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Lasorda vs. Snider: For the Kids
2008-11-13 13:07
by Jon Weisman

Forty years ago today in the Times, notes Keith Thursby of The Daily Mirror, Tommy Lasorda refuted, in pure Tommy style, comments by Duke Snider that the Dodger organization was a shambles.

"He couldn't be more wrong if he thinks the Dodger future is dim. We've got more bright young prospects in the organization than ever before. ...

"Remember these names ... Ted Sizemore, Billy Buckner, Steve Garvey and Bob Valentine. They're all eventually going to be tremendous hits in Los Angeles. ...

"Duke's got to be a little goofy. If we really were short on young talent, who do you think would share the blame. Up until a couple of months ago, Snider was one of our top scouts."

Meanwhile, enjoy the ad (in the second link above) for Therese and Isabelle, which seems to have been the Rochelle, Rochelle of its day.

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2008-11-13 13:23:19
1.   Dodgers49
Dodgers yet to hear back from Manny

>> "I fully intend at some time to talk to the Dodgers about Manny," Boras said. "They have interest in him and he had a beneficial time there. I hope the Dodgers are involved until the end. We are not trying to exclude them. I'll give Ned a ring or he'll call me to sit and meet. There's not any line in the sand for me. Whoever calls first." <<

## "He pays for himself," Boras said.

Indeed, even the Wall Street Journal chimed in on Thursday with an article that estimated Ramirez's value at $27 million a year based on a formula that calculates how many wins a free-agent player is worth. ##

2008-11-13 13:24:10
2.   Bob Hendley
As a boy, I always dreamed that Bobby V.was the second coming of Pete Reiser.
2008-11-13 13:24:15
3.   underdog
So Jhonny Nunez is the other part of that Swisher deal? Wasn't he once a Dodger farmhand? That makes two former Dodgers sent back to the CWS in that trade.
2008-11-13 13:29:49
4.   Louis in SF
Remember Ted Sizemore as being part of the "Mod Squad" which also included Garvey and Russell and I guess Buckner. That group was important for me since they seemed to be the prelude to the real renisance of the Dodgers after going through the real terrible years of 67,68.
2008-11-13 13:32:46
5.   cargill06
If the Yankees, as expected, come roaring out of the free-agent blocks, offering CC Sabathia a six-year deal in the neighborhood of $140 million, how many teams can possibly even hang in there with them in the CC Derby?

The Dodgers? "I don't think they have the money to go that deep," said an executive of one club who knows owner Frank McCourt well. Our follow-up question: That deep in years or in dollars? "Both," the exec said.

2008-11-13 13:39:58
6.   Harold M Johnson
Yankees acquire Nick Swisher, Betemiet to the White Sox. Swisher is roughly 3 years/ 23m. For those who know better then I, does this mean that the Yankees won't be looking to sign another outfielder, or will Damon/Swisher platoon in CF and they will sign another OF?
2008-11-13 13:44:23
7.   underdog
Swisher will likely play 1st most of the time, since they are unlikely re-sign Giambi. He can also fill in as needed in the OF. Still not sure what they're doing about center.

Perhaps they would be interested in a nice Pierre?

2008-11-13 13:44:50
8.   Harold M Johnson
Oh and the other question, does this pave the way for Pierre to the White Sox?
2008-11-13 13:50:47
9.   oshea2002
I know the TV deal stinks, but can someone explain why (if even true) the Dodgers would have these money problems that Kurkjian and the like are always talking about?
2008-11-13 13:51:39
10.   blue22
6/7 - For the 1B/OF/DH positions, they have Damon, Swisher, Melky Cabrera, Matsui, Nady, and possibly Abreu (if offered arbitration). And they still may desire Teixeira.

They could do something like:

LF - Damon/Nady
RF - Swisher
CF - Melky
1B - Teixeira
DH - Matsui

and let Abreu walk.

or if they don't get Tex, bring Abreu back and go:

LF - Damon/Nady
RF - Abreu
CF - Melky
1B - Swisher
DH - Matsui

or they could try to trade Matsui and go with Tex and Abreu in some combination.

2008-11-13 13:52:12
11.   underdog
New from Jayson Stark, who looks at the off-season shopping lists for all 30 teams:

>>WHAT THEY NEED: Manny or an impact outfield bat, Sabathia or a top-of-the-rotation starter to replace Lowe, Casey Blake or a new third baseman, Rafael Furcal or a new leadoff man and a shortstop or second baseman or both. Is that all?


HOW THEY'LL SHOP: Should be a fun winter. The Dodgers have shed 12 free agents and nearly $60 million in payroll. So they have dollars to spend, but big holes to fill. They'll chase Manny, but they won't let Scott Boras spin them through his Cuisinart indefinitely. And if they give up on Manny, they'll be a major player in the Sabathia lottery. This is a team with so many rings in its circus, it's impossible to list them all. So suffice it to say we'll be talking Dodgers all winter.<<

2008-11-13 13:52:34
12.   Dodgers49
Peavy trade talks progressing

>> The Los Angeles Dodgers, frequently reported among the teams most interested in Peavy, were never seriously engaged. <<

2008-11-13 13:53:35
13.   blue22
11 - Is $60M in "free'd up" payroll an accurate figure? Seems high. He's not counting Manny's '08 salary in that, is he?
2008-11-13 13:56:54
14.   underdog
13 I was wondering about that, too. Depends on how you're calculating it, I suppose, and since it's not official who they're losing, only presumed, hard to have exact figure.
2008-11-13 13:59:11
15.   regfairfield
13 He's not counting anyone getting raises.

Nunez was the guy we traded for Marlon Anderson.

2008-11-13 14:01:55
16.   Dodgers49
2009 Spring Training Tentative Schedule
2008-11-13 14:02:51
17.   DodgerBakers
12 Has anyone heard what the player haul for the Padres will be? I'd assume the Dodgers would have to give up Kemp/Ethier + a pitcher like Billingsley or McDonald or someone else? Maybe more?
2008-11-13 14:09:17
18.   underdog
17 The general mathematical rule is Dodgers asked for 5-10x > what other teams are asked for.
2008-11-13 14:17:50
19.   bhsportsguy
18 That is the general sense one gets around this time, again the following is unsubstantiated.

The Padres, according to CBSSports, were to receive Braves shortstop Yunel Escobar (2nd year MLB), Class A outfielder Gorkys Hernandez (2009 Braves No. 4 prospect per Kevin Goldstein), either right-hander Charlie Morton or left-hander Jo-Jo Reyes (unranked, 5th starter ceiling per Kevin Goldstein in latest rankings) and either reliever Blaine Boyer or one of two minor-league left-handers, one of whom was believed to be Jeff Locke.

2008-11-13 14:22:36
20.   regfairfield
I was amazed at how many people on BTF were not willing to trade Peavy for Yunel Escobar.
2008-11-13 14:25:11
21.   underdog
19 Seems like the best offer the Pads are gonna get. They should take it. Will help restock their farm system and give them a better SS than Khalil.
2008-11-13 14:27:08
22.   DodgerBakers
21 It sounds like you don't think the Dodgers will match this offer for one reason or another?

I'd love Peavy, but I'm scared of the cost.

2008-11-13 14:29:05
23.   fanerman
22 I really don't think the Dodgers are trying hard to pursue Peavy and 12 seems to enforce that notion.

The Dodgers would likely have to give up a Kershaw/Billingsley/Kemp type, and that's a lot to give up.

2008-11-13 14:29:21
24.   JoeyP
Is Bobby Abreu too old for the Dodgers to go after?

Would it make sense to sign him to a 2yr deal of Manny falls thru?

2008-11-13 14:29:50
25.   DodgerBakers
I agree, and at least he'll be out of the division.
2008-11-13 14:29:55
26.   blue22
19 - What's an LA-based package that would be comparable to Escobar/Hernandez/Morton/Boyer?


2008-11-13 14:30:57
27.   underdog
22 No, I don't think the Dodgers will match that offer. And since they're in the same division the Pads probably asked for more than that.
2008-11-13 14:32:09
28.   OhioBlues12
After some of the talk about the Marlins in the last thread, it made me think that they have a couple of potential 3B, Cantu and McPherson. What is the deal with McPherson? Is he a AAAA player at this point, why didn't he make it to the bigs last season?
2008-11-13 14:32:44
29.   Harold M Johnson

If Braves acquire Peavy, they'll turn their sights on Furcal. Rafael is drawing a ton of interest, seems like it will be hard for the Dodgers to sign him...

2008-11-13 14:33:21
30.   OhioBlues12
24 - I would be all for Abreu if we can't get Manny. He still has some pop and puts up a good OBP.
2008-11-13 14:34:31
31.   cargill06
30 The Mets are interested in Abreu. He wants 3-45 and the Met's are not going to give him that.
2008-11-13 14:35:53
32.   Eric Stephen
More importantly, from the newspaper linked above, the Washington Huskies did in fact avenge the 48-0 loss by beating the Bruins 6-0 on November 16, 1968.
2008-11-13 14:44:14
33.   Jon Weisman
Russell Martin dethroned:

2008-11-13 14:44:30
34.   underdog
Abreu is going to be overpaid and overlong, imho. 1-2 years of him would be okay, but he's on the decline and I wouldn't want to go into those waters.
2008-11-13 14:46:42
35.   fanerman
33 Silver slugger to "just another catcher"?
2008-11-13 14:46:55
36.   trainwreck
I do not think teams ask for more from Dodgers, it is just that all the Dodgers talent is already on the roster.

We do not have the minor league talent to get big pieces without adding young players already on the team.

2008-11-13 14:48:08
37.   Tripon
Ranking of NL catchers this year:


2008-11-13 14:49:08
38.   Marty
And thanks to Milton Prell, the Alladin had the toughest par-3 golf course in the West. Obviously, he had never seen Arcadia 3-Par.
2008-11-13 14:53:46
39.   JoeyP
Will Ryan Ludwick ever duplicate his 2008 season?
2008-11-13 14:57:15
40.   JoeyP
Has anyone ever "figured it out" to the extent that Ryan Ludwick did during his age 30 season?

It'd be like Mitch Jones coming up to the Dodgers and knocking 37 HRs.

2008-11-13 14:59:47
41.   Eric Stephen
I know it's hard to win every single year, but Pujols owning only 4 (of 8) Silver Sluggers seems criminally low.

Also, Silver Slugger was the weakest of all the Marvel characters.

2008-11-13 15:02:43
42.   cargill06
40 Maybe more guys like that should actually given a chance and not be written off because he's older than 26 and haven't made it.
2008-11-13 15:06:05
43.   bhsportsguy
40 Well, it wasn't as if he didn't hit home runs in the minors, he hit 25 or more home runs in 3 of his minor league seasons.

His minor league line is .270/.349/.501.

Now, perhaps he was never a highly touted prospect and probably he will never get the big pay day since his free agent period won't be for 5 years but I think it was more of him getting a chance when a lot of guys got hurt.

2008-11-13 15:06:36
44.   JoeyP
Just off hand, the only real "older" players to be given a chance like that are Ludwick, Jack Cust, & to a lesser extent David Ortiz (though he was already a pretty good player that the Twins for whatever dumb reason released).

A year like Ludwick's has to give the Dallas McPherson type's some hope that its never too late to break through.

2008-11-13 15:07:24
45.   Kevin Lewis

I feel deceived

2008-11-13 15:08:59
46.   cargill06
44 Nelson Cruz this year, maybe.
2008-11-13 15:14:34
47.   Eric Stephen
Maybe Carlos Peña fits that bill. Before 2007 (his age 29 season), Peña's career line was .243/.331/.459, a 110 OPS+. He was released by the Tigers, Yankees, and Red Sox in about a year's time, then went on to post a 172 OPS+ in 2007.
2008-11-13 15:19:18
48.   Eric Stephen
Mike Easler amassed only 169 PA over 6 seasons before breaking out with a .338/.396/.583 (167 OPS+) for the 1980 Pirates in his age 29 season. He went on to be productive for 5-6 more seasons.
2008-11-13 15:20:29
49.   regfairfield
Rookies over age 27 in the last 10 years with 200 plate appearances that weren't transplants from another country.

Chris Coste, Edgar Gonzalez, Aaron Gueil, Joe Inglett

Drop that to 100 and you get Miguel Ojeda, Eddie Garabito and Bucky Jacobson.

If you lower the age to 27 you get some better names like Dave Roberts, and Mike Aviles

So really, the only guys who were suddenly given a chance in the last 10 years and was actually something better than a reserve was Aviles since Roberts had no business finding more work after his rookie year.

2008-11-13 15:22:48
50.   Eric Stephen
But someone like Ludwick wouldn't show up in that search since he had 365 PA before 2007.
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2008-11-13 15:24:48
51.   Eric Stephen
I looked at guys with a 150 OPS+ in their age 29 season in the last 50 years:

Really the only guys on the list who hadn't done much prior to their age 29 year were Ludwick, Peña, and Easler.

2008-11-13 15:26:59
52.   regfairfield
True. I was more trying to solve the mystery of "should we give these career minor leaguers a chance". The answer seems to be no.
2008-11-13 15:29:07
53.   underdog
Free John Lindsey!

(That's for Daniel.)

2008-11-13 15:30:21
54.   Eric Stephen
The answer to that should always be, "no, unless we are really desperate." The Cards fit that bill perfectly, and lucked out with Ludwick.
2008-11-13 15:34:43
55.   regfairfield
54 True. If Mark Sweeney is your primary pinch hitter, you might as well call up John Lindsey.
2008-11-13 15:36:50
56.   Kevin Lewis
So, my softball has to show up next week in case we end up in 2nd place based on the games before hand. If we do, than we play the championship game at 8:50, if not, we go home. That should be fun.

The best part is that there could be a 3 way tie for 2nd place. What will happen then? Ha Ha

2008-11-13 15:44:34
57.   cargill06
56 Wow, that's ridicolous if you end up not playing a game that night and have to show up and watch.

Similar situation last year in my flag football game, up 1 (or so we thought) we give up a 4th and 19 TD with 1 second left. We stop their 2 pt conversion so down 5 I complete a hail mary on the last play of the game. Turns out we were down 6 so that TD only tied the game, the next week they made us come back on our bye week (30 minute drive) to try our XP which we converted. Long story short a 1 hour drive and 15 minutes of getting loose for 1 play.

2008-11-13 15:49:49
58.   Eric Stephen
Wow, that's awful.
2008-11-13 15:49:52
59.   cargill06
56 How did that work out, was it schedulued that way or was there some type of rain out?
2008-11-13 15:55:05
60.   fanerman
57 Wow that's lame. So the other team must have also thought you were up by 1 at the time? That probably would have changed their gameplan if the game was actually tied at the time.
2008-11-13 15:57:49
61.   cargill06
60 Turns out the referee made an addition error. He announced the wrong score after one of the TD's prior to the last couple minutes. There was a lot off adding both teams were in the 40's.
2008-11-13 16:02:10
62.   Kevin Lewis

It was scheduled this way. Now that I look again, we are guaranteed to be in 2nd place, but we could be tied with 1 or 2 teams. One of the teams we beat twice this year, so if that is how they do the head-to-head decision, we win there. The other team both games were split and each was won by 1 run.

So, if we are tied with them, you gotta wonder if it will come down to a coin toss.

So far 57 is worse, but if we do show up, and lose by a coin toss, I think we will win in terms of lame stories.

2008-11-13 16:06:07
63.   underdog
I once played in a soccer playoff where our team was a low seed, played a play-in game, won it, played another game an hour later, and then won that and played in the championship game immediately after then. By then both teams had lost several players due to injuries and the rest of us were pretty much fried. Oof, that was tough.

But 75 mins of driving for one brief play sure takes the cake.

2008-11-13 16:07:39
64.   Kevin Lewis
Maybe we will have to do a Burbank playoff system. Choose three hitters and total number of bases wins the playoff.
2008-11-13 16:19:33
65.   MC Safety
What kind of contract you guys think Milton Bradley will get after his nice season, and who do you think he will end up with?
2008-11-13 16:26:42
66.   trainwreck
RIP Trailer Park Boys
2008-11-13 16:33:08
67.   Eric Stephen
Complete guess: he stays with Texas 4/$48 or something like that.

This article says the Jays and Rays are interested:

2008-11-13 16:53:19
68.   trainwreck
Javon Walker is supposedly out for rest of the year.

Worst signing ever!!

2008-11-13 16:53:33
69.   Linkmeister
57 and the potential coin flip in 62 remind me of a certain baseball game a week or two ago which decided the winner of a World Series.

That was the most deflating end to a baseball season I've ever seen (of ones in which the Dodgers were not involved).

2008-11-13 16:56:36
70.   Tripon
68 Doesn't that mean the Raiders can't even waive him now?
2008-11-13 16:58:06
71.   trainwreck
If they were, they were going to wait till after the season anyways.
2008-11-13 17:02:39
72.   Tripon
1st half Top Chef: Quickfire:

Why in the heck are they letting culinary students compete with seasoned executive/sous-chefs. Talk about your sacrificial lambs!

2008-11-13 17:14:15
73.   trainwreck
Yeah, I was a bit surprised that they seemed to have a few chefs that are not up to their standard now.
2008-11-13 17:17:12
74.   Gen3Blue
Look at the trajectory of a player who primes in his early thirties. Garrett Anderson might be a good example. Then look at what you might trade him for. A good exercise for preserving the core. And I consider Bills, Brox and Kershaw as core also
2008-11-13 17:42:38
75.   68elcamino427
Just a few hours till free agent blast off.
$cott Bora$$ ... Just do'in my job (Adrian Beltre - Alex Rodriguez)

Primal Scream

2008-11-13 17:44:54
76.   Dodgers49
Per Tony Jackson:

Manny Ramirez, Rafael Furcal will re-sign with Dodgers

>> At least according to, they will. <<

2008-11-13 17:52:34
77.   Tripon
I'll be surprised if Furcal resigns with the Dodgers. Somebody is going to give him a five year deal with $15 million per year. There's also like 8-10 teams in the running for him.
2008-11-13 17:55:19
78.   underdog
If the Dodgers had the Yankees payroll, they're re-sign Manny, Furcal and still be in the CC hunt. But they do not at the moment.

68 Man... I'm not one to say "told you so" but color me unsurprised, at least. He's sort of become like the Milton Bradley of football, except no longer with any production. Ah well. Keary Colbert is available! ;-)

2008-11-13 17:59:07
79.   OhioBlues12
I think I have come to grips with the fact that Furcal will not resign and Hu will be our SS. It really isn't that bad of an option, he is better offensively than he showed this past season and he is elite defensively. I wonder what happened to all of the optimism about Hu that was so prevelant last offseason? Many were saying that we shouldn't even attempt to resign Furcal.
2008-11-13 18:00:36
80.   bhsportsguy
What will happen first, one of the following free agents signing with a new club (Manny, Teixeira, or CC) or the Lakers losing 2 games?
2008-11-13 18:01:32
81.   underdog
Those of you with NBATV should know that they are showing the 1972 NBA finals right now, between the Knicks and the Lakers. Before my time as a cognizant Lakers fan, but it's fun to watch.
2008-11-13 18:05:09
82.   Tripon
Top Chef 2nd half Thoughts:

And there goes the 2nd and last Culinary student. And talk about your swanky apartment, those are totally better digs than the guys and gals at Project Runway get.

2008-11-13 18:09:06
83.   Eric Stephen
I guess I should have watched my Top Chef last night rather than wait until tonight.
2008-11-13 18:11:55
84.   Tripon
83 Oops, I am so sorry.
2008-11-13 18:13:44
85.   regfairfield
How is it that most guys that would never be caught dead watching the Food Network love Top Chef?
2008-11-13 18:15:55
86.   Eric Stephen
Gotta go with one of the free agents signing first. :)
2008-11-13 18:17:00
87.   El Lay Dave
85 There's a caramel kiss joke in there somewhere, but I'll let it lie.
2008-11-13 18:17:09
88.   Eric Stephen
It's no big deal, and anyway it is my fault. 20-ish hours after the original telecast is ample time to wait before posting about it. :)
2008-11-13 18:17:50
89.   Eric Stephen
One word: Padma

But, actually, I love the Food Network.

2008-11-13 18:21:45
90.   trainwreck
Padma + competition.
2008-11-13 18:23:09
91.   underdog
The Food Network just makes me feel inadequate as a... chef. But I learn some things. My g/f has an open crush on Alton Brown and I don't have the same on Rachel Ray so it's not fair. But I like Brown and I like some of their other shows, even that cakes one.
2008-11-13 18:24:06
92.   Indiana Jon
79 Some of us, or at least one of us, has still been saying we shouldn't resign Furcal. 15 million a year? That's nuts. He's not even close to worth that kind of money. Hu works for me. I would rather take that 15 mil and put it towards Sheets or Burnett, if not Dunn if we don't get Manny.
2008-11-13 18:25:09
93.   Eric Stephen
To counter Alton Brown (who is awesome), may I suggest Giada?
2008-11-13 18:26:29
94.   regfairfield
Makes sense. I was amazed how many of my friends Facebook statuses were something like: Skip is fired up for the Top Chef finale. This does not make me less of a man.

Seeing as I'm usually the one getting his manhood called into question, it was shocking.

2008-11-13 18:27:55
95.   cargill06
85 Not that I won't watch, it's just better for my health. Watching food network on HD makes me want to go whip up some jerk chicken or 7 layer lasagna at 11 PM and I really could do without all that.
2008-11-13 18:32:18
96.   underdog
93 Oh my, yes. Good call. She's smoking hot.

I may just accidentally bring her up the next time I'm reminded of Alton Brown's fabulousness.

2008-11-13 18:36:01
97.   Tripon
For some reason, I was confusing Giada with Rachel Ray.

Well, that isn't as bad as thinking that Paula Deen with Sandra Lee. (Semi-Homemade? Yikes, talk about reaching the lowest common denominator!)

2008-11-13 18:38:20
98.   trainwreck
The interesting thing about this season of Top Chef is that they already got a villain in place.
2008-11-13 18:39:49
99.   underdog
97 You won't do that again:


I enjoyed Top Chef but I refused to watch Project Runway. That really did threaten my sense of masculinity. I had to leave the room when my g/f was briefly into that.

2008-11-13 18:43:07
100.   trainwreck
I can't watch Project Runway because I just don't get it or care.
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2008-11-13 18:43:38
101.   Tripon
Richard Blais from Top Chef season 4 started a blog for season 5, and he's quickly is becoming the best analysis guy behind Tom

[name redacted] is filleted. Culinary students all over the country just crumbled their applications. It's not going to happen, ever. Nor will a career caterer, a middle-aged career changer, a sommelier, a food stylist, or a nutritionist ever win Top Chef.

2008-11-13 18:43:54
102.   Eric Stephen
I like Sandra Lee because she once had an entire show around tailgating food, and she and her kitchen were all decked out in USC gear.

I wonder how chefs relate to average citizens in terms of tattoo coverage. They have to be at least triple the norm!

2008-11-13 18:44:25
103.   trainwreck
Clothes are even more subjective than music to me.

Why should I listen to this person telling me this looks good and this doesn't?

2008-11-13 18:45:16
104.   trainwreck
Is she the one that everyone says can't cook?
2008-11-13 18:45:24
105.   regfairfield
103 Because there's lots of things that are just wrong. Jorts for example.
2008-11-13 18:45:43
106.   Eric Stephen
[name redacted]

Greatly appreciated! :)

(I'm watching it now too)

Richard was awesome. He has been the most creative chef yet on Top Chef.

2008-11-13 18:46:40
107.   Tripon
99 I watch Project Runway only to see how far the token straight male makes it though the show.

Somehow in season 3, two actually made it through and one won. That guy was also the villain of that season, so I don't know what that really says.

Its certainly easier to 'get' Top Chef, in the end we all love to eat food. I couldn't give a crap about fashion design though.

2008-11-13 18:46:49
108.   Eric Stephen
Not to my knowledge. I wonder who says that? Maybe the Contessa lady.
2008-11-13 18:49:33
109.   Eric Stephen
There's something cool about a competition in which everyone brings their own knives.
2008-11-13 18:53:14
110.   arbfuldodger
Padma/Nigella/Giada = mmmmmm mmmmmmm gooooood :)
2008-11-13 18:55:31
111.   Tripon
Another great line from Richard.

First, losing doesn't discount your career. Second, the 14 or so others who will be told to PYKAG will be scarred with an incident that people will remember. There are so many contestants whose names people don't remember. Did you really want to be the girl who always made pasta? The guy who shaved that other guys head? Or the angry lesbian on "that cooking show?" You'll be alright.

2008-11-13 19:01:26
112.   trainwreck
I am rooting for Eugene.

I also do not believe some of the ages of the people on the show, unless cooking makes you look far older than you are.

2008-11-13 19:05:03
113.   overkill94
Anybody know when Scrubs is premiering? I thought there was a concrete date, but the ABC web site just has it as TBD.

Also, I'm hoping they return to form since season 7 was an abomination. I found the first six seasons to be fairly even in quality (which is excellence), but season seven was barely watchable with all the silly relationship and baby drama.

2008-11-13 19:05:06
114.   mintxcore
i have the food network to thank for my fiancee learning how to cook. i can't thank it enough. haha
2008-11-13 19:06:59
115.   Jon Weisman
FJM has closed its doors.

2008-11-13 19:08:25
116.   Eric Stephen
I probably watch Scrubs with blinders on, so I didn't mind Season 7. I am a sucker for a lot of the humor and little quirks, so those got me through.
2008-11-13 19:09:39
117.   Eric Stephen
I guess two TV shows cut into the blogging time much more than one.
2008-11-13 19:15:49
118.   Tripon
What is the status of The Office spinoff?
2008-11-13 19:16:23
119.   Jon Weisman
113 - If you thought the first six seasons were even, I'm surprised you noticed any difference in the seventh.
2008-11-13 19:16:45
120.   Jon Weisman
118 - It doesn't have an air date yet.
2008-11-13 19:21:19
121.   Eric Stephen
Let me just say I'm not a fan of teases going into commercial breaks of things to come. Top Chef does this, Hell's Kitchen and Kitchen Nightmares do this (don't judge me!), a lot of shows do it.
2008-11-13 19:24:16
122.   Tripon
Is it just me, or they cut off a lot of the swearing from the first ep of season 5?
2008-11-13 19:41:29
123.   overkill94
119 It might be that I only started watching them week-to-week starting in season 7 so my expectations were higher by having to wait a week between episodes. Seeing them again in reruns reinforced my perception that it was horribly weak.

The show definitely changed from year to year, but I thought it stayed consistently funny through the first six seasons and then totally lost its spark in the seventh.

2008-11-13 19:57:50
124.   trainwreck
This Buffalo/Akron game better not cut into the UCLA game.
2008-11-13 20:01:58
125.   trainwreck
I now hate the universities of Buffalo and Akron.
2008-11-13 20:12:03
126.   trainwreck
I now like the Buffalo kicker.
2008-11-13 20:20:15
127.   Tripon
Kevin Towers told Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune that despite advanced discussions with the Braves and Cubs, he does not see a potential deal with either club. Krasovic wonders if Towers will now try to engage the Yankees and Angels.

And the Peavy saga continues.

2008-11-13 20:35:02
128.   kinbote
Free football in New England.
2008-11-13 20:44:10
129.   underdog
Jeez. My hometown is on fire again. :-( Hope those of you in SB are staying safe (although you may not be online since the power is out, according to my mom, in many places.) Westmont College in Montecito is on fire. Not good.

More here:

2008-11-13 20:58:01
130.   kinbote
New L.A. Times piece suggests Boras could help facilitate a Manny-in/Andruw-out scenario. It also name-drops Orlando Cabrera.

2008-11-13 21:04:18
131.   Tripon
130 Isn't there a rule in place that prevents that sort of thing specifically to happen? Package deals and the like? I believe Baseball put it in place when both Koufax and Drysdale threaten to boycott a season for pay raises.
2008-11-13 21:09:02
132.   cargill06
CC a Dodger yet?
2008-11-13 21:10:10
133.   kinbote
131 It wouldn't really be a package deal. It would be the agent (Boras) finding a fit for a client (Manny) while improving the situation of another (Jones). Boras has a chess board laid out with all his players occupying a square. All he wants is to be in the best possible position at the end of the game.
2008-11-13 21:25:33
134.   cargill06
Seriously, Andruw Jones to the White Sox? If Kenny is willing to start Griffey in CF for a playoff run, you never know.
2008-11-13 21:31:15
135.   Dodgers49
Manny, infield on Dodgers' to-do list

>> The Dodgers have now lost their top two starting pitchers over the past four years (Lowe and Brad Penny), four starting infielders (Rafael Furcal, Jeff Kent, Nomar Garciaparra and Casey Blake), a pair of key relievers (Joe Beimel and Chan Ho Park) and the eighth-winningest pitcher of all-time (Greg Maddux), along with Ramirez, Mark Sweeney, Gary Bennett, Pablo Ozuna and Jason Johnson.

With their departures, $63.5 million has been freed up from a payroll of $120 million in 2008. <<

2008-11-13 21:46:27
136.   kinbote
134 Kenny Williams is getting destroyed over this trade. Juan Pierre is kinda the anti-Swisher--can a move be far away?
2008-11-13 21:51:10
137.   Dodgers49
Let the bidding begin for Manny

>> For bidding purposes, the Angels' interest in Ramirez, voiced this week by owner Arte Moreno, adds intrigue to a rivalry between ownerships of the Southern California clubs dating to winter 2003, when a Dodgers front office, paralyzed by the pending sale to Frank and Jamie McCourt, allowed the Angels to scoop up free-agent outfielder Vladimir Guerrero. <<

2008-11-13 22:09:37
138.   Dodgers49
Sox send Swisher to Yankees for Betemit

>> Betemit hasn't lived up to his billing since becoming a prospect in Atlanta's organization at 16, but Williams believes he could blossom thanks to his adjustment to prescription goggles. <<

2008-11-13 22:11:31
139.   Dodgers49
138 Why didn't the Dodgers think of that? :-)
2008-11-13 22:16:35
140.   trainwreck
Keith Law must not be a Ben Sheets fan. He is listing Top 50 free agents and Sheets is not in the top ten, while Dempster and Perez are.
2008-11-13 22:22:43
141.   Tripon
Wow, Ben Sheets is 23rd. Behind Randy Johnson, and at 21, and Koji Uehara at 22.
2008-11-13 22:36:06
142.   trainwreck
Did he say why he was so low?
2008-11-13 22:43:57
143.   Dodgers49
Warning: Ken Rosenthal

ChiSox GM is up to something ... but what?

>> Dodgers center fielder Juan Pierre could be another option if the Dodgers pay a sizable percentage of the $28.5 million he is owed over the next three seasons. <<

2008-11-13 22:44:42
144.   Eric Stephen
A few notes:

Caveat emptor. Sheets' natural habitat is the disabled list, and he was pitching hurt when he was pitching at all by year's end

With apologies to Luke Appling, Sheets should inherit the nickname "Old Aches and Pains."

2008-11-13 23:19:45
145.   underdog
This is freaky -- they have live chopper cam footage of the Montecito/SB fire on the CBS2/KCAL web site:

And you can here the chopper pilot talking to people on the two-way, as he didn't know we were listening.

Anyway, nothing more nervewracking than watching your hometown burn while watching it all remotely.

2008-11-13 23:20:23
146.   underdog
Hear, not here. Obviously I'm a little nervewracked.
2008-11-13 23:20:30
147.   Linkmeister
Wow, Beimel declared F/A too? Re-sign him, Colletti! Anyone who wears #97 to honor his kid can't be a bad guy!
2008-11-13 23:23:05
148.   Linkmeister
Ouch. That fire is nasty. Stay safe, Santa Barbarans!
2008-11-13 23:40:06
149.   LogikReader
Hello all,

This is LogikReader reporting from the scene of another nasty fire in Santa Barbara. Unfortunately, the fire has burned over a dozen homes to date.

The previous two fires, the Gap fire and Zaca fire, were both started and contained west of the 154, about the Goleta area, or some 10 miles from downtown SB.

This fire is known as the Tea fire, and it is wrecking havoc over in Montecito, a fair 6-12 miles north east of Downtown Santa Barbara.

As you drive South on the 101 from Goleta it appears the fire is much closer than it is. Nevertheless, I live in the Lower Riviera and helicopters are hovering back and forth over my neighborhood.

I was watching the Jets and Patriots game tonight when my power went out, about 7pm tonight. I looked out my window and saw most of SB was out of power with me. Later I smelled a lot of smoke and ash and realized I'd better relocate just to be safe. I took my important documents with what little light I had and went to Goleta.

As I left, there was a huge blaze seen over the corner of my shoulder. It was very scary! So I drove away, with no lamps or traffic lights to help me until I reached State St. I went to our local bowling alley, Zodos, and spent time with a friend.

I returned here at 11pm, and by that time power was restored to my home, and the fires have been, hopefully, contained. The blaze appears to be much smaller now than it was initially.

Thankfully, we here in SB are mostly safe from the fire. About 20,000 residents were left without power, or roughly 1/4 of our population. However, I believe many of us have power restored.

The worst damage, and threats, lie in Montecito, where already a school has burned and Westmont College was forced to evacuate.

I'm home, I'm safe, and I'll be ready if I need to evacuate. As of now I think I'll be ok. I'm not really sure whether to go to work tomorrow at UCSB. That's the latest.

My heart and thoughts go out to everyone in Montecito, especially those who lost homes tonight. Thank you ALL on DT for your concern and help!

2008-11-13 23:44:23
150.   underdog
Thanks for the report Logik! I was worried about you and the other DT-ers in SB. Not to mention my friends and family there. My mom and stepdad are safe and sound and have friends who live closer to the fire zone staying with them tonight. (They live near the beach.) They lost power, but maybe it's back now. Sounded like the winds had died down which helps, but still really nasty. A lot of homes were lost. anyway, wow, thanks for checking in. Again good coverage on the SB Independent site and on that site. Fingers are crossed.

Ironically, I've been writing a script about wildfire/firefighters and wasn't expecting to get a more firsthand look at the whole thing right in the midst of it.

Oh well. Took a break to watch 30 Rock which was a nice distraction.

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2008-11-13 23:50:29
151.   LogikReader
In the midst of all this craziness, I saw my DVR still recorded The Office!

That means power was restored well before 9pm. It's interesting to know.

2008-11-13 23:51:42
152.   Louis in SF
Just read the free part of the Keith Law top 50 free agents and he seems to think that 3 years could get it done for Furcal. He didn't mention any salary. I have not seen any numbers, but somehow think that 40 million over 3 years with some sort of incentives is the way to go-it scares me, but there is a part of me that thinks the Dodgers maybe left at the station with all of the good free agents and end up taking expensive risks on drek!
2008-11-14 05:40:27
153.   Dodger Dawg
152- That's the Ned way of thinking.
2008-11-14 06:43:58
154.   Billy Buck
Any clue as to why the Dodgers seem to be showing no interest in bringing BEIMEL back? The guy has been a mighty good situational lefty for us without any arm issues, and those guys don't grow on trees. As much as I like KUO and ELBERT, these guys are walking histories of arm issues.
I think this is a big mistake.
2008-11-14 06:52:31
155.   Eric Stephen
and those guys don't grow on trees

Those guys actually do grow on trees. Middle relief is not necessarily consistent from year to year. Beimel himself was picked up on the scrap heap three years ago. I'm not saying Beimel hasn't been impressive (amazingly so, in fact), but he's not the kind of thing you spend real money on.

2008-11-14 06:56:20
156.   D4P
he's not the kind of thing you spend real money on

Yeah. He's no Danys Baez.

2008-11-14 07:01:10
157.   Billy Buck
I guess that's my question, then- what is the worth of a guy like BEIMEL? What would an acceptable contract be that wouldn't have this board screaming, yet would get the job done? If we done re-sign Manny and otherwise add a big bat, this line-up will scrape to score runs. With a lot of potential 3-2 games, a guy like BEIMEL becomes a huge factor.
2008-11-14 07:42:46
158.   MC Safety
143 Pierre, Elbert, and cash for Vazquez?
2008-11-14 07:47:31
159.   kinbote
My thoughts go out to Logik, underdog, and others affected by the SB fires.
2008-11-14 07:48:57
160.   kinbote
Dodgers interested in Randy Johnson:

2008-11-14 07:49:33
161.   cargill06
Keith Law ranks his FA's, top 5 including
1. Teixera
2. CC
3. Manny
4. Burnett
5. Lowe

2008-11-14 07:58:26
162.   Kevin Lewis
Very sad night to see my Alma mater on fire, and to see friends homes actually in flames on the news.
2008-11-14 08:00:02
163.   OhioBlues12
157 - Damaso Marte just signed for 3 years/$12 mil so Beimel is going to get a similar contract. We are better off using Kuo and Elbert and maybe Stults as our lefites out of the pen while offering arbitration to Beimel and getting the picks.
2008-11-14 08:01:36
164.   El Lay Dave
159 I echo that. berkowitz28 (spelling?) is a Santa Barbara guy too, I'm pretty sure. That is one awful fire.
2008-11-14 08:06:09
165.   El Lay Dave
163 Marte has more solid history than Beimel, a far better K/BB and better WHIPs. Beimel has the ridiculously HR rate over the last two season. I agree, though, that he may be offered too much by someone else and the Dodger would be wise to let him go. He's a Type B FA, so a team gives up a second-rounder to sign him, if the Dodgers offer arbitration.
2008-11-14 08:08:04
166.   El Lay Dave
165 [Marte's contract is for his 34-36 years, so the length seems odd to me. Well, the Yankees can afford to overpay if they get enough good years out of it, say 2 of 3.]
2008-11-14 08:09:07
167.   OhioBlues12
165 - Yeah, he probably won't get as much as Marte but he will be looking for the same amount of years which is too much to commit to a middle reliever given the volatility.
2008-11-14 08:21:01
168.   D4P
Sorry, fellas.

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that "the Phillies remain optimistic that they will be able to re-sign" Jamie Moyer. Moyer has said previously that he'd like to remain in Philadelphia after going 16-7 with a 3.71 ERA last season as a 45-year-old.

2008-11-14 08:23:23
169.   regfairfield
163 Damaso Marte can't be foiled by 90% of the population.
2008-11-14 08:24:34
170.   JoeyP
160- Randy Johnson wouldnt be a bad fall back option since I think he'll probably take a 1yr deal. He just wants to get to 300 wins and retire. He's currently at 295.

Doug Brocail- no thanks.

2008-11-14 08:26:14
171.   D4P
I think we'll sign The Big Unit.
2008-11-14 08:27:48
172.   cargill06
{171} Plus, he is very veterenxy and we all know how much Ned thinks veterens are sexy.
2008-11-14 08:29:56
173.   CanuckDodger
Brocail is a type A free agent. Yes, let's throw away a draft pick (potentially our first rounder) to sign a 41-year-old relief pitcher.
2008-11-14 08:32:41
174.   D4P
Yes. The Silver Mullet is very veterany, which will be attractive to Ned because Ned will think that Randy will (1) tutor the youngsters, and (2) allow the team to not have to rely on more than 2 youngsters in the starting rotation (which, in Ned's mind, is something you just don't do).

On the bright side, Randy is still pretty good, and will be relatively affordable (assuming he's willing to accept from us the pay-cut he was supposedly willing to accept from AZ).

2008-11-14 08:43:21
175.   regfairfield
174 Does Bills count as a veteran now, because even with Randy, McDonald is the number five.
2008-11-14 08:44:00
176.   underdog
Thanks for the good wishes, folks, and hope others who are actually in SB are okay. My mom just called and said they had three sets of friends (one couple, one guy and his son, and another friend) all sleeping over last night on various couches and futons. Thank God they live near the beach. Driveway covered in ash. Winds have died down dramatically right now which helps a lot and they're going to do water drops all day but the winds could pick up a lot late in the day again and kick the thing up all over again so today is crucial. Keep your fingers crossed.

We used to have fires like that every twenty years or so. Now it's every year. I won't get into a rule 5 violation discussion about global warming but it does make you think. Meanwhile, here in SF we're going to break heat records today, for mid-November.

Time to think about sports, and work.

2008-11-14 08:47:09
177.   underdog
Buster Olney Yankees make initial offer to CC, will be in the $140-142MM range. And the Giants have already touched base with Sabathia's agents, too.

Feh. If he's gonna give anyone a hometown discount it'd be the Giants (or A's), but I don't see the Giants being able to come up with enough anyway.

2008-11-14 08:55:36
178.   D4P
Does Bills count as a veteran now

Probably not. He's only 24, and he performed poorly in the playoffs.

2008-11-14 08:55:37
179.   Eric Stephen
Time to think about sports, and work

You had me, then you lost me. :)

2008-11-14 08:59:52
180.   underdog
179 I lost myself. :-)

Well, even work seems more pleasant a prospect right now than fretting about fire.

2008-11-14 09:01:21
181.   Eric Stephen
According to various reports, Randy Johnson wanted 50% of his 2008 salary ($10m) to stay with Arizona, but the D-Backs wouldn't go higher than $3m or so.

That leads me to believe that The Big Unit won't be offered arbitration, since he would make at least $8m (80% of previous year). Johnson is a Type B free agent, so that means Arizona won't get a sandwich pick if the Dodgers (or another team) sign him. It doesn't directly affect the Dodgers either way (the signing club won't lose a pick), but I enjoy the fact that Arizona won't profit if we sign Johnson.

2008-11-14 09:03:44
182.   kinbote
I'm not offering an opinion here, but Randy Johnson to L.A. seems like a logical fit on almost every level.

He just finished a 2y/$26 mil contract and was supposedly willing to accept as much as a 50% pay cut. By my math, that figures to $7.5 mil. Reports are Arizona offered him $2-3 mil and he filed for free agency.

I think Ned comes in quick and signs him to a one-year deal. Let's hope he fares better than LuGo.

2008-11-14 09:04:54
183.   kinbote
181 Your math is better. And you showed your work. :)
2008-11-14 09:06:17
184.   Eric Stephen
Part of his contract was a $12m signing bonus, so his 2008 salary was "only" $10m. But with accounting tricks, a 50% paycut could mean anything for 2009 from $5m to $6.5m.
2008-11-14 09:06:56
185.   Eric Stephen
I used to hate having to show my work in school. :)
2008-11-14 09:11:03
186.   cargill06
A 1 yr/ 5-7 mil contract for Johnson seems like a very good idea to me.
2008-11-14 09:13:53
187.   fanerman
168 My only sadness comes from not being able to see you react to a Jamie Moyer signing.
2008-11-14 09:15:14
188.   fanerman
177 Oh dear Ch-i no. Please C.C. don't sign with the Giants.
2008-11-14 09:15:24
189.   Tripon
181 THe 80% only implies to players still under control via the 6 year thing.

For free agents offer arbitration, the team can offer the vet. minimum if they want. Of course, they wouldn't do this because they'd lose and piss off the player. Still, that would mean a salary near his $10 million he got in 2008, not $8 million. The system wouldn't really allow him to take a paycut like that via arbitration, he could submit a salary around $10 million and have a good chance of winning it.

2008-11-14 09:15:25
190.   Bob Timmermann
At least I have a valid reason for disliking Jamie Moyer, to wit, he married Digger Phelps' daughter.

D4P's hatred? That's just irrational!

2008-11-14 09:17:41
191.   cargill06
Jamie Moyer lead me discussing what a joke that Ryan Fitzgerald and Tyler Thigpen were starting QB's int he NFL. That Tyler Thigpen has a possibility of looking like a very dumb comment. (If not already.)
2008-11-14 09:21:22
192.   regfairfield
189 That's the first I've heard of that. Why wouldn't you offer everyone arbitration if you could do that?
2008-11-14 09:26:38
193.   kinbote
186 I would guess 1y/$5 mil with incentives (games started or innings pitched) that could push it to $10 mil. I suppose one has to consider the "value-added" a hall-of-famer nearing a major milestone would bring.

Coming soon! Commemorative plates featuring Randy Johnson's 300th win. Each plate features a custom drawing of Johnson leaving the mound in the 6th inning of a 4-3 game against the Cincinnati Reds. Relive this cherished moment night after night with your entire family.

2008-11-14 09:26:49
194.   Tripon
192 Because it would quickly escalate salaries even more?
2008-11-14 09:27:54
195.   Daniel Zappala
191 I'm sure all Irish look the same to you, but that's Fitzpatrick, not Fitzgerald. ;-)

I'm still surprised the Rams gave up on him, since he is at least a decent backup.

2008-11-14 09:31:24
196.   MC Safety
Awesome. The Giants are talking about adding another 100 million dollar pitcher, and the Dodgers are talking about 45 year old Randy Johnson.

Gotta love Ned.

2008-11-14 09:32:23
197.   cargill06
195 But the Rams had a chance to sign Mark Sweeney... I mean Trent Green.
2008-11-14 09:33:03
198.   Eric Stephen
Someone posted that as well on BTF and I'm skeptical. I will check the copy of the CBA when I get back in the office.
2008-11-14 09:33:38
199.   LogikReader
Hi again everybody,

Thanks again for offering us your best wishes and thoughts. That's very kind of you.

Fortunately my home appears to be safe for the moment. I got off rather easily. At 5 a.m. I received a reverse-911 call of an Evacuation Warning. That just means to prepare important items in case of an actual evacuation.

I had plenty of time to pack a few things for the weekend, my important papers, and some data tapes. As of now I'm back at work, still safe.

One of my friends was wondering why I was at work, but I wanted to take care of a few important things. The best thing is, midtown Santa Barbara and westward is not in the path of the Tea fire. Winds are low right now but expect to pick up about noon today. That gives firefighters a good window to try and knock down as much of the fire as possible.

That's the latest from here at work in UCSB. Wishing you all well from the Central Coast!

2008-11-14 09:33:49
200.   regfairfield
Since the odds of us missing out on the premier free agents seems pretty high, what veteran stop gaps would you not hate?

I'm all for Mark Grudzielanek rejoining the team. Paul Byrd wouldn't look terrible in Dodger blue.

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2008-11-14 09:34:13
201.   Tripon
Can we just call Ned's free agent dealings, "NedBall"?
2008-11-14 09:36:43
202.   underdog
196 Just because the Giants are talking about CC doesn't mean they'll be able to do anything about. Nor is pitching really their problem anyway. It'll be hard for the Dodgers or Giants or anyone to outbid the Yankees. One year of The Mullet wouldn't be so bad.

199 My fingers and toes are crossed so hard they're purple.

2008-11-14 09:36:53
203.   natepurcell
I like the idea of rat face for one year...
2008-11-14 09:42:38
204.   Bob Timmermann
I think one reason teams don't offer their potential free agents arbitration with ridiculously low offers is that they would be hit with an unfair labor practice grievance.

Let's say I'm a player eligible for arbitration called Lerek Dowe. I come in expecting a fair hearing from the panel of arbiters. My team's arbitration expert, Mik Gn, comes in with her offer.

My agent says "$15 million."
Gn says "$350,000."

The arbiters have to pick one of the two figures. So they hear the evidence.

During the hearing, my agent gets pissed off and throws a glossy binder at Gn. Then the whole process breaks down.

Meanwhile, union boss Johnny Lively comes in and files a grievance. Everyone else in arbitration pulls out of the process and files for free agency.

2008-11-14 09:47:06
205.   LogikReader
Gee whiz... the Dodgers sure don't want to act like a big market team do they? Now, granted, there's no way of telling how durable CC Sabathia is, but hearing all the reports on other teams (even the Giants!) going after him and nothing from the Dodgers is very telling.

Incidentally I am decidedly not on the Ben Sheets bandwagon. I have a feeling he's due for some big injuries coming up. Its definitely just a feeling because he pitched 198 innings last year.


That's also the first time he's pitched over 160 innings in 4 years. It's hard to tell whether Sheets will hold up.

2008-11-14 09:49:26
206.   Jim Hitchcock
I'm all for Mark Grudzielanek rejoining the team.

Yeah, I always liked Mark. That .325 season was a lot of fun to watch.

2008-11-14 09:49:54
207.   D4P
Gee whiz... the Dodgers sure don't want to act like a big market team do they?

We acted like a big market team when we signed Schmidt, Pierre, and Jones.

2008-11-14 09:51:31
208.   jasonungar07
The Dodgers have never gone out (even tried really) and got the best player available under McCourt.
2008-11-14 09:52:43
209.   jasonungar07
All those deals above were taking the cheap route in a very expensive way.
2008-11-14 09:58:23
210.   regfairfield
Schimdt was arguably the best player available when we signed him.
2008-11-14 10:10:03
211.   kinbote
"Don't even think of moving that trash can." (SFW)

2008-11-14 10:17:25
212.   MSarg29
Ken Rosenthal is on Charley Steiner's show extolling the virtues of Juan Pierre.

"Pierre is not a bad player like many make him out to be. He may be overpaid but he's a good player."

2008-11-14 10:18:42
213.   Eric Stephen
The 80% only implies to players still under control via the 6 year thing

Well, I'll be damned. From Article XX.B(3) of the MLB collective bargaining agreement (regarding free agents):
"If the Player accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration proceeding under Article VI; provided, however, that the rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration figures under Article VI"

Nice call, Tripon.

2008-11-14 10:20:50
214.   cargill06
Just thought it was funny.

Edison Volquez (Cincinatti): I was so close this year, I think with decent numbers I should be able to win Rookie of the Year in 2009. What do you think?

Keith Law: (1:19 PM ET ) Jamie Moyer's the favorite there.

2008-11-14 10:23:39
215.   underdog
Speaking of the Yankees, this cracked me up.

Anyone care to calculate what that proposed roster would cost?

2008-11-14 10:25:59
216.   OhioBlues12
212 - I would agree with that but I would qualify it with "he is a good player on the right team". The Dodgers are not the right team.
2008-11-14 10:27:53
217.   cargill06
215 Why did Alex Rameriez and Robinson Cano change positions? That guy must be related to Juan Miranda too. That's just purely comical.
2008-11-14 10:29:03
218.   still bevens
215 Hah I've seen some similar posts on here, tho. 'All we need is to sign 4 of the 5 top free agents available and we're set!'.
2008-11-14 10:29:52
219.   underdog
Yeah, I just love that Jeter is in CF.

and A-Rod is not in the team.

Other than that...!

2008-11-14 10:36:25
220.   cargill06
Wow, why would Arizona not bring back Johnson for $5-7? A Webb, Haren, Scherzer, Johnson, (I think Davis). Is a pretty good rotation.
2008-11-14 10:38:12
221.   Daniel Zappala
213 Well, you won't really be going to hell for that mistake. I think you're being too hard on yourself, thinking that you'll be damned.
2008-11-14 10:44:11
222.   Jon Weisman

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