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2008-10-29 11:42
by Jon Weisman

I still can't get myself past the belief that if Rafael Furcal doesn't throw that ball away in the first game of the National League Championship Series, then the baseball world would have spent the past weekend treated to some of the warmest World Series weather you could ever want.

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2008-10-29 11:47:24
1.   Eric Stephen
By the end of November or so, there is a very real chance that 24-year old Jonathan Broxton will be the longest-tenured Dodger (using MLB time, not 40-man time).

Broxton debuted with the Dodgers on July 29, 2005, and everyone that was here prior to that has a tenuous future with the club:

Penny (8/3/04): exercise of option still up in the air
Brazoban (8/15/04): likely to be non-tendered; arbitration eligible but out of options
Kent (4/5/05): likely retired
Repko (4/6/05): likely to be non-tendered; arbitration eligible but out of options

2008-10-29 11:47:33
2.   ToyCannon
Or if Loney and Manny had just a little more loft then length.
2008-10-29 11:48:28
3.   Eric Stephen
Lowe was cruising in that game! Then, in a matter of minutes he was finished. Such craziness is this game we love.
2008-10-29 11:49:20
4.   Eric Stephen
Or if Manny's ball was what, 3 feet to the right? He crushed that ball off Hamels.
2008-10-29 11:52:51
5.   Bob Timmermann
You need to say that in more the style of Charlie Brown circa 1962.
2008-10-29 11:54:36
6.   Jon Weisman
1 - That's really amazing.
2008-10-29 11:54:45
7.   Jim Hitchcock
4 Shouldn't that be 3 feet to the left, or am I suffering from visual memory dyslexia?
2008-10-29 11:54:52
8.   JoeyP
If Loney doesnt hit the Grand Slam, maybe the Dodgers dont even get out of the 1st round.


2008-10-29 11:58:18
9.   underdog
5 I do think I said "Auuuuuggggggghhh!" when that happened.


My obelisk is like Spinal Tap's Stonehenge piece compared to Bob's real Stonehenge-sized obelisk, but I'm working on it.

2008-10-29 11:59:25
10.   underdog
If Manny's parents hadn't met, and...


2008-10-29 11:59:53
11.   Jim Hitchcock
9 Speaking of that, is your pod ready yet?
2008-10-29 12:00:55
12.   Eric Stephen
I'm thinking viewing from home plate, if the ball was a few more feet to the right, towards right field, it would not have subject to the high wall but rather the shorter wall.
2008-10-29 12:01:14
13.   Gilberto Reyes
When Jon first brought up the Furcal Game #1 error as a turning point in the series, I thought that he was being a bit premature and negative.

But looking back at the series now, the Dodgers never had a realistic series advantage again after that single play.

They appeared to have a great shot at tying the series before the Victorino HR in game #4, but I never got that feeling like the team was destined to make the World Series after the Game #2 loss.

When Lowe was cruising with that 2-0 lead, the series seemed very winnable to me. Lowe had such a great history of shutting down teams in the post-season. Everything was going as planned.

Baseball is a funny game.

2008-10-29 12:02:26
14.   underdog
11 --??
My ipod?
My invasion of the body snatchers pod?
2008-10-29 12:02:52
15.   Jon Weisman
My point about the Furcal play is that it was so routine, yet so huge. I don't think anything in the postseason compares to it.

I'm not under any illusion that the Dodgers didn't benefit from similar breaks.

2008-10-29 12:06:03
16.   Gilberto Reyes
If Manny's Game #1 blast is a HR, that would have only meant the score is 3-3 after Lowe gives up the HR to Burrell.

The game would have been left up to the bullpens, and Philly's pen was definitely superior in the series.

2008-10-29 12:08:45
17.   Jim Hitchcock
14 The pod that Harry Shearer got stuck in :)
2008-10-29 12:09:15
18.   Gilberto Reyes
15 I agree. It turned out to be a huge play. Primarily because the Phillies took full advantage of it.

Compare that to the Ryan Howard error on the bunt in Game #4. The Dodgers had every opportunity to put that game away right there but could not.

2008-10-29 12:12:23
19.   Eric Stephen
Bob, I've never seen any highlights other than McCovey's lineout to end the series. Did Matty Alou have a chance to score on Mays' double?
2008-10-29 12:13:11
20.   underdog
17 Oh! Hah hah. At least I'm not one of their drummers.

In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, an ancient race of people... the Druids. No one knows who they were or what they were doing...

Which reminds me, has Bill Plaschke been fired yet?

Did everyone read the last FJM post about him?

2008-10-29 12:16:04
21.   Harold M Johnson
I think the young Dodgers learned a lot from the NLCS. If the front office can make some smart moves in the off-season, I look forward to a lot of redemption in next year's playoffs!
2008-10-29 12:16:26
22.   Eric Enders
The more I think about it, the more depressed I am about the way the season ended. The team we had on the field in October was the strongest Dodger team in decades, and it is likely stronger than any Dodger team will be in the foreseeable future. To paraphrase the great philosopher Marshall Mathers, this was our one shot, our one opportunity, and we blew our chance.
2008-10-29 12:23:18
23.   regfairfield
22 I think the '95 Dodgers might have a case for that.
2008-10-29 12:23:41
24.   Eric Enders
19 Roger Maris made a great play in right field on the double; from everything I've seen, it would have been a close play at the plate. Matty certainly would have scored if there'd been an average defender in right.

Really, that inning is a lesson in the perils of the bunt. Felipe Alou tried to sacrifice and failed twice, getting himself in an 0-2 hole, and then struck out for the first out of the inning. There's a very real possibility that the Giants win the World Series if they don't try to sacrifice there.

At least we can take comfort in the fact that the phrase "World Champion San Francisco Giants" has never been uttered in truth.

2008-10-29 12:25:08
25.   Jim Hitchcock
22 Aye, there's was rub.
2008-10-29 12:28:42
26.   Eric Stephen
Turn that frown upside down. 2009 is shaping up more and more like 1988:

1) The Dodger LF will win league MVP
2) A Dodger pitcher, whose previous team was Milwaukee, will win 17 games and get a game-winning hit against the Giants
3) A Dodger pitcher, in his 2nd year in MLB, will start Game 1 of the World Series

2008-10-29 12:31:06
27.   Eric Enders
"3) A Dodger pitcher, in his 2nd year in MLB, will start Game 1 of the World Series"

And give up a killer grand slam to a steroid freak!

2008-10-29 12:40:01
28.   Gilberto Reyes
22 I agree that this playoff team with a peaking Manny and other key players who are unlikely to return such as D-Lowe, gave the Dodgers a rare and very realistic shot at winning it all.

But I would not call the ending depressing. Very disappointing, but the reality is the team was fortunate to play in a horrible NL West which allowed them to even make the playoffs.

It was definitely a great opportunity lost. The hope is that is won't take another 20 years again to get this close.

2008-10-29 12:41:19
29.   trainwreck
I am interested to see Eric Gordon tonight. I saw him play a few times in high school and was always really impressed and while he did not do as well in college as expected, I still think he was worthy of a top 5 pick.
2008-10-29 12:43:40
30.   Eric Enders
Gordon with Indiana was one of the poorest decision-makers I've ever seen for such a marquee player. He got his you-know-what handed to him against strong college competition and I have to think the same will be true in the NBA.
2008-10-29 12:47:04
31.   trainwreck
I think not being the man and having Davis to open things up for him will be huge for him. He can just have that scoring mentality. He will get a lot of open jumpers.
2008-10-29 12:50:36
32.   ToyCannon
Maybe, but in pre-season he was amazing in the 4th quarter. Might have the best pure shot I've seen on the Clippers in a many a moon.

He was only a freshman last year, bad decision making goes with the territory doesn't it when you are the only gun in high school and distribution is not something you really need to think about?

2008-10-29 12:54:30
33.   Eric Enders
32 Sure, freshmen will be freshmen, but I still thought Gordon's basketball IQ was several notches below that of other freshmen like Mayo, Derrick Rose, Patty Mills, etc.
2008-10-29 12:57:57
34.   Eric Stephen
Bill Simmons, Clipper season ticket holder, is very high on Gordon:

Eric Gordon's beautiful, moonball, knee-weakening, once-in-a-generation jump shot. It's just perfect. I love it. I love everything about it. Every time he shoots it, the Clippers crowd goes quiet for a split-second like one of the cheerleaders just pulled up her shirt. Even the spin is gorgeous. I can't say enough about it. I am in love with Eric Gordon's jump shot. I want to marry it. I want to have kids with it. I will go to at least one practice or shootaround this year just to see him hoist 200 of them. And by the way, the kid is going to be great -- he's bigger than I thought, and when he drives to the lane, defenders just bounce off him. He will end up being the third-best guy in that draft

2008-10-29 13:04:05
35.   trainwreck
He was actually a great distributor in high school, which is one of the reasons I really liked him. He was complete back then. I think he can eventually get back to that.
2008-10-29 13:04:41
36.   ucladodger

It also didn't help that russell and Blake hit two shots with at least runners on second and thrid that were caught. Even though the series was pretty lopsided in the final score (4-1), there were so many little things that would have changed the entire complexion of the series for the Dodgers. Manny's almost homer, Furcal's error, the shots that were caught in game 4, taking out Kuo. Ugh, just thinking about it gets me upset.

2008-10-29 13:06:00
37.   trainwreck
Gordon honestly reminded me of a less athletic version of Baron Davis. And most players are less athletic than Davis.
2008-10-29 13:14:54
38.   Harold M Johnson
How's this for next year's lineup?

Furcal SS
Martin C
Manny LF
Ethier RF
Kemp CF
Crede 3B
Loney 1B
DeWitt 2B

2008-10-29 13:18:27
39.   Eric Enders
Crede, ugh. If that's what we're reduced to, I'd rather just play DeWitt at third. They're even as defenders and not all that far from being even as hitters, too.

Age 31, career .306 OPB... no thanks.

2008-10-29 13:18:56
40.   Bob Timmermann
Argentina named Diego Maradona as its national coach.

May God have mercy on their souls.

2008-10-29 13:20:42
41.   trainwreck
Yeah, don't they remember when Magic Johnson coached the Lakers.
2008-10-29 13:21:17
42.   Gagne55
I guess it's not always sunny in Philedelphia.
2008-10-29 13:22:00
43.   MC Safety
40 Lol.
2008-10-29 13:24:21
44.   bhsportsguy
If Citizens Bank Park uses the same parking receipts that Dodger Stadium uses, I don't see how anyone cannot get free parking tonight.

Dodger Stadium just gives you the same blue receipt (for GA parking), if you have season tix parking, you should have that stub already.

2008-10-29 13:28:03
45.   bhsportsguy
Things I thought about for tonight's game.

1. No announcement of "starting" lineup.
2. No National Anthem or First pitch.
3. When do they stop selling alcohol at the game?
4. 7th inning stretch?

2008-10-29 13:30:15
46.   Bob Timmermann
My guesses
1) Only on the PA
2) There will be an anthem
3) Same alcohol policy applies
4) Yes
2008-10-29 13:30:28
47.   underdog
40 Oh good lord... Buena suerte.

In other better news, from the we-hate-the-Pats dept., Vince Woolfork may get fined or suspended after all for his cheap shot at Jay Cutler last week. An elbow to the head after an interception, wasn't caught on ESPN but it was caught by NFL Network. Punk.

Speaking of rain... It's supposed to rain up here on Halloween, which sucks. (Even though we do need the rain.)

2008-10-29 13:33:09
48.   Sam PHL
45. Headline on

Will there be beer?

"Today is considered a new event," he said.

So the cutoff would be after seven more innings - which means the brew won't stop flowing unless a handful of extra innings are played.

2008-10-29 13:38:17
49.   Kevin Lewis

I try not to think about it too much.

2008-10-29 13:39:51
50.   Jon Weisman
48 - Isn't a major reason for cutting off sales to help people have a snowball's chance of driving home safely?
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2008-10-29 13:41:18
51.   Sam PHL
50. This city will not be safe if the Phillies win.
2008-10-29 13:41:31
52.   Eric Enders
46 I bet Fox will run down the starting lineup for each team as a reminder. From a broadcasting perspective, they really have to treat it like an entirely new game because the audience will be different from Monday night's.
2008-10-29 13:42:31
53.   Gen3Blue
Although I've heard good ideas here about how the game should get underway at 8ET without much fuss, I just assume the branes at Fox and MLB will mess around until about 8:40. It wouldn't do if the last game didn't kill about 2 hours minimum.

And the spelling is intentional, as Stephen Hawkings once suggested that we live in a P-brane universe.

2008-10-29 13:42:38
54.   Tripon
50 Lets pray for an 18 inning game?
2008-10-29 13:43:38
55.   bhsportsguy
48 I had to think they would do that.
2008-10-29 13:44:34
56.   Sam PHL
Obama's doing the pre-game.
2008-10-29 13:44:44
57.   Eric Enders
50 Yeah, but this is Philly, where being drunk and obnoxious at sporting events is akin to a constitutional right.

My favorite Philly fact: Veterans Stadium is the only MLB park ever to have an actual city police precinct located inside it, with a jail and everything. And boy did they need it. I guess the new park is a bit more gentrified. But only a bit.

2008-10-29 13:45:06
58.   Jon Weisman
53 - 8:40 p.m.? You mean as opposed to the scheduled start of 8:37 p.m.?
2008-10-29 13:45:20
59.   Bob Timmermann
Actually, you will be watching a 30-minute Obama infomercial before the game resumes. There will just be minimal pregame chatter.

Although I don't know if the commercial is going to be timed to play simultaneously throughout the U.S.

2008-10-29 13:46:18
60.   Bob Timmermann
The city will be less safe if Tampa Bay wins I predict.
2008-10-29 13:46:27
61.   Kevin Lewis
The pre-game will be new tonight.
2008-10-29 13:49:31
62.   Sam PHL
60. The city would survive. The hypothetical Rays fans would not be safe.
2008-10-29 13:49:42
63.   Gen3Blue
58 It's not much but I'd still bet I'm closer.
2008-10-29 14:02:12
64.   Ghost of Carlos Perez
We've got blue skies here in Philly, but my flag football game just got cancelled due to poor field conditions. I wonder how the grass is at the ballpark.
2008-10-29 14:02:58
65.   MollyKnight
I've been thinking the same thing. I'm telling you: that error was similar to the play where JD Drew and Jeff Kent got tagged out at home on the same play in game 1 of the NLDS two years ago. Neither plays resulted in the Dodgers giving up the lead, but you knew in an instant that losing the game and the series was an inevitability.

(I was at both games). (And those two plays were equally crushing).

2008-10-29 14:04:32
66.   Jon Weisman
65 - I think "inevitability" is too strong - but it did make me queasy.
2008-10-29 14:11:15
67.   JoeyP

Among the Type A Free agents:
Doug Brocail, Jason Isringhausen, & Juan Cruz.

Can this be accurate?

2008-10-29 14:16:56
68.   Bumsrap
If you are right Jon, then in a way, I am also right. I said Hu, if given a chance to play, would be the difference maker.
2008-10-29 14:18:18
69.   bhsportsguy
67 Scott Proctor was a Type A in 2007.
2008-10-29 14:18:54
70.   scareduck
53 - H-a-w-k-i-n-g.
2008-10-29 14:19:48
71.   Eric Stephen
Here are the stats used to rank relievers:

Total Games (Games Relieved +2*Games Started)

**Innings Pitched are given just 75% of the weight of the other relief categories

2008-10-29 14:20:23
72.   Tripon
brad(detroit): Jim, hear me out. If the Dodgers are unable to resign Manny, wouldn't it make sense for them to go after Magglio? The Tigers want to dump some payroll and they could probably even eat some of Magglio's remaining contract. Would a package of James McDonald and DeJesus be fair? What about Maggs straight up for Russ Martin? I understand they Dodgers are actually looking to trade him while the Tigers desperately need a catcher.

SportsNation Jim Callis: It all depends on how much of Ordonez' contract the Tigers would pick up. But honestly, the Dodgers already have more outfielders than they know what to do with, so I don't see them adding Magglio.

For just another catcher, everyone seems to want Martin.

2008-10-29 14:21:26
73.   Marty
Charlie Manual may freeze solid tonight.
2008-10-29 14:22:53
74.   JoeyP
I wonder how many teams have given up their first round pick in order to sign a middle reliever?
2008-10-29 14:23:12
75.   Eric Enders
If that list turns out to be accurate, it's awful for the Dodgers. Penny, Blake, and Kent as Type B's, and Furcal and Nomar as no compensation whatsoever. I figured Blake would be a Type A for sure.

Really, though, that whole list is just somebody's wild guess. The rankings haven't been released yet, and they can't really be simulated since they're calculated using a proprietary Elias formula that isn't made public and which makes no sense to anyone except Steve Hirdt.

2008-10-29 14:24:35
76.   D4P


2008-10-29 14:25:06
77.   Bob Hendley
60 - Any idea how Tampa would react to the outcome?
2008-10-29 14:25:45
78.   Gen3Blue
65 Molly, I know what you mean. Even though I wasn't at the game, I seemed to define a Karma. I since see that game as the opposite of the 4+1 game. Yin/Yang
2008-10-29 14:26:46
79.   Eric Stephen
According to the Tigers Thoughts projections, both Beimel and Blake are very, very close to being Type A free agents.

Last year the true Elias list came out October 31, three days after the WS ended.

2008-10-29 14:28:06
80.   Jon Weisman
The Dodgers aren't trading Martin. I can't believe the world needs to be told this.
2008-10-29 14:28:07
81.   Gilberto Reyes
65 The double tagout against the Mets was a very bad omen for the series. You could feel that might come back to haunt them right away.

But the Furcal error this year didn't seem so bad right away to me. Lowe had been pitching out of trouble and had not really given up any fly balls the entire game. Those 2 homeruns were a surprise considering how well he was pitching.

2008-10-29 14:30:56
82.   Eric Enders
80 I agree with you, but if we're right, then what's the motivation for dragging him through the mud with well-placed front office leaks? Are they hoping that will lower his asking price on a multi-year deal?
2008-10-29 14:32:48
83.   Gilberto Reyes
72 80 Apparently "Brad in Detroit" needs to be told this.
2008-10-29 14:33:03
84.   Eric Stephen
The Cubs signed LaTroy Hawkins in 2004, and the Twins received picks 25 & 39.

The Mariners signed Jeff Nelson in 2001, and the Yankees received picks 23 & 42.

In 2000, the A's signed Mike Magnante (Angels got #20) and the Rangers signed Darren Oliver (Cards got #24).

In 1998, the Astros signed Doug Henry, and the Giants received #19.

2008-10-29 14:33:09
85.   silverwidow
If Baltimore offered Matt Wieters for Martin, I'd take it without hesitation.
2008-10-29 14:35:28
86.   bhsportsguy
Over/Unders for tonight's game.

7 pitchers used.
6 pinch-hitters/defensive replacements.
Game will end tonight in 2 hours.

2008-10-29 14:36:15
87.   Gilberto Reyes
82 Arbitration is a nasty business. Young players often take it personal and some don't forget. Rememember how the front office celebrated their victory over Gagne with a rub it in your face article on It would be nice if they kept it all internal.
2008-10-29 14:36:36
88.   bhsportsguy
85 Baltimore paid a lot of money for Wieters, I doubt he goes anywhere for a while.
2008-10-29 14:37:27
89.   MC Safety
Sorry about your Spurs, LoneStar.
2008-10-29 14:39:20
90.   bhsportsguy
87 I always think players should know that when it comes to contracts, its business and both sides will use whatever they can to extract the best deal. If you take that stuff personally, that is your problem.
2008-10-29 14:41:10
91.   regfairfield
90 I agree, but the headline for that article was something like "Dodgers score huge victory over Gagne". Probably could have done without that.
2008-10-29 14:43:19
92.   Gilberto Reyes
90 Many players today are spoiled and feel unappreciated by ownership despite their incredible salaries.
2008-10-29 14:45:58
93.   Jon Weisman
82 - Keep in mind we don't know who's doing the leaking, but it might be as simple as simply wanting Martin to sleep more next season.
2008-10-29 14:46:08
94.   Bob Timmermann
If Gagne wasn't hurt by what was said during the hearing (when he was told that he wasn't nearly as good as he thought he was), I can't imagine a story on a website would bother him more.

The salary arbitration process actually isn't all that contentious, according to people involved in it.

2008-10-29 14:46:08
95.   Gilberto Reyes
91 The article also praised Kim Ng for her outstanding role in the "victory over Gagne". Why not just thank her in private or give her a raise?
2008-10-29 14:46:31
96.   Jon Weisman
91 - You think Kim Ng wrote that headline?
2008-10-29 14:48:19
97.   regfairfield
96 Of course not, but I don't blame Gagne for being upset about it.
2008-10-29 14:49:59
98.   Gilberto Reyes
94 I think the celebration in the form of a press release on your team website sends the wrong message to the players.
2008-10-29 14:53:33
99.   ToyCannon
That is bad business, simply bad business.

The guy in Detroit thinks he cracked the code. We will find out soon enough.

While Blake being a B is bad for the Dodgers it is great for him. Besides if he was an A would anyone sign him? He's to old be signed by any of the protected slot teams and not good enough to warrant losing a 15-30 draft pick.

2008-10-29 14:53:39
100.   Jon Weisman
96 - I agree with Bob in 94. I'm confident that's coverage of the hearing result was a blip on Gagne's radar, compared to the result of the hearing itself.
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2008-10-29 14:54:24
101.   bhsportsguy
98 So, if the Dodgers end up going to arbitration with any of their players this year, how would you suggest the Public Relations department handle it?
2008-10-29 14:55:59
102.   Gilberto Reyes
The Angels just exercised their $9M option on John Lackey Tuesday.

When is the typical time for team's to make decisions for these options? Is there a deadline for a decision on Brad Penny?

2008-10-29 14:56:29
103.   regfairfield
Just don't give the impression you started doing the Dirty Bird as soon as the verdict was handed out.
2008-10-29 14:57:09
104.   regfairfield
102 It varies by player. Seven days after the Series in Penny's case.
2008-10-29 14:59:43
105.   MC Safety
Looks like I spoke too soon in 89 . Spurs came back from 4-2 to get a draw. Unbelievable.
2008-10-29 14:59:52
106.   Bob Timmermann
The story about Ng and her role in the arbitration case with Gagne was not a press release. It was written by Ken Gurnick of

2008-10-29 15:01:57
107.   Bob Timmermann
Kim Ng's quote in the story about the arbitration hearing:

"I'm happy the process is over," she said. "This is not a fun process, it's a very tough process but it's there if we need it. Trust me, it's hard."

2008-10-29 15:02:27
108.   Gilberto Reyes
101 With a less inflammatory headline and by leaving out the details regarding who the key contributors were to the victory.
2008-10-29 15:05:24
109.   cargill06
103 I think the dirty bird was outdated even back than. Maybe she started dusting the dirt off her shoulder?
2008-10-29 15:06:15
110.   Jon Weisman
103 - I know some people don't believe that is operated outside of the Dodger front office, but I really think you're overreading into this. It's Gurnick who's saying the Dodgers scored a victory over Gagne, and Gurnick doesn't work for the Dodgers.

And now I can see from the link in 106 that this incident has been completely misremembered anyway.

2008-10-29 15:07:29
111.   Jon Weisman
108 - You really think shouldn't be allowed to mention an executive's name in an arbitration story?
2008-10-29 15:09:44
112.   Eric Stephen
102 ,104
Don't forget the all-important 10 days for the much-anticipated Gary Bennett decision!
2008-10-29 15:12:28
113.   Gilberto Reyes
106 Thanks for the link, Bob. But I remember a reading a different, more self-congratulatory headline on when this happened. I may be wrong, but that is what I recall.
2008-10-29 15:14:38
114.   Eric Stephen
I remember Bill James used to get hired for some arbitration hearings, and he told of the story (perhaps in the NBJHBA) when he and Tim Raines went to the restroom during an arbitration hearing. James finished first, and he told Raines something like, "I can now tell my grandchildren I was faster than Tim Raines."
2008-10-29 15:18:19
115.   regfairfield
109 I don't picture Kim Ng as being the most hip person.
2008-10-29 15:19:13
116.   Gilberto Reyes
111 You are right, I suppose that is unavoidable. However, I may have "misremembered", but the tone of the article that I recall seemed a bit too celebratory.

Reading the Gurnick article today seems fine to me. And most people know that Gurnick works for, not the Dodgers.

2008-10-29 15:21:09
117.   Eric Enders
I agree with Jon and Bob. There was no conspiracy.

However, Gurnick does work for the Dodgers. His salary is paid by them and 29 other teams. He technically works for a separate corporate entity in order to create an illusion of separation, but make no mistake, he works for the Dodgers and his job description is to create and foster interest in the team. If McCourt wanted Gurnick fired and someone else hired, that's exactly what would happen.

2008-10-29 15:24:21
118.   Eric Stephen
In case there was any shred of a chance I would want Nomar back next year, this killed it:

(Enders will certainly disagree with me; the Eric Alliance is fractured yet again!)

2008-10-29 15:28:12
119.   Eric Enders
118 Yeah, Nomar and Mia are big fans and go to all the games.

Seeing Roger Clemens and Derek Jeter together on the Longhorns sideline last week certainly tested my Texas fandom. It remains intact, however.

2008-10-29 15:32:08
120.   Bill Crain
94 114

The salary arbitration process actually isn't all that contentious

James has said this several times, that people outside the process invariably get it wrong, that they make unwarranted dramatic assumptions about imaginary acrimony, and that the discussion is mostly about the various ways of determining similarity scores.

On a related topic, Gurnick seems more and more to me to be something of a moron

2008-10-29 15:37:25
121.   El Lay Dave
84 Thought it might be interesting to see who those draft picks turned out to be {in braces}. The drafting teams did not exactly strike gold.

The Cubs signed LaTroy Hawkins in 2004, and the Twins received picks 25 & 39. {Steven Waldrop RHP, Jay Rainville RHP}

The Mariners signed Jeff Nelson in 2001, and the Yankees received picks 23 & 42. {John-Ford Griffin OF, Jon Skaggs RHP}

In 2000, the A's signed Mike Magnante (Angels got #20) and the Rangers signed Darren Oliver (Cards got #24). {Blake Williams RHP}

In 1998, the Astros signed Doug Henry, and the Giants received #19. {Tony Torcato 3B}

The interesting near miss is 1998. Torcato was more-or-less local, from Woodland, a Sacramento suburb, but the very next pick was from a very nearby north bay town of Vallejo: C. C. Sabathia.

2008-10-29 15:39:49
122.   Eric Stephen
I used B-R to find those, and I was going to list any notable draft picks but outside of Chris Bootcheck (Angels/Magnante) and maybe Griffin, none of those rung a bell.
2008-10-29 15:40:24
123.   Eric Enders
So the teams signing the Type A middle relievers came out way ahead in the end. Another reminder that having lots of draft picks is only good if you use them wisely.
2008-10-29 15:40:52
124.   ToyCannon
The first college football game I can remember watching was the 1969 Cotton Bowl and a guy named Cotton was the star. I've been a fan of their colors ever since. The dismantling of USC by Young in the Rose Bowl is a cherished memory. USC linebackers looked like Bruins as they bounced off him.
2008-10-29 15:41:27
125.   bhsportsguy
119 Just keep winning Longhorns and that Manny t-shirt is mine.
2008-10-29 15:44:05
126.   bhsportsguy
121 That is also a reason why the Indians, Red Sox and Reds wanted players instead of draft picks for their soon-to-be free agents.
2008-10-29 15:44:16
127.   ToyCannon
The teams with the picks made lousy picks, whose to say the team that signed the middle relief pitchers would have done so lousy if they had retained the picks. I expect with some quick research we would see some quality players who were still on the table.
2008-10-29 15:44:54
128.   bhsportsguy
In local newspaper news, OC Register announced layoffs today and the Daily News will be announcing cuts soon.
2008-10-29 15:46:02
129.   ToyCannon
2008-10-29 15:48:36
130.   Eric Enders
124 Burnt orange is a great color, isn't it? It's probably also the only color in college athletics that's unique to one team.
2008-10-29 15:49:59
131.   Eric Stephen
At Game 3 of the NLCS, I bet BH that USC would be in the BCS title game. The wager was a Manny t-shirt.
2008-10-29 15:50:53
132.   Eric Stephen
And Penn State's victory over Ohio State just about killed any shot I had of winning that bet.

Way too much chaos needs to happen in the Big XII and SEC for USC to end up in Miami.

2008-10-29 15:51:54
133.   Marty
Texas orange looks like Tennessee orange to me, but I haven't really looked that closely.
2008-10-29 15:52:15
134.   Eric Enders
Even if Texas loses a game, you have to think that they would make the title game over any other one-loss teams. So Eric Stephen actually needs the Longhorns to lose twice.
2008-10-29 15:53:25
135.   ToyCannon
Have you won any bets lately?
2008-10-29 15:54:32
136.   Jon Weisman
2008-10-29 15:56:08
137.   Gilberto Reyes
120 When I worked in the Dodger clubhouse in the early 80's, Gurnick was one of the beat writers. Many of the players use to make fun of his small stature and nicknamed him "the mouse" among other things. Maybe he still holds a grudge.
2008-10-29 15:56:09
138.   Eric Enders
133 Tennessee orange is a very light, almost yellowish orange. Texas orange is much darker and subdued.

Most other college oranges are your basic medium shade of bright orange: Syracuse, Illinois, UTEP, Oregon State, etc.

2008-10-29 15:58:01
139.   Eric Stephen
So Eric Stephen actually needs the Longhorns to lose twice

Bingo! Or Missouri can upset whomever wins a 3-way tie between 1-loss Texas/Tech/Oklahoma for the Big XII South.

I also need either Alabama to lose twice or the Georgia/Florida winner to lose again before beating Alabama in the SEC title game.

Or Penn State can lose one of their 3 games, but that ain't happening.

2008-10-29 15:59:25
140.   Kevin Lewis
I wonder if the "misremembering" of the tone has to do with how one felt about Gagne then vs. now.
2008-10-29 16:01:50
141.   bhsportsguy
134 What if they lost the Big 12 championship game?
2008-10-29 16:02:48
142.   Louis in SF

Great info and something to make Giant fans more neurotic than they already are!

2008-10-29 16:07:15
143.   Eric Enders
141 It's conceivable -- more than conceivable, actually -- that they could lose the Big 12 championship game and still be ranked #1 or #2 in the BCS.
2008-10-29 18:11:55
144.   JRSarno
0 - You honestly believe that one throw by Raffy in Game 1 was the difference in the ENTIRE NLCS?

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