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Manny's Mark
2008-09-01 16:01
by Jon Weisman

Manny Ramirez finished his first (and penultimate?) month in Los Angeles with simply mind-boggling numbers: .415 batting average, .508 on-base percentage, .736 slugging percentage, 1.244 OPS, 217 OPS+. He reached base 65 times in 29 games and had 16 extra-base hits, including nine home runs.

Ramirez has moved into second place in season-long VORP for Dodger hitters, behind Matt Kemp. (Rafael Furcal is hanging on in fourth.)

Padres at Dodgers, 5:10 p.m.

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2008-09-01 16:26:15
1.   Gagne55
That's better than Marlon Andersen's first month!
2008-09-01 16:26:33
2.   Bilshaw
Lets just focus on ourselves now.GO Blue
2008-09-01 16:27:19
3.   trainwreck
Do they figure more people will attend the game if it's at 5:00?
2008-09-01 16:30:47
4.   thinkblue88
wow, andre has 4 homers of cy in 19ab, with 8rbi.
2008-09-01 16:31:27
5.   thinkblue88
off of cy
2008-09-01 16:31:46
6.   Tripon
You know what would draw more people to Dodger Stadium? If more restaurants around the area stayed open after the game ends.
2008-09-01 16:35:29
7.   Tripon
Hah, Bowa made Hu run wind sprints and wouldn't give him water. That's some rookie hazing.
2008-09-01 16:37:14
8.   D4P
Bowa made Hu run wind sprints and wouldn't give him water

Sounds healthy.

2008-09-01 16:38:52
9.   Bluebleeder87
i'm kind of PO'ed i havent seen Scott Elbert pitch yet.
2008-09-01 16:39:30
10.   trainwreck
Yeah, that is just plain stupid.
2008-09-01 16:41:36
11.   Tripon
Scott Elbert interview on FSN prime right now
2008-09-01 16:41:50
12.   Bluebleeder87
7 8 10

to be honest, my mind can't even process that... that's just weird.

2008-09-01 16:44:56
13.   Bluebleeder87
Elbert is busting out all the cliches, it's pretty cool though.
2008-09-01 16:44:57
14.   CanuckDodger
Isn't the Dodgers' pre-game radio show supposed to be on KABC?
2008-09-01 16:46:23
15.   Tripon
14 Two different pre-game shows. FSN Prime's on cable.
2008-09-01 16:48:56
16.   Bluebleeder87
I didn't realize Maddux was gonna pitch against his old team.
2008-09-01 16:49:31
17.   Tripon
Man, reviewing 1998 must be depressing.
2008-09-01 16:50:51
18.   D4P
TCY's home-road splits are even worse than Maddux's.

Home ERA: 2.18
Road ERA: 7.13

2008-09-01 16:52:09
19.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
12 - It's not weird*; it's Old School.
Bear Bryant did this, and I know his protege Gene Stallings did the same well into the 80s/90s.
In baseball, into the 60s people thought water would make you bloated during games. (Modern-day equation: Heat + Wool Unis - Water = ???)

*-Well, weird to us, but I wasn't one of the Junction Boys.

2008-09-01 16:56:42
20.   Tripon
I'd sue if I was the Junction Boys. They went like 1-8, and they seemed to puke in every scene. Obviously, trying to kill yourself isn't the best way to condition yourself.
2008-09-01 16:58:05
21.   trainwreck
I would ban all stupid hazing rituals. Let them sing song stupid songs or whatever, but that is it.
2008-09-01 16:58:33
22.   trainwreck
There should not be so many "songs" in that sentence.
2008-09-01 16:59:36
23.   Tripon
Who's the better pitcher Henry Rowengartner of Rookie of the Year, or Rick Vaughn (Major League)?
2008-09-01 17:00:08
24.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I hope we can keep our winning ways going today, boys. Let's hope Maddux can put a QS together.
2008-09-01 17:01:41
25.   Tripon
Also, that reminds me, we could see that infamous newsline in Back to the Future II of 'FLORIDA BEATS CHICAGO TO WIN WORLD SERIES' this year.
2008-09-01 17:02:13
26.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Rowengartner developed that eephus as an out pitch. Vaughn's secondary stuff never panned out. Dusty Baker must have secretly been coaching the Cubbies during that movie. Wood, Prior and Rowengartner all had their arms destroyed.
2008-09-01 17:08:58
27.   Tripon
The eephus talk reminded me of an article I read the other day. A Japanese pitcher is trying to develop a new type of pitch called the 'Shake'.

2008-09-01 17:10:14
28.   Tripon
The Padres lineup doesn't inspire recognition.
2008-09-01 17:10:37
29.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm glad it's Mike Patrick doing the UCLA game on ESPN. He's one of the better play by play guys out there.
2008-09-01 17:11:53
30.   Bluebleeder87
i guess a quality start is all we can expect from Maddux these days then?
2008-09-01 17:12:49
31.   Tripon
Satoru Komiyama throws a pitch he invented called the shake. He describes the grip as forkball without applying pressure from the thumb, but to me looks something like a split-finger knuckleball. Komiyama never throws the shake faster than about 55 mph in the video I linked to.

Imagine if a guy like Wakefield threw this pitch.

2008-09-01 17:12:50
32.   trainwreck
Let's go, Bruins!!!!
2008-09-01 17:13:01
33.   Who Is Karim Garcia

Expect? I'm thinking more along the lines of "hope for."

2008-09-01 17:15:07
34.   Tripon
Maddux is an old, old man.
2008-09-01 17:15:32
35.   silverwidow
Maddux is throwing BP up there.

We might see McDonald tonight...

2008-09-01 17:16:37
36.   D4P
Maddux is throwing BP up there

That's all he ever does. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

2008-09-01 17:17:06
37.   Bluebleeder87

same 'ol story with the 'shake' if you don't keep it down it will be crushed.

2008-09-01 17:18:17
38.   Tripon
There goes one run.

I get the feeling that Manny could learn how to throw somebody out at the plate if he didn't do that silly overhand thing he does. Like he just flickers it back to the infield.

2008-09-01 17:18:36
39.   LAT
9. Seems like you'll get the chance tonight.
2008-09-01 17:19:17
40.   Bluebleeder87

i'd love to have seen McDonald up here right now, but i can see why Ned did this PVL leanings & all.

2008-09-01 17:19:33
41.   silverwidow
39 Elbert doesn't pitch on back-to-back days.
2008-09-01 17:19:40
42.   Tripon
Wow, Gonzales was fooled on that pitch.
2008-09-01 17:19:42
43.   trainwreck
Way to hold em, D!
2008-09-01 17:19:55
44.   trainwreck
Uh, oh.
2008-09-01 17:20:21
45.   Tripon
Yeah, we'll see Park, JJJ, Kuo, and McDonald tonight I bet.
2008-09-01 17:20:23
46.   silverwidow
40 McDonald is there, just in the bullpen.
2008-09-01 17:21:34
47.   Tripon
Hah! They finally realize you can't run on Kemp.
2008-09-01 17:21:49
48.   Ken Noe
Towers to DePo: "I love it when a plan comes together."
2008-09-01 17:22:46
49.   trainwreck
This is awesome!
2008-09-01 17:23:09
50.   Tripon
Huh, how did he get out of that with only one run?
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2008-09-01 17:23:15
51.   Bluebleeder87
i'll take that exchange, 1 run only.
2008-09-01 17:23:25
52.   dzzrtRatt
Cheaply enough.
2008-09-01 17:23:43
53.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Quick rundown, anyone?
2008-09-01 17:24:52
54.   Bluebleeder87

that's pretty cool. any of you guys feel McDonald will get a start THIS season?

2008-09-01 17:24:56
55.   trainwreck
That was not awesome.

Oh well, good start still.

2008-09-01 17:26:19
56.   D4P
TCY barely throws harder than Maddux.
2008-09-01 17:26:22
57.   Tripon
54 Only if the Dodgers are assured of a playoff spot, or are out of it.
2008-09-01 17:26:36
58.   Bluebleeder87
Martin is rebelling at the 1st batter position, he only saw 2 pitches.
2008-09-01 17:28:02
59.   Tripon
TCY is disrespecting Manny!
2008-09-01 17:28:25
60.   Bob Hendley
53 - Bennett is a jerk? Three straight singles with a run scoring followed by K, flyout to Kemp and groundout to Loney. Maddux getting two quick strikes and just about everyone, but a bunch of fouls so he had to throw 23 pitches.
2008-09-01 17:28:40
61.   Who Is Karim Garcia
56 With his wingspan and long stride it seems considerably faster when you're up there since it gets on you quicker.
2008-09-01 17:29:26
62.   Bluebleeder87
TCY is a taller drink of water.
2008-09-01 17:30:43
63.   Tripon
2008-09-01 17:31:06
64.   D4P
Hu is a shorter no drink of water for you.
2008-09-01 17:31:28
65.   Bluebleeder87
the curve be TCY looked like it just had a little wrinkle on it, but I guess Manny Ramirez was looking for something else.
2008-09-01 17:32:56
66.   Bluebleeder87
there we go boys. yes!
2008-09-01 17:33:00
67.   Tripon
No DP possibilities there. Good single there Loney.
2008-09-01 17:33:36
68.   scareduck
In play, run. Yay!
2008-09-01 17:34:02
69.   Tripon
Bud Black must wish he was back as the pitching coach of the Angels.
2008-09-01 17:34:50
70.   Bluebleeder87
TCY's curve just wrickle's into the out side corner.
2008-09-01 17:35:01
71.   scareduck
Is Nick Hundley related to Randy or Todd?
2008-09-01 17:35:38
72.   scareduck
69 - yeah, you've gotta wonder. There are people who think this will be his last year running the Friars.
2008-09-01 17:37:17
73.   Tripon
Craft of UCLA just threw an interception that had no powdered blue around the ball.
2008-09-01 17:38:34
74.   Tripon
It seems that both teams are satisfied going 0-0.
2008-09-01 17:38:43
75.   scareduck
71 - Vin answers my question in the negative.
2008-09-01 17:39:11
76.   underdog
72 You have to wonder if any of the Padres' woes can be blamed on Bud Black, though. Not to say his job isn't in danger, it may be, but it seems like blame should lay more at the feet of their front office, yah?


Oooooo, nifty catch, Bison!

2008-09-01 17:40:24
77.   underdog
It's nice to back among y'all following the Dodgers live. Happy Labor Day.

And that's Antonelli's first ML hit.

Maddux isn't fooling many batters to start.

2008-09-01 17:41:32
78.   underdog
And UCLA on ESPN, too! Today is a good day for the TV-watching Angeleno sports fan.
2008-09-01 17:42:30
79.   Tripon
Damage contained. The Padres are acting like the Dodgers circa vs Phillies/Nats.
2008-09-01 17:44:17
80.   Ken Noe
I bought a Tommy Lasorda bobblehead for $4 at a local flea market today. It doesn't look a thing like Tommy though. More like Richard Egan.
2008-09-01 17:44:24
81.   underdog
Boy, Craft needs to, uh, not do that interception-throwing thing as much.
2008-09-01 17:44:40
82.   Tripon
Blake's getting hot again. Casey Blake, not Blake DeWitt.
2008-09-01 17:45:24
83.   Tripon
2008-09-01 17:45:48
84.   Bluebleeder87
i just hope Maddux keeps us in the game.
2008-09-01 17:46:03
85.   trainwreck
I really wish they started Prince. I know they went with Craft because of experience, but who cares if you are not any good.
2008-09-01 17:46:19
86.   trainwreck
2008-09-01 17:46:42
87.   Bluebleeder87
DeWitt is taking some good cuts against TCY.
2008-09-01 17:47:14
88.   Tripon
That was out, that was out... that was not out. :(
2008-09-01 17:47:27
89.   Bluebleeder87
warning track power?
2008-09-01 17:48:03
90.   oshea2002
This is going to be ucla all year, start well b/c of the d line, get blown out in second half when the d tires as the O never moves the ball.
2008-09-01 17:48:24
91.   Bluebleeder87
Casey Blake is kind of like Jason Werth, there tall but they can run.
2008-09-01 17:48:36
92.   whodat807
Bah! Pretty alright at bat for DeWitt anyways.
2008-09-01 17:49:10
93.   Bluebleeder87
we'll take that run as well.
2008-09-01 17:49:19
94.   Tripon
And that is your 2008 Padres.
2008-09-01 17:49:48
95.   dzzrtRatt
Wow. They look as bad as ... well, another team I watched recently.
2008-09-01 17:50:02
96.   thinkblue88
Greg Maddux!!
2008-09-01 17:50:11
97.   Tripon
If Maddux averages an RBI every start, he can give up a run I bet.
2008-09-01 17:50:17
98.   Bluebleeder87
i gotta see the repeat of that swing by Maddux, it looked odd.
2008-09-01 17:50:21
99.   trainwreck
Yeaaaah!! TD, UCLA!!!
2008-09-01 17:50:38
100.   underdog
That was a tough catch but then the Pads two guys couldn't have played that any worse. A nice gift run.

Now two nice gift runs. Maddux!

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2008-09-01 17:51:07
101.   Tripon
Was Greg Maddux trying to take out the 2nd baseman? Towers and DePo don't think that's cool.
2008-09-01 17:51:16
102.   whodat807
I used to root for UCLA in games like this, but the bitter memory of standing in the UCLA student section, wearing a Cal shirt, listening to the fans chanting "OVER-RATED!" as Nate Longshore choked the game away prevents me from doing so. Maybe the worst sports moment I've ever experienced.
2008-09-01 17:51:17
103.   scareduck
This is now officially funny.
2008-09-01 17:51:41
104.   dzzrtRatt
I bet Maddux isn't used to pitching with dirty pants like that. Maybe it'll make him feel tougher.
2008-09-01 17:52:04
105.   Tripon
Do forceout count towards your OBP? Or is it ruled an out?
2008-09-01 17:52:12
106.   whodat807
Man, this Padres team is um, not good.
2008-09-01 17:52:15
107.   Bluebleeder87
i guess Russell Martin is using reverse psychology when he's up there... he is known as a patient hitter.

he's seen a total of 3 pitches in 2 AB's.

2008-09-01 17:52:39
108.   oshea2002
I can just see Brent Musberger jumping up and down on his couch after that punt block.

What happened with Maddux?

2008-09-01 17:52:46
109.   Tripon
UCLA somehow scored a touchdown. It is now 7-0 UCLA.
2008-09-01 17:54:09
110.   Eric Stephen
Do forceout count towards your OBP? Or is it ruled an out?

It's an out.

2008-09-01 17:54:14
111.   Tripon
Andre Ethier must love this game.
2008-09-01 17:54:46
112.   dzzrtRatt
This is what a rebuilding team is supposed to look like. But I wonder if Towers will survive.

Jake Peavy must not be too thrilled that he signed that deal.

2008-09-01 17:55:36
113.   underdog
108 He drove in a run with a single, and then was forced out at 2nd, which he slid into in rather dirty (literally) fashion.
2008-09-01 17:55:53
114.   Bluebleeder87
station to station.
2008-09-01 17:55:53
115.   Tripon
112 Peavy signed a below market deal, he'll get traded eventually for a bevy of prospects. A team like the Red Sox or Yanks would love Peavy.
2008-09-01 17:57:23
116.   Tripon
Dang, Loney swung at a ball.
2008-09-01 17:57:59
117.   Bluebleeder87
NOT CALLING OUT LONEY but i really wonder sometimes what kind (size/weight) he uses.
2008-09-01 17:58:43
118.   Gen3Blue
I thought Vin would get in a "Dueces wild" there.
I hope Maddox can hold on here, we should go around the order enough to cause more trouble tonight.
2008-09-01 18:00:19
119.   Bluebleeder87
i really hope Torre lets Maddux throw 5 inning & then yank 'em out of there.
2008-09-01 18:01:28
120.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like a nice healthy DS crowd today... i'm thinking 45k to 47k tonight at Dodger Stadium.
2008-09-01 18:03:39
121.   Bluebleeder87
i admit, Manny Ramirez has impressed with the leather.
2008-09-01 18:07:33
122.   thinkblue88
wow, the beard is smashing!!
2008-09-01 18:07:40
123.   Tripon
Casey Blake makes it 4-1 on a solo homer.
2008-09-01 18:08:22
124.   whodat807
Casey Blake's so hot his beard might burst in flames.
2008-09-01 18:08:34
125.   Bob Hendley
Blake me, shake me.
2008-09-01 18:08:34
126.   Bluebleeder87
the thing is that SD doesn't even have a good farm system right? or am i misinformed.
2008-09-01 18:08:45
127.   underdog
It hasn't hurt the team's offense the past few days that The Beard has finally woken up again.
2008-09-01 18:09:30
128.   Tripon
Looks like Blake DeWitt has taken over Jeff Kent's penchant of hitting line drives at people gloves. Tough luck there.
2008-09-01 18:09:32
129.   underdog
DeWitt robbed by AGon!
2008-09-01 18:10:02
130.   Eric Stephen
Casey Blake as a Dodger: .282/.333/.519
2008-09-01 18:11:31
131.   Tripon
That's a pretty high slugging percentage for Blake.
2008-09-01 18:11:47
132.   silverwidow
130 Type A free agent?
2008-09-01 18:12:37
133.   Tripon
132 Blake is at Type-B at the moment.
2008-09-01 18:13:04
134.   whodat807
That would be a play the Harlem Globetrotters would have made had they played baseball
2008-09-01 18:13:13
135.   Eric Stephen
He'll be on the edge. I'll have to look into that later in the week. Now that the rosters are expanding, we have a better picture of the pool of players against whom Blake, et al will be ranked.
2008-09-01 18:14:11
136.   Tripon
2008-09-01 18:14:19
137.   Eric Stephen
Some nice plays by a roaming Bison tonight.
2008-09-01 18:17:06
138.   silverwidow
I'll take a sandwich pick and the Indians' 2nd rounder for Blake.
2008-09-01 18:20:00
139.   trainwreck
2008-09-01 18:28:07
140.   trainwreck
Richard Brehaut cannot come soon enough.
2008-09-01 18:28:38
141.   Eric Stephen
11 straight for Maddux.

Man, he thought he had that 0-2 pitch to Giles.

2008-09-01 18:31:18
142.   silverwidow lists McDonald and Stults BOTH with #50.

What's the deal??

2008-09-01 18:32:49
143.   oshea2002
At least Crompton was a 5 star recruit looking this bad. This is some really poor QB play on both sides.
2008-09-01 18:33:33
144.   oshea2002
Craft with another terrible INT.
2008-09-01 18:35:02
145.   trainwreck
Please, put in Prince.
2008-09-01 18:35:28
146.   Eric Stephen
James Loney, career:

April - August: 17 HR in 891 PA
September/October: 13 HR in 153 PA

2008-09-01 18:42:59
147.   oshea2002
4th INT by Craft - Pick 6.
2008-09-01 18:44:02
148.   underdog
Well. Craft's UCLA debut could've gone... better.

Ouch. Ack, pppttthhht.

At halftime, UCLA's defense gets an "A-" and their offense gets an "F-".

2008-09-01 18:45:19
149.   underdog
Most important is to just get this win, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Dodgers score 2-3 more runs and put in some of our beloved newbies.
2008-09-01 18:46:43
150.   trainwreck
Kevin Craft gets an F. Things may be a little different if we had any kind of passing threat.
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2008-09-01 18:49:58
151.   underdog
150 True, clearly, though I'm a little worried about their running game, too. But hard to establish it when your QB is so awful. They should just try to run 90% of the time at this point though if Craft is still in there. Icky.


Okay, never mind, now that it;s closed to 4-2 I'll just hope for a win. Seeing the newbies will come later.

2008-09-01 18:52:00
152.   trainwreck
Yeah, I want to see Dean get some action. Some two back sets. Some screens to the running backs.
2008-09-01 18:55:44
153.   thinkblue88
Wow, Cliff Lee is now 20-2. That's pretty impressive.
2008-09-01 18:57:06
154.   Gen3Blue
Yeah, I just want to see them win too. Where has our offense gone, I thought we had Young on the ropes.
2008-09-01 18:57:57
155.   Bob Hendley
Wade shuts them down. Boy, I missed this guy.
2008-09-01 19:02:59
156.   underdog
I don't really have anything left to say about Mark Sweeney at this point but I sure don't make it a point to stand excitedly by the monitor when he's up to bat. It's a good time for a bathroom break or washing the dishes. Give Delwyn some at bats, Joe!
2008-09-01 19:03:26
157.   Eric Stephen
I had no idea Rich Harden's seasonal ERA was 1.99.
2008-09-01 19:04:00
158.   milkshakeballa
just a lil urked

that at bat sweeney got should have went to a young player


where is forcier?

2008-09-01 19:05:57
159.   Bob Hendley
Kuo alert.
2008-09-01 19:07:39
160.   Bluebleeder87
i'm pleasantly surprised at K/Guo's healthy arm this year.
2008-09-01 19:09:32
161.   Gagne55
Another K for Kuo.
2008-09-01 19:09:35
162.   Johnny Nucleo
153 Wow, that's even better than a certain pitcher who went 19-3 back in the day!

2008-09-01 19:12:07
163.   Eric Stephen
LA Dodger Ks By a Reliever
Mike Marshall '74 - 143
Eric Gagne '03 - 137
Eric Gagne '02 - 114
Eric Gagne '04 - 114
Pedro Martinez '92 - 113
Takashi Saito '06 - 107
Ken Howell '86 - 104
Tom Neidenfuer '85 - 102
Charlie Hough '77 - 100

Kuo has 82 Ks as a reliever this season, and has an outside chance to join this 100-K club.

2008-09-01 19:14:24
164.   Tripon
Martin got a ground single.
2008-09-01 19:15:36
165.   Eric Stephen
Crap, Martin didn't look so good running to 3rd!
2008-09-01 19:15:37
166.   Bluebleeder87

good 'ol Charley Hough made it also??


2008-09-01 19:15:46
167.   MonkeyBlue
Nice executed hit and run.
2008-09-01 19:15:56
168.   underdog
158 Forcier?

{scratches top of head}

No interceptions for Craft on his first drive of 2nd half! He still looks bad, but not as awful!

2008-09-01 19:16:35
169.   Tripon
Martin's hurt?
2008-09-01 19:17:19
170.   underdog
Martin may have pulled something rounding 2nd. Doesn't look serious at all. But I'd still take him out.
2008-09-01 19:17:43
171.   Gagne55
Martin pulled hamsting?
2008-09-01 19:18:22
172.   Eric Stephen
Me too. That's what the expanded rosters are for.
2008-09-01 19:18:38
173.   Gagne55
Martin looked good running home.
2008-09-01 19:18:55
174.   underdog
Russ looked fine coming home to score there!
2008-09-01 19:19:05
175.   Bob Hendley
Joe, use the bench!
2008-09-01 19:19:32
176.   Eric Stephen
Great slide advice by Loney, telling Martin to veer to his right on the slide home.
2008-09-01 19:19:47
177.   Johnny Nucleo
166 Rough, tough, Charlie Hough / All eight innings had his stuff / floating light from Charlie's cuff / breaking late and just enough / to keep the scoreboard bare....

2008-09-01 19:27:06
178.   MollyKnight
Is there any news about when Furcal is coming back?

(I've been out of it for about a week now)

2008-09-01 19:29:28
179.   Gagne55
177 And all this time I thought it was pronounced Hue.
2008-09-01 19:30:06
180.   Tripon
178 He's still in the Dominican, and going to Ariz in about a week. He'll get activated by mid Sept if all goes well.
2008-09-01 19:30:18
181.   Gagne55
178 Gammons said maybe spring training but possibly mid-2009.
2008-09-01 19:31:54
182.   MonkeyBlue
Kuo back mowing them down!
2008-09-01 19:32:02
183.   Eric Stephen
Kuo adds two more Ks to get closer (84) to the 100-K list.
2008-09-01 19:32:25
184.   sporky
Kuo is what every LOOGY ever dreams of being.
2008-09-01 19:32:42
185.   Bluebleeder87

well gee, thanks for news.

2008-09-01 19:33:40
186.   Bob Hendley
Vin says, Kuo facing lefties, 43k, 2 bb.
2008-09-01 19:38:02
187.   Eric Stephen
That's correct, in 96 PA. 45% of LHB facing Kuo have struck out!
2008-09-01 19:38:24
188.   MollyKnight
What's the point of Furcal coming back in two weeks if he's not 100%?
2008-09-01 19:38:31
189.   MonkeyBlue
Horrible bunt.
2008-09-01 19:40:38
190.   Bob Hendley
Must be saving Pee Wee for high-leverage situations.
2008-09-01 19:45:36
191.   Icaros

It's the Dodgers way.

2008-09-01 19:51:05
192.   Eric Stephen
Maddux ties Clemens.
2008-09-01 19:52:44
193.   Ken Noe
2008-09-01 19:53:25
194.   scareduck
Dodgers win!

Out slumming it in Naperville and who appears at the table across from us but Mike Fontenot, the Cubs' starting SS. Kind of a fun moment.

2008-09-01 19:54:57
195.   thinkblue88
hey, beltre hit for the cycle.
2008-09-01 20:03:38
196.   Gagne55
195 Yeah, Scully mentioned the two cycles in the same day.
2008-09-01 20:05:32
197.   Gagne55
but no Griddle update :(
2008-09-01 20:06:48
198.   underdog
(Delayed reaction) W00t!

3 in a row. I won't expect 5 more in a row to make up for the debacle of the last road trip, one step at a time, but I see good things happening this week.

2008-09-01 20:07:11
199.   trainwreck
2008-09-01 20:07:16
200.   Eric Stephen
I believe The Griddle's editorial staff is at the UCLA/Tennessee game.
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2008-09-01 20:07:54
201.   trainwreck
2008-09-01 20:08:09
202.   Eric Stephen
Craft attempting to make his 4 INT first half like Tiger Woods' 40 on the front nine in the first round of the 1997 Masters.
2008-09-01 20:11:14
203.   trainwreck
There is reason for optimism in Westwood!
2008-09-01 20:13:05
204.   Bob Hendley
Let's make this a habit, Bums.
2008-09-01 20:14:01
205.   sporky
Three in a row! (weeps even more)
2008-09-01 20:16:26
206.   Eric Stephen
Way to celebrate the sack as the referees are calling the face mask penalty.
2008-09-01 20:20:15
207.   trainwreck
His passion bucket is overflowing.
2008-09-01 20:27:20
208.   scareduck
205 - weeps?
2008-09-01 20:34:42
209.   whodat807
This UCLA game is very very exciting.
2008-09-01 20:38:30
210.   trainwreck
YES!! YES!!! YES!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
2008-09-01 20:39:02
211.   whodat807
Nicely played, Misters Chow and Neuheisel. Nicely played.
2008-09-01 20:40:05
212.   whodat807
What a play call by Norm Chow. Why hasn't he gotten a head coaching gig yet?
2008-09-01 20:46:14
213.   Indiana Jon
Glad I turned this game on. Is UCLA not as bad as this site seems to think or is Tennessee not that good?
2008-09-01 20:46:29
214.   trainwreck
Ugggh. We never can just win these type of games.
2008-09-01 20:46:37
215.   tjdub
Is there a dumber play than the squib kick?
2008-09-01 20:48:20
216.   underdog
So much for our theory that Craft shouldn't be allowed to throw much in the 2nd half and that they should just run it, eh train?

I have to give the guy props for coming back so strong in the 2nd half. i would've curled up in the fetal position in the men's room after a first half like he had but he stormed back.

Wow, what a game. Their D kinda choked there on that tying Tenn. drive.

2008-09-01 20:49:47
217.   trainwreck
UCLA needs to never play the prevent defense. It always gets us torched.

Yeah, and huge comeback for Craft. Have to give him his props.

2008-09-01 20:55:39
218.   Alex41592
2008-09-01 20:55:39
219.   trainwreck
2008-09-01 20:56:22
220.   Indiana Jon
Nice win.
2008-09-01 20:56:24
221.   evenatriple
Perhaps I was the only DT reader at the game today, as I was surprised to get home, open up the DT comments and discover that no one has yet noted that the Big TV in Left Field showed clips of DT favorite Hee Seop Choi's big June 10, 2005 game against the Twins. The 3 mashes against Brad Radke. Memories.....No chants of HEE SEOP CHOI from the crowd, I am sorry to report.

Highlight of the game -- other than the fact it was my 2 year old's first Dodger game, and that my 5 year old caught a bag of peanuts from Roger and got his picture taken with Mr. Peanut -- was Maddox getting the standing O from fans behind 1st base after he slid hard into 2nd and prevented a double play in the 2nd.

Please forgive my run-on sentences tonight. Those of you with little boys, or who remember your boys when they were little, know how exhausting -- but rewarding -- it can be to take them to the park.

2008-09-01 20:56:36
222.   Eric Stephen
Excellent! Way to go UCLA, and way to go Pac-10!
2008-09-01 20:57:34
223.   Eric Stephen
Did Neuheisel just call Holly Rowe "baby"? :)
2008-09-01 21:05:58
224.   trainwreck
I'm as happy as a little girl!
2008-09-01 21:06:48
225.   LoneStar7
unbelievable win bruins...not a bad day for the dodgers as well...its nice to have a day like this after such a terrible week of dodger baseball before this
2008-09-01 21:10:09
226.   underdog
Amazing game, great win for UCLA. A lot of stuff to build on, and still some things to work on. Great win, though.

Btw, separated at birth?
ESPN's Mike Patrick

and this guy from a Bugs Bunny cartoon:

2008-09-01 21:31:15
227.   Dodgers49
Interesting comment by Torre:

Dodgers roster expansive all year

>> Kent is always a focal point of sorts, even when he's gone. Manager Joe Torre said that the dugout mood was especially loose during Sunday's win (Kent had returned to Los Angeles before Saturday night's game) and, responding to a question, acknowledged that Kent's serious demeanor might intimidate his younger teammates. <<

2008-09-01 21:47:26
228.   scareduck
224 - funny, I don't remember my little sister ever being that happy...
2008-09-01 21:51:58
229.   alex 7
Kent the bully. Torre the $4 million bystander manager.
2008-09-01 22:01:35
230.   Tripon

Gammons has a new piece on the D'Backs and the Dodgers and the NL West. Gammons just praises the D'Backs, and then damn the Dodgers with faint praise. He repeats the rumor(that he started) that the Dodgers want to go with a Varitek or a pitcher-oriented catcher, Not Varitek himself. So I guess he changed his stance slightly. Also, he said Andre Ethier may be the best of the young Dodgers players.

But while the young Dodgers players went through a growing phase, compounded by what the coaching staff felt was too much hype as they got to the majors, they have begun to emerge. Matt Kemp still has his ups and downs, but they are the product of his growing up as a basketball player and being jumped to the majors with barely 1000 professional at-bats. Mattingly cites the constant improvement in the grind of his at-bats, and he's going to end up with 20 homers, 40 doubles and more than 80 RBIs despite being forced into the leadoff hole. James Loney keeps developing as a .300 hitter. Andre Ethier may well be the best of all the younger players, with intensity compared to Paul O'Neill.

2008-09-01 22:07:32
231.   Tripon
227 T.J. Simers has a similar thing.,0,117123.column

The young players immediately gravitated to Ramirez, each one expressing their admiration for such a great hitter.

It bothered Kent, because as the team's resident veteran, he thought every one of them should be looking up to him, clueless when it came to understanding why they did not.

2008-09-01 22:08:55
232.   KG16
230 - what does it take to become a "pitcher-oriented catcher"? And why can't Martin just do the things necessary to become such a catcher?

Or is "pitcher-oriented catcher" code for "all glove, no bat"?

2008-09-01 22:12:21
233.   Tripon
232 I have no idea. The funny thing is that there was a story about Kuroda in the Times around Spring Training that the main reason why he came to the Dodgers because he heard from Saito that Russell Martin was a good catcher. (Kuroda thought that American catchers were lazy compared to Japanese catchers.)
2008-09-01 22:20:28
234.   scareduck
233 - I have lately read that one of the things in the U.S. with catching is that it has become much more of a remote-control job. Perhaps that accounts for the difference.
2008-09-01 22:59:56
235.   bhsportsguy
224 An amazing game to see in person, the highs and the lows.

I thought of you as the kids were coming through in a big way.

I put a more descriptive post up on BRO with my thoughts.

2008-09-01 23:10:30
236.   Xeifrank
Nice win for the Dodgers, too bad the Cardinals choked away their big lead against Arizona today. I wish the Cardinals were closer in the wild-card hunt and had more to play for. Nice win for UCLA too, I also can't stand the squib kickoff. Why give the other team the ball at the 40 yard line when all they need is a field goal to tie and just over 30 seconds to do it in.
vr, Xei
2008-09-01 23:11:49
237.   trainwreck
I was wondering how crazy it must have been for you guys there.
2008-09-01 23:18:45
238.   bhsportsguy
235 I think the best thing is that I expect the team to improve (4 interceptions, c'mon). Now they will still struggle to win more than they lose but I now think they have a shot to go undefeated at home until the USC game so if they can win 2 out of 5 on the road, maybe they can have 8 wins before the USC game.
2008-09-01 23:24:12
239.   trainwreck
My season feels already made with this win. Just a whole new culture around the team. I don't even know what my expectations are for the rest of the year, I just like thinking about this win.

I wish we could play another game right now. Most excited I have been to watch this team in years.

2008-09-01 23:36:08
240.   Strike4
Freshman Daughter Bruin was feeling lucky enough already to have scored a basketball season ticket, and now her first home football game is a near classic. School doesn't start for three weeks, and she thinks tonight's excitement will be tough to top. I told her, with no hype intended, that if we just witnessed an indication of the Neuheisel era, this game may not even stay in her undergraduate Top Ten.
2008-09-01 23:38:05
241.   ryu
Very excited about today's Bruins victory. Regardless of the win-loss record we'll end up with, it looks like we'll be able to put some points on the board: Our third-string quarterback played the whole game and threw four interceptions and we still scored 27 points. (Granted, seven of those was scored by the special teams.)

I'm so done with the "West Coast" offense of the last few years that churned out unimaginative play calling (run-left, run-right, incomplete pass, then punt).

2008-09-01 23:53:20
242.   ucladodger
That football game was awesome. Easily fits in at the #3 Rose Bowl game I've attended behind the Sc win and the Cal victory 3 years ago. I was going to go down to the field myself to get rid of Craft, but man, how great was he in the second half? Moya and Embree were also great, along with the whole defense. I still dont think this team will win a ton of games or contend for the conference championship, but the foundation is there and the players will start to come. The recruits see guys like Rahim Moore, Rosario, Embree, Westgate, Ayers, etc get some serious PT, and there will be lots of opportunities for early PT. Gotta love the tremendous threesome of terrific teachers!
2008-09-02 06:20:18
243.   Johnny Nucleo
By my count:

# of posters stating/implying they are giving up on the Dodgers' season on the Aug. 29 game chat thread (the loss to the D-Backs): about 8.

# of posters saying the same thing over the past three days combined: zero, as far as I can tell.

It's hard to give much credibility to the "giving up on the season" viewpoint when nobody is willing to say so during a winning streak.

2008-09-02 06:27:12
244.   Andrew Shimmin
I officially give up on the season. But, I won't say whether I do so in my capacity as a pretend D'backs fan, or a disaffected Dodgers fan.
2008-09-02 06:38:43
245.   Ken Noe
243 "Just when I thought I was out--they pull me back in!"

227 231 Funny how even Kent's defenders start to criticize him as soon as he's not in the clubhouse. Torre better watch for trash cans outside of his office.

2008-09-02 06:49:18
246.   scareduck
243 - I had given up on this season at least by the trade deadline, which is why I was dead set against the Manny Ramirez and Casey Blake trades. I very much doubt the Dodgers are going anywhere; as I said earlier, the Dodgers have spent only 40-something games above .500 this year. Manny adds something to that, but not enough to reasonably believe that it will equal anything but at most a first-and-done postseason appearance, and possibly not even that. Time is on the Snakes' side, and all they have to do is play just a little better than the Dodgers the rest of the way. Seeing as how the Dodgers are a .500 team, that shouldn't be too hard; but Arizona isn't all that interested in the postseason, either.
2008-09-02 06:58:13
247.   scareduck
246 - I should add that BPro's Postseason Odds calculator has the Dodgers at a 25% chance of a postseason berth, all but a minuscule fraction of that due to their weak chance of winning the division. shows the Dodgers with a slightly higher chance, 29%. Either way, those who have defended the aforesaid trades have done so on the grounds that the Dodgers could win are essentially telling us that their model for the 2008 Dodgers are the 2007 Rockies.
2008-09-02 06:59:17
248.   Bob Hendley
244 - I haven't even given up on the Natz yet, despite Timmermann's numbers-fueled pessimism.
2008-09-02 07:09:21
249.   D4P
IMO, the only ways to really give up on a team's season are to either stop watching/following on the Internet/looking at the scores, or to begin actively and honestly rooting against your team.

If you're still following the team and not rooting against them, you probably haven't really "given up".

2008-09-02 07:10:15
250.   Bob Hendley
247 - I didn't like the trades either, especially the Blake one (and jeez, even the Manny one), but what does that have to do with the Snakes apparent capability of giving away the division crown? And what Manny/Blake add might be just enough to get the Bums over the top. As regards the post-season, granted they are barely a .500 team, but its not as if they have shown that they don't belong on the same field as the Fillies, Brewers and Cubbies.
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2008-09-02 07:11:04
251.   Jon Weisman
247 - The Dodgers were a lot closer to first place when those trades were made than the 2007 Rockies. That's not a valid comparison. You're using the current postseason odds to evaluate the team's chances of winning over a month ago.
2008-09-02 07:23:07
252.   Dodger Dawg
I still don't think they'll win the division, that said I enjoy it when they win and hope they make it a habit.
2008-09-02 07:47:44
253.   ToyCannon
Hey what a way to kick off the football season. Like many have mentioned as soon as they did the squib kick I knew we were headed for overtime, but at the same time we had the hot quarterback so I wasn't about to dig a hole.

I was explaining to my wife how overtime works and how it is the most exciting thing going on in college football and we are going to see a bunch of scoring, when Lincoln shanked the field goal. She dead panned to me "so when is all this scoring going to take place".

2008-09-02 07:48:50
254.   ToyCannon
2008-09-02 08:04:52
255.   Daniel Zappala
The reaction here in Utah to the UCLA game -- good, now UCLA will look like a better win on BYU's BCS resume.
2008-09-02 08:07:29
256.   regfairfield
The Dodgers had around a 33% chance of making the playoffs with two months left to play. The Rockies had a 1.82% chance of making it with 14 games left to play. There's a pretty sizable difference there.
2008-09-02 08:09:22
257.   scareduck
250 - As regards the post-season, granted they are barely a .500 team, but its not as if they have shown that they don't belong on the same field as the Fillies, Brewers and Cubbies.

Only in the same sense the .500-ish Marlins (e.g.) belong in that list, too. The Cubs are on pace for a 100-win season.

251 - First place in the 2008 NL West doesn't strike me as a reasonable goal, though. The goal should be winning it all, and I just don't see how either of these trades get the Dodgers close enough to do that, especially given the cost.

2008-09-02 08:11:32
258.   scareduck
256 - even so, given the disparity between other teams' records and the Dodgers', isn't that kind of beside the point? Whoever makes it to the postseason will be begging to play the "winner" of the NL West.
2008-09-02 08:13:25
259.   regfairfield
258 The playoffs are largely a crapshoot and we're good at two of the three things that make a good playoff team.
2008-09-02 08:18:58
260.   LogikReader
USC fan checking in:

The national media, or some of it, is now blaming the long road trip for Tennessee's loss. Oh please! How does that explain Fresno State dominating Rutgers or USC blowing out Virginia.

My guess is Tennessee isn't as good as we thought (big surprise) and UCLA is probably a lot better than we thought.

UCLA's defense is pretty darn good, as I might have been last year.

2008-09-02 08:19:02
261.   ToyCannon
I would like to see another term coined besides "crapshoot", that term bugs the crap out of me.
2008-09-02 08:19:24
262.   LogikReader

as it might have been last year...

2008-09-02 08:21:49
263.   regfairfield
261 "More susceptible to variance than someone would expect" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
2008-09-02 08:28:21
264.   ToyCannon
It was kind of a kick to see Gammons and other pundits going on about how teams are scared of the big three of Webb/Haren/Johnson only to see all three get shelled during the Labor Day Weekend.
2008-09-02 08:29:04
265.   Bob Hendley
258 - We are better outside the division than the Snakes, particularly if one excludes inter-league play (why exclude that, I don't know?). Within the division the Snakes are 15 up and we are one up. Obviously that will need to improve for us to make the post-season.
2008-09-02 08:29:07
266.   delias man
260 I do not understand how Tenn could have been ranked 18 with no QB. Preseason rankings are killing college ball.
2008-09-02 08:33:00
267.   MollyKnight
I'm sorry, but I can't get behind a team with Neuheisel at the helm. I mean....ick.
2008-09-02 08:33:15
268.   Bob Hendley
Actually, the Snakes are as bad as us outside the league.
2008-09-02 08:33:20
269.   CanuckDodger
Hey, Jon, when are we going to have a NPUT? My Dodger Prospect Rankings are ready to go, but this thread doesn't seem too far from being made obsolete.
2008-09-02 08:35:11
270.   KingKopitar
255 It's the same here in Fresno.
2008-09-02 08:36:07
271.   D4P
I can't get behind a team with Neuheisel at the helm

I will be disappointed in Rick doesn't (already) have a spot on the obelisk.

2008-09-02 08:37:33
272.   Johnny Nucleo
I understand cutting bait, moving on, and waiting until next year. I'm not there yet. What I don't understand is cutting bait, but instead of moving on, pointing out the futility of sticking around to everyone within earshot, and yet still wait around to see what happens. It's self-contradictory.
2008-09-02 08:38:47
273.   Ken Noe
I rooted for UCLA last night, but then I always root against the Fulmer's corrupt Vols. I rooted for USC because they were playing VaTech's arch-rival Virginia. I rooted for Fresno because they were playing old Big East foe Rutgers. I feel very negative as a result.
2008-09-02 08:45:44
274.   Jon Weisman
269 - I don't really know. Not for at least an hour.
2008-09-02 08:57:27
275.   Kevin Lewis
I don't know if I could really ever stop watching the Dodgers. I like baseball too much to not look.
2008-09-02 09:06:01
276.   LogikReader
I still remember "giving up" on the season back in 2006, and I was so angry too, then the Dodgers had a dramatic come from behind victory against the Rockies.

That was nothing compared to 4+1 which was days later! I can never truly give up on the Dodgers.

2008-09-02 09:09:03
277.   LogikReader
I must have been really fickle in 2006! I'm learning, I'm maturing.
2008-09-02 09:13:48
278.   ToyCannon
You can give up, point out the flaws and still look, I don't see anything contradictory in that.

It just isn't as much fun if the bandwagon takes a sudden turn and the lurch leaves you on the ground, gagging on the dust of the wheels as the wagon straightens out, and careens into a future you doubted.

I'd rather hang on hard just in case I won't miss something special.

2008-09-02 09:16:31
279.   underdog
On our family retreat this weekend my dad said he was rooting for the Dodgers to stay in contention not just for my sake but because we have tix for a game in the season's last series vs. the Giants. I said that would be exciting though I'd also be beyond nervous at the prospects the Giants could knock LA out of the playoffs and that I would be there in person to deal with it. But still...

He also grumbled aloud about how the Yankees are essentially out of it already with a better record than the Dodgers. I couldn't say much to placate him there other than "That's baseball" and "Teams are created to compete within their divisions so it's hard to compare" and other gobbledygook.

2008-09-02 09:20:23
280.   ToyCannon
It would have been a good time to point out that the Dodger Rays were beating a team whose salary was not even as much as the Yankee's starting 3rd baseman. That should have made him feel better.
2008-09-02 09:23:42
281.   underdog
280 - Thought about it. Resisted.


Off subject, but here's another athlete who should have considered a name change, the Gamecocks' QB:

Must have had fun growing up...

2008-09-02 09:35:50
282.   cargill06
Is there anyone else, that whenever a ball is hit to LF their heart jumps up in their throat?

He hasn't given me a reason yet to feel this way but I can't help but get nervous anytime a ball is hit out there.

2008-09-02 09:35:52
283.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
When do the new college football rankings (AP, Coaches) come out? I thought they usually come out on Monday.
2008-09-02 09:39:20
284.   silverwidow
269 My Dodger Prospect Rankings are ready to go

Awesome! I really look forward to those every year.

2008-09-02 09:49:00
285.   ibleedbloo
If the Indians and Tigers can get hot, we could make the playoffs and still not have one of the best 15 records in baseball (which means we wouldn't lose our first round pick when signing free agents, right?).

Sounds like the best of both worlds to me.

2008-09-02 09:50:16
286.   Jon Weisman
Canuck, if you want, I'll create a new open chat thread and you can post there. Let me know.
2008-09-02 09:52:03
287.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
I really appreciate those who follow the minors closely and report on the prospects. I always enjoy reading the updates on hot/cold players over at True Blue LA.

Speaking of which, I was pleased to read in the newest entry that Joshua Lindblom "continued to show plus dominance and good command." I don't think I've heard dominance graded like that before. Can a player have average (or below average) dominance?

2008-09-02 09:52:18
288.   silverwidow
Good article on Josh Lindblom:

2008-09-02 10:05:34
289.   Dane Bramage
276 Oddly enough, I have my wife (who couldn't really care any less about baseball) to thank for staying with that 4+1 game. I surrendered the remote to her, telling her do what you will - but she insisted on staying with it, telling me to be more positive, etc. Good thing I did, because if I'd had my way I would have missed history.
2008-09-02 10:07:47
290.   CanuckDodger
286 -- That would be great, Jon. I just didn't want to post the rankings and get LAT'd minutes later.
2008-09-02 10:08:53
291.   old dodger fan
0 Matt Kemp #2 in VORP. It's amazing how many casual fans are so critical of him because he looks awful sometimes waving at a bad pitch.
2008-09-02 10:10:45
292.   KG16
261 - heh. Didn't we already have this conversation?
2008-09-02 10:11:19
293.   silverwidow
Clint Hurdle hates the Dodgers:

2008-09-02 10:13:28
294.   natepurcell

I wonder how Lindblom's velocity is as a starter now.

2008-09-02 10:14:50
295.   silverwidow
The KC Star suggests the Royals will be after Furcal (GM has Braves connections).
2008-09-02 10:16:10
296.   Bob Timmermann
But what about Tony Pena?
2008-09-02 10:21:22
297.   ToyCannon
Per Glossary of Baseball HQ
Dominance rate (k/9), or Opposition Strikeouts per Game

(K Allowed x 9 / IP)

Measures how many strikeouts a pitcher allows per game equivalent. BENCHMARK: The best pitchers will have k/9 levels of 5.6 or higher.
So if a pitcher has dominance > 8 I consider that plus dominance. I was a bit over zealous since it is based on such a small sample size but you have to like what Josh is doing so far.

2008-09-02 10:21:31
298.   Tripon
"I don't see myself taking James out," Torre said, referring to first baseman James Loney, who is hitting over .300 and extended his hitting streak to 12 games Monday with a first-inning RBI single.

Remember that comment of moving Loney out for Nomar so Torre can load up on right handers? Never mind that now.

2008-09-02 10:22:15
299.   LogikReader

That is a surprisingly decent article. I don't really agree that the Dodgers should be "Yankees West." Original Flavor Yankees aren't doing so well with their own strategy are they?

2008-09-02 10:24:48
300.   Jon Weisman
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2008-09-02 10:25:16
301.   Tripon
Dodgers are more like Mets West at the moment. Both franchises are making silly mistakes with the money they have.
2008-09-02 10:25:55
302.   ToyCannon
I guess they don't believe Aviles can keep that lofty batting average going. His XBA clicks in at 301 but with a .27 spread between average and OB that would be below average production even with the 300 BA. Of course that is still miles better then what we got out of the position.

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