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Looks like the first three games of the National League Championship Series have been given start times. I haven't seen these officially announced, but I have seen them from SI.com and Tony Jackson of the Daily News.
Game 1: Thursday, 5 p.m.
Game 2: Friday, 1 p.m.
Game 3: Sunday, 5 p.m.
That's right: Day game during the week, night game on the weekend, and less than a day between games 1 and 2.
The American League Championship Series begins Friday night.
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I've seen some tsk-tsking about the white rally towels the Dodgers gave fans to wave during Saturday's NL Division Series finale, as if they were beneath us. Perhaps in theory that's true, but it's not as if the Dodgers haven't been doing gimmicky giveaways for years. (I have the old towels to prove it.) That includes blue thundersticks at one point, which were really the nadir: so unpleasant as to become self-defeating.
I'm pro-organ, anti-wave, etc. But at some point I think we can become too holier than thou. The towels were a unifying tool that absolutely contributed to the energy we all felt Saturday, yet didn't get in the way of anyone just trying to watch the game (except perhaps for distracting the players on the field). Sure, we might have had good energy without them, but attending a baseball game isn't a closed-book final exam. As gimmicks, they were fun for thousands who liked them and fairly harmless for those who didn't.
Some people thought the Dodgers crossed a line with the giveaway, but I didn't. If they're good enough for the 1970s Steelers, they're good enough for me.
Next up: a blue-out, where the Dodgers try to get everyone to show up to the game wearing blue.
Phillies 46.2%
Dodgers 53.8%
Dodgers are at 21.6% to win the whole smack, still behind the two AL East teams.
gotcha, thanks
I would have liked blue towels, but I believe white towels are cheaper.
Added bonus: they make great gym towels when you get home.
Then again, I might just leave early anyway. Decisions, decisions!
We could have a "Sweet Caroline" karaoke contest!
I think Jon was a Rams fan back in the day, but is agnostic regarding the NFL now.
You mean Loney sitting against the LHP? I don't think Torre will bench James "2 GWRBI" Loney in Game 1, but might in Game 3.
I can see Kent talking his way into the lineup for Game 1, but I can also see Torre not wanting to disrupt his undefeated playoff lineup.
Right, if we have towels lets at least make them blue. Even the Clippers make the effort to make theirs red.
Put me down as someone who doesn't feel the rally towels are beneath us but someone who feels they take away energy instead of delivering it. With everyone waving towels, no one is clapping and I've always felt the clapping and yelling is what makes the best crowd noise. The crowd was very active but I've been to louder games and I blame the rally towels for sedating the noise.
The Fernando tribute was outstanding! I also really enjoyed the "great moments" montage (not just due to the Steve Perry factor) and the Lasorda piece as well, although his tumble as all-star 3B coach should have been included too. :)
The one bad thing for LCS so far is that game #2 - day game on Friday. No vacation/sick time at work stored up. I'll have to get updates in the afternoon on Gameday, I guess. I have tickets for Sunday! Congratulations to the Dodgers for their first postseries win in 20 years.
We need a split in Philly to feel good about coming home for Game 3. Phillies pose some different matchup problems for us and this series will be a more difficult test as the Phillies do not have the weight of all those expectations the Cubs did. Also, the bandbox of a park plays to their advantage and the Dodgers will have to play and pitch and hit better than they did in late August if they are going to capture a game in Philly.
I prefer our west cost beach balls over rally towels
I'm angrily shaking my fist in your direction now. :)
I think this series is a great chance to finally payback the Phillies for this game:
http://tinyurl.com/2wsvzb
No one picked the Phillies to win the World Series.
Aren't the Phillies still wanting payback from 77/78?
As for the game and my subsequent emotional reaction, let's just say that if LA is lucky enough to win the World Series this year, I am going to be an absolute wreck. Just winning a playoff series pushed me to the point of tears. Go Blue!
Could be that AL has home field advantage. Would be interesting to see the odds if NL had home field advantage.
1) Mike Schmidt
2) Greg Luzinski playing LF ten feet from the foul line, and facing the foul line
3) Don Carman tripping while running the bases and face planting into 3B
4) The Phillie Phanatic crashing his ATC and taking a header over the front
5) The blown 11-1 game, in the days when CNN Headline Sports at :20 and :50 of each hour provided updates
6) The Pete Rose catch in foul territory off of Bob Boone's glove, followed by Rose bouncing the ball off the turf like a basketball
I was the only one to pick them to make it to the WS.
The Squeeze® was included in the highlight montage, no? I could have sworn I saw it for a split second.
1950: Dodgers head into final day 1 game behind the Whiz Kid Phillies, but lost to Robin Roberts
1977: Payback for 1950
1978: Extra payback for 1950
1983: Phillies' payback for 1978
1991: Phillies have the nerve to come back when the Dodgers have an 11-1 lead in the 8th
2008: Dodgers turn
Myron Cope... oh how I'll miss him!
Wow, Jon likes the Steelers too? This is pretty cool. I'm a big Steelers fan myself, and I always said if the Rams came back here, they'd be my second team.
One thing I didn't learn until just a year ago: the Steelers had terrible towels way back in the 70's. I didn't find out until I saw a replay of Super Bowl XIII and Curt Gowdy mentioned them.
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Something SOSG mentioned and I noticed it too: Did you guys know the Dodgers didn't flash the "make some noise" sign even once? Not a one. The crowd brought it big time on Saturday night, and I couldn't be more proud of them!
We also didn't have a single wave during the game.
I agree, maybe the guy they brought from Boston to help market the club. For once they were classy. I've always wondered how you can't match up a Fernando montage with that cheezy Fernando song. The best part however was Fernando really responding to the crowd. In the past he would just give a little wave, this time he seemed moved but maybe I'm projecting my own emotion.
I think it would be cool to have The Infield™ all throw out first pitches simultaneously, especially since they were such a big part of the 77/78 teams that beat the Phillies. However, Davey Lopes is the first base coach for Philly so that might be tough. :)
Just a little little.
Davey looked good. I think he and my Dad were diagnosed around the same time. I don't know what treatment Davey choose but my Dad used the radioactive seeds and they worked. Only problem now is that his plumbing is out of kilter and he won't be making any plans outside of the house that take more then two hours.
Did you see the Phillies had Mitch Williams throw out the first pitch at one of their home games? That was shocking to me.
My cousin suggested Joe Carter should have been standing in the batters' box.
And I owe my own special thanks to the Dodgers, because in retrospect 8/25/95 was probably the day I fully recovered from that 2-2 pitch to Carter...
Also, I loved the new photography on the screen when the players came to bat. No more Media Guide headshots -- instead, action shots and highlights from the season. It was sharp.
Also, +1 on the confusion about why anyone would hate the rally towels. I waved my towel and had fun doing it while the bride cheered. Then I passed the towel to Bride of Kavula and she waved it while I cheered.
SLG vs. non-fastballs (2008 postseason)
Team SLG
Dodgers .529
Rays .472
Red Sox .452
Phillies .442
White Sox .344
Angels .324
Cubs .214
Brewers .211
I'm pretty sure all the tributes were new. I was at a few games in the last homestand and they were showing the same homerun highlight reels from the rest of the year I think. I agree with everyone that the new tributes were great. And the rally towels as well. I was sitting deep in the reserve section out in left field and even from that far away there was a constant roar- people shouting as loud as they could the whole game. It was amazing. There were quite a few Cubs fans in attendance but Dodger fans really did there part to make it feel like an electrice home game.
I'm heading to NYC on Wednesday and will be on a train to Philly thursday. Let's hope it's a safe and triumphant game for the DTers who make it there. Can't wait to see some of you at Chickie and Petes.
I'm more of a clap guy, so much so that my hands hurt after a game sometimes. It's a good feeling.
Generally speaking, the crowd near my seats can be tough on people rooting for the opposite side. They reserve their worst judgement for fans of NL West opponent fans, of course, but really, all other teams are in for at least the "_______ Suck" chant.
And don't get me wrong -- there was plenty of "Cubbies Suck" going on (which I found a little odd -- isn't "Cubbies" the terms of endearment reserved for fans of that team?) as well as some scattered booing of folks in Cubs paraphernalia. It happened...
...but generally, the crowd was very well-behaved -- the best I've seen in a while. I'm sure this was entirely due to the fact that the team was in the playoffs with a 2-0 lead in the series and had the lead for the entire game... but still, Dodgers and Cubs fans should be friends, and on Saturday night, we were.
Except that the tickets cost more.
I watched the video of future Dodger Stadium a few times now and I have no clue what they are doing other then the fact it looks pretty on paper.
I still don't know how feasible that whole CF entrance is going to be. There still needs to be a batters eye, and in all the drawings thus far it doesn't look like they've accounted for that.
My hat is especially off to the guy two rows in front of me, who showed the right way to rub it in: gently, gently, gently, and always with a hey-we're-all-friends smile. I'm not sure I could pull that off without coming off the wrong way, so I don't rub it in at all, but this guy really did it well.
Part of my non-waving demeanor is because I am keeping score so I don't really have a free hand to wave the towel without upsetting all my stuff.
But like most, I appreciated everyone doing it from the beginning of the game.
An aside, when Kuroda had two strikes on Lee or Ramirez in the first, many of the people in my section stood up and waved their towels, I could hear behind me, someone saying, you're standing already, its only the 1st inning.
By the 9th inning everyone was standing.
On the way out of the stadium a large Cub fan and his young son were headed to the parking lot. I heard his son ask why they had stayed to watch the Dodgers celebrate. He replied that you don't often get to see a team celebrate a win at home so even if they were the Dodgers it should be enjoyed.
My wife was impressed and apologized to him for our team winning.
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2008/10/5/628527/i-was-at-the-game-tonight
That's a pretty cool story.
I went to the 2005 ALCS clincher in Anaheim, but since my brother was driving I missed almost all of the White Sox celebration. I wanted to stay; I mean, how often do you get to see a team clinch a pennant in person?
Makes it easier for the 4 guys that painted their stomachs.
Not that I'm an expert in crowd control but I'm amazed at the lack of preemptive crowd control at DS. If the ushers had wireless sets hooked into the real security they could easily identify potential trouble spots and have them warned very early on. From a fans perspective it is easy to see where the trouble is going to come from. I saw several Cub fans ejected but I'm sure it was because they finally retaliated against constant hazing.
Thanks, I thought I was just not getting it.
All Hands on Deck, or Johnny Wholestaff
There was a Cub fan sitting next to the Cub fan I brought with me. The foreign Cub fan was your classic Chicago fan. Gave no credit to the Dodgers. Thought the Dodgers bull pen was lousy. I stopped talking to him. The only saving grace he had was that he was scoring.
It is more fun beating those kind of fans. The bitterness of losing to an inferior team will fester with him all winter. If he just admitted that the Cubs lost to a superior team he would sleep better this winter.
I think they were referring to the video shown at the stadium Saturday. There is more information here, including a video with drawings but I don't think it's the same one shown two nights ago.
http://tinyurl.com/4s55sj
That makes me sad.
I find that really upsetting. I have to say, I was embarassed many times this season with the way certain Dodger fans treated visiting club's fans. Some friendly chiding is of course acceptable, and if the fans taunt the crowd I think they probably deserve what they get, but too often I see quiet respectful visitors to our park get things thrown at them and overly agressive fans yelling in their face. It's so embarassing.
I don't believe that curses are real or have the power to make teams lose games. But it is still a fact that the Cubs were cursed. There was a guy, and he cursed the Cubs. (To no effect.)
Everyone, til Jon made you feel like crap about it.
Closest thing is the link in 99
As Loney came up with some big hits in the 1st series it might be Kent or Nomar doing the damage against Hamels/Moyer.
http://tinyurl.com/4cjlo9
87/etc. - I have a BleedCubbie log in but don't really feel like posting there, but I'm sorta tempted to do so. Does anyone else have a FanNation log in who was at the game, feel like posting something there?
I see this series coming down to the bullpens. We are obviously going to have to put up runs to stay with them, but I see at least a few games going into the later innings still undecided (something that really didn't happen with Chicago until game 3).
To stay consistent, I feel the Phillies deserve to be favored. One Weismanesque thought to end on, however: With a longer series, we should expect several momentum-changing moments. Last series it was Loney's slam and everything afterwards. This time around, it will likely more be complex.
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That is a good point, and I am sure that some Cubbie fans would be the same.
What a game. My voice was hoarse, and when the last 98mph fast ball whipped by, I turned to my boyfriend in disbelief.
"We won...? We actually - WE WON!!!! WE WON!!!"
I was in field level seats, thanks to njr, and stayed until the bitter end, shrieking, yelling, jumping, high-fiving.
Martin and Kemp reappearing, and leaping into the stands to spray champagne was a post-game highlight, as was this little voice suddenly, somewhat quietly in the middle of the hub-bub stating over the speaker system,"My name is Hiroki Kuroda. Thank you very much."
Just a great, great game. And btw, I had two towels waving and an old foam finger pointing throughout, mustering whatever mo-jo/ju-ju I could, along with giving foamy claps and rebel yells.
Also, I highly recommend bringing a big bunch of grapes to the game - gives you an opportunity to continually stuff your face nervously, without winding up with a regrettable belly full of peanuts or garlic fries at game's end.
Go Dodgers! Happy 50th anniversary to us all.
BP gives the Dodgers 53% of winning the NLCS.
We would have appreciated a hit from Andre during the series.
Philly -145
Dodgers +135
Over/Under 7.5
And I hate to say it, but:
Kuo : Dodgers-Phils :: Andrew Bynum : Lakers-Celtics
But don't you expect us to also make hay against anybody not named Hamels/Lidge.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/45qzv5
Starting on the Road
1974: Won two in Pittsburgh, including a Sutton shutout in Game 1
1978: Won two in Philly, including a Tommy John shutout in Game 2
I think we see a clear pattern here. :)
Starting at Home
1977: Lost Game 1 in the 9th (Elias Sosa allowed a Schmidt RBI single followed by a balk), won Game 2 handily, 7-1
1981: Won Game 1 5-1 behind Burt Hooton and HRs from Guerrero and Scioscia; got shutout by Montreal's Ray Burriss in Game 2
1983: Steve Carlton outdueled Jerry Reuss 1-0 in Game 1; Fernando and the boys rebounded for a 4-1 win in Game 2
1985: Dodgers won 4-1 and 8-2, no doubt crushing the hopes of the Cardinals
1988: Orel extended his streak to 67 innings before Jay Howell blew a 2-0 lead in the 9th of Game 1; Dodgers jumped on David Cone for 5 runs in the first two innings and won Game 2, 6-3
Dodgers +135
It's almost like I'm destined to attend the World Series for free.
Granted, a best-of-seven series is not the long run, but that's even more to the point... anything can happen.
If the Dodgers lose, it will be because (a) The Phillies are a better team than the Dodgers and/or (b) they outplay the Dodgers. Pitching around Manny will have little to do with it.
Now walking them every time with two outs is another story.
This could be a very, very interesting series.
But I'm all ears! I'm thinking Thursday at 3. Or 2:30 if people are paranoid about missing the first pitch.
Not having Kuo would be a huge letdown. Biemel was great agains the Phillies big lefties this year, but he's not good for more then an inning. I have faith that Lowe, Bills, and Kuroda can at least keep us in the game, but after the 5th inning, those left handed bats could be the difference, esp. without Kuo.
The "leaving-early" canard is tried and true, but false. From our seats I could clearly see the Academy Drive and Stadium Way exit lanes and they were empty, or virtually so, until the end of the game. From my seat in the last row, I could also turn around and see the departures through the Reserved Gate, and they didn't start until the bottom of the eighth -- and most of them were people wearing Cub gear! Moreover, about 20 percent of the crowd if not more hung around to wait for the Dodgers to retake the field after the champagne celebration.
The Cub fan writing that lament 87 linked to saw what he saw, so I can't challenge it. I can only speak to the behavior of a few hundred people in my sight lines. However, if you read what he said he objected to, I'd have to call him a bit oversensitive. What did he expect, a hug?
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