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Shutout Sentral
2008-07-30 21:41
by Jon Weisman

Have you ever seen a shutout end on a play at the plate? I haven't. Thanks to the Giants' Tim Flannery for sending that runner.

And many more thanks to the man on the mound.

My best prediction of 2008:

Chad Billingsley, RHP: I'm telling you, the sky's the limit for this kid. In 20 starts last season, he had a 3.38 ERA and 101 strikeouts in 112 innings. The areas targeted for improvement, control (51 walks as a starter) and endurance (5 2/3 innings per start), are well within reach for the 23-year-old – in fact, hopefully solving the first will solve the second. I truly think he'll be the ace of the staff this season.

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2008-07-30 21:51:56
1.   sporky
2008-07-30 21:52:39
2.   MonkeyBlue
Chad with a great game today. He truly our Ace.
2008-07-30 21:54:12
3.   Humma Kavula
If I had more energy, I would go over to McCovey Chronicles to see the roasting of Flannery.

But I have a baby, so instead, I'm going to bed.

Merry Chadmas to all, and to all a good night!

2008-07-30 21:55:13
4.   sporky
Hey, they're >.500!
2008-07-30 21:55:16
5.   underdog
I just caught up with the game live after watching it sort of delayed via Tivo and FF-ing through parts of it, so I'll go back and check out the previous comments now. But, yeah, wow.

Chad was dealing.

I know, the Giants' line-up leaves something to be desired, but hey they rocked Kuroda on Monday and I don't think many teams would've done much against him today.

Fun way to end it, too.

The Castillo hit in the 9th looked like it could've been a home run, but fortunately Mike Krukow only whined about it briefly (after about 100 references to last night's weird left field play).

But that was just fantastic. It's only too bad Chad can't face the Dbacks in this big series coming up.

2008-07-30 21:56:26
6.   JoeyP
Looks like a 3-team trade may be going down:

Marlins get Manny Ramirez
Red Sox get Jason Bay
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida

I dont like this deal for the Pirates. They have to get something better for Bay than just Hermida.

2008-07-30 21:56:27
7.   underdog
Yay! Happy Above .500 Day, Everyone!

{throw slightly sarcastic confetti}

But it is great to finally break that barrier. Seems ages ago they were last here. Now let's stay there, boys.

2008-07-30 21:57:14
8.   underdog
Stupid Red Sox. {mutter}

Stupid Pirates.

I agree. They should be getting Hermida and another player to make that a fair deal - especially given what they'd supposedly been demanding.

2008-07-30 21:57:35
9.   Who Is Karim Garcia
They are getting more than Hermida
2008-07-30 21:57:39
10.   LogikReader
Boy what a game tonight!! I didn't realize tonight's ending was so rare.

By the way, There's a John Mellencamp concert going on at the SB bowl a mile from me. I can hear the next song.

What's it called again? "I fought the .... something and the something... always wins"

Then he says it again.

2008-07-30 21:58:32
11.   Eric Stephen
It all depends on the prospects involved, which by most reports are still being negotiated.
2008-07-30 21:59:00
12.   underdog
This was posted by a Bronx Banterer re that possible trade (so it sounds like it would be more coming to the Pirates, so it makes more sense, depending on who the prospects are -- assuming this goes down):

>> Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (Red Sox), and cash (likely covering Ramirez's remaining salary)

Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two Marlins, one Red Sox)

Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

There is still potential for this to fall apart over the prospects, but things appear closer now than ever before. <<

2008-07-30 22:00:30
13.   underdog
10 I used to live literally 2 blocks from the SB Bowl when I was in high school, and we would sometimes be kept up late listening to the concerts. Though sometimes they were good concerts, at least. And sometimes I would just give in and go to them. Saw REM there, for one.


One more time for good measure... Yay Chad!

2008-07-30 22:01:13
14.   LogikReader
If the Ramirez trade goes down, Florida is going to be scary good.

And they're going to have two Ramirezes! Do they get to keep the same last name or add an initial like "A. Ramirez" and "M. Ramirez". Which is the best solution.

2008-07-30 22:01:39
15.   Dodgers49
From previous thread:

368 Think Jones gets another start?

I'm expecting Pierre back tomorrow with Jones back again Friday against Randy Johnson.

2008-07-30 22:02:15
16.   larry slimfast
i wonder if espn isn't hyping the deal because nobody gets to scoop gammons on the bosox.
2008-07-30 22:02:22
17.   LogikReader
10 , 13

Remember, this is the guy with the 10,000:1 odds to win an oscar!

2008-07-30 22:03:19
18.   Fallout
The only reason I can see in sending the runner home was in hope that they could stop the Dodgers from shutting them out. A kinda Giants-Dodgers thing from the Giants perspective.
2008-07-30 22:05:17
19.   Xeifrank
Dodgers/Diamondbacks, last 7 results.
vr, Xei
2008-07-30 22:07:21
20.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers have 8 team shutouts in the last 30 games.

Since Brad Penny's last start, June 14 in Detroit, here are the numbers for the Dodgers starters:

39 starts
5.89 IP/start
18-10 (team is 23-16)
3.21 ERA

2008-07-30 22:07:47
21.   Tripon
If Jones does start against Randy Johnson, I hope Johnson throws that crazy softball pitch he threw against Freedy Lewis last week. Just to screw with Jones, and hopefully start a brawl.
2008-07-30 22:08:22
22.   Icaros
I can't wait for Bison's age 25-27 seasons.
2008-07-30 22:08:44
23.   dontraiseplz
Have to think the Giants wanted to spite us there. It's a lost season for them anyway.

You send the runner if you want to optimize your chance to breakup the shutout, hold him for the best chance towin.

2008-07-30 22:09:15
24.   The Dude Abides

Brett Favre practiced this morning at his local high school.

2008-07-30 22:09:29
25.   Longhorn Bill
Great game for Chad (understatement)

Wow, if Manny ends u a Marlin, that team is going to have an incredible lineup, power wise.

2008-07-30 22:10:00
26.   Tripon
23 Why I can't understand is why they're playing so many 35+ guys. Isn't the point of rebuilding to actually rebuild using young players?
2008-07-30 22:10:28
27.   Bumsrap
Did I miss someone starting a rumor about Pierre not starting tonight because he was involved in a trade?
2008-07-30 22:11:35
28.   Bumsrap
23 - Hold him and Billingsley comes out.
2008-07-30 22:13:17
29.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I miss Cody Ross.
2008-07-30 22:13:29
30.   Bumsrap
26 - And that is where Colletti honed his skills as a GM.
2008-07-30 22:14:32
31.   Icaros

I missed him before you did.

2008-07-30 22:14:40
32.   MC Safety
Just throwing this out there.

CC, Chad, and Clayton.

The Killer C's.

That is wicked scary.

2008-07-30 22:15:17
33.   Eric Enders
I actually like that deal quite a bit for all three teams. The one that might end up regretting it is Florida, but if they make the playoffs with Manny, they probably won't be complaining.
2008-07-30 22:15:48
34.   Eric Stephen
Jon, my favorite Chad prediction of yours is also from February: (post 118)

Chad Billingsley will go 17-9 with an ERA of 2.88. There, I said it. And we'll fall in love with him like a girl in a flowing white gown bounding across a springtime meadow

Current: 11-9, 3.05 ERA.

2008-07-30 22:15:57
35.   Gagne55
12 I really don't understand the shifting of prospects. I think it's pretty clear that Ramierez > Bay > Hermida and it's not close. So why are the Marlins picking up a prospect in the deal when they are losing by far the least talented outfielder of the three?
2008-07-30 22:16:19
36.   underdog
26 I know a lot of Giants fans who are wondering that. The only thing I'll say in defense of Bochy is that some of the young guys they have on the roster right now, don't look all that impressive to me. They have Schierholtz in the minors (or I guess soon in the Olympics) who really should be on the ML roster. I have no idea why, with their roster, he's in the minors and Dave Roberts is getting starts. But again, they can at least partially blame Sabean for roster construction. Still, it would be more interesting for their fans at least to get a look at young players throughout the lineup instead of one they know is generally going to stink.

Fine by me, though.

2008-07-30 22:16:34
37.   regfairfield
If the trade goes down, the Marlins might end up with a historically bad defense. Hermida was the one guy they had that was even average, and then you replace him with Manny.
2008-07-30 22:17:25
38.   Brent Knapp
According to my limited knowledge of free agency rules I think Billingsley has three years before he can file for free agency after this year. I think he's someone we should definitely try to sign long term. I'll pull numbers out of my posterior:

2009 - 5 mil
2010 - 6 mil
2011 - 8 mil
2012 - 9 mil
2013 - 10 mil (option)
2014 - 11 mil (option)

4 year, $28 million guaranteed, is this a reasonable deal for either side? How about Russell Martin, would a similar contract be reasonable?

I personally don't think Loney and Ethier need to be locked up until we see more power, but maybe a contract with Kemp will make him happy enough to allow trash cans near his locker.

2008-07-30 22:17:38
39.   Icaros

Isn't it because he's a two month rental? Ramirez said he doesn't want the options picked up if he's traded, I've read.

2008-07-30 22:18:09
40.   underdog
I wonder what kind of personal influence ManRam the Elder will have on HanRam the Younger, though?
2008-07-30 22:18:32
41.   Wilbert Robinson
34 I've never read a more dead on prediction in my life.
2008-07-30 22:19:29
42.   Eric Enders
26 Underdog's got it nailed. The Giants don't have any prospects worth playing. The few legit position players they do have are all in Class A or lower.
2008-07-30 22:19:45
43.   John Hale
Just printed out my nine tickets for Kershaw vs Big Unit on Friday. Lucky draw to get that matchup.

Can anyone suggest something to do with two boys between landing at Burbank airport in the afternoon and Dodger Stadium Gates opening?

Late lunch relatively close to the airport or the stadium? The park around the area? Griffith park?

2008-07-30 22:19:54
44.   Tripon
Kelly Shoppach had such a huge night, looks like he's going to block Carlos Santana!
2008-07-30 22:21:39
45.   larry slimfast
did you guys see manny's sign?
2008-07-30 22:22:25
46.   Tripon
43 Do Dim Sum in Alhambra, or Monterey Park if you want really good Chinese. Alhambra might be the best place to get Chinese in the region.
2008-07-30 22:23:26
47.   overkill94
35 Because the amount of time each is under team control goes Hermida > Bay > Ramirez

I'm praying for Grabow to be part of the deal so that there's on less guy for my man Tyler Yates to compete with for saves when Pittsburgh actually wins.

2008-07-30 22:23:32
48.   Eric Stephen
Chad is under team control for 4 more years (arbitration from 2010-2012). The contract would probably be more like so:

signing bonus - $1m
2009 - $500k
2010 - $4m
2011 - $7m
2012 - $10m
2013 - $13m option ($1.5m buyout)

Total - 4 years, $24m (potential for 5/35.5)

2008-07-30 22:24:03
49.   MC Safety
46 Here comes Marty and Xeifrank for Chinese Thoughts!
2008-07-30 22:24:25
50.   Jon Weisman
34 - Ooh, thanks for finding that.
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2008-07-30 22:25:48
51.   Jon Weisman
49 - If there's good eats involved, don't forget BHsportsguy.
2008-07-30 22:26:11
52.   underdog
44 - Yeah, wow -- 5 extra base hits, 2 HRs and 3 doubles, ties a record. Not too shabby.
2008-07-30 22:26:47
53.   Tripon
The funniest part is that the Marlins players didn't take the Manny talk seriously, with Uggla asking Hermida if he was joining the Red Sox, and Hermida could only laugh at that. Now he's going to the Pirates!
2008-07-30 22:28:26
54.   ToyCannon
Over the next 4 years Hermida is going to be better then Manny or Bay at 1/20th the cost. I fail to see how the Pirates didn't do great in this deal.

Interesting how the Marlins sucked in 07 with Miggy, did nothing to change their team position players in 2008 and yet if they add Manny are scary good. Adding Josh Johnson to the rotation will probably have more of an effect then replacing Hermida with Manny.

2008-07-30 22:28:44
55.   KingKopitar
Chad is really awesome, but isn't his WHIP a little high? I don't know, just curious.
2008-07-30 22:29:04
56.   underdog
42 Heck, maybe they should bring up Angel Villalona! At least give their fans a taste of the future and something exciting to look at, even if he's clearly not ML ready. And is like 12 years old. But then so is Lincecum, and he's done all right.

But yeah the cupboard's pretty bare when it comes to ML ready young guys. Only Schierholtz seems to have much to offer. (Lewis can hit pretty well, but should be a DH somewhere.) Velez's main point of praise seems to be that he can run very fast. Etc.

2008-07-30 22:29:09
57.   Brent Knapp
43 Mario's Italian Deli in Glendale for sandwiches or other delicatessen items. If you have time to go a little out of the way there's lot's of good places in pasadena.
2008-07-30 22:29:20
58.   trainwreck
Has the deal be finalized?
2008-07-30 22:29:57
59.   Eric L
42 The Giants are one of the teams that playing young players isn't going to really benefit them. Like you said, the young guys stink for the most part. From a PR standpoint, you can play the crappy young kid or you can play the crappy vet. At least the fans know who the crappy vet is. At the end of the day, a bad player is still playing no matter what.
2008-07-30 22:31:09
60.   CanuckDodger
So, anybody have any predictions on what we will give up to get Maddux? All I know is it will be way too much.
2008-07-30 22:32:03
61.   ToyCannon
Eric Stephen and I collaborated on this piece several weeks ago that I'm feeling very good about at the moment.
2008-07-30 22:32:27
62.   John Hale
What is the latest you can get dim sum?
I have been to Atlantic Star I think in Monterey Park. Still there? Still good I would guess?
Thats an idea that would please wife as well as kids
2008-07-30 22:33:45
63.   Eric Stephen
His WHIP is a little high (1.303 entering tonight) but it's 22nd in the NL so not too bad.

Since the end of April (18 starts, including tonight) Chad's WHIP is much lower, at 1.161. He's also 11-5 with a 2.44 ERA during that span.

2008-07-30 22:34:41
64.   ToyCannon
Besides Marty and myself, how many DT posters grew up on Mario's?
2008-07-30 22:35:26
65.   Brent Knapp
43 If the boys like to stuff themselves with food there's a great mexican place in pasadena with an all-you-can-eat taco bar. They bring all the bowls of all the fixings to the table and refill them constantly. Chicken, asada, beans, rice, everything but seafood.
2008-07-30 22:35:32
66.   Tripon
62 I think around 3 or 4. To be honest, its hard to find a bad place in Monterey Park because of the competition. Ocean Star is also a good choice, and NBC are also good choices.
2008-07-30 22:36:54
67.   Louis in SF
The KNBR host in SF has Ramirez going to the Dodgers! I can not see that happening, but if the Dodgers could flip Jones and pay a portion of his salary. You could make an argument that it would be an interesting rental. If the Red Sox took most of Jones salary next year-this year's salaries are almost the same, the Dodgers would not have outfield issues next year and they would have a big bat in the middle of the lineup.
Kent and Manny would be a stich in the dugout, but this is why you pay Torre the big bucks!
2008-07-30 22:37:04
68.   ToyCannon
If Denker was still here I think he'd been a good match for the Padres. Of the current prospects maybe someone like Pedroza.
2008-07-30 22:38:54
69.   Brent Knapp
65 Mario's: Glendale :: The Appetizer: Palos Verdes

Is that the correct format for an analogy?

2008-07-30 22:39:37
70.   ToyCannon
Bowa - Manny - Kent

No way Jose

2008-07-30 22:40:30
71.   Tripon
The Dodgers are playing hardball with the Padres over Maddux. Its getting to the point where it sounds like Ned's just screwing with the Padres because he can. Odd to see Ned on such a position of power over another team. Usually its the other way around.

The conversations between the Dodgers and Padres about future Hall of Famer Greg Maddux have hit a roadblock, and it's unclear whether the two sides will continue talks on Thursday. The Dodgers have mild interest in Maddux, who essentially has boxed in San Diego with his insistence that he can be dealt only to a West Coast team; the rival Dodgers are the only team on the coast with a need for a starter. The two sides are far apart in agreeing what compensation is appropriate for the pitcher.

If Maddux is not dealt before the deadline, the Dodgers could try to place a waiver claim on the pitcher in August, and once again, the Padres would be left with little leverage.

2008-07-30 22:40:49
72.   still bevens
54 Yeah what I dont get is that Manny is an upgrade but not a huge upgrade for the Marlins. If anything they need starting pitching.
2008-07-30 22:41:01
73.   unlazy4sports
66 Ocean Star is my favorite.. but get ready for a wait if you decide to go there.
2008-07-30 22:41:09
74.   John Hale
Ocean Star is what I was thinking of.
As much as I miss dodger dogs I would rather feed the famiily on dumplings ahead of time
thanks to for the input
Can't wait to see the Bison et al in person for the first time
2008-07-30 22:41:29
75.   dontraiseplz

Low WHIP is only part of the equation for a low (theoretical) ERA, I think its mitigated by Chad's ability to depress XBH. I'd like to know where his .350 SLG against ranks in the NL.

2008-07-30 22:43:00
76.   silverwidow
I love Mario's.

Salami, easy mix -- FANTASTIC.

2008-07-30 22:43:57
77.   Dodgers49
I'd love to see Juan Pierre steal 100 bases for a fourth team (starting tomorrow):

Pierre joins rare class of base thieves

>> By taking second in the bottom of the seventh without a throw from Giants catcher Bengie Molina, the Dodgers outfielder became the fourth player in Major League Baseball history to steal at least 100 bases with three different teams. <<

2008-07-30 22:44:39
78.   Xeifrank
46. I was actually going to suggest a couple of hours at the IKEA in Burbank. :)
vr, Xei
2008-07-30 22:45:15
79.   KingKopitar
Okay, cool. Just making sure this is real. So who's better then: Chad or Hamels?
2008-07-30 22:45:49
80.   underdog
Hah! The FSN Final Score host-ess just called Matt Kemp "The BISON!" in highlights from the game (when he scored on Martin's second RBI). Nice.
2008-07-30 22:47:03
81.   Eric Stephen
Chad's .346 SLG against was 7th in the NL entering tonight. It's down to .337 after the game which would be 5th (behind Dempster, Webb, Volquez, & Haren).
2008-07-30 22:47:25
82.   Icaros
I think this is a cool Reebok NFL commercial with a hauntingly beautiful song.

2008-07-30 22:47:27
83.   schoffle
If you are in LA for a Dodger game Philippe's would be the tradition choice hands down.

Saturday morning is the perfect time to get brunch (i.e. Dim Sum)

2008-07-30 22:47:32
84.   underdog
Man, I don't know if I will be able to sleep tonight.

The trade deadline is like the anti-Christmas Eve. Don't want to wake up to find coal in our Dodger blue stockings.

2008-07-30 22:48:58
85.   ToyCannon
Nice, Victor Garate just had a 10 K game in his 2nd start in high A.
2008-07-30 22:49:35
86.   Eric Stephen
I'm partial to Chad of course, but I have to concede Hamels is probably better right now (he is a whole 7 months older though). But the difference is negligible.
2008-07-30 22:49:50
87.   Icaros

Awesome. It's like the nickname is our baby.

2008-07-30 22:53:56
88.   Jacob Burch
82 Most of Vashti Bunyan's work is equally beautiful, and much of it haunting. She got a nu-folk 'indie' boost a few years ago, which I was happy to see for me.

Now, to work on Evie Sands and Phil Ochs (at least in today's day and age on the latter)

2008-07-30 22:54:09
89.   trainwreck
Yeah I really like that one.

Also like the "List of Demands" one.

2008-07-30 22:56:52
90.   silverwidow
Some caller on Dodger Talk said the "sabermetric nerds" don't see Pierre's value and defends him by saying "200 hits."
2008-07-30 22:57:04
91.   Eric Stephen
This is the reason Russell Martin chose to have his day off Tuesday instead of Wednesday:

2008-07-30 22:57:25
92.   Brent Knapp
48 If this is Billingsley's third ML year, how come he has four left before he can become a free agent?
2008-07-30 22:59:01
93.   silverwidow
92 Because his rookie year (2006) did not meet the 172 day threshold to qualify as a full season.
2008-07-30 23:00:30
94.   sporky
Dylan Hernandez: Kuroda might be shifted to the bullpen for a while.
2008-07-30 23:00:55
95.   Tripon
90 When was the last time Pierre got 200 hits? Certainly not this year.
2008-07-30 23:01:03
96.   Brent Knapp
93 OIC, ty.
2008-07-30 23:02:51
97.   Eric Stephen
Service time. You need 6 full years to become a free agent. In 2006, Chad had only 110 days of service time since he was called up in June.

Players are arbitration eligible after 3 full seasons, but can also qualify with 2+ years service time (a 4th year of arb) if they are in the top 17% in service time among 2-3 year players. (Super Twos)

Martin (2 yrs, 150 days after this year) & Ethier (2 yes, 153 days) are in the second boat.

In general, players need to have at least 2 years and 127 or more days service time to qualify as Super Twos.

2008-07-30 23:02:58
98.   Tripon
94 Wow, Maddux rumors might actually have some juice.
2008-07-30 23:05:47
99.   JRSarno
Mario's Glendale; Eastside Deli near Dodg Stadium, two of the best Italian sandwiches around. Domingo's is great in Encino too, but out of the way...
2008-07-30 23:07:06
100.   Eric Enders
I wonder how Baseball-Reference determines when a nickname is prevalent enough to be added to the site? "Bison" probably has had enough MSM use to qualify by now.
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2008-07-30 23:10:40
101.   Linkmeister
88 Phil Ochs? You mean for commercial use, or just to revive his music in general?

I kinda think of Ochs like Joni Mitchell; it's hard to imagine either's music sold for advertising.

2008-07-30 23:16:46
102.   Tripon
Thus, as we met with Joe Torre for the daily chat, James Loney was doing some defensive work with Don Mattingly. The goal was to break the youngster's tendency of catching the ball further back instead of moving up to meet it. "He'll give himself a hop instead of getting it in the air," explained Torre. "It's just basically a bad habit, because there are very few bad hops in the air." We were informed today that the error was shifted to Loney ("As a result of his conversation," laughed Torre), but the respect the Dodger manager has for the kid's game is very evident.

2008-07-30 23:17:57
103.   Eric Enders
I could totally see Joni Mitchell's music being used in commercials. Phil Ochs would be hard to fathom, though. Although, despite being thought of mostly as a lyricist, he does have some (musically) hauntingly beautiful songs.

I think Ochs was born at the same hospital I was.

2008-07-30 23:40:38
104.   Linkmeister
103 Oh, I could imagine Mitchell's music for commercial ads, but I have a hard time imagining her agreeing to it. She's always been a really stubborn artist with strong opinions about her work and its place.

If somebody put Ochs into commercials his music might be brought back to public attention; I suspect not too many people in their 20s-30s know it at all.

2008-07-30 23:50:11
105.   underdog
102 That's cool. I'd actually been noticing something different with the way Loney's been catching balls to him at 1st the last couple of games but couldn't put my finger on it... Interesting.
2008-07-30 23:50:55
106.   Eric Enders
The first entity to use an Ochs song in a commercial will probably be the Mississippi tourism board.
2008-07-30 23:57:10
107.   underdog
Two interesting tidbits from the SF Chron's story (for tomorrow) on tonight's game. Er, one interesting, the other just... mental.

{On the last play of the game:}
>>Third-base coach Tim Flannery waved Castillo around and blamed himself, confessing he thought too much about averting another shutout and not enough about winning.

"You play the game by the score," Flannery said. "Tonight, after 14 years, I became a fan instead of a third-base coach for one minute. It was flat-out ... stupid.">Then again, the Dodgers need a shortstop and the Giants have one available in Omar Vizquel, a notion that might have been discussed.<<

2008-07-30 23:58:14
108.   underdog
Sorry, the second part got squished by accident. Should read:

and then this from the story's author Henry Schulman, on seeing Sabean and Colletti chat before the game. It's just ludicrous.

Then again, the Dodgers need a shortstop and the Giants have one available in Omar Vizquel, a notion that might have been discussed.

2008-07-31 00:00:40
109.   Eric Enders
You know, I was just telling my dad last night that I can't believe the Dodgers haven't gone after Vizquel. He's a shortstop, he's old, he's famous, he's crappy, he's a Giant. He has every quality Ned has ever looked for in a player.
2008-07-31 00:03:53
110.   trainwreck
Well, at least he wouldn't be annoying with me his defense on the Giants anymore.
2008-07-31 00:06:13
111.   Eric Enders
Is the Times' website broken for everyone or just me? (You click on any article and it just opens a blank page.)
2008-07-31 00:08:21
112.   Linkmeister
111 Works ok for me.
2008-07-31 00:09:16
113.   Alex41592
Khalil Greene punched a storage chest during tonight's game and may have fractured his hand. He will not play tomorrow. His awful season may have had an awful conclusion.
2008-07-31 00:09:28
114.   underdog
I know, it would almost make sense, in that senseless way. Obviously, since we have a slick-fielding SS in Vegas who can also likely outhit Vizquel, but he's younger, why not?

Still, I think it's just the writer talking to himself and has no basis in reality.

Btw, don't know if this was posted earlier but didn't see it -- Andy LaRoche went 3 for 4 for Vegas tonight in OKC, including a double. Started a double play, too. DeWitt played 2nd and had a hit and a run, as did Hu.

2008-07-31 00:10:44
115.   underdog
Jeez, and Eric Cyr (!) got the save. Jeez.
2008-07-31 00:11:47
116.   Tripon
I don't think even Ned can talk himself into that sub .200 BA that Omar Vizquel has. I'd take Arron Rowand though for Andruw Jones. Seems a bit silly that the Giants signed Rowand for a lost year.
2008-07-31 00:11:53
117.   sporky
113 So that makes two boneheaded NL West shortstops who injured themselves. Stephen Drew might be next.
2008-07-31 00:11:55
118.   Eric Enders
111 Thanks. Now it's letting me read the FYI but not the gamer.
2008-07-31 00:12:37
119.   Alex41592
From the San Diego Union Tribune:

Pitcher Greg Maddux Thursday night packed a glove for Dodger Stadium in anticipation that the Padres – who are eager to shed more than $3 million of his salary – might trade him to Los Angeles Thursday.

"I'm bringing this glove," Maddux said while pulling a black glove onto his left hand. "Do the Dodgers wear blue spikes?"

After the game, which decided the series for Arizona, Maddux received hugs from a few teammates in the event that trade talks result in him being sent to the Dodgers.

Maddux called it a win-win, whether the Padres trade him or not.

"I like it here," he said. "I like Dodger Stadium. I really do."

A Dodgers source said the Dodgers "really want" Maddux and will try to get a deal done. The Padres are motivated to shed the remaining part of his $10 million salary.

Maddux will be at Universal Studios Thursday and noted that it's a short trip from there to Dodger Stadium, where the Dodgers will play Thursday night.

2008-07-31 00:13:44
120.   sporky
111 That happened to me, too, but only when I tried to access a few of Simers' columns. Hmm.
2008-07-31 00:14:53
121.   Eric Enders
114 So who has the better infield right now, the Dodgers or the 51s? It's actually a pretty close call.
2008-07-31 00:15:32
122.   sporky
DeWitt turned a couple of DPs, too.
2008-07-31 00:15:35
123.   underdog
If the Dodgers trade a middling prospect (maybe some second tier Jacksonville pitcher) and don't have to eat all of the 3.3 mil, then I think it's a fair and useful acquisition. He'll still be an overpaid coach, basically who hopefully can still pitch halfway decent. But I'd be fine having him back. Hopefully we won't trade Lucas May for him or something.
2008-07-31 00:16:22
124.   underdog
122 - yes he did indeed!

121 - Close call, maybe even since they have Mitch Jones at 1st and LA has Loney. :-)

2008-07-31 00:17:56
125.   Tripon
121 I actually like Casey Blake's fielding. There were reports that he was a statue, but so far he's pretty superb.
2008-07-31 00:19:30
126.   Eric Enders
123 Exactly. It's not about Maddux, it's about who you give up. The Padres are probably viewing it strictly as a salary dump anyway. Ned should stick to his guns and offer nothing more than a C prospect. Ned has all the leverage since the Dodgers are the only team Maddux will accept a trade to.

The cynical part of me fears that leverage is a concept Ned doesn't grasp, however. He'll give in.

2008-07-31 00:22:31
127.   Eric Enders
124 See, I was cheating a little bit and counting Lindsey as the first baseman, which helps LV somewhat.
2008-07-31 00:29:06
128.   Greg Brock
Chad Billingsley is the man.

But you knew that.

2008-07-31 00:31:47
129.   Jon Weisman
Anyone want to vet this?

2008-07-31 00:33:24
130.   CanuckDodger
I will be disappointed if the Dodgers, for Maddux, give up ANY prospect I envision being on my Top 30 list at the end of the season. WE DON'T NEED HIM. I would rather have Eric Stults back in the rotation. If he had been itching half his games in Petco this year, Stults would have a much better ERA than Maddux, and as a Dodger he does have a much better ERA than Maddux anyway.
2008-07-31 00:33:31
131.   Jacob Burch
101 The latter, revival meaning. I only got into him because Amoeba played one of his live tracks and I researched it later on a whim ("Love Me I'm a Liberal"), and have since devoted a lot of time.

Funny that it seems to take a commercial (Nick Drake, Vashti, others I'm probably forgetting) to get some of these people out there. There are worse ways, I suppose.

2008-07-31 00:34:11
132.   larry slimfast
Maddux and Greene for Stultz and some medium grade prospect might be satisfying... Greene is not having a good year but he would be an upgrade for sure and insurance for what... one more year? He's a good bet to at least be league average for fairly cheap. He plays better in the 2nd half... when he's not hurt.
2008-07-31 00:38:19
133.   Linkmeister
131 Nick Drake! That's who I was trying to think of (as someone else whose music got noticed after his death)!

I dunno if Ochs' music could get a foothold, though. It's message material, and outside of Neil Young and the Dixie Chicks, who's selling that?

2008-07-31 00:42:13
134.   overkill94
132 Looks like someone didn't read 113
2008-07-31 00:45:19
135.   LAT
130. What he said. Especially the itching part ;-) We don't need Maddux.

132. Not what he said. I don't want Greene for lots of reasons--not the least of which is he looks too much like a Weaver brother.

2008-07-31 00:46:58
136.   LAT
And add 113 to the list.
2008-07-31 00:50:17
137.   Jacob Burch
133 I'm going to try and push for "The World Began in Eden and Ended in Los Angeles" any chance I get until it catches on, darnit. If one song mostly satirical about LA can be played at the end of a Dodger Win, I can get at least part of the city to embrace one that is completely satirical.
2008-07-31 01:10:12
138.   Jacob Burch
My favorite Vashti track via a user-made youtube video

2008-07-31 01:40:55
139.   Suffering Bruin
It is now T-minus twelve hours to the trade deadline.

I'm awake. A sense of dread keeps me awake. I don't think anything is going to happen but I cringe when I think about what might happen. Why, lord, why does this team have such an affect on me? Or is it effect? I can't remember...

I'm going to walk around the room, listen to music and pretend that my favorite announcer on the planet will have nothing to talk about tomorrow except the battle between the top two teams in the NL West. Here's hoping...

2008-07-31 01:46:48
140.   Eric Enders
From Bill Bender of The Sporting News:

"Los Angeles pitcher Chad Billingsley's up-and-down season continues. Billingsley dominated for the second straight in a complete-game shutout against the Giants."


2008-07-31 03:08:01
141.   natepurcell

I'm drunk but I even know thats ridiculuosly retarded.


2008-07-31 03:26:23
142.   nofatmike
141 I'm freeze-framing your comment for blackmail purposes before it's Rule 11'ed, I hope you don't mind.
2008-07-31 03:30:14
143.   Benjamin Miracord
140 Maybe he's implying that Billingsley gets up in the morning and lies down at night, and he (Billingsley) has been doing this all season. If so, that's startlingly insightful analysis.

Or maybe Bill's been on a bender.

Within every riddle lies its own answer, and within every problem lies its own solution.

2008-07-31 03:49:51
144.   Benjamin Miracord
In Mexico City, do injured baseball players have Tomás Juan surgery?
2008-07-31 04:28:04
145.   D4P
Some caller on Dodger Talk said the "sabermetric nerds" don't see Pierre's value

It's true: we don't.

(Hey Mom - Bring me down another breakfast burrito!)

2008-07-31 04:28:19
146.   Marty
Most of the best dim sum places are order-off-the-menu style now. So, if you want the traditional cart experience you may suffer a lack in quality, but not too much. My dim sum recs:

Sea Harbor in Rosemead, on Rosemead just north of the 10 freeway (an old Farrell's).
Elite in Monterrey Park on Atlantic.
Mission 261 in San Gabriel on Mission.
Yum Cha Cafe on Broadway in Chinatown. Only place for dim sum in Chinatown in my opinion.

888 Seafood on Valley in Rosemead
New Capital Seafood on Valley in San Gabriel

Now if you want, IMO, the best dumplings and steamed buns in the region, go to Noodle House on Garvey in Monterrey Park. They make them fresh to order. Get the shrimp and pumpkin dumplings and the double-mushroom buns. They also make a killer beef tendon noodle soup.

I also second the sandwich recommendations of Marios, Phillipes and East Side Deli.

2008-07-31 04:52:38
147.   Ken Noe
From the Times: The idea that Hiroki Kuroda could be moved to the bullpen wasn't completely dismissed by Torre. Kuroda is 0-2 with a 13.11 ERA since the All-Star break. "If we have to fix something, we'll fix it," Torre said.
2008-07-31 05:00:02
148.   herchyzer
10 . If you're all talking about the Santa Barbara County Bowl I saw Bob Marley there in, like, 1978.
2008-07-31 05:11:35
149.   herchyzer
103 . "Woke up it was a Denny's morning, and the first thing that I saw..."
2008-07-31 05:30:43
150.   Uncle Miltie
The Dodgers apparently are willing to send Matt Kemp to Boston but they also appear to be on the sidelines now.
Barring a Championship, McCourt needs to fire Ned after the season is over. I'll be praying that the Dodgers don't make any more trades between now and tomorrow at 1 PM.
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2008-07-31 05:35:57
151.   D4P
I guess we're supposed to believe that Ned wants to trade Kemp, but someone else in the organization doesn't let him.
2008-07-31 06:06:48
152.   Ken Noe
Junior Griffey to the White Sox.
2008-07-31 06:17:55
153.   old dodger fan
Kuroda has had 6 starts this year in which he gave up 5 or more runs. His last 3 starts are half of them.
Last 3 starts: 11 2/3 IP; 18 runs.

Maddux would be insurance against a Kuroda crash or a Bad Penny.

How about Mario Alvarez for Maddux? Saves them cash and Alvarez might develop. They have nothing to lose but some payroll. Alvarez is already on our 40 man roster so we don't need to drop anyone.

2008-07-31 06:20:54
154.   D4P
Maddux would be insurance against a Kuroda crash

Except that Maddux (away from Petco) is worse than a crashed Kuroda.

2008-07-31 06:26:00
155.   D4P
"Hopefully, he's not fighting anymore and going after a guy in the stands," is the Yao comment that got Artest freestyling. "I understand what Yao said, but I'm still ghetto," said Artest. "That's not going to change. I'm never going to change my culture. Yao has played with a lot of black players, but I don't think he's ever played with a black player that really represents his culture as much as I represent my culture. Once Yao Ming gets to know me, he'll understand what I'm about."
2008-07-31 06:56:45
156.   sublime1
43 I would suggest the original Tommy Burger on Beverly and Rampart
2008-07-31 07:10:38
157.   underdog
152 Yeah, didn't see that one coming! Where's he gonna play?


I still don't quite buy that the Dodgers were willing to trade Matt Kemp for Manny as much as the Sox were asking about him. We don't know what's what with that rumor, but from everything I've heard the Dodgers haven't exactly been shopping Kemp around as much as he's the guy other teams tirelessly (or tiresomely) keep asking about. Whatever, we're almost there people, almost through the other side! Just hold tight.

Sounds like the Maddux talks may have stalled, too.

2008-07-31 07:14:07
158.   MC Safety
The Phil Ochs song "Tape From California" is awesome.
2008-07-31 07:15:41
159.   underdog
Favre Watch! Just keeps getting more and more surreal.

>>"He would love to go back in Green Bay," Cook said, in comments broadcast by ESPNEWS. "I mean, that's why he started working out. But right now, it looks like he'll be the quarterback at Oak Grove High School." Favre worked out with the school's football team on Wednesday before the meeting.<<

2008-07-31 07:18:59
160.   Ken Noe
157 It's a big jump supposedly going from offering Jones to offering Kemp. Throw in Torre's praise of Bison, and I think such a trade was unlikely. If we do anything today, I suspect it will be trading spare parts for Maddux, although Lowe-for Cabrera is still doable (so a DS ice-cream-in-hats vendor tells me).
2008-07-31 07:25:14
161.   Bob Timmermann
I thought they only served frozen yogurt in the hats.
2008-07-31 07:28:51
162.   Izzy
Be interesting to see what Kemps walk rate is since Mattingly got back. If he can actually improve in that area too, the sky is the limit for him. I love when Ethier guns. For some reason, people still run on Andre though, so allow me to just take an official moment now and say "Thank you Mr. Flannery."
2008-07-31 07:29:23
163.   delias man
Wow, not even a trivia question in LAT print edition now.
2008-07-31 07:36:59
164.   Ken Noe
161 You think he was a plant?
2008-07-31 07:39:48
165.   underdog
I'm just excited that the Will Ohman Saga will soon be over. Where will he land? We'll know soon.

We'll be right back.

2008-07-31 07:48:40
166.   regfairfield
I think we're still in the Bill Mueller phase of Mattingly's tenure.
2008-07-31 07:48:51
167.   Suffering Bruin
I was up until 2am. I was awake at 6:30am.

All I could think about was the Dodgers and who they might trade. Yes, I would like the trade deadline to pass so I can stop typing "I" and go out and do something--I hear we have a beach nearby?

Seriously, 1pm can't come soon enough. I think we should have a countdown or something and if nothing happens, we ceremoniously toss our Dodger caps to the sky.

2008-07-31 07:53:28
168.   cargill06
Did I miss something? Was Castillo worth 4 runs?
2008-07-31 08:00:24
169.   old dodger fan
SAN DIEGO - Today's 1 p.m. nonwaiver trade deadline is likely to come and go without any movement from the Diamondbacks.

"We are probably not going to make any deals," general manager Josh Byrnes said Wednesday night.

2008-07-31 08:00:57
170.   underdog
168 Huh?

If you mean last night's play at the plate, no, but they would've had two runners on (with two outs), and they might have had to remove Bills then. Giants likely still would've lost but it made it easier on the Dodgers.

2008-07-31 08:03:37
171.   Jon Weisman

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