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Given the way the Dodgers have been before this year, this could be his last NLCS (or playoff series, for that matter). Joe Buck doesn't even LIKE baseball, he can sit at home.
142 You made me look at the '21 Yankees. They led the league with 481 K's in 1364 IP. Supposedly the strike zone was arm pits to knee's back than too. Dude's must been throwing the 70s back than.
Lowe stood in front of his teammates, with the Dodgers leading the Cubs two games to none, and said, "Listen, I've been down 0-2, 0-2 and 0-3 and we've won the series each time: [against] Cleveland, Oakland and New York. All we needed each time was a reason to think we were going to win. Right now they [the Cubs] know they're in trouble, and they're looking for a reason to think they can win. Don't give it to them. I've seen teams leading 2-0, 3-0 all of a sudden start changing their game. I don't want to see that. I don't want you to think, 'Oh, it's O.K. if we lose this one because we'll just get 'em tomorrow.' Don't give them any reason to think they can win."
Pretty... pretty... sweet!
149. dzzrtRatt
87 I was in what is usually the rowdiest part of the stadium, there were Cub fans mixed into it, and I saw absolutely nothing happen that Dodger fans should be embarrassed about.
The "leaving-early" canard is tried and true, but false. From our seats I could clearly see the Academy Drive and Stadium Way exit lanes and they were empty, or virtually so, until the end of the game. From my seat in the last row, I could also turn around and see the departures through the Reserved Gate, and they didn't start until the bottom of the eighth -- and most of them were people wearing Cub gear! Moreover, about 20 percent of the crowd if not more hung around to wait for the Dodgers to retake the field after the champagne celebration.
The Cub fan writing that lament 87 linked to saw what he saw, so I can't challenge it. I can only speak to the behavior of a few hundred people in my sight lines. However, if you read what he said he objected to, I'd have to call him a bit oversensitive. What did he expect, a hug?
I remember that Vin did the World Series for CBS Radio during the 90's. So he was still a big part of the National Scene up until, you'll love this, ESPN Radio took over National Radio broadcast rights in 1998.
From the last thread - Molly, I think the game is actually at 8PM ETZ. So you might be spending a lot of the time at the bar if you get there at 2PM. Not like there's anything wrong with that.
I'll probably get to Chickie and Pete's around 5:30 - 6PM on Thursday. Will DTers still be there then?
And then Jon Heyman died in a pothole.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/10/06/heyman.dodgers/index.html
11 You should post that on BleedCubbieBlue if you can. Or I can post it for you.
I did find the CC Sabathia discussion at the bottom interesting, though. Can you imagine how insane the staff of the Giants would be if they added Sabathia? Only problem is, he could also probably bat 5th.
High praise. High praise indeed.
Even if Vin wants it and the networks want it, I don't know if such a thing is possible. Wouldn't the broadcasters have something in their contracts guaranteeing that they will be the ones calling the action? I don't know how they would feel if they were asked to step aside...
...but maybe they'd feel just fine about it. I could certainly see a scenario where Scully is invited into the booth for an "interview" and then calls an inning or two. It could definitely happen.
Now I've seen everything.
Btw, speaking of Vin, do we know if he'll be making the trip to Philly to call parts of those games on the radio, at least?
I know that's one of the reasons he hasn't generally called post-season games, is not wanting to do as much travel. But seems like he's making the effort for the Dodgers this post-season.
So, they are the only professional athletes who got years of praise and kid-glove treatment. Interesting. They must be really good then.
I saw it happening, because you had the Torre Factor, the Manny Factor, the 50 years of Dodger Moments factor, the LA factor, and so on.
Oh yes, when I think of the Phillies I think of:
1) The Phillie Phanatic
2) Mike Schmidt smacking home runs
3) Steve Carlton
4) Fans booing Santa Claus
5) The Vet and its dangerous Astro Turf
6) Harry Kalas
7) Boy Meets World
8) Jim Halpert
9) 10,000 losses!
My recurring thought throughout the series broadcast was that those three guys hadn't seen the Dodgers play all year. Or at least in the last six weeks. They routinely butchered names, botched story lines, and even managed to list Hu as the starting 2nd basemen on Saturday. Darling was OK but hardly insightful, Gwynn may be a nice guy but should never by allowed inside an announcers booth, and the 3rd guy (Stockton?) seemed like he'd rather be playing golf except when he got super excited on every routine fly ball hit. The scary thing was that as mediocre as the announcing crew was, the "analysts" were ten times worse. Someone should notify TBS that ex-players often make really poor analysts; they were so bad that they made Kevin Kennedy and Lyons seem highly professional.
Of course, I can easily live with TBS' cruddy broadcast team, if the Dodgers keep playing like they did against the Cubs.
This brings up a very, very important question. Are the Phillies the saddest franchise of all time?
Their all-time .470 winning percentage is bad -- tied for third-worst with Colorado and Seattle, and only San Diego's 462 and Tampa's .417 (!) are worse.
What's more, despite being around so long, Philly has only five pennants and one championship in the franchise's long history.
I mean, the Braves also spent years in the wilderness, but they've pulled themselves nearly even (.499 all-time, 39 games under .500) and have 17 pennants and 3 championships all time.
They have a good club this year, but over the course of baseball history, has anyone been more mediocre than the Phillies?
I open the floor to discussion.
Do we have any update on Kuo's status? Just hoping to get some positive news, having him in the pen could be critical to the NLDS!
Thanks in advance!
This is the logic that makes me reluctant to wear Dodgers garb around Phillies fans on Thursday.
The Dodgers are hopeful of reinstating left-handed reliever Hong-Chih Kuo to the active roster, although he has pitched only once in the past four weeks because of persistent discomfort in his left triceps area. Kuo, who has had four elbow operations, is expected to throw off a mound Monday for the first time in three weeks.
Interesting.
The amount of technical incompetence I noticed on TBS blew me away. Even simple things, like what levels the ambient crowd noise should be mixed at, and the camera operators' inabilty to track fly balls to the outfield. The direction was lousy too; often I saw them cutting to a camera that wasn't set up right, so the viewers all saw jarring camera movement. This is all without even discussing how bad the announcers were.
TBS put together a good studio show, I'll give them that. I wouldn't mind seeing them take over for the Baseball Tonight circus.
As an out of market Dodger fan I have to sync up Vin on Mlb.Com audio feed which is behind TV by 30-60 seconds. My comcast DVR is not the easiest to sync up but it was doable and made the last two innings on Saturday the best listening/viewing of Baseball in many a year.
Anyone's better than Tim "You're a real man Deion!" McCarver.
One of the greatest moments ever. Think about this: America was sick of McCarver way back in 1992! How he has somehow managed to be the lead baseball analyst on three different networks is beyond me.
Did McCarver criticize Deion? I never knew the backstory on it.
I'd really like to hear Al Leiter again, though; he was excellent in his appearances a couple of years ago.
If I remember correctly, the criticism had to do with Deion playing both with the Falcons and Braves at the time. I think he famously took a helicopter ride from a Falcons game to Atlanta Fulton-County Stadium for the NLCS game that night. McCarver called Deion selfish a few times throughout the series, and as a result, Deion went through the clubhouse with a bucket of water shouting, "Where McCarver?", before finding him and dumping the bucket on him.
Victorino is about 100 points of OPS better against lefties.
I just shook my head but where was Dodger security. A guy lit a cap on fire and held it up in the air and no one even notices, never mind tells him to put it out or eighty-sixs him. Are you kidding me?
Rollins as LHB
2008: .272/.352/.438
Career: .274/.330/.437
Flyin' Hawaiian as LHB
2008: .298/.355/.407
Career: .289/.346/.404
I used Baseball-Reference.com. You can click on any team page or search for a player. Once on a player page, there are drop down menus for either game logs or splits, and you can choose a specific year or their entire career. Here is Victorino's split page:
http://tinyurl.com/3ksqtf
Has anyone brought the idea of Vin announcing NLCS games to anyone in the Dodgers org?
Any Philly area people know where the best place to stay thursday night would be? Looking for something convenient to public transport and/or the stadium if not both.
Looking forward to meeting up with other DT'ers before the game...wherever that may be. Chickie and pete's?
Look forward to seeing you there.
vs RHB: .777
vs LHB: .695
Cole Hamels career OPS against:
vs RHB: .671
vs LHB: .742
Maybe Loney should start Game 1.
That's a class move by Mike and Mike. Should I spring the 15 bucks to get to archives of Vin calling the NLDS? Can you podcast game broadcasts?
I'm worried about Manny's slump. He didn't hit a home run in the last game and I only saw him take his bat off his shoulder once.
http://www.globenewswire.com/newsroom/news.html?d=151211
I could not imagine any other announcer in the sport today being able to say something like that. the deliver was absolutely perfect.
I've enjoyed TBS' sparing use of the extreme-super-closeup. Say goodbye to that on Thursday. We should be able to tell if Lowe has gotten over his cold symptoms.
Also, as bad as McCarver and others have been for so long, CBS fired Billy Packer, so there's hope.
well we can't control the media, I just hope we stay level headed and keep that "team mentality" we keep hearing about.
Kent and Nomar are each 0 for 6. (According to MLB.com)
The former. I was just wondering if the mlb audio service allows the broadcasts to be downloaded, so I can preserve them to listen to down the line.
I just wanted to make sure those of you who didn't attend Saturday night's game aren't misled into thinking Cub fan abuse was widespread. I really don't think it was.
There was a great vibe in the crowd and the parking lot, but it was all pro-Dodger, not anti- anyone else. The victory Friday put to rest 20 years of frustration and disappointment, so I didn't sense that many in the crowd wanted to take their emotions into such a negative place.
And I should say, the reverse was also true. The Cub fans I encountered were very polite and engaging. I had a great talk with a guy in a food line who was clearly yearning for his Cubbies to turn it around.
I am pleasantly surprised by the Boont Amber Ale from Trader Joe's. Much better than I expected.
I just love to enjoy the ride. Everything else is meaningless.
72 I remember a doubleheader against the Cubs in the 70s when some loud, obnoxious Cub fans were in the left field pavillion blowing a loud whistle and waving a pennant. Some fan grabbed the pennant out of their hands and lit it on fire. Nothing happened then, either.
Kent is the most extreme case and practically a non-entity now, as he sits and sulks by himself as a glum bench player. "He doesn't talk to anyone,'' a Dodgers insider said.
That's actually not quite true. The truth is, Kent shouldn't talk to anyone. When he does, he says dumb things like, "Vin Scully talks too much.'' Kent is also extremely close to owner Frank McCourt's wife, Jamie, who's also the club president. So in other words, the ornery pinch-hitter has the ability to double as a clubhouse informant -- more potential for messiness.
This is a much harder shot at Kent than the comments about the young guys.
"the Dodgers are and always have been a classy organization....congrats, coming from a Cubs fan."
I bet Rick Monday looked on in horror from CF and vowed never to let that happen on his watch again!
Plaschke will jump on any bandwagon.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke6-2008oct06,0,3178988.column
"The Herd" on ESPN Radio took Plaschke's contract year angle and ran with it. Not that an ESPN Radio show had much credence to start with, you know :)
LOL
I always have an internal debate with myself when I see that at a game. Is it worth trying to talk to this person about civility, or will I just end up getting a beat down? A lot of it depends if I am with a friend or my wife.
To me its a fine line but I don't think you should throw things at other people.
You can still register for a drawing to get the chance to buy them before they are released to the general public, or you can be part of a pre-sale by simply putting down a $1,000 deposit on season tickets for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4b23qb
Even when being obnoxious, UCLA fans can't help but be dorky. ; )
I'll probably stay away from the Holiday inn. Thanks for the info and looking forward to meeting some of the devoted DT contingent.
TBS
Very funny
I figure the guy must own the company because you couldn't hire someone to put so much energy into something they didn't have a vested interest in. He is scorned and disliked by everyone.
Golden Needle pitches to the Golden God.
We had a series lead! This is not Pittsburgh.
Not surprising, the pavilion fans during 74/75 were notorious for being rowdy drunks. Jimmy Wynn had to give a speech one game to ask fans to behave. Fairly certain it was around that time when they stopped serving beer in the bleachers.
When I see so many broadcasters who come to predominance and be so lacking, it makes me realize that it happens frequently in every profession.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3629594
Say friends, I'm thinking of having fake grass installed in my yard. Does anyone have any experience with fake grass? Pros/Cons?
Thanks
I talked to him once and guess what-- he doesn't get paid to go to those games, and the company only pays for his ticket if it's a nationally televised game, and even then they don't always pay. He was complaining to me about this and how the company doesn't value him enough, etc. etc. Hilarious. And bizarre.
You know how some people have "crazy eyes" and when you make eye contact with them you know right away they're totally freakin' nuts? He's one of those.
http://tinyurl.com/3l7djq
Sounds pathetic but I'm not in his shoes. Would be interesting to know what his motivation is.
You must have been born a fan.
I am surprised it took so long for him to get hit by a bottle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNF_P281Uu4
- Joe Torre wouldn't announce his rotation and said he hasn't decided whether to go with a three-man rotation or four. Clayton Kershaw would be considered for Game 4 since the Phillies have far more tough left-handed hitters than the Cubs do.
- Hong-Chih Kuo remains a possibility to be activated for the series, and Torre said he'd likely be the only roster change.
- Torre didn't expect to remove anyone from the lineup in facing left-hander Cole Hamels, but the order could be juggled.
1 - it gets very hot - burnable hot
2 - it's less "green" than you think. Basically replacing planet cooling "grass" with artificial heat absorbing material.
Yes, it takes water to keep that lawn, but if I could, I'd dig up an "op-ed" column in the LATimes that had much more substance to back this up.
Just do a google map, and think of replacing all that green lawn with concrete or other non-green material.
Or get a permit to start growing fruits and vegetables in the front lawn. I would love that
This is a big country with thousands of different mini-climates and ecosystems. Seems weird to me that everybody everywhere, from Maine to Florida, from North Dakota to California, wants the same kind of landscaping.
With Ramirez, Blake, Lowe and Furcal, it seems that it is more likely they keep their pick and gain a few others.
If we re-sign Manny, I think that effectively blows our wad on signing any other type a free agent.
Re: 3b....I wouldn't mind looking into Dan Uggla from the Marlins and moving him to 3b. He's due for arbitration and Marlins probably don't want to keep him for much longer.
Protected First-Round Picks
1. Nationals (59-102)
2. Mariners (61-101)
3. Padres (63-99)
4. Pirates (67-95)
5. Orioles (68-93)
6. Giants (72-90)
7. Braves (72-90)
8. Reds (74-88)
9. Tigers (74-88)
10. Nationals (compensation for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Aaron Crow)
11. Rockies (74-88)
12. Royals (75-87)
13. Athletics (75-86)
14. Rangers (79-83)
15. Indians (81-81)
16. Diamondbacks (82-80)
Unprotected First-Round Picks
17. Dodgers (84-78)
18. Marlins (84-77)
19. Cardinals (86-76)
20. Blue Jays (86-76)
21. Astros (86-75)
22. Mariners (compensaton for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Joshua Fields)
23. Twins (88-75)
24. White Sox (89-74)
25. Mets (89-73)
26. Yankees (89-73)
27. Brewers (90-72)
28. Phillies (92-70)
29. Red Sox (95-67)
30. Rays (97-65)
31. Yankees (compensation for failure to sign 2008 first-rounder Gerrit Cole)
32. Cubs (97-64)
33. Angels (100-62)
I'm talking about the full on Front Yard farm. It's just so much wasted space
I don't see Florida making any money moves this winter. They are on the verge of becoming great again. I could see that rotation being the best in the NL very quickly. They don't get much pub but Nolasco, Johnson, and Volstad are a dynamite trio.
"Lets not take risks, lets keep Bavasi as GM, lets sign a mediocre starter like Carlos Silva a bunch of money to eat innings, etc."
On a related note, this was taken from the Elias Projections done by Detroit Tigers Thoughts:
Manny Ramirez (A)
Jeff Kent (B)
Casey Blake (B)
Rafael Furcal (B)
Derek Lowe (A)
Brad Penny (B)
Greg Maddux (B)
Joe Beimel (B)
Even if you think Penny is done, you have to bring him back just for depth purposes. If you lose out on the Sabathia/Sheets sweepstakes, we come into next year with McDonald and Stults as our four and five. It would be very un Ned like to take that kind of risk.
Boy is it a good thing the Dodgers made the NLCS. If they were at home watching the last expansion team make the 2008 LCS... that'd be depressing.
I hope Junior isn't done. If he is, then I'm officially old. One of my favorite ballplayers. Ever.
Whoa, seeing these Ray's celebration, it may be hard to convince them they can't go all the way!
For that matter, the Rays have a good chance to make it to the World Series along with the other three in their history (Rox, Dbacks, Marlins).
Industrious use of hyphens is key.
http://tinyurl.com/4293pe
Around 3:00 in the morning on Sunday, I was flipping through channels at my friend's place and Comedy Central was playing the Trailer Park Boys movie uncensored.
By the way, you have probably seen the ads for the movie Blindness. Don McKellar wrote the script.
Jeff Kent thinks he can play 2nd base now, and that defensive range is overrated. His veteransness would help him get to any balls as quick as any player with faster, and better rangy younger player.
I'm curious if anyone knows: if the credit markets have "seized up," how does that impact teams' abilities to make payroll? I have to assume they can't always dip into cash on hand to write those big checks every two weeks.
I believe it started at 1 or 1:30. Only time they would show an uncensored film on cable TV here.
Yeah I knew about McKellar and I saw him in a scene of the movie.
Jeff "A trash can can move faster than me" Kent.
ESPN did a story of it recently. Check "Impact of struggling economy on sports." One of the first teams getting caught is the Marlins.
It really depends on the question asked, to. I really doubt he's going to come out and say "Yeah, I suck, DeWitt should be playing over me."
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/09/kempkershaw-for.html
How could the 2005 Dodgers morph into the 2008 version?
How could the 2008 Dodgers become a juggernaut equal to the Cubs and Phils.
How can I redeem myself--I guess I need another forum to express myself. Can anyone recommend a political forum where what I say might matter?
I deleted a ridiculous statement the was probably political frustration, because I respect the rules here, Which make it such a marvelous forum.
Also, I have to admit now that I was secretly hoping for an El World Series, but I'd be happy with, hm, is it a US 5 Series? You don't have trains, right?
If it happened, I think we'd call it the "Freeway Series" or maybe the "I-5 Series."
What else might one think would be the cause of falling ratings for the World Series over the last decade? Even with Red Sox Nation (R) in the series and a really hot Colorado Rockies team last year, the World Series pulled an 18 share.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/ws/wstv.shtml
Just me clinging on to the very few dialectical differences American English has anymore. "The 5" v "US/I 5," et al. being one of the few.
Nah, it'll never catch on.
Meanwhile, over in Fenway in the bottom of the 4th:
JD Drew + Jason Bay < Manny.
My rambling was just the RI's use of "US 5," tis all.
Fun scoreless game thus far in Boston.
I have enough definite articles in there to suit me.
If the Red Sox had won the 1948 playoff against Cleveland what would that World Series have been nicknamed?
Soriano is likely to hear about it the most over the off-season.
"Yeah, it's tough," he said. "We tried, but it just didn't happen. We played all year like a very good team and we expected a little bit more, but it didn't happen."
While he didn't pass the buck, Soriano said he believes the Cubs were built for a marathon, not a sprint.
"We're a very good team for 162 games, but we don't do nothing after that," he said. "That's the difference. We're not put together for [a short series]."
MY TAKE:
in other words, let us play Pittsburgh and Washington and we'll win most of the time.
The remnants of Braves Field are on the BU campus.
I am to morphosyntactic studies what Bob is to historical plumping codes.
245 I know, I was just giving you a hard time.
http://insidethedodgers.mlblogs.com/
I will not be at Chickie and Pete's for seven hours in Dodger gear. The later start of the Thursday game creates some problems for me because I had hoped to sleep in my own bed Thursday night, and now it doesn't look like that is going to happen.
Could that also be "Roosevelt Ave to River Ave"?
Someone driving straight through could leave LA at 5 am on Tuesday and make it to Philly by midnight Wednesday/Thursday.
I bet there will never, ever be a MARC Series. And a BART Series doesn't look like it's coming around the corner, either.
I'm just nitpicking now. Sorry RIYank.
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I'm just not seeing the Angels getting past this round. First its the lack of power, now it's the defensive miscues. Where's Tim Salmon when you need him?
I live in Australia but am a big Dodgers fan (I lived in L.A. when I was young). We get MLB on cable here, but the games are on when I am at work.
Is my best bet for watching the games MLB.TV?
I managed to watch the Ustream broadcast of NASN a few days ago but that has not worked since then. And hot-corner is pretty ordinary.
Advice is appreciated.
If Kuo isn't a go, Kershaw will likely have to be the second lefty in the pen, so Greg Maddux would get the nod in Game 4. Lefty relievers are vital in this series because the Phillies have so many dangerous lefties in their lineup, beginning and ending with N.L. MVP candidate Ryan Howard, who had a monster September.
By the way, the schedule for the entire series has been set. Basically, all the games except for Game 2 start at 8 Eastern. That means all three games at Dodger Stadium (3, 4 and 5) will start at 5 Los Angeles time, while three of the four games at Citizens Bank Park, including Games 6 and 7, will start at 8 p.m. Philly time
Australians are welcome to sign up. Just make sure it's an Australian IP address and Australian credit card.
I also realized I probably should have said historic in my statement about linguistics. I'm going to my corner.
Unless you had two computers and a lot of bandwidth.
I don't recall what he said.
Paraphrased. I always thought baseball occurred on various nights of the week, and wasn't a Friday centralized thing.
There are only a handful of schools that play night games in baseball.
And most schools play baseball on Tuesday and Thursday. Or at least they did in my day. Friday is usually the day for track meets which require a lot more staff.
"3rd call, Boys B 440 yards. 2nd call, Girl A 200 yards."
Being a PA announcer for high school track was really boring, despite there being a lot to say.
259 Boy, I was hoping Maddux wouldn't start in game 4, but in that case it's hardly worth having him on the roster. It seems to make more sense to have Elbert there as the 2nd lefty and Kershaw as the 4th starter (if you don't use Lowe on 3 days rest). I think Torre would feel pretty shaky with 3 rooks in the pen though. I do think it would make sense to start Maddux v. the Angels or Rays.
Biemel and Kuo should be good enough for lefties.
(it's really comm ave to brookline ave, but whatever)
Maybe the Kenmore Series.
Red Sox/Rays - Friday
Stanford guy comes through.
LogikReader, I can't say, but I enjoyed Vin Scully's 9th inning call (in addition to the rest of the game). Just don't tell anybody.
http://www.botecomm.com/bote/ball/
For personal reasons I really wanted the cubs to lose as well so that played out nicely, but i also loathe philly. I guess basically the only team I enjoy watching besides the blue crew is the rays lol..
I am sure Bud Selig does not approve but that makes it that much greater. I listened to it live and considered it an instant classic.
"one sweet, beautiful, marvelous out away....
"not one sweet precious out but one sweet precious pitch..."
One step closer to Manny v. Nation showdown.
Dirk Hayhurst was claimed by the Blue Jays.
Awesome! Thank you so much for showing me that great link! I don't know how Vin does it... that was truly a great call.
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