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Broxton Deserves Faith
2008-08-12 15:22
by Jon Weisman

At True Blue L.A., Andrew Grant does us all a favor and shatters some myths about Jonathan Broxton's lack of closer mentality. Grant acknowledges that Broxton hasn't been perfect but puts it all in perspective. (Note that the June 7, 2007 game that is mentioned represents one of the Dodgers' worst defensive ninth innings in recent times, which is saying something.)

The most disturbing part about the accusations that have been flung at Broxton has been the lack of recognition that for most of his career, Broxton has been facing down situations more difficult than protecting a ninth-inning lead. Those appearances where he keeps the other team from scoring in a tie game, for example, don't grab headlines, but they are most meaningful.

My theory about people who conclude that Broxton doesn't have the toughness to be a closer is that they don't mentally record the many times he does succeed, that the memory of failure is simply overpowering.

Now, as ToyCannon brought up in the comments Monday, there might be issues with Broxton's arm strength or health to fret over. That, we'll have to keep an eye on. But Broxton is plenty good to be trusted when the chips are down.

* * *

Nomar Garciaparra will return from the disabled list tonight and start at shortstop (still waiting to hear who will go off the active roster). The Dodgers react to Cole Hamels starting by making James Loney the best No. 8 hitter in the game for one night and letting Juan Pierre get some outfield work in. Juan, you just catch all the balls and then shovel them to Manny for the throws.

Comments (97)
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2008-08-12 15:36:06
1.   Tripon
Wouldn't he be better served to shovel to Kemp? Kemp must have a better arm than Manny.
2008-08-12 15:37:58
2.   Jon Weisman
1 - Since he'll have caught the ball in left field, he won't be able to get the ball all the way to Kemp.
2008-08-12 15:40:35
3.   Dave60
We score eight runs last night with our leadoff hitter getting on-base four times, plus stealing a base, and our response is to install a different leadoff hitter? Arghhh. Put Pierre eighth (or ninth), push everyone else up a spot, and I'm good. (I know, I'm preaching to the choir.)
2008-08-12 15:41:11
4.   dzzrtRatt
From the games I've seen recently where Broxton closed, I think he's got precisely the closer mentality. He gets in trouble (or his defense gets him in trouble.) But then, he fights his way out of it. He "reaches back for something extra," to use the operative cliche.

I think Dodger fans expect a closer to have a nasty curve and a change. Gagne and Saito had them, so I guess all closers have to have them. Broxton is a different kind of closer, kind of a throwback to the power closers of the 80s and 90s. Whatever works.

I think we're also used to near-perfection among our closers, although some of that perception resides in distorted memories. Saito blew saves, Trevor Hoffman blows saves, Mariano Rivera blows saves. It happens. These pitchers don't have 0.00 ERAs. Broxton will blow more saves before the year is out. But he's an above-average closer.

2008-08-12 15:42:50
5.   MC Safety
Last thread: 261 Are you duckin all of the younger DT'ers? Those guys are all a bunch of geezers! : )
2008-08-12 15:44:06
6.   overkill94
I'm okay with Pierre starting against lefties although it should be obvious to everyone that it should be as the #8 hitter instead of lead-off. My line-up for tonight would have been


Martin would normally be in the 2 spot but his recent struggles keep him in the lower half for now.

2008-08-12 15:44:12
7.   Zak
3 That's the thing I don't get. I see that Torre agrees that Pierre is our 4th best Outfielder. I can live with giving him starts here and there. But, why leadoff? If he is not good enough to start, why give him extra ABs? Why not bat him 9th?
2008-08-12 15:45:23
8.   ToyCannon
I don't like the way Joe Torre is sticking it to Juan Pierre by making him play CF.
2008-08-12 15:46:08
9.   regfairfield
I think my best whiffle ball comparable is Andruw Jones.
2008-08-12 15:46:37
10.   jujibee
I wonder what Manny will do when JP catches the last out and lollipops th e ball toward him so Manny can run the ball in. I still don't get that at all. If it was superstition or something of that nature, maybe he should change his ways, and maybe he might just fare a little bit better. Put Ethier in instead of JP and that's one heck of a lineup, only lacking a little defensive prowess up the middle. (Infield)
2008-08-12 15:47:06
11.   MC Safety
JP leading off against Cole Hamels is stupid on so many levels.
2008-08-12 15:47:28
12.   Ken Noe
Just benching JP is a big step for Torre. Moving him to eight when he does play is asking for more mental agility than he may be capable of right now.
2008-08-12 15:49:00
13.   Gagne55
For whatever reason it seems like the defense falls apart for Broxton when he closes. First their was the Nomar game in San Diego, then the Kemp dropped flyball against the Mets. And there was last weekend in San Francisco. I can't recall the fielding ever letting Saito (or Gagne) down, though he did give up the occasional Helton longball.
2008-08-12 15:49:15
14.   jujibee
He did go 1 for 1 last night with, from what Torre could tell as a result of his start tonight, great approach.
2008-08-12 15:49:21
15.   MC Safety
9 Mine would be Jack Cust, without the walks.
2008-08-12 15:49:54
16.   scareduck
Broxton is not bad, but he isn't even the second best reliever on the team as measured by BPro's WXRL relief statistic (expected wins added vs. replacement level pitcher):

Kuo 2.29
Saito 1.996
Broxton 1.346

In fairness, it should be mentioned that Broxton has been used in higher leverage situations than Kuo, but not Saito. Broxton doesn't even make the top 25 in the league by that metric, and isn't in the top 30 in MLB. Broxton can be dominant, but has had some stretches where he just falls apart, and judging by his performance versus his peers, it seems fairer to say he's on the cusp of excellence. His ERA+ has declined from 160 in 2007 to 121 2008, perhaps fueled in part by a slight uptick in WHIP. It's no illusion to say he's having more trouble this year than last.

2008-08-12 15:50:07
17.   NoHoDodger
I knew that Andruw Jones was having a bad year. I just didn't know how bad it was in context. I apologize if this was brought up in an earlier post but Gregg Doyel of cbssportsline remarks that:

For every ugly number he is putting up, there is an uglier number behind it. His season average is .161, but in so-called clutch situations -- defined as late in a close game -- he is hitting .147. When the score is tied, he's down to .095.

Runners in scoring position? He's hitting .086. He's also slugging .086, which means every one of those hits has been a single. And the more clutch the situation, the worse Jones becomes. With two outs and runners in scoring position, he's hitting .077.

WOW. This is really bad.

For more, here is the link.

2008-08-12 15:52:22
18.   jujibee
13. I was a t the game on Saturday sitting 11 rows behind the 1st base dugout. The whole coaching staff was telling MAnny to move over to his left for about 3 straight pitches. That is exactly where the ball was hit, but MannRam didn't see the coaching staff telling him to move there. This was probably discussed at length here that night, but I have no clue why Torre didn't keep Jones in at center move Kemp to right and Ethier to left. He had the opportunity to do so after their at bats that inning. Anyway, I hope the majority of those games are out of the system now.
2008-08-12 15:53:06
19.   underdog
4 Is very well said. I agree totally.

It's Beimel Bobblehead Night - the Dodgers have to win for the Beimelnator.

2008-08-12 15:53:27
20.   MC Safety
14 He also got thrown out trying to steal 2nd.
2008-08-12 15:54:05
21.   Gagne55
I wonder what movie title will be parodied with Kershaw's name in the game thread title tonight.
2008-08-12 15:54:27
22.   jujibee
20. I think we both know that in Torre's eyes it was a bad call.
2008-08-12 15:54:30
23.   Megaballs
Just wanna log in my complaint of Torre regarding Kershaw.

Its insane that this 20 year old is slated for 170 innings.

If we make the playoffs, they'll be tempted to keep him in the rotation.

He needs to be slotted into the Kuo role for the rest of the year to minimize his innings IMO. We could use more solid pen arms with Saito out anyway.

We could find a fifth starter in any number of ways including Maddux, Park, McDonald et al.

Arm trouble this or next year, there will be l-term damage for LAD.

2008-08-12 15:54:35
24.   cargill06
19 Speaking of, if anyone is going to the game tonight and would like to sell me a bobblehead please shoot me an E-Mail at
2008-08-12 15:55:14
25.   regfairfield
16 His peripherals are still totally fine, the problem is he has a .381 BABIP in high leverage situations this year, which kills his WXRL.
2008-08-12 15:55:47
26.   underdog
16 Wouldn't it also be fair to say that Kuo and Saito have generally been pretty amazing, so it's hard to be as good as they? I guess it does also depend on what metrics you're using/looking at. He seems to have had more bad luck, too, though Kuo ran into his own bad luck on Sunday.
2008-08-12 15:56:35
27.   Gagne55
19 Or maybe Beimel will pick up the win himself.
2008-08-12 15:58:24
28.   UVaDodger
22 To be fair, that was really good defense, and a perfect throw. If Utley wasn't blocking the bag Pierre would have been safe. I can't stand Pierre, but he really is quite a base-stealer. If only there was some job where he only had to run, and didn't have to hit or play defense. If only....
2008-08-12 15:58:53
29.   Eric Stephen
I have no doubts about Bluebleeder's ability to strike me out.
2008-08-12 16:02:23
30.   Jon Weisman
16 - My agenda has only been to address the myth that springs up that Broxton doesn't have the mental toughness to be a closer. All the other issues, from his value relative to other Dodger pitchers to whether this season has not been his best, are another matter.

It's no secret that Kuo 2008 or Broxton 2007 has been better than Broxton 2008. I'd just like people to realize that those are some very high standards.

2008-08-12 16:03:53
31.   Deuce
If we're going to carry two gloves to come in late for Kent/Nomar, shouldn't Hu be one of them? Re Broxton: considering his age, ability, and track record-how many relievers in baseball would you rather have? If he learns an effective changeup, wow!
2008-08-12 16:06:36
32.   scareduck
4 - that would be last year. Mariano Rivera has no blown saves to date this year.
2008-08-12 16:07:36
33.   Megaballs
Cut the cord with Berroa, bring up Hu, DL A Jones, start Nomar...its all so obvious.

What's to lose with cutting Berroa?

2008-08-12 16:09:47
34.   emiller
Count me as one who still has longterm faith in Broxton. I just find it somewhat amazing lefthanded batters have an obp of .424 off of him this season, according to the splits on Baseball Reference.
2008-08-12 16:10:44
35.   ToyCannon
Just a subjective view, but Broxton does seem very unlucky, not only in the way the defense plays behind but the lucky hits that seem to happen.

So while I may have confident in Broxton's ability to pitch well, I don't have a lot of confidence that he is going to get a save when we are up by only one run.

Time should prove me wrong, but I won't be turning off any games secure in the knowledge that the jello is jiggling.

2008-08-12 16:13:22
36.   ToyCannon
Not as many chances for the 3rd place Yankee's. God I love writing the "3rd place Yankees" almost as much as I love writing "first place Rays".
2008-08-12 16:14:22
37.   ToyCannon
BlueBleeder should have to pitch left handed to us, or we should get to use a tennis racket.
2008-08-12 16:17:16
38.   Megaballs
We're lucky to have a guy with Brox's stuff closing for us. How many perfect closers are out there? He's virtually unhittable and young. He has great upside.

Who's complaining? Be realistic.

2008-08-12 16:17:56
39.   Xeifrank
is it safe to assume that Broxton will be unavailable tonight?
vr, Xei
2008-08-12 16:18:46
40.   Bumsrap
Whoever it is that decides what kind of pitch to throw has not helped Broxton this year.

Broxton overpowers many hitters but even weak hitters can slap to the opposite field and cause trouble if too many pitches are thrown hard and away and up just a little.

Trying to jam a hitter at the hands too often winds up getting the pitcher behind in the count and it seems like Broxton has been doing this (too much).

2008-08-12 16:21:48
41.   Tripon
23 If we make the playoffs, Kershaw's in the pen. We only need 3 starters for the first round, 4 starters in the NLCS and World Series. Lowe, Penny, and Bills all have seniority over Kershaw, and Kuroda is earning $12 million this year to be the 4th/5th starter.

I would actually advocate picking up Maddux for this sole reason, to limit Kershaw's innings, and to make sure in the post season that he's in the starting rotation, and not Kershaw. Then again Maddux might push Bills out of the first round rotation due to his own high innings count... never mind!

2008-08-12 16:22:22
42.   Bumsrap
Tonight the Dodgers will have 6 right side hitters in a row and 3 left side hitters in a row.
2008-08-12 16:22:57
43.   Eric Enders
Almost every time Broxton gets in trouble, it's because he's overusing his slider. However, Torre has been quoted as saying that they're trying to get him to use the slider more. So perhaps Broxton's struggles this season, such as they are, are due to poor or ill-advised coaching advice, similar to what we saw under Mike Easler when Kemp was doing nothing but hitting singles to the opposite field.
2008-08-12 16:23:32
44.   Tripon
33 Ned would cry because Berroa reminds him of his favorite actor, Wesley Snipes. Obviously Berroa plays because it honers Snipes, and its Ned's own silent protest against Wesley Snipes' conviction on tax evasion.
2008-08-12 16:23:54
45.   Eric Enders
41 A team that makes its postseason playing time decisions based on who's making the most money is a team that doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs in the first place.
2008-08-12 16:24:04
46.   Bumsrap
If Broxton lacks confidence in his breaking pitches and therefore doesn't throw them often enough, is that the same as lacking mental toughness?
2008-08-12 16:24:55
47.   Xeifrank
Will "Troy in West Virgina" be in attendance at tonight's bobblehead game? Or does his probation not allow him to attend any MLB games?
vr, Xei
2008-08-12 16:26:12
48.   Jon Weisman
23 - I think there's about zero chance of Kershaw starting a game in October.
2008-08-12 16:28:18
49.   Bumsrap
43- Interesting. Just by observing and not actually keeping track, I was of the opinion that Broxton was throwing too many fastballs. If he is throwing too many sliders, perhaps he needs to slow a few down.
2008-08-12 16:29:12
50.   Tripon
45 I was basing it on playoff experience, and seniority but to each his own. Kershaw should be coming out of the pen in the playoffs if only because of his high innings count. Bills should be starting game one of each series, and pitch twice if need be, but I figure that Lowe would get first shot.

Its a tossup between Penny and Bills for the 2nd game because while Penny's coming back from an injury, this is the same person who won two games from Torre's Yankees in 2003. While Torre won't make a decision based solely on that basis, it could be one of the many thoughts in the back of his head.

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2008-08-12 16:29:55
51.   regfairfield
Broxton throws his fastball 74% of the time this year versus 69% last year.
2008-08-12 16:31:12
52.   Eric Enders
Maybe the slider isn't being overused; maybe it just isn't good enough. But he's gotten killed on the sliders this year. He threw couple of terrible ones last night and just got lucky that they didn't get hit out of the park.
2008-08-12 16:31:44
53.   Bumsrap
48 - About zero becomes a little larger if Penny, Lowe, Kuroda finish ugly.
2008-08-12 16:33:16
54.   Tripon
53 We'd see Maddux in a Dodgers uni before we'd see Kershaw starting a playoff game this year.
2008-08-12 16:34:19
55.   thinkblue88
David Ortiz just hit his second three-run home the first inning!
2008-08-12 16:34:22
56.   Bumsrap
51 - And it seems like he throws those fastballs away to lefties. If he is going to be a 74% fastballer, I would think he needs to come in more to lefties. Again, mental toughness could be the reason he doesn't.
2008-08-12 16:34:46
57.   ImprobableImpossible
Fernando Tatis scoffs
2008-08-12 16:36:24
58.   Eric Enders
50 I mostly agree with that.

I do however disagree with Jon's 48 . Is a scenario where Kershaw posts a 2.50 ERA from here on out, and becomes clearly our third-best starter, so implausible as to have zero chance of happening?

Kuroda could keep on struggling. Brad Penny has an 86 mph fastball now -- that speaks volumes about his chances of starting any postseason game. I think Kershaw has as good a shot as either of them to be the third, or especially fourth starter in a playoff series.

Is it likely? Not really. But the chances are much greater than zero.

2008-08-12 16:37:13
59.   Bumsrap
54 - The more it looks like the Dodgers need Maddux the higher the cost is going to be to get him. The longer in the season Maddux is still with the Pads, the less motivated they are to trade him.
2008-08-12 16:37:39
60.   thinkblue88

Youklis was responsible for the first and third out. Both of them strikeouts.

2008-08-12 16:38:35
61.   D4P
JD Drew is batting leadoff for Boston. I love it.
2008-08-12 16:39:37
62.   Bumsrap
61 - Big deal, we have Pierre.
2008-08-12 16:40:34
63.   Eric Enders
A commenter at BTF today noted that 49 out of Baseball Prospectus' Top 50 Prospects from 2004 have now made the major leagues.

The only one who hasn't? Greg Miller.

2008-08-12 16:41:08
64.   Bumsrap
I should have said: Pierre is batting leadoff for the Dodgers. I dislike it.
2008-08-12 16:42:47
65.   D4P
The trick is to say what you should have said.
2008-08-12 16:43:17
66.   kirk gibson
or better yet, Jon, put Pierre in right field and he can toss the ball to the ballgirl to throw to the infield.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Pierre wouldn't make the starting 10 on my rec league softball team.

2008-08-12 16:43:52
67.   GoBears
32. I was at the Angels/Yankees game on Sunday, melting away near the RF Foul Pole. Girardi brought Rivera in with 2 on and 1 out in the bottom of the 9th, and I had just finished praising Girardi for using his best pitcher in a high-leverage situation (with the game on the line) when Figgins singled in the winning run.

But at least it wasn't a blown save.

2008-08-12 16:46:22
68.   Deuce
45 A major reason the Dodgers aren't in first place.
2008-08-12 16:47:28
69.   gpellamjr
66 You must have an awesome softball team.

Still, I have a very difficult time believing that.

2008-08-12 16:48:19
70.   Tripon
Juan Pierre can do many things. Like get $45 million dollars from a major league team.
2008-08-12 16:48:54
71.   Eric Enders
I understand that it was hyperbole, but Pierre would kick major butt on any rec league softball team.
2008-08-12 16:50:15
72.   Tripon
"He's another guy with great qualities as a human being, like Nomar [Garciaparra]," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told the Associated Press.

That's er. That's just great Ned.

2008-08-12 16:52:22
73.   UVaDodger
71 Can the Dodgers trade Juan Pierre to a rec league softball team for a couple of PTBNL? Everyone wins!
2008-08-12 16:53:45
74.   D4P
Pierre would kick major butt on any rec league softball team

I don't know. Aren't bunting and stealing bases usually illegal in rec league softball...?

2008-08-12 16:54:55
75.   regfairfield
A friend of mine just hits grounders down the third base line all day and no one can throw him out. Pierre could easily do the same thing.
2008-08-12 16:58:08
76.   scareduck
36 - Mo had 34 saves and 3 blown last year; he's up to 30 so far this year. He may have some blown saves before the year's out, but if anything it would appear he's on pace to get more save opportunities this year rather than last, and perhaps because his team isn't scoring as many runs.
2008-08-12 16:58:28
77.   Jon Weisman
58 - Kershaw may already be the team's second-best starter. I just can't see the Dodgers reversing field on their mission to protect him. I say that knowing that they reverse field all the time. I just don't see it happening here. He has already been protected to an extent that I've never seen before with the Dodgers. Has there ever been another young pitcher in Dodger history for whom innings limits were even discussed?

If Kuroda and Penny both struggle (as in your scenario) and no replacements are found, the Dodgers won't make the playoffs.

2008-08-12 16:58:54
78.   underdog
67 Girardi's having some problems making out a coherent line-up these days, himself; just ask the Bronx Banter folk...
2008-08-12 16:59:20
79.   scareduck
67 - our season tickets are up in the thin air but under the upper deck roof. I have thought about getting seats further down, but my pale white European skin says, "no".
2008-08-12 16:59:44
80.   KG16
I totally missed Pierre at the top of the line up the first time I looked. My first thought was, "wow, that's a helluva line up." Then I saw Pierre and thought, "still, not too bad, really."

As for Kershaw getting a post season start, I would think there's a chance, though I'd put it at about 10% right now. First, the Dodgers have to make the playoffs, then Torre has to decide that Kershaw is better than other choices not named Lowe and Billingsly.

2008-08-12 17:02:47
81.   KG16
74 - if he could unload on a line drive, he'd be on third before anyone got to the ball. I've seen a lot of guys like him in rec league softball.
2008-08-12 17:03:53
82.   Zak
77 I'm going to agree with Eric and say that there is a better than zero percent chance. I'm not saying it's 20%, but it is significant enough to not be zero.

As far as Penny and Kuroda struggling, Penny has been a disaster his last nine starts before the most recent one. And Kuroda has had streches where he has struggled. It would be hard to make the playoffs if they both struggle, but to say they won't is giving AZ too much credit IMO.

And lastly, great idea on posting the lineup up on top of the post. It's so blindingly simple I can't believe I never thought of requesting for it. But it's unbelievably useful and takes out at least 5-6 posts everyday about who's in the lineup.

2008-08-12 17:05:28
83.   Eric Enders
77 I see where you're coming from. But if the Dodgers make the playoffs -- and it's a big if, of course -- the Kershaw precautions will be conveniently ignored. I feel very safe in saying this. They didn't trade for Manny Ramirez and Casey Blake in order to punt away the playoffs because of some silly pre-set innings limit. They want to win the whole thing if at all possible.

If they make it to the postseason, they're going to go for the gold, and Kershaw will be part of that.

Colletti and Torre haven't shown a willingness to stick with any plan for more than about five minutes, and I don't see that changing where Kershaw is concerned.

2008-08-12 17:06:21
84.   Zak
Really guys, I'm hoping the comment in 66 was a hyperbole or a joke. I'm no Pierre fan, but it's embarrassing comparing him to rec softball league guys. There is nobody in the majors or in AAA that would not rake in almost any rec softball league.
2008-08-12 17:07:57
85.   Daniel Zappala
4 Mariano Rivera blows saves

Only against the Angels.

2008-08-12 17:08:22
86.   Tripon
82 So who's in the lineup for the 7-8-9th inning? I think its going to look like this.

Andre Ethier, RF
Matt Kemp, CF
Pablo Ozuna, 2B
Manny Ramirez, LF
Casey Blake, 3B
Nomar Garciaparra, SS
Russell Martin, C
James Loney, 1B
Chan Ho Park, P 7th
Cory Wade, p 8th
Jonathan Broxton, p 9th

2008-08-12 17:10:36
87.   Gagne55
If Kuroda and Penny struggle, then the Dodgers will not make the playoffs.

Therefore, the contrapositive is true: If the Dodgers make the playoffs, then Kuroda or Penny will have pitched well.

If Kuroda or Penny pitch well, then Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

If the Dodgers do not make the playoffs then Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

Therefore, Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

2008-08-12 17:11:45
88.   Jon Weisman
Jones to the DL.
2008-08-12 17:13:34
89.   Eric Enders
87 "If Kuroda or Penny pitch well, then Kershaw will not start a playoff game."

That "or" should be "and," given that a presumptive NLCS would require four starters. (In the Division Series you could possibly get away with three depending on the TV schedule.)

2008-08-12 17:14:35
90.   Jon Weisman
80 - This is getting like the disagreement Scareduck and I had last night over 83 wins vs. 85. I don't find the difference between "nearly zero" and "10 percent" in this context to be enough to merit a debate.

83 - He might be part of it, but I think it would be out of the bullpen if at all. There's the whole "veteran" angle to consider as well, although Kuo did get that start in NY.

2008-08-12 17:14:50
91.   RELX
86 . Will Nomar still be healthy by the 7th inning?
2008-08-12 17:17:15
92.   D4P
RBI double for Mike Schmidt Jr.
2008-08-12 17:17:59
93.   timm
88. 15 or 60 day????
2008-08-12 17:19:08
94.   Gagne55
89 Well then for the logic to hold up it would have to be:
If Kuroda or Penny struggle, then the Dodgers will not make the playoffs.

Therefore, the contrapositive is true: If the Dodgers make the playoffs, then Kuroda and Penny will have pitched well.

If Kuroda and Penny pitch well, then Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

If the Dodgers do not make the playoffs then Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

Therefore, Kershaw will not start a playoff game.

Though I'm not so sure I agree with that set of premises.

2008-08-12 17:21:07
95.   Zak
until Sept 1, I'm guessing, when rosters open up.
2008-08-12 17:21:22
96.   Jon Weisman
2008-08-12 17:21:30
97.   Tripon
Time to take a baseball bat to Kershaw's leg, and make sure he never starts again!

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