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Revisionist History on the Dog Days of August
2008-09-02 22:00
by Jon Weisman

With time and a few victories giving us some distance from the Dodgers' 13-16 August, I wanted to see what the month looked like in the rear-view mirror.

Look at this comparison:

.340 .442 .783 115 Dodgers
.324 .407 .731 131 Opponents

The Dodgers' OPS in August was .052 better than their opponents. The splendid Tampa Bay Rays, by comparison, have out-OPSed its opponents by .056 this season; the Angels are only at .008. At a minimum, the Dodgers should have had a winning record in August - and with a winning record, of course, the team would be in first place right now, unless you believe in the Butterfly Effect.

So what happened? The main thing was that in one-run games, the Dodgers went 2-7. (In fact, the Dodgers have lost nine of their past 11 one-run games since July 28.) Included in that time is a rather remarkable stretch in which the Dodgers played six one-run games in 11 days that were decided in the ninth or 10th innings: the two late losses in San Francisco, the two rallies at home to defeat Philadelphia, a home loss to Milwaukee in the 10th and a home loss to Colorado in the ninth.

Nevertheless, the Dodgers dominated their opponents from August 1-21, with an OPS more than 100 points higher than they allowed. They went 11-8 (.579) in those games. While that's nothing to sneeze at, they could have built a cushion to lessen the impact of the ensuing season-worst eight-game losing streak, in which the Dodgers were not only outcored 54-15, they were out OPSed .823 to .687. It wasn't just a lack of clutch hitting; it was a team-wide collapse, but as endless as it seemed, it did end.

The Dodgers concluded the month with a sharp couple of victories at Arizona against Dan Haren and Brandon Webb. Those two games, surprising as they might have been, were more representative of the team's ability in August than the losing streak was.

This might not mean anything going forward. The Dodgers' could easily avoid the late-inning losses of August, but Manny Ramirez just as easily go into an untimely slump. There's no doubt that the sweeps at Philadelphia and Washington were embarrassing, but if nothing else, I'd like to minimize questions about the Dodgers' competitive ability or character. They had some big losses - too many - but they also had some big wins. Playing a schedule that included playoff contenders Arizona, Philadelphia, St. Louis and Milwaukee, the Dodgers either won, or lost by only one run, 20 of the 29 games. That might not spell pennant winner, but it might give you a reason to keep watching during these final four weeks.

That, and four wins in a row...

Comments (203)
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2008-09-02 22:13:26
1.   bhsportsguy
Keep on winning, your future is in your hands.
2008-09-02 22:14:28
2.   kinbote
Joe Torre is out of his mind. That is all.
2008-09-02 22:15:29
3.   fanerman
Manny is now the team-leader in VORP (among hitters).
2008-09-02 22:15:46
4.   Tripon
Joe Torre let a young pitcher try to see how far he can go in a game. It isn't his worst decision of the year.
2008-09-02 22:18:23
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - I can't even believe it's an issue. It's not even in his top 100 questionable decisions. (the problem there being that he has had 100.)

He sent Kershaw out in the eighth at 84 pitches with a reliever warming up, ready to insert at a moment's notice. This was not a big deal.

2008-09-02 22:18:54
7.   underdog
Here, here, Jon, good perspective check.

Oh, and no offense, but I'm already sick of talking about Kershaw's innings tonight and Torre. The win was great. That is all.

All tonight needs to top it off is a good ol' Ribs and Fashion Show.

2008-09-02 22:20:33
8.   underdog
Speaking of Mad Men, what did you think of them using a Decemberists song at the beginning of this week's episode? Anachronistic, but it fit, I guess.
2008-09-02 22:21:04
9.   kinbote
4 5 Respectfully disagree. With a loaded bullpen and huge lead, there was no reason to push it. Heck, I almost wanted him out after five innings. I'm very cautious with a young arm like Kershaw's.
2008-09-02 22:21:14
10.   Jacob Burch
The Bob Carpenter Scorebook is on its way! I will not have it for tomorrow's game, but successfully used online ones for my first full card last night.

I realize this is tepid nerd news, but it has got me oddly excited.

Since resolving to be happy with the team even as losers (which I still contend is not on par with giving up), they've only won. I can deal with that.

2008-09-02 22:21:22
11.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
4 5

I just think that there were so many circumstances in confluence tonight which made it a really bad choice. You've got:

- A big lead
- A young pitcher already into uncharted waters in terms of innings pitched
- Expanded rosters giving you plenty of pitching options

Why push your luck with wasting Kershaw's bullets in a game like that?

2008-09-02 22:21:59
12.   kinbote
7 Sorry, I'm just now joining the party. I'll unjoin.
2008-09-02 22:24:30
13.   Jacob Burch
9 The point being made is not whether it was a good, neutral or bad move, but rather that its hard to stand akimbo for that long over it. The difference of Kershaw's potential was not to be made on a dozen or so pitches in the eighth.

And I just wanted to use the word akimbo after being in the LAT Xword, so I shall stand down to avoid belaboring it.

Hopefully good Hiro shows up tomorrow for hopefully my last internet-stand-in game scored.

2008-09-02 22:24:47
14.   sporky
Andre Ethier is out of his mind. That is all.
2008-09-02 22:25:37
15.   bhsportsguy
So you wanted to see Scott Proctor, Jason Johnson or Eric Stults in the game instead of Kershaw?
2008-09-02 22:26:51
16.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness

What I wanted was Kershaw out after 6, and McDonald getting a chance to taste the bigs in a low-pressure situation with a big lead against a lousy team.

I could have lived with Johnson, Stults, or Proctor too.

2008-09-02 22:27:07
17.   Jacob Burch
15 I'm secretly and selfishly hoping the Dodgers follow suit with the run scoring thing to allow for an Elbert or (even more so) J-Mac appearance. Would love to see those guys in person before the season is over, and I'm unsure of my ability to go to games over the next home stand.
2008-09-02 22:27:14
18.   Jon Weisman
13 - Yes. It's not that the move was right, it's that it's not worth freaking out over.
2008-09-02 22:27:53
19.   Xeifrank
11. I think you have valid points in bullets one and three, but I am going to go with pitches thrown over innings pitched given only those two things to look at. There are other indicators like velocity and command, but I have no idea how those were looking at the end of his 7th inning of work.
vr, Xei
2008-09-02 22:28:22
20.   Tripon
11 9 Off day on Thursday, showing confidence in Kershaw, award for pitching a good game, trying not to over manage a game like he's been accused of with several games. I wouldn't be against pulling Kershaw but like Jon said, it shouldn't be an issue tonight. Both McDonald and Elbert will be able to pitch tomorrow and with the off day, Friday. Hopefully, they won't both need to, but you never know.

I was more perplexed at letting Biemiel pitch two innings since Torre been using him as a semi-LOOGY for this year, but that worked out too.

2008-09-02 22:28:57
21.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
19 I agree, but it's hard to go with pitches thrown over innings pitched when you're talking about the course of an entire season.
2008-09-02 22:29:30
22.   Jon Weisman
8- I liked it. It's not as if it was being heard in the show - it was just soundtrack.
2008-09-02 22:30:31
23.   bhsportsguy
I think its more likely you will see McDonald (if you see him at all) in a blowout loss as opposed to any game where the outcome is in doubt or the Dodgers have a lead.
2008-09-02 22:31:20
24.   Jacob Burch
23 Elbert it is!
2008-09-02 22:32:45
25.   silverwidow
The 8th inning left a bad taste in my mouth, too: he should've been pulled after his first walk. No need to push it.

Two cheap runs added to his ERA.

2008-09-02 22:32:45
26.   Jon Weisman
21 - Why?
2008-09-02 22:33:17
27.   Xeifrank
21. I'm not sure why that would be the case other than innings pitched is the 'magic' stat the team is using to cap Kershaw's arm useage at. They could just as easily use total pitches thrown to, but it's a stat that isn't easily available in the sunday newspaper stat section.
vr, Xei
2008-09-02 22:33:56
28.   Tripon
Takashi Saito will be transferred to the 60-day disabled list, and he is still eligible to come off beginning Sept. 11. The move was made in order to make room for the Dodgers to purchase the contract of catcher A.J. Ellis from Class AAA Las Vegas today.

2008-09-02 22:37:59
29.   ToyCannon
Good stuff, I never would have realized it without you pointing it out.

I was surprised that Torre let Clayton pitch the 8th but these decisions are not made in a vacuum. They knew his pitch count, I'm sure they talked to Russ about his stuff and to Clayton about how he felt. He's not a baby, he's a major league pitcher and the pitch count and how hard he had worked was negligible.

Sucks to see Pierre get hurt when he was finally showing some value by being an excellent speed asset off the bench.

2008-09-02 22:42:28
30.   Alex41592
Actual conversation between Simers and Torre before the game:

T.J Simers: Are you actually playing Juan Pierre today?

Joe Torre: I am.

T.J Simers: What? What? What possessed you? What moved you? What...what are you thinking?

Joe Torre: Well. Um, I'm just thinking I wanted to get Matt Kemp out of there for a day. He's forcing it a little bit so I just thought I'd put Juan in there.

T.J Simers: He's still better right.

Joe Torre: I understand.

T.J Simers: Anybody else you're thinking about resting the next few days?

Torre: I was hoping you would volunteer.

2008-09-02 22:44:43
31.   kinbote
I apologize for carelessly rehashing a tired point in a Rule 6-ish way. Please ignore my comment and enjoy your evenings (second person plural seems appropriate here).
2008-09-02 22:51:42
32.   madmac
and if Kershaw came out in the 6th and the relievers proceeded to give up runs and make it a tight game and heaven forbid a game we lose, then what...we've been in this situation also. the same people would probably argue that Kershaw was looking great, his pitch count was low. No reason to pull him. He's not a baby. You can't please everyone, so you might as well please yourself.
2008-09-02 22:51:43
33.   ToyCannon
Pie in the sky dreaming but if we can get Saito and Furcal back by Sept 15th it will be huge. A bullpen of Elbert/Biemel/Wade/Kuo/Broxton/Saito would be friggin awesome.

Furcal is what this team is missing from being a real playoff mover and shaker.

2008-09-02 22:52:00
34.   Tripon
I would think innings pitched over a season is a quick and easy way to measure a pitcher's effectiveness, and to convert's a pitcher's pitch count.

You look at a pitcher's pitch count on a given start. You look at his innings count to see if he's been pitching over a period of time. The big thing is that this is Torre's first time letting Kershaw go over the innings limit, and he did it when Kershaw had a low pitching count and was cruising for the most part.

2008-09-02 22:53:12
35.   underdog
22 - True. Also the Decemberists have a 60s psychedelia kind of sound. Plus it was a montage of women putting on their bras -- who cares!
2008-09-02 22:54:08
36.   Tripon

Yankees says they're going to put Joba in the bullpen again to start '09.

2008-09-02 22:59:57
37.   KG16
14 - I concur.
2008-09-02 23:06:00
38.   MollyKnight
I love the Decemberists. Their last album was as moving as anything I'd heard in years. I just wish they'd stop singing songs about things I don't understand.
2008-09-02 23:06:17
39.   Louis in SF
In addition to Saito and Furcal possibly coming back, Penny claims to have no more problems, he still has to throw later this week. If he comes back he will probably come back as a reliver, but Honneycutt indicated he could be put on a specific pitch count. If we put Penny and Maddux as a tag team, Maddux can't pitch more than 6 innings, that would seem to be an effective use of Penny. It would be great to see this entire team finally healthy!
2008-09-02 23:12:17
40.   Jacob Burch
38 That's what a U of Montana education gets you.

Wasn't a big fan of the last album, and I think Castaways gets untouched, but I'm also a tad more...eclectic in my music tastes, so I often squash my feelings on this particular forum.

Still, glad to see that the Decemberists were able to dig themself out of the early "Pirates + Neutral Milk Hotel*" typecast they got early on.

* - Also authors of the most moving piece of art, personally, of my life.

2008-09-02 23:17:01
41.   Alex41592
Developing story:

Cubs may have lost Carlos Zambrano.

2008-09-02 23:25:17
42.   underdog
Oh man.. Jacob mentions Neutral Milk Hotel and gets Underdog Bonus Points! (Points expired yesterday. It's the thought that counts.)

In the Aeroplane Over the Sea is one of my favorite melodramatic indie rock records ever.

2008-09-02 23:28:11
43.   fanerman
Neutral Milk Hotel rocks.
2008-09-02 23:28:21
44.   Tripon
Ethier grounded out in the eighth to fall short of collecting the third cycle in the last two days. He's hitting .314 with eight homers in 102 at-bats since the beginning of August. He has 12 homers in two months, matching Juan Pierre's career total in 5,117 at-bats.

2008-09-02 23:28:22
45.   Tripon
Ethier grounded out in the eighth to fall short of collecting the third cycle in the last two days. He's hitting .314 with eight homers in 102 at-bats since the beginning of August. He has 12 homers in two months, matching Juan Pierre's career total in 5,117 at-bats.

2008-09-02 23:48:18
46.   Alex41592
Question: Did you have any thoughts about taking Kershaw out before the eighth inning?

Torre: We talked about it. And his pitch count was so good. And we sort of wanted him to get past the seventh just for a psychological thing. He was anxious to go back out there. And the fact that the second hitter was left handed we were basically going to leave him out there for the two hitters.


Torre: The big part of it was pitch count and the fact that he really didn't have to labor tonight. You know where there were men on every inning. That stuff wasn't the case."

Question: Is he (Kershaw) basically pitching without restrictions?

Torre: To save one inning at this juncture it doesn't really matter.

Torre was asked about the set 170 innings pitched limit.

Torre: It's still something to look at and if it's something we need to address later on we'll do it but right now we're trying to win to get to where we need to go.

2008-09-02 23:49:43
47.   Jacob Burch
My "Moving Albums in N Years" list! (greater than 2000 with one exception)

Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - The Letting Go
Songs: Ohia - mi sei apparso come un fantasma
Basia Bulat - Oh, My Darling
Vashti Bunyan - Lookaftering
Panda Bear - Young Prayer
Wilco - YHF
The Wrens - Meadowlands
Spiritualized - ladies and gentlemen we are floating in space
Iron & Wine - Creek Drank the Cradle

Various honorable mentions to Explosions in the Sky, Sigur Ros, and Sufjan Stevens songs.

2008-09-03 00:00:12
48.   sporky
I recommend giving Zoë Keating a listen. She was featured on WNYC's Radio Lab's most recent podcast.
2008-09-03 00:04:07
49.   LAT
33. A guy lets one ground ball wind up in his shirt and you are ready to replace him ;-)
2008-09-03 00:52:06
50.   bhsportsguy
If Kent gave scholarships to Cal students aiming to become great librarians

TODAY'S LAST word comes from Sara Baron-Recalde: "I was an athlete at Berkeley playing field hockey. When I was a sophomore my coach called me to her office. She said this may sound a little weird, but you are getting a scholarship from Jeff Kent. Up until that point in time the only scholarship a field hockey player was getting was for books, but from that point on half of my tuition was paid for by Kent. He paid for others as well. I graduated and have my parents and Jeff Kent to thank for not having to repay any student loans. He gave me a break, maybe you all should give him one."

And tick off Kent -- are you crazy?

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2008-09-03 01:12:44
51.   LAT
Motorcycle repair at UT or SMU maybe, but womens field hockey at Berley. No way. It can't be "our" Jeff Kent. How could Simmers not have been on this sooner?
2008-09-03 01:22:13
52.   LAT
And that is why I didn't get into UC Berley.
2008-09-03 04:30:31
53.   Eric Enders
Yeah, The Crane Wife is spectacular. It seems like every lyric Colin Meloy writes is pure gold. And 47 , good call on The Wrens. Meadowlands is spectacular and so is Secaucus. Those guys are one of the great bands of our lifetime and probably less than one percent of the population has even heard of them.
2008-09-03 06:28:21
54.   Bob Hendley
38 - I got one of there albums, thinking that it was something I might like, but didn't grab me right off. I guess I'll go back to it, as I hear that Laura Veirs, who I really love, collaborates with them.
2008-09-03 06:39:12
55.   whodat807
It's fun to imagine Kent at Berkeley. In my imagination he wandered around campus in a full baseball uniform, his mustache rippling in the breeze, frequenting Top Dog and stepping over hippies.

(I just graduated from Cal btw. I wish Kent could've helped me out with my tuition; should have taken up women's field hockey.)

(Also, my favorite Neutral Milk Hotel song is "Candy Coated Dreams". Love that song.)

2008-09-03 06:45:29
56.   CodyS
Angel Berroa since the all-star break:
.256/.322/.356 That is non-terrible for a SS.

And in fact, it's way better than Nomar

Both in ~90 plate appearances. Hu is unlikely to do better than that, so say hello to our best offensive option at shortstop.

2008-09-03 06:55:26
57.   Sam DC
0 - As others have said, this is a great post. My impression of August was sure different than the reality of August. Part of it is streaks I think - if you scatter those 8 losses through the month instead of lumping them together in one foul, wretched heap (a big part of which was left here on my doorstep) it probably wouldn't have felt as bad.

Am I reading Jon's chart correctly that the Dodgers out-OPS'd their opponents by .050 in August yet scored 16 fewer runs? That seems hard to do.

Nice thread overall, excellent late morning coffee read.

2008-09-03 06:55:31
58.   Bob Timmermann
I was at Berkeley around the time Kent was. It was the Reagan Era. Even Berkeley's counterculture had gone underground a bit then.
2008-09-03 06:57:30
59.   Sam DC
(And 30 is hysterical.)
2008-09-03 07:00:53
60.   D4P
Rule 5!
2008-09-03 07:08:54
61.   East Coast Dodger
33 Cannon, why not put Ethier in the 2-hole? Seems a better spot for him than Loney.

And regarding the D's "bad" luck in August; I prefer to look at the good luck side. The Dodgers were really bad the second part of August and still had the fortune to be within relatively easy striking distance of the Snakes. Besides, isn't the hard part of our remaining schedule over, so that the D's have an easier schedule than the Snakes from here out?

2008-09-03 07:29:51
62.   Disabled List
Correct me if I'm wrong (or if this was discussed previously), but since Kershaw was sent down right at the end of August and was not on the 25-man roster on Aug. 31, he's not eligible for any postseason play, right?

I'm still not happy that Torre ran him out there for the 8th inning, but I guess I'm ok with that move if it was for psychological reasons. That's what they pay Joe the big bucks for.

2008-09-03 07:31:13
63.   Andrew Shimmin
He'll be eligible. The rule isn't that you have to be on the roster on August 31st, it's that you have to have been on the roster at some point prior to August 31st. And there are loopholes, even there.
2008-09-03 07:32:21
64.   Bob Timmermann
Kershaw was on the 40-man roster so he could be used to replace a player on the DL for any postseason games.
2008-09-03 07:34:01
65.   Bob Timmermann
And there are loopholes, even there.

Francisco Rodriguez meet Steve Green. Mr. Green meet Mr. Rodriguez.

2008-09-03 07:34:24
66.   Andrew Shimmin
Wait, am I wrong? Looks like. That was predictable.

2008-09-03 07:43:25
67.   Ken Noe
We've had no trash cans this year. At times, Kent even came out and defended his young teammates. I think he tried in his own cantakerous way to be a better teammate and teacher. Sadly for him, it was just too late, I suspect.
2008-09-03 07:45:25
68.   D4P
We've had no trash cans this year

Just a lot of garbage.

2008-09-03 07:46:40
69.   MC Safety
35 Psychadelia? Really? I thought they leaned towards folk. Don't they use accordians and violins?
2008-09-03 07:50:48
70.   Johnny Nucleo
0 That run differential is interesting. I wonder if it was the Dodgers being unlucky with RISP, the Dodgers' opponents being lucky with RISP, or a perfect storm of both?
2008-09-03 08:00:12
71.   oshea2002
Have there been any Furcal updates lately?
2008-09-03 08:40:27
72.   Bumsrap
I like the way DeWitt is now swinging the bat. When he was sent down he seemed to be plagued by the instruction of Easler and now he is swinging with authority and confidence. I have a question. Would DeWitt work with weights differently if he were preparing to play third base than he would if her were preparing to play second base?
2008-09-03 08:43:30
73.   Bumsrap
It seems that no matter how good Mattingly was as a hitter or how good he is as a hitting coach, the younger players seem to also need someone like Manny to fully take advantage of a Mattingly.
2008-09-03 08:52:59
74.   Bumsrap
I think I want to see an outfield of Lambo, Kemp, and Ethier no later than 2010 if not by August 2009. That isn't going to happen if the Dodgers sign Manny. To build a bridge to Lambo, although I dislike a salary over $15 million, I could support a two year, $52 million deal for Manny if Boras helped move Jones to another team.
2008-09-03 08:56:54
75.   Bumsrap
If the Dodgers were to sign Furcal I think it should be as a third baseman and let Hu play short. That means not signing Casey Blake.
2008-09-03 08:57:23
76.   Bumsrap
Five in a row is good enough for me. By.
2008-09-03 09:14:37
77.   MC Safety
(Waves arms in the air)

I'm here! Agree with most everything you said besides resigning Furcal.

It's a nice day for some Syd Barrett, too:

2008-09-03 09:24:57
78.   Tripon

Gene Wojciechowski talks about Joe Torre.

Jerry Crasnick grades several FA signings from 2007 including Kuroda, and Jones.

2008-09-03 09:29:35
79.   Bumsrap
The picture of the glove at the bottom ad looks just like my glove. Maybe I should look to see if I still have it. My son has loaned it to friends a few times.
2008-09-03 09:36:31
80.   fracule
"Just seeing the ball, staying inside and trying to go the other way," Ethier said. "I'm just waiting for my pitch. It's nice having Manny hitting behind you and getting to see some stuff that they're throwing with the caliber and type of player that's hitting behind you."

Seems Andre Gigante sees things a little bit differently than
Hippie Jeff Kent.

2008-09-03 09:41:06
81.   Eric Stephen
Hippie Jeff Kent

The idea of Kent hitchhiking across country as a longhair in a VW Bus delights me.

2008-09-03 09:45:54
82.   Ken Noe
81 He'd be one of those dangerous hippies though, the kind who would race across country in a stolen car and crash through road blocks while Cleavon Little talked about him on the radio.
2008-09-03 09:48:43
83.   Bob Timmermann
I wonder if the Dodger players in Midland (Great Lakes), Michigan get dropped off in nearby Saginaw.

Then it takes them four days to hitchhike from there.

2008-09-03 09:54:21
84.   underdog
Just a gentle request but if y'all are quoting from an actual article/interview, if you could provide a link to said article or at least cite the source, I'd be much obliged. That way I know you're not just being clever and making it up. :-)

82 Wait, no, wasn't Jeff Kent in "Two Lane Blacktop"?

2008-09-03 10:03:40
85.   old dodger fan
I didn't think it was serious but below is from an old Jeff Kent bio on the web at:

In 1998, Jeff and Dana launched Women Driven, a scholarship program for female athletes at his alma mater, the University of California

2008-09-03 10:09:33
86.   fracule
84 With my apologies.

2008-09-03 10:17:12
87.   Bob Hendley
75 - Who are you thinking at 2nd base, the Solution? Now Rafa does have a cannon, but Hu/Rafa have mostly been discussed in the past in terms of combinations at ss/2nd. Hopefully, he'll get a chance to show something in a couple of weeks. What's plan B for you?
2008-09-03 10:34:04
88.   underdog
86 Thanks! :-)

87 Why does Hu/Rafa sound like a kibbutz in Israel?

2008-09-03 10:49:23
89.   CanuckDodger
John Perrotto at Baseball Prospectus is claiming that Kim Ng is emerging as the favorite to be the next GM of the Mariners.
2008-09-03 10:56:54
90.   Jon Weisman
89 - I'm sure he's just speculating like we would. I don't think he's a reporter.
2008-09-03 11:11:40
91.   sajjushah
Why did we call up AJ Ellis, and not Lucas May?
2008-09-03 11:12:20
92.   Eric Stephen
Because pitchers don't get angry throwing to A.J. Ellis?
2008-09-03 11:16:19
93.   regfairfield
The .293 on base probably had something to do with it too.
2008-09-03 11:27:24
94.   Tripon
Lucas May, harmer of double AA pitchers.
2008-09-03 11:34:34
95.   Sam DC
Nice chat with Jim Abbott online at the Post. He is working with the Department of Labor on programs to help disabled folks have productive work lives.

He says George Brett was the toughest guy for him to get out.

And that Michigan will win 8 games this year.

2008-09-03 11:35:57
96.   kinbote
Lucas May is not only a AA catcher, he's also a complete sentence!
2008-09-03 11:36:03
97.   CanuckDodger
90 -- I think Perrotto must at least be somebody who talks to "insiders," since he and Will Carroll both "covererd" the trade deadline for BP, talking to sources. Perrotto's statement sure did not make it sound like something more than speculation, but I suppose somebody could be feeding him wrong info.
2008-09-03 11:40:31
98.   Bob Timmermann
Michigan's basketball team will win more than 8 games.

The football team, um... no.

2008-09-03 11:41:29
99.   Jon Weisman
97 - I just don't think it gives us much new information. Based on scuttlebutt, we already knew that Ng would be a top contender for the job, didn't we?
2008-09-03 11:45:16
100.   Tripon

Keith Law has a list of the top 60 prospects for the draft in 2009. Stephen Strasburg is number one.

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2008-09-03 11:45:55
101.   Kevin Lewis
AZ Snakepit is looking pretty down, expecting us to leave the Diamondbacks in the dust this weekend. Ouch
2008-09-03 11:48:01
102.   Jon Weisman

2008-09-03 11:50:04
103.   gpellamjr
101 Whenever I'm feeling down about the Dodgers' playoff probabilities, I imagine how I would feel if the Dodgers were in Arizona's position. I would feel very worried right now.
2008-09-03 11:50:10
104.   Eric Stephen
It is just good blogging etiquette for the Dodgers to oblige them then.
2008-09-03 11:51:05
105.   scareduck
101 - there's little cause for whoever wins the NL West to have much optimism for whatever happens next.
2008-09-03 11:51:32
106.   Eric Stephen
If "So Weird" ever wanted to come back, there's at least one episode storyline!
2008-09-03 11:53:54
107.   Eric Stephen
Eric: Hey Rob, here's a million dollars.

Rob: Oh great, now I have to pay taxes on it.

2008-09-03 11:54:21
108.   Jon Weisman
106 - Yes!
2008-09-03 11:58:44
109.   GoBears
102 What is the rule on that sort of play? I see that the runner sort of crossed HP (w/o touching it) but then he ended up pretty far away (outside the circle that surrounds the batters boxes). How far can he wander away from the plate before heading back toward it?

If there were no one else on base, the catcher could just sit down on HP and wait for the runner to try to get back, but if there were other runners (and less than 2 outs), doing so would probably cost some bases, so it seems like the runner ought to be obliged to head directly for the plate.

2008-09-03 11:59:13
110.   Andrew Shimmin
CNN Headline news on in the background (though it's one of those local programming cut-ins), there's a story on the Dodgers taking some kids bowling. Kershaw bowls right-handed.
2008-09-03 12:00:09
111.   Eric Stephen
I forgot to mention I heard on ESPN Radio this morning that a Mets pitcher named Jonathon Niese made his MLB debut last night. The sports update guy had the audacity to call Niese "the pride of Defiance, Ohio."

Them's fightin' words.

#58 says hello!

(Niese was born on my Mom's 50th birthday though, as well as Game 7 of the last Mets WS win)

2008-09-03 12:00:21
112.   Penarol1916
98. And here I was assuming that he was talking about Michigan's baseball team winning 8 games this year.
2008-09-03 12:05:32
113.   Bob Timmermann
The runner will be called out on that play if he goes back to the dugout.

The part about leaving the dirt circle applies to players who abandoned their effort to reach on a dropped third strike.

2008-09-03 12:05:41
114.   cargill06
Paolo (Tempe, AZ): Jim, what's your take on Lambo's numbers in AA? Pretty impressive no?

Jim Callis: (2:37 PM ET ) Yes. Lambo might be the best unhyped young hitter in the minors.

2008-09-03 12:07:44
115.   cargill06
Josh (Los Angeles, CA): Since Kershaw has exhausted his prospect status, is Lambo the Dodgers' #1 prospect at this point?

Jim Callis: Yes.

2008-09-03 12:08:34
116.   LogikReader
there's little cause for whoever wins the NL West to have much optimism for whatever happens next.

Basically yes, but, I shall add this caveat:

Would you put your entire trust into the Brewers bullpen? The Mets Bullpen? The DBACKs' bullpen? The Cubs bullpen, even?

All four of those teams are close to a playoff spot, but I'd be hard pressed to think any of the above can hold leads with their middle relief.

2008-09-03 12:08:37
117.   cargill06
Man, a lot of Dodger questions.

I have to disagree with this one...

Matt (LA, CA): Scott Elbert or Homer Bailey?

Jim Callis: Bailey.

2008-09-03 12:09:08
118.   Eric Stephen
Billingsley and Niese are the only two major leaguers to come out of Defiance Senior High School.
2008-09-03 12:09:36
119.   scareduck
107 - Aren't you sick of first-and-done postseason appearances? I know I am, and that's why the Manny trade so annoyed me. First, it's not at all clear he's going to be enough to get the Dodgers past the Snakes, and second, even if the team does, they're still not as good as their likely postseason opposition.

And then there's all those players they had to unload to get Manny/Blake. The million dollars analogy is flawed; it's more like, here's a million dollars, but only if you give up your firstborn. And you still have to pay taxes on it.

2008-09-03 12:16:59
120.   Eric Stephen
The trades already happened; we can't change the past. Are you actually saying you don't care if the Dodgers make the playoffs, because they aren't going to advance anyway?

I want the Dodgers to succeed long term too -- the Pete Carroll "win forever" mantra comes to mind -- but what's the point of being a fan if you can't enjoy the pleasures of a playoff experience?

2008-09-03 12:20:34
121.   LogikReader
Right now, the worst obstacle stopping the Dodgers is the road. It's crazy how badly they play on the road, but also surprising how well they play at home.
2008-09-03 12:21:54
122.   KG16
105 - I'd say Webb/Haren/Johnson and Lowe/Billingsly/Maddux going in a best of 5 series would be a case for optimism. I'd also suspect that Kemp/Ethier/Rameriz and Upton/Dunn/Drew would also be a case for optimism in a best of 5 or best of 7 series
2008-09-03 12:23:01
123.   trainwreck
We don't have the type of budget Pete Carroll does though.

Couldn't resist.

2008-09-03 12:23:18
124.   fracule
119 From the team's standpoint, they have probably brought in a lot of new fans, and maybe even life long fans with the Manny acquisition. I'm not saying that that mentality is acceptable to everyone, but boy are the Dodgers fun to watch, and when they get to the post-season, I'm going to enjoy every minute of it.
2008-09-03 12:24:33
125.   fracule
122 Best of five can't happen, but I'd take our team on paper any day of the week.
2008-09-03 12:24:50
126.   Eric Stephen
Zing! I deserved that for my soft AFC West stances over the last week. :)
2008-09-03 12:26:45
127.   caseybarker

I think that kind of creativity is beyond Ned Colletti's pay grade.

2008-09-03 12:26:54
128.   Alex41592
A potential NLDS with the Dodgers and Cubs makes me sort of giddy. Sure we lost 5 of 7 this season to them but we also only scored 1 run in 4 of those games. It sure would be a lot of fun and electric in both stadiums.
2008-09-03 12:28:55
129.   scareduck
120 - Are you actually saying you don't care if the Dodgers make the playoffs, because they aren't going to advance anyway?

Something like that. For me, the difference is between Lucy pulling the ball away before Charlie Brown can kick it, and holding it down for a change -- but punching him square in the nose instead.

2008-09-03 12:29:11
130.   fracule
128 Oooh. That sounds awesome. I have hated the Cubs ever since the Bartman incident. I can't even think about liking a team who's fans behave that way. Went to a game at Wrigley for my bachelor party, and boy were my suspicions about Cubs fans confirmed.
2008-09-03 12:30:28
131.   Eric Stephen
Why can't a best of 5 happen? That is the format of the first round.
2008-09-03 12:30:46
132.   ToyCannon
Ding Ding Ding

Maybe covering the Angels and Dodgers has split Rob into two negatives.

2008-09-03 12:31:35
133.   fracule
131 Dodgers and Diamondback cannot face each other in the first round.
2008-09-03 12:31:54
134.   cargill06
131 You can't play your own divison in the 1st round.

129 Wow.

2008-09-03 12:33:09
135.   fanerman
129 Because there's no way the Dodgers can possibly win a playoff series. It's a logical impossibility.
2008-09-03 12:33:36
136.   Eric Stephen
Ah, I misunderstood your point. My bad.
2008-09-03 12:34:00
137.   Alex41592
I think it is safe to say there is no chance the D'Backs and Dodgers meet in the playoffs.
2008-09-03 12:35:02
138.   Jacob Burch
122 Was meant more as "Whoever wins the NL West has got a good shot in the first round," not a "Against each other" scenario.
2008-09-03 12:35:52
139.   oshea2002
123 - easy now....

All the Cub fans out here in Illinois have gotten really into the NL West race - pulling for the Dodgers like crazy b/c they don't want Webb/Haren and don't think we'd win 1 game even if it was a best of 15 game series.

2008-09-03 12:37:06
140.   KG16
125 - i meant in a best of five against any of the three other playoff teams in the NL (Cubs, Brewers, and whoever survives the NL East)
2008-09-03 12:37:54
141.   fracule
136 NP. It looks like the Dodgers will Probably face the Cubs, and the Mets will take on the Brewers. I'm torn between wanting them to face the Mets and the Cubs though. I think both would be pretty interesting. The Dodgers playing the team that replaced them in New York 50 years ago, and any series against the Cubs would be exciting.
2008-09-03 12:38:39
142.   oshea2002
130 - Cubs fans suck. It's one of biggest myths in sports that they are somehow these superknowledgeable, long suffering, great fans. I've gone to most of the Dodger games at Wrigley the past couple years, they're rude and obnoxious. I've been to Dodger games at most NL stadiums, and they're up there in my book.
2008-09-03 12:39:09
143.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers-Brewers NLCS will be sweet. All the Dodgers will have to do is win the 4 games not started by CC Sabathia. :)

Oh yeah, and lets not have every ball hit past the infield caught by a Brewer somehow.

2008-09-03 12:39:22
144.   Alex41592
139 - This is true. They want NO part of the Diamondbacks. Webb/Haren/Johnson scares them a lot. Remember, Johnson is 13-0 lifetime vs. the Cubs and beat them this season.
2008-09-03 12:39:51
145.   fracule
140 Oh, sorry. I totally agree. For all it's faults the NL West has very good pitching, and now with July 31st pick-ups, also very respectable offenses.
2008-09-03 12:41:01
146.   Bob Hendley
102 - Boy, we complained about Bennett, but at least he tried to throw the ball in the right direction.
2008-09-03 12:41:53
147.   fracule
142 Thanks for confirming my long standing opinion.
2008-09-03 12:42:23
148.   ToyCannon
Cubs will lose somehow, might as well be to us. Even if Zambrano comes back from his dead arm how effective will he be? Dempster is still Dempster, October is a good time to turn into a pumpkin. Harden is so fragile they are afraid to pitch him.
2008-09-03 12:43:23
149.   Bob Timmermann
There are Cubs fans and there are people who go to Wrigley Field.

I think they are disjoint sets.

2008-09-03 12:44:00
150.   fracule
SF 2 Col 1
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2008-09-03 12:44:49
151.   Eric Stephen
85% of the world works. 50% of those people post on blogs while at work.
2008-09-03 12:45:36
152.   fracule
149 What would that Venn diagram look like?
2008-09-03 12:46:22
153.   Eric Stephen
2 on, 1 out for Roy Hobbs Ludwick in the top of the 1st in AZ.
2008-09-03 12:47:13
154.   fracule
SF 3 Col 1
2008-09-03 12:47:53
155.   trainwreck
Just a reminder to those in Friends of DT Fantasy Football League:

Draft is tonight at 7:15.

2008-09-03 12:48:30
156.   fracule
SF 5 Col 1 =)
2008-09-03 12:49:44
157.   fracule
SF 6 Col 1
2008-09-03 12:50:15
158.   Zak
MLB Gameday on iPhone is amazing with the new update. If only they could incorporate Gameday Audio or TV into it next year, I'd pay a $100 for it.
2008-09-03 12:50:39
159.   Eric Stephen
Former Baseball Prospectus coverboy Josh Phelps now up, starting in LF for StL today.
2008-09-03 12:51:20
160.   whodat807
155 Is it a live draft?
2008-09-03 12:52:41
161.   Alex41592
LaRussa put a right handed heavy lineup against Davis when lefties kill him.
2008-09-03 12:53:12
162.   trainwreck
2008-09-03 12:54:26
163.   whodat807
162 I'm all a tingle!
2008-09-03 12:54:40
164.   fracule
158 A thousand 'thank-you's for alerting me to that!
2008-09-03 12:56:59
165.   ToyCannon
Andy Marte says hi. I do have kind memories of Josh Phelps as he won me some nice coin because of his debut season when he qualified at catcher.
2008-09-03 12:57:52
166.   Jacob Burch
158 Don't bank on those latter two (AT&T has enough problems with overloading 3G servers as it is and has been making sure iTunes doesn't put up any heavy-server-load apps--sort of surprised stuff like Pangea remains), but if AT&T can get its act together, radio would be an intriguing option.

But yes, the new update is incredible--even if its what it should have been from the start. Glad to see they seem to have a pretty good ObjC development team over there.

2008-09-03 12:59:06
167.   fracule
166 They could enable over wifi. It's a start at least.
2008-09-03 13:00:09
168.   fracule
166 Radio is very doable. AOL radio works over 3G and Edge. Supposedly.
2008-09-03 13:01:15
169.   Reddog
I'm starting to really wonder who is the best overall prospect, Ethier or Kemp. I guess Kemp's upside is probably greater, but Ethier is really starting to come into his own now. If he had been a starter all season, he might have 25 HRs by now.
2008-09-03 13:02:35
170.   Alex41592
No score Top 2 in Arizona. Dunn missed a HR by a few feet.
2008-09-03 13:05:53
171.   Jacob Burch
166 Like I said, I was sort of surprised both of that and a few others survive (They've taken down a few similar apps). Baseball could be streamed at low kbps, so I suppose its not that outside of the question. Would be pretty interesting, and I would pay a bit for it.
2008-09-03 13:07:34
172.   regfairfield
169 Or his numbers could have been worse if he had to play against lefties more. Plus his career September numbers are terrible so maybe it's helping him.
2008-09-03 13:07:46
173.   whodat807
158 If MLBtv came to the Iphone, I might have to give up and get one of those pretty, shiny toys.
2008-09-03 13:08:24
174.   silverwidow
169 Kemp is better. The reason Ethier is hitting with more power is because he's 26 (it starts to develop around this time).
2008-09-03 13:14:28
175.   Penarol1916
147. Where have you been the last couple of years? I've been saying that the people at Wrigley are terrible fans for years on this site. Oh how I loathe all of those Lincoln Park trixies who are constantly asking me who is playing in the game. That's why I'm very sad to see that Rob has turned into a Cubs fan.
2008-09-03 13:15:26
176.   Ken Noe
Sorry if this was posted earlier (didn't see it): Heyman reports that McCourt is "fixated" with Ned's failed free agents (especially Jones) yet will keep Ned next year, win or lose. Seems illogical.

2008-09-03 13:17:35
177.   Alex41592
No score Top 3 in AZ.
2008-09-03 13:19:00
178.   MC Safety
I can't wait for 26 year old Matt Kemp.
2008-09-03 13:21:07
179.   Alex41592
Troy Glaus 2 run HR 2-0 Cardinals Top 3!
2008-09-03 13:21:29
180.   bhsportsguy
Troy Glaus and Cesar Izturis make it 2-0 Cards.
2008-09-03 13:21:48
181.   cargill06
Boom goes the dynomite in Arizona

2-0 STL

2008-09-03 13:22:28
182.   MC Safety
155 Oh yeah! Thanks.
2008-09-03 13:24:34
183.   trainwreck
Maybe Ned won't feel like talking to people at a team function and it will change everything.
2008-09-03 13:26:20
184.   old dodger fan
I have only been to Wrigley once (this year) so I'm no authority but I found the fans to be great.

Don't get me started on the Philly fans though.

2008-09-03 13:31:05
185.   still bevens
158 I love the app upgrade but I insist this should have been in it at the beginning. better late than never I guess.
2008-09-03 13:32:53
186.   Jon Weisman
Manny named NL Player of the Month.
2008-09-03 13:33:34
187.   Alex41592
186 - Awesome.
2008-09-03 13:35:34
188.   Gagne55
Lohse has actually had a really good season for the Cardinals.
2008-09-03 13:37:55
189.   Gagne55
Also the Rockies are getting pounded.
2008-09-03 13:40:12
190.   Xeifrank
169. Technically, niether are prospects at this time.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 13:40:52
191.   Xeifrank
Can't believe the Red Sox had so much trouble today with the Cormier/Sarfate one two punch at Fenway today.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 13:41:21
192.   Zak
Yeah, the iPhone app should have had these features from the start, but for $5, I'll take it now. The Gameday Audio should work considering they have AOL Radio and Pandora working on the iPhone. I would think that by 2009, they will work it in and charge $30 for the season.
2008-09-03 13:43:16
193.   Zak
186 you know, you hit .415 for a month and suddenly people think you are a good player. :) Good for Manny. I wonder how the Dodgers would have done in August without Manny. Man, I'd like to have a couple of those 9th inning losses back.
2008-09-03 13:44:47
194.   ToyCannon
Is Dustin Pedroia throwing his hat into the AL MVP race?

On fire, 124 OPS+ for a defensive whiz 2nd baseman.

2008-09-03 13:45:20
195.   cargill06
Sweet, after Arizona it appears we are going to miss Peavy again in SD :) :) :)
2008-09-03 13:46:55
196.   Bumsrap
87 - Just dropped in again. My backup plan you asked about includes Abreu, DeWitt, and Martin at third if Furcal doesn't land there; Hu or Abreu at short, DeJesus, DeWitt, Hu for second. Whatever money is left in the budget after the Dodgers sign Sabathia would go to Furcal or Manny, depending on how much was left and how long of a contract it would take to get either of them.
2008-09-03 13:48:06
197.   CodyS
169 Ethier has had a streaky year. Right now he looks very good. But he looked very good in April too before having a bad May and a terrible June. So it may seem like he has "figured it out" in the last couple months, but on the other hand it may just be fluctuation typical of a young player.

Overall, he has finally pushed me to say that he has progressed this year. I thought he was stuck at the level he was at (which was alright) but he has definitely shown more power this year than in previous years, while keeping the rest of his game similar.

2008-09-03 13:49:46
198.   Zak
195 It makes sense if we have to face Webb and Haren twice each in a stretch of nine games, not to mention Johnson on Sunday. But yeah, it is sweet. I am also hoping that the Giants shut down Lincecum before the last ten days of the season. You would think they would, right? I would think if the Dodgers are out of it, Kershaw would not pitch in the last ten days of the season. Is the comparison valid?
2008-09-03 13:50:08
199.   Eric Stephen
I just added the MLB Gameday application at lunch, and it is amazing. I watched video of Glaus's HR a few minutes after it happened!
2008-09-03 13:52:08
200.   Jon Weisman
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2008-09-03 13:53:08
201.   Lexinthedena
197 Ethier has never shown this kind of power, so I would say yes, he has figured some things out. He is showing much more than most DTers ever thought he was capable of.
2008-09-03 13:53:21
202.   Zak
WRT Ethier, if I remember, he was always a very good hitter in the minors with limited power. There were questions whether the power would be there when he got to the majors. But with young guys, it is not abnormal to see a 10 HR jump between ages 25 and 27, I would think. No reason why he cannot be a 25-30 HR a year guy for the next ten-twelve years.
2008-09-03 14:01:54
203.   Jimmyv11
Thank you Jon! While all of these losses mad me lose some confidence in the Blue Crew, its nice to have statisical information to reference to rationalize that they are not "bad" but were unlucky and did not capitialize on their opportunities. It seems like every game they have a bases loaded situation especially with Manny and he free passes, that stat would be interesting to see as well. Lets hope September balls bounce their way and we charge toward the Pennant!!!
2008-09-03 14:04:17
204.   scareduck
175 - I married into it, or it married into me, however you want to look at it. But go ahead, enjoy your silly prejudices derived from small sample sizes. Mine are about White Sox fans, in particular the sore winners who infested my blog for about a year starting with the 2005 ALCS. I'm sure there are plenty of decent Chisox fans out there, but I haven't met any so far.

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