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Baseball Is Pendulumatic
2008-09-09 08:43
by Jon Weisman

Saturday, Manny Ramirez got out in his first two at-bats ... and hit a three-run homer in his third at-bat. Monday, Ramirez went 0 for 4.

Sunday, first baseman Nomar Garciaparra made a huge catch of a liner to right. Monday, Casey Blake lined to first baseman Adrian Gonzalez for an unassisted double play.

Last week, the Dodgers made Cha Seung Baek look worse than he is, forcing him to give up seven runs. Monday, they made him look better than he is, letting him go seven innings.

So many different things happen in a baseball game that can influence the outcome. The Dodgers have been better of late, but they never stopped being vulnerable. Nor have they stopped being capable.

Back at it tonight.

* * *

Here's Tony Jackson's assessment of Baek in the Daily News today:

Cha Seung Baek, who came in with a career record of 18-27 and whom the Dodgers had torched for seven runs in less than four innings just six days earlier, brought his best stuff to this one. His changeup, which wasn't working then, was working now. His mid-90s fastball, which had nothing to balance it out then, had something to balance it out now. His pitch count, which was grossly inflated then, was remarkably efficient now.

* * *

I'm not a fantasy baseball player, but since this piece by Paul Singman of The Hardball Times involves Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier, I thought I'd pass it along.

* * *

One thing that I haven't seen remarked lately upon is this. Recently, the Dodgers offered season-ticket holders who renewed by last week a chance to lock in a 2008 rate for 2009. Implicit in this offer is that the Dodgers will raise ticket prices in 2009. While this is no shock, it's by far the earliest I've seen this news come out. I've found it disconcerting that a ticket-price increase, given the current economy, is something we essentially must take for granted.

Of course, everyone has their problems. At True Blue L.A., ToyCannon wonders about the Dodgers' financial situation. He admits he's speculating in some parts, but he raises some noteworthy issues. His last paragraph particularly resonates.

... Hopefully this is but a blip, but the Dodgers don't draft low enough in the draft and don't spend enough money in the international market to get away with selling prospects as a long term plan.

In all the years as a Dodger fan I can never remember the team trading(selling) a prospect as highly regarded as Carlos Santana to avoid paying salary. Some think that Santana was a fungible asset but from I've read, he is either going to be ranked number 1 or 2 when BA lists the Indian prospects. Pablo Sandoval is tearing up the NL at the moment. For most of the year he did his act in the same league as Carlos Santana, and Carlos Santana was the better hitter. As Andrew said Carlos Santana probably had a better year then the ballyhooed Matt LaPorta.

The best way to nip this in the bud would be for the Dodgers to go deep into the playoffs. They then not only get the TV revenue, they get to keep the playoff revenue for the 2009 season. When bloggers and fans lambast the Dodgers for trading the future for now, I don't think the McCourts have any choice. They need this team to get into the playoffs. And I think if you are a fan you need them to do the same, or you might just see more Carlos Santana deals in your future.

Many of you claim to be thinking long term when you say you hope the Dodgers don't make the playoffs so that Ned gets canned. To me that is short term thinking. If we don't make the playoffs who knows what we may be looking at in the future.

* * *

Variety has posted its second annual Season Pass group chart reviewing the new Fall 2008 TV series on the broadcast networks. (If you scroll over the thumb icons on the chart, you can see our comments.) Because of last winter's Writers Guild of America strike, it's a smaller group than in years past - and it also is a lower-quality group, I'd say. None of the new shows earned must-see status from me, and only three have even tempted me to watch a second time.

The CW's Privilged, featuring Freaks and Geeks alum JoAnna Garcia, was the best of the lot - but still not as good as, for example, 2007-08 CW freshman Aliens in America, which was canceled. I'm stunned that I was the only 90210 detractor among my colleagues.

As for cable, I've seen the first 2 3/4 episodes of HBO's True Blood and may stop there. It has its appeal, but I'm not sure it's worth the time. More enjoyable so far have been the screeners of the upcoming Little Britain USA, which brings characters from Little Britain to Stateside locales. BBC America's Gavin and Stacey (new to us in the U.S.) wasn't bad either, though I'm not going to stick with it.

There are still some new shows that remain to be seen - perhaps there will be some pleasant surprises.

Comments (144)
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2008-09-09 09:28:25
1.   ToyCannon
While baseball is a fairly predictable game, it is the small percentages of deviations from the norm that make the game a delight. For all of the history this game has, we still get to see things that have never happened before, or are as rare as a Dodger playoff victory.
2008-09-09 09:34:29
2.   kinbote
1 For example, we may get to see Torre rest a regular one of these days. I thought yesterday was a good time, but I guess he didn't want to mess with success.
2008-09-09 09:43:33
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - Toy, I just did a revision and linked to you in this post.
2008-09-09 09:44:33
4.   Kevin Lewis
In regards to Lowe's consistency posted in the last thread:

This is why I would resign him if he wanted to stay. I know he wants to go back east, but if we make it to the playoffs, maybe it will change his mind.

2008-09-09 09:46:55
5.   ToyCannon
2008-09-09 09:50:51
6.   D4P
Do the Dodgers need to make the playoffs in order for McCourt to buy the marathon rights...?
2008-09-09 09:54:02
7.   schoffle

"I know he wants to go back east"

Has Lowe really said this?

2008-09-09 10:07:35
8.   Jon Weisman
From the Greet Rumors with Skepticism Dept.: Ashton Kutcher an assistant football coach at Harvard-Westlake. So says the ever-reliable New York Post.

2008-09-09 10:08:37
9.   Disabled List
The best way to nip this in the bud would be for the Dodgers to go deep into the playoffs.

That's not necessarily true. If the Dodgers were to make a deep playoff run after Colletti's discount prospect sale might only convince the brain trust [sic] that selling prospects for rental players is sound strategy, and would encourage them to do it again in future years. Not only that, but it might keep Colletti from getting the pink slip he richly deserves.

I'm not saying I don't want to see a deep playoff run, of course, but each silver lining has its cloud.

2008-09-09 10:10:01
10.   ibleedbloo
0 I could be totally off base, but I took the "chance to lock in at 2008 prices" as a sign they would not be raising ticket prices. I see it being used as a marketing tool for current season ticket holders to lock in now while the Dodgers and a playoff run are tops in their conscious. Also, it is being used as a tool to get new season ticket holders who think they will be getting a deal.

The Dodgers have raised ticket prices each of the last two years; my tickets have doubled since the 2006 season. There is a group of 5 families that sit adjacent to me and only 1 has locked in for next season. Of the remaining 4, 1 is a definite "no" to renew, 1 is a "probably not", and 2 say "maybe". I am a "probably not" unless I can find a few people to split the season with me.

I come from Riverside and for a few years I was attending 65+ games a year. With the increase in gas, parking, tickets, etc. this year I have made 30ish. The games that I don't make it to I try to sell, usually on eBay, but I have been only getting back about half of what I pay. I understand the Dodgers will charge what the market will bare, but they are doing a good job at pricing out loyal fans.

2008-09-09 10:11:04
11.   Bumsrap
Can't Eli Broad just buy the Dodgers and eliminate the ongoing worries about the McCourt's ability to stay afloat?
2008-09-09 10:11:16
12.   ibleedbloo
8 They had a clip of him looking awkward on TMZ last night...I was just flipping through, I swear...
2008-09-09 10:11:41
13.   Jon Weisman
10 - So essentially you think the Dodgers are doing a bait-and-switch on their most loyal customers. They're going to tempt them into giving their money early in exchange for savings - and then make those savings non-existent?
2008-09-09 10:12:01
14.   MC Safety
I don't get how wanting a smarter GM is short term thinking.
2008-09-09 10:12:25
15.   bhsportsguy
Are the Dodgers streaky?

It probably seems like more but the Dodgers have had 8 losing steaks 3 games or longer (3 three games, 2 four games, 2 five games and 1 eight game) and on the positive side, 7 winning streaks 3 games or longer (3 three game, 1 four game, 1 five game and 1 eight game).

And yes, most of these steaks can be viewed through road/home splits.

2008-09-09 10:18:06
16.   Jon Weisman
14 - Because you're assuming the same owner that hired the dumb GM wouldn't hire another.
2008-09-09 10:18:22
17.   ToyCannon
What would be the incentive to lock in now if they aren't raising prices next year?

I was surprised at how many season ticket holders did not buy the post season package. About 50% of the ones I surveyed around me. The World Series price was the same as 2004 which came as a surprise since the tickets themselves have gone up 50% since then.

Can't agree with that assessment. They would have the same players for the deep run, but they would still have the farm assets if they added payroll instead of selling assets.

2008-09-09 10:19:33
18.   D4P
1. Does Ned deserve to be fired?


2. Would Ned's replacement necessarily be better?


2008-09-09 10:20:19
19.   kinbote
13 I hear Frank McCourt has a case of toner set aside for every Dodger fan. There's going to be a price increase, but he has it locked in at last year's rate. Now, whose attention should he send it to?
2008-09-09 10:20:43
20.   delias man
I do not really have an issue with ticket increases. I have sat in RES 23 since 04, and last year was the first increase I ever had, only 4 dollars per ticket. It is still a bargain, I mean have you seen that LF seats in SD cost $28.00? I was going to go down there tonight and sit behind Manny until I realized it was going to turn into a $150 night easy.

The parking to me is outrageous, and I will seriously re-consider my 09 tix if that is increased again.

2008-09-09 10:21:46
21.   MC Safety
16 And you're assuming Frank McCourt can't learn from a mistake, correct?
2008-09-09 10:22:36
22.   Jon Weisman
If I did the math right, our season tickets have increased in price by 833 percent since we first got them in 1982.
2008-09-09 10:24:17
23.   Jon Weisman
21 - I'm not assuming either way. I feel that given the unknown, we might as well root for the best now, hope that Colletti learns some lessons (if he isn't fired), hope that the team earns some postseason money and hope that we can enjoy ourselves in October for a change.
2008-09-09 10:24:26
24.   Bumsrap
20 - McCourt is only charging the going rate for parking in Boston--well, heading in that direction anyway.
2008-09-09 10:24:42
25.   old dodger fan
$15 is a lot to pay to park. Earlier this month I took my family of 3 to a Nats game. We parked at a Metro Station ($4.50); took the train in to the game ($14) and then took it back to the Metro Station ($7).

$15 looks pretty good.

2008-09-09 10:30:40
26.   MC Safety
23 Definitely. It just seems like there is a general assumption that McCourt would hire someone as inept or worse.
2008-09-09 10:32:00
27.   ToyCannon
Metro is great for a single fan. Once you take a family the cost and inconvenience far outweigh parking at the game. I would expect this to be the same anywhere where a car needs to involved in the activity.
2008-09-09 10:34:42
28.   delias man
25 I see what you are saying, but 15x81= a lot, and the preferred pass is more like 17.50 per game.
2008-09-09 10:34:50
29.   ToyCannon
That would be based on several things. One not letting Evans keep the job where he had proven to be a competent GM. Two firing a perfectly competent GM. Three hiring a lousy GM.

I don't see why the majority should not question the ability of McCourt to pick the right person. Don't forget many baseball people didn't want anything to do with McCourt and Ned was far from his 1st choice.

2008-09-09 10:35:48
30.   mwhite06
8 It's actually true. My sister saw him at the game...
2008-09-09 10:36:34
31.   cargill06
25 Public transportation stinks.
2008-09-09 10:38:43
32.   old dodger fan
27 Parking at Nationals Stadium is $15 - $20 and you have to park a few blocks from the stadium and walk at night in downtown DC unless you want valet or the Red lot next to the stadium and then it's $40. With the hassel factor of driving in DC the Metro was still worth it.
2008-09-09 10:40:24
33.   ToyCannon
Maybe the bus system but I find the Orange Busway, light rail and subway to be excellent at getting around the city.

Have you actually tried using it before condemning it?

2008-09-09 10:40:39
34.   silverwidow
It bugs me that McDonald hasn't been allowed to throw a major league pitch. A couple of innings today or tomorrow wouldn't hurt.
2008-09-09 10:43:00
35.   Jon Weisman
30 - So it's more than a one-time thing?
2008-09-09 10:43:46
36.   Jon Weisman
34 - For McDonald himself, there would be worse things in the world than shutting it down for the season. But I admit I'd like to see him out there too.
2008-09-09 10:45:23
37.   delias man
34 He was stretching out, and everyone in the pen was starting to get him pumped up during Kershaw's rough 1st inning Sunday. That is as close as he has got so far.
2008-09-09 10:46:01
38.   mwhite06
35 You know I'm not really sure. My sister is a teacher for a high school in the Valley, and she's plugged in to those things. When she told me, I assumed she meant that he would be one of the coaches over there this year, and that he had an interest in coaching high school football.
2008-09-09 10:47:29
39.   silverwidow
I would advise the Dodgers to skip Kershaw's next start in Colorado. It limits his innings while giving him an easier opponent in Pittsburgh.
2008-09-09 10:49:54
40.   ToyCannon
For some reason I'm not very interested in seeing McDonald pitch. Maybe because I have little expectation of his skill set. I guess I should see it before not being excited about it.
Elbert on the other hand is very interesting to me. Maybe it is the southpaw thing where everything from a hard throwing lefty seems electric.
2008-09-09 10:52:07
41.   old dodger fan
33 Did you mean that for me? I have not used the DC bus system but it's just because I'm not familiar with it. I don't live in DC but I visit there about once a year.
I've used city busses in Asian countries and found them great once I learned to read the route map.
2008-09-09 10:53:52
42.   Zak
35 pictorial proof

with a HW logo on cap and shirt.

2008-09-09 10:54:42
43.   Jon Weisman
39 - That strikes me as worth serious consideration.
2008-09-09 10:55:43
44.   Jon Weisman
42 - I saw that picture - that doesn't show me it has happened more than once. Not saying that it isn't real, but one picture isn't proof.
2008-09-09 11:00:58
45.   D4P
Maybe the high school football coach gig is just an elaborate ruse wherein the "Punk"-er becomes the "Punk"-ee.
2008-09-09 11:01:38
46.   ibleedbloo
13 Thinking about it, I am probably wrong about tickets not going up, but if 2009 tickets don't go up, I wouldn't consider it a bait and switch. They have simply said give us your money now and your prices won't go up.

22 Though I doubt you have yearly figures, do you know off hand when you experienced the biggest jump in price? After the World Series win? After Fox took over? My tickets have increased 100% in two seasons, is there a precedent for this?

2008-09-09 11:04:03
47.   Kevin Lewis
I have found the Gold line to be a great way to connect to Union Station, downtown sites, and to get to LAX for cheap
2008-09-09 11:04:08
48.   Zak
44 Yeah, but even if he showed up for a month, doesn't mean it's a long-term thing. The articles say that his friend is a coach at the school and he is helping out. I can't imagine there is salary or a time frame involved.
2008-09-09 11:04:13
49.   ToyCannon
That is a shocker. I just went over to the JoeP site and decided to vote on the AL MVP poll. I picked Pedroia because no one else stood out for me. I figured I'd be by myself. He's winning the vote by a substantial number.
2008-09-09 11:04:14
50.   Jon Weisman
46 - Oh, by far most of it came after the O'Malleys sold the team.
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2008-09-09 11:04:36
51.   Jon Weisman
50 - and then compounded by the McCourts buying it.
2008-09-09 11:08:08
52.   Zak
Doug Davis vs. Barry Zito
Hiroki Kuroda vs. Wade LeBlanc

If only we could score some runs on the road. I think a 5-5 road trip would be great here considering the Dodgers are killing teams at home (13-3 over last 16 home games) and they are going to play poor teams at home. Even if the Dodgers come back home after this road trip tied with the DBacks, I'll take it.

2008-09-09 11:08:23
53.   Reddog
Ned will most likely be back next season, as McCourt does not want to pay his salary, plus a new GM's salary. However, Ned will be a lame duck GM, and next year will be his last. He won't be allowed to sign any more expensive free agents, other than going after Manny, Lowe, maybe re-signing Penny.

I'm sure it sticks in McCourt's craw how much money has been foolishly wasted on Schmidt, Jones and Pierre. Not to mention Loaiza.

Also, I think Logan White and Kim Ng may now have more influence than Colletti on what moves the Dodgers make. I really think McCourt no longer trusts Colletti to do anything on his own.

2008-09-09 11:10:47
54.   Zak
50 , 51 Is this timeline with ticket increases related to owners or are the price increases in line with price increases across major league parks in general over the same time period? I won't specualte about the O'Malleys but I would think that even if FOX still owned the Dodgers, ticket prices would be around what they are now, maybe with fewer stadium improvements.
2008-09-09 11:13:53
55.   Sushirabbit
I apologize if this has been brought up, but I simply can't read all the comments anymore. On some days I can, other days I can't.

Anyway, is it just me or has Vin not mentioned Kent at all? :-) And has there been any mention of the fact that the Dodgers are 8-1 without Kent?

2008-09-09 11:20:02
56.   underdog
Hey guys, Tom Brady's still injured. Details as they come in. Just thought I'd update you.

You know, I feel bad about his injury, I really do, but I'm considering it karmic revenge on ESPN's Bill Simmons for his trash talk on the Lakers during the NBA finals. Now he's weeping openly on Boo hoo, is all I can say.

Okay, back to baseball.

2008-09-09 11:21:19
57.   D4P
I'm considering it karmic revenge on ESPN's Bill Simmons for his trash talk on the Lakers during the NBA finals

Or maybe for that time Brady's Patriots cheated the Rams out of the Super Bowl.

2008-09-09 11:24:07
58.   Zak
55 I heard A. Martinez on ESPN Radio yesterday saying that the Dodgers players had implited to him that they do not want Kent back even if he recovers. One anecdote he gave made me smile. Apparently the clubhouse stereo settings are next to Kent's locker and some of the younger players were scared or did not want to change the music or play music they wanted because they were afraid of Kent and often felt that they had to act a certain way around him. Now, they not only play the music they want, but on of them even put up a boombox right in Kent's locker.

I wouldn't put any credence in the Dodgers going 8-1 since Kent's injury. The schedule breaking the right way plus the tiredness of Webb and Haren plus three of those games were at home to SD were far bigger factors than Kent being there or not.

2008-09-09 11:24:24
59.   underdog
57 That, too.


Btw, I hate to beat a dead horse -- or a dead catcher -- but I really hope Russ gets a day off either today or tomorrow.

2008-09-09 11:26:15
60.   delias man
56 How can you feel bad? I finally have closure on that awful awful night in the snow 6 years ago.
2008-09-09 11:26:32
61.   underdog
Gerry Fraley in the Sporting News:

>>Hershiser...will walk away with the "foot in mouth" award if the Los Angeles Dodgers continue their strong play in the stretch run and win the National League West.

Hershiser took indirect shots at Dodgers manager Joe Torre during an ESPN2 telecast in late August. Hershiser questioned the Dodgers' passion and team chemistry, leading to the inevitable conclusion that this team was dead in the water.<<

2008-09-09 11:27:44
62.   KingKopitar
Has TJ Simers' new article been brought up yet? I wouldn't think a major newspaper could get away with a headline like "San Diego is a tow filled with losers."

2008-09-09 11:27:53
63.   underdog
60 Because I have nothing personal against Tom Brady, and have a soccer teammate who had the same injury and it's pretty awful to deal with. I hate the Patriots but not enough to wish physical harm on Brady. Bill Belichick, that's another matter...
2008-09-09 11:30:41
64.   Zak
Wow, I'm neither a Pats fan or a Rams fan, but the Rams fans are the biggest losers in history. To cry over something that happened seven years ago that may or may not have decided the football game is world class whining. Never mind that they've only had one winning season since. Oh no, they stole our super bowl. Seriously?!

Even Raiders fans have stopped crying about the tuck rule.. I think!

/end rant
/cue attack by Rams and Raiders fans

2008-09-09 11:31:31
65.   Zak
LOL, I wrote 64 before reading 60 so I guess I was wrong.
2008-09-09 11:33:53
66.   ToyCannon
I like Tom Brady, I like the Patriots. Don't watch ESPN if you don't want to hear about it. It is not like you don't have 100's of other choices.

If I was the manager I wouldn't allow any music to be playing in the clubhouse at all except what I wanted. With 25 people from all over the world you are certain to piss off people with the choices in music. Better they be pissed at the manager then at each other.

That is what Ipods are for are they not?

2008-09-09 11:35:13
67.   LogikReader
By the way, fellas, how many games do you think the Patriots will win now that Brady's out?

I made a poll up on my blog. Most people are voting "undefeated."

2008-09-09 11:35:22
68.   delias man
63 It would take something this drastic to get them to start losing.
2008-09-09 11:35:42
69.   Zak
63 I agree. I dislike Belichik an awful lot. Unless you're a diehard Patriots fan, Belichek is a really hard person to like. I like Tom Brady and I think it sucks that he got so badly hurt. I've torn my ACL twice and it sucks. Also, anyone who thinks that Brady was involved in the video taping incidents or was responsible for how the refs interpreted the tuck rule are incredibly stupid. To call a professional athlete's injury karmic retribution for those reasons speaks more about that person anyway.
2008-09-09 11:36:40
70.   Zak
67 I would say 9. Maybe 10.
2008-09-09 11:37:15
71.   delias man
64 I am not crying about the rule,they could have still stopped them on the ensuing drive.
2008-09-09 11:38:06
72.   ToyCannon
Why are we the biggest losers in history? Because our owner drowned leaving us with his wife? Because she then moved the team away from Los Angeles which I expect was a first? Because we had one of the greatest teams ever to not a win a super bowl while in Los Angeles?
2008-09-09 11:38:55
73.   Zak
Not sure if anyone follows Chelsea, but they lost Essien to an ACL tear also over the weekend. That should hurt their EPL chances more than any other player getting hurt on that team.
2008-09-09 11:40:26
74.   LogikReader

9 wins seems about right. I initially thought 6, but they still have a ton of offensive talent around them, and some lousy teams on the schedule. Certainly, their shot at a Super Bowl is shot, but they'll at least make the playoffs.

2008-09-09 11:41:41
75.   Zak
72 None of those reasons. I may not have said it clearly, but I meant that if you are pointing fingers and crying about a game you lost seven years ago, that makes you a loser. I think that is true for fans of any team. I honestly don't mean to ascribe that to Rams fans only. It includes Cubs fans who root against Bartman and Red Sox fans pre-2004 who still hated Buckner.
2008-09-09 11:42:07
76.   ToyCannon
Won't they need more then 9 wins to at least make the playoffs? I'm saying 11 wins.
2008-09-09 11:42:48
77.   Zak
74 yeah I also think they will make the playoffs but they will have a tough time once they get there. i think the steelers probably have the best chance to win the AFC.
2008-09-09 11:42:54
78.   ToyCannon
Yeah, I would say that you did not say that clearly.
2008-09-09 11:46:35
79.   Zak
76 The sixth place AFC team last year had 10 wins. I think 9 might be enough this year, but maybe not. I think the NFC is stronger this year and there won't be as big a gap between AFC and NFC teams this year. 2 teams in the NFC got in last year with 9 wins.
2008-09-09 11:47:18
80.   underdog
I would say 9-7 for the Pats seems do-able. For all the ballyhoo about the AFC East being improved, I still think it's fairly weak. I am circling Oct 20 on my calendar, though. Denver at New England on ESPN.
2008-09-09 11:47:20
81.   D4P
There are reasons to care about cheating that are unrelated to whether the cheating affected "your team" or not.

The Patriots engaged in what I consider to be a major form of cheating, that might reasonably be considered to have affected multiple Super Bowls.

Their penalty was a proverbial slap on the wrist.

2008-09-09 11:48:06
82.   Zak
78 Well, there you go. Losers if crying about lost superbowls. Absolute winners for reasons you stated.
2008-09-09 11:48:39
83.   underdog
The NFC West is awful this year. People should channel their derision of the NL West and move it to talk of the NFC West. The Cardinals could win that division with 8-8.
2008-09-09 11:49:19
84.   MC Safety
73 YES!!!!!!!
2008-09-09 11:49:26
85.   blue22
55 - Anyway, is it just me or has Vin not mentioned Kent at all?

Last night, he went out of his way to relay what Andre Ethier told him was the cause of his hot hitting of late: "Manny Ramirez"

To me, that was a subtle jab at Kent by Vin.

2008-09-09 11:50:59
86.   scareduck
At this point it's pretty obvious that, whether or not you believe the Dodgers to be constrained by debt service and salaries, Frank has put significant chains on Ned's ability to get things done. As 53 suggests, I would go even further and say that Ned is a lame duck GM at this very moment; I find it highly likely that McCourt has more or less taken over at least the fiscal aspect of things.
2008-09-09 11:51:18
87.   Zak
81 Completely agree with you. I think the NFL actually helped cover up what the Patriots did. And there should have been a more severe penalty. I just don't think that because a team lost a superbowl, someone justifiably deserves to tear a cruciate ligament in their knee.
2008-09-09 11:52:10
88.   scareduck
81 - are you seriously talking about that videotaping stuff? Really?

That has to be the dumbest non-event ever. People at a public sporting event expecting not to be videotaped? Just how stupid is that?

2008-09-09 11:52:58
89.   Zak
84 I root for Man U. in the EPL, and I think this helps us more than you (IIRC, you are an Arsenal fan, right?) ;)
2008-09-09 11:54:04
90.   scareduck
62 - What a treat for the small-town losers in San Diego, the local yokels saddled with bad football and baseball teams again, but catching a break finally and getting a glimpse of the Los Angeles Dodgers as they move toward yet another World Series title.

Simers is pretty clearly dripping sarcasm, especially as this piece comes off a Dodgers loss.

2008-09-09 11:55:19
91.   D4P
People at a public sporting event expecting not to be videotaped?

Was it against the rules?

2008-09-09 11:56:31
92.   Eric Stephen
Sorry to open this can of worms again, but wasn't the main advantage of the cameras used by the Patriots to tape the opponent in the first half, then make halftime adjustments based on the tapes?

Wasn't the halftime score of said Super Bowl 17-0 Patriots?

2008-09-09 12:01:05
93.   old dodger fan
I beleive they were taping coaches so they could steal playcalling signals. In essence, they stole their signs. You know, like they try to in every baseball game.

In the NFL it is against the rules, they got caught and they were penalized.

2008-09-09 12:03:14
94.   scareduck
93 - in which case the rule is stupid.

I'm a big believer in the discovery of law rather than its imposition. This is an example of imposition failing, obviously (and hilariously) so.

2008-09-09 12:03:20
95.   MC Safety
89 Yep, that's me. I like our chances if we keep playing like we did against Newcastle. I think we can build a significant lead on ManU while Christiano is out. Chelski is another story, though. They look pretty strong. I was really hoping we'd sign another mid, but I think we can get it done with the guys we got. I've got a strong feeling this is going to be the year Theo Walcott puts himself into that elite category.
2008-09-09 12:05:16
96.   old dodger fan
Being neither a Patriot fan or a Patriot hater I always thought it was much ado about nothing. But stupid or not, it is a rule and it had to be dealt with. It seems to me it's time to move on though.
2008-09-09 12:07:01
97.   underdog
Yes, Simers is being sarcastic again. Which is his standard operating procedure. He also needs to be removed from the LA Times sports section and asked to never write again, as soon as possible. His stuff is getting even unfunnier, even more sarcastic, and worse -- incredibly muddled. I find it depressing that the Times continues to think his schtick has value for anything other than lining the bottom of a hamster's cage.


2008-09-09 12:08:12
98.   Eric Stephen
I think Simers is a Broncos fan! :)
2008-09-09 12:08:31
99.   Zak
95 Maybe. With Arsenal, I just feel like a lot of things have to go right for them to win the EPL. They are still awfully young and especially so in midfield with Fabregas, Nasri, Walcott and Denilson. That usually catches up later in the season. Man United for all their youth in midfiled with Anderson, Ronaldo (last year), Nani, Fletcher, etc. still have Scholes and Giggs as big parts of that team. I think Arsenal will miss someone like Gilberto or Pires. And I am not sold on Gallas to hold it together all season long. That being said, if Eduardo comes back strong as ever, their forward line will be scary if Wengers plays him and Adebayor together.
2008-09-09 12:10:15
100.   underdog
98 Bitter, much? ;-)
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2008-09-09 12:10:51
101.   Eric Stephen
Yes, I am a petty, bitter man. I thought that was evident!
2008-09-09 12:15:53
102.   JJ42
Eric, you're going to tonight's game, right? What section/row are you in? I'll stop by and say hello.

Anyone else going to be there tonight? Would be nice to have a mini DT gathering!

2008-09-09 12:21:44
103.   MC Safety
99 Agree with most everything you said outside of the missing Gilberto thing. Pires was class, as was Gilberto up until a year or two ago. It would be nice to have a Flamini type, but I'm confidant the guys we have will make a run. I feel Rosicky's absence has been the biggest blow for us. Getting him back will be big for us, perhaps bigger than Eduardo. Denilson looked horrible against Fulham, but had a much better game against Newcastle. He's an intriguing player. He's just going to keep getting better, imo. I can't really comment on ManU with any confidence, I haven't seen much of them outside of the Newcastle game. It will be interesting to see how Berbatov fits in.
2008-09-09 12:33:41
104.   Eric Stephen
I will be attending tonight's festivities, but I'm buying a ticket at the park. I have your cell phone number, but I'll shoot you an email to give you mine.

What section are you in?

2008-09-09 12:36:27
105.   Jon Weisman

HBO's "Flight of the Conchords" has begun production in New York on its second season. The 10-episode season will premiere early next year.

Mr. Clement and Mr. McKenzie told the New Zealand Herald that the upcoming season may be their last because of the difficulty of coming up with songs for the series.

2008-09-09 12:37:31
106.   Eric Stephen
Good and bad news, I guess.
2008-09-09 12:45:01
107.   underdog
105 Early next year?! Last season!?! {Cry}

That's understandable actually. I'd rather them just do one more top flight season than try to stretch it out too much.

2008-09-09 12:45:45
108.   bhsportsguy
So now, Kobe is not having surgery because he does not want to wait up to 12 weeks for recovery.

2008-09-09 12:46:08
109.   Eric Stephen
I guess they are saying their lyrics aren't in fact bottomless.
2008-09-09 12:47:05
110.   Eric Stephen
That's an...odd choice.
2008-09-09 12:49:27
111.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds put Josh Fogg on the 60-day DL.

How will this affect people's fantasy teams?

2008-09-09 12:52:23
112.   JoeyP
Will JP Ricchardi get a reprieve from being labeled one of baseball's worst GMs?

Toronto Blue Jays XWL is 81-61.

2008-09-09 12:52:37
113.   Eric Stephen
Checking...I'm still 9th in an 11-team league.
2008-09-09 12:53:23
114.   JoeyP
Thats 3rd in all of baseball.
2008-09-09 12:53:44
115.   JJ42
104 I'm buying a ticket at the gate too so just give me a call when you get yours.
2008-09-09 13:01:36
116.   regfairfield
112 In five years the best player he's brought into that organization is Aaron Hill.
2008-09-09 13:08:25
117.   regfairfield
The Jays hit the middle reliever lottery this year, that explains most of their success. Plus Marcum and Litsch are pitching way over their heads.
2008-09-09 13:19:30
118.   fiddlestick
63 I'll second that. I'm into my 9th month back now after a 14 month recovery from ACL reconstruction. Neither the injury or the recovery was anything I'd care to repeat. We actually changed our name to FC ACL this season because we collected our 5th blown ACL over the summer. Better to embrace it and chase the karma away before someone else gets hurt.
2008-09-09 13:27:09
119.   Tripon
For everyone who says that Ned won't be fired due to McCourt not wishing to waste money to pay Ned who's not working for him. Three things:

1) McCourt already has a history of firing people with multiple years on his contract. He fired DePo, he fired Tracy, He fired Grady Little to hire Torre and gave Torre $3 million to coach the team.

2) NedCo doesn't make that much, Depo only made about $500,000 a year on his five year contract. I doubt Ned makes that much more Depo did on his contract. This is a team that's paying Schimdt, JP, Andruw Jones, and Furcal about $50 million for guys who's either on the DL or on the bench. Ned's salary is minuscule compared to everyone else. Heck, I doubt Ned makes more than a player in his first year who makes $390,000. Getting rid of Ned and paying his last year of salary shouldn't be an issue.

3) Both Kim Ng, and Logan White are going to be actively interviewing for GM positions in other cities. Losing both of them would be a big blow to the Dodgers, and imagining a Dodgers front office without Ng and White, and with Ned still at the helm is well, frightening. If its true McCourt doesn't trust Coletti with his money, and forces Coletti to okay his FA and trades with either White or Ng, then McCourt should just stop the charade and hire either White or Ng and be done with it.

Just my two cents.

2008-09-09 13:27:25
120.   LogikReader

Is Kobe out of his mind?

2008-09-09 13:30:01
121.   LogikReader
Is Kobe out of his mind?

I fully respect Kobe's willingness to try and be a good team leader, but I'm afraid he could be out for much longer if his pinky gets aggravated.

So I amend my original comment.

2008-09-09 13:32:22
122.   cargill06
119 Dodgers+Ned-White-Ng= Uh-oh

That is scary.

2008-09-09 13:32:23
123.   Tripon
Kobe's looking at his next contract getting signed before he gets surgery.
2008-09-09 13:33:20
124.   robohobo
We can have Joel Guzman back.
2008-09-09 13:36:52
125.   Tripon
I believe the Joel Guzman ship has set sail a long time ago.
2008-09-09 13:37:36
126.   fracule
0 I got really excited when I read the show title 'Little Britain', as I thought that it might be an 'Arrested Development' spinoff. Oh well.
2008-09-09 13:38:41
127.   bhsportsguy
126 If you ever saw the original on BBC America, you would know that its a pretty funny if quirky sketch show.
2008-09-09 13:39:39
128.   fracule
119 I can guarantee you that Ned makes more than Depo did.
2008-09-09 13:40:28
129.   fracule
127 Sounds good. I don't get BBC, so I'll be looking forward to this.
2008-09-09 13:46:30
130.   Tripon
128 Yeah, but it shouldn't be so much that it would be problematic for McCourt to fire Ned.
2008-09-09 13:51:49
131.   Marty
Wow, is this the end of JtD?
2008-09-09 13:52:35
132.   fracule
130 Yeah, I think if he really thought it would bring the team success, he would do it. There is really no business interest in fielding a bad team. I'm just not sure the mediocrity of the hitting this year is totally Ned's fault. Don't get me wrong, much better decision could have been made, but I like what he did with the Manny deal. It seems that with the offense the line up is capable of, and the really, really good pitching staff, there's no good reason these guys can't go deep into the playoffs.
2008-09-09 13:53:56
133.   kinbote
124 Maybe the Nationals or Reds will grab him. They like reclamation projects.
2008-09-09 13:54:46
134.   ToyCannon
Baseball things rarely make me sad anymore, but this makes me sad. He was born on my birthday and I followed him since the day he was signed.

The demise of JtD is in the top ten of my Dodger disappointments. I'll never forget checking out his MLE and smiling when it gave him a slug% > 500 as a 19 year old in AA.

The "light tower power" he displayed during batting practice at the futures game, the fact he was still playing SS at 6'6. I knew he wouldn't be a SS and that he might always have plate discipline issues but I hoped he'd be the slugging RF we needed back then.

Oh well, at least Jose Lopez turned into a useful major league infielder.

2008-09-09 13:55:44
135.   underdog
I guess we can say Colletti and White (presumably) were right about Guzman, at any rate.
2008-09-09 13:57:41
136.   Tripon
134 The "light tower power" he displayed during batting practice at the futures game, the fact he was still playing SS at 6'6. I knew he wouldn't be a SS and that he might always have plate discipline issues but I hoped he'd be the slugging RF we needed back then.

Meanwhile, Ethier became that slugging RF we always needed.

2008-09-09 13:59:49
137.   Disabled List
I wonder if some team can turn Guzman into a pitcher. He's 6'6", and if he can play SS, presumably he has a good arm?
2008-09-09 14:00:13
138.   underdog
Now about that Cody Ross...

{summon Bob}

2008-09-09 14:01:16
139.   Uncle Miltie
I had a really awful nightmare last night.

The Dodgers acquired Eric Gagne....

2008-09-09 14:02:37
140.   Tripon
139 And he signed for $20 million over two years?
2008-09-09 14:03:28
141.   Lexinthedena
I thought Matt Luke was going to be the lefty power bat that we had needed for years. Turns out, we couldn't even get him to stay for wiffle ball.
2008-09-09 14:05:41
142.   delias man
JtD was so cocky that first time they let the media talk to him when he signed. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like see you soon in the majors. It got me excited. What a shame.
2008-09-09 14:06:52
143.   bhsportsguy
Hot Stove - GM merry-go-round

Right now, the only open jobs are the Mariners and Phillies, Cashman's contract ends at the end of this season but odds are he will remain in NY, though Seattle (if Gillick takes president's job as rumored, is possible), Philadephia or LA are other rumored destinations for the NYY GM,

The only GM who could be fired right now and this would be more of not renewing his contract is Jim Bowden.

The only positions where interviews will take place at this time are for Seattle and Philadephia.

If Seattle sees themselves as a contender (why I don't know), then going the Gillick/Cashman route would make some sense, if they want to start fresh, some of the asst. GMs looking for their first GM job would be a good place to go.

In Philadelphia, Ruben Amaro has the inside track according to those who follow the team.

Washington is a mess but Bowden does have ownership in his corner according to press reports so who knows if they will let him go.

I think in the end, Cashman stays, Seattle hires an asst. GM from another organization, Phillies promote Amaro and Bowden is given one more year.

Astros – Ed Wade signed through 2010
Blue Jays – J.P. Ricciardi, signed through 2010
Dodgers – Ned Colletti, signed through 2009
Giants – Brian Sabean, signed through 2009 with team option for 2010
Mariners – Lee Pelekoudas, interim GM
Nationals – Jim Bowden, signed through the end of 2008 (team renews contract every 6 months)
Padres – Kevin Towers, signed through 2010
Phillies – Pat Gillick, signed through 2008
Rangers – Jon Daniels, signed through 2011
Reds – Walt Jocketty, signed through 2011
Yankees – Brian Cashman, signed through 2008

2008-09-09 14:07:42
144.   Jon Weisman
Sorry, BH - NPUT

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