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Boras: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Manny
2008-11-06 15:56
by Jon Weisman

Tony Jackson of the Daily News has posted the long transcript of an interview that Scott Boras gave XM Satellite's Chuck Wilson today.

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2008-11-06 15:59:48
1.   ToyCannon
Boo, we had a good thing going. Okay back to work.
2008-11-06 15:59:56
2.   Bob Timmermann
How long were you waiting for a chance to run that headline?
2008-11-06 16:03:06
3.   scareduck
Yo, soy un perdidor.
2008-11-06 16:09:04
4.   trainwreck
It would have been really something if Jon could have pulled off the title from the Bruno movie.
2008-11-06 16:09:39
5.   Jon Weisman
2 - It arose spontaneously out of desparation. I had about 15 seconds to pick a headline before doing an interview.
2008-11-06 16:10:42
6.   Jon Weisman
1 - Did I do something wrong?
2008-11-06 16:16:22
7.   68elcamino427
Step right up ... give me one thin dime ... one-tenth of a dollar and step inside and see for yourself ... with your own two eyes ... the great one himself ... better than Bonds ... better than A-rod ... Mr. Ultimo ... That's right Manny Ramirez ... It's the chance of a lifetime ... Don't miss out ... get 'em while they're hot!

Scott Boras doing his thing.
The master Manipulator attempting to help create the market.


2008-11-06 16:17:53
8.   fanerman
"No one questions the fact that every morning this player gets up at 10 o'clock and goes to the gym."

I would not mind getting up at 10:00 every morning.

2008-11-06 16:18:38
9.   trainwreck
I wish I could go to the gym every morning too.
2008-11-06 16:19:14
10.   Harold M Johnson
It all comes down to what other teams want Manny and would be willing to give him 4 years plus. There just aren't that many who would want to or could do that.
2008-11-06 16:19:14
11.   underdog
Well the headline made me laugh, anyway. Maybe I'm easily amused.

The thought of Scott Boras naked-wrestling with a large Armenian in a hotel also would make me laugh.

2008-11-06 16:19:36
12.   Tripon
Me quiero que los Dodgers contratan los jugadores como Manny Ramirez, C.C. Sabathia, y Rafael Furcal. Pero, si no pueden contratan los jugadores independente, entonces Yo hay peferiro Los Dodgers enfocan en los joven jugadores como Russell Martin, Matt Kemp, Chad Billingsley, y Clayton Kershaw. Y contratan los jovenes a largo tiempo contratas.

Wonder if that is anywhere near grammatically correct.

2008-11-06 16:20:03
13.   fanerman
11 I enjoyed it, too.
2008-11-06 16:20:54
14.   John Hale
Since the last topic was tickets I will ask the forward question of if you have any need for tickets at Safeco next season. I help run a group here and we had a pretty good reup considering the season but would be happy to add a solid baseball fan with Dodger leanings to the group. Feel free to wait until Betancourt and Lopez are ditched before making a decision.
2008-11-06 16:22:17
15.   trainwreck

I am sure there are others that could.

2008-11-06 16:24:56
16.   Tripon

Heyman still thinks the Dodgers are in the Peavy sweepstakes. Bleh.

2008-11-06 16:25:28
17.   trainwreck
2008-11-06 16:31:46
18.   blue22
14 - So you have a group that goes in on season seats?

I don't mind Lopez as much, as he should cheap and productive enough to hold down the second until Triunfel arrives.

2008-11-06 16:39:02
19.   John Hale
I have helped run a group buying field level seats since the M's started sucking 5-6 years ago. They are sec 119, row 16 if you want to check it out. We let people buy as few as 3 or 4 games.
2008-11-06 16:40:33
20.   blue22
15 - Yankees? Mets?
2008-11-06 16:41:18
21.   John Hale
Speaking of tickets. Being a northwest resident I looked into Vancouver 2010 tix.
160$ for standing room tickets for Ski Jumping? I might have to stay at home if thats the going rate for winter sports.
2008-11-06 16:41:48
22.   trainwreck
Both of those teams reportedly want to concentrate on pitching. Yankees also seem to be targeting Teixeira.
2008-11-06 16:43:43
23.   CanuckDodger
In the last thread Scareduck replied, in four points, to something I had written about the Padres. I'll reproduce the intro line of each of his points and respond to each point:

1. The Padres are a small market team.

Okay, I don't get this point at all. Does that mean we're supposed to set the bar really low for the Padres? Is it an excuse for bad management? There are plenty of examples of teams that build their teams well and finish with good records despite being in small markets.

2. They had a moribund farm system at the time DePo joined them.

Yes, they had a moribund farm system because of a draft philosophy that happens to be the same as DePo's draft philosophy. Their drafts are still bad, and that is despite getting a lot of extras picks. There is a reason why DePo was recruited to San Diego's front office: he is on the same page as the people who have been running things there for a good while.

3. WRT to Peavy, what do you expect them to do?

I didn't say that selling off Peavy was wrong. I said it is going to be why the 2009 Padres will be even worse than the 2008 Padres. I understand WHY Peavy has to be sold off, but as with Beane's recent fire sale of major league assets, it has to be said that acknowledging that the right thing is being done does not preclude criticism for things having gotten so bad that a good player had to be sold just to fill up gaps in the farm system. The gaps the Padres have wouldn't exist if they were doing a good job with scouting, drafting, and player development -- things that cost so little that even a small market team should be able to do them, and as Moneyball told us, things that a small market team depends on more than a big market team.

4. The Padres' 2008 was foreseeable.

Yes. I agree completely. I don't see how you are contradicting me here. Bad management decisions made it clear in the off-season that the Padres were not going to be good in 2008, and I recall Regfairfield devoting an article to that subject at TrueBlueLA last off-season.

2008-11-06 16:47:34
24.   blue22
19 - Are you listed on LinkedIn under your screen name?
2008-11-06 16:51:49
25.   John Hale
No my screen name is the only former Dodger to hail from my hometown. and a mediocre UCLA linebacker.

email me at carljmiller at yahoo dot com if you want to get more info

2008-11-06 16:57:08
26.   blue22
25 - Sent. Thanks.
2008-11-06 17:07:13
27.   Eric Enders
Boras: "When you look at Manny Ramirez, he's probably the greatest right-handed hitter in the game, and he's a historic hitter, a future Hall-of-Famer. He's helped two teams get to their respective League Championship Series."

So which team does he think Manny didn't help: Boston, Cleveland, or L.A.?

2008-11-06 17:07:42
28.   LAT
About to leave for my last trip to DS for 2008. At least, I won't have to listen to Rick Monday on the way home.
2008-11-06 17:08:31
29.   trainwreck
I noticed that too. Must have forgot about Cleveland since he did not represent him then.
2008-11-06 17:09:13
30.   LAT
29. Missed the entire last thread but I am more likely than not giving up my season seats. They have simply become too expensive.
2008-11-06 17:09:23
31.   GoBears
25. That linebacker was in my class this term, but he dropped the course when football practices and travel made it basically impossible for him. I didn't really get to know him at all, but I enjoyed all the missed tackles against Cal 2 weeks ago.
2008-11-06 17:15:26
32.   ToyCannon
Is that Lawyer talk?
2008-11-06 17:16:01
33.   rayg
this from Heyman-looks like Ned will be in on the CC bidding:
"One of the interested teams is said to have suggested they'd like something resolved by Nov. 14, when the full-fledged free agency period begins. It is on that date that the Dodgers, for instance, can begin bidding on free agent pitcher CC Sabathia."

I like to hear that.

2008-11-06 17:18:04
34.   Jon Weisman
LAT - send me an e-mail when you have a chance.
2008-11-06 17:19:23
35.   Harold M Johnson
27 I thought he meant that both teams he played for this year made it to the NLCS.
2008-11-06 17:21:49
36.   Eric Enders
35 Hmm. Maybe. It would be like Boras to claim credit for something like that.
2008-11-06 17:21:49
37.   scareduck
23 -

1. The Padres are a small market team.

That is, they have much less room for error than larger market teams.

*2. They had a moribund farm system at the time DePo joined them.

Yes, they had a moribund farm system because of a draft philosophy that happens to be the same as DePo's draft philosophy.*

Show where DePodesta was responsible for the Matt Bush fiasco. Winning also hurts them, and the players acquired from their stockpiled sandwich picks are far too new to really make much comment on. Further, I fail to see how poor drafts are Paul DePodesta's fault; he's not running the draft.

As for the Padres 2008 season being predictable, you damn them without really looking at what they could have done differently. Bradley goes -- I get that, he's burned bridges with every organization he's been with. The rest was really a consequence of declines; what were the Padres supposed to do to prevent Chris Young from turning into a pumpkin? You make it sound like the Padres stink because Paul DePodesta did or didn't do things that would have resulted in more wins than they otherwise ended up with. And frankly, I don't see any justification for that whatsoever, especially considering the corner they were in to begin with, and how limited DePodesta's influence likely is in that front office. It only gets worse with the Moores divorce and the resulting fractional sale of the team.

2008-11-06 17:48:21
38.   underdog
This is probably just TV hype to a degree but you'd think Browns fans would have let go at least a little of "The Drive" by now.
2008-11-06 17:49:17
39.   D4P
LAT - send me an e-mail when you have a chance

Can't he just deliver the message in person...?

2008-11-06 17:53:38
40.   trainwreck
I thought that was pretty funny too.
2008-11-06 17:54:52
41.   CanuckDodger
37 -- When talking about Padres' draft problems, the Matt Bush business draws way too much attention. It was an isolated case -- the one time ownership intervened, so really, I don't blame the Padres' FO in that one case -- that has nothing to do with the SYSTEMIC problem, which is a draft philosophy that prizes low-upside players perceived to be "polished."

And I don't really disagree with what you say about personally "blaming" DePo for San Diego's problems, because as you say he is not the man in charge, whether it be the big club or just the draft. But I think the point has to be appreciated that men like Towers and Alderson are men very much of the same school of thought as DePo -- they are not "Colletties." Ultimately, what I wrote that you replied in the last thread was meant to be interpreted in a context, and that context was addressing Paul Scott and his comments about the Dodgers. Paul has soured on the Dodgers because he doesn't like that DePo got fired and replaced with "the idiot." My position is that there is absolutely no way that I would trade the Dodgers' current FO for the Padres' FO. Logan White is just that important, even if he isn't the GM in his team's front office. His finger prints are all over what was good about the Dodgers for the last three years.

2008-11-06 17:58:25
42.   trainwreck
I would like to see a replay of that field goal.
2008-11-06 18:02:01
43.   trainwreck
I thought Towers was like Ned. He kind of switched his way of thinking, because he knew he would be out of a job with Alderson coming in. But I still remember reading that they liked how he had good relationships with so many general managers that they could use his skills for that to acquire players.
2008-11-06 18:02:41
44.   ToyCannon
Have old time Dodger fans let go of Bobby Thompson yet?
2008-11-06 18:12:49
45.   oshea2002
Back to the last thread - Kurkjian is the only person I repeatedly hear saying the Dodgers have no money. Now, they may have debt service problems, and obviously prefer shorter deals, but I'm not sure I but that there is some mandate of 3 years - clearly they know that 3 year deals will only get a certain type of player - and it's not CC level players.
2008-11-06 18:18:29
46.   KG16
8 - i use to do that when i was playing cards full time.

gawd, i miss those days.

2008-11-06 18:23:57
47.   LogikReader
My buddy who lives in West LA called me on his way home from work. He says traffic all over the westside is absolutely stagnant all over SM and West LA. Why?

Beacause of THIS:,0,3827549.story

My friend is absolutely livid. He can't get home! I won't go into detail but his opinion on several things soured.

2008-11-06 18:27:33
48.   Ken Noe
38 Not really.

2008-11-06 18:32:57
49.   LogikReader

I do believe "The Drive" was in Cleveland, and "The Fumble" was at Mile High.

2008-11-06 18:35:26
50.   Eric Enders
47 He could always call 911.
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2008-11-06 18:36:43
51.   Ken Noe
49 You are correct--what I actually said, as I remember, was that I cringed when I drove by the site of Mile High "where my dreams went to die."
2008-11-06 18:37:25
52.   LogikReader

He settled for a meal at "El Cholo." They have the Browns/Broncos game.

2008-11-06 18:42:58
53.   scareduck
My position is that there is absolutely no way that I would trade the Dodgers' current FO for the Padres' FO.

Maybe, but isn't this a false choice? The problem here is that not only are there structural differences between the teams because of market size, but there's reasonable evidence that Colletti, whatever his other mistakes, at least knew he had a good head of scouting. Colletti's other mistakes were pretty numerous, starting with his inability to tell good players from bad, and especially his free agency busts. Maybe you could say that the Padres don't have the luxury of screwing up such deals because they don't have the cash; fair enough. But why the pointless trade for Greg Maddux midseason? And moreover, if the Dodgers' FO is so smart, why is it that they're so damned cheap when handing out money to amateurs? Ned just is not a good judge of talent, is too averse to the risks of young players, and consistently underestimates the risks of older players.

2008-11-06 18:43:21
54.   scareduck
47 - I am SO glad I no longer work in Westwood.
2008-11-06 18:45:36
55.   El Lay Dave
52 Mexican food, tequila, football. See, all's well that ends well.
2008-11-06 18:47:08
56.   scareduck
41 - My position is that there is absolutely no way that I would trade the Dodgers' current FO for the Padres' FO.

This is a misdirection; he didn't say he wanted Kevin Towers. He was upset at DePodesta leaving, and being roughly treated on his way out the door. (I agree with him, by the way.) The Dodgers were better with DePodesta, who took intelligent risks. His only real downside was press relations.

2008-11-06 18:48:48
57.   LogikReader
El Cholo's a pretty neat place. I got to swing by once and enjoyed the atmosphere. I like how they have that cool bar with the TVs.

And Tommy Davis made an appearance that month!

2008-11-06 19:13:16
58.   CanuckDodger
53 -- "... if the Dodgers' FO is so smart, why is it that they're so damned cheap when handing out money to amateurs?"

I don't believe being smart or not has anything to do with that, because I don't believe our FO has any other options. In all MLB organizations, ownership sets the budget for spending on amateur talent, just like it sets the payroll for the MLB roster, and an FO has to work within that. In short, blame McCourt. (Hey! That has a great ring to it!) After the draft this year, the Padres spent $5 million on signing Latin American amateurs. I don't think the Dodgers spent as much as $100,000 on Latin American amateurs during the same period. Who is supposed to be the small market team, and who is the big market team? If you believe the people who work for McCourt are happy about that, I have a bridge to sell you. But what are those employees supposed to do when McCourt is pinching pennies? Quit?

"Ned just is not a good judge of talent, is too averse to the risks of young players, and consistently underestimates the risks of older players."

I agree with that, which is why I said in my reply to Paul Scott that I don't like Ned. And I have said often enough that I want Logan White to be promoted to GM. As for Towers as a GM, he has made some good trades, but he has also made some really dumb commitments to the sort of older, declining players Ned likes. And worst of all as far as I'm concerned: Towers fired Logan White when White worked for the Padres' organization.:)

2008-11-06 19:29:31
59.   trainwreck
I swear, every young quarterback looks better than Jamarcus Russell.
2008-11-06 19:37:37
60.   Marty
El Cholo, at least the one on Western, is a fun place. But I don't go there for the food.
2008-11-06 20:00:28
61.   underdog
This game's gonna give me a heart attack, and on a Thursday night no less. At least there's The Office and 30 Rock to come soon. Man, Kellen Winslow's a punk.

I would've challenged that TD, too, though it was a good call. I really thought they'd stopped him.

2008-11-06 20:04:50
62.   underdog
Peyton Hillis, who was the blocking FB for Darren McFadden and Felix Jones, is now the Broncos only RB. And he's pretty good. But that's not how I drew their depth chart up awhile back.
2008-11-06 20:07:42
63.   trainwreck
White rb? What decade is this? ; )
2008-11-06 20:09:07
64.   Jon Weisman
Second base defense: Jeff Kent is last:

2008-11-06 20:12:07
65.   underdog
63 He's the second coming of Rob Lytle!

Er, no, I hope he's better than that actually.

64 Who's Jeff Kent? Was he our 2B once?

2008-11-06 20:15:39
66.   trainwreck
Marshall was going to pull out something for a TD celebration, but his teammates stopped him from doing it.
2008-11-06 20:17:40
67.   underdog
Woo hoo!

Okay, too much time left on the clock. That's it, I can't take it... {change channels}

2008-11-06 20:18:01
68.   LogikReader
Goodness! This game could come down to a Brady Quinn drive down the field?
2008-11-06 20:19:14
69.   trainwreck
ESPN is saying that the Phillies are targeting Matt Holliday.
2008-11-06 20:19:50
70.   underdog
66 Looked like he was having panty shield issues.
2008-11-06 20:21:45
71.   trainwreck
The Browns are basically a more talented version of the Raiders.
2008-11-06 20:22:44
72.   underdog
I like seeing Kellen Winslow goof to end it. I agree with Collinsworth too, to not even show run there on 4th and 1 was really odd. I don't believe it... a defensive stop!
2008-11-06 20:26:39
73.   trainwreck
lol I guess Winslow dropping a pass he easily had is a defensive stop to be proud of.
2008-11-06 20:29:13
74.   trainwreck
I was just about to type, I hope I am not facing a team with Cutler in DT league this week.

I go and check, and of course, I am.

2008-11-06 20:32:05
75.   underdog
73 - I'll take what I can get!

74 - Oh man! Uhh... sorry. I'm going against Eddie Royal this week, but I'll take that, too.

Did you see Marshall on the post-game show? Turned out he was going to do a bit of a Rule 5 violation, well not really - had a glove he painted black and white to show how the nation has come along way in race relations. Stokely told him to put it back just in case they could flag him for celebrating. That was pretty cool (and probably wise to hold on to it).

2008-11-06 20:32:57
76.   underdog
Okay, gonna write for an hour, then watch 30 Rock. (Make The Office wait for later.) Hope it's a good one. Hasta luego.
2008-11-06 20:37:11
77.   silverwidow
My fantasy team loves Jay Cutler.

Nice to have a 40 spot before Sunday even begins.

2008-11-06 20:39:43
78.   LogikReader
Here's a fun way to waste time:

Here is a short video of a man flipping channels on a TV. Can you identify when this Cubs game was played in this clip?

2008-11-06 20:40:19
79.   trainwreck
Okay, that explains it. I was wondering why he was busting out a glove.
2008-11-06 20:50:36
80.   oshea2002
Heyman just posted a Dodgers/Manny article. He is claiming LA is so far from offering what Manny wants that multiple teams all have a better shot at him - and then the part that makes no sense - that the Dodgers won't budge off of 2 years, unless "fan response" requires it.
2008-11-06 21:17:35
81.   kinbote
Interesting post over on Bad Altitude. His take on our Manny offer is more in line with the mainstream media's portrayal of it. The Holliday situation is similar to the Santana one last offseason. Whoever gets him is likely to be quite pleased.
2008-11-06 21:34:34
82.   LogikReader

I believe the game was from May 5, 2008.


I don't know who is pulling the strings with the Manny negotiation, but the organization as a whole is once again showing its true colors.

If the Dodgers play hanky panky with Boras and then go out and overpay more old mediocre players, I will be livid.

2008-11-06 21:34:49
83.   Dodgers49
Padres say Peavy is headed to Cubs, Braves or Dodgers

>> DANA POINT, Calif. — The San Diego Padres anticipate trading ace Jake Peavy this month to the Chicago Cubs, Atlanta Braves or Los Angeles Dodgers, Padres general manager Kevin Towers said Thursday. <<

## "Jake's preference is to stay in the National League, and preferably out West because he moved his family (from Alabama) to San Diego," said Axelrod, briefed Wednesday by Towers ##

2008-11-06 21:55:56
84.   kinbote
[H]e moved his family (from Alabama) to San Diego

Wasn't there a show about that?

2008-11-06 22:12:34
85.   trainwreck
Too bad for Peavy, we don't match up.
2008-11-07 02:14:16
86.   bablue
71, Many teams fit this criteria. :-)

74, I'm facing Cutler in my league too. Ugh. At least I'm facing Braylon Edwards though, he only put up a two.

I think the FO will surprise you guys and sign one of Manny or CC. Actually I'm probably more just desperate that they do. (Please Ned please!)

2008-11-07 04:32:01
87.   ibleedbloo
Just watched last nights episode of The Office; top 3 of all time! I may feel differently if I rewatch, but I haven't laughed that much in a long time. The Dundies episode is still my favorite, but this was definitely a 5 star episode.
2008-11-07 06:47:45
88.   Disabled List
I just want to offer my opinion that the Dodgers' offer to Manny is a transparent joke.
2008-11-07 07:10:00
89.   D4P
the Dodgers' offer to Manny is a transparent joke

A 12.5ish percent raise in salary for a 36-year old designated hitter (who will turn 37 early in the 2009 season) doesn't seem insulting to me.

2008-11-07 07:32:29
90.   JoeyP
Too bad for Peavy, we don't match up.

Ethier/Kershaw/Elbert for Peavy might get it done.

2008-11-07 07:33:09
91.   ToyCannon
It may be insulting to Manny and Boras but in this day and age when aging power hitters will not have the benefit of PED's it makes perfect sense to not go over 3 years. Manny may still be a good hitter at age 38 but he won't be the best hitter in the league and that is what he wants to be paid.

We should just enjoy what he gave us, the Dodgers never intended on signing him, as there is no fit for an aging slugger who is really a DH in our league. Manny looked great for two months, he won't look so great in the future playing LF. Those knee problems didn't just go away, he played through them for the contract. He won't do that again.

2008-11-07 07:36:03
92.   Bumsrap
Do the Dodgers really want the Manny they will get if that Manny is unhappy with his contract?
2008-11-07 07:36:51
93.   JoeyP
Manny's not going to sign a contact that he doesnt like.
2008-11-07 07:37:51
94.   Bumsrap
Like the one he signed with Boston?
2008-11-07 07:39:18
95.   jasonungar07
After watching all of the 2007 and 2008 seasons I too have concluded that Manny is worth only 9 million more than Jones. Boras just needs to get the memo
2008-11-07 07:40:02
96.   Gen3Blue
Isn't it possible that the free agent market may for once see a downturn that bears some connection to whats going on in the real world? The Yankees have seen the negative side of long contracts and seem to be working on the farm, as have the Red Sox. The Dodgers are much burned, and the Mets seem cautious.

I know, I've had this fantasy before!

2008-11-07 07:46:00
97.   MC Safety
90 That's "matching up" with the Padres?
2008-11-07 07:48:53
98.   Gen3Blue
91 Thats well put. I would like to think Boras may have to back down on contract length as has been happening recently, but then there is the fact that Manny could be a great DH.
Imagine if he had gotten Jones 6 years.
2008-11-07 07:50:06
99.   Bumsrap
The Dodgers could really use CC and may be talking with the Padres about Peavy in case CC costs too much or he chooses to go elsewhere. That said, if the Dodgers can sign a couple of pitchers that could be classified as adding depth/innings eaters, I would be willing to go with Billingsley, Kuroda, Kershaw, MacDonald, Elbert, Schmidt, Stultz, and Wade.

And, I can do without Manny, easily.

2008-11-07 07:56:37
100.   kinbote
Imagine if he had gotten Jones 6 years.

Do I have to?

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101.   Jon Weisman

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