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So far, my September 5 comments haven't been much to write home about. Let's see what Chad Billingsley can do tonight.
Date | Dodgers | Diamondbacks | September 5 Comment | At Day's End |
9/8 |
at San Diego | at San Francisco | Dodgers have the easier opponent but probably the tougher atmosphere to play in. | +1.5 games |
9/9 | at San Diego | at San Francisco | +2.5 | |
9/10 | at San Diego | at San Francisco | +3.5 | |
9/11 | Idle | Idle | +3.5 | |
9/12 | at Colorado | vs. Cincinnati | Advantage, Arizona. The Rockies might still be fighting to stay in the race, at home. | +3.5 |
9/13 | at Colorado | vs. Cincinnati | +4.5 | |
9/14 | at Colorado | vs. Cincinnati | +4.5 | |
9/15 | at Pittsburgh | vs. San Francisco | Traditionally an easy series for the Dodgers, this comes at the end of a 10-game road trip, so they'll be hoping Giants pitching gives Arizona trouble. | +4.5 |
9/16 | at Pittsburgh | vs. San Francisco | +4.5 | |
9/17 | at Pittsburgh | vs. San Francisco | +3.5 | |
9/18 | at Pittsburgh | vs. San Francisco | +3.5 | |
9/19 | vs. San Francisco | at Colorado | Advantage, Los Angeles. | +3.5 |
9/20 | vs. San Francisco | at Colorado | +3.5 | |
9/21 | vs. San Francisco | at Colorado | +2.5 | |
9/22 | Idle | at St. Louis | +2 | |
9/23 | vs. San Diego | at St. Louis | Ditto. Following a rest day to themselves, the Dodgers have one more big shot to make a move if they haven't already. | |
9/24 | vs. San Diego | at St. Louis | ||
9/25 | vs. San Diego | at St. Louis | ||
9/26 | at San Francisco | vs. Colorado | Dodgers have won big games in San Francisco before, but they'd like to avoid the race coming down to this weekend. | |
9/27 | at San Francisco | vs. Colorado | ||
9/28 | at San Francisco | vs. Colorado |
* * *
(just trying to loosen things up a bit, guys)
150:1 baby!
vr, Xei
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lw17Pb7Nso
I'm pretty sure he had a multi-homer game in Colorado when he first came up.
Happy birthday to my favorite player.
I would hate to see the panic on this site if the lead is cut down to a single game or worse heading into SF.
That was during the Grady Little/Kemp mancrush period.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrcjGQjdmfo
It's SFW, but a very odd sketch from "Tim and Eric Awesome Show Great Job" (Rainn Wilson's involved)
Xei,
I forgot: are the Rays 150:1 to win it all, or just the pennant?
Whats the point of having a guy like Travis Vetters in the organization?
Nice seats!
Gotta fill the rosters somehow.
I wondered why they didn't promote him instead of just letting him smash away.
I'd like the Bison to celebrate his 24th with a bomb into the Loge tonight. Has anyone ever hit two into the loge?
Yup, bullpen loge.
The resident baseball expert will be sitting in section 2-4 in the reserved.
This should be a great game.
Think Cure everybody:)
I'm sitting here wondering why I need to think of songs by The Cure.
Bob Melvin is tired of watching the butchery at third base?
Off to the game, I'm 9-2 at Dodger games this year.
And Izzy steals second off the Unit.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/clay.aiken.ap/index.html
Elsewhere, the sun is hot.
I don't like the 9/26 comment.
I'm going to unjinx that one and proclaim an easy weekend, resting many regulars.
How's that.
You know me. I loves me some celebrities.
Are the Baseball Gods related to Gregg Easterbook's Football Gods? Is it somewhat akin to Greek and Roman mythology?
I've noticed that Dale Sveum tends not to have his cap on in the dugout. It's not a good look.
The NL has a 20-Game Winner™, and it's not Timmy.
Sporky, I missed something. Are you rewarding yourself with Animal Fries if the D-Backs lose? Or are you just having them?
4-0 Cardinals Bot 3.
That song was stuck in my head Sunday night after watching that episode.
But what about the Laffer Curve?
Red Sox 6 outs from the postseason.
He's getting beaten around like a pinata!
5-3 Cardinals Bot 6.
The password is "Yes".
Old Friend Koyie Hill is up.
The Aikman rumor is wrong, just like most things from PFT.
Martin. C
Ramirez. LF
Ethier. RF
Garciaparra 1B
Blake. 3B
DeWitt. 2B
Berroa. SS
Billingsley. P
Being in the moment and savoring the now.
I guess he miraculously recovered.
Or Torre has lost confidence with Loney.
May you get to have them twice more!
Its almost mind-boggling how bad he has been for them. I love it!
I may have to remove some of these guys from my hastily written manifesto.
Actually your arteries won't weep. They will just harden up.
185 - Yeah there was one of those on Sunday too, after all those diving catches by the Giants people were kinda wondering why he didn't dive as well. Easy to say from where we sit, but...
Clearly batting in front of Ethier makes Manny better!
Also, Manny hair can't be denied.
yesss!!!
yesss!!!
NOMAR!!!!!!!!! I think he looks just fine to me.
It's a glitch that Gameday has.
Ouch.
and a squeeeeeeeeze!
Villon replaced Motte
Dunn flied out to center
Perez replaced Villone
Jackson stole second
Upton walked
Jackson and Upton advanced on a wild pitch
Jackson scored on a sac fly by Upton
Franklin replaced Perez
Lopez moved to third, Miles came into play second
Montero grounded out
I'd really like for Friday night to be the most meaningless baseball game I've ever attended.
Just sounds like baseball royalty don't it?
No more teams can be eliminated tonight. Maybe tomorrow.
Oh, they're on..
Here comes the sequel!
What is your bet?
The Yankees were eliminated tonight.
- sdsuaztec4 on gaslampball
It reminded me of Buck O'Neil who wrote in his book about the distinctive sound made by Babe Ruth's bat during batting practice. Nobody else made that sound. Fifty years later, he heard that sound again in Kansas City when Bo Jackson came up.
Bucs 5, Brewers 4
I think he'd fair about as well as LeBlanc tonight.
Recording it.
It's the handle of the bat that changed everything. The handles are so thin today you can see why anything not hit on the barrell will break it. Just hold a new bat in your hand with an old one and the difference is amazing.
Normally I stick up for Matt Vasgersian, but he no help me now so I say forget him, I do it myself.
So what's the magic number in the Daron Sutton Sad Panda watch?
I'd hate to see Bills have more than one ineffective game in a row right now.
Cards win 7-4
Now c'mon Chad, settle down pardner. This game ain't won yet.
Woo hoo, magic number is 4.
I won't start up the bath just yet though.
Oh yeah, and the loss part was good too.
Now, if we could only get a certain LA times writer to admit the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp7H3Uauxzg
I look at it and every possible response that I have just takes me to crazy town.
Yeah, but theirs is in need of editing.
The Los Angeles Sparks look to be in the Conference Finals.
I had to look them up. Here is what I found:
I am not sure exactly who they were, but my mother used to quote their
lines..."After you, my dear Alphonse." "No,no, after you dear Gaston."
My favorite Wally Joyner story came from when he was with the Angels. When Jackie Autry ruled the roost, she instituted a no-alcohol policy in the clubhouse. Joyner, a Mormon who didn't drink, brought in a few cases of beer because one of his favorite things about baseball was sitting around after the game and just talking baseball with his teammates.
Awesome.
Bob, why do you bother? :)
Don't you think Chad might see an inning or two during the weekend so he doesn't go 9 days in between starts?
Joyner said he didn't feel welcome in the organization anymore or words to that effect.
Thanks.
The plane has crashed into the mountain!
How dare you..
I hope it's from a wealthy great aunt I didn't know I had like the am/pm commercial.
I thought you were on acid for a second.
That RBI by Billingsley really tied this inning together.
I think it's only fair John's ligaments are used for future Tommy John surgeries.
May I assume that the mood around here is much improved?
Good, good. I'm going back to my fever now.
Have fun, everybody!
We are going to the Conference Finals, everyone!!
You know what the prescription for a fever is?
not nearly long enough, is it?
[a] cold?
C'mon Chad, a hit to Charlie Haeger?! Okay, he needs to be on a short leash tonight.
Geez guys, the only prescription for a fever is more cowbell!
Whew. One more inning for Chad and then bring in the pen, I say.
Because I do
Maybe it's the lack of sleep with the new baby.
Of course, I don't have to pay for said equipment
I think it's the fact that he isn't tearing the cover off the ball like a couple weeks ago. It's easy to have a new attitude when things are going well. I know from experience.
101 pitches so far and he's only in the fifth inning.
Aw...I wanted him to make 160 pitches tonight.
Tim Kawakami does an interview with Deadspin about the Raiders.
W000HOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!
DEWITT!!!!!
That magic number is coming down another notch tonight!!!
Woo hoo!
Should I start up my bath now?
AL East
NL Central
NL East
AL Central
NL West
AL West
Defending the quality of the NL West, like Defending the Pac 10, is the battle we cannot win.
I don't think anyone can debate that the Pac 10 is the worst of the major conferences. Sure, we have USC, but everybody else is just awful. Thoughts? Rebuttals?
Please, you dirty hippie. We can smell you in Walnut Creek.
Let me introduce you to the ACC.
I say 6th, 7th and 8th respectively. But, whatever. It feels good tonight.
Big East ain't exactly the greatest conference either. Or Big 10.
I would agree, but who just got their butt kicked by the lowly Terrapins of Maryland? A Pac 10 Team.
Still, I think the ACC might take the cake, because they don't have a dominant team to speak of.
Yea... now that I think of it, the ACC would have to be it. At least UCLA beat Tennessee (albeit now that isn't saying much). Bob was right on top of that one.
Loney 18
Manny 17
Martin 16
Kent 15
Ethier 15
Kemp 14
DeWitt 14
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/cyHv
12t. Billingsley 1
Also, a McDonald sighting in the bullpen, and nobody else is warming up. Elbert looks like he's in Torre doghouse for a little while longer.
(Eureka and Fringe, for those wondering)
Lincecum had a bad night. Hopefully this convinces Bochy to shut down Lincecum for the rest of the year. Since he won't reach 20 wins, or 19 wins.
his teammate Chan Ho Park back in 2001! He had 218 K's in 234 IP.
You'd have to go back to 1997 to find a player with 100+ IP with a better K/9 (Nomo with 233 K's in 207 1/3 IP).
Really? I was seriously expecting Kuo to make a PH appearance.
Bada ba ba baaaaaa!!!
I'm loving it!
He seems to pitch like a big leaguer too.
http://tinyurl.com/3s8eum
But McDonald's impressive-looking to me. I really look forward to seeing more of him next year.
Longer than these?
http://tinyurl.com/52e7pk
Okay, I guess you really do think I was being serious.
RIP Wally Hilgenberg
Old Man Berroa is the only one on the outside looking in but even he has a walk.
>>Saito may soon be joined in Los Angeles' bullpen by Hong-Chih Kuo (let triceps stiffness), who said he felt good on Tuesday but has yet to cut loose with his best stuff.
Kuo, who has pitched once in the past 16 days, played catch before the game and is expected to throw off a mound any day.
Torre said Kuo may be available on Tuesday, but he does not expect that.<<
From Dodgers.com.
At the worst, IF the Dodgers clinch a playoff berth before Sat or Sun I'm sure he'll pitch one of those games. IF.
Someone has to file down Torre's toe calluses.
But he has been on way longer than September.
Anybody seen I Love LA?
http://www.beloblog.com/Pe_Blogs/prosports/mlb/dodgers/
Magic Number: 3
Or 3 'good' outcomes out of 10 possible.
5 games remain.
The lead and magic number are the same. This is very good news.
The Dodgers need two wins and one D'Backs loss to clinch Thursday night at Dodger Stadium.
Three is the magic number,
Yes it is, it's the magic number.
Somewhere in the ancient, mystic trinity
You get three as a magic number.
I've always found this Schoolhouse Rock to be not sufficiently edgy.
Dodger Stadium is still very much Dodger Stadium. You can still pee in a trough. The exterior of the stadium hasn't changed much.
The differences in the field dimensions aren't that jarring.
And the place still looks old in parts.
That's not the real Blind Melon. Not same without Shannon.
We'll do it again tomorrow.
Yeah.
--
Btw, I always liked De La Soul's take on "Three is the Magic Number" a lot, too.
His bit on Michael Jackson is great.
YAY!
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-dodfyi24-2008sep24,0,7493099.story
You're just setting these up on a D4Tee.
There's no quit in Andruw Jones?
That's hilarious.
Bad joke.
For fans of Bob Dylan (or anyone who likes free things), there is a new Bob Dylan mp3, released today, available for free at Amazon.com.
http://tinyurl.com/4blvkz
I'll bet Bob is a Dodger fan. Didn't he write "(Chris) Gwynn the Eskimo"?
if anything, I'm glad all parties are taking this serious.
vr, Xei
Go math!
I'd rather be 3 up with 5 to play than 4 1/2 up with 15 to play. And that was a good day! But this is much better.
Tonight, I sat with Jacob Burch and one of his friends in my DodgerTalk Call of Night seats (free Infield Reserve, Mon-Thurs). I got there just in time to hear Vin salute Dr. Frank Jobe.
As Vin would say, the seats were barely warm when Chad got Giles to hit into a DP. After Martin hit the ground rule double, I said to Jacob, well, he'll walk Manny to face Ethier. So we waited to see the catcher raise 4 fingers and instead in got down into a crouch.
Before I could say, "I guess they are pitching to Manny, Manny rips a line drive into left center, both runs score and the game was never in doubt. Another walk and then Jacob said that on the third pitch Nomar will hit a home run.
On the third pitch Nomar hit a home run.
When Chad had 1st and 3rd, 1 out, I thought Chad would just bunt to more DeWitt over, Jacob and I both agreed you can't trust Chad to get a squeeze bunt down. Then I see Casey Blake running and Chad bunting, what a play.
After that it was wondering if McDonald would pitch (he did), if Stults would pitch (he didn't), how many tickets sold (48K+) and what the mood was on DT.
One more game for me this regular season.
Looking forward to ending my journey to Dodger Stadium like I entered it on Opening Day, with a win.
What's that?
...a dinosaur.
He's good as gone. Hopefully Logan is the choice.
Where are these comments?
Gracias.
--
So I scanned this popular Cubs blog just for the heck of it and one of the fan posts was asking which team they'd prefer to face in the playoffs. Most of the comments were fairly predictable and even rational. But there's some real ignoramuses, too. Including this guy, chastising a fellow Cubs fan for saying Dodgers rotation scares him more than Mets:
"you would rather face johan, pedro, maine over lowe, kuroda, and billingsley? you are CRAZY
lowe doesn't scare me, i don't care how hot he is ..kuroda hasn't proved anything yet and i'm not even going to address chad billingsley"
That last one made me actually post a comment there, I just couldn't take it.
Wonderful wonderful game to go to live. The Bob Carpenter book is 1-0 (2-0 if we count TV games), even though it got a little water on it which caused me to ask BH for about half of the scoreboxes.
The third pitch called shot was my best since the David Ross walk off. I was this close to saying it would be to the Universal Studios sign as well, which is just about where he hit it. Ah well.
Going with my Dad thursday it sounds like--just surprised me on a text message. Could be two very different games depending on what happens in St.Loius!
Yes, ruining Cubs fans lives would be excellent. Especially, Billingsley domination.
And bring us luck on Thursday if you go -- you never know, that could be the one!
I'll be perfectly happy watching Jason Repko and Hu start on Friday night because that would mean good things happened for the Dodgers, though it would be fun to see a clinching game in person. But one game at a time, one game at a time. Night folks.
http://tinyurl.com/3ude85
I would assume the Mets would go something like Santana, Martinez, Perez, and Pelfrey.
http://tinyurl.com/4cqxvw
Nice call, JB on the Nomar HR and creating the "Timmermann Win" moniker.
That means absolutely nothing. Remember, DePo had three full years left when he was canned.
True, but that was before McCourt was broke...
Where did those chickens go?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SLN/SLN196309180.shtml
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3606294
About 3 years too late, but good move.
It'd be quite a bit of irony for McCourt to fire Colletti due to the playoff profits generated.
Odds of finishing...
Arizona
5-0 5.0%
4-1 21.1%
3-2 34.7%
2-3 27.5%
1-4 10.3%
0-5 1.4%
Dodgers
5-0 8.8%
4-1 28.2%
3-2 35.0%
2-3 21.2%
1-4 6.2%
0-5 0.7%
The Dodgers have a 36.3% chance of clinching at home, and a 72% chance of clinching with no help.
...leaving less money to spend on the Dodgers. Adios, Señor Santana.
Yankees Senior VP Hank Steinbrenner isn't all that impressed that Joe Torre has the Dodgers on the brink of the playoffs in his first season managing in L.A.
"I'm happy for Joe, but you have to compare the divisions and the competition," the bombastic Baby Boss says in a guest column in the new Sporting News magazine, which hits newsstands this week.
"What if the Yankees finish the season with more wins than the Dodgers but the Dodgers make the playoffs? Does that make the Dodgers a better team? No."
http://tinyurl.com/hankthewhiner
Other than that, McCourt's new company just won a city contract to operate the Marathon, so to use the term "bought" the marathon is inaccurate and there was also no timetable set on when the reimbursement of those expenses needed to be paid.
I plead the fifth! 1,2,3,4, FIFTH!
646 Speaking of running a franchise in the ground....
649 I'm still betting that the team needs to win a playoff round for Ned to survive.
That would be kinda hard, since the Dodgers play in L.A. which is on the west coast. The AL East is a division made up of American league teams on the east coast.
Good teams find ways to win... their division. =)
Plus, yeah, all that east coast travel would be hard on them. :-/
Plus, shut up Hank.
Yeah, it sounds like a lot of "woulda coulda shoulda" to me.
The Yankees have nothing to complain about, and that argument in particular is completely hollow. Go back to 16 teams, no interleague, and no DCS and LCS, and maybe you stop that argument.
I maybe wrong because I think of this years Twins for example, they thought they had no shot to win the divison because of how good Clev, Det, and maybe even Chi were supposed to be so they unloaded Johan.
So, if the Dodgers were in the AL East, Ned wouldn't care about "speed and athleticism" and would care about getting on base and hitting for power...?
I dunno. I think Ned carries his philosophy with him wherever he goes.
Hank can spin it anyway he wants but his team got beat out by a team who makes less then his 3rd baseman.
Yes.
I can't freaking wait much longer. I heard ATP New York was amazing.
I already have a bet in place with my pal who's a Sox fan that we will not get swept. He said, "If they played it would be a sweep, look at that team they have too many fake players."
Also saw Okkervil River last night which was great but I didn't get to bed until 2am because of it.
Your friend and that Cubs fan who disrespected Chad Billingsley should be locked in a basement somewhere and forced to watch highlights from the Dodgers 88 season on repeat for several days straight, (followed by repeated "Diff'rent Strokes" reruns for added torture).
2- Indian fans
1- Red Sox fan
1- Yankee fan
3- Dodger fans
But of the current roster, probably Delwyn Young or maybe Manny with someone else playing the field for him.
688 I just hope we clinch by Sunday so he can have a day off. Dude could use a break.
She's fired!
that's crazy man...
IF they make the playoffs.
(Whew, almost forgot to type that.)
However, I still like to be as objective as possible. Assuming they win the division, I would argue that the Dodgers might be the weakest of the 8 teams in the playoffs (maybe except for the Mets). The Red Sox, Rays and Cubs are FAR better teams. The Dodgers would indeed be long ago eliminated if they had to play half their schedule against competition as tough as the AL East. I'm all for optimism and confidence, but a little humility isn't a bad thing either. The Dodgers have had a terrific September, but they've been pounding on crummy teams all month. They haven't played a team with a winning record since getting humiliated in four straight by the Phillies Aug. 22-25.
No more relaying your dumb friend's 5th grade level commentary on the Dodgers. Please.
Thanks in advance,
MC Safety
Cubs fan wants to play the Dodgers because they have a bunch of journeymen starters.
They lead the NL in ERA.
I believe it's called "Joe Buck covers the World Series."
Just because the Dodgers aren't objectively as good as the Cubs or Phillies, doesn't mean they can't win a playoff series against them. Believe me, I'm as fired up as anyone!
With special guest star, Tim McCarver.
Ardoin. But you know what, i think he's a better catcher then Bennett that's for sure.
Previous high winning percentage I've found is 1965's .733 (22-8).
Don't worry about his comments. The Yankees are 6 games behind the WC leaders and are about 6 wins below average fielding as a team due to their three DHs (Abreu, Giambi, Sexson) that they trotted out on the field this year.
vr, Xei
Superstition (Latin superstitio, literally "standing over"; derived perhaps from standing in awe; used in Latin as a unreasonable or excessive belief in fear or magic, especially foreign or fantastical ideas, and thus came to mean a "cult" in the Roman empire) is a belief or notion, not based on reason or knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition
I've never seen the movie, just checked out the Wikipedia plot line for the movie, sounds entertaining.
The Nationals are still going to draw over 2.2 million.
2.2 million > 740,000
Now, that said, the cosmic baseball gods are vengeful, so I have taken it upon myself to purge the sins of the DT commentariat. If you'll excuse me, I have to go find a quiet place at work where I can sacrifice this goat (my cubicle is just too small).
The Mets pen is 100% soft underbelly!
So if the Dodgers and DBacks both won their next two games, the magic number would be 1 for Friday's game right?
Not that I'm rooting for that or anything.
Jason Bartlett
Manny will go Pujols on Lidge and give him nightmares all over again. Just like Wagner, Lidge will cave again.
That said I'd also rather face the Mets but then we start sounding like Cub fans who say they would rather face us and I hate that.
I'm just glad that we are in the playoffs, picking who we'd rather play sounds like something Disabled List's Baseball Gods would frown on. I'd rather they smite the Cub fans for being cocky then us. I was just cocky about winning the division with a 90% of doing so. Not like I was out on a limb or anything.
Joe P was all over that yesterday.
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/09/23/bartlett-equals-skippy/
Are you letting work get in your way of timely information?
Thursday's game is sold out. Limited tickets remain from tonight.
Clayton
Kuroda
Wade
DeWitt
I think most of us would have bet that LaRoche would have been the guy on March 1st. At least he brought us our MVP thank you very much.
>>
I just want to announce here on this blog, that if any baseball analyst of any kind tells me that "you really have to watch Jason Bartlett play every day to understand how much he means to this team," and that same analyst is found drowned at the bottom of my hot tub the next morning, and...<<
Well, just read the rest.
DeWitt is your ROY, followed by Kuroda, Wade, Kershaw, and Young.
DeWitt has had a pretty roller-coaster rookie year. It's sort of instructive to divide the season into four parts for him.
1st quarter: Lifesaver.
2nd quarter: Mildly annoying.
3rd quarter: Not on the team.
4th quarter: Lifesaver.
Nah, sorry, for real: how specific has MLB been in a playoff schedule so far? I can just see that games are to start on 10/1. Just wondering if LA (er...the "NL West winner") would be playing Friday and/or Saturday of the following weekend.
Only mildly annoying in the 2nd qtr? If he had hit the wall any harder he'd be Wile E. Coyote.
The NL schedules have the same pattern, so it's just a matter of figuring out the pairings and then TBS deciding on when to show each game.
Game 1: Wed, 10/1
Game 2: Thu, 10/2
Game 3: Sat, 10/4?
2nd quarter: Mildly annoying.
3rd quarter: Not on the team.
4th quarter: Lifesaver.
This made me wonder how many players have enjoyed such a season. Considering injuries, etc. some of the names could be HOF names.
>>So, well, OK, couch spectator Manny Ramirez apparently forgot which pennant race he was playing in.
And, OK, so neither did Angel Berroa, who was stressing so much he was flying a remote helicopter near his locker.<<
Neither did...? That really doesn't match with the previous paragraph, Bill, does it?
Sigh.
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