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2008-07-30 10:59
by Jon Weisman

Though I'm pressed for time, I wouldn't want to let Tuesday's game pass without congratulating Jason Johnson on his six shutout innings. You can dismiss it as a fluke or as "it was the Giants," but the guy got the job done without any offensive support (the Dodgers scored in the bottom of the sixth), and it mattered. He's had a rugged journey in recent years, and I'm happy for him.

I know the Dodgers are under a lot of pressure with the waiver-free trade deadline approaching Thursday. I'm probably remiss in not acknowledging the benefits of pressure, mainly because I don't like pressure. Pressure can often drive you to positive results. Deadlines can be good. The important thing, though, is to keep your cool. Don't stop thinking. Don't self-defeat.

The bullpen is fine. The pitching is deep. That doesn't mean that there won't be some bad games in there, but perfection isn't an option. (In passing, I just want to tell Brad Penny not to rush back until he's ready – really ready.)

Third base is done for now. The team has made its choice.

There could be improvement in the outfield, but there's nearly $30 million of salary committed to that area, so I'm not sure what more can be achieved this year without causing more problems than are solved. I'm open to ideas.

Shortstop is a rough spot offensively with both Rafael Furcal and Nomar Garciaparra out, but given the absence of available offense at that position, I'd emphasize defense. And I'd note that if Chin-Lung Hu's problems this year were vision-related, as they now seem to have been (he's 15 for 34 at Las Vegas since his return from the disabled list), he needs to be reconsidered. Even if he OPSes .650 in the majors. In the absence of offense, infield defense might be the Dodgers' path to victory.

Keep Danny Ardoin as the backup catcher, but if Delwyn Young is going to be out for longer than two weeks, pursue other cheap but more effective pinch-hitting options for the bench.

Have faith in September. This is a deep organization, and there are guys in the minors who can help out.

Believe in your talent. Patience in the younger players has been paying off, in case you haven't noticed.

If there's a good move to be made, based on factors other than batting average and gamerness, make it.

To us, I say, if the Dodgers make a move, keep a cool head, at least when conversing.

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2008-07-30 11:04:20
1.   Michael Green
What worries me is that tomorrow, Plaschke will have a column on how the Angels are so much better because they made a trade at the deadline. Then Ned will feel compelled to go do something for the sake of doing something, so that he can feel he is appeasing the media.

The Dodgers can win with this team, especially if the bench includes Andruw Jones, at least until he shows that he has regained something approaching his old form (and even then, I would stick with the trio in the OF). As Kemp and Ethier showed last night, the younger guys can hit smart and well.

2008-07-30 11:05:37
2.   fanerman
1 Simers already wrote one today, but I bet Plaschke probably will tomorrow. 2 more days...
2008-07-30 11:07:35
3.   sporky
It was presumptuous of me to do so, but if I point out a NPUT before Jon's NPUT, is that the anti-LAT?
2008-07-30 11:08:04
4.   Alex41592
Just 25 hours and 52 minutes left and it can't get here fast enough.
2008-07-30 11:08:22
5.   fanerman
3 I find it to be good sport to point out NPUT's before Jon does. I don't know if Jon would agree.
2008-07-30 11:09:34
6.   underdog
Thanks Jon, good report.

I agree about SS, if there is no offense upgrade available (without great expense), bring back Hu.

I posted this at end of previous thread;

Thanks Eric and BH, both very helpful (for your posts on the Dodgers FA situation/draft picks).

And to DRatt: Hee. No worries! I figured. (Er, sorry about the teen-car struggles, though.) And that emoticon for Jason Johnson was a crying face. And I guess that jinxed things in his favor. Sorry, JJJ! You pitched great, buddy.

(And I'm with Jon, it's hard not to feel good about Johnson's comeback, even if it's likely short-lived. But you never know - look at Chan Ho.)

2008-07-30 11:10:12
7.   Kuo-fax
Continuing with the questions of free agents departing, I notice nobody has mentioned Nomar. Is this because he isn't even Type B, would be too risky to offer arb or just forgotten? Anyone know?
2008-07-30 11:10:16
8.   cargill06
Jason Johnson, Chan Ho Park, Eric Stults just this year.

Countless others in previous years, you have to think the Dodgers are one of the best teams in the leauge in finding fake pitchers.

2008-07-30 11:10:27
9.   sporky
6 Conversely, look at Stults :|
2008-07-30 11:12:28
10.   ToyCannon
2008-07-30 11:13:05
11.   underdog
Reposting this link -- Jim Callis of BA hosting chat as we speak:

I wish they'd go to a CoverItLive type live blogging software instead of that old school way, but whatever. Odds of any of us getting a question answered by him are roughly 1-1000.

2008-07-30 11:14:09
12.   ibleedbloo
631 Thanks Eric. It's also comforting to know that there is no upside to offering Nomar arbitration. Should the Dodgers offer Kent arbitration? It might be bad news if he pulls a Favre.
2008-07-30 11:14:47
13.   bhsportsguy
Actually 25 hours and 54 minutes until the deadline passes.

Here's a question for Canuck, Nate, ToyCannon, and the rest.

Assuming Kershaw gets 8 outs on Friday, who is the Dodgers's best prospect?

Out of the pre-season top ten, only Elbert, Withrow, McDonald and Baez remain eligible and certainly Withrow and Baez have not moved their stock this year.

Certainly, De Jesus, Lambo, Gallagher, Martin, Kyle Russell, Morris now enter the picture but the excitement that surrounded the last few years of Dodger prospects may finally be leveling off after a tremendous 5 year period.

2008-07-30 11:14:50
14.   Eric Stephen
On second thought, Blake might end up a Type B. He's going to probably straddle the line between B & A though.
2008-07-30 11:17:23
15.   JoeyP
#1. DeJesus
#2. Lambo
#3. Gallagher
#4. McDonald
#5. Russell
2008-07-30 11:17:47
16.   Bob Timmermann
Thanks. If I today were really Thursday, I'd be in big trouble.
2008-07-30 11:18:32
17.   Bluebleeder87
I agree we definitely need to give Hu a legit shot.
2008-07-30 11:20:15
18.   dzzrtRatt
What's the chance we can keep Park after this season? Of all the Dodgers poor-to-middling reclamation projects over the past few years, Park's stands out as a complete success. I think he's legit, and can probably sustain another two years at this level of productivity if he doesn't get hurt. I don't want him pitching for someone else next year, especially not in our division.
2008-07-30 11:21:17
19.   CanuckDodger
13 -- Elbert will be our top prospect once Kershaw loses his eligibility, in my way of thinking..
2008-07-30 11:21:36
20.   Eric Stephen
Nomar barely qualified as a Type B last season, and that included his fine 2006 campaign. The rankings are based on the trailing two years stats, so for this upcoming offseason 2007-2008 stats will be used and I would guess Nomar doesn't come close to Type B status.

If he's not a Type A or B free agent, there is no reason to offer him arbitration since there's no compensation. If the club wants him back, they can simply negotiate with him when he becomes a free agent.

2008-07-30 11:22:00
21.   underdog
15 - Top 4 seems about right. Elbert should be in the top 6 or 7, no? Josh Bell up in top 10. Yeah, definitely a weakened group compared to recent years but it could move back up pretty soon.
2008-07-30 11:22:26
22.   underdog
Er, top 4-5, I meant.
2008-07-30 11:26:09
23.   Bluebleeder87
you guys have to under stand that Park is to legit to legit to quit...
2008-07-30 11:27:28
24.   regfairfield
13 Off the top of my head...

McDonald, Elbert, Lambo, Gallagher, DeJesus then it gets way more confusing. Just consider the source of this opinion.

2008-07-30 11:28:41
25.   Jon Weisman
18 - The chances are good he'll stick, but it's not something to get stressed about.
2008-07-30 11:29:25
26.   Bob Timmermann
I believe that Chan Ho Park means "Rudy Seanez" in Korean.
2008-07-30 11:30:58
27.   silverwidow
1. Scott Elbert
2. James McDonald
3. Ivan DeJesus Jr.
4. Ethan Martin
5. Andrew Lambo
2008-07-30 11:34:08
28.   Kevin Lewis
Rudy's K/BB ratio took a major dive
2008-07-30 11:34:22
29.   CanuckDodger
24 -- You mention five of my top 6 right now.
2008-07-30 11:36:17
30.   Sushirabbit
I "heart" Russell Martin.

The only time I feel like an LA guy (and I'm really not) is when the Dodgers play the Giants. Staying up late is brutal. But I have to do it. Thank God my wife understands.

Since Vin clearly reads this, I just want to say how much I appreciate his "On this day..." reports.

2008-07-30 11:36:29
31.   Sagehen
I agree that Hu deserves another shot. It needs to be a success, though, if the Dodgers are going to allow him take over the job full-time, so a little bit more development time in August won't hurt him. If Furcal and Nomar are still hurting in September, though, I will be gravely disappointed if Hu doesn't get a shot.

That said, I'd like to see Hu up now just for the defense that he brings. It's not likely, though, because, if I'm not mistaken, Berroa and Ozuna are out of options -- not that we'd run any risk of losing Berroa if we sent him down, or that it would be any loss if we did. But I doubt management thinks that way.

If Nomar goes on the DL, Hu could be called up to replace him, but Berroa and Ozuna will still be on the team for those reasons.

I think we probably need a decent pinch hitter more than we need Hu up. He's not on the 40 man roster, but I'd be tempted to give Lindsey a chance, given the season he's had. There's Tiffee when he gets back from the Olympics (also necessitating a 40 man roster move). Even Repko would be worth trying over Jones and Sweeney at this point. Our bench pinchhitting option is LaRoche, but I don't have a problem with him getting some regular playing time to get his bat hot again.

Sorry for the long rambling post here. I want Hu. I want a decent pinchhitter. Sending down the seldom used Troncosco would allow both.

2008-07-30 11:37:33
32.   Jon Weisman
26 - exactly.
2008-07-30 11:39:12
33.   Bluebleeder87
26 if Park maintains that velocity he definitely is not Seanez.
2008-07-30 11:42:03
34.   Eric Stephen
I should add that the arbitration / FA rules have changed in the last couple of years. As recently as 2004, if a club didn't offer arbitration to a free agent by early December (the deadline date is different each year), the club could not sign said player until May (I always forget if it was May 1 or May 15).

The Dodgers tried to come to terms with playoff winner Jose Lima after his 2004 campaign, but the sides could not strike a deal before the arbitration deadline. The Dodgers then declined arbitration and Lima ended up signing with KC.

Covered by Jon here:

Now clubs can negotiate with a FA even if they don't offer arbitration.

2008-07-30 11:42:14
35.   Sagehen
Given that Park's only success has been with the Dodgers, I think he is motivatated to stay here if at all possible. Unless Ned does something stupid and completely lowballs him, I think Park stays.
2008-07-30 11:43:24
36.   Bob Timmermann
The NFL is getting rid of the "forceout" rule for receivers on sideline plays.

Get both feet down or it doesn't count.

2008-07-30 11:43:46
37.   regfairfield
33 Rudy Seanez was throwing really hard for the Dodgers.
2008-07-30 11:43:53
38.   old dodger fan
Interesting stats

Angels 66-40 Scored 480; given up 437; +43 runs

A's 53-53; scored 446; given up 404; +42 runs

2008-07-30 11:46:10
39.   silverwidow
Tracy Ringolsby has another anti-Dodger article up at

Stupid agendas.

2008-07-30 11:46:28
40.   Jon Weisman
36 - They've narrowed the playing field!
2008-07-30 11:47:18
41.   standuptriple
They looked primed for a 1st round playoff exit, assuming they even make it in.
2008-07-30 11:47:43
42.   Eric Stephen
Dodger-related question from the Jim Callis chat:

>>>who has more upside potential? who is more likely to be a productive regular? LaRoche, DeWitt, or Brandon Wood?

Jim Callis: (2:31 PM ET ) LaRoche.<<<

2008-07-30 11:48:03
43.   cargill06
36 if they're trying to get rid of the "grey area" calls, maybe they should give a defenitive defenition of what a hold is.
2008-07-30 11:50:16
44.   Bob Timmermann
According to the NFL, the situation came up just 18 times all of last season.

So the NFL just wants to make the out of bounds definitions simpler. Forceouts weren't subject to review.

I remember when the NBA had a "forceout" rule. Those were the days.

2008-07-30 11:51:27
45.   Eric Stephen
I wish I followed the NBA when the "3 to make 2" free throw rule was in place. That just sounds bizarre.
2008-07-30 11:51:34
46.   cargill06
Brendan: kershaw, price, or bumgarner?

Jim Callis: (2:49 PM ET ) Kershaw.

2008-07-30 11:53:20
47.   Bumsrap
Before I heard about Hu's vision problems I thought that Hu could come back after getting 50 at bats in Vegas. Now that perhaps most of his problem might have been eyesight, I think he should be brought back as soon as Nomar's status is known.

Nomar will make a great pinch hitter. If Nomar goes on the DL, Hu would have time to show if he can replace Berroa or Ozuna.

2008-07-30 11:53:46
48.   Marty
Playing basketball as a kid, whenever we were touched anywhere near the out of bounds line we'd yell FORCE OUT!

Just in case...

2008-07-30 11:54:54
49.   Bluebleeder87
Park & Seanez come from totally different baseball back grouds... I respectfully disagree.

Career starter
Career reliever

2008-07-30 11:55:22
50.   KG16
38 - there's a hundred different conclusions one could draw from that data point.
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2008-07-30 11:55:36
51.   Bob Timmermann
That was what you got when you were fouled when shooting and your team was in the bonus.
2008-07-30 11:56:06
52.   old dodger fan
45 It didn't seem any stranger than one and one.
2008-07-30 11:56:18
53.   Flonne

I believe Hu's bat is for real and he is a bonafide starter at shortstop. Sickels, Goldstein, Law, Neyer, and Callis said the same thing regarding to Hu. The thing is will management believe that the one month trial earlier in the season was indicative or an aberration of future performance. ( It's most likely the latter).

2008-07-30 11:56:46
54.   sporky
26 Chan Ho Park can actually mean 'cold pumpkin.' The guy had a pumpkin-flavored ice cream bar named after him.
2008-07-30 11:57:16
55.   Eric Stephen
This Callis excerpt sounds like a Keith Law chat:

>>>Jason (Birmingham MI): Edgar Renteria or a parking meter with a bat taped to it?

Jim Callis: (2:50 PM ET ) The parking meter might have more range, too.<<<

2008-07-30 11:57:25
56.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Dont stop thinking. Don't Self-defeat

Great post, but are you sure you want Ned thinking? See Jones, Pierre, Schmidt etc. for Coletti "thinking."

2008-07-30 12:00:49
57.   Sagehen
Logan: aberration
Ned: indicative
Who will win the front-office debate? Hu's future depends upon the answer.

(I'm leaving Torre out of this because I have no idea how he would come in on this -- I still like to believe he can be a good manager for these kids)

2008-07-30 12:02:24
58.   JayB
An observation: in the few games when Ardoin is in the line-up, and with the weak offense by any of the Dodger shortstops other than Garciapara, it seems like it is almost always a 1,2,3 out inning. Any comments on juggling the line-up a bit. For instance, moving Pierre to the 8th spot on those occasions???
2008-07-30 12:02:46
59.   Jon Weisman
48 - Totally.
2008-07-30 12:05:23
60.   68elcamino427
Just rushing in and out -

Great Post Jon - You are all over it.

Hope the Dodgers win again tonight.

2008-07-30 12:08:31
61.   ToyCannon
DeJesus, McDonald, Elbert, Lambo, Josh Bell, Austin Gallagher, Morris, Watt, Jensen

Picking look slim but we do have Hu, LaRoche, and DeWitt who lost eligibility cooling their heels in AAA so it is not as bad as it looks.

We have yet to see Withrow or Martin so they might be better then any of them but at some point Withrow has to throw some innings.

After Carlos Santana, Victor Garate was my favorite story this summer and I'm curious how he does in the Cal League. Could be a late blooming lefty. I still like Pedroza.

2008-07-30 12:09:24
62.   cargill06
*Steve (Las Vegas): Andrew Lambo... regular? backup? worse?

Jim Callis: Regular.*

2008-07-30 12:09:36
63.   Bluebleeder87
so watch Park blow us all away & bust a Saito surca a few years back.

I can dream can't I.

2008-07-30 12:09:49
64.   Doctor
Yankee broadcasters just mentioned that the Dodgers were looking at Brian Roberts in a trade, didn't say for whom.
2008-07-30 12:11:57
65.   Gilberto Reyes
I am in favor of the Dodgers standing pat at the trade deadline. I think the Angels move to acquire Texeira actually helped the Dodgers save their future. Arizona's offer to Atlanta appeared to be the best for the Braves until the Angels stepped up and offered Kotchman. If the D-Backs would have picked up Tex, I think Colletti would have been pressured to respond. A bad move like Jack Wilson for LaRoche would have been the likely result.
2008-07-30 12:13:38
66.   ToyCannon
Management has now seen Berroa perform exactly to expectations. If they feel that is better then Hu, because of one month of putridness then you have to question the decision making abilities of our management. Other then rust, Hu should be here right now and Berroa should be getting ready for winter baseball.
2008-07-30 12:15:35
67.   Kevin Lewis
Wow, Simers really likes to look at the situation without the proper context.
2008-07-30 12:16:22
68.   underdog
Roberts has been mentioned earlier this week, in rumors. Not sure if they have new info or are just quoting previous rumors. (I wouldn't mind Roberts replacing Kent, frankly, and even more so next year, but once again that old refrain: Am scared as to what the Dodgers would have to give up for him.)
2008-07-30 12:16:50
69.   Sagehen
With the pickings now a little slim, I have to ask this: Is the Logan Mystique all about two or so good drafts when he first started?

I'm running for cover as I ask, but it is an honest question. I am still a Logan fan.

2008-07-30 12:17:48
70.   ToyCannon
Canuck - what is the story with Luis Ferreras pitching in AA. They couldn't promote someone from the Cal league, they had to snag this 18 year old?
2008-07-30 12:18:06
71.   underdog
39 Ringolsby is always anti-Dodger it seems to me so I won't take him too seriously. In fact, I can't even bring myself to read it. Anyone got the Clif's Notes?
2008-07-30 12:19:19
72.   fanerman
66 Management wasn't expecting anything beyond Mendoza Line performance?
2008-07-30 12:20:05
73.   MC Safety
I wonder what it would take to get Brian Roberts.
2008-07-30 12:20:07
74.   underdog
69 Others will want to chime in but from what I can tell, it's more a matter of timing at this very moment. A lot of the fruits of his labor are now being productive on the Dodgers, with a few others very close by in Vegas. Then a few are injured or recovering from injuries. And plenty more are just too young to be close to impact yet. It's sort of a lull period that doesn't prove much against him, imho. But we'll see how these last two draft classes fare in the next couple of years.
2008-07-30 12:21:12
75.   OhioBlues12
71 - Samething we have heard a million times. Angels claiming superiority in So. Cal, Angels making bold moves, Dodgers all talk, blah blah blah.
2008-07-30 12:22:35
76.   Kevin Lewis
Interesting to see the Blue Jays dugouts are just about field level with no protection in front (as far as I can tell)

That seems to be asking for some injuries.

2008-07-30 12:22:35
77.   underdog
Meanwhile, the Minneapolis Star Tribune's Joe Christensen, who is normally fairly reliable, writes this:
>>If the Twins trade for a second baseman to replace the injured Alexi Casilla, it won't be Baltimore's Brian Roberts, according to a person familiar with the situation.

The Twins talked to the Orioles about Roberts last winter, but this month, the O's have told teams he's not available.<<

2008-07-30 12:22:41
78.   ToyCannon
Legitimate question. No one can live up to those drafts but has he done okay since then relative to his peers and his draft position?
2006 is looking good when you consider Kershaw. 2007 has Lambo who looks like a steal compared to where he was drafted. Watt has come on like gangbusters.
It will be a good exercise this winter to look at it in more detail. He certainly is not shooting blanks.
2008-07-30 12:23:54
79.   thinkblue0
you're right about pitching, but the OF could use work. Why not see if we can package say Eithier and Laroche for Jason Bay? Then DFA Jones. Sure, we eat the salary but his spot in the lineup kills us.

Outfield of Bay, Pierre and Kemp? Definitely an upgrade.

2008-07-30 12:24:54
80.   Jon Weisman
71 - The Dodgers think they're so great. They think they can throw payroll at a problem and solve it. Well, they're wrong. And by the way - they need to make a move!
2008-07-30 12:24:55
81.   SevenNineSixtyFive
Jon -

Since I took the time to call out your last post, I want to commend you on this one. Measured and spot on, I thought, in every regard.

And as someone who's dealt with the whole diabetes/insulin thing, I'm even more impressed by what Johnson accomplished - in this game and throughout his career. In a way, I would think it's even tougher to handle the pressures of relieving than starting, though, which is what he was doing before last night. For instance, if I know I'm going to go on a run, I can adjust by upping the carb intake and/or decreasing insulin intake before hand. I've never had a pump - thank god - but the issues are the same whether the insulin is delivered through a pump or self-injected. Heavy exercise simulates/stimulates insulin in the body (which it does depends on your reserves) so that if you don't adjust your insulin (downward) and carbs (upward), you can have a dangerous "down" (low blood sugar), and actually pass out or worse.

Which means you can plan for a start. But being in the bull pen would be much tougher. I would have to think that he prepares for each game as if he's going to play, and then - if he doesn't - either works out for an hour or so after the game, or increases his insulin intake at that point. Or both. (Otherwise, assuming that he upped his carbs and/or decreased his insulin, he might end up with a high blood sugar count.)

I'm hopeful about the team as well - and even more hopeful for cool heads. It's a funny thing about the uncertainty of the Dodger front office - one has to wonder after a while if, despite how much one may disagree with his actions and/or philosophy, Coletti is to blame, or if the true origins of that uncertainty lie higher up.

2008-07-30 12:25:17
82.   ToyCannon
I would enjoy seeing Brian Roberts playing 2nd base for the Dodgers either this year or next year but I'd rather just sign Mark Ellis then trade for Roberts.
2008-07-30 12:27:44
83.   ToyCannon
I just like to see the old journeyman succeed when everyone expects disaster. Since Bob lost Maza as his favorite Dodger he can now turn his affection toward JJ.
2008-07-30 12:31:07
84.   underdog
80 Gack. Glad I skipped it.

Is there a place to post comments/feedback there?

81 Thanks for adding personal insight on the diabetes thing. I have friends in the same situation and I'm always impressed with how they handle it - and impressed with the new technology they have now which makes it easier to deal with. And that was yet another reason I've been pulling for Johnson. (And another reason I'm rooting even harder for Jay Cutler this season.)

2008-07-30 12:31:25
85.   Sagehen
81 Thanks. That explains quite nicely why the Dodgers moved Johnson into the rotation as quickly as possible, even though there were other candidates (Park in particular), who were doing quite well there. Needing Park for the 7th inning just hasn't struck me as enough of an explanation.
2008-07-30 12:33:02
86.   Sagehen
74, 78. Thanks for responding. I will look forward to such an analysis this winter.
2008-07-30 12:34:47
87.   CanuckDodger
70 -- About Ferreras pitching in Jacksonville, if they needed an emergency pitcher it makes sense that it would be somebody from the GCL team, as those players would be in the same state as Jacksonville -- can't really fly in somebody from the other side of the country to "fill in" for a couple of innings. Why the 18-year-old Ferreras got picked to be that guy, when there are some older pitchers on the GCL team, I can only think he is exceptionally polished for his age. I believe two years ago the 18-year-old Steven Johnson got in a few innings with Jacksonville too, when Jacksonville needed an extra arm.
2008-07-30 12:35:19
88.   MC Safety
82 I read McPhail wanted to get a young SS out of Sherril nut was unsuccessful. If that applied to Roberts also, we should almost certainly be in mix offering Hu or Ivan Jr.
2008-07-30 12:37:46
89.   underdog
85 I'm sort of guessing here, but I think they like Park in long relief and haven't wanted to push it too much with him getting too many starts. I would think they feel the same about Kuo, who has been unbelievably good in relief, so why muck with it. But having Johnson do well just gives the Dodgers now 3 solid options for starting + long relief, which is more than a lot of teams have.
2008-07-30 12:39:24
90.   okdodge
Just got tickets to watch the 51's play in OKC on Friday night. I'll give an update on Saturday.
2008-07-30 12:39:37
91.   Jon Weisman
Plaschke has a 48-second video up at the Times called "Dodgers, it's your turn."

It's everything you expect, except he talks in one paragraph.

2008-07-30 12:39:53
92.   Bluebleeder87
anyways... I really hope Hu gets a serious look at short and doesn't get the La Roche, Betemit and Aybar treatment. Veremos.
2008-07-30 12:40:28
93.   ssjames
69 In order to properly evaluate, you need to look at what you expect out of a draft generally. A good draft would give you two major league contributors as a rule. More than that is great and one is sort of average. When you look at the drafts in question with Logan here is what you see for possible/probable major league contributors:

2002: James Loney, Johnathan Broxton, Delwyn Young, Russell Martin, Eric Stults (Possibles Greg Miller, Zach Hammes).

2003: Chad Billingsley, Matt Kemp, Andy LaRoche, Travis Denker [traded] (Xavier Paul, Lucas May)

2004: Scott Elbert, Blake Dewitt, Justin Ordenduff, Cory Wade (Justin Ruggiano)

2005: Ivan Dejesus, Josh Bell, John Meloan (Steven Johnson)

2006: Clayton Kershaw, Bryan Morris (Kyle Orr, Preston Mattingly, Jaime Ortiz)

2007: Chris Winthrow, Michael Watt, Austin Gallagher, Andew Lambo, Justin Miller, Jaime Pedroza, Bobby Blevins, Timothy Sexton.

Now obviously looking at that list of players who either are or could substantially develop into major leaguers, I would say it is fair to say that Logan is still doing a great job.

The issue is that several players are just over the prospect limit, but have not really been integrated into the team yet which hurts when just ranking players who qualify as prospects.

Such players include Kershaw, LaRoche, Hu and Dewitt. If those were the top 4 with rest making up the top 10 we would say that we have a great system which is closer to the truth.

2008-07-30 12:42:49
94.   Sagehen
89 That does seem to be a huge difference this year. In the past, when the starting pitcher had a bad night, that was it. Grady used to drive me nuts, not letting any reliever go more than two innings. This year, though, when the starter has an off night, a long reliever comes in and keeps the Dodgers in the game without blowing through the entire bullpen. Is it a difference between how Grady and Torre handle the pitching staff? Or is that this year, the Dodgers have some quality long relievers. Hmmm. I tend to think it's both. Park and Kuo are certainly a huge improvement over Hendrickson.
2008-07-30 12:43:22
95.   underdog
93 Nicely done.

(Reminds me, too, I forgot about Bryan Morris earlier.)

90 If you go Saturday, too, I believe you'd get to see Brad Penny pitching in his home state. :-)

2008-07-30 12:45:20
96.   Sagehen
93 Nice. Thank you.
2008-07-30 12:45:22
97.   okdodge
I thought he was going to pitch on Friday, but after reading around I found out otherwise. I really wanted to see Penny, but I'll be out of town on Saturday. Any idea who's pitching on Friday?
2008-07-30 12:45:26
98.   Bob Timmermann
Is it like an Osama bin Laden tape?

"Dodgers, you must trade for a great shortstop! Or I will rain down fire on all your middle infielders! Stadium Way will be awash in their blood!"

2008-07-30 12:48:02
99.   ssjames
93 For comparision's sake lets look at the players who made the majors from the 6 drafts before Logan's:

1996: Damian Rolls, Alex Cora, Peter Bergeron, Ted Lilly, Wayne Franklin, Jeff Keubenka

1997: Steven Colyer,

1998: Bubba Crosby, Scott Proctor, David Ross

1999: Jason Repko, Drew Meyer, Joe Thurston, Shane Victorrino, Eric Junge, Reggie Abercrombie

2000: Ben Diggins, Joel Hanrahan, Shane Nance, Victor Diaz

2001: Edwin Jackson, Michael Holliman, Clint Sammons

After looking at the two lists, I want to sign Logan White to a 50 year contract today.

2008-07-30 12:49:54
100.   CanuckDodger
93 -- James McDonald is an 11th rounder from the 2002 draft, and Wesley Wright from the 2003 draft (7th rounder) has been in the Astros' bullpen since the start of the season.
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2008-07-30 12:51:32
101.   ToyCannon
Don't forget McDonald from the 2002 draft.
2008-07-30 12:51:33
102.   Jon Weisman
98 - His first word is "Boom!"
2008-07-30 12:52:03
103.   ssjames
100 Missed those because there were just so many from those 2 years. They should be included too.
2008-07-30 12:52:09
104.   ToyCannon
Dang, I took the time to verify.
2008-07-30 12:52:33
105.   underdog
This may have been posted earlier but Jerry Crasnick on ESPN has a really good perspective check on past deadline deals, some of which were praised at the time only to look bad in hindsight (and vice versa, depending on which team you're talking about).

On the Cleveland-Expos trade involving Bartolo Colon (with Grady Sizemore, Cliff Lee(!) and Brandon Phillips going to Cleveland):
>>In the pre-blogging days, when Baseball America is the only outlet monitoring every breath that prospects take, Minaya is widely praised for his coup. Montreal columnist Jack Todd refers to him as "brilliant" and says he has "utterly changed the way the Expos do business" since coming over from the Mets.

Cleveland GM Mark Shapiro resides in a different place -- at the wrong end of talk-radio hell. While Indians fans go on a universal rant, Colon's teammates are crushed by his departure. Several Cleveland veterans speculate that they might be the next to go.<<

As he hints, if this trade happened today, with people/fans much more knowledgable about prospects and protective of them, the trade would not garner quite the same reaction, I would imagine, though no one probably would predict Sizemore and Lee would be as successful as they were. But the criticism of it would certainly be less.

2008-07-30 12:52:39
106.   Ken Noe
91 I think he had too much caffeine this morning. We're one hitter away from an all LA World Series?
2008-07-30 12:55:05
107.   jujibee
78. The top ten would look really really good with Alex White and Kyle Blair in it. Let's not forget that we had the chance to sign these guys and it came down to a monetary issue, not necessarily a draft issue. So yeah, I would say White still stands pretty high on the "talent evaluation" list.
2008-07-30 12:56:31
108.   ToyCannon
I like to call those drafts the "26th Player Period".

Koyie Hill gets no love, not even a mention in failed drafts. I noticed he was still trying to make it back in AAA.

2008-07-30 12:58:06
109.   underdog
105 And of course DPD's "heart and soul" trade is on Crasnick's list, too.
2008-07-30 13:00:10
110.   ToyCannon
A rotation of Kershaw/Billingsley/David Price haunts Logan's nights. If only the kid liked money more then the allure of college coeds.
2008-07-30 13:02:54
111.   ssjames
107 If you really wanted to do that you could include Luke Hochevar, David Price and Joe Savery.
2008-07-30 13:04:21
112.   CanuckDodger
White's latest claim to scouting glory is probably drafting Michael Watt and Austin Gallagher last year. 2nd and 3rd round picks respectively, Baseball America had not even ranked them among the top 200 draft eligible amateurs before the 2007 draft, and said they had to play college ball before they would be ready for the pros. This year, in the pros, both players have surpassed whatever modest expectations anybody could have had for them.
2008-07-30 13:19:19
113.   KG16
the Long Beach Grand Prix will now be an Indy Car event. I'm not entirely sure what that means but it seems like a cool thing.

Of course the drifter race is always the best one to watch anyway.

2008-07-30 13:27:23
114.   Terry A
As if his columns weren't bad enough, now there's video to be ignored as well?
2008-07-30 13:29:11
115.   trainwreck
Pudge to the Yanks.
2008-07-30 13:32:24
116.   goofus
DY mentioned that LaRoche was still in LA during the earthquake the other day. Any speculation as to why that is so? They could be holding him ready to take the place of someone who is going to be released or traded, or, more likely, they are still trying to work out a trade starring him.
2008-07-30 13:32:50
117.   ToyCannon
Does that mean Inge back to full time catcher?
2008-07-30 13:33:55
118.   trainwreck
Pudge for Farnsworth.
2008-07-30 13:34:17
119.   ToyCannon
Possibly they had him hang around in case they put Nomar on the DL. He hadn't probably left yet when Nomar got hurt so it would have been easy to manage.
2008-07-30 13:36:53
120.   regfairfield
118 Wow, makes complete sense for both teams.
2008-07-30 13:37:44
121.   JoeyP
112--Watt hasnt really dont anything extraordinary. He's done pretty well, but it's still only Ogden.

Gallagher's much more impressive.
His numbers look very James Loney-ish though. High average, minimal HR power. Hopefully as his body fills out, he hits more homers.

2008-07-30 13:38:20
122.   whodat807
I don't follow the AL nearly as closely as I do the NL... has Pudge declined so much that he wasn't worth more than just Farnsworth?
2008-07-30 13:38:29
123.   trainwreck
I went over to post the news on Bronx Banter and it took all of one response for someone to insult me.
2008-07-30 13:38:29
124.   D4P
Reporter's question: Is Kobe really the best player in the world?

Paul Pierce's response: I don't think Kobe is the best player. I'm the best player. There's a line that separates having confidence and being conceited. I don't cross that line but I have a lot of confidence in myself.

2008-07-30 13:42:26
125.   JoeyP
Good trade for the Yanks in that Pudge is a better option than Jose Molina or Moeller.

Not sure how it helps the Tigers.

2008-07-30 13:45:12
126.   bhsportsguy
123 It was more like, Sources, you don't have any sources, we need stinkin' sources here my friend.
2008-07-30 13:45:19
127.   Neal Pollack
What kind of miracle does the media expect the Dodgers to pull? The Casey Blake trade was our big deadline deal, and from early returns, it HAS made the team better.
2008-07-30 13:45:52
128.   Tripon
It helps the Tigers because Kyle Fransworth can punch Jim Leyland in the face, and then they have to replace him.
2008-07-30 13:46:14
129.   Brian Y
From Ken Davidoff of Newsday:

The Indians are likely to trade starting pitcher Paul Byrd, with the Dodgers among the reported suitors.

The interest is surprising; the Dodgers were not thought to be after starting pitching. Byrd has about $2.7MM left on his contract and carries a 4.93 ERA in 20 starts.

2008-07-30 13:46:40
130.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Can somebody give me a quick rundown of what it means to "offer arbitration?"

I understand this to mean that you offer to bring the FA back at something close to the salary they just got. Is that right?

If that is the case, I'd have to think there is no way the Yankees would offer arbitration to Pudge after this season, as those at Bronx Banter are gleefully suggesting.

2008-07-30 13:46:56
131.   regfairfield
125 Can you name anyone in that bullpen?
2008-07-30 13:47:23
132.   Brian Y
I don't know, I am fine with Jason Johnson or Chan Ho....even Maddux. But Paul Byrd?? What else could the Tribe take from us?
2008-07-30 13:47:38
133.   ToyCannon
Overall no, but with these kids you are looking for growth, per True Blue:
"19 year old Michael Watt is on a roll with 3 straight outstanding outings. 25 strikeouts, 3 walks, and only 2 earned runs in his last 17 innings."
2008-07-30 13:47:53
134.   whodat807
129 Byrd? That would be a baffling move.
2008-07-30 13:49:13
135.   ToyCannon
Zumaya, Rodney, and T Jones. Who couldn't name those if you follow baseball? Farnsworth will help, this is a solid deal for both teams.
2008-07-30 13:51:39
136.   RIYank
130 If a team offers arbitration, and the player accepts, then an arbiter determines the player's salary. It has nothing much to do with the salary for the previous year.

Given the catchers market right now, I doubt I-Rod would accept arbitration. He'll want a multi-year deal before he gets too old.

2008-07-30 13:51:52
137.   Tripon
134 Which is why Ned would do it? Maybe McCourt put Ned on a "Only trade with the Indians" restriction. As for bringing Byrd back to Socal, wouldn't just keeping Johnson or Park in the rotation give us better production than what Byrd can?
2008-07-30 13:51:52
138.   Tripon
134 Which is why Ned would do it? Maybe McCourt put Ned on a "Only trade with the Indians" restriction. As for bringing Byrd back to Socal, wouldn't just keeping Johnson or Park in the rotation give us better production than what Byrd can?
2008-07-30 13:52:01
139.   Marty
I'd rather have Larry Bird.
2008-07-30 13:52:17
140.   whodat807
135 That said, Zumaya's hurt and Jones has an ERA pushing 5. Still, trading Pudge makes it look like the Tigers are throwing in the towel, no?
2008-07-30 13:52:36
141.   ToyCannon
He's already to old.
2008-07-30 13:55:36
142.   cargill06
Bronx Banter is acting like they just traded for Johnny Bench.
2008-07-30 13:56:33
143.   ToyCannon
I don't think so. They have Inge who has caught 24 games this year to move to full time duty. They may not need much offense from him with Miggy going off in the 2nd half to pick up the offensive dropoff between Pudge and Inge.
2008-07-30 13:57:00
144.   RIYank
141 Yeah, he is, but too old for a multi-year contract, do you think? I bet he gets one because the current catcher market is so bad.
2008-07-30 13:57:31
145.   Terry A
Byrd might be a cheap replacement if they trade Lowe for a bigger return.
2008-07-30 13:58:32
146.   ToyCannon
The difference between Jose Molina and Pudge must make it feel like Johnny Bench.

It would be like us upgrading from Kent to Brian Roberts by only trading Proctor.

2008-07-30 13:58:49
147.   Terry A
Also, just before I visited DT just now, I wrote a letter in which I referenced "Turn, Turn, Turn" by The Byrds.

So that's cool.

2008-07-30 13:59:36
148.   regfairfield
135 I thought Zumaya and Rodney were hurt. Todd Jones is, well, bad.
2008-07-30 14:00:17
149.   ToyCannon
Bengie had a hard time getting anyone to give him anything. I guess someone will but I doubt it will be a team in contention. Maybe he goes back to the Marlins so I could be wrong.
2008-07-30 14:01:03
150.   Alex41592
135 - Inge will take over behind the plate and Pudge hasn't been very good since 2004. It's not a bad move but more of a 'meh' type move. Jose Molina is better defensively than Pudge. Pudge is better offensively but not enough to make a great difference. Ivan Rodriguez is just a name these days.
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2008-07-30 14:02:47
151.   RIYank
149 True, but Posada got a deal, and there were other buyers than the Yankees. He's the same age as Pudge. Also, when Pudge went to the TIgers, he was obviously not too concerned about being with a contender.

Yeah, you've convinced me, actually, it's a bit of a gamble to offer him arbitration. But then again, a team isn't actually bound by the arbitration. You can cut the guy instead of paying him. So the loss would only be the draft compensation.
They'll offer arbitration, I'm pretty sure.

2008-07-30 14:03:55
152.   ToyCannon
Rodney was given the closer job last week. Zumaya did hurt himself but he's ready to pitch this week according to his manager.
2008-07-30 14:04:57
153.   regfairfield
152 He was hurt for a while though right? Even so, the team needs more than one arm.
2008-07-30 14:05:08
154.   RIYank
150 I don't think you realize how bad Molina is offensively. His OPS+ is 58.
Jose Molina is really, really good at throwing out base runners, which was a nice feeling after Posada (esp. the hurt version of Posada). But he can't hit, at all. Really.
2008-07-30 14:05:11
155.   ToyCannon
Didn't Posada break all the rules and have a career year in his mid 30's for a catcher.
2008-07-30 14:05:43
156.   Tripon
136 Arbitration usually makes player salaries go up. And there is times when teams offer it with no intention of resigning the player and it blows up in their face. Re: Maddux 2003 and the Brave.
2008-07-30 14:06:19
157.   D4P
Didn't Posada break all the rules and have a career year in his mid 30's for a catcher

Things that make ya' go hmmmmmm......

2008-07-30 14:07:02
158.   Sushirabbit
Ya reckon Ned is going after Oswalt?
2008-07-30 14:07:07
159.   ToyCannon
Sure, they all were, which is why they made the deal. I just didn't consider any of them to be no - names. Who could forget how Zumaya would do a brain fart everytime he had to throw to a base during the world series.
2008-07-30 14:08:26
160.   D4P
Silly (Sushi)rabbit. The Astros are in a pennant race!
2008-07-30 14:08:55
161.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
Can you really just cut the guy and not pay him if he accepts arbitration? If that were the case, then it seems to me there would be no risk to offering arbitration, and everybody would do it. Am I missing something?
2008-07-30 14:08:55
162.   RIYank
151 Indeed. That, plus the fact that he had relatively few catcher-years under his belt for his age (he converted relatively late) made him a more reasonable long-term signing. Also, I'm sure sentiment had a lot to do with it.
2008-07-30 14:09:40
163.   Alex41592
154 - Don't get me wrong. Jose Molina is brutal offensively, but the overall gain is minimal. Pudge is a contact hitter with no discipline, little to no power and strikes out a good amount as well.
2008-07-30 14:09:59
164.   RIYank
161 I think so. I don't have a print source, I heard a discussion of it on the radio yesterday, involving Ken Rosenthal.
2008-07-30 14:10:08
165.   underdog
I still think it's a good, no-brainer trade for the Yankees, given, as RIYank mentions, how bad their situation as been since Posada went out. Farnsworth isn't much at all to give up. Old or not, he's an upgrade. The arbitration/draft pick issue is going to be trickier, no slam dunk they get the draft picks. But regardless, I still think this was a solid move by the Yankees.

That said, as my Dad the Yanks fan just wrote me, "Nice move but I want them to get Washburn. Ponson is a total crapshoot. Hughes may be back soon and then Wang, but after the first three starters they're really still hurting." So, starter anyone? Maybe they should trade for Paul Byrd. We don't want him.

2008-07-30 14:10:44
166.   Eric Stephen
Can somebody give me a quick rundown of what it means to "offer arbitration?"

There are two types of arbitration:

1) those for pre-free agency years (a player is eligible after 3 years service time, or the top 17% of service time of players with more than two years service but less than three)

2) those for players filing for free agency, which is the one we usually speak about here.

Right after the World Series, players can file for free agency. By December 1 (or sometime around there), the clubs must decide whether or not to offer arbitration to a potentially leaving FA. The player has 7 days to accept or decline the offer.

If the player accepts, he is bound to the club for one year. The two sides (player and club) exchange offers, and if they can't come to agreement before February, an arbitration hearing will take place. Both sides present their case, and the arbiter must pick one of the two salary figures (submitted by the player and club). The arbitration hearing is the same process for pre-FA players as well. For instance, Broxton, Martin & Ethier are arbitration eligible this offseason.

If the player declines, he is a free agent. If he is a Type A (top 20% in his position group according to Elias rankings based to previous two years) free agent, the signing club must give it's first round draft pick to the player's previous club. If the signing team's draft pick is in the top 15, they don't have to give their 1st rounder but rather the 2nd rounder. In addition, the old club gets a supplemental pick "sandwiched" between the 1st & 2nd round. Type B players (top 20-30%) fetch only the sandwich pick.

2008-07-30 14:11:22
167.   RIYank
163 Dude, it's over 40 points of OPS+. That's a very big upgrade.
2008-07-30 14:14:30
168.   ToyCannon
Ian Kennedy could probably do what Washburn can do. Hope they give him another shot, he may not be as good as he looked last year but just like Hu, he couldn't be as bad as he looked this year.
2008-07-30 14:15:09
169.   Eric Stephen
I forgot to mention the salaries for arbitration. Under the collective bargaining agreement, the max salary cut a player can receive is 20% (this does not apply for FA negotiated contracts). So the risk of offering, for example, Jeff Kent arbitration is that if he accepts the Dodgers would be on the hook for at least 80% of his current $9m salary, or $7.2m.

You can cut a player at some point in spring training, and only owe him 25% of his salary. But it is rare this occurs, usually because the players' association will file a grievance. The Padres did this with Todd Walker in spring training 2007, after going to arbitration with him just a month before.

2008-07-30 14:15:28
170.   Alex41592
167 - I agree. That still doesn't mean he's a good player anymore. But, he's an upgrade offensively over Molina without a doubt.
2008-07-30 14:15:29
171.   underdog
This is apropos of nothing but I am still cracking up at the recent FJM postings, including their 'greatest hits' of Joe Morgan chats, that had this line:

"No perfect teams. Teams have weaknesses. 1975. Tony Perez. There: I just gave you all the answers you will find in this JoeChat."

2008-07-30 14:15:36
172.   sporky
Paul Byrd?! Are they trying to gain leverage with the Padres by leaking this stuff?
2008-07-30 14:16:51
173.   underdog
168 I agree. But my dad's not buying it. ;-) Hopefully they won't trade Kennedy for Washburn.
2008-07-30 14:19:17
174.   D4P
I believe that Paul Byrd means "Esteban Loaiza" in English.
2008-07-30 14:21:15
175.   Harold M Johnson
I'm really interested to see what Hu can do. We know defensively he's the best option, and the chances of him breaking out and actually contributing more then Berroa are higher then the reverse.

Is Hu fast? Can he steal bases?

2008-07-30 14:23:15
176.   ToyCannon
A couple of weeks ago you couldn't have given away Washburn and his contract. Now he has a lucky month and Seattle thinks they can get someone to pay his contract and give them a real prospect. This guy sucks with some of the worse peripherals in the business.


2008-07-30 14:23:49
177.   ToyCannon
He has decent speed, he does not steal bases.
2008-07-30 14:26:01
178.   SevenNineSixtyFive

This is not an apology for Plashke - I rarely, if ever, agree with his thinking in regard to baseball, or sports in general - but I think it's a mistake to compare him to someone like the ESPN analysts, whose job is truly to try to weigh in on what's good and bad vis-a-vis baseball moves. Plashke is a columnist - his job is to "have a take" in Rome-ese, or "stir the sh--" to put it more bluntly, and to get people like us here to take notice, whether we like him & what he has to say or not. He's about quickening pulses and selling papers. And keeping his job. I think what he said about "Dodgers - it's your turn" is absurd - but I understand why he played that card.

That said - I think he's a lesser columnist because of it. Someone like Jim Murray or Red Smith could quicken pulses and also say something with real insight. But to look to Plashke for real analysis is probably like looking for potatoes in trees.

2008-07-30 14:26:04
179.   ToyCannon
Last year Estaban only cost us money, this year it looks like it would cost us a prospect to pay for his salary.
2008-07-30 14:26:44
180.   bhsportsguy
169 Per Eric's post.

The panel, without opinion, awards the player a one-year, non-guaranteed contract at one salary or the other. If the player is cut within 16 days before the season begins, he is entitled only to 30 days' termination pay.

If the player is cut during spring training but after the 16th day before the season begins, he is entitled only to 45 days' termination pay.

2008-07-30 14:29:06
181.   sporky
179 McDonald fits $-wise based on your revenue-neutral post.

22.5 hours left.

2008-07-30 14:29:16
182.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA students are quite familiar with the Potato Tree. It's over near the Math Sciences Building.

2008-07-30 14:30:46
183.   jasonungar07
The idea that my kid seems like he will walk at second for the first time seems like it will happen any second and never. It's nerve-wracking. It's an Ethier at bat when I wish for a Pierre at bat.
2008-07-30 14:31:33
184.   underdog
178 I agree. It's just sad that he either fills a "need" or thinks he does and panders to the masses with the same, predictable gobbledygook. It's really dumbed down journalism and like you said, particularly sad when you think of who the Times has had in the past in the sports columnist role. So while he is doing what he sees as his job, I think many of us feel that's a false need.
2008-07-30 14:31:57
185.   ToyCannon
That was tongue in cheek. If any of that comes to pass I won't be able to write being all big and green.
2008-07-30 14:32:18
186.   Tripon
Hey, maybe we were showcasing Jason Johnson.
2008-07-30 14:33:36
187.   underdog
From Steve Henson on Yahoo:

>>Maddux reiterated his desire to be traded only to a team on the West Coast. Several teams from the Midwest and East Coast have expressed serious interest, but Towers will continue to focus on dealing the future Hall-of-Fame pitcher to the Los Angeles Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels or Arizona Diamondbacks.

Towers and Dodgers GM Ned Colletti are expected to talk Wednesday, and the Dodgers are open to a deal.

"You can never have too much starting pitching," said a Dodgers source. "Even going to a six-man rotation is a possibility this time of year."<<

2008-07-30 14:33:38
188.   Eric Stephen
Thanks, I was just looking for that clause.
2008-07-30 14:34:30
189.   ToyCannon
You are amazingly timely.
2008-07-30 14:35:03
190.   underdog
I wouldn't mind having Maddux back again but the idea of giving the Padres any halfway decent prospect makes me aggravated.
2008-07-30 14:35:17
191.   Flonne

He's got good speed. Not a threat to steal every time though. Last year he was 15 out 23 in SB attempts.

2008-07-30 14:36:27
192.   D4P
Greg Maddux's ERA in 2008:

Home: 2.84
Away: 6.02

2008-07-30 14:37:28
193.   Sushirabbit
The whole money thing with Blake has me waiting for the other boot to drop.
2008-07-30 14:37:46
194.   sporky
Maddux is owed about $3.5M. I love Maddux, but only if the Dodgers agree to just eat his contract.
2008-07-30 14:38:05
195.   underdog
192 Just start him when we face the Padres. :-/
2008-07-30 14:39:05
196.   underdog
194 - You mean Padres, and I agree. And I don't think the Dodgers should do the Padres any favors which is sort of what this feels like.
2008-07-30 14:39:27
197.   Marty
183 Good luck. Hopefully he doesn't try to bunt!
2008-07-30 14:39:35
198.   Tripon
187 A six man rotation sounds good, if only because that should help Kuroda and everyone else perform better than they have.
2008-07-30 14:41:08
199.   sporky
196 Oops. Yeah. The Padres are moving him as a favor to the guy, and that's it.
2008-07-30 14:41:46
200.   underdog
Seems like Maddux is worth it purely for how he helps other pitchers. So can we acquire him cheaply and then have him just be a secondary pitching coach?

I can't see how he's any more effective on the mound than Eric Stults would be at this point.

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2008-07-30 14:42:29
201.   sporky
Or trade him for someone like... er.. John Lindsey.
2008-07-30 14:42:52
202.   D4P
With Micah Owings sucking at that whole "pitching" thing, the DBacks would seemingly be more likely to be interested in Maddux than the other two teams mentioned.
2008-07-30 14:43:11
203.   SevenNineSixtyFive
182 - I stand corrected :) (hysterical photo)
2008-07-30 14:43:22
204.   trainwreck
That's just what I was going to say.

That story about him instructing Penny was a great indicator of his knowledge of the game.

2008-07-30 14:43:59
205.   Alex41592
187 - Position it so Maddux never pitches at Chase Field and I'm all for it.

Maddux still owns the Giants and would pitch well at Dodger Stadium against anybody. If nothing else Penny, Kershaw, Billingsley and others would benefit greatly from him being there everyday.

2008-07-30 14:44:49
206.   Zak
187 Later in the article:

The above-mentioned Dodgers source then had to cut his conversation short because he had to unload a peanuts shipment that had just arrived at Dodger Stadium.

In all seriousness, the Dodgers only get Maddux for something like a PTBNL, and even then he is barely worth it. His value is far greater in the sense that Billz and Kershaw get to spend a couple of months talking to him and picking his brain. The only questions is, does AZ offer more than that especially since Owings was sent down? They need him more than we do.

Oh and it goes without saying that no way should they get Paul Byrd especially considering they can get Maddux for almost nothing.

2008-07-30 14:45:45
207.   CajunDodger
I like the idea of getting Maddux, but we may be the only team truly set on the pitching front. We have two guys in the bullpen who could start the rest of the season (Kuo, Park) with two guys supposedly readying themselves on rehab assignments. Very peculiar...

If we do get Maddux, I think another shoe will drop.

2008-07-30 14:46:08
208.   nick
I have special software that comes over and kicks the--well, a certain part of the anatomy of anybody who idly bandies about steriod accusations re. Posada....for the record: career year at 35, boosted by pure batting average luck, otherwise totally in line with 28-34 stats.
2008-07-30 14:48:18
209.   Ken Noe
Towers wants to dump Maddux's contract, so I can't imagine they'll ask much in return. The Paul Byrd thing, meanwhile, makes no sense to me at all unless we're also swapping Lowe to Chicago for Cabrera.
2008-07-30 14:48:36
210.   sporky
Some wishful thinking at Ducksnorts:

Padres send Maddux, Greene, and Meredith to Dodgers.
Dodgers send Kemp and Hu (ss) to Padres.

I think they're forgetting that Spicoli has an OPS+ of 64.

2008-07-30 14:50:06
211.   D4P
Oh: and did I mention how amusing it was to see Pudge lose all that weight once MLB started "cracking down" on PED use...?

Let's see: what other idle speculation can I bandie about...

2008-07-30 14:50:34
212.   sporky
210 I left out the best part:

>>They might want Bell instead of Meredith, and I'd still think hard about doing it.<<

2008-07-30 14:51:18
213.   trainwreck
We should throw in LaRoche and Billingsley to make it fair.
2008-07-30 14:51:48
214.   underdog
208 Where'd that happen? Must've missed it.

I have special software that dings whenever someone doesn't accuse Paul LoDuca of same.

2008-07-30 14:52:34
215.   underdog
210 That must be where the "snort" part of that site comes in.

{Snort!!} is all I can say.

2008-07-30 14:53:06
216.   Zak
My biggest fear with Maddux is that a conversation with Ned Colletti and Kevin Towers could end up as following. Oh, and I've changed all references from Maddux to oranges and from prospects to dollars.

Towers: Ned, I have this bag of oranges, which used to be historically good, that I want to give to you.

Ned: No thanks man, but I'm neck deep in oranges. We have so many oranges that we couldn't possibly use another.

Towers: But this bag of oranges gives you intangibles that no one else possesses. And it's yours for $2. Think about how all your other oranges will benefit from this. Plaschke will think you are an idiot, and McCourt may even increase your pocket money.

Ned: You're right. I did like those oranges the last time. All right, I'm sold I'll take the oranges for $2.

Towers: Oops, Arizona just came in and are offering $4.

Ned: No, no, no. That'll make me look bad. Look, here's $5 and I want those oranges.

Towers: Sorry, only $10 gets those oranges now. These are in high demand.

Ned: OK, I'll pay $8.

Towers: $12.

Ned: No, no. Here's $10. I need those oranges.

Towers: Sold.

(in background) Tampa Bay GM: See Kevin, I told you it would work.

2008-07-30 14:53:39
217.   bhsportsguy
Maybe its the opponents but Maddux would probably prefer to either pitch at Dodger Stadium or Petco rather than Chase.

In 67 IP at Chase Field, 6.01 ERA, 1.68 WHIP, .331 BAA. In 145 IP at Dodger Stadium, 3.09 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, .248 BAA.

2008-07-30 14:54:17
218.   John Hale
If I had a dollar for every time I walked under that potato tree I could pay for an Andruw Jones at-bat
I might be wrong but I believe I learned in freshman orientation that it was a result of the radiation from the engineering school Nuclear Reactor.
2008-07-30 14:55:24
219.   CajunDodger
How about Jones, Pierre and Ardoin to the Yanks for Cano and A-Rod.

They may want Sweeney and Jones, but I still might do it...

2008-07-30 14:56:33
220.   sporky
215 I should add that it was a commenter, not the author of the blog, who proposed that trade.
2008-07-30 14:56:54
221.   Zak
219 Please, Jones and Pierre are WS winners. What have Cano and A-Rod won? No, I'll only do it if they take Torre back.
2008-07-30 14:57:03
222.   Bob Timmermann
I think the nuclear radiation story about the potato tree has been around since the 1960s.

It is really a sausage tree:

2008-07-30 14:57:41
223.   Kevin Lewis

I would love to hear Plaschke's suggestions for a big deal based on what we need and what we would need to give up. Oh, and there is all that money in the outfield to deal with.

I wonder how long that video shot took

2008-07-30 14:57:47
224.   nick
214 Very nice!....(it was D4P)...btw, my dad likes Kennedy more than your dad does, it would seem....
2008-07-30 14:58:38
225.   Zak
222 Cool, that will solve my what-to-feed-my-hippo problem.
2008-07-30 14:59:16
226.   CajunDodger

Jones, Pierre, and Kuroda for Adrian Gonzalez and Maddux.


2008-07-30 15:00:36
227.   trainwreck
I want to try one now.
2008-07-30 15:00:40
228.   underdog
224 My dad loves anyone named Kennedy!

No but seriously he likes him and doesn't want him traded, is afraid they'll trade him this week... but isn't sure he's ready for the majors yet this years. I sort of disagree, or think he's worth a shot at this point.

2008-07-30 15:03:17
229.   bhsportsguy
Tonight's lineup posted by Josh R.

Kemp, RF
Blake, 3B
Martin, C
Kent, 2B
Loney, 1B
Jones, CF
Ethier, LF
Berroa, SS
Billingsley, P

2008-07-30 15:06:13
230.   Alex41592
229 - That I was not expecting. Torre actually benched Pierre.
2008-07-30 15:06:21
231.   das411
Oh boy...just when I get caught up on DT enough to post The Dugout's take on the Meloan/Blake trade, the NYY go out and trade Farnsworth for Pudge and most likely cause a website implosion the likes of which we haven't seen since Deadspin the day Barbaro died...uhoh...but, if anyone's still interested:

2008-07-30 15:06:35
232.   D4P
2008 vs. lefties:

Pierre: .372/.407/.419/.825
Jones: .188/.307/.313/.619

2008-07-30 15:06:50
233.   sporky
Could this possibly be the beginning of a Pierre/Jones platoon?
2008-07-30 15:07:03
234.   jasonungar07
Hear Pierre cryin',
but I know he cry not in vain.
Now the times are changin';
Kemp has come to leadoff again.

Hallelujah time!

2008-07-30 15:07:55
235.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Jones. Really. I mean, really?
2008-07-30 15:08:12
236.   Kevin Lewis
I am insulted to see Ethier batting behind Jones.
2008-07-30 15:09:56
237.   Bob Timmermann
At 2:58 pm, someone mentioned hippos. And it's 3:09 pm and there have been no references to hippos and Andruw Jones.

I sense some backsliding here.

2008-07-30 15:11:21
238.   MonkeyBlue
236. Indeed. Look like 3 easy out for the Giant pitcher today.
2008-07-30 15:13:11
239.   trainwreck
It's because Greg Brock's not around.
2008-07-30 15:13:30
240.   sporky
236 Ethier is an intercalator.
2008-07-30 15:14:01
241.   Bob Timmermann
Brock does not have a monopoly on "Andruw Jones is fat" jokes.
2008-07-30 15:14:14
242.   Alex41592
I'm very happy that Torre trusts Kemp enough to sit Pierre. Torre must be very high on Kemp because he never would've done this a month ago. This way Jones can be in the lineup and we actually don't lose much at all. I'll take this over Pierre playing over Ethier which would be the alternative any day.
2008-07-30 15:16:08
243.   silverwidow
Manny to the Marlins is serious right now.

Return for Boston is either Willingham or Hermida, plus a prospect.

2008-07-30 15:16:17
244.   Samhain
I just love this picture of Russell Martin talking to Nicolette Sheriden from Brian Kamnetsky's column on SportsHub L.A., and especially the headline of "Mrs. Robinson, You're trying To Seduce Me".

What makes the pic work for me is how wary Russell is of her posture, and how studiously he is avoiding looking down her shirt...

2008-07-30 15:16:20
245.   Tripon
Torre pulled JP for Jones the other day. For all the talk about that JP knows how to lead off, I know he's pissed that JP is also Slappy McFly.
2008-07-30 15:16:56
246.   Dane Bramage
242 When Jones keeps appearing in his lineups, I sometimes think Torre is high on Hemp...
2008-07-30 15:17:43
247.   D4P
This way Jones can be in the lineup and we actually don't lose much at all

...except that Pierre has been much better than Jones vs. LH this season. (see 232 )

2008-07-30 15:17:45
248.   ToyCannon
Whew, Jones is back. Love seeing Kent in that clean up spot. Someday his luck will change and those ProPs peripherals will translate into real production. He can't hit a line drive right at someone every game can he?

Berroa is so due for RBI's that he might collect four tonight due to the law of averages alone.

Sanchez had been solid but over the last 31 days he has been terrible.
8.47 ERA with a 1.88 WHIP

Tonight we roll

2008-07-30 15:18:41
249.   jasonungar07
Free Bob Dylan song of unreleased music from 1997 I think at Bob Dylan .com

New album out with bootlegs from that late 90's period.....coming soon. FYI

2008-07-30 15:18:50
250.   Harold M Johnson
Yeah I agree with the above, you need Ethier in the bottom 3 so that it's not Jones, Berroa, Billz.
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2008-07-30 15:19:07
251.   underdog
That line-up's unexpectedly great. And I guarantee you the only reason Jones is hitting before Ethier is to cut down on the chance of a 'black hole' at the bottom of the line-up. Can we have one day where people don't find something wrong with the line-up? I'm pretty okay with this one.
2008-07-30 15:19:30
252.   Kevin Lewis
Has anyone watched the Casey Blake video on the LAT website? I love the background noise. I can hear a crying baby and "Play that Funky Music White Boy"
2008-07-30 15:20:28
253.   underdog
Seriously, it's Jones or Pierre, and neither will make everyone happy here, but wouldn't you rather know they are platooning than the other two guys? I would.

And I better set my Tivo for this one because I shall be missing most of it live. Go Dodgers.

2008-07-30 15:20:40
254.   trainwreck
Jeff Allison is rumored to be the prospect. The Josh Hamilton of pitchers.
2008-07-30 15:21:43
255.   Alex41592
247 - Yeah I saw that. But, would you rather have Ethier on the bench? That was my point. Jones and Ethier > Jones and Pierre. If Jones is going to start some games it's better than Pierre sits.
2008-07-30 15:21:51
256.   jasonungar07
Breakout game tonight by Jones. Let's go. Pretend stats and eyes have meant nothing from here on out.
2008-07-30 15:21:53
257.   underdog
Aww, Nicolette brought her blue glove to the game, too.
2008-07-30 15:22:36
258.   Neal Pollack
The black hole is small tonight. Now I HAVE to watch this freakin game.
2008-07-30 15:23:06
259.   underdog
I would find it kind of hilarious to see Manny in that empty cavern of a ballpark they play in in Miami right now. Either he'll enjoy the peace and quiet or quickly miss Boston.
2008-07-30 15:23:46
260.   Alex41592
255 - it's better that Pierre sits*

Lineup is solid tonight. Pick your poison Pierre or Jones. Ethier and Kemp should be in there every day no matter what.

2008-07-30 15:26:02
261.   Kevin Lewis
I think it is funny that MLB had to put this line under Matt Kemp's hitting streak story:

"Matt Kemp's hot bat, which has produced a 16-game hitting streak, will likely have him in the lineup for tonight's game"

2008-07-30 15:26:03
262.   ibleedbloo
I am going on a trip the last week of August. I will see the Dodgers vs. Phillies, White Sox vs. Orioles, Dodgers vs. Nationals, and Red Sox vs. Yankees. If anyone has any tips of what I should or should not do on the trip, I am open to any advice. If you would like, you can email me at Ibleedbloo at hotmail dot com.
2008-07-30 15:26:15
263.   D4P
Love seeing Kent in that clean up spot. Someday his luck will change and those ProPs peripherals will translate into real production. He can't hit a line drive right at someone every game can he?

He can if other teams have figured out that he pulls almost every ball he hits.

2008-07-30 15:29:34
264.   Alex41592
Teixeira is batting third for the Angels with Vlad protecting him at cleanup.
2008-07-30 15:29:48
265.   nick
247 Juan Pierre over his career has normal platoon splits, as does Jones--people who know more than I do say small-sample platoon splits don't mean much.....
2008-07-30 15:30:46
266.   D4P
Is Torre's choice of Jones over Pierre vs. a LH based on a belief that:

1. Any given RH batter will hit a LH pitcher better than will any given LH batter;


2. Even if #1 isn't always true, we have no way of knowing when it isn't true so we should just assume that it is;


3. Jones hits LH pitchers better than Pierre hits LH pitchers

2008-07-30 15:31:06
267.   Bob Timmermann
I would think most MLB teams have an idea how to position their infielders to face Kent.

He doesn't get a Giambi-like or Ortiz-like shift.

2008-07-30 15:31:52
268.   sporky

The Dodgers and Padres continue to have conversations about veteran starter Greg Maddux, with the two sides beginning the process of exchanging names and perhaps working toward a deal.

2008-07-30 15:33:14
269.   xaphor
259 At least he wouldn't have to turn up the volume as loud anymore.
2008-07-30 15:34:00
270.   underdog
I'm just wondering what sort of weird parallel universe I fell into where D4P is critical of/wondering why Pierre is sitting. I need to sit down and drink some chamomile tea. ;-)
2008-07-30 15:34:39
271.   still bevens
266 or...

4. Jones has a stupidly huge contract that demands that he gets played a couple times of a week regardless of production

2008-07-30 15:35:18
272.   ToyCannon
We'd like Kemp - No
We'd like Ethier - No
We'd like Hu - No
We'd like DeWitt - No
We'd like DeJesus - No
We'd like McDonald - No
We'd like Lambo - No
We'd like Gallagher - No
We'd like Watt - No
We'd like Adkins - No
We'd like Lindsey - No
We'd like Tiffe - No
We'd like LaROche - Okay

Tongue is in cheek BH

2008-07-30 15:36:05
273.   GMac In The 909
Maybe Pierre is out of the lineup because he has been traded.


2008-07-30 15:36:23
274.   ToyCannon
He's consistent. The only player he likes less then Pierre is A Jones and he is no Johnny come lately, he hated Jones way back in November.
2008-07-30 15:36:33
275.   bigcpa
Ethier/Jones/Kemp... just for a day it feels like April again. A 2-HR game from Jones would crash the toaster better than any big splash deal.
2008-07-30 15:37:32
276.   D4P
D4P is critical of/wondering why Pierre is sitting

Andruw Jones has been that bad. Plus, Pierre has "mashed" lefties this year, perhaps as the result of a different approach at the plate. I don't know for sure that he's taking a different approach, but his P/PA is at an all-time high.

2008-07-30 15:38:20
277.   underdog
I hope whoever we give up for Maddux is someone I've never heard of and don't need to worry about losing. Better be someone no better than or hopefully worse than Travis Denker. Or give them a Danny Muegge or somebody...
2008-07-30 15:39:48
278.   D4P
I had just been looking into the Padres's 3B situation. It doesn't really look like they have room for Andy.
2008-07-30 15:40:23
279.   sporky
Do we have another Ross in the minors?
2008-07-30 15:40:32
280.   underdog
That's fair. Still, I'm pleased if it's a platoon of those two guys rather than Jones/Ethier. And while Pierre may indeed have a better approach this year than last, lately I haven't seen as much of it and I think overall you should still consider career numbers rather than this one season. Still, I won't deny Jones has been abysmal. But am keeping hope alive he shows some more improvement. What the heck...
2008-07-30 15:42:56
281.   Bob Timmermann
If there is a Ross in the minors, I will start my anticipatory grief.
2008-07-30 15:45:20
282.   KG16
we are moving ever closer to the mythical "ideal line up" ladies and gentlemen. Remove Kent from the clean up spot, move Ethier up towards the top of the line up, and we might just get there.
2008-07-30 15:48:49
283.   ToyCannon
A Jones was in good spirits today as word filtered to him that they had found his voodoo daddy and his curse had been lifted. He put on his Dodger Blue Cape in the clubhouse and doing his best Kirby Puckett imitation shouted to the Dodgers "grab onto my man boobs and I will lead you to the promised land"
2008-07-30 15:50:36
284.   ToyCannon
2nd base, Depo knows a Jeff Kent when he sees one.
2008-07-30 15:51:47
285.   bhsportsguy
262 1. When you go to Yankee Stadium get there early (like an hour before the park opens) and stand in line to see Monument Park at Yankee Stadium.

2. The Babe Ruth museum near Camden Yards.

3. A cheesesteak in Philly.
4. A slice a pizza in New York (Molly Knight or Bronx Banter boys could recommend a few places)
5. A Smithsonian museum (Space and Air is cool, nothing like seeing planes indoors).
6. Lincoln Memorial.

2008-07-30 15:54:59
286.   D4P
I put in a request on his blog that he not ask for Andy in return for Maddux.
2008-07-30 15:56:32
287.   trainwreck
I still can't believe they use Cheese Whiz in Philly.
2008-07-30 15:59:12
288.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Denard Span for real? I like him just for his name, but he's having a nice little season (both at AAA and in Minnesota). He was a first round pick--just a late bloomer?
2008-07-30 15:59:59
289.   Eric Stephen
I've been to the Babe Ruth museum -- a little hole in the wall entrance off of seemingly a side street or alley --, and it has some Eddie Murray stuff too! That was a nice surprise for me.
2008-07-30 16:00:29
290.   Jim Hitchcock
283 TC, that's an image I really don't want in my head...
2008-07-30 16:01:49
291.   Jacob Burch
The Dugout will officially explode if Manny and Farnsworth get traded on the same day.
2008-07-30 16:02:32
292.   Eric Stephen
I'd love to say Si, Span is legit, but I hate watching book review shows.
2008-07-30 16:03:04
293.   ToyCannon
E Jackson with the big win today. Pena warming up, Rocco might get activated next week, nice to see him making progress against his bizarre illness, and Price should be up soon. Could be a fun Sept in the East.
2008-07-30 16:03:26
294.   underdog
Hey can anyone help me figure out who the probable pitchers would be for the Dodgers in their series vs. the Giants here in SF? Friday the 8th (a week from this Friday) and Saturday the 9th in particular...
2008-07-30 16:06:54
295.   ibleedbloo
285 Thanks for the input. Ken Arneson wrote about his first and last time at Yankee Stadium over at Bronx Banter, really got me pumped for the trip.

I will only be spending 1 day in Philly, which should give me just enough time to see the game, eat a cheese steak (or 3), and lick the Liberty Bell.

I was in D.C. in 8th grade, so it will be nice to do the tourist thing there again. NYC should be fun, but everyone tells me I'll be upset I'm only staying 3 days. The only thing I really care about doing though is seeing Yankee Stadium, Statue of Liberty, Gound Zero, and maybe Letterman or Conan. If I do run out of time, it will give me an excuse to go back and check out the new stadiums in the future.

2008-07-30 16:07:53
296.   ToyCannon
My best analysis shows Jason Johnson on the 8th, Paul Byrd on the 9th, and Greg Maddux on the 10th.
2008-07-30 16:09:01
297.   bhsportsguy
294 Well Chad will pitch on Sunday. I think they are plannig to slot Penny in on Friday (assuming his rehad start on Saturday goes well) and then give Kuroda 6 days rest and have him pitch on Saturday. If they pick up Maddux, who knows.
2008-07-30 16:09:14
298.   Eric Stephen
Penny is slated to pitch his final rehab on August 4, and if all goes well should pitch the 9th.

Billingsley will pitch tonight, then the 5th (the 4th is an off day), so he's the Sunday man (the 10th).

It probably won't be Kershaw for the 8th since he'll pitch Friday the 1st.

With the off day on the 4th, the rotation will probably be:

5th - Chad
6th - Lowe (5 days rest)
7th - Kershaw (5 days rest)
8th - Kuroda (5 days rest)

2008-07-30 16:10:06
299.   bhsportsguy
296 TC is having fun in the North Valley today.
2008-07-30 16:12:06
300.   Bob Timmermann
Mark Teixeira flied out in his first at bat as an Angel.

The trade was a disaster!

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2008-07-30 16:12:20
301.   Eric Stephen
Has Penny been moved up? From Diamond 2 days ago:

"- Brad Penny will make a rehabilitation start on Wednesday for Class A Inland Empire, and if all goes well will follow that up with one for Class AAA Las Vegas on Monday. He could return by the Giants series on the next road trip"

Saturday in SF would be normal rest for him.

2008-07-30 16:13:11
302.   Bob Timmermann
Casey Kotchman is batting third for the Braves tonight. He has Greg Norton batting behind him.
2008-07-30 16:14:40
303.   Eric Stephen
I feel remiss for not wishing Mr. Billingsley a happy birthday yesterday. I hope his first start as a 24-year old is a success.
2008-07-30 16:17:08
304.   Bob Timmermann
I hope his first child is a masculine one.
2008-07-30 16:18:00
305.   underdog
296 Heh. Thanks.

Okay, thanks folks. Yeah, Penny's the wild card I guess. I'm not sure I want to see Kuroda pitch in San Francisco, the way he's been pitching lately, but it could be Penny instead. So it's just a crapshoot about those two days. I'll just get tix and pray. Kershaw would've been fun but sounds like we won't see him.

2008-07-30 16:19:58
306.   bhsportsguy
303 Greg Brock was going to buy me a Chad T-shirt the other day but was worried that we might infringing on some sort of fan eminent domain rights.

Per today's LA Times,

New plan for Penny

Brad Penny's rehabilitation assignment has been shortened from two games to one so that the Dodgers can use Monday's off day to give Penny and Hiroki Kuroda extra rest prior to their scheduled starts next week during a six-game trip.

Penny is slated to pitch for triple-A Las Vegas on Saturday in Oklahoma City before pitching for the Dodgers on five days' rest Friday in San Francisco, with Kuroda pitching on six days' rest the following day.

Manager Joe Torre said he hopes the extra rest will help Kuroda improve the command of his breaking ball, something the right-hander has struggled with over his last four starts.

2008-07-30 16:21:31
307.   Tripon
Well, Grant of McCovey Chronicles lost it. The Dodgers win and Giants loss caused him so much pain that he decided to turn the Giants blog into a 4th rate Celeb gossip site.
2008-07-30 16:22:24
308.   bhsportsguy
304 What have I done to be insulted like this? If you had come into Dodger Stadium and become my friend, then your enemies would be my enemies and that scum that beat Chad in those 9 games would be hurting right now.
2008-07-30 16:23:01
309.   Bob Timmermann
Penny is probably the only Dodger who would specifically ask to have a rehab start in Oklahoma City.

(No offense to our Oklahomans on this site.)

2008-07-30 16:24:26
310.   Bob Timmermann
Casey Kotchman grounded out with a runner on 3rd and less than two outs and didn't get the runner home.

Since he left the Angels, his magical powers of "doing the little things" has disappeared. He is no longer "a ballplayer."

2008-07-30 16:25:42
311.   Jim Hitchcock
307 Boy, I haven't visited McCovey Chronicles
since I pulled the `I Left...My Glove...In San Francisco' gag on them.
2008-07-30 16:26:01
312.   bhsportsguy
310 According to the play by play, Kotchman's ground ball moved the runner to 3B.
2008-07-30 16:27:10
313.   underdog
306 - Ah! So Penny next Friday in San Fran then? I should be careful what I wish for, because he could be bad for all I know. But I'd still rather see him then Kuroda right now. Hopefully Hiro can get back on track.
2008-07-30 16:30:08
314.   Jon Weisman
307 - It was all I could do after Monday's loss to limit myself to one Flight of the Conchords link.
2008-07-30 16:30:09
315.   therickdaddy
Yes, I had plans to see Brad tonight at the 66ers game so in case any of you don't know it, that start got scratched and he'll be going to Oklahoma on Saturday.


PS - rumor mill has us looking at Maddux. If it's not going to take much of anything I'd like to see him come back.

2008-07-30 16:33:44
316.   dzzrtRatt
309 I went to the ballpark in Oklahoma City earlier this year and saw a game against the Sacramento River Cats. It's a beautiful stadium, an obvious homage to the Orioles Park. I can't think of a better place to watch Brad Penny's rehab, and I wish I had reason to go back to OK City so I could see it.
2008-07-30 16:35:07
317.   Jon Weisman
Chad Billingsley's last two appearances against San Francisco have been perhaps the two oddest games he has pitched in his career.

2008-07-30 16:35:29
318.   trainwreck
Manny Ramirez has driven Peter Gammons insane.
2008-07-30 16:35:43
319.   Flonne
FWIW, Hu,LaRoche,and Dewitt are at SS, 2B and 3B respectively for tonight's game against the RedHawks.
2008-07-30 16:36:42
320.   trainwreck
Gammons was on Baseball Tonight completely red-faced from the start. He briefly started yelling at Steve Phillips until he realized he better compose himself.
2008-07-30 16:37:06
321.   underdog
Yikes. "'s Joe Frisaro is hearing about a three-way deal that would also send Jason Bay to the Red Sox." (from MLBTR)

Noooo, Pittsburgh, bad!

A 3 way wouldn't be surprising though.

2008-07-30 16:38:48
322.   Tripon
309 Kemp wouldn't ask for a rehab game in Oklahoma?
2008-07-30 16:39:41
323.   trainwreck
Gammons just talked about it. Red Sox get uber-prospect Mike Stanton from Marlins. Flip him with some other prospects for Bay.
2008-07-30 16:39:50
324.   FirstMohican
319 - Interesting. I would've assumed Dewitt would be moved to 2B before La Roche, but I don't really know why.
2008-07-30 16:40:22
325.   Bob Timmermann
Brad Penny gives off much more of an Oklahoma vibe than Matt Kemp.
2008-07-30 16:41:06
326.   Bob Timmermann
Doesn't everybody want to yell at Steve Phillips?
2008-07-30 16:41:39
327.   bigcpa
Manny to the Marlins has such a Piazza banish-to-Siberia feel to it. I think Boston would give Fla a discount just to stick Manny down there in front of 10,000 a nite.
2008-07-30 16:42:33
328.   Bob Timmermann
10,000 a night?

If you count tickets sold.

And the Mets are playing.

2008-07-30 16:44:02
329.   Jon Weisman
2008-07-30 17:07:43
330.   GoBears
82 I'd rather just sign Mark Ellis then trade for Roberts.

Sorry - I'm just catching up here - but huh? You want both? Or is this a "then-than" thing?

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