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Brandon Webb, you think you're so tough. And you are.
Diamondbacks at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.
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Jeff Kent and Andre Ethier are out tonight with minor ailments, reports Tony Jackson of the Daily News.
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Comments today:
Shutout Sentral: 63
State of the Pitching: 710
The Big One: Manny Ramirez Coming: 723
Total: 1,496 and counting ...
(paraphrasing): "Manny, my mother-in-law is a traveling secretary. You can push her any time."
What have they done to Logan White? Somebody slipped him the Kool-aid.
But I guess Nomar could pinch hit and maybe the others can too.
I'm not necessarily reading the comment as a summary judgment on LaRoche's future.
9/18/06: 1065 comments
http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/2008/07/dodgers-notes-3.html
"Ramirez's two $20 million options are now out the window in exchange for him agreeing to the trade. If the Dodgers offer him arbitration and he doesn't accept and leaves the team, they would receive two premium draft picks."
And he probably would not be very receptive to it.
I'd probably feel like vomiting, too, if someone with Hall of Fame credentials were coming in to take my job.
Molly, can you use your ESPN powers to let someone know?
http://tinyurl.com/6qylhj
And if Andy is someday lucky enough to get traded away by the Pirates, that dream may still come true.
I kid.
No one on ESPN can say Andre Ethier.
Ethier? I was talking about Kemp and Loney.
To be fair, at least the projected lineup shown on ESPNews had a Dodger OF of Manny, Kemp, and Ethier.
Well, except for Baltimore, and Ramirez is still too good for them to want him.
My guess would be Yankees, Mets, or Tigers.
Probably one of the AL teams, who can DH him as his defense turns from awful to criminal.
Previously this was a DirecTV perk.
Well today they have been listing all our outfielders and the people on ESPNews kept saying his name wrong.
ESPN knows nothing about this team.
A late first rounder, and a supplementary pick. (Around 20-30).
Anyone with Arizona's current record or better would do. The Dodgers, if the season ended today, would have #15, the last protected pick.
I think Manny is a Met waiting to happen.
It's probably incentive-compatible, in that he WANTS to try the market, and even if he stinks for 2 months, he probably should do so, but I don't see how he can promise in a binding way to decline arbitration.
I might be wrong - someone please explain if I am.
Wait... that doesn't work. Never mind.
We shall call him: Samson
That is the outside-the-box kind of thinking we need!
I'm not a fan of his Red Sox era nickname.
As for the Manny trade, I like it with the usual caveat that we play the right outfield. If the biggest loser of this trade ends up being Andre Ethier, we got hosed. This also better not lead to re-signing Casey Blake to play third next year.
Declining arbitration doesn't give up any rights for Manny. He's still able to negotiate as a FA with every club, including the Dodgers.
It's not uncommon for such a clause to be written into the contract. J.D. Drew had the opposite clause in his Dodger contract: that the Dodgers could not offer him arbitration.
I wanna talk to Samson!!
It works on so many levels. Two, in fact.
When we first acquired him we were told it was "Eh-thee-ay".
It was like they thought his name was either or some sort of variation of that.
By whom, Charlie Steiner?
A Dodgers/Red Sox World Series would be the most hyped championship since, well, the Lakers v. Celtics last month. I'm not holding my breath, but if it does happen Bristol Connecticut will explode and cease to exist.
Kevin Kennedy looked pissed off when he heard that. Now he has the shifty eyes on Steve Lyons.
"The number five hitter in tonight's lineup will be either Ethier or Orr, either or."
So the next question is: DID Ramirez sign away the right to accept, or was it just a verbal assurance that he'd decline?
Steiner is the one I remember.
Awesome, the guy that thinks home runs are rally killers is the smartest analyst on the set.
C'mon, this is our Molly were talking about here. I expect Pulitzer quality work*.
*tied with Jon Weisman
But that also assumes that Pittsburgh would have preferred Ethier to LaRoche. I don't see why that would be true.
SS, OF, 2b, and 3b all need to be filled somehow.
Awesome!
It's about time, ESPN. If anyone on Around the Horn mentions Billingsley's greatness, it'll be because of this trade.
Just a small, quick hit for the next issue about how statistically he's been as good as guys like Felix, Volquez and Lincecum, who are all his age. Just trying to give credit where credit is due.
I suppose you have a good point though...
Now that Manny's there I've got to find a way to make it work, as Tim Gunn would say.
Lets be clear. Juan Pierre is having a crummy year, even by his standards. His sole positive (apart from the default: speed) is that he's playing better than Andruw Jones, which puts him in the select company of virtually every other major leaguer.
I have to believe that we've seen the last of Andruw as a regular starter, and using the acquisition of Manny as an excuse to reinsert Pierre in center (where the organization has already concluded his defense is lacking), well, I just have to believe its not going down like that.
...Of course this means that the Yanks pick up Manny for $4 year/100 million, and C.C. for 7 years/150 million.
Did you get to see the Sith Lord, Al Davis? Hopefully he didn't treat you like Hunter S. Thompson.
Yea, but its his contract year and Beltre is gunna go gangbusters again.
Something like
C Martin
1b Loney
2b Dewitt
ss Furcal (one year to re-up his value)
3b Beltre
LF ManRam
CF Jones
LF Kemp
Ethier+McDonald for Beltre.
Pierre is again, world's most expensive 4th outfielder.
(Hooray! They just said Ethier's name right on ESPN).
tks
Ray
Either Orr Orr.
And thank God I'm not at Packers camp. Those players must be in an awesome mood.
We can't call people without wings angels so call them friends.
Well one can only hope.
I wish Juan Pierre was as good as either Chris Young.
I have a cute backstory about that, but I will only tell people about it at the picnic.
Either way, I love this trade provided we at least offer him arbitration.
Like batting CY second. And having Mark Reynolds bunt.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200807260.shtml
Russ will drive you in soon enough.
Don't you just love Vin?
D'oh.
Withrow?
It was in 2002.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MON/MON200208150.shtml
I'm sure many remember that game.
From 1954 to the present, there were 12 shutouts that ended with a tagout at home.
Unsubscribe.
Billy Joel says "That hasn't happened for the longest time."
Did you just unsubscribe from yourself, or to trainwreck for pointing out your egregious error?
Much like the endlessness of space, I can't wrap my mind around that.
You could've blamed it on Neal Pollack, if you weren't an idiot.
Becker.
I think that was the only time I'd ever been exposed to that show. My review is - groggy with a touch of hangover.
That means Manny is indirectly yet another benefit the Dodgers have received from the Kevin Brown contract. Woo hoo!
Speaking of which, a commenter on Tony Jackson's blog said Manny will wear #28, Guerrero's old number.
And for that matter, what did JD Drew say to Manny Ramirez about going to LA?
Pedro Guerrero played with Candy Maldonado for the 1982 Los Angeles Dodgers
Candy Maldonado played with Manny Ramirez for the 1993 Cleveland Indians
Excellent!
Ned Colletti had really done a lot to destroy the value of the word bargain.
Jack & Co. know all the information before us.
To paraphrase Johnny Carson, "I did not know that."
Thanks.
How is that an M? Was it in French?
The whole image was an M. The E and B were parts of the M.
Some Canadian friends of mine had a good laugh about that.
Reported - as in, not passing along rumors?
So you took a look at his books today? Or did you use one of your army of forensic accountants?
There is an alternative to the idea that McCourt is broke. It could be that he wants to make more money. He wants to get equity partners for the team. People like to invest in things that make money.
took the words right out of my mought TP.
in all honesty though, I really hope that isn't true...
How can it be scoreless when Kemp's run makes it 2-0 this inning?
Meanwhile, Pierre actually gets an hit, and Vin and McCourt totally ignore it.
I am a liar.
....after we read the final chapters of this incarnation of The Dugout? :(
Btw, Steiner just said McCourt will be joining the radio crew next inning.
The flip side of that is Loney thinks he's Matt Kemp! Look out for a bomb instead of a triple here.
The Brewers' logo being not only a glove but also the letters M B - now that's clever
Two words...
Brian
Johnson
180 Making money off a professional team? Isn't the usual modus operandi to use it as loss leader, and for tax breaks? Even the Yankees last year lost money. While McCourt may not be broke, he's not the richest guy in the Ol' Boys Club.
I would assume the Dodgers get to keep all the parking and concessions sold at the park during the WBC.
Loney will be the difference maker, mark it down.
The Yankees would only have shown a loss because the accountants made it so.
I would be very surprised if the Dodgers did not turn a very healthy profit. However, it's not enough of a profit to satisfy the McCourts.
What would the McCourt being trying to attract by operating the Dodgers at a loss?
From a realistic standpoint, there's a 0% chance the Yankees lost money last year.
They may have from an accounting standpoint, in that they funneled the profits through the YES Network, which they also own.
I'll blame that on a typo though.
Blake and Reynolds, two ships in the night tonight... lovely.
(Two Dodger-centric Dugouts in the last 12 hours or so, wow you guys are already getting attention from all the right people!)
Yep, that must be it.
Eric and I beat another person into submission.
A job well done.
We're available for birthdays and bat mitzvahs.
At the DT picnic, we should have a pinata with Cody Ross's picture on it.
I'm getting very very excited.
Martin hit a rope to RF.
No, he just stopped running when the ball bounced into the stands.
I did love watching the Giants games this week on TV for a chance (usually I'm on MLBTV) and being able to pause it to take a break and then FF through ads and Mike Krukow whining about the Fred Lewis bobble call for the 100th time.
What is that, 29 straight scoreless innings?
Yep. 29 straight.
The Dodgers had 25 straight scoreless innings in June, and also 32 of 33 scoreless innings (1 run against the Angels).
The Dodgers themselves went 24 innings without scoring earlier in June.
[Kareem stuffs towel into my mouth]
Molly, August 16. Elysian Park 11:30am.
That was a perfect hit and run by the Bison!
There's your run, Derek!
If so, I have to get permission from my mom. She would need to know that are chaperones.
Two broken bats per inning, that's the Dodgers new goal for every game. Actually most teams are probably approaching that these days.
Oh, well that was lucky, HUGE break rihgt there!!!! Not really good baserunning by Kemp, but it worked!
Bluebleeder,
I like the trade if the outfield is Manny-Kemp-Ethier. In fact, that excites me.
If Jones or Pierre starts on anything remotely approaching a regular basis, then I think it isn't worth it. I don't think any team where Juan Pierre plays everyday and leads off is worth mortgaging the future for, which is why I've been so resistant to other deals like Casey Blake.
And yes, I have heard of the 2003 Marlins, but Pierre isn't anywhere near the player he was then, and even then he was just good enough.
Defensively you can't have Pierre and Rameriz out there. Offensively, you can't have Jones.
I suppose the FDA wouldn't like that.
268 Good enough for a ring! A ring in a b... Oh, never mind.
What, you mean a 1-0 lead isn't safe?
Liar.
Webb left with a 4-1 lead last game against LA. This one is a piece of cake.
That is a great call very much like the Tonight Show stuff
If Webb is pinch-hit for here, I like our chances.
It was pretty funny though.
I think the plan was to have Lowe pitch through the 7th. It's not like he was pulled after 1 batter. He gave up 3 hits, including 2 doubles.
What would you charge for that?
I don't think that was hit hard enough to turn two even if fielded cleanly.
I don't think we have anyone to PH tonight anyway.
:-(
But the point is now moot
But honestly, Lowe was so on, his pitch count was still okay, and didn't look tired at all before that last inning, and then the wheels came off. I can understand why they left him in.
Anyway, yeah, if Ethier and Kent are not available to PH the bench is pretty weak tonight.
"The problem is that LaRoche hasn't been able to master hitting at the Major League level. He got the opportunity to play almost every day through the end of June and July and was unable to produce, hitting .203 in 59 at-bats"
Manny will make any batting order better, unless its crippled to begin with.
Poor editing, no doubt.
I'm almost numb to the "hasn't been able to produce" line, but for a reporter to say he played almost every day is just false.
In 30 games from June 20 to the Casey Blake acquisition, LaRoche started 13 (less than half!) and had 61 PA. That's not close to every day.
2 Million a year to stay retired?
Could this thing get any weirder?
To be fair, I've never seen Withrow and "Avery" Morris in the same room at the same time, so you've got that going for you.
AVG: .244 OBP: .346 OPS: .991
5 HRs as Vin just noted.
Expect some K's, too.
oh joy.
It's kind of sad that I'm most optimistic about the second hitter in the inning, and that's only if it's Kuo.
If Favre was on the roster, they'd owe him $12m anyway, so they are just spreading it out over time.
But of course they could just trade him.
I should have used my guideline of "If you have to think of a way to phrase something so it doesn't sound offensive, you should just not bother saying it at all."
Wait, who plays 2nd now? Is Kent able?
(sees Sweeney come up, closes eyes, cries)
Nevermmind...
Orange? Lemon?
Avocado!
Ethier is at .467/.556/.667 against Webb in 18 PA.
371 - Uh, yeah, if he wasn't on the DL you mean...
Slappy McSac.
Let go Kemp!
He's like Stephen Drew to Lowe.
Rick Caruso gave me my Grove back.
I triple dog dare you.
Damn.
Damn.
Damn.
great play you gotta hand it to them.
Did he actually tag him? I thought he missed at first but I guess not.
Oh well, we get that play last night, and are burned by it tonight.
Nice call by Bowa, I would have done the same thing, especially with Webb pitching.
Outside the box. Loving it.
Ardoin in to catch and Golden God in at third.
Loney
That's all the batters needed in the 9th.
Which one was Zoot? Was he in the band with Animal and the cool sax player guy?
I'm really surprised that Arizona pitched to Kemp, I'd have walked him and set up the double play with Martin.
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Zoot
To quote the D-Backs broadcast (which I'm not watching): "ROAR!!!!"
Once again, I'm a liar.
the swing looked like he was looking for something else.
Well, at least it's clearly your fault now if you know what happens.
Mr. Jones, Destiny on line 3.
Oy.
By his standards.
This offense is terrible.
Oh well.
469 Yeah terrible offense vs. arguably one of the top 3 pitchers in baseball. A little on the dramatic side, but yeah, I think it could use a little Manny to be sure. (Or a lot of Manny.)
We shall have a bovine specticle tomorrow night. Minatour, ManRam, and Bison.
I'm excited for Manny tommorow. Lets hope we can at least take two of the next three.
Does that mean Manny or Pierre plays right field? Or one of them in center? Seriously?
The Dodgers are 26th in runs scored out of 30 teams in the majors.
More likely, this deal means Pierre will be a fixture on the bench, with Druw seeing more time in CF.
VS Lefties:
Manny, Druw, Kemp
Vs Righties:
Manny, Ethier, Kemp
Pierre may get time for Kemp if its a "tough righty" I suspect.
If it weren't for my vigilance, Matt Kemp's nickname would be Buffy.
The Nationals have decided to release both Felipe Lopez and Paul Lo Duca and replace them with Emilio Bonifacio and Elijah Dukes.
Neither veteran could bring back a prospect before the deadline, so the Nats will cut ties now. They'll likely make Ronnie Belliard their primary first baseman, with Bonifacio taking over at second. Dukes should get most of the playing time in left, with Willie Harris moving around the outfield. Bonifacio and Dukes should both be worth using in NL-only leagues.
Can we please pickup Felipe Lopez? He's not the greatest defender around, but he could at least be servicable offensively at SS. Lopez has shown in the past that he can take a walk and has a bit of power. This is the type of gamble that I'd like to see the Dodgers take. I'd much rather have Lopez at SS than Berroa.
http://tinyurl.com/6pwvn5
I would take Lopez over Berroa.
Funny, I really wanted Corey Dillon to be a Raider. Looks like he would have fit in well.
Please continue to put Pierre atop your lineup.
Sincerely,
The Diamondbacks
RF Ethier
C Martin
LF Manny
1b Loney
3b Blake
2b Kent
SS Nomar
That's actually a pretty sick lineup.
http://tinyurl.com/5wvkld
>>Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen pulled his team off the field at the Metrodome in the seventh inning Thursday night after fans threw hats and baseballs onto the field following the ejection of Minnesota Twins manager Ron Gardenhire.<<
511 And the reason I picked on Pierre is because he had a "decent" game tonight. It feels like tonight's effort was a test that earned him more playing time once Manny arrives. Results: Pierre passed with flying colors, and Jones has to spend more time with his tutor Donnie Baseball.
From: Jon Weisman
Sent: Thu 7/31/2008 8:15 PM
To: Leung, Diamond
Subject: Not at all
"- Logan White spoke with Andy LaRoche and Bryan Morris, and he said
LaRoche was excited to go to Pittsburgh. Asked if White was sad to see
LaRoche go, he said, "Not at all.""
Meaning, "Not at all - business is business" or "Not at all - that guy
won't be missed"?
On Jul 31, 2008, at 9:04 PM, Leung, Diamond wrote:
Not at all in terms of "Look who we got back."
Diamond
Even if it's only for two months??
tinyurl.com/Tommy-PleaseNOOOOO
What a weird line-up they had then too.
517 - "Look who we got back" is exactly right. Heck of a game and atmosphere we'll have tomorrow night.
Logan probably thinks DeWitt can hit enough to stay at third.
Or some Invasion of the Body Snatchers stuff.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke1-2008aug01,0,4821970.column
I'd rather put Blake at 2b.
A lot of holes to be filled this offseason.
I would seriously consider that if they can move Pierre without paying anything.
Me too. I hope we do not re-sign Blake.
Our spies confirmed it is 28.
It depends. He is a flexible player, but I don't know if he would accept a utility role.
Right- same thing he said about the whole Jacksonville 5.
Plaschke 8-2-07
Not even Ned Colletti can lose with this move
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