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Kershaw IX: Kershawk the Monkey
2008-07-22 15:05
by Jon Weisman

Clayton Kershaw was 4 for 15 at the plate this season for Jacksonville, but is 0 for 8 with the Dodgers. Will Coors Field produce his first hit?

* * *

The Dodgers have decided they got what they could out of Eric Stults for now, and have optioned him to make room for Kershaw, writes Diamond Leung of the Press Enterprise. Stults should return by September 2 and could still contribute this year.

Leung adds that Juan Pierre will begin his rehab assignment Wednesday - ahead of schedule.

Scenario: When Pierre is activated, Andruw Jones is "rested." And if Pierre, Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier appear not to cave in, Jones continues to get a lot of rest.

Update: From Tony Jackson of the Daily News:

... while Joe (Torre) did say on the one hand that he isn't ready to sit Andruw Jones ... on the other hand, Torre didn't rule out the possibility that Andruw could find himself sitting if this keeps up much longer.

Click the link to Jackson's blog to read Torre's quotes.

* * *

Dodgers at Rockies, 6:05 p.m.

Comments (413)
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2008-07-22 15:14:58
1.   wave of mutilation
Once Pierre comes off the DL they should just put Andruw on the 60 Day DL and rehab him and get him ready for next year. He's no use to us now. If he hasn't gotten better by now he never will this season.
2008-07-22 15:17:52
2.   blue22
According to BP, Andruw Jones has exactly 200 plate appearances right now. Isn't 200 the unofficial cutoff for sufficient sample size?
2008-07-22 15:19:11
3.   Howard Fox
2 not when the salary is $18 mill
2008-07-22 15:19:19
4.   Tripon
Wonder what would happen if Andruw Jones just didn't try to swing the bat for one game. Might get a couple of walks out of it.
2008-07-22 15:19:42
5.   trainwreck
Great title, Jon.
2008-07-22 15:20:31
6.   Xeifrank
710AM taking callers then Angels and then Dodgers GM comes on. They are debating trading K-ROD and Kemp (mostly for ratings and effect). vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:20:54
7.   kirk gibson
I keep thinking "this is the game Andruw is gonna turn it around."

I am anti-juan pierre all the way. I would rather see Repko or Young out there. Pierre forever ruined himself in my eyes last season and I wish I never had to see him in a Dodger uniform again. I hear he's a really nice guy, but so is my gardner and I don't want him in the outfield either.

2008-07-22 15:20:54
8.   overkill94
It's really sad when we have to start praying that Juan Pierre will get plenty of playing time when he comes back from the DL. Personally, I'm still afraid it'll cut into Ethier and Kemp's playing time at least a little bit so I wouldn't be heartbroken if it took Juan a little longer to get healthy.
2008-07-22 15:20:56
9.   Eric Stephen
To recap...

And Away We Go...
Kershaw II: The Kershawing
Kershaw III: Kershawker
Kershaw IV: Kershawshank Redemption
Kershaw VI: Kershaw's, Foiled Again?
Kershaw VII: Kershaw Na Na Na, Sha Na Na Na Na Na
Kershaw VIII: Kershaw Me The Money

No specialized title for Kershaw's 5th start, the rain game in Detroit. Jinx!

2008-07-22 15:22:10
10.   Xeifrank
are the Kershaw titles named after movies, tv shows and Broadway shows that I haven't seen?
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:22:44
11.   Tripon

Can your Gardner run really really fast?

2008-07-22 15:24:01
12.   Eric Stephen
It's a mixture of pop culture, a Variety if you will.

Might I also suggest:

M. Night Kershawmalan
Kershawt Heard Round the World
Kershawka Khan

2008-07-22 15:24:02
13.   underdog
10 And songs. So, apparently, yes.
This new one is a Peter Gabriel song reference.
2008-07-22 15:24:08
14.   El Lay Dave
2 Not that the Dodger coaching staff has consistently done what they said, but Bowa did say something about "200 at-bats" in some interview regarding Jones awhile back. He's at 175 now, so that might conveniently align with JP's return.
2008-07-22 15:24:17
15.   trainwreck
Today's from the Peter Gabriel song, Shock the Monkey.
2008-07-22 15:24:20
16.   okdodge
You have to at least know Kershaw IV??

The latest is a song title.

2008-07-22 15:24:24
17.   scareduck
Great title, Jon, but you should have saved it for when Kershaw faces the Angels for the first time.
2008-07-22 15:26:20
18.   underdog
12 Better than Hudson Kershawk, that one won't do very well.
2008-07-22 15:26:30
19.   kirk gibson
No, but he hits for power and and has a decent arm.
2008-07-22 15:27:46
20.   Gagne55
6 But nothing about the rumors that Vin Scully is going to get traded?(sarcasm)
2008-07-22 15:27:48
21.   cargill06
I'm sure Ned has no interest in something like this, but how does a deal something to the tune of Pierre, cash, and prospects for Dunn and Keppenger sound?

Kemp, Dre, and Dunn sound pretty good for an outfield right now.

I hope I don't sound like one of those guys who call a radio show and say we should trade Kent for Hamels.

2008-07-22 15:28:28
22.   blue22
I'm surprised Vin hasn't brought out the "Ker-shaw enough" yet.
2008-07-22 15:29:10
23.   Tripon
Hope Kershaw can give us at least five innings today. Anyone got any info on tonight's Rockies pitcher? I'm going to assume that tonight's game isn't going to be a clunker like last night.
2008-07-22 15:30:08
24.   Gagne55
I recognize Kershaw IV and VIII, possibly II if it's a play off of The Happening.
2008-07-22 15:30:39
25.   Xeifrank
23. Jimenez is pretty good. Stingy on the home runs this year, for a Rockie pitcher. Rockies are solid faves.

Angels/Dodgers GMs are on 710 right now.

vr, Xei

2008-07-22 15:31:42
26.   Tripon
6 Not as bad as Denholm in the 4-8 hour block. For some reason, Denholm hates Andre Ethier, Howie Kendrick, and casey kotchman.
2008-07-22 15:31:58
27.   Duranimal
Diamondbacks just got Jon Raunch from the Nats. Gave up a minor league second baseman. Doesn't seem like they gave up a lot.
2008-07-22 15:32:18
28.   Gagne55
Too bad all the games against the Astros are over. We could have had a Texas Kershaw Massacre.
2008-07-22 15:32:33
29.   Howard Fox
11 yes he can, especially when the INS is nearby
2008-07-22 15:32:52
30.   kirk gibson
Meatloaf's interpretation of Kershaw:

1. Kershaw By the Dashboard Lights.
2. I'd do anything for Kershaw (but I won't do that).
3. Kershaw's in the Rear View mirror may appear closer than they are (remix version).
4. You took the words right out of my Kershaw.

2008-07-22 15:33:23
31.   overkill94
21 Depends who the prospects are. I'm not sure the Reds would have much interest in Pierre anyway and I doubt they would include Keppinger in the deal since they're so thin at SS right now.
2008-07-22 15:33:42
32.   Jon Weisman

Kemp, RF
Ethier, LF
Martin, C
Kent, 2B
Loney, 1B
Garciaparra, SS
Jones, CF
LaRoche, 3B
Kershaw, P

2008-07-22 15:35:31
33.   scareduck
19 - one of these?

2008-07-22 15:36:01
34.   fanerman
Jones ought to be hitting 8th, but... oh well.
2008-07-22 15:36:38
35.   Tripon
Interesting that LaRoche is batting 8th.
2008-07-22 15:37:09
36.   Eric Stephen
I know it has been reported LaRoche would start all 3 games in Colorado, but it's nice to see him actually playing; actions over words, you know.
2008-07-22 15:37:23
37.   scareduck
VII is the Ramones, for those minus clue.
2008-07-22 15:37:29
38.   Tripon
34 Andruw Jones should be batting 9th.
2008-07-22 15:38:02
39.   Bob Timmermann
So are Colletti and Reagins both going to Bell Gardens?
2008-07-22 15:39:12
40.   regfairfield
I'm really curious about the D-Backs plan for second base next year.
2008-07-22 15:39:26
41.   underdog
27 Some discussion on that trade in previous thread if you're interested. Yeah seems like a good trade for them. Thank you, Bowden! (Not.)
2008-07-22 15:39:43
42.   fanerman
38 I'm going with the idea that the worst hitter should bat 8th =P. Kinda like LaRussa.
2008-07-22 15:40:41
43.   ToyCannon
Given the roster, that is the best lineup I've seen this year. Last night we hit a bunch of doubles/singles and the obligatory Loney triple, tonight we bring out the taters.
2008-07-22 15:40:42
44.   underdog
So are we supposed to root for LaRoche to do well, even though that might make him more appealing in trade, or to fare poorly in hopes that will turn off other teams. But that might turn off the Dodgers and make them want to trade him even more, and yet if he does well...

Arrrgggghhh! {Head explodes}

Just do well, Andy.

2008-07-22 15:41:28
45.   ToyCannon
You don't think they well re-sign Hudson?
2008-07-22 15:43:20
46.   schoffle
34 35

I would guess that they are less likely to pitch around him with Kershaw/PH behind him than with Jones

2008-07-22 15:43:28
47.   Alex41592
44 - In this sort of situation just "Go Dodgers". Everything else is out of their control.

If Kershaw can get the bunt down Kemp should have lots of opportunities to drive LaRoche in from second.

2008-07-22 15:43:29
48.   regfairfield
45 The rumor was that he wanted 5/75 this offseason and I can't see the Diamonbacks giving it to him. I can't imagine that they would have gutted the position without a backup plan though.
2008-07-22 15:43:45
49.   Eric Stephen
Or life could go on with Chris Burke as the AZ 2B.
2008-07-22 15:43:53
50.   Jon Weisman
37 - No, it's the Silhouettes.
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2008-07-22 15:46:26
51.   Tripon

Root for LaRoche to do well. If he does get traded he might get a chance to blossom, he he plays badly over this small stretch, he might not get another genuine chance again. After all, one of the main arguments for LaRoche was that he never got a fair shake, well here's his fair shake. We shouldn't try to wish he screws up for the Dodgers to keep him because the Dodgers aren't going to see value in LaRoche if he doesn't perform up to his abilities.

2008-07-22 15:46:40
52.   Xeifrank
Coletti is on 710AM now. :(
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:47:05
53.   Neal Pollack
Is there any way we could bat Jones 10th?

I'm excited for the game tonight, especially because the only time my wife will let me put it on in the living room is when Kershaw pitches.

2008-07-22 15:47:39
54.   Xeifrank
50. So then who is the one minus clue? :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:49:06
55.   Eric Stephen
Ned sounds tired on the air. He should take a 10-day sabbatical to recharge the old batteries.
2008-07-22 15:49:08
56.   bigcpa
"Closer is a premium position." NC
2008-07-22 15:49:40
57.   KingKopitar
48 I would like to see them go after Ellis because your reaction would delight me.
2008-07-22 15:50:18
58.   RELX
While I agree with Jon that eventually the OF will be Pierre-Kemp-Ethier, I think that the Dodgers are still not ready to completely give up on Jones, which means several weeks of occasional benchings for Kemp and Ethier.
2008-07-22 15:50:51
59.   natepurcell
well here's his fair shake.

When in baseball is 3 games or essentially, 12PAs, a fair shake?

2008-07-22 15:51:10
60.   fanerman
44 That's how I feel. But LaRoche not hitting well is why they want to trade him, right? Changing their minds ought to do more good than bad.
2008-07-22 15:51:47
61.   Neal Pollack
Kemp and Ethier cannot be benched. If they are, then we should...we should...oh, why are we so powerless?
2008-07-22 15:52:42
62.   El Lay Dave
59 15 PAs in Coors Field.
2008-07-22 15:53:37
63.   Xeifrank
NC: Matt hasn't played a ton of baseball. He was more of a basketball player. He needs to get better strike zone recognition and run better routes in the outfield (especially CF), but I think he's getting better at it.
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:53:50
64.   Dodgers49
According to Odalis Perez will pitch against us on Saturday rather than Sunday.
2008-07-22 15:54:06
65.   Jon Weisman
58 - Sure, those guys will be rested occasionally, but I'm talking about who will be the fourth outfielder going forward. Who will get the least amount of PT? Right now, Jones has about a week to show he doesn't deserve that status.
2008-07-22 15:54:23
66.   fanerman
Thanks for the updates, Xeifrank.
2008-07-22 15:54:25
67.   Jon Weisman
64 - It was always Saturday, as far as I know.
2008-07-22 15:55:05
68.   Jon Weisman
"The earth is flat, but in time, it could become round."
2008-07-22 15:55:38
69.   Xeifrank
66. Sure. It's over. You didn't miss much. I'm sure you're not surprised at that. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 15:56:30
70.   El Lay Dave
56 Which is why it was filled the past 2 1/2 seasons with a unheralded Japanese veteran signed as a 36-year old minor-league free agent.
2008-07-22 15:59:53
71.   RELX
65 . I still think that they are going to rotate four for awhile, without declaring anyone the 4th OF. Though if they do declare anyone #4, I think it will be Pierre, since Torre already did it earlier in the season.
2008-07-22 16:00:51
72.   Eric Stephen
Starting with the game after hitting his 2nd HR (in Milwaukee in May), Andruw has produced this:

60 PA
7 singles
5 BB
25 K

2008-07-22 16:01:54
73.   Dodgers49
67 64 - It was always Saturday, as far as I know.

Just shows how bad my memory is. :-) I thought you indicated he would be pitching on Sunday and Bob said he would be there. I just hope Bob isn't disappointed either way. :-)

2008-07-22 16:04:12
74.   Woden325
I'm guessing 40 runs in this game. Who wants the over, who wants the under?

I'd like to hang around and chat tonight, but I'll be at the AAA game. Let's go Sky Sox!

2008-07-22 16:06:12
75.   Eric Stephen
Torre did it earlier in the season when Furcal was healthy and the club had a traditional leadoff hitter. Pierre had missed 3 innings total (in 48+ games) since Furcal was hurt, before JP himself got injured. Once he gets back, Pierre is playing everyday.
2008-07-22 16:07:31
76.   underdog
74 - Uh, I'll take the under on that one. (Though who knows - what's the weather/temperature like today?) I predict a 5-3 final, not saying in which direction.

Have fun.

2008-07-22 16:07:46
77.   sporky

Stults was 2-2 with a 3.18 ERA and averaged 5 2/3 innings in his six starts. Clayton Kershaw was 0-2 with a 4.42 ERA and averaged under five innings in his eight starts earlier this season. It doesn't look like an upgrade.

2008-07-22 16:08:45
78.   El Lay Dave
64 Odalis Perez has weird stats so far, 1.500 WHIP, 1.33 HR/9, but with a 107 ERA+ (3.99). He has 18 starts and has allowed 4 or more ER in only 4 of them, 22%.
2008-07-22 16:09:48
79.   silverwidow
Ned concluded his interview with this (paraphrasing):

Big splash? No.

Solid acquisition? Yes.

2008-07-22 16:10:17
80.   Neal Pollack
Rotoworld isn't always right.
2008-07-22 16:10:45
81.   D4P
Did it sound as if he already has a trade lined up...?
2008-07-22 16:13:18
82.   underdog
PS: Woden, you need to post something on Bad Altitude. He's lonely over there! Then come back here for more fastpaced conversation.
2008-07-22 16:14:00
83.   silverwidow
81 Yeah, probably.
2008-07-22 16:14:06
84.   fanerman
79 Trading LaRoche probably doesn't qualify as "big splash" to Ned... not that LaRoche is gone.
2008-07-22 16:14:44
85.   Mike De Leon
34. Can't we just take the out and not embarrass the team anymore by watching him swing at anything within 10 feet of the plate?
2008-07-22 16:17:24
86.   Jon Weisman
I just had a great idea for eating up more of Bob's time. He should keep Alert Standings, with points for red, orange and yellow - like the Olympic medal standings.
2008-07-22 16:18:38
87.   Eric Stephen
Note to Rotoworld (not shooting the messenger sporky):

4.64 FIP
22.4% LD
6.62 K/9
1 HR every 6.8 IP

4.23 FIP
17.4% LD
8.77 K/9
1 HR every 12.9 IP

2008-07-22 16:18:49
88.   Xeifrank
74. 40 run over/under? Maybe for my softball game tonight! Here is what I have for tonight's game. vr, Xei

Method / Favorite / Win% / Over Under
Vegas / Rockies / 57.26 / 10.5
AccuScore / Rockies / 64% / 11.2
My Simulator / Rockies / 60.93% / 9.66

My simulator splits the two on the win%, but is the "under" outlier on the over/under tally.

2008-07-22 16:20:58
89.   fanerman
88 Do you keep running stats on how well your simulator is doing?
2008-07-22 16:26:33
90.   Xeifrank
89. Uh, yes. They are on my blog and updated every day. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-22 16:27:38
91.   Dark Horse
The trouble with Colletti promising us a "solid acquisition" is just this. No difference-making, middle-of-the-order bat, no Teixera and by extension one presumes, no trading Matt Kemp. Yet a "solid acquisition" might be Casey Blake, might be someone in essence less good than the person we'll be giving up to get him (any guesses?) LaRoche isn't a "gamer," doesn't have a bellyful of guts, and dadgum, he appears to be afraid to swing the bat. We need more crunchy chewy veterany goodness on this club. Yessir...Ned's always been about the "solid acquisition." I live in fear.
2008-07-22 16:28:16
92.   fanerman
90 Ohh! Sorry, it's been awhile since I checked out Dodger Sims. That betting thing sounds like a good idea!
2008-07-22 16:28:33
93.   Woden325
76 It's Hot and dry: 91 and 15% humidity. Not much wind. I suspect there will be some long fly balls at both Coors Field and Security Service Field.
2008-07-22 16:32:09
94.   Eric Stephen
Does anyone know if there are AC power outlets at Elysian Park? I highly doubt it, but I might need to improvise for something on DT Day.
2008-07-22 16:34:29
95.   underdog
93 - Security Service Field? That's such a homey, romantic name for a ballpark!
2008-07-22 16:36:52
96.   Jon Weisman
94 - I believe you're stuck with solar and wind power. But I hope to make a scouting run there between now and the 16th.
2008-07-22 16:40:17
97.   caseybarker
Since it's been brought up, what are the food and drink requirements? Is everybody bringing something; is there a list?
2008-07-22 16:43:03
98.   Ken Noe
"Solid acquisition" could be anybody mentioned recently in connection with the Dodgers except "big splashes" Sabathia, Jason Schmidt, and Andruw Jones.
2008-07-22 16:44:52
99.   Xeifrank
97. I believe it's bring your own everything (BYOE). vr, Xei
2008-07-22 16:45:08
100.   Howard Fox
98 maybe Barry Bonds....
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2008-07-22 16:45:39
101.   Howard Fox
and Roger Clemens to replace Lowe after he is traded
2008-07-22 16:46:10
102.   Jon Weisman
97/99 - It is indeed BYOE, though I think some are bringing extra, cooking treats, etc. I'll start a thread at some point dedicated to this question.
2008-07-22 16:46:29
103.   Eric Stephen
I might try to bring homemade chili in a crock pot, but I'd need to plug in said crock pot. I could get an extension cord that plugs into my car's cigarette lighter, so that's an option.
2008-07-22 16:47:44
104.   caseybarker
Heat it on the BBQ.
2008-07-22 16:49:33
105.   Woden325
95 They can't all be Enron Field, you know.
2008-07-22 16:51:19
106.   trainwreck
Casey Blake puts up the numbers I was hoping Dewitt could at second.
2008-07-22 16:51:43
107.   scareduck
Incidentally, what day is the DT picnic?
2008-07-22 16:52:13
108.   Eric Stephen
August 16
2008-07-22 16:53:57
109.   Eric Stephen
All-Star Cristian Guzman® just signed a 2-year extension with the Nationals that will pay him $8m per season for 2009-2010.

Not the best day for Bowden!

2008-07-22 17:01:53
110.   Jon Weisman
Tony Jackson's latest has Torre quotes on Jones/Pierre/Kemp/Ethier.

2008-07-22 17:05:32
111.   caseybarker
Perhaps, I too will bring chili... Some kind of cook off might be fun.
2008-07-22 17:07:02
112.   Longhorn Bill
good news/bad news situation here in Brownsville, Texas

Bad: Hurricane Dolly is almost surely going to strike with heavy rain and strong winds.

Good: Dolly has slowed down enough that I will be able to watch Kershaw and the Dodgers before we lose power.

2008-07-22 17:09:09
113.   Xeifrank
110. Sounds like Johnson or a player we get in a trade will start next tuesday.

112. Be careful out there!

vr, Xei

2008-07-22 17:10:07
114.   Jacob L
Hi, everybody! (Haven't posted in several days)

110 That's pretty lame stuff. Mind you, Joe doesn't have to come out and say that he intends to bench Andruw, but if that's to be taken at face value, it wreaks of double standards and lack of accountability.

2008-07-22 17:15:05
115.   ToyCannon
A name that know one talks about that was given away for free and has been useful. Bob loves this stuff.
Joel Hanrahan (P) WAS 7/22/2008
Hanrahan is now one of a handful of candidates in the mix to close games for the Nats following the trade of Jon Rauch to Arizona on Tuesday, the Washington Times reports. Saul Rivera is also considered a possibility for now, but we'll keep an eye out for manager Manny Acta's official plans as they become available in the near future. Hanrahan has rolled up 65 strikeouts over 59.1 innings for Washington this season and he's got an arsenal well-suited for ninth-inning work if Acta decides to give him the ball late.
2008-07-22 17:15:26
116.   ToyCannon
Per rotowire
2008-07-22 17:31:36
117.   D4P
2008-07-22 17:35:09
118.   Bob Timmermann
2008-07-22 17:35:31
119.   Bob Timmermann
Interesting game in Florida.
2008-07-22 17:38:36
120.   Tripon
Whoa! Joel Hanrahan! Thats a name I haven't heard in a while, glad to see he reached the majors with a team.
2008-07-22 17:42:19
121.   RELX
Torre on Jones: ``It's still (too) early for me. Both Donnie (Mattingly) and (Jeff) Pentland are here working on specific things with him. It's one thing to practice, but it's a second thing to go out there and play games and try to put that into practice. I don't think he has had enough time for that yet.''

Told you so--get ready for the return of our favorite soap opera, As the Outfield Turns. In tonight's episode, Matt Kemp is benched because of his youthful indiscretion of asking Joe Torre who Bob Gibson was, while Andruw Jones, with the help of Donnie Mattingly, gets closer and closer to actually making contact with a baseball.

2008-07-22 17:44:30
122.   Jon Weisman
From Josh Rawitch:

"Scott Proctor threw off the mound today for the first time and Ken Howell was cleared by the docs to resume coaching this weekend."

2008-07-22 17:47:24
123.   RELX
122. Oh joy...JP, Sweeney, the rescue.
2008-07-22 17:48:03
124.   Tripon
More like to our doom.
2008-07-22 17:48:12
125.   Bob Timmermann
No longer interesting in Florida.
2008-07-22 17:49:43
126.   Brent Knapp
From previous thread. Thank you Xei. Here's another one. What's a HR worth? Its got to be more than one run because of the times there are runners on base, right? This number, next to the value in runs of a stolen base can make a good arguement against a player like Pierre. Before andruw showed how truly bad he was I thought juan pierre should have simply been the highest paid pinch runner. If he was only brought in when a stolen base was needed each game he could have 100 stolen bases, at least worth about two wins.
2008-07-22 17:53:13
127.   trainwreck
Wish you and your family the best. Hopefully a blackout will be the worst of your problems.
2008-07-22 17:53:51
128.   bleedsblue

Actually I liked Torre's comments on the situation. Especially this: "Both Donnie (Mattingly) and (Jeff) Pentland are here working on specific things with him." Makes me think Joe is watching for these specific things to improve and if not, bench time. I didn't find that nebulous at all.

Maybe tonight Jones will wake up and start hitting. Here's hoping!

2008-07-22 17:54:08
129.   Brent Knapp
78 . I think odalis's era is so good considering his peripherals because he, at least at one point this season, led the league in runners left stranded by his bullpen.
2008-07-22 17:55:47
130.   trainwreck
The Rays play that "Get Low" song every five seconds. It is driving me nuts.
2008-07-22 17:57:16
131.   Bob Timmermann
The shine is off DT's favorite AL team already.
2008-07-22 17:57:19
132.   Ken Noe
128 My translation is similar to Jon's and yours: Jones is on a short leash, and he'd better start looking better soon, or else.
2008-07-22 17:58:17
133.   fordprefect
Only one thing to say about



2008-07-22 18:01:13
134.   El Lay Dave
129 Thanks, that would certainly help.
2008-07-22 18:02:42
135.   El Lay Dave
I hope someone on the Dodgers is ensuring that Juan Pierre doesn't get re-activated unless his knee is 100%, given what his only asset is.
2008-07-22 18:08:55
136.   Eric Stephen
The trivia question during the White Sox / Rangers game was to name the last pitcher to start 40 games in a season.

Hint: he is an old friend.

2008-07-22 18:09:16
137.   Dodgers49
Tony Jackson on the Pierre situation:

>> It isn't clear where Pierre will fit when he does return, but the best he can hope for probably is to share time in left field with Andre Ethier. <<

2008-07-22 18:15:27
138.   Gen3Blue
Whoever said it first is right. It is crazy to put Kershaw into this environment at the moment.
2008-07-22 18:15:43
139.   fanerman
137 That just sounds like TJax.
2008-07-22 18:16:10
140.   D4P
It is crazy to put Kershaw into this environment at the moment

How else are we supposed to Showcase™ him...?

2008-07-22 18:16:44
141.   D4P
Taveras is OPSing .594
2008-07-22 18:17:03
142.   Alex41592
138 - He's a Dodger. He's going to have to pitch in Coors someday. Welcome to someday.

Great catch by Andruw!

2008-07-22 18:17:06
143.   berkowit28
It might not be so bad for La Roche to be batting 8th. Instead of a black hole at the bottom of the lineup, he may provide an occasional RBI for Kemp whose extra base hits might otherwise be wasted as leadoff batter.
2008-07-22 18:19:07
144.   Eric Stephen
Charlie Hough was the last pitcher to start 40 games in a season, with 40 GS in 1987 for the Rangers.
2008-07-22 18:19:24
145.   underdog
That as a great play by Druw.

And that was a fat fastball Kershaw left out for Baker.

2008-07-22 18:19:47
146.   scareduck
Huh. I sense the reverse of yesterday's game in the offing.

Rotoworld had it right about the innings per start dropoff between Stults and Kershaw.

2008-07-22 18:20:12
147.   scareduck
146 - or maybe not.
2008-07-22 18:21:08
148.   Eric Stephen
I'm not sure when Odalis would have led in bequeathed runs not scored, or however you would name that.

I looked at his game logs, and he's only left 7 runners on base total in 18 starts. 3 of those have scored.

2008-07-22 18:21:14
149.   underdog
Sweet curve balls, two of them, to start Atkins.
2008-07-22 18:22:25
150.   underdog
Nicely settled down there, Minotaur!
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2008-07-22 18:22:44
151.   Eric Stephen
The Minotaur field his position well!
2008-07-22 18:23:42
152.   Eric Stephen
A mere 15 pitches for Kershaw in the first.
2008-07-22 18:26:11
153.   Brent Knapp
148 . Hmm. Apparently I don't know what I'm talking about. A friend was trying to trade me odalis earlier this year and I looked at his stats to convince my friend that odalis was very lucky thus far. Maybe he has left a high percentage of his own runners on base? i.e. Pitched out of many of his own jams?
2008-07-22 18:28:00
154.   68elcamino427
Jonesy, Jonsey, Jonsey!
2008-07-22 18:28:00
155.   Eric Stephen
At one point (before his May 28 start), only 1 of 4 Odalis runners had scored, so maybe that's when he was on the leaderboard.
2008-07-22 18:28:14
156.   MonkeyBlue
Hate to defend Jones, but that was off the plate.
2008-07-22 18:28:28
157.   Alex41592
That's a great pitch. Inside. But, still a great pitch.
2008-07-22 18:28:53
158.   underdog
In defense of Andruw, after he fouled off a couple of pitches, that was a filthy pitch to freeze him for strike three. Be nice if he can defensively foul off more pitches, but that one pitch was pretty gnarly.
2008-07-22 18:29:16
159.   underdog
And it did look inside.

Ah well.

2008-07-22 18:29:33
160.   68elcamino427
Big K - Keep Ball Down :)
2008-07-22 18:29:37
161.   Eric Stephen
Silly umpire. Jones would have struck out on his own swinging anyway!
2008-07-22 18:30:56
162.   Tripon
I'm just surprised Odalis is still in the league.
2008-07-22 18:31:02
163.   Kevin P
Not sure if I'm being redundant or not (and I apologize if I am) but did any of you hear Vinny's sassy commentary last night after Andruw's first strikeout on the night: "That was a good call on your part."

I just about lost it when I heard that!!

2008-07-22 18:31:14
164.   Eric Stephen
Filthy backwards Ks are not the exclusive property of the home team!
2008-07-22 18:31:34
165.   68elcamino427
That's the inside paint
2008-07-22 18:31:57
166.   Alex41592
That's in the stands.
2008-07-22 18:31:59
167.   Eric Stephen
OK, that was a Coors Field HR. Hit pretty hard, but c'mon!
2008-07-22 18:32:37
168.   Eric Stephen
That's a liner caught 20 feet in front of the wall at Dodger Stadium.
2008-07-22 18:32:47
169.   underdog
Jeez. I did not think that was gone when he hit it, did you? Hard fastball in thin, warm air, I guess that'll do it.
2008-07-22 18:33:26
170.   Bob Hendley
155 - I saw Odalis pitch against the O's a couple of weeks ago and Acta had a pretty quick hook the moment it seemed like he was losing it. I am thinking that Odalis is just a five inning pitcher these days.
2008-07-22 18:33:43
171.   underdog
6 straight hits for Tulo.

Okay, settle down, Kid K.

2008-07-22 18:34:52
172.   underdog
C'mon Clayton, Jason Johnson could've done this!
2008-07-22 18:35:04
173.   Eric Stephen
That seemed like a double play ball rather than a single.
2008-07-22 18:35:36
174.   Eric Stephen
It's 1997!!!! Wow.
2008-07-22 18:36:06
175.   68elcamino427
Ha! The Old Man picks up the kid!
2008-07-22 18:36:08
176.   Alex41592
Wow! That's a tremendous double play.
2008-07-22 18:36:12
177.   underdog
That was a TERRIFIC double play by the Grumpy Old Men.
2008-07-22 18:36:50
178.   D4P
Managers should be fired for letting pitchers swing in those situations. So stupid.
2008-07-22 18:36:53
179.   Johnson
Kent to Nomar (to Loney) on the Web Gem! Who'd have thunk it?
2008-07-22 18:36:56
180.   natepurcell
great play by the old people.
2008-07-22 18:36:59
181.   underdog
It's funny after I call Kent an old man and then realize he's only a year older than I am.
2008-07-22 18:37:50
182.   underdog
178 - Bad Altitude blogger would agree with you - or actually he hates Hurdle's love of bunting, which wasn't in evidence there, but agrees he should be fired.
2008-07-22 18:38:15
183.   Bob Hendley
181 - They probably call you that on the pitch.
2008-07-22 18:38:20
184.   Alex41592
Cubs/D'Backs is on WGN for those who get it.
2008-07-22 18:38:39
185.   Tripon
Kent is an old man. And I'm 23.
2008-07-22 18:39:26
186.   Bob Hendley
DP looked even better in slow-mo.
2008-07-22 18:39:57
187.   Bob Hendley
Let's go Andy!
2008-07-22 18:40:33
188.   scareduck
171 - a nickname shared by Kerry Wood. I recommend against its further usage.
2008-07-22 18:40:42
189.   Bob Timmermann
Some of us would like to be Jeff Kent's age again.
2008-07-22 18:40:59
190.   68elcamino427
I get on Kent's case, but he is one tough Hombre. We know that we are watching a player that will be in the HOF.
2008-07-22 18:41:01
191.   underdog
183 Fortunately, there are a couple of players older than me, and many more in their mid-30s, so that talk is kept to a minimum, as long as I can still run. When I require a walker to defend at fullback, there'll be some chatter.

185 Well, that really doesn't help me at all.

2008-07-22 18:41:21
192.   scareduck
184 - let's go, Cubbies!
2008-07-22 18:41:59
193.   Bob Timmermann
There is a yellow alert for Melvin Mora in Baltimore. This is a yellow alert.
2008-07-22 18:42:56
194.   Tripon
That was a fast 1-2-3 for Andy,Kershaw and Kemp.
2008-07-22 18:43:00
195.   underdog
188 Huh. Had never heard that before. Oh well. Somehow The Minotaur just doesn't seem to fit anymore, now that he's not quite as mythical. What else we got?
2008-07-22 18:43:23
196.   ucladodger
Kemp seems to be on Jimenez. Just a little late on the first fastball and hit that grounder hard.
2008-07-22 18:43:35
197.   Bob Timmermann
There is also a yellow alert for Adam Lind in Baltimore. There are two yellow alerts people!

Be careful out there in Baltimore!

2008-07-22 18:43:52
198.   Eric Stephen
Ian Stewart looks a lot like Scott Spiezio. Irvine police beware!
2008-07-22 18:45:30
199.   Tripon
Scott Spiezio picked a bad place to do a bender. The Irvine police are constantly bored and looking for stuff to do.
2008-07-22 18:46:25
200.   underdog
Colorado's 14th round draft pick is in the booth with the Rockies' announcers (Tyler Massey). I guess this would be cool if you're a Rockies' fan. As for me, I miss the kidcaster.
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2008-07-22 18:47:15
201.   Bob Hendley
I have a slightly different take on the Andy showcasing business than most here. Perhaps it is because I was taken by Torre's use of the concept fairness when saying why Andy would be playing. That is not a small thing to say or to admit publicly, that one had not been fair. Now, perhaps this was a result of Ned yelling (probably in a non-threatening way) at Torre that because he hadn't been playing Andy that no one wanted him and he was now under pressure to go get a 3rd baseman, since the Solution hadn't bounced back as Joe had wished.
2008-07-22 18:47:36
202.   underdog
C'mon Clayton...
2008-07-22 18:48:30
203.   Bob Timmermann
Lind lined out to end the 8th inning. However, the dual yellow alerts are still in place.

Semper paratus!

2008-07-22 18:49:13
204.   Alex41592
1-0 Snakes. Jackson HR.
2008-07-22 18:50:31
205.   underdog
Stop squeezing the rook, ump.
2008-07-22 18:50:34
206.   Bob Timmermann
Mets up 5-2 in the 9th at home, but the Phils have loaded the bases with none out against Old Friend Sanchez. Old Friend Werth singled to start the inning and Friend That Was Never Meant to Be Victorino got the third hit of the inning.
2008-07-22 18:50:41
207.   natepurcell
This up isn't giving Kershaw anything.
2008-07-22 18:51:58
208.   68elcamino427
Note to Big K:

It's ok to scuff-up a few baseballs by throwing them in the dirt around the plate.
Yes, yes the umpire will throw them away and it seems like a waste of an otherwise
good piece of baseball equipment that someone has paid good money for, but just do it.
Think ball low.

2008-07-22 18:52:47
209.   Eric Stephen
Drew Goodman doesn't know irony.
2008-07-22 18:53:15
210.   Bob Timmermann
But you liked the Meet the Fockers!
2008-07-22 18:53:37
211.   underdog
For crying out loud, ump.
2008-07-22 18:53:37
212.   Tripon
Hope Jason Johnson is warming up!
2008-07-22 18:53:38
213.   trainwreck
Umps with small strike zones and Coors do not mix. Two nights in a row, yeesh.
2008-07-22 18:54:12
214.   Bob Hendley
207 - Very Bleeder-esque
2008-07-22 18:54:22
215.   trainwreck
You think this is bad, wait until he comes in.
2008-07-22 18:54:46
216.   Tripon
Where's K-Zone when you need it?
2008-07-22 18:54:50
217.   Eric Stephen
Kershaw is relying too much on his fastball, and on these 3-ball counts it's killing him.
2008-07-22 18:55:29
218.   underdog
That was a fastball over the plate, but it's hard to blame him when nothing else is being called a strike.
2008-07-22 18:55:35
219.   Eric Stephen
I knew that would come back to haunt me.
2008-07-22 18:56:36
220.   underdog
Lovely Public Enemy #1 to nail that K, at least.
2008-07-22 18:57:05
221.   underdog
Walking him is the only thing to do here, with a base open and he's had 6 straight hits.
2008-07-22 18:57:19
222.   Bob Timmermann
Tulowitzki being treated like he's the next Walt Dropo.
2008-07-22 18:58:31
223.   Bob Timmermann
5-3 Mets and the bases loaded and still nobody out for the Phils. Old friend Sanchez is gone. Joe (yes this is my real name) Smith gave up an RBI FC and now Pedro (not Jose) Feliciano is facing Taguchi.
2008-07-22 18:58:36
224.   Eric Stephen
Lots of line drives this evening.
2008-07-22 18:59:12
225.   Gen3Blue
Poor Clayton is only 20 or something. I guess he's fated to be the next Jackson.
2008-07-22 18:59:27
226.   underdog
Darnit. Two curves in a row, he was sitting on it. Oh well.

I wouldn't think this game is over just yet, mind you.

That was a nice snag by Clayton on the last out, btw.

2008-07-22 18:59:36
227.   Eric Stephen
2008-07-22 18:59:43
228.   CodyS
Kershaw sucks. Trade him for Omar Vizquel.
2008-07-22 18:59:58
229.   fracule
2008-07-22 18:59:59
230.   MMSMikey
well, better start scoring runs, or will be scalped by ubaldo again, this umpire is awful, by the way, that 1-2 pitch to atkins was right down the middle, not even on a corner, right down the heart of the plate.
2008-07-22 19:00:20
231.   underdog
225 - I don't think so.
2008-07-22 19:00:20
232.   68elcamino427
To me, Martin looks like he's ten feet tall. What a player!
2008-07-22 19:00:27
233.   Eric Stephen
Kershaw pitch count by inning:

1st - 15
2nd - 14
3rd - 33

2008-07-22 19:00:34
234.   Tripon
Man, that Brad Penny bobblehead ad is so weird.
2008-07-22 19:01:04
235.   Ken Noe
Final score: LAD 16, COL 5
2008-07-22 19:01:07
236.   Bob Timmermann
All tied up in New York after a Taguchi double drives in 2.
Still nobody out and Rollins up.
2008-07-22 19:01:08
237.   underdog
228 - Only if they throw in Aurilia, too!
2008-07-22 19:01:10
238.   Alex41592
See! The Mets don't need Wagner. They can blow games all by themselves.
2008-07-22 19:01:27
239.   MMSMikey
when did the mets/phillies thread start?
2008-07-22 19:01:48
240.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle alert canceled for Adam Lind. Still in effect for Melvin Mora.
2008-07-22 19:02:47
241.   Bob Timmermann
7-5 Phillies now. Still nobody out.
2008-07-22 19:03:20
242.   Tripon
Man, can't we get into the bullpen already?
2008-07-22 19:04:04
243.   underdog
Make him work a little at least, Russ.


Oh good, more scintillating commentary from the Rockies' sideline, er in the stands, reporter.

2008-07-22 19:05:14
244.   bleedsblue
I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but Kershaw just isn't ready for prime time. I still don't see why we bump him straight up from AA to the show without stopping in AAA.

He has two big problems (short term, not long term) as I see it. One is pitch placement. Just not up to snuff yet. The bigger problem is he's only got two pitches, a fastball and the 12-6 curve. It's just not enough. He needs something with some lateral movement. Otherwise he's like a Rubik's cube with only two colors. The big boys have him figured out.

2008-07-22 19:05:21
245.   ucladodger
Jimenez is really good when he can semi control the ball. His stuff is tremendous.
2008-07-22 19:06:34
246.   Bob Timmermann
But which two colors on the Rubik's Cube would they be and in which pattern would it have to be arranged?
2008-07-22 19:06:37
247.   ucladodger

He was a major league average pitcher in his starts before today. Thats damn good for a 20 year old. But this Colorado lineup in that stadium is ridiculous and they will score a ton of runs on everybody.

2008-07-22 19:06:40
248.   Tripon
He's not ready for Coors. Heck, nobody is, well nobody not named Jimenez.
2008-07-22 19:08:49
249.   Alex41592
Poor Ron Santo. The Cubs keep hitting the ball well but at people.
2008-07-22 19:09:19
250.   bleedsblue
246. Blue and white. Blue has to be aranged on the corners of each 9 cube side.
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2008-07-22 19:09:23
251.   Eric Stephen
Shocking stat alert:

Ubaldo Jimenez, 2008
Coors Field: 2.63 (through right now), 68.1 IP
Road: 5.82, 55.2 IP

2008-07-22 19:09:46
252.   underdog
I still don't see what AAA will give Kershaw other than the headaches of pitching in the PCL. Again the argument should be leaving him in AA or bringing him up, and good points can be made for either side of that one. I also wouldn't judge him too harshly based on how he fares in Coors Field. But I do agree having a third pitch he can nail consistently will go a long way to making him a good ML pitcher. Right now he doesn't have that change working well enough.
2008-07-22 19:10:23
253.   trainwreck
Would this be considered shocking the monkey?
2008-07-22 19:10:27
254.   natepurcell
Jeff Baker is Clayton's mortal enemy.
2008-07-22 19:11:00
255.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the bottom of the 9th in New York, it's 8-5 Phillies.

I'm assuming there is booing.

2008-07-22 19:11:31
256.   Doctor
Send Kershaw down, leave him there.... the straight as an arrow 94-95 mph fastball and big hook that no one swings at (and rarely gets called a strike) doesn't work at this level. Just ask Randy Wolf.
2008-07-22 19:11:43
257.   Tripon
Or we could move our AAA operations from Las Vegas. Whats so wrong with dutiful Long Beach?
2008-07-22 19:12:44
258.   underdog
253 - Did you know that song was actually a metaphor for a tormented love gone awry? I was one of those who thought it was either about animal research or a metaphor for something else. But that's what Gabriel says, it's about broken hearts and that sort of thing.
2008-07-22 19:12:58
259.   still bevens
How was that last pitch not a strike?
2008-07-22 19:13:21
260.   natepurcell
Some of you guys have such short term memory.

Remember Billingsley!?!? He went through the same troubles. Leave him be, it'll work out in the long run.

2008-07-22 19:13:33
261.   Bob Timmermann
Professional baseball rules prohibit a AAA franchise in Long Beach. It's the beauty of a sport being exempt from antitrust laws.
2008-07-22 19:13:50
262.   Alex41592
Kershaw is done for the night.
2008-07-22 19:14:17
263.   underdog
Ah well. Next time, Clayton. Which hopefully will be in the friendlier confines of Dodger Stadium.
2008-07-22 19:14:27
264.   68elcamino427
Blue giving Kershaw the rookie treatment with the Zone.
2008-07-22 19:14:27
265.   ucladodger

Again, he was a major league average starter before tonight. And he's 20 and dominates the minors. This is just a tough place to pitch against a really good lineup. It happens. Doesn't mean he isnt one of our top 5.

2008-07-22 19:14:36
266.   trainwreck
I assume every Peter Gabriel song is about love. Except the stuff with Genesis. I have no idea what that is about.
2008-07-22 19:15:16
267.   underdog
A combination of some pitches up, some pitch predictability, the ump's annoyingly small strike zone, and Coors Field did him in. He'll be back. He'll be fine. I agree with Nate.
2008-07-22 19:15:52
268.   willhite
When did the Rockies start their run last year? I see a repeat on the horizon.
2008-07-22 19:16:23
269.   bablue
Kershaw needs more time in the minors. He looks exactly like a left-handed Brad Penny (2008 edition). Two piches, hard fastball and good curveball. Relies way to much on the fastball. Very iffy command. He needs to improve a lot on his control and develop at least one more pitch, and unfortunately you usually don't learn that stuff in the majors. Note: This is not meant to bash him, just saying he isn't ready IMHO.
2008-07-22 19:16:37
270.   Tripon
Kershaw was very aggressive, which I think Torre can appreciate.
2008-07-22 19:16:42
271.   Alex41592
He's 20. In Coors. Relax. He'll face the Nationals on Sunday in Dodger Stadium. Much better atmosphere.
2008-07-22 19:17:14
272.   Eric Stephen
Not the swiftest of plays by LaRoche there.
2008-07-22 19:17:48
273.   Bob Timmermann
September 16.

They won 15 of their last 16 regular season games and then 7 straight playoff games.

They came into the game on 9/16, 6 1/2 games out of first and in fourth place.

2008-07-22 19:18:25
274.   natepurcell
I was one of Billingsley's biggest defenders here when he came up in 2006 and didn't light the league on fire. I'm not going to do the same with Clayton. Clayton has pitched better than Chad in AA and at a younger age. Clayton is going to be a good pitcher; right up on par with how Chad is performing.

Being 20 years old, he isn't a finished product and tonight was just not his night. He will be absolutely fine in the long run.

2008-07-22 19:18:29
275.   ucladodger
I think umpires need to be mandated to have regular strike zones in Coors. These 2 games have been nuts.

Great job Jason.

2008-07-22 19:18:43
276.   overkill94
Looks like the rookie's gonna have to use some of that bonus money to buy the vet a steak dinner tonight.
2008-07-22 19:18:46
277.   Bob Hendley
JJ, the poor man's Jim Palmer (who never gave up a grand salami).
2008-07-22 19:18:48
278.   Alex41592
Jason Johnson is obviously better than Clayton Kershaw. Now and forever.
2008-07-22 19:18:58
279.   underdog
That was about as good a job as JJJ could've done.
2008-07-22 19:19:21
280.   Eric Stephen
A Houdini by Jason Johnson!
2008-07-22 19:21:12
281.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Johnson has given three grand slams in his career.
2008-07-22 19:21:14
282.   68elcamino427
Kershaw is back to stay. Sea level hook is unhittable, then the change will be more effective. Kershaw!
2008-07-22 19:21:55
283.   D4P
I assume every Peter Gabriel song is about love

"Big Time" isn't really about love. Well, maybe self love. No, not that kind of self love...

2008-07-22 19:22:08
284.   Alex41592
Wow. The boys are gonna get a nice talk after the game tonight. Awful at bats.
2008-07-22 19:22:20
285.   Doctor
I see Kershaw as very different from Billingsly. Bill's stuff moves so much that he had some control problems early on, which is very understandable. He has been able to fine tune it. Kershaw is getting hammered by line drives b/c the fastball has no movement, doesn't look like his curve, and he doesn't really have a 3rd pitch. He has some potential, but doesn't have the arsenal yet. Its not a matter of age, his composure seems fine.
2008-07-22 19:22:22
286.   Bob Timmermann
All cycle alerts in Baltimore canceled.

Stand down.

2008-07-22 19:23:19
287.   trainwreck
Well here is something far worse than the start of this game.

Rick Mahorn shoved down Lisa Leslie during a brawl that happened between the Sparks and Shock. Candice Parker got ejected and Cheryl Ford ended up in a wheelchair.

2008-07-22 19:23:38
288.   bablue
278, Oh obviously. ;)
2008-07-22 19:24:53
289.   overkill94
Joe Smith is set to take the loss after not giving up a hit, walk, or HBP (it was a FC). I wonder how often that happens?
2008-07-22 19:25:06
290.   Alex41592
I feel Santo's pain. Cubs keep hitting the ball well with nothing to show for it.
2008-07-22 19:25:22
291.   Icaros
This game is such a stupid idiot.
2008-07-22 19:25:44
292.   overkill94
287 Have we really run out of topics for discussion that we're now at WNBA Thoughts? ;)
2008-07-22 19:26:13
293.   68elcamino427
Paging Mr. Young, paging Mr. Young ... please get your glove and report to left field - repeat - please get your glove and report to left field.

Mr. Jones - that knee is just not right, you're back on the DL.

2008-07-22 19:26:25
294.   LogikReader
Let me pull a Neal here:

The Dodgers held to one hit at COORS in mid-summer? This is pathetic.

2008-07-22 19:27:08
295.   Tripon
The WNBA is a legitimate league. That Stern is propping up with NBA money.
2008-07-22 19:27:21
296.   Alex41592
This is absolutely unbelievable in Arizona. Cubs are hammering the ball into gloves.
2008-07-22 19:27:23
297.   Bob Timmermann
Here you go:
2008-07-22 19:27:35
298.   underdog
287 Whaaa....?

283 I confess, that's what I used to think that's what Shock the Monkey was about. Er... like that Violent Femmes song.

2008-07-22 19:29:12
299.   underdog
Does sort of seem like maybe JJJ should've started after all. But the way they're hitting, or not hitting, vs. Ubaldo it may not matter much.
2008-07-22 19:29:13
300.   LogikReader
re: the first four innings

Umpires who squeeze pitchers at Coors Field should be fined. Seriously.

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2008-07-22 19:29:39
301.   natepurcell

I don't really agree with you. I think Kershaw has very good movement on his 4 seam fastball, it has natural cutting action on it and sinks a bit too. The problem is, harnessing it because he throws it so hard naturally.

Also, arsenal comes with age. Billingsley still doesn't have a change up that he trusts. What really propelled him to where he is today is the cut fastball that he learned recently and perfected it through experience.

Kershaw needs the same leeway that Billingsley received. When you have elite pitching prospects like this who have showed domination in the minors, the next and only step is the majors and you stick with them until they turn it around.

I can't believe people are getting all worked up over one bad start, in Coors no less, when he was completely unhittable in the minors when they sent him back.

2008-07-22 19:29:54
302.   underdog
Okay, that was my fault.


Maybe it didn't matter who started tonight. Maybe I could've started tonight!

2008-07-22 19:31:53
303.   MollyKnight
So....what did I miss?
2008-07-22 19:32:57
304.   Icaros

A bunch of garbage.

2008-07-22 19:33:36
305.   herchyzer
266 . What about "Standing Up on Salisbury Hill"?
2008-07-22 19:34:07
306.   Alex41592
Andy restores some order.
2008-07-22 19:36:05
307.   Alex41592
Holy rule 1 this game will be forgotten real quick. Everyone is having a bad game.
2008-07-22 19:36:39
308.   natepurcell
That was such a retarded move by Torre.
2008-07-22 19:37:23
309.   Suffering Bruin
I missed yesterday's fireworks. We're in the middle of trying to move to Hermosa Beach so it's been tough to post.

Jimenez is someone I've watched in my fantasy league. He is very good when he pitches with control. He does not often do so often.

2008-07-22 19:39:03
310.   Alex41592
2-0 AZ. The Diamondbacks have all the luck in this series so far.
2008-07-22 19:39:40
311.   Icaros

I ate at a place there called Cozymel's a couple weeks ago. Isn't that exciting news?

2008-07-22 19:40:52
312.   overkill94
297 That was quick! Thanks B-Tizzle!
2008-07-22 19:41:46
313.   bleedsblue

Movement on his FB is not the issue, it's that he's only got 2 pitches, which are easily distinguishable at this level of batter. I think the word has gotten around rather quickly which is why he hasn't dominated in the majors like everyone thought he would.

He's a top prospect who needs another pitch. I suggest this is best done in the minors. Why do it here were the runs count and Dodgers are ties for first in the division?

2008-07-22 19:41:51
314.   68elcamino427
Jimenez has the Ramon Martinez-like actions and bod
2008-07-22 19:41:59
315.   Suffering Bruin
You were in Hermosa a couple of weeks ago? Dude, email me at so I can buy the food next time. :)
2008-07-22 19:43:11
316.   Suffering Bruin
Anybody catch the fight in the Sparks game today? Not a shoving match--serious fighting.
2008-07-22 19:43:24
317.   bablue

Yep. Both games the Cubs have hammered the ball but they've stopped on the track or gone right to a D'back glove. And the AZ announcers are unbearable as ever.

2008-07-22 19:44:02
318.   Icaros
RIP Estelle Getty.
2008-07-22 19:44:28
319.   68elcamino427
He's got 2 pitches tonight. He threw the change effectively tonight. Everyone knows the Curve is just not going to bite at mile-high.
2008-07-22 19:46:13
320.   bablue
Another hard hit ball right at Reynolds...
2008-07-22 19:46:17
321.   Suffering Bruin
318 An underrated actress. She'll be remembered for hamming it up on the Golden Girls but like so many sitcom performers, she was so much more. RIP.
2008-07-22 19:47:42
322.   Icaros

I was there one night, spending two full days sitting in a windowless conference room. I could've been in Afghanistan for all I knew.

I thought you were going to be up here this summer.

2008-07-22 19:48:41
323.   Icaros

Sad to say, I've never seen her in anything other than Golden Girls.

2008-07-22 19:48:45
324.   bablue
Finally a run by a Theriot triple! He got cheated out of a triple last time (and a run) when the ball went over the wall for a ground-rule double.
2008-07-22 19:49:11
325.   Alex41592
Cubs on the board! 2-1 AZ Top 4.
2008-07-22 19:49:17
326.   bablue
Oh, that wa actually Fontenot wit the triple.
2008-07-22 19:50:15
327.   Suffering Bruin
Ubaldo Jimenez, this is your night.
2008-07-22 19:50:35
328.   JoeyP
Does Kershaw get sent back down after this outing?
2008-07-22 19:50:46
329.   Alex41592
Arguably, this is the worst Dodger game of the year.
2008-07-22 19:51:02
330.   bablue
Should probably have some lights on so I can actually type...
2008-07-22 19:51:17
331.   Suffering Bruin
322 The wife and I are trying to get up there, my man. We gotta move first. (sigh). As Vinny would say, the best laid plans of mice and men.
2008-07-22 19:51:56
332.   Suffering Bruin
Gotta run. Let me know if I missed something. And I know... it may not be much! :)
2008-07-22 19:54:37
333.   Bob Timmermann
Why? What about the whole series in Detroit?
2008-07-22 19:57:10
334.   Eric Stephen
What about Stop or My Mom Will Shoot?
2008-07-22 19:57:36
335.   Alex41592
333 - That was pretty bad.
2008-07-22 19:58:06
336.   MollyKnight
Gosh, after seeing the Dark Knight I could have really used something more uplifting from the Dodgers tonight.
2008-07-22 19:58:22
337.   Icaros

Only saw the previews. I knew better. Didn't you?

2008-07-22 19:58:25
338.   JoeyP
3-1 D-Bax.
2008-07-22 19:59:05
339.   68elcamino427
Bison to the rescue
2008-07-22 20:01:08
340.   underdog
If the Dodgers take two out of three here after taking two out of three in Arizona, I will be a very happy camper. <-- perspective check (Not guaranteeing a win tomorrow mind you, but it's still doable.)
2008-07-22 20:02:15
341.   underdog
How about a little round of applause for the job JJJ did overall?
2008-07-22 20:02:43
342.   Eric Stephen
I stopped myself before seeing it, and true to her word my mom didn't shoot.
2008-07-22 20:04:26
343.   JoeyP
Dark Knight didnt leave you with a good "wow, I just saw an awesome movie" vibe.

I saw it after the Dodger game sat night and it totally made me forget the game.

2008-07-22 20:05:53
344.   bablue
Better than me, I've never even heard of her.
2008-07-22 20:06:05
345.   68elcamino427
Garciaparra mak'in some noise
2008-07-22 20:06:17
346.   underdog
Here's an off topic little-known factoid - as I work my way through re-watching season 1 of "Mad Men," I realized where I'd seen the guy who plays Pete Campbell:

"Another Day in Paradise," the Larry Clark movie with James Woods and Melanie Griffith. He's one of the young leads that go with them.

2008-07-22 20:07:07
347.   whodat807
I'm coming in late; is that really the first time the Dodgers have reached second? Jeez.
2008-07-22 20:07:37
348.   fracule
I am so weary from watching Andruw.
2008-07-22 20:08:08
349.   fracule
I think the Dark Knight looks pretty cheery right now.
2008-07-22 20:09:03
350.   whodat807
348 It's amazing how much Druw's ineptitude has made me miss Pierre's comparably prolific production.
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2008-07-22 20:09:08
351.   whodat807
348 It's amazing how much Druw's ineptitude has made me miss Pierre's comparably prolific production.
2008-07-22 20:09:40
352.   LoneStar7
walk machine gets aboard, lets go pee-wee
2008-07-22 20:09:59
353.   underdog
Good eye (as usual) Andy!
2008-07-22 20:10:10
354.   thinkblue88
LaRoche, Walk Machine.
2008-07-22 20:10:20
355.   68elcamino427
Makes me miss Young
2008-07-22 20:10:28
356.   fracule
351 "You don't know what you got 'till it's g-one..."
2008-07-22 20:10:50
357.   underdog
You can say that again, whodat.

C'mon Pee Wee - wake us up from our slumber.

2008-07-22 20:11:57
358.   whodat807
I was leaning slightly towards the DeWitt side of the argument for most of the year, but LaRoche's discipline is slowly converting me. I like watching his at bats.

Btw, does LaRoche have a nickname yet? If not, is there some sort of etiquette as to when a player gets a nickname?

2008-07-22 20:12:02
359.   LoneStar7
thats incredibly frustrating
2008-07-22 20:12:03
360.   MonkeyBlue
2008-07-22 20:12:11
361.   thinkblue88
Bummer. =/
2008-07-22 20:12:19
362.   68elcamino427
Time to take the doggies for a walk
2008-07-22 20:13:12
363.   underdog
Darnit, thought that was going through the middle.

Bring back Sweeney! (j/k)

Okay, back to work, or slumbering, whichever comes first.

2008-07-22 20:13:19
364.   skybluestoday
Grim, grim game. No fun at all.
2008-07-22 20:13:58
365.   Jon Weisman
346 - You didn't see him in "Angel"?
2008-07-22 20:14:17
366.   underdog
358 - I was calling him "The Rock" because he's steady, and strong -- and also that's what his name means. Not sure anyone else was too excited by that, though.
2008-07-22 20:15:23
367.   underdog
365 - No, because I never watched that show. I did look him up on IMDB and saw that he was in that, but it wasn't the thing I was trying to think of. He was also in "Little Big League' apparently.
2008-07-22 20:15:58
368.   Jon Weisman
Has no one mentioned that Colorado has outscored the Dodgers 13-0 in the past 12 innings or so? I'm impressed by the restraint.
2008-07-22 20:15:59
369.   whodat807
366 I was thinking the exact same thing. Perhaps it's too obvious. But whatever it turns out being (and let's hope he's with us long enough to get a definitive nickname), it should have something to do with rocks... in fact, 'Rocks' would be a pretty good nickname.
2008-07-22 20:17:21
370.   trainwreck
We could use so many catch phrases.
2008-07-22 20:17:40
371.   underdog
Darn... .500 is just so elusive, isn't it?
2008-07-22 20:18:23
372.   whodat807
Not related to any ongoing conversation, but how do you think that Mummy movie is going to do this weekend? It's going against Step Brothers, X-Files 2, and The Dark Knight's second week... I can see it absolutely tanking.
2008-07-22 20:18:23
373.   Alex41592
Now I'm outraged that the Rockies have outscored the Dodgers 14-0 in the past 12 innings plus!
2008-07-22 20:19:11
374.   underdog
368 - Now two touchdowns.

But that's the weirdness of both the Dodgers and Coors. Dodgers could score 10 tomorrow.

2008-07-22 20:19:51
375.   trainwreck
Not well, especially when people find out that Brendan Fraser just has a supporting role.
2008-07-22 20:20:24
376.   Icaros
His nickname is: Andy.
2008-07-22 20:20:25
377.   underdog
372 - I don't think it's going to tank (and it actually looked better than the last Mummy movie, for whatever that's worth, in the coming attraction at least) but yeah it's got a ton of competition. I could see it doing fairly well but under expectation.
2008-07-22 20:21:33
378.   underdog
Troncoso's reverting back to his April form a little tonight.

Ah, forget it Jake, it's Coors-town.

2008-07-22 20:21:43
379.   trainwreck
Between these brawls and the Fab Five, maybe they should just ban basketball in the state of Michigan.

Sorry, Tom Izzo.

2008-07-22 20:22:25
380.   nofatmike
358 I think Andy should be called "The Roach." I mean if Either is known as "'Dre," Loney is known as "Lone Star," Billingsley is known as "C-Billz," then Andy really has no other choice. In fact, when he had a myspace, I think he actually did call himself "Roach" on his profile.
2008-07-22 20:22:33
381.   Icaros
Why play the infield in down 7-0?
2008-07-22 20:23:09
382.   underdog
That's kind of when I miss Furcal, the range at short. Oh that, and in every other way, too.

I officially turned this game off. Someone wake me if there's a miracle 8+1 comeback in the offing.

2008-07-22 20:23:54
383.   Icaros
Careful, Bison! This lousy game isn't worth it.
2008-07-22 20:25:34
384.   Jon Weisman
381 - I had the same question. I thought that was bizarre.
2008-07-22 20:26:32
385.   schoffle
So .... anyone know why Park was dropped out of the starting rotation?

Seemed like he was pitching pretty well and then Torre up and pulled him out while leaving in Stults, I guess that complete game stuck in Torres mind, and now calling up Kershaw, who will probably be a future ace, but outside of being 20 didn't really leave much of an impression the first time around (well maybe in spring training).

2008-07-22 20:28:11
386.   Alex41592
So, check this out. We face Glendon Rusch tomorrow afternoon! Positives.
2008-07-22 20:30:52
387.   trainwreck
In times like these, maybe baseball should stop putting games in the day so people have to miss work.
2008-07-22 20:31:41
388.   underdog
386 Yah! See comment 340 for more positive thinking.

Still, it would be nice if the Dodgers at least kicked a field goal, then maybe an onside kick...

2008-07-22 20:31:46
389.   JoeyP
17-0 last game and a half.

Seeing Rusch tomorrow is a positive.

2008-07-22 20:33:37
390.   underdog
Hopefully, Kuroda will be hypnotized into thinking he's pitching in LA tomorrow before the game. Then the Dodgers have a shot.
2008-07-22 20:34:12
391.   Icaros
I'd be more excited about facing Rusch tomorrow if we still had Shawn Green. I know a lawyer's daughter who feels the same way.
2008-07-22 20:34:22
392.   fanerman
390 Kuroda needs to mis-align the buttons on his shirt again.
2008-07-22 20:34:40
393.   thinkblue88

Bison Power!

2008-07-22 20:34:53
394.   68elcamino427
Vin the anti-homer. He's so darned agreeable tonight.

Bison Power!

2008-07-22 20:35:22
395.   fanerman
2008-07-22 20:35:29
396.   Alex41592
Well that was a monster shot. 450+ for Kemp.
2008-07-22 20:36:46
397.   fracule
We're in his kitchen now
2008-07-22 20:36:47
398.   underdog
Darn, after I started following the game on GameDay I miss a Bison Shot&trade: live. Oh well. Nice!
2008-07-22 20:37:00
399.   Icaros
Kemp's OPS back up above .800 (.801).
2008-07-22 20:37:51
400.   68elcamino427
Will Ethier now go with the regular catcher's shin guard?
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2008-07-22 20:39:13
401.   fanerman
398 Yeah me, too. Ah well. Matt's been hitting for the power lately.
2008-07-22 20:39:41
402.   trainwreck
At least it is nice to have Kemp and LaRoche be our most productive players.
2008-07-22 20:40:02
403.   twerp
135.   El Lay Dave
"I hope someone on the Dodgers is ensuring that Juan Pierre doesn't get re-activated unless his knee is 100%, given what his only asset is."

Hmmm.....anyone know the whereabouts of Tonya Harding these days? :)

2008-07-22 20:40:24
404.   underdog
110 pitches for Ubaldo. But Clint knows he'll need his 'pen tomorrow.
2008-07-22 20:41:51
405.   Icaros
Pierre's return is going to be really depressing. I've been so happy the past few weeks.
2008-07-22 20:42:15
406.   underdog
Still, it's frustrating to get CG'd in Coors Field.

Guess you tip your hat to him for pitching well against what had been a hot offense. They need to wake the bats up tomorrow.

2008-07-22 20:42:16
407.   68elcamino427
Tip o the cap to Ubaldo. He dominated tonight.
2008-07-22 20:43:32
408.   underdog
Alrighty, see you guys here tomorrow at noon-ish. Best put this one behind us.
2008-07-22 20:47:30
409.   underdog
I think it's just Tim Brown wondering aloud, but on Yahoo tonight he wonders about Dallas MacPherson (once again tearing it up in AAA, 32 HRs) and the Dodgers. Huh. Um. Hrm.
2008-07-22 20:48:17
410.   underdog
He also said "The Dodgers also need help in the bullpen but are not believed to be interested in Street."

2008-07-22 21:02:49
411.   Jon Weisman
2008-07-22 21:30:58
412.   the2pin
Has there ever been a worse back-to-back signing than Schmidt and Jones? No need to even discuss Pierre, in my opinion.

The Dodgers must be institutionally incompetent. Sorry to vent, but Torre is making some objectively cooky moves out there and our GM is completely out to lunch.

On the other hand, GO BISON.

2008-07-22 21:52:49
413.   Mike De Leon
Someone please 'splain something to me. You've gotten only 1 hit then LaRoche breaks through for another, JJ comes up and torre let's him hit into a DBP?? I hate the sac bunt as much as the next guy, except for a pitcher and unless he's shown he can handle a bat, so what was torre thinking?? It was even worse considering that Kemp was up next, since torre would rather have the worst hitter in the MLB hit ahead of Andy. (Shaking my head in disgust)

As far as CK goes I've got to agree with bleedsblue, he's not ready for the show...yet. He needs another year or 2 of seasoning. Yeah yeah he was ML average in his last call up but only for 4+ innings then would fall apart, not exactly what you want from your SP's. He needs another pitch. I don't care if learns a Cutter, Slider or Screwgie, even learn a knuckler but he needs something other than just a FB or curve.

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