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The Seattle Mariners have chosen Jack Zduriencik of Milwaukee as their new general manager over the Dodgers' Kim Ng and others.
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Check out the Sons of Steve Garvey 2008 Dodgers Yearbook.
The Dodgers will need a new GM sooner rather than later.
Plus I don't trust Colletti to be able to figure out what to do about his 12 free agents (or whatever it is) this offseason without help.
Meanwhile Schilling rips Manny again for... threatening not to play for the Red Sox if they didn't trade him. If this is true, why the heck is it coming out now and not then?
Yeah - whomever is the "holds" the title of GM with the Dodgers will always do as Mr. McCourt decrees.
http://www.multimanpublishing.com/index1.php
http://www.multimanpublishing.com/about.php
10 Indeed.
The Dodgers have never played a game on October 22.
In 1988, the final game of the World Series was October 20.
The only year in which the Dodgers played a game later than October 22 was 1981. The Dodgers won the final four games of the series on October 23-25 & 28.
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster
2008: Aybar, Jackson, Navarro, Victorino, Werth
2000: Cook, Harris, Piazza, Vizcaino, Zeile
1990: Duncan, Honeycutt, Randolph, Stewart, Welch
Bad news for the Rays: in each of the previous two times, the team with more former Dodgers lost the series.
i can think of a perfect fit for kim ng to be the gm in '10.
Want to make sure you miss the world series?
Try to sign sign or trade for former Cubs.
Any chance Ruggiano makes TB's World Series roster?
Ng would make a fine next Dodger GM.
Just saying.
28 Maybe that was Depo's plan too. :)
And an even worse choice for the Mariners.
Wow, just terrible.
If they wanted to keep an old school scouting based GM, they should have just kept Bavasi.
Manny loafs in the OF from time to time?
Schilling doesnt?
It has to do with their on the field player (and Manny's perceived loafing in the OF), than anything else.
One of baseball's unsolved mysteries. Just like trying to figure out why Chris Brown died of burns suffered in an unoccupied home.
The Chris Brown thing was really weird. I guess there was never any resolution to that?
American Airlines flight 710 goes from Dallas to New York City (LaGuardia).
United flight 710 goes from San Francisco to Reno.
Delta #710 goes from Atlanta to Boston.
Continental does not have a flight 710. Dun dun dunnnnn.
Not a bad track record.
http://tinyurl.com/5ptbbs
LAT 9/26/99 p.D5
http://www.baseballamerica.com/execdb/?show=exec&eid=zdurija01
That guys wife is incredibly understanding.
You know. I actually go out and socialize with other human beings. I even talk to people when I keep score.
I don't score at home.
I'd say HE remains the heir-apparent Dodger GM, not Kim Ng.
For what it's worth, I'd say Ng signed off on the Blake trade too; so why isn't she tarred with the same brush as Logan White?
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/columnists/askba05june.html
http://tinyurl.com/6fkrds
I am sure he was there for Chen and Kuo.
Its almost as if the worse the MLB team does, the better the scouting director will look over time.
Probably because nobody really knows whether he approved of the deal. I mean, if he likes his job, obviously he was going to say he approved of the trade whether he actually did or not.
Considering how many blown picks there are, you have to give a guy credit when they pan out.
This is... well... extremely false. Extremely false.
Let's compare the the Brewers' recent top-ten choices with the guys who were drafted immediately before & after
2002
Zack Greinke
Prince Fielder
Scott Moore
2003
Delmon Young
Rickie Weeks
Kyle Sleeth
2004
Jeff Niemann
Mark Rogers
Jeremy Sowers
2005
Ryan Zimmerman
Ryan Braun
Ricardo Romero
2006
none
2007
Ross Detwiler
Matt LaPorta
Casey Weathers
--
In each case, Milwaukee got the best of the three players, except for Mark Rogers who hurt his arm almost immediately.
You can get all the top 10 picks in the world, but it still takes a lot of skill to take advantage of them as Milwaukee has. And that's before even considering steals like Gallardo in the 2nd round and Hart in the 11th.
Now if you want to tar Ned because the budget was bloated with non performing players and that is why Frank could not add salary that is a different animal.
I thought there was some talk that the Dodgers thought that Santana was not going to be a catcher around the time of the trade but I don't recall any comments by Logan White specifically about that deal.
56 I have been saying the same thing for months, maybe not the tarring part but basically that this team has all of their fingerprints on it.
He whiffed on Rogers that is enough for the nay sayers.
I can't recall a time where a player was not in the top 20, was not drafted that year and shot up to the number one slot.
Now for no additional reason I can see, Ng seems to be widely assumed by many here to be the obvious pick for next Dodger GM. (At least today, White was hardly mentioned, if at all.)
I don't think there have been that many posts today about Ng or White replacing Ned.
White did go on record on the Andy LaRoche-Manny trade that he liked it.
1996
1) Mar 14: Signed Victor Zambrano as a FA; & Aug 15: Signed Bartolome Fortunato as an amateur FA. Both traded to the Mets on 7/30/04 for Scott Kazmir and Jose Diaz.
1997
2&3) Drafted Toby Hall (Rd 9). Traded with Mark Hendrickson to the Dodgers on 6/27/06 for Dioner Navarro, Justin Ruggiano, and Jae Seo.
1998
4&5)Drafted Aubrey Huff (Rd 5). Traded to Astros on 7/12/06 for Mitch Talbot & Ben Zobrist
2&3) Drafted Joe Kennedy (Rd 8). Traded to Rockies as part of a 3-team trade on 12/14/03, with the Rays receiving Mark Hendrickson. See #2&3 above.
6) Jul 8: Signed Juan Salas as an amateur FA
1999
7) Drafted Carl Crawford (Rd 2)
8) Drafted Seth McClung (Rd 5). Traded to the Brewers on 7/28/07 for Grant Balfour
9) Drafted Jeff Ridgway (Rd 14). Traded to the Braves on 1/17/08 for Willy Aybar & Chase Fontaine.
2000
10) Drafted Rocco Baldelli (#6 overall)
11) Drafted James Shields (Rd 16)
12) Drafted Shawn Riggans (Rd 24)
2001
13) Drafted Fernando Cortez (Rd 9) & Joey Gathright (Rd 31). Both traded on 6/20/06 to the Royals for J.P. Howell.
14) Drafted Jonny Gomes (Rd 18)
2002
15) Jan 11: Signed Lance Carter as a FA. Traded with Danys Baez to the Dodgers on 1/14/06 for Edwin Jackson & Chuck Tiffany
16) Drafted B.J. Upton (#2 overall; thanks Pittsburgh!)
17&18) Drafted Jason Pridie (Rd 2). Traded with Brendan Harris & Delmon Young to the Twins on 11/28/07 for Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett, and Eduardo Morlan
19) Drafted Jason Hammel (Rd 10)
20) Jun 29: signed Elliot Johnson as an undrafted FA
2003
17&18) Drafted Delmon Young (#1 overall). See #17&18 above
21) Drafted James Houser (Rd 2)
22) Drafted John Jaso (Rd 12)
23) Drafted Chad Orvella (Rd 13) -- on 60-Day DL
2004
15) Jan 6: Signed Danys Baez as a FA. See #15 above
24) Drafted Jeff Niemann (#4 overall)
25) Drafted Reid Brignac (Rd 2)
26) Drafted Fernando Perez (Rd 7)
27) Drafted Andy Sonnanstine (Rd 13)
2005
28) Drafted Greg Reinhard (Rd 6) & Andrew Lopez (Rd 8). Both traded to the Cubs on 2/13/07 for Jae Kuk Ryu
2006
29) Jan 10: signed Ty Wigginton as a FA. Traded to Houston on 7/28/07 for Dan Wheeler
30) Drafted Evan Longoria (#3 overall)
31) Drafted Josh Butler (Rd 2). Traded to Brewers on 4/22/08 for Gabe Gross
32) Dec 15: signed Akinori Iwamura as a FA.
2007
33) Feb 1: Signed Carlos Peña as a minor league FA
34) Drafted David Price (#1 overall)
35) Nov 30: Signed Troy Percival as a FA
36) Dec 14: Signed Cliff Floyd as a FA
2008
37) Feb 6: Signed Trever Miller as a FA
38) Feb 7: Signed Eric Hinske as a minor league FA
39) Apr 18: Claimed Dan Johnson off waivers from the Athletics
40) Aug 7: Acquired Chad Bradford from the Orioles for a PTBNL (will be named before winter meetings)
41) Aug 31: Acquired Michel Hernandez from the Pirates for straight cash homey.
Interesting.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/10/22/heyman.manny/index.html
Coby Karl did however make it.
That being said, do we know that the Mariners didn't ask for permission to talk to White? I mean, I'm assuming they didn't, but it's not impossible that they did.
That's kind of a misleading way to summarize that article. What it's saying - citing as a source "One person who's spoken to Dodgers people" - is that the team is considering proposing such a deal.
As usual, Heyman is just passing along complete speculation.
79 They did dump Aubrey Huff during their salary purge and I may be the only one that thinks this but to me, the Julio Lugo deal was basically the same (salary dump) though the Dodgers still have two pitchers and the Rays have an extra outfielder from that deal.
That's what people in Sacramento say.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-me-lugo23-2008oct23,0,844897.column?track=rss
Caveats:
1) I don't know if such a responsibility exists for GM positions.
2) I don't know the races of the other candidates.
I forgot to include that on 1/2/07, the Rays acquired Brendan Harris for what turned out to be cash. He was part of #17&18 above.
There are 97 men for every 100 women in the United States, according to the Census Bureau.
There is a margin for error of 0.1 either way.
Women live longer and are less likely to do things like shoot each other.
/will never forget that attrocious day!!!
Who worked the equally atrociously officiated Game 5?
No self-respecting bball fan (or sports fan for that matter) can honestly say the officiating didn't dictate that series.
Im still bitter about it, but hey, At least we all have the Dodgers!!!
She is also Chinese, so she is a minority candidate no matter what.
It would be a terrible thing if Kim Ng was offered interviews by organizations that had no intention to hire her, simply because she fulfills obligations to interview minority candidates.
To the best of my knowledge, Kim Ng does not have and has not had evaluation responsibilities. My belief is that her current role vis-a-vis pro scouting is management - e.g., assigning coverage.
Whether or not this lack makes her less qualified is a matter of preference. For example, I favor candidates with evaluation experience; I like candidates with experience in multiple functional areas; and I like candidates who have managed staffs.
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/mariners_hire_jack_zduriencik_to_be_new_gm/
Even if we free up some money by miraculously dumping a portion of Schmierredruw, it would probably go to re-signing Furcal. We still would have holes in the infield and at the top of the rotation.
Schmierredruw
That sounds like it should be my new alcoholic beverage of choice.
I do think there is one for managers, I do not know if it applies to GMs or other front office staff.
Jack Zduriencik got the M's job partly because of his scouting work, and partly because he has 20 years of on the job training over Ng, and partly because of perception that Ng seemed to be under qualified in the scouting area.
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/
According to mlbtraderumors.com we have about $48 million coming off the books in '09 (most $$$ in the league)
Every article that mentions money "coming off the books" always fails to account for money "coming on to the books" in the form of arbitration raises.
Manny would have already signed a 25-year "personal services" contract by now.
Hopefully that won't Coste you potential winnings!
For the record, I commend your decision to ride out your 150:1 bet, although I almost definitely would have put up enough money on the Phillies to guarantee a certain outcome either way.
C - Martin
1B - Loney
2B - to be determined
3B - DeWitt
SS - to be determined
LF - Jones/Pierre/to be determined
CF - Kemp
RF - Ethier
SP - Billingsley
SP - Kiroda
SP - Kershaw
SP - McDonald
SP - Maddux
RP - Broxton
RP - Wade
RP - Beimel
RP - Kuo
RP - Tronscoso
RP - to be determined
RP - to be determined
Bench - Repko
Bench - Young
Bench - Ellis
Bench - to be determined
Bench - to be determined
They got to the $48 million number from subtracting that $70 million figure from $118 million which was their estimate for the Dodgers salary in 2008 and assuming the Dodgers stick to a similar payroll.
Of note, that site seems to estimate every payroll as slightly lower than actual, so if mlbtraderumors believes the Dodgers should have the most amount money to play with, they could be right. Although, I think the Yankees will still spend more than everyone, and we don't even know if the Dodgers will have the same payroll if they are projecting less revenue.
No Maddux
Repko to get non-tendered in November (he's out of options next year).
Saito & Proctor will be in the bullpen.
Miller (or Elbert) might make it ahead of Troncoso.
Abreu will play a key role if healthy (hopefully).
Good stuff by FOX: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv9BcITsPyI
The Offseason Outlook from mlbtraderumors.com does take arbitration raises into account.
No Maddux - Yeah
Repko - gone? ok
Saito's gone - his elbow will require at least 18 months.
Proctor with his elbow is a big ??
Miller and/or Elbert - I would love to see it
Abreu would be nice - but I'm holding my breath.
130
Ellis - You are right again - the back up catcher will be?
Tron Tron had his moments - and then again he had his moments.
131
Maddux into the sunset.
It's easy to agree with all of you.
This just creates more work for the GM braintrust!
Beimel is probably gone as well - he's exceeded expectations this past season by a good margin
Thanks. I withdraw my objections. I was far too overreaching in my comment in 122 .
134
Saito's gone - his elbow will require at least 18 months
That's a big assumption.
I'm assuming that he requires tj surgery:(
I hope you have a similar Timmermann/Kuo effect. :)
Low risk/high reward for the Dodgers and at worst a nice Kuroda "recruiting bonus" for Saito.
The only way Saito would sign a contract like that is if it was known he would be out for the year. He is arbitration eligible, and bound to make somewhere in the $5m range. If the Dodgers don't want to go to arbitration with him and can't come to an agreement before December, they have to non-tender him and then he becomes a free agent and will probably get a better deal than 2 years, $3m.
Aye ... and therein lies the rub ...
I got this by going to each B-R team page...
NL Team OF Assists
Phi 36
Hou 35
LAD 34
Stl 31
SF 30
NYM 30
Atl 29
Fla 28
Col 27
Cin 27
Pit 27
Was 26
Ari 22
Mil 22
ChC 21
SD 15
You probably have to add them up yourself. But I would assume Baltimore or Tampa Bay would be up toward the top since they had the top two guys in the majors in Markakis and Upton.
According to SI.com's Jon Heyman, the Dodgers are motivated to meet Manny Ramirez's salary demands, but only as part of a short-term deal.
Heyman writes that one person who's spoken to Dodgers people suggested that the team is considering proposing a contract that may come close to matching Alex Rodriguez's record $27.5-million average annual salary, perhaps for two years. Heyman believes that the Phillies, Yankees, Blue Jays, Mets, Orioles and Rangers are also potential suitors for Ramirez.
ESPN has team defense sorted by each specific OF position, but not an OF total.
Here is the link to MLB team assists as a LF:
http://tinyurl.com/5666z4
You can use the drop down to see CF & RF.
So, Navarro looks like a creditable catcher on a possible championship team. I remember at DT a few years ago someone was dying for the D's to get Crawford. Although Crawford may not have panned out guite as well as some thought, he is good. Would this have kept us from going for Pierre, or better stil Andruw? Who was that prescient DTer?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/10/22/heyman.manny/index.html
Here are all MLB teams, sorted by most OF assists:
Phi 36
Min 36
Hou 35
Oak 35
LAD 34
TB 33
Bal 33
Sea 32
Stl 31
Tor 31
LAA 31
SF 30
NYM 30
NYY 30
Tex 30
Atl 29
Fla 28
Det 28
Col 27
Cin 27
Pit 27
Bos 27
Cle 27
Was 26
KC 25
Ari 22
Mil 22
ChC 21
ChW 17
SD 15
But the Dodgers have only good memories after he lifted their franchise. Colletti agreed that Ramirez had a positive impact on several young Dodgers stars.
"He was positive in a lot of ways,'' Colletti said. "He's a great player. He knows what he's doing. He's very sharp.''
One person who's spoken to Dodgers people suggested that the team is considering proposing a contract that may come close to matching Alex Rodriguez's record $27.5-million average annual salary but on a much shorter term, perhaps only two years. That person hinted he could see the Dodgers even exceeding A-Rod's salary, as long as the length of the deal was to their liking.
hmmmm....is Frank loosening the purse strings? and who is our front of the rotation starter? maybe CC, where the contract is more backloaded? could happen.
Why on earth should Martin be tired?
Catches every darn game?
If he was indeed out for the nightlife he likely was out on his feet most of the time.
focus more on his D
And just where did the Dodgers pitching staff rank for team ERA for the season in the National League this past season and who was the catcher for those pitchers?
156-why would the person say it if it weren't true?
That's funny.
same story-three different people....hmmmm
Good News! Bob Melvin will get to keep on putting SCY in the 2nd spot despite a .310 OBP for another year.
Yeah rayg I watched just about every Dodger game.
Prior to opening day I held the false belief that Torre would take good care of Martin and manage his workload.
However the opposite came to pass.
Martin's off days consisted of playing at third or coming into the lineup in the seventh inning.
On several occasions these seventh inning insertion appearances became extra inning games.
In May I began asking when the days off would begin to happen.
At the All-star break I was hoping that Martin wouldn't be selected to the team so that he could have some rest (instead another extra inning affair ensued).
How can this negative drivel be repeated and repeated again and again ala the old "telephone game"?
Gee - could it be Billy and Tommy?
Maybe those two should get together and write a book:)
Besmirtching the two time All-Star catcher logging the most innings in the MLB in back to back years
... Mack the Knife indeed.
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