag. Memories...

2008-07-18 15:26:37
203.   underdog
198 Sorry man :-( I just read that, too. As a long time pet owner I can relate to the sadness. Sounds like a great life and great dog.
2008-07-18 15:28:17
204.   LogikReader
D4P, the Mets won ten in a row. How do you even explain the ERA improving by almost 50%? Team ERA was 4.43 a few weeks ago, but 2.25 over the last 14 days?
2008-07-18 15:30:47
205.   Bob Timmermann
Sometimes people just have hope.

I will tell ToyCannon to abandon it. I saw a sign in Latin about it somewhere.

2008-07-18 15:32:40
206.   KG16
205 - I believe that sign you saw was above the entrance to the loge level at Dodger Stadium
2008-07-18 15:36:08
207.   D4P
I don't deny that things can turn around: I deny that we're in "a new season". A 4-day gap does not a new season make.
2008-07-18 15:37:01
208.   Jim Hitchcock
179 Do you remember what happened at the end of ELP's set, Dave. The flying i gallon water bottles?
2008-07-18 15:40:12
209.   Bumsrap
I predict Jones will be twice as good as he was in the first half.
2008-07-18 15:44:05
210.   KG16
209 - strangely, that's not much comfort.
2008-07-18 15:46:40
211.   silverwidow
A little birdie told me that Jason Johnson's contract has been purchased from Las Vegas.

I am in shock.

2008-07-18 15:46:51
212.   whodat807
I find it a bit hilarious that ESPN's asinine search for "Titletown" is at Pac Bell Park (or whatever the hell it's called today), and that Giants fans are waving their flags despite never having won in SF.
2008-07-18 15:47:33
213.   overkill94
211 Long relief until Kershaw is needed on Tuesday?
2008-07-18 15:49:02
214.   Bumsrap
There is no way I would want to trade Hu now. He could be a very good shortstop next year and maybe still this year.

Martin, Hu, Abreu/DeJesus and Kemp up the middle, Loney at first are the core position players. Ethier, DeWitt, LaRoche, Pierre are the tradables and Jones is the dispensable(so far).

Kuroda, Billingsley, Kershaw, Elbert are the core pitchers and maybe Broxton, Miller, Kuo as well.

2008-07-18 15:49:44
215.   D4P
Jason Johnson is a former 10-Game Winner.
2008-07-18 15:51:01
216.   Bumsrap
210 - Well, I wasn't willing to go to go out on a limb with my Jones prediction.
2008-07-18 15:52:11
217.   Marty
Rob, I left a note over at your site. I'm really sorry.
2008-07-18 15:52:29
218.   underdog
213 That's probably about right. I do believe I predicted the possibility of his call up some time ago.

Is this confirmed though? I can't find it anywhere?

2008-07-18 15:53:30
219.   fanerman
Andruw Jones' OPS doubled = 1.026
Andruw Jones' OPS+ doubled = 70
Andruw Jones weight doubled = overflow error
2008-07-18 15:54:23
220.   overkill94
218 The real question is - don't we have to make a 40-man roster move to make room? I'm pretty sure Johnson was signed to a minor league contract. Sweeney DFA?
2008-07-18 15:54:31
221.   silverwidow
218 Let me put it this way: He was on the Las Vegas roster this morning and was tonight's scheduled starter.

Now he's been removed on both counts.

2008-07-18 15:55:33
222.   sporky
Sweeney isn't on the LV roster, either.
2008-07-18 15:55:34
223.   silverwidow
220 There will definitely be a DFA announced soon.
2008-07-18 16:02:15
224.   Eric Enders
223 There are other ways to clear a roster spot. Like LaRoche and Delwyn to Oakland for Huston Street.

Seriously, can we just DFA Mark Sweeney already? Two-thirds of a season is enough to confirm beyond any reasonable doubt that he's no longer good at baseball.

2008-07-18 16:02:18
225.   underdog
I would take Jason Johnson over Sweeney!

As a hitter even! (Sorry, okay, that joke has probably run its course.)

2008-07-18 16:02:19
226.   berkowit28
174 That sounds absolutely horrible.

188 Now you're talking! McConnell's, best ice cream there is. I'm going to go have some now right from my own fridge.

2008-07-18 16:06:52
227.   ToyCannon
DeJesus is no longer on the Suns roster
2008-07-18 16:07:13
228.   ToyCannon
Just kidding
2008-07-18 16:08:18
229.   silverwidow
227 Holy crap!
2008-07-18 16:09:25
230.   fanerman
229 Nelson Muntz: Ha Ha!
2008-07-18 16:10:25
231.   silverwidow
Dang, I thought we had a new SS...
2008-07-18 16:13:00
232.   Eric Enders
There's nothing like gearing up for the second half of the season by adding Jason Johnson and Mark Sweeney.


2008-07-18 16:13:29
233.   Kevin Lewis
Okay, seriously people, you are freaking me out

The first part of 224 needs to be deleted.

2008-07-18 16:18:07
234.   sporky
Penny or Proctor to the 60-day DL?
2008-07-18 16:18:53
235.   underdog
The lineup for tonight:
(Per Diamond)

Kemp, RF

Ethier, LF

Martin, C

Kent, 2B

Nomar, SS

Loney, 1B

Jones, CF

DeWitt, 3B

J Johnson, P

(JUST Kidding... it's Kuroda)

2008-07-18 16:19:39
236.   underdog
Sorry, that was per: Inside the Dodgers the official blog.
2008-07-18 16:21:56
237.   Xeifrank
DeWitt starting against the LHP. Wonder if LaRoche is available, or if he is boarding an airplane. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-18 16:22:48
238.   sporky
Sweeney's last AB was 7/3, and was put on the 15-day DL on 7/4. That means he's eligible to be activated (if that were the case) tomorrow, right?
2008-07-18 16:23:51
239.   Eric Enders
Wait, we're facing Doug Davis, right? As in the left-handed Doug Davis? As in, the left-handed Doug Davis against whom there is no possible justification for putting DeWitt in the lineup instead of LaRoche?

Unless... well, see 224 .

2008-07-18 16:26:19
240.   sporky
LHB: .288/.360/.363
RHB: .255/.342/.413
2008-07-18 16:28:15
241.   Xeifrank
240. Who are those stats for?
vr, Xei
2008-07-18 16:28:43
242.   sporky
Hitting against Doug Davis.
2008-07-18 16:29:30
243.   underdog
All I know is Davis has owned us in the past and it would be nice if that got ended tonight.
2008-07-18 16:30:39
244.   Xeifrank
242. Ok, thanks. I thought they were your whiffle ball splits. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-18 16:30:40
245.   overkill94
240 So true to form, we're taking the slap-hitting, higher-BA side instead of the power side (not to mention higher OPS).
2008-07-18 16:31:06
246.   fanerman
I had a dream last night that Andy LaRoche started for DeWitt for no real reason, but then he ended up going 0-4.
2008-07-18 16:32:18
247.   Eric Enders
243 Well, it won't end on DeWitt's grounders to second, Nomar's pop-ups to second, or Andruw's strikeouts.

I'm calling it right now: Kemp does something huge in his first at bat.

2008-07-18 16:32:28
248.   madmac
197 hey, even Modesto now has a Fuddruckers.
2008-07-18 16:34:36
249.   underdog
It's frustrating because, to be fair LaRoche hasn't done much in his limited appearances lately, much of anything, but on the other hand because they're limited appearances it's hard for him to do anything. It's a Catch-22 all right. He should be given a few starts - not just one.
2008-07-18 16:36:46
250.   Eric Enders
At this point, LaRoche is the only good option anyway. If you have a choice between two players, one who stinks for certain, and the other who might stink and might not, you have to go with the guy who might not.
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2008-07-18 16:36:46
251.   John Hale
World Baseball Classic finals at Dodger Stadium?
Is this old news?

Will the WBC affect spring training next year? Russ play for Canada? Anyone else?

2008-07-18 16:44:49
252.   Zak
Has anyone downloaded the MLB At Bat App for iPhone here? I know it's only $5, but there are tons of free sports updates apps for the iPhone. Does anyone know what makes this worth it? If, in fact, it is.
2008-07-18 16:48:52
253.   sporky
People must be busy refreshing their browsers every 14 seconds.
2008-07-18 16:50:02
254.   Eric Enders
253 Guilty.
2008-07-18 16:50:54
255.   JoeyP
LaRoche was probably demoted to make room for Sweeney.
2008-07-18 16:50:57
256.   El Lay Dave
240 that's for this season. For his career:

vs. LHB .281 .344 .445 .789
vs. RHB .267 .349 .408 .757

2008-07-18 16:51:04
257.   Kevin Lewis
LaRoche needs to be able to start for a full week
2008-07-18 16:51:11
258.   ToyCannon
In a way I'd like to see LaRoche traded to the A's so he can get started on his career. If we are not going to use him, we might as well get Chavez's balky back, Mark Ellis, and Bobby Cosby down here to fill up the DL.
2008-07-18 16:52:56
259.   El Lay Dave
257 LaRoche needs to be able to start for a full month.


2008-07-18 16:55:19
260.   berkowit28
252 Yes, it's excellent. I wrote about it in a bit more detail a few days ago, maybe Saturday or Sunday.
2008-07-18 16:58:46
261.   Kevin Lewis


2008-07-18 17:04:28
262.   scareduck
203 - thank you.
2008-07-18 17:07:51
263.   Landonkk
252: The biggest feature that sets it apart from the free sports apps is up to the minute video highlights. It will usually update with great plays / scoring plays inning by inning.
2008-07-18 17:10:21
264.   Zak
263 Oh cool! That sounds good for $5. Thanks.
2008-07-18 17:11:43
265.   Bob Timmermann
One of the top headlines in my Yahoo news feed:

Milo Ventimiglia discusses 'Heroes,' Mideast trip

Will he have a position paper out after the trip?

2008-07-18 17:29:39
266.   MC Safety
That lineup stinks. If Joe is looking at splits Loney bats ahead of Nomar. What a load of crap.
2008-07-18 17:38:48
267.   JoeyP
There's a free preview on Directv this weekend.
2008-07-18 17:52:45
268.   68elcamino427
Just about two weeks left until the trading deadline?
2008-07-18 17:54:49
269.   Gagne55
Well, we have the ansers per Tony Jackson:

Park will be replaced in the rotation by veteran right-hander Jason Johnson, whose contract was purchased from Las Vegas earlier today to take Takashi Saito's roster spot.

2008-07-18 17:54:50
270.   Bob Hendley
251 - I figure that there could be up to ten players on the current roster that might play for their national teams (other than US). This includes Nomar and Andre with the Mexican team.
2008-07-18 17:57:34
271.   Eric Enders
I don't have a huge problem with this as long as Johnson is just keeping Kershaw's seat warm for a start or two. Any more than that and you have to start questioning it.

Hopefully Torre will align Johnson's starts with Kuo's pitching days, so that a Johnson start equates to Kuo coming in in the fourth inning and blowing the other team away for a while.

Or do we think Kuo is the new setup man?

2008-07-18 18:16:28
272.   Louis in SF
Just read the Diamond post regarding Johnson, and Diamond says Torre wanted a more experienced arm up here. He was unsure when Sweeney would be off the DL sounds like tomorrow. How much do you think the Colorado trip has anything to do with Kershaw being held back?
2008-07-18 18:16:34
273.   El Lay Dave
There has to be a 40-man move to accommodate Johnson. As long as the move of Park to the pen is committed to, the pen isn't short-handed, so there's no rush to make the Johnson roster move, is there?
2008-07-18 18:18:54
274.   The Trolley Dodger
273 Yhency to DL.
2008-07-18 18:19:01
275.   El Lay Dave
272 Ah, Diamond has the other roster move there too:

"To make room for Johnson on the 40-man roster, Yhency Brazoban was transferred from the minor league disabled list to the major league 60-day disabled list."

2008-07-18 18:19:30
276.   The Trolley Dodger
274 60-day DL, rather.

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