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Good Times
2008-08-16 16:16
by Jon Weisman

Brewers at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.
Tonight's Lineup
Matt Kemp, CF
Andre Ethier, LF
Jeff Kent, 2B
Manny Ramirez, LF
James Loney, 1B
Russell Martin, C
Nomar Garciaparra, SS
Casey Blake, 3B
Derek Lowe, P
Highlighted by good eats, good catch, good Wiffle ball and most of all, good folks, the 2008 Dodger Thoughts gathering was a success - in fact, as I write this, it may still be going on.

Special thanks to former Dodger Matt Luke, feel-good story of the 1998 season, for his guest appearance and to the Dodgers for arranging it. Luke showed up and chatted with us in the shade (thankfully) by the picnic tables for a good 45 minutes, which was a treat.

More thanks to BHSportsguy for doing all the legwork organizing the picnic, and to Bob Timmermann for his entertaining trivia quiz – and to both for joining me in offering prizes.

Hopefully, those who continue from the picnic to the game tonight will keep the good times rolling.

Comments (433)
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2008-08-16 16:26:57
1.   Alex41592
I look forward to hearing more about the picnic.

Diamondbacks take advantage of two straight days of awful starting pitching.

5-0 D'Backs Top 1. Backe is about to make his 42nd pitch.

2008-08-16 16:27:56
2.   Andrew Shimmin
Billie Jean King is on CSPAN2, right now.
2008-08-16 16:33:41
3.   D4P
What did you wear to the picnic?
2008-08-16 16:33:51
4.   Linkmeister
Please refresh my memory of Matt Luke's "feel-good" experience of 1998.
2008-08-16 16:38:12
5.   Alex41592
5-1 D'Backs Bot 1.
2008-08-16 16:39:50
6.   Tripon
Houston is now a pumpkin.
2008-08-16 16:40:33
7.   Andrew Shimmin
3- I'm sure there'll be pictures. In my defense, I didn't have time to change into more picnic-appropriate clothes. I did take off my coat and tie, and I changed into a pair of rubber soled shoes, but I was still a little over dressed.
2008-08-16 16:44:25
8.   Jon Weisman
He was a waiver pickup who hit 12 homers in 239 at-bats.
2008-08-16 16:44:35
9.   Tripon

Wow, Casey Kotchman sucks with the Braves with a OPS+ of 34.

2008-08-16 16:45:41
10.   Who Is Karim Garcia
The picnic was a blast. The whiffle ball was too much fun, although I did exceed my pitch count.

I'm sure Bob will post everyone's ERA+

2008-08-16 16:46:18
11.   Andrew Shimmin
The Fox postgame show had video of Broxton back-to-school shopping with kids at a Staples in L.A. He probably got first pick of assignments.
2008-08-16 16:47:46
12.   Linkmeister
8 Ah. Thanks. Apparently I've blocked the entire decade of the '90s from memory, at least as far as the Dodgers go.
2008-08-16 16:47:55
13.   Who Is Karim Garcia

We were thinking of doing a "match-the-name" when we posted the pictures.

2008-08-16 16:49:57
14.   Andrew Shimmin
Uh oh. I would have tried harder to remember names if I knew there was going to be a test.
2008-08-16 16:51:52
15.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Thanks for awarding me the win, by the way. I was glad to make sure everyone got some good eats.
2008-08-16 16:53:18
16.   mintxcore
I hope someone got a picture of ToyCannon running the bases with his electric scooter!

Apparently, playing as much Wii Sports Baseball as I have has given me a decent eye...

The only disappointing part of the Whiffle Ball games were the teams never had official names... I rallied for the West Virginia Troys but it really didn't catch on...

2008-08-16 16:53:31
17.   Tripon

Durham, 2B
Hardy, SS
Kapler, LF
Fielder, 1B
Hart, RF
Counsell, 3B
Cameron, CF
Kendall, C
Bush, P

Brewers lineup per Press-Enterprise Dodger blog.

2008-08-16 16:55:50
18.   D4P
Where had you come from that required you to be dressed up...?
2008-08-16 17:00:59
19.   Andrew Shimmin
Diamond Bar.
2008-08-16 17:02:24
20.   D4P
I had to Google "Diamond Bar".

All who enter there are required to wear coat and tie...?

2008-08-16 17:04:18
21.   Andrew Shimmin
As long as you have absolutely no follow up questions, let's say yes.
2008-08-16 17:06:51
22.   Tripon

article on James McDonald, and what a sorry state the M's farm system is.

2008-08-16 17:10:53
23.   Bob Hendley
According to Wiki, who else cares, noted residents of Diamond Bar include Bert Blyleven, Jim Edmonds, Keith Van Horn, and Snoop Dog.
2008-08-16 17:15:35
24.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there any city in the L.A. Metro area that doesn't claim Snoop Dogg? He's from everywhere.
2008-08-16 17:17:11
25.   Marty
My other dog's name is actually Frannie. And I'm so glad she decided to stop biting people.
2008-08-16 17:18:35
26.   Tripon

Adam Dunn doesn't have a homer for August and is OPSing .526. Lets hope he keeps this pace up into Sept.

2008-08-16 17:21:32
27.   Kevin Lewis
I just woke up from my nap after the wiffle ball game. The picnic was really fun. I didn't know what to expect...possibly something out of a Simpsons episode with everyone talking via our computers at the park benches.

There is no reason this should only be a once a year things. I am thinking 3-4 times a year would be great. We could go by the seasons...the standard ones, not the ones of Southern California.

2008-08-16 17:23:13
28.   Tripon
27 You can have one at Angel Stadium when the Dodgers go to Orange County and change the site to "Angel Thoughts" for a day.
2008-08-16 17:27:05
29.   Andrew Shimmin
Huh. I really thought I remembered the dogs' names. Dispiriting.
2008-08-16 17:28:58
30.   Jacob L
25 Yeah, Sadie is name of the baby I was lugging around, but I could see how that would confuse somebody.

But seriously, I had a blast. It was nice to meet everybody, increasing my face-to-face with DTers from like 3 to like 30. Special thanks to everybody that took a turn watching my kids (Mrs. Jon, bhsportsguy).

2008-08-16 17:31:02
31.   kinbote
Sorry I couldn't make it today. I wish I could have.

So, in light of all the talk this year about intangibles, who is the "grittiest" member of DT?

2008-08-16 17:32:26
32.   Tripon
Carlos Silva of the M's is on the DL. What a train wreck for the M's.
2008-08-16 17:33:12
33.   Andrew Shimmin
See, this is why I don't go places, or do things. I'm just not good at it. Apologies all around.
2008-08-16 17:34:14
34.   Lexinthedena
It was great to meet folks today at the DT picnic, I withdrew myself from round two of wiffle ball amid allegations of performance enhancers.

Toy Cannon recieves the Juan Pierre Memorial "Making Things Happen" award for his gritty base-scooting. Who is Karim Garcia interfered on just about every fly ball, so there should be an award for that.

Fun times all around...we should definitely do this more often.

2008-08-16 17:35:18
35.   kinbote
32 4y/$48m. Should we trade Pierre for him this offseason? Their contracts almost match up.
2008-08-16 17:38:04
36.   Tripon
35 I'd like to think we can get at least one low level prospect for Juan Pierre. Some random A-Ball player who's just young enough to be intriguing. If we deal JP to the M's, I rather just do a Ichiro for JP/Ethier swap.
2008-08-16 17:43:06
37.   kinbote
36 Let's not have the warm afterglow of a successful picnic be sullied by Juan Pierre Trade Thoughts. I desist. :)
2008-08-16 17:46:08
38.   Johnny Nucleo
Just a suggestion...maybe people could upload photos onto the Dodger Thoughts Flickr page. I don't see it on the sidebar, but it's here:

2008-08-16 17:47:56
39.   Indiana Jon
Laroche just homered off Pedro.
2008-08-16 17:51:15
40.   Gilberto Reyes
From Diamond today...

Loney could get some days off against tough lefties in the future. "Loney's so unpredictable," said Torre, who could choose to sit Loney against either Jeff Francis or Glendon Rusch when the Rockies come to town next week.

What does Torre mean when he calles Loney unpredictable?

2008-08-16 17:51:21
41.   Alex41592
39 - Granted in a game they were down 6-0. Hanging curveball right down the middle. Good for him though.
2008-08-16 17:55:06
42.   Bob Hendley
40 - I haven't looked at his splits myself, but the other night Vin was going on and on about how WGJ was hitting in the .290-.300 range in most situations, left-right home-away, etc.
2008-08-16 17:56:06
43.   Alex41592
40 - Playing Berroa over Loney is just wrong on so many levels. If we had a shortstop who was better offensively I could get behind it with 'tough' lefties. But, Berroa over Loney, no thanks.
2008-08-16 17:58:27
44.   Lexinthedena
42 So we've settled on Weird Game James?

I love it.

2008-08-16 18:00:46
45.   68elcamino427
Dodger Thoughts:

One of the best places on the planet!

2008-08-16 18:01:50
46.   Johnny Nucleo
Article on Manny and the Dodgers in the NYT today, apologies if it's been posted before:

2008-08-16 18:02:28
47.   Gilberto Reyes
42 I also thought that Loney's splits were pretty consistant this year. That is why I questioned Torre's use of the word "unpredictable".

43 The Berroa over Loney argument is ridiculous.

2008-08-16 18:04:52
48.   overkill94
Totally bummed I missed the outing this year, we should attempt to at least have a mini-DT outing at a September game as long as we're still in it (knock on wood). I expect to see plenty of pictures!
2008-08-16 18:05:04
49.   Bob Hendley
Vin's right about just about everything but lefty/right where BA is .260/.310 and OPS is .687/.847. You could say that he consistently hits righties better than lefties. As noted in 43 , if the option is Berroa, no thanks.
2008-08-16 18:13:23
50.   Bob Hendley
44 - If only in honor of Pee Wee, who lost his roommate and went on the DL.
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2008-08-16 18:14:32
51.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Overkill 94, you were missed bro.
2008-08-16 18:16:54
52.   Gilberto Reyes
49 I agree.

OPS vs lefties this year
Loney .693
Berroa .572

Not a tough decision.

2008-08-16 18:17:49
53.   Tripon
There's a Berroa over Loney argument? In what planet?

I think this is more planting the seeds for if and when Furcal comes back and suddenly Nomar is a bench player. So Nomar can start at first against lefites while Furcal starts at SS, and Loney becomes the best bench player this side of Mark Sweeney.

2008-08-16 18:25:20
54.   68elcamino427
Major DT Power Maker!

The Pre-Playoff Game Gathering!

Book It!

2008-08-16 18:26:01
55.   Dodgers49
From Tony Jackson:

Dodgers still looking for a pitcher?

>> Joe Torre says he's not counting on Brad Penny coming back -- <<

## Also, Torre says that even if Rafael Furcal comes back, he probably can't be counted on as an everyday player after missing so much time. ##

2008-08-16 18:33:48
56.   Bob Hendley
53 - Planet Torre. Diamond was talking about next week, not when Furcal gets back. If he is just thinking about a way of giving Nomar rest from SS, why does he need to bad mouth WGJ in the process.
2008-08-16 18:35:05
57.   Tripon
One thing about Torre. He doesn't do much of the stuff he says he's going to do. However, he might be saying this to let him play Ethier when a lefty starts and sit both Loney and JP. Or play JP and Berroa in the same lineup.

So basically our options against lefties is:

JP leading off, and Loney batting 8th with Berroa and Ethier benched.

JP leading off, and Berroa batting 8th with Ethier and Loney benched.

Ethier in the 2nd or 7th spot, and Berroa in the 8th spot, with JP and Loney benched.

Of course, this assumes that both Ethier and Loney both won't start at the same time against lefties despite giving us the best offensive and defensive support for the game. Which would you pick?

2008-08-16 18:37:23
58.   Tripon
Dodgers pregame is on KCAL live.
2008-08-16 18:37:45
59.   68elcamino427
Has Penny come down with a case of "Schmidtitis"?

Minor leauge Innings Pitched 569.2 + Major Leauge Innings 1,978.7 innings Pitched (13 Years) = 2,547.9 Innings Pitched Total

CLB = No More Winstrol

2008-08-16 18:40:11
60.   68elcamino427

Furcal at Short, Nomar at Second, and Kent at First = Torre Nirvanna

2008-08-16 18:40:49
61.   KG16
60 - Torre is obviously an agent of the Diamondbacks.
2008-08-16 18:45:36
62.   68elcamino427
Given the lineup for tonight's game I love Torre.

Good Vibrations!

*Looking forward to a modest two game winning streak for Lowe.

2008-08-16 18:46:27
63.   Bob Hendley
60 - Kent appears to be the one from another planet, with an August OPS of 1.022.
2008-08-16 18:46:52
64.   Tripon
At least tonight's game is on KCAL. No more tomfoolery from FSN Prime until Monday.
2008-08-16 18:48:06
65.   Tripon
I wouldn't mind as much about Nomar starting over Loney at first against lefties if we brought up Hu to be Nomar's backup.
2008-08-16 18:50:33
66.   GoBears
65. Good point by you, sir!
2008-08-16 18:50:35
67.   Tripon
The NY Mets relief core is trying to give up a 7-1 lead to the Pirates. Because that's how they roll.
2008-08-16 18:50:55
68.   68elcamino427
Jeff Kent now starring in "True Grit"!

For all of the crap that I've dished out to this guy - I Love It!

Feel the Pain and fight through it!

The Old Man Is a Stud!

Fight On!

2008-08-16 18:52:09
69.   KG16
62 - yeah, i was being a bit snarky there. tonight's line up is the best possible line up, so I'm happy to see it. Torre's preference for PVL is starting to grate, but some of the Bronx Banter folks warned us, so it is what it is.
2008-08-16 18:52:32
70.   Tripon
Oh! The Mets relievers couldn't blow another game! I'm sure they're mad they failed to blow another win opportunity.
2008-08-16 18:54:02
71.   Bob Hendley
69 - Yes, I much prefer bemoaning what he says, instead of what he does.
2008-08-16 18:54:21
72.   68elcamino427
You've got it down!
2008-08-16 19:00:03
73.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not entirely clear from the context, but it's possible that Eric Karros considers himself a "former Dodger legend."
2008-08-16 19:02:36
74.   Tripon
73 Er, He's certainly a former Dodgers something. But he donates a sizable amount to Think Cure, the Dodgers should let him think whatever he wants.
2008-08-16 19:04:34
75.   68elcamino427

Think Cure!

Please Donate Now!

2008-08-16 19:06:59
76.   68elcamino427
As you go through life try'in to reach your goal - remember what I said about a little bit of Soul
2008-08-16 19:07:14
77.   Tripon
warning to all people who visit Don't visit the site unless you want to be in daunted with news of Phelps.
2008-08-16 19:10:15
78.   Bluebleeder87
here at the game with some of the guys. JJ42 took plenty of picks hopefully he posts them on the DT flkr thing.

Seriously we gotta do this more often, really fun.

2008-08-16 19:11:19
79.   Tripon
Lowe strikes out Durham to start the game.
2008-08-16 19:11:21
80.   MonkeyBlue
Take that lead off hitter!
2008-08-16 19:11:25
81.   68elcamino427
Sit Down!
2008-08-16 19:12:52
82.   MonkeyBlue
BIG BREAK for the Dodgers!
2008-08-16 19:13:24
83.   D4P
2008-08-16 19:13:38
84.   thinkblue88
Good start so far.

Lets go Dodgers!

2008-08-16 19:13:38
85.   68elcamino427
Lesson Learned - Don't mess with Garciaparra!
2008-08-16 19:13:42
86.   Tripon
Gabe Kapler had a double and then thrown out at 2nd. Matt Kemp gets an outfield assist.

That would be my number one argument against starting Juan Pierre against lefties. He just can't make that throw.

2008-08-16 19:13:50
87.   Andrew Shimmin
Nomar tagged him at exactly the right moment.
2008-08-16 19:14:49
88.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 19:16:02
89.   Alex41592
2008-08-16 19:16:08
90.   MonkeyBlue
Bison power!
2008-08-16 19:16:16
91.   Bob Hendley
Nice move by Gabe, seemed to me that Kemp was taking his time to get to the ball (lulling the runner?).
2008-08-16 19:16:28
92.   Tripon
They should move that tarp. If it didn't hit that, Kemp might had have time to get a triple.
2008-08-16 19:17:02
93.   68elcamino427
Bison Power! My favorite player btw.
2008-08-16 19:17:08
94.   D4P
Exclamation point!
2008-08-16 19:17:48
95.   Tripon
2008-08-16 19:17:48
96.   Icaros
Great start!
2008-08-16 19:17:49
97.   MonkeyBlue
Ethier power!!!!!
2008-08-16 19:17:54
98.   TheBigGrabowski
I think I'm in love with a man named Bison.
2008-08-16 19:18:00
99.   Alex41592
ETHIER! That's quite the start for the Dodgers tonight!
2008-08-16 19:18:03
100.   thinkblue88


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2008-08-16 19:18:05
101.   TheBigGrabowski
Ethier, alright!
2008-08-16 19:18:28
102.   MC Safety
Pretty bummed I missed the picnic, especially the wiffle ball. Who had the best pitch?

Go Andre!

2008-08-16 19:18:37
103.   Tripon
Ethier must love the low curve. Isn't that the 2nd homer he hit low and outside?
2008-08-16 19:18:42
104.   Jon Weisman
For those who say Kemp never pulls ... remember today.
2008-08-16 19:18:58
105.   68elcamino427
Ok, New Name Time! The Plan Man!

Ethier Home Run!

This is so much fun!

2008-08-16 19:19:10
106.   Bob Hendley
Bush, prone to the dinger.
2008-08-16 19:19:11
107.   D4P
I wonder if Torre feels stupid for playing Jones/Pierre so much over Ethier this season!
2008-08-16 19:19:21
108.   Bluebleeder87
that Ethier bomb was sweet!
2008-08-16 19:20:57
109.   MonkeyBlue
103. Yep, Ethier other profession is golfing!
2008-08-16 19:21:15
110.   ucladodger

He's been so much better at turning on pitches. He still has a little trouble getting around on fastballs (takes most of those to center and right) but he is really spinning on the off speed stuff. So much better than earlier in the year. He has been spectacular these last few months and nobody is happier than me (maybe Matt himself...maybe).

2008-08-16 19:21:47
111.   D4P
Dodgers's lineup includes 7 players OPSing .800 or better!
2008-08-16 19:22:27
112.   Bob Hendley
Brewer announcer refers to Dodgers as a Buzz Saw.
2008-08-16 19:22:31
113.   Tripon
Kinda odd how Torre trusts Loney to bat 5th behind Manny but is considering benching or starting him 8th against lefties.
2008-08-16 19:23:01
114.   68elcamino427

The Politician - Step into my car ...

2008-08-16 19:25:04
115.   Icaros

Not anymore. Martin just dropped to .799.

2008-08-16 19:25:41
116.   MMSMikey
i dont like torres lineup right now, i think gar par should be hitting 5th and blake 6th, loney 7 martin 8. martin has been struggling and the ball just isnt coming off loneys bat with any type of authority these days. he has no pop.
2008-08-16 19:26:28
117.   Icaros
And Loney is now .798.
2008-08-16 19:27:26
118.   D4P
Dodgers's lineup includes 7 players OPSing .798 or better!
2008-08-16 19:27:31
119.   Tripon
Fielder doesn't seem to hustle.
2008-08-16 19:27:45
120.   68elcamino427
A good coach will only ask more from those that he knows have more to give.
Loney has so much more to give.
Think double reverse psych.
2008-08-16 19:28:55
121.   KG16
120 - is that anything like double secret probation?
2008-08-16 19:29:18
122.   Gen3Blue
I've got some announcers who are hilarious. At first I couldnt tell if they were D's or Phillies. But they sure were'nt Vin. First they said Pierre getting a rare day off against a R_L? hander. Then they said and with all their outfielders here is Ethier because Torre can afford to keep everyone sharp. Then they went into how the D's couldn't score runs in the first half but now they could since Manny arrived. They made no association that maybe playing Kemp and Ethier led to runs as Ethier was hitting a two run homer. And as they keep talking it continues to be even funnier.
2008-08-16 19:30:47
123.   Tripon
And Craig Counsell will need to play until he's 80 to reach hit number 3000.
2008-08-16 19:31:29
124.   Tripon
Nomar being Berroa.
2008-08-16 19:31:30
125.   Gen3Blue
Sorry---in 122 should be Brewers--not Phils.

In the first half watching Lowe blow a lead would have hurt our chances, but with this line-up we can come back.

2008-08-16 19:33:55
126.   68elcamino427

If I were an announcer or wanted to be one, I would spend all of my free time training myself to imitate Vin.

Dick Enberg is the only person that I would say comes close.

2008-08-16 19:36:13
127.   Tripon
Ryan Braun seems to be available to pitch hit tonight, and is looking to start tomorrow.
2008-08-16 19:39:25
128.   68elcamino427
We can never see ousrselves as others do.

Even I can see that Loney has the ability to master the outside pitch approach and then turn on the inside pitch.

Same for Bison.

It's easy to turn on the inside fastball.

It takes real talent to hit the outside ball for power consistently.

2008-08-16 19:39:26
129.   Andrew Shimmin
What a catch.
2008-08-16 19:39:27
130.   Tripon
Dang! I thought that was out!
2008-08-16 19:39:28
131.   thinkblue88
Wow, what a catch.
2008-08-16 19:39:50
132.   Alex41592
Tremendous catch by Hart.
2008-08-16 19:40:05
133.   Tripon
Cory Hart hit his head on the wall.
2008-08-16 19:45:09
134.   MonkeyBlue
Nice inning for Lowe
2008-08-16 19:45:17
135.   thinkblue88
Nice inning by Lowe.
2008-08-16 19:45:59
136.   68elcamino427
Old Man can always make the regular play!
2008-08-16 19:48:12
137.   Tripon
Come on Ethier hit a triple here!
2008-08-16 19:50:07
138.   Tripon
Dave Bush is getting into a groove. Not good.
2008-08-16 19:50:22
139.   MonkeyBlue
Yessh the Dodgers just rolling over. only 30 pitches thrown so far for Bush.
2008-08-16 19:52:20
140.   68elcamino427
Dodgers lead the Brewers 2 to 1 ...
2008-08-16 19:52:52
141.   Gen3Blue
Looking at Kent's last 4 or 5 games he has been HOT. Anyway if this line up gets 6 or 7 innings they will almost always score a lot of runs.
2008-08-16 19:55:42
142.   68elcamino427

I was think'in today that it might be a good idea to sign up Blake and Manny for a couple of years - Whadda ya say?

2008-08-16 19:56:41
143.   Alex41592
Kent has been hot since the break. He's just been over the top hot lately.
2008-08-16 19:57:47
144.   68elcamino427
Lowe - Roll'in it over ...
2008-08-16 19:59:41
145.   Tripon
Manny being Ground Single.
2008-08-16 20:01:19
146.   Alex41592
That is so frustrating when they play up the middle.
2008-08-16 20:02:39
147.   Tripon
This is what happens when people make fun of the Brewers infield Defense.
2008-08-16 20:02:52
148.   Gen3Blue
142 If you could get either of them for one year--and you might get Blake --do it. But I'm the wrong guy to go to( to Scottish deep in the bones) to go long term. I would love to have Manny for a year or two, but his whole point in being impossible in Boston seemed to be so that he and Boras could get a four year huge payday. And in four years he will be Kent if he is lucky.
2008-08-16 20:03:02
149.   68elcamino427
Loney will learn to stay back and trust his hands. Mattingly will see to it.
2008-08-16 20:03:46
150.   Andrew Shimmin
James Loney: not too fast.
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2008-08-16 20:04:06
151.   Gen3Blue
Why does Loney run? Please?
2008-08-16 20:04:09
152.   Tripon
What the heck! Why the heck was Loney looking to steal!? Was Torre talking about this when he said Loney was unpredictable?
2008-08-16 20:04:59
153.   The Dude Abides
Did they put the take sign on? That was a fastball right down the pipe, right where Nomar loves it.
2008-08-16 20:05:17
154.   Alex41592
A straight steal for Loney? Why? Even if successful it's not smart. That pitch was right down central for Nomar. Bad all the way around.
2008-08-16 20:05:31
155.   Ken Noe
Just got in...Matt Luke! How cool.
2008-08-16 20:07:10
156.   Marty
I missed Luke. But I can't for the life of me remember him as a Dodger.
2008-08-16 20:08:14
157.   68elcamino427
Yeah, you're right. Always keep in mind that I'm the guy that was advocating re-signing Furcal at the start of the season.

Great to see you back here. You had mentioned some challenges with the health. Hope you're ok.

2008-08-16 20:09:13
158.   Bob Hendley
Joe has been sending Loney in that situation all year and I think it is because he is slow. Doesn't seem smart to me. Must be a traditional baseball thing.
2008-08-16 20:09:16
159.   Alex41592
Lowe hasn't hit his spot once this inning. And he got a loud out there.
2008-08-16 20:09:26
160.   68elcamino427
Bison Defense!
2008-08-16 20:09:30
161.   ToyCannon
BlueBleeder threw gas, I'm not sure how we scored four runs off him. Kevin completely shut down the BlueBleeder led team in leading the Karim Garcia's to a 4-2 victory thus sweeping the doubleheader.

The food was incredible from the Portuguese Eggs, to the Carne Asada, to the TriTip, to the donuts, to the brownies, to the Cookies.

Andrew Shimmin was waiting for a boardroom to break out.

2008-08-16 20:12:09
162.   Icaros
Can someone post a photo of Andrew Shimmin? I'd like to see who I should be aware of.
2008-08-16 20:12:11
163.   D4P
Michael Phelps's final swim is complete.
2008-08-16 20:13:09
164.   Alex41592
Martin sets up in and the ball tails out over the plate. Lowe's slider looks good though.
2008-08-16 20:14:29
165.   dkminnick
I am sorry to have missed the picnic today. I was at my kids' baseball fields preparing them for Fall Ball.

Hey, I've got an idea! Let's do another one next weekend at South Weddington Park. We can spend the day weeding, edging and mowing.

Marty, did you end up going? How's the peeper?

2008-08-16 20:14:47
166.   68elcamino427
So down go the Brewers - Vin.

Great job by Lowe - and Martin (the Robot Made of Nails).

2008-08-16 20:16:10
167.   Sam PHL
I love Matt Kemp, but is anyone else concerned about his platoon splits? In 2008,

Kemp's OPS vs LHP = 1.048
Kemp's OPS vs RHP = .731

ML RHB OPS vs LHP = .776
ML RHB OPS vs RHP = .719

So Kemp's OPS is 43% better against LHP, while the ML righties are only OPSing 8% higher against LHP. He's basically average against RHP but makes his living off lefties. In his career, Kemp's split is .951 / .776.

Related to 104 , maybe his reaction time is slow but he's able to catch up better to lefties? It would be interesting to see hit charts by platoon split. Anybody know where those can be found? Maybe he pulls more vs LHP...

2008-08-16 20:16:10
168.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 20:19:10
169.   Tripon
Somebody on TV committed a rule one violation.
2008-08-16 20:19:20
170.   MonkeyBlue
Well at least Lowe made Bush work.
2008-08-16 20:21:09
171.   Icaros
Only 48 pitches through 5 for Bush.
2008-08-16 20:21:17
172.   68elcamino427

Please Make a donation to Think Blue!

If you have already made one, please make another.

In love ...

2008-08-16 20:21:21
173.   Andrew Shimmin
162- I'm the one on the right.
2008-08-16 20:21:47
174.   Andrew Shimmin

2008-08-16 20:23:06
175.   MonkeyBlue
No error for Nomar!
2008-08-16 20:26:10
176.   Bob Hendley
Mmmmh.. these guys keep knocking.
2008-08-16 20:26:29
177.   The Dude Abides
Yes Derek, that was strike three. Sorry the ump missed it. Now forget about that single and mow them down.
2008-08-16 20:27:40
178.   oshea2002
With the way the Brewers announcers are describing Lowe's performance you'd think he's given up 8 runs or something.
2008-08-16 20:28:41
179.   MonkeyBlue
What the heck ManRam!?
2008-08-16 20:28:52
180.   Tripon
Oh Manny. Whatever will we do with you?
2008-08-16 20:29:12
181.   oshea2002
I think that error is just as much on Loney, although throwing it was not the right decision.
2008-08-16 20:29:33
182.   Tripon
Wait, that was a two base error?
2008-08-16 20:30:19
183.   Bob Hendley
178 - He has been pitching with runners on for the past 4 innings, and the leadoff guy for at least the past three. So he is being gritty.
2008-08-16 20:30:20
184.   Alex41592
No harm. Nice job Lowe.
2008-08-16 20:31:05
185.   The Dude Abides
Odd that that's a two-base error when the runner is on the bag after going back to first.
2008-08-16 20:32:13
186.   MonkeyBlue
Dodgers did to be more patient.
2008-08-16 20:32:13
187.   Alex41592
Lowe may be through 6 innings with 1 run. But, he's been all over the place and nobody is making him pay for his mistakes. His slider is working very well tonight otherwise he'd be knee deep in stuff.
2008-08-16 20:32:22
188.   68elcamino427
Dodger Love - Time to score!
2008-08-16 20:32:49
189.   Tripon
Don't visit yahoo,, or any other website in the history of man.
2008-08-16 20:34:20
190.   thinkblue88
Tough sliders, great job on laying off.
Oh well, he grounded out.
2008-08-16 20:35:04
191.   68elcamino427
Well, that happens alot when you try to pull a curveball.
2008-08-16 20:35:30
192.   ucladodger
Really nice AB by Matt after he got down 0-2. He had his pitch but just missed it. Love the way he took those 2 strike offerings.
2008-08-16 20:35:57
193.   ucladodger

Are you talking about Kemp's AB?

2008-08-16 20:36:57
194.   The Dude Abides
Grumpy with the liner!
2008-08-16 20:37:19
195.   68elcamino427
Does Bush resemble JJJ or is it just ...
2008-08-16 20:38:10
196.   The Dude Abides
I don't think Manny misses too many of those
2008-08-16 20:39:06
197.   68elcamino427
Yeah - a bit out in front and on top.

The Bison will be back!

2008-08-16 20:41:40
198.   Tripon
Can we get into the Brewers bullpen and light them up already?
2008-08-16 20:42:00
199.   Bob Hendley
195 - Guys got the fourth best WHIP in the NL, so performance not really all that surprising
2008-08-16 20:42:39
200.   MonkeyBlue
Another lead off hit.
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2008-08-16 20:43:00
201.   ucladodger

That pitch wasnt a curveball. Anyways, when you get an offspeed pitch middle in, you better turn on it. Thats what happened in his 1st AB. Basically, if you try to pull a breaking ball on the outer half thats what will happen. If the breaking ball is middle in, pulling the ball is easiest for the hitter (its really tough to go inside out on a pitch you have to wait on)

2008-08-16 20:43:52
202.   MonkeyBlue
Damn Kent is so old.
2008-08-16 20:45:26
203.   Bluebleeder87

Ha! I was just telling BH the same thing.

2008-08-16 20:46:09
204.   Alex41592
Beautiful DP. Get Kuo up and lets roll.
2008-08-16 20:46:47
205.   MonkeyBlue
204. I like to bring in Park then Kuo.
2008-08-16 20:47:43
206.   68elcamino427
I never doubt you. You are always on spot.
2008-08-16 20:49:10
207.   Bob Hendley
198 - Taking about pens, do they send Lowe out for another inning?
2008-08-16 20:49:10
208.   ucladodger

Gracias. Just love talking the game. It's amazing how something so simple as see ball; hit ball has so many different levels to it.

2008-08-16 20:49:40
209.   Tripon
I'm getting sick of Cameron.
2008-08-16 20:49:47
210.   68elcamino427
Web Gem
2008-08-16 20:50:17
211.   thinkblue88
2008-08-16 20:50:18
212.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 20:50:19
213.   Tripon
2008-08-16 20:50:22
214.   Alex41592
WOW. This is ridiculous!
2008-08-16 20:50:48
215.   ucladodger
Well thats not very fair
2008-08-16 20:51:00
216.   Jon Weisman
Two of the best catches I've seen all year tonight. And Cameron made a third diving play look routine.
2008-08-16 20:51:07
217.   Tripon
None of them in the stands are true Dodgers fans. None of them. NONE OF THEM.
2008-08-16 20:51:21
218.   Icaros
This game hasn't been fun to watch.
2008-08-16 20:52:10
219.   Bob Hendley
Can a fan set a pick on that play?
2008-08-16 20:52:52
220.   Lexinthedena of the best catches I've ever seen.
2008-08-16 20:53:04
221.   The Dude Abides
The fan with the glove made a valiant effort. The guy whose seat was right where the ball was didn't even make any kind of effort at all. The ushers should kick him out of the stadium on general principles.
2008-08-16 20:53:23
222.   Rob M
I can't believe the guy sitting right there in the front freaking row in a Dodger shirt didn't stand up and get in Kapler's way. Damn - that's free for all territory there. The player has no right of way.
2008-08-16 20:53:29
223.   68elcamino427
The Brewers want to win too.

Will the Dodgers pitching be too much to over come?

2008-08-16 20:53:41
224.   natepurcell
Someone in the stands needed to try and go after that ball!
2008-08-16 20:54:07
225.   Tripon
Ryan Braun up to PH, Bush is out.
2008-08-16 20:54:38
226.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 20:54:41
227.   Tripon
Nomar's and Lowe out. Kuo and Berroa in.
2008-08-16 20:55:10
228.   68elcamino427
That's gints ball
2008-08-16 20:56:13
229.   Alex41592
Torre trusts Kuo more than anybody in that bullpen. But, knows he can only use him every other day most of the time.
2008-08-16 20:56:55
230.   ToyCannon
Just added a few pictures from the picnic. I was to busy playing ball to take many so there are only 13.
2008-08-16 20:57:26
231.   68elcamino427
So -

Should the Dodgers try to bring back Manny and Casey?

2008-08-16 20:57:33
232.   Rob M
Braun punishes lefties, but not sure if we have a better option here with Wade out.
2008-08-16 20:57:39
233.   Tripon
229 Torre trusts Broxton too.
2008-08-16 20:57:56
234.   Bob Hendley
Jeffrey Maier would have had that one. Damn Yankees.
2008-08-16 20:58:34
235.   MonkeyBlue
232. Most of his power is from his right though.
2008-08-16 20:59:07
236.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 20:59:40
237.   Tripon
Bruan with a line drive double that straggled the right field line.
2008-08-16 21:00:18
238.   Bob Hendley
Lead off guy on again!
2008-08-16 21:01:19
239.   Bob Hendley
Brewer announcer surprised that Durham not bunting.
2008-08-16 21:01:31
240.   MonkeyBlue
Crap, I think this time its going to cost the Dodgers.
2008-08-16 21:01:40
241.   Tripon
Time for a K here Kuo.
2008-08-16 21:03:18
242.   Tripon
Er, crap.
2008-08-16 21:03:25
243.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 21:03:28
244.   Alex41592
And he missed that. Stunner.
2008-08-16 21:04:04
245.   oshea2002
Brewers were bound to break through eventually
2008-08-16 21:04:13
246.   MonkeyBlue
Things don't always go according to plan.
2008-08-16 21:04:45
247.   Bob Hendley
2008-08-16 21:06:18
248.   68elcamino427
Kou-Gou - Working hard and Sweat'in it.
2008-08-16 21:07:20
249.   68elcamino427
Great pics, thanks.
2008-08-16 21:07:53
250.   Alex41592
Is Gagne up in the Brewers pen?
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2008-08-16 21:09:16
251.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 21:09:29
252.   Bob Hendley
Does that double switch seem smart now? Ozuna can play ss, right.
2008-08-16 21:09:46
253.   jtrichey
I was the one talking last night about Kemp not pulling the ball. I was referring to fly balls specifically. I didn't see his double tonight, but someone mentioned it hitting the tarp, which sounds like it was a ground ball.

I'm not concerned so much as perplexed. I think he would be a better hitter if he pulled the ball in the air at the appropriate times, and this year he hasn't. Can someone with access to the Bill James site verify these thoughts?

2008-08-16 21:09:51
254.   Tripon
Gagne's still the Brewers closer?
2008-08-16 21:10:42
255.   Alex41592
254 - No, Torres is. Gagne I believe sets up for them.
2008-08-16 21:11:52
256.   MonkeyBlue
Hello there Gagne!
2008-08-16 21:12:06
257.   Sam PHL
Dodger fans shouldn't boo Gagne.
2008-08-16 21:13:12
258.   Penguin
way to conserve gas Gagne
2008-08-16 21:13:42
259.   Alex41592
I think the ump screwed Blake there. Blake thought there was only 1 strike on him.
2008-08-16 21:13:54
260.   MonkeyBlue
Casey Blake look like Woody Harrison I must say.
2008-08-16 21:14:01
261.   Tripon
that wasn't a strike against Casey unless over the plate means six inches to the left side.
2008-08-16 21:15:12
262.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 21:15:19
263.   Alex41592
This is not our night.
2008-08-16 21:15:21
264.   thinkblue88
Okay, I really don't know what to say, except, damn!!!
2008-08-16 21:15:26
265.   Andrew Shimmin
Here on out, everybody bunts.
2008-08-16 21:15:28
266.   Rob M
Damn - thought that was a trap but looks like he got it.
2008-08-16 21:16:01
267.   68elcamino427
Cameron - What are you doing?
2008-08-16 21:16:50
268.   Tripon
If Gagne was a real Dodgers, he'd give up a fat HR to Kemp right now.
2008-08-16 21:17:58
269.   68elcamino427
Bison Power.

Watch out!

2008-08-16 21:18:08
270.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 21:18:09
271.   thinkblue88
not cool.
2008-08-16 21:18:10
272.   Icaros
This freaking game...
2008-08-16 21:18:19
273.   Alex41592
Feels like fate. If you believe in that sort of thing.
2008-08-16 21:18:29
274.   Marty
That's pretty much the story of this game.
2008-08-16 21:19:28
275.   natepurcell
This is game has been incredibly frustrating.
2008-08-16 21:19:38
276.   Tripon
We throw out Ethier, Kent, and Manny at the bottom of the 9th.
2008-08-16 21:19:48
277.   68elcamino427
One more MPH on that pitch and it's outta here!
2008-08-16 21:20:17
278.   MMSMikey
umm, how did that ball not get out?
2008-08-16 21:20:57
279.   MMSMikey
that ball looked like it would be at least 5 rows back off the bat
2008-08-16 21:21:34
280.   Alex41592
I question how Hardy's ball got out and how Kemp's ball did NOT go out. Then four highlight catches. Maybe lately that's the only way you can shut down our offense.
2008-08-16 21:23:12
281.   68elcamino427
Park / Deal'in
2008-08-16 21:24:43
282.   Tripon
Tony Jackson has news on Penny's MRI.
2008-08-16 21:26:10
283.   Alex41592
vs. Torres:

Ethier: 1 for 3 with a HR
Kent: 6 for 23 with 3 HR's
Manny: 2 for 7 with a HR

2008-08-16 21:26:34
284.   jasonungar07
Yeah I did one of those fist pump stand up off the couch thing. Thought for sure that was out. I am not Charley Steiner, I don't get fooled that often. Let's rally.
2008-08-16 21:27:00
285.   Alex41592
Aha, lefty on lefty first.
2008-08-16 21:27:47
286.   MMSMikey
the bootleg sidearm slinger to pitch to ethier
2008-08-16 21:28:15
287.   Alex41592
Lead off man on!
2008-08-16 21:28:58
288.   Tripon
Who is this guy? If I was the Brewers, I'd bring in Torres, my closer at the beginning.
2008-08-16 21:29:24
289.   Alex41592
First walk of the year by Brian Shouse to a lefty.
2008-08-16 21:29:32
290.   MMSMikey
kent is going to get robbed of a homer.
2008-08-16 21:33:28
291.   Tripon
Your mission if you choose to accept it is to THROW A STRIKE.
2008-08-16 21:33:52
292.   Alex41592
Hit and run?
2008-08-16 21:34:23
293.   Andrew Shimmin
9-8-7 Triple play, coming up. Book it.
2008-08-16 21:34:24
294.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 21:34:26
295.   thinkblue88


2008-08-16 21:34:27
296.   Alex41592
2008-08-16 21:34:32
297.   Sam PHL
Well that worked.
2008-08-16 21:34:34
298.   Tripon
2008-08-16 21:34:51
299.   Jon Weisman
Best hit and run Torre has called all season.

Both teams' shortstops now have errors!

2008-08-16 21:35:05
300.   Lexinthedena
Vin is truly at his best during these weird games.
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2008-08-16 21:35:09
301.   Alex41592
"Man-O-Man-O-Manny Ramirez"
2008-08-16 21:35:15
302.   Tripon
Manny's themesong is the Sapranos' song. That is awesome.
2008-08-16 21:35:31
303.   thinkblue88
tie game!!!
2008-08-16 21:35:40
304.   Alex41592
Great piece of hitting. Game extended.
2008-08-16 21:35:51
305.   Bob Hendley
OK. So on average their defense has been average.
2008-08-16 21:35:52
306.   68elcamino427
Now this is what I call DODGER LOVE!
2008-08-16 21:36:04
307.   Alex41592
Manny not trying to win the game and gets the job done.
2008-08-16 21:36:07
308.   Tripon
299 Nomar's error was later ruled a hit.
2008-08-16 21:36:58
309.   Jon Weisman
308 - Not in my book :)
2008-08-16 21:37:05
310.   Bob Hendley
OK, so with Ozuna at SS, no runner for Kent.
2008-08-16 21:37:08
311.   whodat807
Manny driving in the tying run. I love this guy.
2008-08-16 21:37:12
312.   thinkblue88
Get some payback, Golden God.
2008-08-16 21:37:46
313.   thinkblue88
hahahahaha!! sweet!
2008-08-16 21:37:51
314.   Alex41592
But, no Nomar! GAH!
2008-08-16 21:37:52
315.   Andrew Shimmin
Big time hustle for Kent.
2008-08-16 21:37:53
316.   MonkeyBlue
Smart running by Kent!
2008-08-16 21:38:04
317.   Lexinthedena
Great base running by the gritty one.
2008-08-16 21:38:05
318.   whodat807
Man, Loney hit that hard. Too bad.
2008-08-16 21:38:15
319.   Tripon

Dodgers PA love Journey's Don't Stop Believing.

2008-08-16 21:38:22
320.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 21:38:28
321.   Sam PHL
This game is so weird. They killed us with defense and are now giving us the game on defense.
2008-08-16 21:38:41
322.   Jon Weisman
Prince Fielder alertly dances over to cover second base on ricochet hit by Martin
2008-08-16 21:39:05
323.   Andrew Shimmin
Up comes Sweeney.

I stopped believing. Sorry Journey.

2008-08-16 21:39:22
324.   Jon Weisman
321 - Of course, the hardest hit ball this inning was turned into an out.
2008-08-16 21:39:52
325.   Lexinthedena
318 Very unlucky game for Loney.
2008-08-16 21:40:01
326.   Alex41592
Martin with the D.I.
2008-08-16 21:40:43
327.   68elcamino427
I Believe.

Big Time.

2008-08-16 21:40:43
328.   Alex41592
Hero time for Casey Blake.
2008-08-16 21:40:54
329.   MonkeyBlue
No pressure Casey no pressure!
2008-08-16 21:40:55
330.   Tripon
Ned Yost just looked flabbergasted, like Torres is being paid by the Dodgers to blow this game.
2008-08-16 21:41:03
331.   thinkblue88
Do they keep tack of those?

Lets go beard!

2008-08-16 21:41:35
332.   Tripon
Was Swenney pitching hitting for Berroa or Park?
2008-08-16 21:42:16
333.   Alex41592
In the it doesn't matter category: Pablo Ozuna is on deck.
2008-08-16 21:42:26
334.   Bob Hendley
2008-08-16 21:42:29
335.   Andrew Shimmin
A televised marathon is more boring than NASCAR.
2008-08-16 21:42:54
336.   Lexinthedena
MSTI calls Blake The Most Interesting Man in the World.
2008-08-16 21:42:55
337.   68elcamino427
That was close
2008-08-16 21:43:33
338.   MonkeyBlue
2008-08-16 21:43:55
339.   jtrichey
The Brewers defense taketh,...and they giveth away.
2008-08-16 21:43:58
340.   Alex41592
Now, it matters that Ozuna will lead off the 10th.
2008-08-16 21:44:50
341.   68elcamino427
I don't always drink beer - but when I do ...
2008-08-16 21:45:28
342.   Alex41592
Big bad Jon.
2008-08-16 21:46:20
343.   Alex41592
Man crush.
2008-08-16 21:46:20
344.   The Dude Abides
Bummer...I wish TMIMITW had not swung at that 1-0 pitch that was inside. Maybe at 2-0, Torres grooves one. Of course, maybe that 1-0 pitch had a lot of late movement.
2008-08-16 21:46:21
345.   MonkeyBlue
Bison speed!
2008-08-16 21:46:32
346.   thinkblue88
The flyin' bison!
2008-08-16 21:46:41
347.   68elcamino427
Bison Speed on Defense!
2008-08-16 21:47:21
348.   MollyKnight
Braun purchased 200 tickets for this game for his friends and family?

I can't watch this.

2008-08-16 21:47:41
349.   Bob Hendley
335 - But NASCAR is more bearble cuz you can drink. Watching Olympics make me want to drink Gatorade.
2008-08-16 21:48:15
350.   MonkeyBlue
Ox power!
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2008-08-16 21:48:23
351.   Alex41592
348 - You can open your eyes now.
2008-08-16 21:48:29
352.   68elcamino427
I'm watch'in it from Brea and lov'in it!
2008-08-16 21:48:51
353.   MollyKnight
Braun not swinging the way Braun normally swings. He usually looks like he's in the middle of a yoga class.
2008-08-16 21:49:36
354.   Lexinthedena
In the past week, Vin has doled out so much Bison love. Makes me happy.
2008-08-16 21:49:46
355.   Bob Hendley
Mongo throw gas!
2008-08-16 21:49:48
356.   Jon Weisman
351 - If her eyes are really closed, that ain't gonna work!


2008-08-16 21:50:39
357.   berkowit28
321 Well, they killed us on outfield defense, and gave it back on infield defense.
2008-08-16 21:50:52
358.   The Dude Abides
Oh, Vinny...I'm not sure that glove flip to 2nd would have even gotten there before Andre, who was running on the play.
2008-08-16 21:50:55
359.   Bluebleeder87
Great game man!
2008-08-16 21:51:00
360.   MollyKnight
299-I was thinking the same thing, about the hit and run.
2008-08-16 21:51:07
361.   MonkeyBlue
Damn it Broxton! you don't walk the Bulldurham!
2008-08-16 21:51:39
362.   The Dude Abides
Short little Durham with the tiny strike zone really bugs me.
2008-08-16 21:51:43
363.   MollyKnight
My eyes were RIGHT HERE. Not on the TV!
2008-08-16 21:51:52
364.   Sam PHL
So that's the secret - more grounders.
2008-08-16 21:52:25
365.   MollyKnight
C'mon! Strike him out!!
2008-08-16 21:52:46
366.   68elcamino427

Broxton the Closer!

2008-08-16 21:53:36
367.   jasonungar07
319 Tony is at Dodger Stadium at Canters, waiting for Meadow to get off the Trolly. He glances up at the TV and sees Manny up to bat, while hearing his themesong; fade to black..
2008-08-16 21:53:49
368.   MonkeyBlue
Good throw, slow tag.
2008-08-16 21:54:24
369.   The Dude Abides
Tiny little Durham with his quick tiny legs really bugs me...ARGGGHHHH!!!!
2008-08-16 21:54:26
370.   MollyKnight
What was Ethier doing there? Was that catchable?
2008-08-16 21:54:30
371.   Lexinthedena
This game is killin me
2008-08-16 21:54:31
372.   Chiron Brown
I'd pay $100 to slap Joe Torre right now. He doesn't double switch last night and his closer has to bat and run the bases. Tonight he does double switch with Kuo and Berroa but then hits for Berroa and doesn't bring Kuo back for the 9th. What was the point of the double switch? A half inning of Berroa's defense? Then you have to bring in Ozuna in the 9th so there's nobody to run or play defense for Kent. And he has to hit for Park so there's nobody left on the bench.
2008-08-16 21:54:33
373.   Sam PHL
2008-08-16 21:54:39
374.   MonkeyBlue
Thats game.
2008-08-16 21:54:48
375.   Jon Weisman
I know Martin's getting a lot of grief for his defense, but that steal wasn't on him - it was on Broxton.
2008-08-16 21:55:11
376.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 21:55:30
377.   Alex41592
I have no idea if that ball was catchable but I think you have to go ALL out to catch it even if you miss it.
2008-08-16 21:56:54
378.   68elcamino427

Are you say'in do or die?

2008-08-16 21:57:16
379.   Jon Weisman
377 - I agree. I don't think Ethier had a good read on it, though. Those low flies in the lights aren't easy.
2008-08-16 21:58:33
380.   Lexinthedena
You suck Ozuna
2008-08-16 21:58:47
381.   MMSMikey
pablo, when you get a fastball down the middle with two strikes you might want to swing.
2008-08-16 21:58:50
382.   bablue
That was an awful play by Andre. When the go-ahead run is going to score you have to lay out there and at least try to make the catch.
2008-08-16 21:59:06
383.   Daniel Zappala
We've still got Kemp and Ethier coming up. It's not over.
2008-08-16 21:59:28
384.   68elcamino427
Ok #54, how in the heck do you get up in the morning and look at yourself in the mirror with that thing on your chin?
2008-08-16 22:01:24
385.   Lexinthedena
In your face Cameron!
2008-08-16 22:01:29
386.   MonkeyBlue
Bison power! keeping our hope alive!
2008-08-16 22:01:44
387.   Alex41592
All right. Man on.
2008-08-16 22:01:47
388.   Andrew Shimmin
Stupid Kemp, making me un-stop believing.
2008-08-16 22:01:52
389.   68elcamino427
Bison - Clutch!
2008-08-16 22:02:46
390.   68elcamino427

Follow th Plan!

2008-08-16 22:03:00
391.   thinkblue88
2008-08-16 22:03:09
392.   Lexinthedena
What the heck is with this game?
2008-08-16 22:03:11
393.   Tripon
How the heck was that a single? A 399 feet single?
2008-08-16 22:03:27
394.   Sam PHL
Kemp needs to be on third there.
2008-08-16 22:03:29
395.   MonkeyBlue
What heck????? Bison suppose to score right there!
2008-08-16 22:04:00
396.   Alex41592
Aha, he was tagging up. Which is smart.
2008-08-16 22:05:23
397.   Andrew Shimmin
I've re-stopped, believing.
2008-08-16 22:07:57
398.   MonkeyBlue
This sucks.
2008-08-16 22:07:59
399.   Alex41592
Ethier killed the toaster.
2008-08-16 22:08:34
400.   bablue
And Kemp would have scored on Kent's ball... Awful, awful unlucky today.
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2008-08-16 22:09:03
401.   Alex41592
I'm warn out. Games like this take months off your life.
2008-08-16 22:09:24
402.   Daniel Zappala
Well, good try. Where's the first base coach on that play?
2008-08-16 22:09:39
403.   MMSMikey
ethiers ball just could'nt of gone over the fence, couldnt it?
2008-08-16 22:09:51
404.   Tripon
Kemp could have scored on the Andre Ethier 400 feet single. That was just a mistake, but oh well. Lets win on Sunday, and hope the Astros beat the D'Backs.
2008-08-16 22:10:31
405.   imperabo
The Brewers announcers were ripping Kemp for tagging up. I think he did the right thing. That ball should have either been caught or gone over the wall.
2008-08-16 22:10:46
406.   Lexinthedena
What a punch in the stomach. I officially hate the Brewers.
2008-08-16 22:10:51
407.   Bob Hendley
On Kemp, obviously I wasn't there, but I thought that the Dre's ball is either caught or a dinger, so Kemp did the right thing in trying to tag up and get into scoring position. Brewer announcers were all over him, however.
2008-08-16 22:11:13
408.   Johnny Nucleo
Despite the tough result, Dodgers were tougher to kill than Rasputin. Brewers were lucky to win.
2008-08-16 22:11:45
409.   68elcamino427
The Dodgers are playing some good baseball.
I'm eager for tomorrow's game.
Ready for a modest one game win steak:)
2008-08-16 22:11:46
410.   Xeifrank
As much as I like Kemp and as good of a player he is, he really really blew it with his boneheaded baserunning play on Ethier's hit off the wall. He should've been standing on 2nd base, waiting to see what Cameron did, then either break to third or back to first depending on the result. If he was standing on 2nd like he should've been, he probably could've scored given the carrom the ball took away from Cameron. At the very least (conservatively) he is on 3rd. I am not sure if he scores on Kent's fly ball or not. Oh well.
vr, Xei
2008-08-16 22:11:48
411.   The Dude Abides
Ughh....this was the toughest game of the year to lose. We missed so many extra-base hits by inches, and Bison overthought on that fly ball by Andre...should have been on 3B there, and would have scored on Kent's liner.
2008-08-16 22:12:22
412.   Chiron Brown
396 No, it's really stupid. Even if he thought the ball was going to be caught there's no reason for him to be standing at first when it is. If he were half way, where he should've been, he ends up on third and the game is tied. And if it were caught he can still get back.
2008-08-16 22:12:32
413.   Xeifrank
Kemp did the wrong thing. The Brewers announcers were right.
vr, Xei
2008-08-16 22:12:46
414.   Alex41592
I fear some media backlash for Kemp. Kemp's 'mental' mistakes and such. Kemp did the right thing but he should have been on third.
2008-08-16 22:13:46
415.   Xeifrank
412. Half way is no good either. You still can't tag up if you go half way. You can still make it back to first if you are standing on 2nd base. The right play is to be standing on 2nd base. With Kemp's speed and the distance of Cameron's throw, Kemp could've easily made it back to first.
vr, Xei
2008-08-16 22:13:54
416.   imperabo
412 Isn't getting the tying run into scoring position by tagging up a good reason if he thought the ball would be caught?
2008-08-16 22:14:34
417.   Xeifrank
414. Kemp deserves some backlash on this one.
vr, Xei
2008-08-16 22:14:44
418.   68elcamino427
Kemp listening to Duncan's intructions on that play?
2008-08-16 22:14:53
419.   Andrew Shimmin
I think Kemp should have gone to third while the ball was in the air, and the scored when Cameron couldn't catch it.

Because nobody's said that one, yet.

2008-08-16 22:15:19
420.   The Dude Abides
Actually, in that situation, he should be standing on 2B in case the ball goes off the wall or off the CF's glove. That way, at minimum, he makes it to 3B with less than two out. Bison was actually going back to tag up on that play.
2008-08-16 22:15:31
421.   Xeifrank
416. Nope, because he could always steal 2nd. Not a gaurantee, but he would most likely make it. He should've scored.
vr, Xei
2008-08-16 22:15:56
422.   Alex41592
If Ethier's ball is caught Kemp tags, goes to second and moves himself into scoring position with Kent coming up. I know why he did what he did but with the way that ball came back off the wall he should've been at third.
2008-08-16 22:17:58
423.   The Dude Abides
If he had been standing on 2B or even just rounding it on that play, he might even score, and Andre might have made it to 3B for a triple.
2008-08-16 22:18:11
424.   Alex41592
I don't see a clear 'right' answer here. I see a loss, but it sure does take a lot to beat this team. Tough one to take.
2008-08-16 22:19:05
425.   Bob Hendley
That's Cameron in CF, not JP. You gotta figure that if he doesn't get it, it is because its over the wall. Bad Brewer defense beats us in the end!
2008-08-16 22:19:23
426.   Marty
The field level left field fans lost this game.
2008-08-16 22:20:50
427.   68elcamino427
The Bison!

On and on we go.

Kemp is too much fun to watch!

Martin is the Robot Made of Nails!

Kent is an Old Man ,,, and he is tough!

These are kind of twists and turns in the season that i like! Blake! Manny! Park!

Please Donate to Think Cure!!!!!!!

2008-08-16 22:21:01
428.   The Dude Abides
Yes, tough one to take. We win the game if that nimrod sitting in the first row next to the bullpen decides to man up and try to catch Martin's drive. It was his seat where the ball was headed, and he didn't even stand up! The least he could have done was move forward and block Kapler from catching it.
2008-08-16 22:22:22
429.   jasonungar07
I'm not trying to defend Kemp. But I thought the ball was caught or gone. So did Bowa. So did Cameron. I think tagging was right, although it's frustrating.
2008-08-16 22:24:13
430.   Jon Weisman
2008-08-16 22:24:20
431.   68elcamino427
2008-08-16 22:25:13
432.   MMSMikey
425, i agree, cameron really should caught that ball, he jumped past it.
2008-08-17 01:20:13
433.   Dodger Tony
I believe we are now 17 wins and 18 losses in one run games. The Brewers are something like 22 wins and 13 losses in one run games. Over the course of the last week, since SF last weekend, we have won two games back to back in spectacular walk off fashion, and lost four games horrifically. The Ludwick game, the two in SF, and tonight are games you must win. They are games you do not get back and indicate why the Dodgers are roughly, again, a .500 team.

What is most glaring at this point in the pennant run, is the inability of the bullpen to nail it down. The loss of Saito has created a domino effect and I don't see how they salvage the season with the pen they have. The only veteran is Park. I don't count Johnson as a Major League veteran. What do you do? If Penny can pitch at all, you might be able to use him in relief. But who else?

The Dodgers have a good enough lineup to stay in games until the end, but the bullpen may very well end the hopes and aspirations of this team. Is it fixable at this point? And how do you fix it? Anyone? The numbers are less important than the nad, as it were.

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