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Pod People
2008-09-03 13:46
by Jon Weisman

The Kamenetzky brothers (of Blue Notes) had me as a podguest on Purple, Gold and Blue at lunchtime today. Clayton Kershaw talk kicked off the conversation.

Comments (256)
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2008-09-03 13:54:32
1.   Lexinthedena
I was LAT'd....I'll just reiterate that Ethier is showing himself to be a much better player than the DT 3.5ers ever gave him credit for...
2008-09-03 13:56:00
2.   bhsportsguy
1st and 3rd nobody out, bases loaded 2-0 count to Short Chris Young and yet the Cards escape though Lohse is throwing a lot of pitches.
2008-09-03 13:56:55
3.   Alex41592
I like Troy Glaus a lot today. With the bases loaded he saves two runs at least on a hard ground ball near the third base line and makes the force out at second. Still 2-0 STL Top 5.

It was first and third with nobody out. Lohse struck out Dunn and Reynolds, hit Tracy to load the bases before Glaus' big play.

2008-09-03 13:57:17
4.   Lexinthedena
I could see Ned signing Lohse instead of C.C.....would be a bad move IMO...
2008-09-03 13:57:18
5.   Gagne55
Cardinals have a .75 WE. :)
2008-09-03 13:58:40
6.   Tripon
From the last thread:

WRT Ethier, if I remember, he was always a very good hitter in the minors with limited power. There were questions whether the power would be there when he got to the majors. But with young guys, it is not abnormal to see a 10 HR jump between ages 25 and 27, I would think. No reason why he cannot be a 25-30 HR a year guy for the next ten-twelve years.

If Ethier is able to do that, with similar defense he's producing now, then he's a $10-12 million player. Not to say he couldn't produce 25-30 Homers a year, but he'd suddenly turn from a 'solid' player to a star.

2008-09-03 13:58:44
7.   Eric Stephen
I thought the title of this post would refer to tonight's opponent.
2008-09-03 14:00:23
8.   regfairfield
Updated OPD numbers for the year. Manny is the 18th most valuable player in the NL, Loney is no longer the worst first baseman, and Jayson Werth is more valuable than anyone on our team.

2008-09-03 14:05:30
9.   caseybarker
Does anyone else think that Simers' article in the Times reads like satire?

2008-09-03 14:05:51
10.   Lexinthedena
6 He's already a star....with the laydeeez!
2008-09-03 14:08:58
11.   bhsportsguy
That is why not everyone can play outfield Mr. LaRussa.

But again the Cards get out of it.

2008-09-03 14:09:11
12.   Alex41592
Lohse survives horrible defense by Felipe Lopez in left field.

2-0 Cardinals Top 6.

2008-09-03 14:11:35
13.   Tripon
10 Ethier better not be. His wife will kill him and then collect child support on his dead corpse.
2008-09-03 14:12:41
14.   Xeifrank
Fangraphs WE: STL 78.00%
Simulator WE: STL 70.78%
at the end of 5 innings...............

Simulator takes into account which players are playing, where we are in the batting order, lineups, pitcher fatigue, bullpens etc... FanGraphs doesn't.
vr, Xei

2008-09-03 14:15:28
15.   trainwreck
Clearly defense does not matter much for Left Field.
2008-09-03 14:15:52
16.   Alex41592
Kyle Lohse RBI double 3-0 Cardinals Top 6!
2008-09-03 14:18:37
17.   GoBears
Jon, do you know how far along your segment starts? I'd just as soon not listen to wrestling talk.


2008-09-03 14:19:56
18.   Xeifrank
Could be looking at a half game lead (counting chickens) for Arizona, by the time they come to town (before they hatch).
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 14:20:08
19.   Tripon
Nick (Cleveland): This Santana guy we got for Blake, is he going to be a star or was he playing in a hitter's park?

SportsNation Keith Law: Chance to be a star, at least an above-average regular behind the plate.

2008-09-03 14:21:25
20.   Xeifrank
17. Atleast it's not movie, tv or LAUSD talk.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 14:26:16
21.   Eric Stephen
The Purple, Gold & Blue podcast would really be something if they had professional audio equipment.
2008-09-03 14:26:54
22.   Eric Stephen
It's within a few minutes tops of the opening.
2008-09-03 14:27:20
23.   Gagne55
14 Is that the same simulator that pegs the Dodgers WE at 67.14% right now?
2008-09-03 14:29:56
24.   Xeifrank
23. Yes it is. 67.41% for Kuroda tonight. Vegas has it at 68.25% and AccuScore at 71%.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 14:31:38
25.   Bob Timmermann
RIP Tommy Bolt.

In his memory, I'm going to take my seldom-used golf clubs and throw them around my apartment in anger.

2008-09-03 14:33:17
26.   bhsportsguy
25 "In a world of golf tantrums"

Could not resist.

2008-09-03 14:33:33
27.   Xeifrank
Lohse gets out of another two out jam. The DBacks are going to see the woeful Cardinal bullpen pretty soon.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 14:38:57
28.   Jon Weisman
Farewell, Bill Melendez.,0,148485.story
2008-09-03 14:41:43
29.   Bob Timmermann
December 9, 1965:
"A Charlie Brown Christmas" makes its network TV debut
December 10, 1965:
I'm born!

I think I'm going to go and get a small saggy Christmas tree this year and see if I can make it look nice.

2008-09-03 14:44:31
30.   Tripon
Why does Heyman keeps on writing about the Dodgers? He's a New York guy.
2008-09-03 14:44:42
31.   bhsportsguy
28 A Charlie Brown Christmas remains one of those shows that even 40+ years later, I enjoy, with the scratchy soundtrack and all.

It's probably a combination of the jazz influenced soundtrack, the simple messages and Snoopy's impression of a vulture.

2008-09-03 14:46:13
32.   Eric Stephen
The "voice" of Snoopy? That's like being the voice of Teller.
2008-09-03 14:47:13
33.   Bob Timmermann
You forget the dance moves that everybody does during the ill-fated rehearsal for the Christmas pageant.
2008-09-03 14:47:15
34.   Jon Weisman
29 - And Charles Schulz and I are both November 26 babies.
2008-09-03 14:47:40
35.   Bob Timmermann
I can do the voice of adults from Peanuts cartoons.
2008-09-03 14:47:52
36.   bhsportsguy
The curious cynic in me wonders if the demise of bullpens has anything to do with PEDs and uppers being screened for.
2008-09-03 14:48:35
37.   bhsportsguy
33 Those unnamd stringy haired twins.
2008-09-03 14:49:04
38.   Jon Weisman

"For winning the award, Sharp will present Ramirez with a 52" AQUOS® high-definition television. He will also receive a specially-designed trophy."

2008-09-03 14:49:28
39.   trainwreck
The cynic in mean does not think those tests stopped anything.
2008-09-03 14:49:40
40.   trainwreck
2008-09-03 14:50:07
41.   underdog
Not just the voice of Snoopy but the animator of those wonderful cartoons. Charlie Brown Xmas is still a classic but I think the Thanksgiving one may be my favorite of them all.

Anyway, RIP.

2008-09-03 14:51:03
42.   LogikReader
2 on with no out in the Az 7th. Good grief, St Louis!
2008-09-03 14:52:08
43.   Eric Stephen
That's a lot better than the watches given out for being a guest on the post-game show!

Cue D4P wondering why millionaire athletes get anything for free.

2008-09-03 14:52:40
44.   underdog
Pig-Pen: In spite of my outward appearance, I shall try to run a neat inn.
2008-09-03 14:53:25
45.   underdog
42 And there's apparently an injury delay in that game.

1 out with 2 on. Cards bullpen makes me nervous.

2008-09-03 14:53:50
46.   bhsportsguy
44 And Charlie Brown bringing ancient civilizations too.
2008-09-03 14:54:10
47.   Tripon
36 I would think it's more about organizational depth, both the Angels and Dodgers seem to put more emphasis on pitching over hitters with their higher draft picks.
2008-09-03 14:54:43
48.   LogikReader

Gosh what sad news. I'm glad he lived a long life, and his work will be enjoyed for years to come. I'm so thankful to Bill for his many contributions to animated TV specials.

RIP Bill Melendez

2008-09-03 14:56:14
49.   cargill06
I don't like this McClellan guy, first on Monday now today.
2008-09-03 14:57:20
50.   Alex41592
Izturis makes a great play to get the force at second base but a run scores.

3-1 Cardinals Bot 7 runners at 1st and 3rd and 2 outs for Dunn.

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2008-09-03 14:58:06
51.   Eric Stephen
C. Jackson grounded into fielder's choice, A. Ojeda scored, M. Montero to third, D. Eckstein out at second

I'm not watching the game; was this a near double play? Did Jackson just beat the throw to first?

2008-09-03 14:58:06
52.   underdog
3-1 Cards now after a force out scores a run. 2 on with 2 out and Villone replaces McClellan.
2008-09-03 14:59:32
53.   Alex41592
Wild pitch 3-2 STL.
2008-09-03 15:00:01
54.   BlueCrew Bruin
29 I think I'm going to go and get a small saggy Christmas tree this year and see if I can make it look nice.

It shouldn't be too hard. All you need to do is get a group of friends to stand around the tree and wave their arms around wildly.

2008-09-03 15:01:11
55.   68elcamino427
in a world without steroids and speed

with apologies.

sorry could not resist.

I have been anticipating this phenomenon since the new cba went into effect. Now the second year and no exceptions.

Pitchers were dosing to accelerate healing and speed up recovery time.

Now the consequences are exposed in the real world ...

2008-09-03 15:01:59
56.   underdog
I'm trying to find that episode from Kids in the Hall where they do a fine impersonation of the Charlie Brown Xmas dance moves. I think it's from season 1. can't find it on YouTube yet.
2008-09-03 15:05:23
57.   underdog
Good 11 pitch at bat from Dunn, finally draws a walk.
2008-09-03 15:05:58
58.   Tripon
55 in a world without steroids and speed and late night games
2008-09-03 15:06:01
59.   Alex41592
Dunn walks against Villone. 1st and 2nd 2 outs and Reynolds is up.
2008-09-03 15:06:44
60.   Zak
Sick at-bat by Dunn. 11 pitch walk. Villone got squeezed though.
2008-09-03 15:08:49
61.   Alex41592
The game lies on Jason Motte in his M.L debut vs. Reynolds.
2008-09-03 15:08:55
62.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know who Jason Motte is, but he looks really happy in his Gameday photo.
2008-09-03 15:09:46
63.   Alex41592
Motte is throwing 97 MPH.
2008-09-03 15:10:13
64.   Alex41592
YES! STRUCK HIM OUT! Reynolds' 4th K on the day.

3-2 STL Top 8.

2008-09-03 15:10:37
65.   bhsportsguy
Wow, Reynolds had no shot. 3-2 Cards going to the 8th.
2008-09-03 15:11:41
66.   arborial
I was a big fan of the tribute that SNL did after Schulz died where they visited the characters as adults.
2008-09-03 15:16:18
67.   Mush
Bob - you and I share a birthday! I think it's UN Human Rights Day too.

I just finished Michaelis's Schulz biography and it was amazing. I highly recommend to all Peanuts fans. I only wish David had spent a little more time on the 1980s and 90s strips.

2008-09-03 15:17:12
68.   Tripon
Eventually, the D'Backs are going to have to teach their hitters better hand eye coordination. Chris Young and Mark Reynolds don't seem to get better with more playing time.
2008-09-03 15:18:29
69.   trainwreck
Ask and you shall receive:

2008-09-03 15:18:59
70.   LogikReader
It's gonna take a lot for the Cardinals to keep a 3-2 lead through the 8th inning, let alone the ninth!
2008-09-03 15:20:22
71.   Jon Weisman
67 - Did you? That was the weakest and least interesting era to me.
2008-09-03 15:21:12
72.   cargill06
70 Chris Perez my friend.
2008-09-03 15:21:29
73.   Tripon
John Kruk, underated player?

2008-09-03 15:25:28
74.   cargill06
Our friend Jason Motte has 14.9 K/9IP this year in 66.2 AAA innings.
2008-09-03 15:28:03
75.   cargill06
74 He's a converted catcher that posted a .191/.220/.233 line in about 650 minor leauge PA's... yikes
2008-09-03 15:29:32
76.   68elcamino427
You make a great point. Having done some extensive work related travieling in the past it is amazing that the players can maintain the schedule and pace that they must live with and perform at a high level for six months plus.

March, April, May, June, July, August, now September. Imagine that you're Manny or Kent and the pitcher is throwing heat directed ot the "point of you shoulder" as Vin so aptly describes it.
Wow - guess you would want to stay super alert to help deal with that - no?

There was a reason that Wille Mays was discovered with the "greeenies" when he was with the Mets (like he was the only one).

2008-09-03 15:30:43
77.   schoffle
Is St Louis really having a guy make his major league debut pitching the 8th inning in a one game? Have they thrown in the towel already this year?
2008-09-03 15:31:19
78.   still bevens
This dude is like Brazoban when he was our closer. He only throws heat.
2008-09-03 15:32:44
79.   ToyCannon
How is that any different then us using Elbert in our pennant race? Did you see his K/9 ration? When what you have sucks you try something else.
2008-09-03 15:33:01
80.   trainwreck
Billy Koch?

This is how Billy Koch's brain works:

Hmm he almost hit that last fastball for a home run. I know what he won't be expecting...

A fastball!!

2008-09-03 15:34:58
81.   KG16
doesn't like we're going to have to worry about our Bison going to play basketball for the Oklahoma City Bison, as they will instead be called the Oklahoma City Thunder.

I'm really going to miss teams that are things which end in "s".

2008-09-03 15:35:11
82.   bhsportsguy
Hey can this guy get 7 outs. Really, if he throws the fastball, the D-Backs can't hit him.
2008-09-03 15:35:57
83.   cargill06
82 Chris Perez is now their closer, he's doing a decent job too. He'll pitch the 9th.
2008-09-03 15:36:11
84.   Eric Stephen
Among the best hitters of his era:

2008-09-03 15:36:21
85.   still bevens
Well, to his credit: 25 pitches, 21 strikes, 4 balls. Who is Stl's 'closer'? Franklin or the rookie?
2008-09-03 15:37:46
86.   trainwreck
This may be their logo:


2008-09-03 15:38:00
87.   Eric Stephen
Really, if he throws the fastball, the D-Backs can't hit him

Wasn't that always the book on Reggie Sanders? High heat = K.

2008-09-03 15:38:53
88.   KG16
73 - I'm not terribly impressed by his numbers. He rarely played a full season, never hit more than 21 home runs, and his RBI total isn't all that impressive. Plus he struck out more than he walked. Not saying that I wouldn't have like to have had him on my team at in the early 90s, but I see nothing to suggest he's Hall of Fame bound.
2008-09-03 15:39:18
89.   schoffle

I dont think that a tie game in the 6th inning (when you need to get some innings out of the bullpen) is the same as a 1 run lead in the 8th inning. If their bullpen doesn't have two worthwhile arms they should have called him up months ago.

2008-09-03 15:43:04
90.   Jon Weisman
Tonight's lineups:


Martin, C
Ethier, RF
Ramirez, LF
Blake, 3B
Loney, 1B
Kemp, CF
DeWitt, 2B
Berroa, SS
Kuroda, P

Giles, RF
Rodriguez, SS
Kouzmanoff, 2B
A Gonzalez, 1B
Headley, LF
E Gonzalez, 2B
Venable, CF
Bard, C
LeBlanc, P

2008-09-03 15:43:28
91.   arborial
84 number 23 on the list is Kirby Puckett, that brings back some memories. Haven't heard his name for a while.
2008-09-03 15:43:57
92.   Howard Fox
I am sure it's been mentioned, but really nice article on Vin in SI this week.
2008-09-03 15:44:43
93.   still bevens
This gameday photo of Perez looks like he crawled out of a dumpster.
2008-09-03 15:48:02
94.   Alex41592
Leadoff triple for Drew and it'll take a high wire act for Perez to escape this one.
2008-09-03 15:48:30
95.   Bob Hendley
93 - Maybe he wants to crawl back into it right about now.
2008-09-03 15:48:37
96.   Eric Enders
Stephen Drew is really annoying.
2008-09-03 15:48:55
97.   Alex41592
Shallow fly to right by Eckstein, no advance. One away for Jackson.
2008-09-03 15:49:18
98.   Tripon
Stephen Drew is a real life troll.
2008-09-03 15:49:25
99.   Bob Timmermann
If Eckstein had driven in the tying run, Daron Sutton would have gone insane.
2008-09-03 15:49:45
100.   Alex41592
The infield is in.
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2008-09-03 15:53:03
101.   Alex41592
Base hit 3-3.
2008-09-03 15:53:21
102.   BlueCrew Bruin
Lousy Cards.
2008-09-03 15:53:23
103.   Bob Hendley
2008-09-03 15:53:35
104.   UVaDodger
2008-09-03 15:53:58
105.   underdog
Oh shut up, Sutton! Sheesh.

On previous pitch that Jackson popped up foul:

Sutton (funereal voice):"Popped it up. In foul territory. Will it go back to the seats? You sure hope so.
And it's foul."

2008-09-03 15:54:21
106.   cargill06
2008-09-03 15:54:34
107.   Zak
This is setting up for a Dunn moment.

Darn it Ron Villone and your wild pitch.

2008-09-03 15:54:36
108.   DaDoughboy
great 7 pitch AB by Conor..
2008-09-03 15:54:43
109.   Alex41592
Dunn doubles, Jackson scores 4-3 D'Backs win.
2008-09-03 15:55:09
110.   BlueCrew Bruin
2008-09-03 15:55:17
111.   fracule
I hate the Cardinals!!!!!
2008-09-03 15:55:19
112.   underdog
{Click} Glad I'd muted my computer before the DBacks won there. I think Sutton's insanity-inanity would've made my browser crash.
2008-09-03 15:55:34
113.   Alex41592
This guarantees that two out of three this weekend will not put us in first place.
2008-09-03 15:55:36
114.   Bilshaw
Dbacks come back win!. It's Huge
2008-09-03 15:55:38
115.   bhsportsguy
On the one hand, the D-Backs never seem to capitalize on these comeback wins. But it is annoying when a bullpen loses a game for you.
2008-09-03 15:55:48
116.   Zak
Great, another choke job by the STL bullpen, on video within 3-5 minutes on my iPhone.
2008-09-03 15:56:12
117.   ucladodger

His OPS+ is pretty darn good. You also do realize that very, very few players walk more than they strike out. He basically had a 1:1 BB:K ratio, and he walked a ton. A career OBP of .397 is really really impressive.

2008-09-03 15:56:38
118.   cargill06
way to keep him out of arizona ned
2008-09-03 15:57:01
119.   Zak
113 I'll take the 2 of 3. It'll just suck to lose 2 of 3. If we had a 1/2 game deficit, losing 2 of 3 would not have been awful.
2008-09-03 15:57:35
120.   Bilshaw
Cardinals Bullpen = Disaster Movie
2008-09-03 15:57:35
121.   Bilshaw
Cardinals Bullpen = Disaster Movie
2008-09-03 15:57:43
122.   DaDoughboy
Done and Dunn..
2008-09-03 15:57:45
123.   bhsportsguy
118 Ummm, Arizona is under .500 with Dunn too.

Should the Dodgers have claimed David Eckstein? He was as big a factor today as Dunn was.

2008-09-03 15:57:56
124.   Alex41592
116 - Daron's call is laughably horrible. So beware.
2008-09-03 15:58:58
125.   Zak
125 I have no doubt that you are correct.
2008-09-03 15:59:18
126.   cargill06
I doubt Eckstein could ever put up a line of .279/.488/.492 before todays game.
2008-09-03 15:59:23
127.   Zak
lol, i meant 124
2008-09-03 15:59:33
128.   Tripon
123 I rather just play DeWitt at 2nd.
2008-09-03 15:59:50
129.   ucladodger

Imagine how much worse they would be without Dunn. Just like us and Manny. The record with him isn't great, but it would be worse without him.

2008-09-03 16:00:23
130.   Zak
stephen drew, more than anybody, is responsible for the cards not sweeping the dbacks in this series, including today.
2008-09-03 16:00:25
131.   Alex41592
"Adam, BELTS it down the line. RUN CONOR RUN! Into the corner it goes. They're sending Conor Jackson, to the plate, the relay, THE DIAMONBACKS WIN! Adam 'gets it' Dunn." - Daron Sutton
2008-09-03 16:02:30
132.   Tripon
Kinda funny that we're relying on Berroa to be our starting SS.
2008-09-03 16:02:46
133.   bhsportsguy
129 Worse than 7-8, including 4-8 in their last 12? I mean that is 3 starts apiece for Webb, Haren and Johnson.
2008-09-03 16:03:18
134.   gibsonhobbs88
Of course the bottom of the 9th was
started by the younger Drew brother.
The Drew brothers are fast becoming
Public enemy No. 1 to the Blue! I
really am beginning to have an
unhealthy distaste for the sight of
either one of them.

Way to go Perez! Of course, he looks
unhittable pitching against the
Dodgers but gets lit up like a
holiday Christmas tree against our
rivals. So is it Bills v. Haren Friday
Lowe v. Webb Saturday and Big Unit v.
Maddux on Sunday!

2008-09-03 16:04:23
135.   Zak
131 Wow, that is embarrassing. I can't imagine the Dodgers without Vin. Monday and Reuss drive me up the wall as it is... and I actually like Monday.
2008-09-03 16:06:00
136.   Tripon
2008-09-03 16:06:47
137.   Mush
71 - Jon, I agree that the later strips were his weakest, but I thought Michaelis rushed through those two decades a bit too much. In a book that was 600-some pages, I don't think he gave more than 20 or 30 pages to those two decades. I also wouldn't have minded seeing a little bit more discussion of Schulz's final year and the accompanying strips.

This is all nitpicking. I loved the book and the interspersing of strips and prose was fantastic. The way his romance with his second wife was played out through the strip was incredible and Michaelis's research is impressive.

2008-09-03 16:06:48
138.   Zak
Well, we better win tonight. If we do, all is still well.

The worse part of STL losing is that they are almost out of the WC race, which might mean that Pujols might be done for the year soon. And we need STL to beat AZ the last week of the season.

2008-09-03 16:06:54
139.   ucladodger

Dunn has been ridiculous for them, as the stats in 126 show. How can a guy with a near .500 OBP not help a team? Not blocking him is a terrible move and it might be the difference in the division.

2008-09-03 16:08:27
140.   Tripon
139 Because he's a hack in Right Field?
2008-09-03 16:09:02
141.   ToyCannon
Those are great matchups. Our ace against the guy they traded the future for. Their Cy Young ground ball machine against our ground ball machine. Multiple Cy Youngs, two of the best pitchers in history, both in their 40's going against each other. Will that many Cy Youngs ever face each other again? The ultimate dominant pitcher of his generation against the ultimate craftman. For 5 innings it should be interesting after that it will be a battle of the bullpens.
2008-09-03 16:09:35
142.   fanerman
131 Adam 'gets it' Dunn.... oy vey! Chris Berman would be proud =(.
2008-09-03 16:13:58
143.   bhsportsguy
Lowe is pitching on Friday (to avoid pitching in Colorado), Bills is pitching on Saturday.
2008-09-03 16:15:28
144.   Alex41592
Lowe/Haren, Biilingsley/Webb, and Maddux/Johnson.

A sweep will put us in first place. Anything else will not.

2008-09-03 16:15:49
145.   Tripon
Why is Jody Guert not playing?
2008-09-03 16:15:55
146.   Bob Timmermann
I will be sad if the Yankees beat the Rays tonight and Carl Pavano beats Edwin Jackson. It would offend my sensibilities.
2008-09-03 16:16:23
147.   ToyCannon
So much for my great matchups but at least I'll get to see Bills on Saturday.
2008-09-03 16:17:12
148.   ucladodger

And that come nowhere near negating his offensive value. He has a .500 OBP for Pete's sake!

2008-09-03 16:17:21
149.   overkill94
Man, that Cardinals bullpen is brutal these days. Earlier in the season it looked like a plus when Franklin, Springer, McClellan, and Perez were lights out, but all of them have regressed at least a little bit with Perez actually the best option to close.
2008-09-03 16:18:06
150.   Bob Timmermann
Gerut has a finger injury.
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2008-09-03 16:18:30
151.   Alex41592
90 - Tonight's starting pitcher for the Padres Wade LeBlanc is a lefty. Interesting that Torre chose Casey Blake over Kemp for the cleanup spot.
2008-09-03 16:19:12
152.   overkill94
145 Sore middle finger, will probably miss the rest of this series
2008-09-03 16:22:48
153.   JoeyP
140--How many misplays each game would Dunn have to make to cancel out his batting line? He has 1 error in 180 innings with them.
2008-09-03 16:23:08
154.   Tripon
148 Who's still a hack in right field(although it looks like the D'backs are solely trying to transition him to 1st base.). As for Dunn's .500 OBP, while that's impressive, the current D'Back lineup isn't constructed in a way to fully take advantage of it. He scored 12 runs with the D'backs, and 3 of them are on homers. That the other D'Backs only brought Dunn home 9 times is a bit disappointing.
2008-09-03 16:24:14
155.   regfairfield
Dunn has an 8 VORP and a -8 on defense. That pretty much cancels each other out.
2008-09-03 16:26:29
156.   gibsonhobbs88
We need to win tonight and hope for a
two out of 3 this weekend and leave
Sunday just a 1/2 game out. Hoping for a
sweep maybe a little too out there
with the rotation they are throwing out there and I can't believe they are
going to have 3 bad outings in a row.
We will have to do better on the
road than we did last time. We have SD,
Col and Pittsburg for a 10 game roadie
again. We will need a 6-4 or 7-3 realistically to set us up for our last homestand.
2008-09-03 16:26:42
157.   GMac In The 909
150 Was a table saw involved?
2008-09-03 16:28:27
158.   Tripon
153 Errors are deceiving. Dunn's range at RF isn't great, and he'll let a ball fall for a hit in front of him instead of try to field in mid air and risk an error. Its the Manny defense defense theory, but he's doing it in right where its easier to get double and triples over a well hit ball then in left field.
2008-09-03 16:29:18
159.   Kevin Lewis

I was expecting a poem there

2008-09-03 16:29:39
160.   Kevin Lewis
I called my brother in St Louis to file a complaint.
2008-09-03 16:31:31
161.   Tripon
Jeff Kent wouldn't write a sissy poem. He'd write a manly epic that features Gilgamesh coming down from the hills of Babylon to hit a home run off of Brandon Webb.
2008-09-03 16:32:27
162.   bhsportsguy
160 Do you want to go to the game on Saturday, if so email me at
2008-09-03 16:33:04
163.   Jon Weisman
156/161 - GibsonHobbs88 is writing in free verse.
2008-09-03 16:34:15
164.   DaDoughboy

Booo. Funny, but boooo.

2008-09-03 16:34:38
165.   Kevin Lewis
Hey all,

Are there any great Restaurants near Union Station? Is there anything decent on Olvera St.?

2008-09-03 16:36:26
166.   Xeifrank
165. People here will tell you Felipe's for french dip sandwiches.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 16:36:49
167.   Kevin Lewis
Yea, we have a vegetarian, so that probably won't be a winner
2008-09-03 16:36:54
168.   Tangled Up in Blue
155 What is Manny at defensively?

Dunn hasn't been as good as Manny but he has helped the DBacks. A .500 OBP would help any team.

2008-09-03 16:37:30
169.   bhsportsguy
166 Or Phillipes, the Chinese restaurant across the street is also pretty good.
2008-09-03 16:37:32
170.   regfairfield
168 Amazingly +1 as a Dodger.
2008-09-03 16:38:48
171.   Xeifrank
155. Are those numbers from his short stint with the DBacks? Because I have him at 3 WAR overall this year and that's with a one win deduction for fielding. Thoughts?
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 16:39:30
172.   regfairfield
171 Yeah, just from the D'Backs. He's been catastrophically bad in right field.
2008-09-03 16:40:40
173.   Tangled Up in Blue
170 Thanks. That is surprising.
2008-09-03 16:41:35
174.   ucladodger
Man, Edwin Jackson just got lucked to death. Blooper falls in front of Hinske because he has absolutely no range and then saws off Pudge who manages to get a double. 2 runs scored on some great pitching.
2008-09-03 16:41:45
175.   Lexinthedena
165 Kevin...there is a restaurant in the actual station that I have heard good things about.....There is a place on Olvera st. that has delicious taquitos...a delicious peppery green salsa that goes along with it....Your veggie friend should be used to non delicious food by now....can't go wrong with felipe' they have non-meat stuff that pretty good...
2008-09-03 16:43:25
176.   regfairfield
Dial's numbers have him at -1.7 runs on defense and 6.4 runs on offense.
2008-09-03 16:45:08
177.   Lexinthedena
How do the cards have a crap bullpen with Dave Duncan as pitching coach? The guy works miracles...
2008-09-03 16:45:32
178.   unlazy4sports
What time is Phillipes open? I'm going to the game on Saturday and have yet to try Phillipes even though I keep hearing about it.
2008-09-03 16:47:34
179.   Tripon
178 Monterrey Park and Alhambra is only ten minutes away. o/~
2008-09-03 16:48:13
180.   Kevin Lewis
Lex, is there a menu I can look at for Felipe's?

It sounds like La Luz del Dia has a good counter stand with taquitos and carnitas

2008-09-03 16:48:29
181.   Kevin Lewis
Oh, and Lex. Do good tonight
2008-09-03 16:49:00
182.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know when Phillipe's closes at night, but Saturday is a day game and it will definitely be open.

And very crowded before the baseball game.

As in extremely crowded.

2008-09-03 16:49:47
183.   Xeifrank
178. 0600 - 2200 hrs. It's very crowded.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 16:50:01
184.   Kevin Lewis
good places in China Town? Where is Marty when I need him?
2008-09-03 16:50:47
185.   unlazy4sports
179 Yea, I know.. that's where I usually go before or after Dodger games. Looking for something different and I love french dip.
2008-09-03 16:51:33
186.   unlazy4sports
183 thanks
2008-09-03 16:52:21
187.   Lexinthedena
Kevin....Felipe's has a website with a menu....Chinatown has lot's of great food options...many of which are Vietnamese....

Like Pho 87. or 79, or whatever it's called....good food there...

2008-09-03 16:53:07
188.   unlazy4sports
182 How long's the wait to get your food during this extremely crowded condition?
2008-09-03 16:53:11
189.   Lexinthedena
Phillipe's! Phillipe's! not Felipe's...stupid Tony LaRussa....
2008-09-03 16:53:43
190.   Tripon
185 Try Echo Park.

2008-09-03 16:53:53
191.   Xeifrank
184. There is a big dim sum place at the far end of Chinatown, with a three story parking garage located next to it.
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 16:54:05
192.   Lexinthedena
It's crowded, very crowded, but they keep the line moving pretty well....
2008-09-03 16:55:06
193.   Lexinthedena
191 Empress mom used to take me there...
2008-09-03 16:55:46
194.   Tripon
If you want Dim Sum, you might as well go to Alhambra.
2008-09-03 16:57:21
195.   Xeifrank
194. Is the chicken feet more tender there?
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 16:57:46
196.   trainwreck
You guys are making me jealous.
2008-09-03 16:58:58
197.   schoffle

if you want "good food" and your friend eats seafood then I would recomend The water grill, however it is about a mile way.

2008-09-03 16:59:28
198.   Tripon
195 Yeah. I also think the ShuMai is a bit better.
2008-09-03 17:01:42
199.   DaDoughboy

Could be worse, could be haiku:

Joe should awaken
Blake chosen to mop floors clean
Lament for me Kemp

2008-09-03 17:02:01
200.   bhsportsguy
195 It's pretty good in the San Gabriel Valley area.
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2008-09-03 17:02:02
201.   Xeifrank
198. Later this month, I will be in China, so I am saving my tastes until then. You will have to win the division w/o me. :)
vr, Xei
2008-09-03 17:05:56
202.   overkill94
Anybody happen to remember what the promo code is to get cheap tickets for Saturday's game? I knew I should've written it down when I saw it yesterday; hopefully they flash it again tonight.
2008-09-03 17:09:12
203.   BlueCrew Bruin
201 It's a good thing I re-read the word "tastes" or else I'd be asking some very strange questions right about now.
2008-09-03 17:11:00
204.   68elcamino427
I think someone said "peanuts" works.
Aonther word was mentioned too.
2008-09-03 17:13:22
205.   Tripon
Chuck Todd decries ESPN's east coast bias.
2008-09-03 17:16:07
206.   Bob Timmermann
I would never associate The Water Grill with pregame dining at Dodger Stadium. That's an extremely expensive restaurant.
2008-09-03 17:19:36
207.   Tripon

FJM got trolled by Simers. How can anyone take Simers writing seriously? Everything is tongue in cheek unless he's writing about the Children Hospital he champions.

2008-09-03 17:19:42
208.   overkill94
204 Peanuts worked! Thanks elcamino man.
2008-09-03 17:21:22
209.   unlazy4sports
2008-09-03 17:23:32
210.   schoffle

Bob, looking at his initial question, he asked for any great restaurants, and while I often eat at Phillipes before dodger games I would hardly categorize it as being great. Also I have met friends at the water grill before going to a Dodger games on a couple of occasions, the oyster bar is fantastic and not too dear.

2008-09-03 17:24:26
211.   68elcamino427
Awesome! More fun times at Dodger Stadium await!
2008-09-03 17:29:55
212.   Bob Timmermann
The Rays-Yankees game is offending my sensibilities.
2008-09-03 17:30:13
213.   ucladodger
Poor Edwin Jackson. I've watched every one of his starts, and I'd say this this is one of his 5 top starts this year. He gave up 10 hits, only 2 of which were hit hard (one came after Giambi should have been called out on a strike 3). 3 broken bat bloops, 4 infield singles, getting squeezed by the ump. Too bad this happened on a natioanlly televised game.
2008-09-03 17:31:23
214.   ucladodger
Forgot to mention the absolute wretched defense played by the Rays. Eric Hinske has got to be the worst outfielder in the bigs, and Willy Aybar ain't no Longoria at third.
2008-09-03 17:37:24
215.   Zak
207 Yeah, FJM kinda got punked by Simers. As only Simers could, he might have caused Ken's brain to short-circuit.

That being said, Simers' writing is devolving from readable to incomprehensible. His sentence structure, his supporting arguments, his jokes, his attempt to convey fake sincerity.. it's awful. He is like a mentally challenged person at the asylum who is still laughing at the one joke he told ten years ago that got a laugh. His writing is so contrived and nonsensical. It doesn't even feel like light-hearted or humorous or even mean-spirited. It's just... nonsense. I don't know how the LA Times has dropped their standards like this. I understand he is a recognized name, but man, the editors at LA Times are asleep at the wheel.

2008-09-03 17:43:32
216.   silverwidow
Jim Callis said in a BA chat today that Lambo is our #1 prospect.
2008-09-03 17:46:25
217.   fanerman
215 I'm confused. How did FJM in particular get punked?
2008-09-03 17:47:01
218.   trainwreck
Didn't the LA Times get accused of trying to cover up information for the LAPD in the Notorious BIG murder case?
2008-09-03 17:48:35
219.   Icaros
Lucille I is the exact same character in 90210 as she was in Arrested Development. I think she even kept the same wardrobe.
2008-09-03 17:50:26
220.   regfairfield
I'll take sarcastic jerk over sanctimonious jerk any day of the week.
2008-09-03 17:52:16
221.   Marty
Traxx is in Union Station. Nice place, good food, but a little pricey. Not what I would think of for a pre-game meal.

Phillipes will be very crowded on Saturday.

For dim sum in Chinatown, the only good one IMO is Yum Cha Cafe on Broadway, a little south of Phillipes. It's just a little place you order from a counter, but the bao, shumai, hargow, etc. are very good.

2008-09-03 17:53:37
222.   Alex41592
Tony Jackson has an update on Pierre:

2008-09-03 17:53:38
223.   fanerman
219 I just realized that you've been talking a NEW 90210 show. I thought lately you've been watching old episodes of the old show on DVD or something (I imagine it's out on DVD--I didn't check).
2008-09-03 17:54:38
224.   Zak
217 Because I think they thought that Simers was serious. At least they considered it. I would bet that there is no way that Simers thinks Colletti is the best GM in baseball.

218 If I recall correctly, they ran a story in which they blamed the LAPD for being involved in BIG's death. Then it turned out their source was an inmate who was lying and the LA Times ran a retraction. They took some flak for improper due diligence. Sorry, that is all I remember.

2008-09-03 17:58:01
225.   trainwreck
I read a giant article about it in Rolling Stone I think two years ago. It said that they changed their story or something and tried to cover up LAPD's involvement. Giant mess, just was wondering what became of it.
2008-09-03 17:58:21
226.   Icaros

Yes, new. Shannen Doherty has not aged well at all, not that she was much to begin with.

2008-09-03 17:58:55
227.   trainwreck
I know his mom sued the city of Los Angeles.
2008-09-03 18:00:30
228.   Zak
225 I vaguely remember reading about it on CNN after the LA Times first broke the story. It's all a blur now.
2008-09-03 18:00:32
229.   68elcamino427
Sign Sabathia, Manny, and Teixeria.

Will Moreno go for it?

2008-09-03 18:02:52
230.   Tripon
229 That's a lot of money for three players. The Angels should go after Manny, their outfield/DH situation is a mess, and they're well stocked at first base. I even heard rumors that the Angels are considering moving Richard Brandon Wood from SS to 1st. And they already have Kendry Morales.
2008-09-03 18:03:15
231.   D4P
Lucille I is the exact same character in 90210 as she was in Arrested Development

First of all, there's a new 90210...?

Second of all, Lucille I's in it...?

2008-09-03 18:03:21
232.   Zak
Trainwreck... I wonder if we are thinking of different stories. I am talking about this one.,0,2043351.story

2008-09-03 18:04:46
233.   Zak
This one might be the one you are talking about

2008-09-03 18:04:54
234.   Kevin Lewis
My office is taking a staff day and heading downtown to go to the MOCA, so I was looking for good places to eat lunch. Sorry for the lack of context. We will be taking the Metro, so something within walking distance.
2008-09-03 18:05:05
235.   Icaros

First of all, yes. Second of all, yes.

2008-09-03 18:06:06
236.   D4P
First of all, that's too bad. Second of all, that's too bad.
2008-09-03 18:07:00
237.   trainwreck
Yeah, that was part of it at time. So I guess they apologized for that part.

I found the article online I was talking about it. It is very long, but I think if you go towards the end it talks about Times involvement.

2008-09-03 18:07:34
238.   trainwreck
Yeah, that is it.
2008-09-03 18:08:02
239.   fanerman
231 Yeah, I thought Icaros was re-living his favorite teenage-era show or something.
2008-09-03 18:09:09
240.   Tripon
90210 vs. Dawson Creek
2008-09-03 18:09:51
241.   trainwreck
The new 90210 was absolutely horrid.
2008-09-03 18:09:55
242.   natepurcell
Jim Callis said in a BA chat today that Lambo is our #1 prospect.


I assume the top 4 will be Lambo, Dejesus, Elbert and McDonald is some order.

That is a decent top 4. Very well rounded with a good track record and potential going forward. I'm content.

2008-09-03 18:10:24
243.   Kevin Lewis
Best new shows on primetime this fall...any thoughts?
2008-09-03 18:11:09
244.   68elcamino427
It is a ton of money.
Moreno has more than enough on hand to accomplish the task though.
If Moreno's objective is to dominate the southern California market, would it be worth it?
In this scenario the Angels get the players and the Dodgers don't.
The Angels could play Wood at third.
2008-09-03 18:12:42
245.   Icaros

I didn't think it was any worse than the horrid original.

2008-09-03 18:13:26
246.   trainwreck
I do not really know what is coming out, but Kath and Kim looks like it could be good.
2008-09-03 18:14:14
247.   Tripon
244 If Moreno wants to dominate the market, he'd make a public push to hire Vin Scully for $10 million a year.
2008-09-03 18:14:54
248.   trainwreck
All I can remember about 90210 was that Tiffani Amber-Thiesen played the bad girl and was reason I ever watched the show and that one guy had that song "How Do You Talk To An Angel?"
2008-09-03 18:15:31
249.   Icaros
Does anyone know how much Vin actually gets paid? I really have no clue.
2008-09-03 18:18:48
250.   Icaros

You didn't start watching until the college years.

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2008-09-03 18:19:29
251.   68elcamino427
Again you make a good point.
I avoided bringing the "Voice" into the conversation for fear of putting on a jinx.
2008-09-03 18:21:00
252.   Alex41592
Since the Dunn trade:

Andre Ethier: .325/.379/.725/1.104

Adam Dunn: .281/.495/.500/.995

2008-09-03 18:21:21
253.   Tripon
249 The only number I seen(and I don't remember where, so there's a chance I'm wrong) was somewhere around $3 million a year. So he's earning about the same as Torre this year. Don't know how many wins that gives the Dodgers, but Vin's still underpaid.
2008-09-03 18:28:32
254.   68elcamino427
Wonder how Ethier's numbers have been trending since about a week from the time Manny arrived with the Dodgers?

Someone previously mentioned that Manny combined with Mattingly is yielding more positive results with some of the younger players.
Are both Ethier and DeWitt showing increased bat speed combined with getting the hands on the ball - bat through the hitting zone more effectively?

2008-09-03 18:30:26
255.   Jon Weisman
243 - The best one I've seen so far is the CW's "Privileged," which isn't saying much for the fall offerings. "Fringe" on Fox will have its fans, but it's no Lost.

NBC hasn't released anything yet - they may pull a Golden Sombrero.

2008-09-03 18:30:57
256.   Jon Weisman

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