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Johnson to Los Angeles: Will It Finally Happen?
2008-11-14 08:58
by Jon Weisman

Some rose as he walked off the mound, while others waited until he approached the top step of the dugout at Dodger Stadium.

But by the time Ismael Valdes reached his destination, they had come together to thank him.

After all, it may have been the fans' final opportunity.

The pitcher received a standing ovation Sunday afternoon from a crowd of 41,306 when he was removed in the eighth inning of a 6-5 loss to the Cincinnati Reds.

Now, the clock starts for Valdes.

He is among the players the Dodgers are attempting to trade for Seattle Mariner pitcher Randy Johnson, and Valdes' career in Los Angeles may have ended because of his strong effort against the Reds. ...

- Ross Newhan in the Times, June 1, 1998

* * *

Yep, Randy Johnson-to-the-Dodgers talk is more than 10 years old now. Pre-Y2K, pre-RJ4K (in Ks). But not since that time has the talk had more weight than it does now, with Johnson having parted ways with Arizona and become a free agent.

Johnson offered to take a 50-percent paycut in order to stay with the team that he has spent eight of his 21 seasons with, but not even that was enough to persuade the Diamondbacks. While this might send up Jason Schmidt-like warning signals (if Arizona doesn't want him, maybe there's something wrong with him), a Los Angeles homecoming for the USC graduate still seems sensible enough.

Though his career seemed all but over - if not in 2007, when he made only 10 starts, then midway through 2008, when his ERA was 5.23 - he recovered to end 2008 with 184 innings, a 117 ERA+ and 173 strikeouts. His ERA in the second half of the season was 2.41. A short-term deal for Johnson could be just right for the Dodgers. Even if he doesn't pitch a full season, he would allow someone like Eric Stults to be a spot starter instead of a full-fledged member of the rotation.

What would it take to sign Johnson? According to Cot's Baseball Contracts, Johnson earned $10 million in base salary in 2008, though Arizona owes him $8.5 million in bonus payments. Johnson won't offer the Dodgers the same discount that he offered Arizona, but he could slot in probably for no more than the $9 million Brad Penny would have earned had he stayed in town, and perhaps a good deal less.

Johnson's days of exceptional pitching are over - he's no substitute for CC Sabathia - but it seems reasonable that he could replace the retired Greg Maddux. Of course, Johnson still is just one option.

Meanwhile, Dave Cameron looks at Sabathia's value at Fangraphs. (Link via Baseball Musings.)

* * *

Josh Wilker has a great piece on ex-Dodger Billy North at Cardboard Gods. Here's the opening:

It must have seemed like it was going to be a blooping basehit, beyond the reach of infielder and outfielder alike. Dick Allen, in the midst of the last of his many MVP-caliber seasons, had been running from second base on the play, and from what I've read Dick Allen was not just a one-dimensional mangler of pitches but an intelligent player who knew the whole game well. He must have sized up the fluttering wounded quail off the bat of White Sox teammate Brian Downing and been convinced that it would touch down safely in the outfield grass. He must have set his mind on roaring across home plate with the tying run.

Is there anything more exciting than speed? As the ball arced down toward the outfield grass, Oakland A's centerfielder Billy North suddenly appeared like a flash of heat lightning. This is how I imagine it happened. One moment no one is there and an eyeblink later Billy North is a green and yellow bolt catching the ball off his white shoetops. His momentum carries him forward, toward the second base bag, and I imagine that he thought about making the throw to the infielder waiting there to double off Dick Allen. Maybe North even cocked his arm to throw. But then North must have seen that Dick Allen had no chance to beat the centerfielder to the bag. (A sign of Allen's lack of fleetness came later in the game, when he was pinch run for by Tony Muser, who stole all of 14 bases in his nine-year career.) Billy North hung onto the ball and kept running. With speed like that, speed so transcendent it must have felt exactly like joy, why stop? The outfielder transformed himself into an infielder and stomped on the bag, ending the inning and preserving the lead with what has to be one of the more unusual unassisted double plays ever recorded.

Must have felt pretty good to be Billy North that day. ...

* * *

"Dodgers" and "monorail" in the same sentence? Tell me more ....

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2008-11-14 10:49:08
1.   Eric Stephen
From cargill in the last thread:
Wow, why would Arizona not bring back Johnson for $5-7?

There are various reports that the D-Backs have some real credit/money issues, and are really up against their budget. They basically have $10m to spend on free agents, and they still need to find a starting 2B plus some various bench/bullpen guys.

Their rotation will still be good with Webb, Haren, Scherzer, Davis, and Petit.

2008-11-14 10:54:37
2.   cargill06
Petit in the D'Backs rotation for a full season?? :-) :-)
2008-11-14 10:55:20
3.   Harold M Johnson
Great post about Dodger stadium. O'Malley wanted to keep it "pure" (no ads on the outfield walls, no football combo stadium) and that purity is what has made Dodger Stadium such an amazing place to watch baseball.
2008-11-14 10:55:20
4.   Daniel Zappala
There is nothing flatter than a joke followed by a NPUT.
2008-11-14 11:02:45
5.   cargill06
JJ, Liberty Twp OH: Predict the contract Manny Ramirez actually signs this winter, please.

Keith Law: (2:01 PM ET ) 4/$80, Dodgers.

2008-11-14 11:09:09
6.   Jon Weisman
4 - All comments preceding an NPUT are regaled equally.
2008-11-14 11:12:44
7.   Eric Stephen
Oh man, does this mean the Dodgers will finally acquire 39-year old Vlad in 2015?
2008-11-14 11:15:22
8.   blue22
5 - I'll take that. With the preferred Sabathia increasingly looking like he'll be a Yankee, Manny would be a nice consolation prize at that price.
2008-11-14 11:16:45
9.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
That season when the Dodger Stadium crowd thanked Valdez/Valdes? He was 11-10 with an ERA+ of 101.
2008-11-14 11:33:08
10.   Eric Stephen
That Colon trade sure worked out for the Indians, didn't it?

For Colon and The Eldest Drew, Montreal GM Omar Minaya sent the following to Cleveland:

Cliff Lee: 2008 AL Cy Young winner & All-Star
Grady Sizemore: 3-time All-Star & 2008 Silver Slugger & Gold Glove winner
Brandon Phillips: 2008 Gold Glove winner (with Cincinnati)
Lee Stevens' corpse

2008-11-14 11:34:02
11.   old dodger fan
With the Schmidt/Jones/Pierre trilogy costing about $40 million and $30 million of that disapearing after the '09 season it seems like a smart business move to give the high priced FA market a breather for a year and let some younger guys take a shot at establishing themselves. Jones or Schmidt might even play well and give us a bonus.
2008-11-14 11:39:28
12.   bigcpa
I will add that Johnson posted 11 QS in his 13 starts post AS break and completed 7+ innings 8 times. I fully endorse a 1 year deal. Just imagine those shots of Unit and Kershaw talking grips and release points in the dugout. Plus he would pay for himself with sales of mullet wigs.
2008-11-14 11:39:33
13.   Eric Stephen
What if the talent available this year is far superior to the 2010 crop? There is no one as good as CC that will be available next winter.

If they want to get creative, they can backload the contract to save some money in 2009.

2008-11-14 11:42:55
14.   ToyCannon
With Philips being the centerpiece of the deal as a young studly shortstop. Instead they give up on him and the Reds benefit, but that is one of the great returns in my memory.

They interrupted 30 Rock with the Santa Barbara fires which was fine with me. 30 Rock has really blown this year after ending last year on such a high note. I wonder if Tina Fey peaked with Palin and the rest of the career will just be living off the good stuff of the past.

Hope all you SB people are doing okay, the first picture I saw reminded me of the Laguna fires.

A monorail would have been so cool but I don't know how those things work out when 50,000 people leave at once instead of a few at a time all day long.

2008-11-14 11:43:40
15.   cargill06
Just imagine those shots of Unit and Kershaw talking grips and release points in the dugout.


2008-11-14 11:47:15
16.   Eric Stephen
It will be interesting to see if Texas gets a similar return from the players received in the Teixeira trade.
2008-11-14 11:52:46
17.   Linkmeister
2 things from that stadium post:

1) infrared heating for seats? In Los Angeles, California?

2) putting seats on rollers to accommodate football? That didn't work at all for Aloha Stadium out here, and the technology tried was 20 years newer than it would have been for Dodger Stadium.

Phew. Dodged bullets.

2008-11-14 11:54:50
18.   Gagne55
The Big Unit would be a nice addition, though I have doubts of it happening.
2008-11-14 11:56:57
19.   Gagne55
10 The threat of contraction(of the Expos) sure benefited the Indians.
2008-11-14 11:57:09
20.   Bob Timmermann
The meanest, hardest-hitting Stanford alum, aside from Jon, ever is going to retire simultaneously as a Buc and a Bronco.
2008-11-14 11:57:17
21.   Jon Weisman
14 - I thought last night's was the first clunker of the season for 30 Rock, though I liked the Night Court stuff. Aniston's character just was too annoying.

I don't think Tina Fey has peaked, but perhaps for you she has. Once your fondness for a performer starts to decline, it's hard to get it back.

2008-11-14 11:57:48
22.   old dodger fan
13 There is no pitcher even close to CC next year. I saw 3 guys on next years list but all 3 had that disappointing * that meant there is a team option.

I sure hope we sign CC and I sure hope Frank has some money left.

2008-11-14 11:58:28
23.   Jon Weisman
20 - This retiring with a specific team thing has gotten out of hand.

When I retire, I'm going to retire as a student of Collier Street Elementary.

2008-11-14 12:01:13
24.   LogikReader

Hey again everyone,

So far so good in SB. I am still pondering whether I should leave work early to check on my home. I haven't received any updates to the evacuation area. What that means is, no additional homes have received evacuation warnings as far as I know. Seems like good news to me.

The air around UCSB appears to be clearer, but I don't know what it means. I noticed we get have a little more wind at the moment.

So for now, I'm here at work. I hope conditions are still reasonable to return and get a good night's rest. Tomorrow, tonight, and Sunday I'll be spending most of my time away from the apartment.

Second note: another vegetation fire broke out in San Luis Obispo about 11:30 am today. I just knew one fire statewide was too good to be true.

2008-11-14 12:01:49
25.   Harold M Johnson
21 agreed, the first two episodes were good, last night's was flat. although as usual the best lines were the throwaway ones that you sometimes need to rewind to hear.
2008-11-14 12:02:31
26.   Gagne55
And bringing this back to the Big Unit, how about Seattle's haul for Johnson? 2 time all-star Freddy Garcia, 3 time all-star (after the Mariners traded him to Detroit) Carlos Guillen, and all-star and three time gold glove Mike Cameron. Then again, Unit went on the have a historically great five year stretch after that.
2008-11-14 12:05:08
27.   Eric Stephen
Lackey will probably be the best free agent pitcher next offseason. He's closer that we may think to the CC-level, but he's not quite CC.
2008-11-14 12:06:55
28.   cargill06
27 I'd rather have a healthy Burnett than a healthy Lackey, plus Lackey's velo has dropped to the high 80's range last year.
2008-11-14 12:08:20
29.   trainwreck
I will never forget waking up one morning in SB, going outside and everything was covered in ash and the air just stunk with smoke.

Never had seen that before.

2008-11-14 12:09:02
30.   cargill06
I just wondered to myslef, do I have a man crush of AJ Burnett?
2008-11-14 12:09:29
31.   trainwreck
Also had flooding that same year. It was like were being hit with plagues.
2008-11-14 12:11:40
32.   trainwreck
*we were being hit with plagues.
2008-11-14 12:11:55
33.   Eric Stephen
That was a great haul. I specifically remember Jim Rome making fun of the Seattle GM at the time for the "pathetic" return, even going so far as to re-enact a mock phone call between him and Astros' owner Drayton McClane, in which he kept frantically calling him "Dayton" (because he was so stupid).
2008-11-14 12:12:09
34.   old dodger fan
27 I don't live in LA but I thought he was a big fan favorite. I would expect the Angels to make him a priority.
2008-11-14 12:12:13
35.   Kevin Lewis

My fear was confirmed that a close friend lost his home last night. Also, it looks like 14 faculty homes were destroyed on the Westmont campus, along with 4 sectional dorms.

2008-11-14 12:12:43
36.   bhsportsguy
31 How did the game look on TV, at Pauley it looked rather ragged plus the kids played liked kids.
2008-11-14 12:14:00
37.   Eric Stephen
I'd rather have an injured Lackey than a healthy Burnett*. :)

*Only slightly exaggerated.

2008-11-14 12:17:20
38.   trainwreck
Offense looked ridiculously stagnant. Too much of players just letting Collison and Shipp try to do stuff on their own.

Also extremely sloppy with the double teams.

And Collison's lack of court vision really hurts. Hopefully Jrue starts to control the point more.

2008-11-14 12:17:57
39.   cargill06
I'm predicting AJ in a Dodger uniform gives us a 3.06 ERA in '09
2008-11-14 12:19:24
40.   trainwreck
I still have not heard back from my friends/ex-roommates, but they live in Goleta so they should be fine.
2008-11-14 12:20:18
41.   Eric Stephen
After my initial comment yesterday, I have decided I can talk myself into liking an AJB signing.
2008-11-14 12:21:33
42.   Kevin Lewis

Yea, Goleta should be fine unless we get some copycats (not saying this one was on purpose, but the ones that follow...)

2008-11-14 12:22:09
43.   LogikReader
Anybody here who has XM Radio?

XM used to have very hip, cool, and creative niche music channels. I loved it. We had lots of eclectic channels with enthusiastic on air talent. For the first time ever, I heard a concrete Punk Rock Channel (Fungus on 53). Even seemingly basic channels like the 80s and 50s channels played a few songs that I literally said "I haven't heard this in years!"

XM and Sirius merged in earnest a few months ago, with Sirius handling operations. When the merger took place, I feared XM radio would turn into Sirius: overplayed songs I already hear on FM, plus big name DJ retreads (apologies to Stern and Cousin Brucie fans).

Two days ago, Sirius/XM merged most of their music channels, canning all the niche formats and narrowing the playlists to "compilation albums" at best (Fungus turned into an all AC/DC channel... lovely). I do not like this homogenization of my satellite radio. It's not the same!


I usually don't read Simmons, but this was the quote of the day:

Q: Watching the end of the Jets-Chiefs game, you know what I hate most about the obligatory "number of game-winning drives in Favre's career" graphic? The fact that if he didn't suck so much for the first 50 minutes of the game he wouldn't need those game-winning drives. Really? You're putting a last-minute game-winning drive against Kansas City on your résumé? Does that negate the three INTs you already threw?
-- Aaron, Montpelier, Vt.

This was written before last night's game.

2008-11-14 12:24:28
44.   Jason in Canada
26 Not to be a stickler, but Cameron came in the Griffey trade, John Halama was the other part of the deal for Johnson.
2008-11-14 12:26:10
45.   cargill06
41 Sorry for beating a dead horse, I just don't understand the logic of endorsing Sheets but not endorsing Burnett. The injury past with Burnett is a legitamite concern, but to a greater extent for Sheets. Burnett actually went through 2008 pretty clean, whereas Sheets missed a bunch of starts at the end of the year and was unable to pitch in the playoffs with "arm soreness". This has to be a big concern, what if it's more than just "arm soreness"?
2008-11-14 12:26:40
46.   bhsportsguy
38 Its going to be Collison and Shipp's team, they have been in the program for 4 and 5 years and Howland trusts them to run the show.

Let's face it, running multiple offensive sets is not Howland's style, it has always been one player dominating the ball for long stretches of the clock.

It will help if Jrue can play good defense, that will keep him on the floor but I think he can't just float on the perimeter and shoot threes.

2008-11-14 12:26:59
47.   KG16
oh c'mon, I can't be the only one whose first thought upon seeing "'Dodgers' and 'monorail' in the same sentence?" to think that was more a North Haverbrook idea. Either that, or everyone else is much more disciplined than I am.
2008-11-14 12:27:14
48.   cargill06
After my initial comment yesterday, I have decided I can talk myself into liking an AJB signing.

Sorry for 45 , I read that comment completely wrong, I imagined a word that wasn't really there.

2008-11-14 12:28:05
49.   Eric Stephen
Certainly both have injury concerns, but when healthy Sheets has been the far superior pitcher. That's what I'm clinging to. Plus, Sheets is younger.
2008-11-14 12:29:13
50.   Eric Stephen
You have no idea how many times I've resisted typing "Mannyrail" in the past few weeks. :)
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2008-11-14 12:32:01
51.   KG16
50 - in a lot of ways, it's sad that I have so many automatic responds that involve either Southpark or the Simpsons
2008-11-14 12:32:08
52.   LoneStar7
that little article about dodger stadium was great..I really hope these plans for 2012 don't take away the purity and simplicity that is Dodger Stadium.

I'm at school in Dallas and when I went to Arlington I was so overwhelmed by the massive advertising and gimmicky stuff going on inside the park. I hope to never see any that in Dodger Stadium

2008-11-14 12:33:39
53.   Tripon
I wouldn't mind if they turned the area around Dodgers stadium into rows of massive apartment areas. I always thought it was a wasted opportunity that Elysian Park wasn't developed.
2008-11-14 12:37:29
54.   LoneStar7
53 yea that would be cool, I feel there is a young group moving in and around as well...a friend of mine lives there with her boyfriend and they love it.
2008-11-14 12:40:14
55.   LoneStar7
oh and by the way, I went to kings stars game last night and finally saw drew doughty in person. He is so gifted and incredibly smart with the puck for an 18 year old

this young kings team has been exciting to watch since Ersberg has been in goal.

2008-11-14 12:41:02
56.   ToyCannon
Yeah, let's remove Griffith Park while we are it. Who needs parks anyway, especially ones that are filled every weekend with families enjoying the time outside.
2008-11-14 12:42:30
57.   Bob Timmermann
You know what I think would be really cool for the Dodger Stadium area?

A big public housing project. We could have someone who was a student of Richard Neutra design it.

2008-11-14 12:45:10
58.   Tripon
56 I lived in the small neighborhood of Salano right next to the stadium, on Amador Street for five years. Elysian Park is hard to get into, is massive, and is situated in an area that is surrounded by poor neighborhoods that is heavily impacted by working class people.

You can still have the picnics areas for the families on the weekends, but lets also build some affordable housing for people who actually need it.

2008-11-14 12:46:25
59.   Eric Stephen
I knew the Padres filed a grievance against Khalil Greene trying to recoup some of his salary after he broke his hand punching a cooler, but what I didn't know is that they first tried simply to not pay him:

the Padres stopped paying Greene's $4.5 million salary, a response to the shortstop fracturing his left hand by slamming a storage chest. The players' union intervened, and the Padres paid Greene's salary, but the club since has filed a grievance in attempt to regain up to $1.47 million from Greene

2008-11-14 12:46:35
60.   jdbeauchamp
Just read the Dodgers are more likely to sign Orlando Cabrera than Furcal (per Shaikin).

Is this a length-of-contract issue? I think I like Hu better than this option.

Maybe I'm underrating Cabrera?

Maybe this has already been vetted?

2008-11-14 12:48:09
61.   Eric Stephen
I was in Palm Springs last weekend for a wedding about a block from the Neutra-designed Kaufman House.
2008-11-14 12:48:34
62.   Tripon
60 I think its just Shakin not realizing that Hu exists.

Although it seems he likes DeJesus enough to mention him at the end of the article.

2008-11-14 12:48:37
63.   cargill06
60 Orlando Caberera?? Yuck.
2008-11-14 12:49:38
64.   Eric Stephen
Shameful that I left off the 2nd n in Kaufmann, especially in a response to Mr. Timmermann.
2008-11-14 12:53:21
65.   cargill06
Orlando Cabrera is basically Furcal/Berroa/Hu/Maza all rolled into 1. Thos guys gave the Dodgers a 85 OPS+ last year with average defense. Cabrera had a 84 OPS+ with average defense.
2008-11-14 12:55:27
66.   LogikReader

I think the OC was brought up on DT sometime last week.

I agree, cargill, YUCK!

2008-11-14 12:57:38
67.   ToyCannon
Per Keith Law:
"The success of teams with good defenses this season -- particularly Boston, Tampa Bay and Philadelphia -- helps players like Cabrera whose value is largely locked up in their gloves. Cabrera still has excellent range at shortstop, moving well in both directions and coming in on the ball, and has good hands and an above-average arm. At the plate, however, he's below-average and slipping, as he can't catch up to good fastballs and has to start his bat early, bailing out if the pitcher fakes him out with a breaking ball or changeup.

He's an average runner at best and is also showing signs of decline in his speed. He'll turn 34 in November, and he's into his decline phase, so while he'd be a significant upgrade for most teams at shortstop on defense, a long-term deal will probably take the team into his years as a backup."

2008-11-14 12:59:13
68.   jdbeauchamp
Chad Fonville could play a little short. If only he were here...

I'm finally going to try Philipe's when I'm home this Xmas.

Worth the trip? Any order recommendations?

2008-11-14 13:01:10
69.   CodyS
60 Let's see Hu play for a year without going blind for months at a time before counting on him for anything.
2008-11-14 13:01:19
70.   Bob Timmermann
I like the lamb sandwich, but it costs more than the others. I also found that the small bowl of chili as a side is quite tasty.

Be sure to bring cash. Phillipe's doesn't take credit cards. Or debit cards.

2008-11-14 13:02:37
71.   Eric Stephen
Can't go wrong with the classic beef dip, but the turkey dip is great too.

Also, don't forget to buy a jar of Philippe's mustard to take home!

2008-11-14 13:03:43
72.   Bob Timmermann
A jar of that mustard should last a long time. Unless you chronic sinus congestion and want to clear yourself out. It is quite powerful
2008-11-14 13:06:17
73.   D4P
Phillipe's doesn't take credit cards. Or debit cards


2008-11-14 13:08:08
74.   Eric Stephen
Some would say quaint. :)
2008-11-14 13:08:09
75.   cargill06
73 Neither does China Express but those are sacrifices you have to make for the best chinesse food $3.99 can give you.
2008-11-14 13:08:51
76.   Bob Timmermann
Phillipe's does have an ATM on site.
2008-11-14 13:08:56
77.   trainwreck
So Phillipe's is better than Canter's?
2008-11-14 13:09:42
78.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think they are comparable dining experiences.
2008-11-14 13:10:11
79.   D4P
Phillipe's does have an ATM on site

Well, that's to their credit. But I'm guessing there's some kind of "convenience" fee associated with using it...

2008-11-14 13:10:20
80.   Bob Hendley
I recall being thrilled with the notion of Randy in Dodger Blue in DS, but can't recall who else we had on the table.
2008-11-14 13:10:27
81.   Eric Stephen
The only Canter's I have had was at Dodger Stadium, so I can't comment other than that, but I liked Philippe's better. I guess it depends what kind of sandwich you are in the mood for.
2008-11-14 13:12:48
82.   KG16
56 - i had a girl convinced in high school that Griffith Park was named for one of my ancestors, and i think i had her convinced that i got a cut of ticket proceeds.

i miss cheerleaders.

2008-11-14 13:13:11
83.   trainwreck
The extent of my LA dining that was not just some random place or fast food, consists of Mel's and some diner with a giant menu next to the bowling alley.
2008-11-14 13:14:42
84.   Bob Timmermann
If Philippe's accepted credit cards, it would likely have to raise its prices a bit to account for the bank fees.

Also, Philippe's does a lot of business and it doesn't seem that it's hurting for customers from people who don't want to carry cash with them.

2008-11-14 13:16:29
85.   cargill06
Ned Colletti will be on ESPN 710 in roughly 15 minutes.
2008-11-14 13:17:03
86.   cargill06
85 Or maybe 5 minutes, they're conflicting thier times.
2008-11-14 13:19:09
87.   kinbote
68 I know a little German. He's sitting over there.
2008-11-14 13:20:56
88.   bhsportsguy
71 Or you could get one as a prize for showing up first (or second next to me) at the next Dodger Thoughts picnic.

I usually order the lamb sandwich. I have never ordered the ham sandwich.

At least 2-3 times a year when I am at Dodger Stadium, their credit/debit card machines go out and it becomes cash only.

77 Completely different, Canters would be the kind of place you would go to after a night of drinking (see "Swingers"). Phillipes is the place to go for breakfast if you have an early court appearance or to pick up lunch or dinner for the game.

2008-11-14 13:22:49
89.   bhsportsguy
84 The dumpling place I went to recently (recommended by Marty) did not take credit cards.
2008-11-14 13:22:52
90.   Bob Timmermann
But what if I have to go to night court?

Court? At night? I'm already laughing.

2008-11-14 13:24:42
91.   bhsportsguy
90 I had a crush on the original public defender on "Night Court."
2008-11-14 13:24:49
92.   trainwreck
I should have probably eaten breakfast. All this food talk is making my mouth water and I do not even know what any of it tastes like.
2008-11-14 13:25:27
93.   jdbeauchamp
Good tips, all.

My French Dip experience comprises BJ's, Arby's and some "Home of Beef Dipped Sandwiches" in Fort Smith, Ark., so my questions continue:

Does the bread come pre-soaked or is it a dipping affair?

Is cheese part of the equation?

Will I be hazed, a la Chipotle, if I take a couple of seconds to peruse the menu?

Is this mustard a sweet mustard, hot mustard or Pouponesque?

2008-11-14 13:25:39
94.   fanerman
92 Haha me, too. I need to eat lunch...
2008-11-14 13:26:24
95.   Bob Timmermann
Paula Kelly or Ellen Foley?
2008-11-14 13:26:36
96.   trainwreck
It is all about Markie Post. She was raised in Walnut Creek!
2008-11-14 13:27:59
97.   Eric Stephen
I liked Night Court as well. I'm a sucker for homages to old TV shows or movies in sitcoms. The My Name is Earl Rudy episode was great.

Go figure: I can't stand Notre Dame, but I love the movie Rudy.

2008-11-14 13:28:03
98.   trainwreck
Randy Johnson was born in Walnut Creek. So it all comes together.
2008-11-14 13:28:36
99.   Jim Hitchcock
92 I knew I was smart to pick up a few mini slim jim's at lunch.
2008-11-14 13:28:52
100.   Eric Stephen
I believe the bread is pre-soaked. Cheese is not standard, at least from what I remembered.
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2008-11-14 13:29:15
101.   oshea2002
Canters > Phillipes
2008-11-14 13:30:11
102.   bhsportsguy

Does the bread come pre-soaked or is it a dipping affair?
To go, they dip the bread before prepping the sandwich, you can get some au jus to go too. Eat in, I believe you have similar options.

Is cheese part of the equation?
You can order it as an extra but most don't from what I have observed.

Will I be hazed, a la Chipotle, if I take a couple of seconds to peruse the menu?
No, but you usually have many minutes to do nothing but look at the menu so I don't think that will be an issue.

Is this mustard a sweet mustard, hot mustard or Pouponesque?
Hot but pleasant.

2008-11-14 13:32:53
103.   Harold M Johnson
At Phillipes I always get the beef dip with monterey jack cheese OR the lamb. Get a side of pickles too, they're really good. The food is good at Phillipes but it's not really about the food.
2008-11-14 13:34:08
104.   bhsportsguy
95 I was wrong, it was the court clerk position. Karen Austin played the court clerk for a few episodes before Mac took over.
2008-11-14 13:38:01
105.   blue22
96 - Markie Post was teh hot back in the day.
2008-11-14 13:40:04
106.   jdbeauchamp
So cheese is a shibboleth? I guess I'll risk the sore-thumbness of it. Not with lamb, though.

Thanks all. This trip is partially made to convince the wife that SoCal is an acceptable place to live.

You would think it would be easy to break a Midwesterner, alas.

2008-11-14 13:41:06
107.   cargill06
The Colletti interview just ended. Couple things I took away from it,

-If we sign Manny, lock up Cabrera at SS. He said if we sign offense at one position we can than look at defense at others.

-Derek Lowe really never had any interest in playing in LA beyond 2008

-Not sure how much money they have to spend this off-season. Asked if they'd be able to afford both CC and Manny, he said that'd be really tough. What would both those guys cost in annual salary? $50?

2008-11-14 13:41:17
108.   bhsportsguy
Ned did say that he did not believe that the Dodgers would not be able to afford both CC and Manny "without some creative financing."

Ned says that the Dodgers are not pursuing Derek Lowe as he believes Lowe is interested in other options. Still interested in Furcal.

Today was the first time I heard the Dodgers express any interest in CC.

2008-11-14 13:42:21
109.   cargill06
107 And they have yet to make any contact with CC yet, he said he saw him pitch in HS and once in Dodger stadium this year, other than that that's all he's seen of him.
2008-11-14 13:43:42
110.   bhsportsguy
106 If you want to feel at home, go to the Pasadena area or the Westside (Century City) after Christmas. You will find lots of Big Ten fans for whatever school (probably Penn State) is here for the Rose Bowl.
2008-11-14 13:43:47
111.   DaDoughboy
Canters Dodger Stadium really even shouldn't be called Canters. The reuben at the original there is best anywhere..better than Max's in San Fran. Make sure you bring someone to split it with though as finishing it yourself basically guarantees you a coronary. Gosh I'm hungry.
2008-11-14 13:44:53
112.   bhsportsguy
111 Greg Brock enjoys the Reuben at Jerry's Deli.

I await Marty's outrage.

2008-11-14 13:45:27
113.   Bob Timmermann
If there are Ohio State fans coming to town, you can find me in Pasadena following them around taunting them and throwing rocks and garbage at them for getting into the BCS championship game two straight years.
2008-11-14 13:46:11
114.   trainwreck
Sure are a lot of famous delis down there.
2008-11-14 13:53:34
115.   Xeifrank
A great article for anyone wanting to build a Relational Database with baseball stats.
vr, Xei

2008-11-14 13:54:33
116.   Jacob Burch
I was always under the impression that Langer's > Canter's >>> Jerry's with a bowling alley == Mel's >> Jerry's.

None of which is a fair comparison to Philleppe's, and should be filed in a different category from Fred 62, Swingers and The 101 Coffee Shop. The latter two being equals for me, and have not eaten at Fred 62. Home is always squeezed in there.

My late night diner shenanigans have mostly ended since graduating to the much-less-often-more-expensive foodie scene, but that seems to be how I called the shots.

and The Randy Johnson Trade(?) part two was the follow up to The Trade, with the report being Penny + Werth thrown into the finley deal for RJ, if I remember right.

2008-11-14 13:57:04
117.   mwhite06
113 Fair enough. Just be nice to all the Oregon State fans in town that week.
2008-11-14 13:57:29
118.   milkshakeballa
it is really quite simple...

Do no deal with Boras just yet. Work with CC and his agent and come out with

Year 1: 17 mil
Year 2: 24 mil
Player Option
Year 3: 25 mil
Year 4: 21 mil
Player Option
Year 5: 24 mil
Year 6: 22 mil

6 years/133 million w/ 2 player options
Those player options will be very valuable to CC. Sign him +/- 5 million of that, then go straight to Boras.

OK SCOTT....3 years/75 million
Year 1: 20 mil
Year 2: 25 mil
Year 3: 30 mil

FINAL OFFER...if McCourt has to for cash he can offer a nice chunk with a deferred payment tag on it.

Thats $37 million in 2009 for Manny/CC and $49 mil for them in 2010 (Jones and Schmidt of the hook)

If they both sign, you do not need to sign anybody else. WIth Manny in the lineup and improvement from the young guys...your offense will be good enough. With the pitching, you fill in the holes with defense.

C- Martin

Randy Johnson

The first 1.5 months of the can even go with a 6 man rotation to give these guys plenty of rest and limit their innings to begin with..

McDonald (if not starting)


Here are your World Series Champs....

Though that middle infield is kind of weak at the moment! Haven't thought long enough about what to do there yet.

2008-11-14 13:57:36
119.   Jacob Burch
115 I used to pal around (Rule 5 business has gotten me using that phrase non-stop) with the old Databank from a few years ago. I learned nearly everything I know about joins from coming up with stuff like "Best OPS+ from a player who's name started with J who was born in december."

I wonder Xei, have you heard any rumblings of Sabr-types using the Big-Table based elastic databases for SABR things? Seems like a few cases where it could really add some power. It just sort of befuddles me that the big draw for Big Table et al. is it's ability to handle big loads cross-server, but it also adds a lot of power to the flexibility of a basic database.

2008-11-14 13:58:58
120.   Jacob Burch
As a side note, I cannot stress to people who want to learn about dynamic web programming how perfect a basic baseball database is at learning SQL.
2008-11-14 13:59:43
121.   mintxcore
My experience with most deli's here in LA (Jerry's, Nate N Al's, Junior's, etc) is that while pretty good, they are insanely overpriced. I much prefer the Indian deli anyways. mmmm Bhaarat Bazaar

Now what was that dumpling place everyone was raving about earlier?

2008-11-14 13:59:53
122.   trainwreck
Wouldn't we rather front-load deals since that is when the player is more likely to be good?
2008-11-14 14:00:18
123.   KingKopitar
55 Doughty played 27 minutes last night. I haven't looked it up or anything but that has to be the most minutes an 18 year-old has ever played. I think I may need to change my name.
2008-11-14 14:01:12
124.   Jacob Burch
122 It's compensation for the Deadweight Trifecta (DWT), I believe.
2008-11-14 14:02:28
125.   Harold M Johnson
Langers is by far the best deli in Los Angeles. After that it drops off pretty quickly in my opinion, with Nate n' Al's being my next favorite.
2008-11-14 14:03:44
126.   Jacob Burch
121 Jr's is a NY transplant (...right?), and Jerry's is just a chained. Carnegie (also in New York) ripoff.

When talking about LA diners, the argument should really be Canter's and Langer's, with Mel's thrown in if you wanted to include Nor-Cal rebirths. I also think the hipster diners are worth talking in a general approach, but they're not places I'm looking to take my Aunt when she visits.

2008-11-14 14:04:15
127.   Marty
If you like lamb, get that instead of the beef. It's the only sandwich hand-carved off the bone. The mustard is hot but great. I always have a jar of it in my fridge.

Speaking of downtown eating, I just ate at a new place on Main street between fifth and sixth called The Nickel. Terrific place in a skid-rowish area that's turning around. It's diner food for breakfast and lunch. But they make their own bread, jelly, salsa and cookies. They have a pulled pork hash and eggs dish that's really good. The burgers looked great too.

2008-11-14 14:06:06
128.   Jacob Burch
And Bob and Marty are right per Lamb and Chili recommendations.

Marty, are you a home-but-amazing type expert or do you deal in the higher foodie places as well? I'm hosting two big-ish holiday dinners, one at an old favorite (AOC or Angelini Osteria) and one at a place I haven't been to, but am not sure where to turn for sure-fire advice.

2008-11-14 14:07:03
129.   trainwreck
Kings are basically the Rays of the NHL.

While the Sharks can hopefully be the Phillies this year.

2008-11-14 14:07:37
130.   ToyCannon
Normally, but they might have to back load at least a year since they have Schmidt/Jones coming off the books in 2009. 2009 would be a tight squeeze but after that it gets easier.
2008-11-14 14:09:23
131.   Jacob Burch
130 DWT must become common place! The players are nameless to me.
2008-11-14 14:09:44
132.   Jim Hitchcock
Man, you guys. I'd settle for an Astro Burger pastrami right about now.
2008-11-14 14:09:45
133.   Marty
I don't get to the high-end places much anymore. I rarely go further west than Langers nowadays.
2008-11-14 14:10:36
134.   D4P
I guess the Yankees's offer to CC is the largest for a pitcher in MLB history.
2008-11-14 14:10:43
135.   milkshakeballa
Because of the dead weight and because of McCour's financial issues...thats why I backloaded these contracts
2008-11-14 14:11:22
136.   Jacob Burch
133 My heart is sunk. Every other recommendation has been spot on.

Shall be a dart board decision between Grace, Providence and Wilshire then.

2008-11-14 14:11:27
137.   oshea2002
113 - Ohio State fans have invaded my town (Champaign). Uhh. Will definitely avoid Buffalo Wild Wings tonight.
2008-11-14 14:12:49
138.   mwhite06
129 Wow, my father said the exact same thing to me this morning, that hopefully the Kings can be like the Rays this season. This run of the Kings has been fun though. I went to the game two weeks ago where they completely outplayed the Flames but lost in the 3rd period.
2008-11-14 14:14:50
139.   Harold M Johnson
136 Providence, if you're going primarily for the food. If it's more for the vibe, Wilshire. My favorite small plates is AOC, favorite Italian is Angelini (although I've never been to Mozza) and Providence more then holds its own against those two.
2008-11-14 14:17:50
140.   Jacob Burch
139 You sir and I could be friends.

That was slightly cheating--I have been to Wilshire once. Food was good and certainly worth the price (especially the sides), but it wasn't AOC-good. The pear martini I had, on the other hand, was magnificent.

The first real date I had with the current lady was at Angelini, and it was her demands (on her check--it was my birthday) that doubled my normal bill. Perhaps my favorite night of dining every. I think the waiter, who noted it was a ton of food, was expecting us to dine and dash (we were the youngest people there by about 15-20 years).

2008-11-14 14:17:56
141.   mintxcore
Does anyone read Jonathan Gold? He recently posted the 99 essential LA restaurants. He does a great job of mixing high-end expensive with the cheaper eats.

2008-11-14 14:23:12
142.   regfairfield
122 You backload contracts since it's safe to assume that you'll be fired before the expensive ywears hit.
2008-11-14 14:24:14
143.   njr

Ok-- gotta chime in for foodthoughts. First off Langers for pastrami. No question. To me, it ranks with anywhere in the world (by which I mean NYC and LA). Phillipes before Canters. Get cole slaw on the side and put it in the sandwich with some spicy mustard (I usually get the beef but the lamb is also delicious).

For upscale: If the party is for people who know their food, I agree with Howard-- Providence is as good as it gets. If there are picky eaters in the bunch, I would try for Mozza, since there are less expiremental, less out there options. I don't know how many people it's for, but Hatfields is also amazing. My company had their holiday party at Grace a few years ago and honestly I wasn't that impressed with the food, but some people swear by it.

2008-11-14 14:24:26
144.   blue22
134 - The "CC offer" is around 6 yrs/$140M?

The current list of top pitching contracts:

Johan - 6 yrs/$137M
Zito - 7 yrs/$126M
Hampton - 8 yrs/$121M (I think this is finally up???)

special consideration:
Clemens - 1 yr/$28M (pro-rated)

2008-11-14 14:25:20
145.   MSarg29
Ned just said on XM's Kevin Kennedy and Rob Dibble show that he does not want to get rid of the young guys and he wants to build around them.
2008-11-14 14:25:28
146.   Marty
Of those three, I'm sure Providence is the best. I used to go to the Water Grill when the Providence chef was there and it was fabulous.
2008-11-14 14:26:45
147.   Marty
141 That's where I found out about The Nickel.
2008-11-14 14:26:53
148.   KG16
142 - also, inflation.
2008-11-14 14:27:22
149.   CajunDodger
Thinking it over, if the Dodgers sign Manny, wouldn't that signal an end to the Ethier era? I can think of a couple of clubs (Chicago and Tampa especially) that would like a young controllable left-handed corner outfielder who is above average. I can see the Cubs pitching Mike Fontenot and DeRosa at us or Tampa pitching Sonnanstine to us.

Just a thought...

2008-11-14 14:28:39
150.   KG16
ok, since we're dropping links in the food conversation, i'm going to drop this one:, run by a couple of high school friends of mine.
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2008-11-14 14:31:11
151.   ToyCannon
Old Friend Update:
Baseball HQ recently did the AL Central prospect update after doing the AL East last week.
1. Carlos Santana came in number four, for Cleveland, ahead of 2007 number one pick Beau Mills. Expected ETA of 2010
2. Jon Meloan placed 9th.
3. None of the players we have traded to KC are in the top 15 but Plummer and Pimental did get honorable mention.
4. None of the players traded to the Rays are in the top 15 but Pedroza did get honorable mention.
2008-11-14 14:32:10
152.   Jacob Burch
142 Thank you for this! I've already tacked on two to my list (Neal Fraser's new one and Animal--the misses is a bacon freak). I've always wanted a list like this that is very apt to just praise the restaurants that deserve it, instead of making sure every small critique gets thrown in. Surely they deserve to be discussed, but it can make a great restaurant seem not so.
2008-11-14 14:33:17
153.   ToyCannon
Last years Ethier should have been worth a Sonnanstine but this years Ethier should be worth Sonnanstine, Wade Davis, and tell them to throw in Desmond Jennings while they are at it.
2008-11-14 14:33:19
154.   cargill06
149 No thanks.

118 Wouldn't that just make CC's contract a 2 year deal than? He can make his 2 years $41 and as long as he's not hurt opt out at get 7-180 from someone after that.

2008-11-14 14:34:29
155.   bhsportsguy
152 Had a couple of great holiday dinners at Melisse in Santa Monica. I know Vincenti in Brentwood is good also.

The Yankees have approx. $135M guaranteed for 2009 (for 13 players)

2008-11-14 14:35:42
156.   KG16
149 - Ethier stays, re-signing Manny means that Jones and/or Pierre get moved. Remember, Jones is only around for one more year anyway.
2008-11-14 14:38:22
157.   ToyCannon
Atlanta/Wren moving on past Peavy.

""We've notified the Padres that we're moving on to pursue other opportunities and players," Wren said. "We're no longer actively pursuing Jake Peavy. We have other options out there."

2008-11-14 14:39:05
158.   Harold M Johnson
If Manny gets signed, I think it's likely that Pierre gets moved with the Dodgers eating a nice chunk of his salary.

If it were to be Ethier, do you see Pierre staying and it being Manny-Pierre-Kemp? That seems like a horrible OF to me.

2008-11-14 14:39:17
159.   Marty
The dumpling place is called Noodle House. 958 Garvey, Monterrey Park.
2008-11-14 14:40:52
160.   blue22
154 - Why even screw around with the 2-year deal and risk getting hurt? Take the 6 or 7 year deal for max dollars right now and ensure that your great-great-great-great grand kids never have to work a day in their lives.

If these reports are true, the Yanks are guaranteeing him $25M per year for 6 or 7 years. I don't think salaries are going to escalate in the next 2 years where that $25M will seem like a bargain for CC.

2008-11-14 14:41:39
161.   CajunDodger
I think that the Padres will regret that if it is true.

The Cubs just won't put together a package that is comparable to what the Braves were offering. It would have to look like Marmol/Vitters/Marshall and I don't think that they will do that.

2008-11-14 14:42:04
162.   bhsportsguy
157 I thought it was going to be difficult to find a match that would fit both player personnel and public reltations needs.

San Diego fans got told that they needed a new stadium to compete financially and now they see a team cutting its payroll. If they traded Peavy for the package discussed in the papers, it would have probably guaranteed another drop in attendance.

2008-11-14 14:42:39
163.   blue22
160 - Meh, nevermind, I'm reading these posts wrong. Back to work.
2008-11-14 14:45:56
164.   CajunDodger
I actually see them going in with a Manny/Jones/Kemp outfield with Kemp ready to slide over and Xavier Paul stepping in if the 2008 Jones returns. They could flip Pierre and about $14 million for a bullpen piece and then justify the potential lack of offense from Jones and trade Ethier for infield help.

Lots of conjecture there, but Jones isn't going anywhere unless we non-tender him.

2008-11-14 14:51:56
165.   bhsportsguy
164 I guess you mean DFA Jones since he has a guaranteed deal and cannot be non-tendered.

The non-tender candidates:

Brazoban, Broxton, Proctor, Saito, Martin, Berroa, and Ethier.

2008-11-14 14:55:36
166.   cargill06
164 Like Ethier for Brian Roberts?

I think it's a bad deal, but what infield help would really be out there?

2008-11-14 14:56:02
167.   CajunDodger
What you said...
2008-11-14 14:56:39
168.   Eric Stephen
and Repko.
2008-11-14 15:00:14
169.   trainwreck
Barry Melrose has already been fired as head coach of the Tampa Bay Lightning.
2008-11-14 15:00:27
170.   Bob Timmermann
The Barry Melrose Era in Tampa Bay ended after 16 games.

He'll probably get some Coach of the Year votes anyway.

2008-11-14 15:00:49
171.   Bob Timmermann
But I had a rejoinder after mine!
2008-11-14 15:02:21
172.   bhsportsguy
168 Too lazy to check his contract status. But I thought he could be there.
2008-11-14 15:13:56
173.   Tripon
A Rays blogger thinks the Rays can get Andre Ethier for Andy Sonnistine and Chad Bradford.

Sure, just as soon as we swing for a Grady Sizemore for Juan Pierre trade.

2008-11-14 15:16:42
174.   cargill06
OC is a type A free-agent too. Just say no Ned.
2008-11-14 15:19:45
175.   cargill06
Ray Durham also has Colletti written all over him.
2008-11-14 15:20:49
176.   blue22
174 - What about Renteria? Is he a type-A? He doesn't fit with Ned's apparent defense-first strategy though.

Is Bobby Crosby just out-and-out done? You could get him for a song.

2008-11-14 15:21:47
177.   cargill06
Renteria for some reason is type-A also.
2008-11-14 15:22:18
178.   blue22
I'm making a Christmas list, and I'm looking for a good set of kitchen knives. Anyone have a recommendation on a good brand (important) at a good price (super important)?
2008-11-14 15:22:33
179.   CajunDodger
What we need is a legit third baseman (with a legit bat) so that DeWitt can play second where his bat will be much more serviceable.
2008-11-14 15:23:04
180.   trainwreck
I will not stand for Bobby Crosby suggestions!!!

You take that back!

2008-11-14 15:24:26
181.   CajunDodger
I have a Calphalon set that cost me about 2/3 what a decent Henkels set would cost. I've had them for about 4 years and they are still great.
2008-11-14 15:25:16
182.   Jacob Burch
178 Not sure where you're located, but I go to Star Restaurant Supply and ask for advice there. Never had a bad experience.
2008-11-14 15:26:23
183.   ToyCannon
I used to want a great knife set but now that my eyes are shot I'd probably cut off my fingers.
2008-11-14 15:27:31
184.   cargill06
179 I think the Dodgers have already implyed DeWitt will be no longer playing 2B. He rated out as a plus defensive 3B, which appears to be his greatest strength at the moment. Why take that away from him?
2008-11-14 15:29:05
185.   ToyCannon
I can't believe that Angel Berroa is not getting any love. He was the starting SS for a Western Division team, what more do you want.

I've searched and searched with no success. Can Mr. Eric or company point me to a reliable Winter League Dominican site?

2008-11-14 15:31:38
186.   ToyCannon
Because his bat plays better at 2nd. I'd like them to be flexible myself. If Abreu is healthy I'd like to see him at 2nd and DeWitt at 3rd. If Abreu is not healthy, then for one year I'd rather see DeWitt at 2nd and Crede/Blake or 3rd. I would not give Blake or Crede anymore then a one year deal. By 2010 either Abreu or DeJesus will be our 2nd baseman with DeWitt sliding to 3rd. Hopefully anyway.
2008-11-14 15:31:47
187.   bhsportsguy
2008-11-14 15:31:59
188.   CajunDodger
If defense is a priority and we can sign Manny, a DeWitt/Hu/Hudson/Loney infield sounds pretty good to me...
2008-11-14 15:32:02
189.   D4P
I can't believe that Angel Berroa is not getting any love. He was the starting SS for a Western Division team

Someone get Omar Vizquel on the horn...!

2008-11-14 15:33:45
190.   blue22
184 - It lessens the probability of over-committing to the O-Dawg.

181 - Thanks. A nice variety of Calphalon knives on Amazon at good prices.

2008-11-14 15:34:05
191.   Marty
Henckel's, Wusthof are good. But If I were buying knives now, I'd buy cheaper and invest in a good (non-electric) knife sharpener. I get mine sharpened now at the knife store on Broadway where OJ got his knife.
2008-11-14 15:36:03
192.   Jim Hitchcock
183 Steel fingered gloves?
2008-11-14 15:36:40
193.   bhsportsguy
Wusthof is what I use right now.

You really just need 4, chefs, paring, bread and maybe a utility (thin blade) knives.

2008-11-14 15:38:21
194.   KG16
the hot stove is already making people crazy. must focus on the lakers, must focus on the lakers.
2008-11-14 15:40:00
195.   Ken Noe
I just read Gurnick. Doug Brocail?
2008-11-14 15:41:35
196.   underdog
What KG said. Lakers, Lakers, etc.

But I did have one crazy thought -- sorry if this was raised earlier, and please don't laugh at me -- but what do you think about Kerry Wood? I know I'm a hypocrite because I was worried about the idea of Ben Sheets, given we already have Schmidt wasting payroll, but Wood would be cheaper than Sheets, as a reliever who can also start (I assume?) I've always liked his upside. His downside is... how often he was on the DL.

Just a thought.

2008-11-14 15:42:30
197.   underdog
Was there HDTV Thoughts here recently? I'm gonna be in the market for one soon... Looking at the Sony Bravia for a fairly reasonably priced one that is even cheaper at Circuit City, while they're still in business.
2008-11-14 15:42:35
198.   ToyCannon
Mucho Gracias - No Abreu yet, I need to climb off that bandwagon.
2008-11-14 15:44:13
199.   underdog
Wasn't that a Beckett play, "Waiting For Abreu"?

Feels like it, anyway.

2008-11-14 15:44:45
200.   blue22
196 - He comes with a closer price tag though. Some team like the Rangers or Cardinals will throw a bunch of money at him.
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2008-11-14 15:47:58
201.   underdog
200 That's true. I guess I keep thinking of him as a potential starter but I guess those days are over. We don't need to pay that much for a set-up man.
2008-11-14 15:50:23
202.   Brent Knapp
After signing them away from the Dodgers before Ned Colletti had even spoken to their agents, Angel owner Arte Moreno took newly signed players Derek Lowe and Manny Ramirez along the monorail at nearby Angel Stadium.

Dodgers and monorail in the same sentence.

2008-11-14 15:51:14
203.   fanerman
197 I know a bit about HDTV's so feel free to ask me questions on gmail. Sony Bravias are generally very good. I like 120 Hz TV's.
2008-11-14 15:55:43
204.   fiddlestick
197 I just picked up a 50" Panasonic plasma for less than a thousand bucks at Best Buy. It's only 720p, but I don't have blu-ray, it's not the gaming TV and Cox Cable doesn't even broadcast in 1080p, so I'd pretty much be paying for resolution I'd never use if I went with the 1080p version. Picture is fantastic and I love it.
2008-11-14 15:55:48
205.   Jim Hitchcock
197 Check out the LG's before you buy. Mine is pretty spectacular, and it even comes with VCR era instruction manual, (meaning very, very bad!).
2008-11-14 15:57:34
206.   Jim Hitchcock
197 I can't even imagine owning a HDTV without DirecTV.

Oh, man, I just crossed the line into corporate shillism.

2008-11-14 15:58:24
207.   ToyCannon
True Blue top 10 prospect vote is complete. Interesting that an 11th round pick is number one while everyone else is a 4 or better.
2008-11-14 15:58:35
208.   Dodgers49
Dodgers pull Manny offer but will talk

>> Colletti explained that it's typical to withdraw specific offers without closing the door on signing a player.

"If you don't set deadlines with offers and they are left open-ended, the player can come back any time he wants and say, 'OK, we'll do that,' even if the club's situation has changed, perhaps by signing another player or something else occurring," Colletti said. "You've got to attach deadlines." <<

2008-11-14 16:02:34
209.   trainwreck
It kept letting me re-vote, so Strange-Gordon can thank me for couple of votes and Eovaldi for one.
2008-11-14 16:11:27
210.   Dodgers49
Sources: Yankees make record six-year, $140-million offer to CC Sabathia

>> The Yankees made the first move Friday in what they hope will be a winter pitching spree by offering star lefty CC Sabathia a contract believed to be worth $140 million over six years, according to multiple baseball officials.

If Sabathia ultimately signs for that much or more, it'd be the biggest deal for a pitcher in baseball history. Johan Santana inked a six-year, $137.5 million contract with the Mets last winter. The Yankee offer is "slightly better" than Santana's deal, according to one official. <<

## The Yankees aren't stopping there, either. In the next day or so, sources said, they will make first-strike offers to AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe, as well, in an effort to solidify their starting rotation. ##

2008-11-14 16:16:38
211.   Kevin Lewis

The OTA broadcasts are sharper than what I had with Dish...of course I only get like 10HD channels as opposed to 150, but it is free :)

2008-11-14 16:17:31
212.   Kevin Lewis
Photos of Westmont after the fire. The first picture is the home of the man that performed my wedding

2008-11-14 16:19:42
213.   fanerman
211 OTA isn't compressed for bandwidth like Comcast/DirecTV are. I've never seen OTA in person but I know what blu-ray looks like, so I can tell when the cable/dish HDTV is lacking.
2008-11-14 16:23:56
214.   Jim Hitchcock
211 I only get 2 channels in Carson City, period :)
2008-11-14 16:26:16
215.   Jim Hitchcock
212 I was just looking at a map of the fire, and was saddened to see how close to the County Bowl it's burning, with a ton of wonderful homes separating it.
2008-11-14 16:27:37
216.   trainwreck
I am not familiar with Westmont at all. How close is it to State Street?
2008-11-14 16:28:08
217.   DaDoughboy
Must me nice to print your own money..
2008-11-14 16:29:34
218.   underdog
212 That sucks, Kev. :-( I was hearing about a Westmont soccer coach who lost his home, too. Following comments on is really valuable for first-hand reports. Sounds like they've done an amazing job today knocking out a lot of hot spots but a long way to go and am worried about the wind.

On a lighter subject, thanks for the HDTV thoughts, folks. I may email or ping you later fanerman. The price at CC on that Bravia is pretty hard to pass up... I was leaning toward LCD and had heard mixed things about plasmas, though sounds like fiddlestick likes his. I will check out some more in person.

2008-11-14 16:31:04
219.   Louis in SF
Now that the basic offer to CC is out there about 23 million a year, does it make any sense if the Dodgers were to offer CC four years at 25+ per year making it on average a high contract and giving CC a chance to to bolt when he is done-sorta using the Furcal contract as a model? If nothng else it puts a question in his mind since he apparently wants to stay in California.
2008-11-14 16:31:31
220.   underdog
215 - Yeah right near my HS :-( and where I lived for a couple of years. Right now they've got a good bead on that area though, pushed it back up the other direction. Fingers crossed.

216 Westmont is far from State St, deep into Montecito, brushy area up towards a canyon, not far from botanic garden. One of my favorite hiking spots, Rattlesnake Canyon, also burned :-(

2008-11-14 16:32:30
221.   underdog
Seriously, this is as riveting as comments get (no offense to us here at DT):

2008-11-14 16:33:23
222.   njr
On Knives:

It's true you only need like 4 knives, although it's helpful to have a steele as well to keep the edges straight.

Best value for cheap knives are Forschners. They keep a really nice edge and have a comfortable grip and the price is really right.

I like Japanese knives better and have Shuns (also known as Kershaws) which are absolutely amazing. But they aren't cheap. But they stay so sharp.

2008-11-14 16:34:29
223.   bhsportsguy
218 Also, wander your local Costco and look for recently returned TVs, as long as their original warranty is still intact, you can save a lot of money since they are already open.
2008-11-14 16:34:30
224.   DaDoughboy
Not very close. It's more up in the foothills northeast of downtown. Beautiful campus, liberal arts christian school (I, on the other hand, went to UCSB, the anti-Westmont)..

Right now is the time of the day the sundowner winds start coming in off the canyons. Hopefully they are much more tame than last night..

2008-11-14 16:36:13
225.   bhsportsguy
[222} Yes honing a knife is crucial, you really should only need to sharpen it once a year and thats if you are using them a lot.

Also, do not use any surface to cut on except plastic or wood.

Anything else will dull the blade in a hurry.

2008-11-14 16:44:11
226.   Jim Hitchcock
220 You went to high school 200 yds. from the Bowl. Man, am I envious.

Seriously, a couple hundred concerts later, my top ten include many there. Marshall Tucker/Little Feat, Allman Bros/Point Blank, great rock and roll.

Point Blank played a driving version of `Bad Bees' that night. I didn't know the name of the song at the time, and when my buddy started yelling Bad Bees at the top of his lungs, I thought he was referring to an incident earlier in the day (he stumbled into a beehive laden bush earlier in the day
at a campground up on Los Osos rd, and had been bitten multiple times). I couldn't figure out why he was mad at the band for it.

2008-11-14 16:49:25
227.   Jim Hitchcock
the anti-Westmont)..

Nice way to phrase "Party School!!!"

2008-11-14 16:49:30
228.   milkshakeballa
Wouldn't that just make CC's contract a 2 year deal than? He can make his 2 years $41 and as long as he's not hurt opt out at get 7-180 from someone after that.

Cargill -

Would you be upset if we signed CC to a 2 year deal this off season for only $41 million???

I think everybody here would piss their pants. The reason why I put in the player options is because it gives CC more power in his contract instead of additional dollars (dollars we can't compete with vs. the Yanks).

2008-11-14 16:51:36
229.   ToyCannon
Enjoyed the Botanical Gardens the few times I've gone. Hope they escape unscathed.
2008-11-14 16:51:53
230.   trainwreck
What year were you?
2008-11-14 16:51:56
231.   milkshakeballa
And by the time our two years is over with CC, Kershaw is mature and Bills is a top 10 pitcher in the game as well.
2008-11-14 16:52:01
232.   Jim Hitchcock
Uh, subtract one `earlier in the day', please.

I must learn to preview.

2008-11-14 16:55:05
233.   underdog
226 Yeah it was great. Living next to the Bowl wasn't quite as great. ;-) But I saw my share of great concerts there, too, including REM (way back when) and Elvis Costello.

My first fearless prediction of the hot stove season: AJ Burnett will eventually sign with the Braves, now that they're over Peavy.

2008-11-14 16:56:52
234.   DaDoughboy
My wife got me the Spyderco tri-stones for my Wusthofs...although it takes a lot longer to get a double bevel, I noticed a HUGE difference in quality than the ordinary pull-through sharpeners.
2008-11-14 16:58:14
235.   underdog
234 If I didn't know y'all were talking about knives earlier, I wouldn't have caught a word of that. ;-)
2008-11-14 16:58:44
236.   DaDoughboy
I was on the standard Gaucho 5 year/4 major plan..Graduated in 2001.
2008-11-14 17:00:51
237.   trainwreck
I totally screwed up graduating on time. A big regret of mine. I was 2006.
2008-11-14 17:01:37
238.   trainwreck
Seriously reads like some World of Warcraft game or something.
2008-11-14 17:04:04
239.   DaDoughboy
My chefs knife and my signed Koufax ball are 2 of my favorite things...dunno what that says about me though. Hmmm.
2008-11-14 17:08:56
240.   Jim Hitchcock
239 My cousin in Reno has a ball signed in the late '60's by everyone but Koufax. Drysdale, Wills, even Vin Scully autographed it.

And every time I ask to see it, he whines that he `would have to dig it out'. He is kind of a crazed packrat, though, so his point is somewhat valid.

2008-11-14 17:19:20
241.   mintxcore
I have memories of hearing Santana and Ozomatli soundcheck at the SB Bowl while playing frisbee in the front lawn of SBHS.

I remember seeing Beastie Boys (with Jon Spencer and the Roots) at the SB Bowl in 1995 - it was quite an introduction to concerts... hahah

2008-11-14 17:23:49
242.   trainwreck
I got screwed with going to concerts at SB. I did not share the same musical tastes as most of the people in the film program and then my roommates could not leave their computers for that long.
2008-11-14 17:24:46
243.   trainwreck
Pharcyde played in the IV park though, which was sweet even if it was not the full group.
2008-11-14 17:29:09
244.   nofatmike
243 As someone who transfered to UCSB this past summer, what's the obsession with Jack Johnson? Most people elsewhere (like me) don't think too much of him, but when he was up here for a concert this past summer you would've sworn the Beatles re-united or something.
2008-11-14 17:30:05
245.   underdog
For those of you who are fire geeks or with ties to SB, this is a fresh map from the SB County that shows you the burn areas and the evac areas. Gives you a better sense.

Fortunately my folks' place is so far down near the beach that it's not even on this map. They just get to enjoy tons of ash on their driveway.

2008-11-14 17:30:07
246.   DaDoughboy
trainwreck..were you at UCSB when Cypress Hill played on campus at Stork tower? I vividly remember walking out of calculus for that..guess I shouldn't wonder why I took 5 years. Also hung out with Barry Zito a few times in SB..he's uhh, different.
2008-11-14 17:31:54
247.   DaDoughboy
He has a house in Montecito near the beach..sorta lauched his career there.

"I was eatin lunch at the DLG.." - refers to the De la Guerra dining commons on campus..

2008-11-14 17:33:15
248.   trainwreck
He went to UCSB.

It is even worse if you are in the film department, because that was his major. My teachers would talk about him as a student and he even wrote a song about one of my classes.

But yeah, there are some restaurants that just play his DVD 24/7.

2008-11-14 17:33:25
249.   DaDoughboy
Also, NOFX is playing at the Canyon Club in Agoura if anyone is interested..Feb 20-22.
2008-11-14 17:33:52
250.   mintxcore
Man, Extravaganza was always a good time... especially as an 8th or 9th grader haha. NOFX, Black Eye Peas (when they were still respectable), The Roots, the Aquabats, can't even remember who else... Did you UCSB people ever visit the smaller venues? Living Room, Pickle Patch, or Pink Mailbox?
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2008-11-14 17:34:58
251.   trainwreck
I did not go see Cypress Hill perform. I did see Andre Nickatina perform at Storke and that was sweet.
2008-11-14 17:37:20
252.   DaDoughboy
My old band played at the Living Room a few times..opened for a really good band called Sick Shift. We, on the other hand, were terrible. Fun place to play though..
2008-11-14 17:38:42
253.   nofatmike
244 Really? Aww man, and I liked eating there, guess I'll have to stick to Carillo.

As for the fire, I drove home last night at around 9 P.M. I didn't realize there was a fire until I saw an orange glow in the distance. It didn't seem to be much of a problem at first glance, but as I drove past, the whole hill where a bunch of houses were looked like a volcano. I could literally see the flames as I drove past on the 101. It's a shock that they weren't able to contain something like that considering that it was right in the middle of a residential are. I hope no one got hurt.

2008-11-14 17:39:43
254.   nofatmike
248 "But yeah, there are some restaurants that just play his DVD 24/7."

Cool, I'll be sure to avoid those.

2008-11-14 17:40:08
255.   mintxcore
Sick Shift!!!! hahahaha what year was this?? What was your band called? I've had a few bands play at the Living Room (my ska band PUNCH IT CHEWIE in the late 90s and my noise/experimental band THE MOTHRAS). The Living Room was a great spot though, spoiled me these days. All the venues now are just about the money and the "scene".
2008-11-14 17:42:32
256.   Louis in SF

I think anything you do with CC which can get him here for 2-4 years makes a lot of sense. The average I think would have to be higher to make him not want to do the Yankees for 6 years. The way I see it the Yanks have now set the bar for length and annual salary. If the Dodgers want to really be players they have two basic choices a longer contract, which I think would be a mistake or a shorter contract with either a significant annual increase over the Yankee contract or some major opt out clause. I don't think 41 over two years with an opt out is large enough.

2008-11-14 17:43:36
257.   trainwreck
There was one in the shopping plaza that has Home Depot in it (Storke Plaza?). It is called Kahuna Burger or something like that. Good chicken sandwiches and always have cute girls working there, but if you hate Jack Johnson, do not actually eat your food there.
2008-11-14 17:44:48
258.   trainwreck
Noise/experimental band ayyy. I would love to hear some of your stuff if that is possible.
2008-11-14 17:45:28
259.   DaDoughboy
1998-99ish...I've heard of The Mothras. I was in Rad (yes, after the 80's BMX movie). We had a studio behind Bubbles n Beans in IV..{wistfully stares off in space}. Nerf Herder played at our house in 98...ahh, the good old days.
2008-11-14 17:46:02
260.   trainwreck
LOL. You named yourself after Rad, that is awesome!
2008-11-14 17:46:47
261.   bhsportsguy
Great, DT has now dissolved into UCSB thoughts.

But I do wish all concerned best wishes with what is happening out there with the fires.

2008-11-14 17:48:01
262.   nofatmike
257 Good to know. Were you in D.P. during Halloween by any chance?
2008-11-14 17:48:13
263.   Bob Timmermann
Today's Dodger Thoughts comes to you by a grant from the Brian Shaw Foundation.
2008-11-14 17:49:41
264.   trainwreck
Naw, I have not been back down since summer. By my senior year, Halloween was a shell of itself.
2008-11-14 17:51:48
265.   mintxcore
No way you heard of us! hahaha thats hilarious/awesome!! Nerf Herder is still one of my fav bands ever (even if the last two albums werent that great...).

if you dare, you are more than welcome to check out some of the random videos i had of us that i put on youtube. it varies in quality thou...

2008-11-14 17:51:53
266.   trainwreck
Was it good this year?
2008-11-14 17:53:14
267.   bhsportsguy
263 According to Brian Dohn, the savior aka Chris Forcier turns the ball over a lot in practice.

That will not stop fans for pleaing for him tomorrow night.

2008-11-14 17:53:31
268.   nofatmike
264 "By my senior year, Halloween was a shell of itself."

Not this year. Apparently over 45,000 people showed up. I've never had to push my way through a crowd that much before in my life, and I've been to numerous sellouts at Dodger Stadium and this year's Coliseum game.

2008-11-14 17:56:36
269.   Bob Timmermann
Pleading for Chris Forcier is akin to saying the Dodgers would have been better last year with David Ross on the team. Or Jason Repko getting more at bats.

Kevin Craft is UCLA's Angel Berroa.

2008-11-14 17:58:20
270.   nofatmike
268 This is what I'm refering to:

Caution, a there are a few Rule 1 violations.

2008-11-14 18:04:11
271.   trainwreck
I immediately recognized that cruddy public access background.

Zeros and Ones was sick and how can you beat incorporating "Get Into the Groove". Did you guys ever hand out CDs on campus?

I used to get a bunch of random experimental groups handing me free CDs, because I wore a lot of Mr. Bungle T-Shirts.

2008-11-14 18:06:30
272.   trainwreck
Sweet, it was like that when I lived on DP. That is how it should be.
2008-11-14 18:07:32
273.   El Lay Dave
I'm naming my next band "random experimental group" (no capital letters); nice and generic. Perversely we'll play nothing but 70s power pop.
2008-11-14 18:09:54
274.   El Lay Dave
183 I used to want a great knife set but now that my eyes are shot I'd probably throw one through my assistant's abdomen.
2008-11-14 18:10:50
275.   trainwreck
What classifies power pop?
2008-11-14 18:16:01
276.   El Lay Dave
275 Doesn't everyone define it differently? Some sort of cross of early Cheap Trick, a little Todd "don't call me Rex" Rundgren, Nick Lowe / Brinsley Schwarz, etc. Not exactly "experimental", eh?
2008-11-14 18:17:01
277.   El Lay Dave
276 "I meant some sort of cross ..."
2008-11-14 18:18:58
278.   trainwreck
Awww, ok.
2008-11-14 18:25:06
279.   El Lay Dave
If Neds signs Randy Johnson, I hope his hunt for 300 goes better than Fred McGriff's for 500.
2008-11-14 18:27:44
280.   El Lay Dave
278 All the wrong notes I'd play, coupled with the inadvertent vocal semi-tones and the unintentionally variable tempi might make it sound (I want italics there, not bold!) experimental, in a way, though.
2008-11-14 18:30:32
281.   trainwreck
I like your style...

Or lack thereof.

2008-11-14 18:31:16
282.   Eric Stephen
That is dying for a D4P joke about Andruw's hunt for 300. :)
2008-11-14 18:31:57
283.   Eric Stephen
If you need a bad novice harmonica player, I'm your man.
2008-11-14 18:32:23
284.   mintxcore

hahaha, zeroes and ones was from a jam session before our second time performing on KCSB! haha
We never handed out CDs or anything, but we did play a few shows in IV, most recently with DJ Crabhat. More recently we have leaned away from the making experimental music and instead just screamed into microphones karaoke-style. i would hate my band if i wasnt in it ;D

2008-11-14 18:32:37
285.   El Lay Dave
Regarding the middle infield, Tony Jackson wrote on Wednesday in the comments section of one of his blog posts, "I have been led to believe it [middle infield solution] WON'T be Orlando Hudson (good glove, no hit, high price tag)."

I don't get the "no hit" part, but I can believe Hudson will be too pricey for Ned and Frank's liking.

2008-11-14 18:34:48
286.   trainwreck
Do you know Melt Banana or the Locust?
2008-11-14 18:35:43
287.   El Lay Dave
284 i would hate my band if i wasn't in it

Man, THAT is the essence.

2008-11-14 18:39:22
288.   mintxcore
yeah, not a huge fan of either. My band is partly me venting my frustration in not being able to meld Mr. Bungle with European dance music. And having musical talent. hahah
2008-11-14 18:39:54
289.   mintxcore
err, NOT having music talent.
2008-11-14 18:40:15
290.   trainwreck
2008-11-14 18:44:25
291.   Eric Stephen
I recently bought a 1962 Topps Don Drysdale card on eBay (small pic here:, and the back of the card caught my eye:

"Tall and formidable on the mound, Don is hoping that 1962 is going to be the year he hits the 20 victory mark. The righthander, on the brink of greatness, won 17 games in 1957 and again in 1959. Don won a game in the 1959 World Series and pitched in both All-Star games." (emphasis mine)

I thought this was interesting for two reasons:

1) Don did end up reaching "greatness" in 1962, winning the CYA with a 25-9 record and a 127 ERA+

2) In Don's previous six seasons, the only pitcher in MLB with a higher ERA+ was Whitey Ford ( He already was great!

Still, I love the card.

2008-11-14 18:44:25
292.   trainwreck
I wish I could get a voice transplant so I could sound like Mike Patton.
2008-11-14 18:47:11
293.   mintxcore
have you checked out Patton's recent work with an orchestra where he covers 60's italian pop tunes? it's pretty incredible... check youtube, i think it's named Mondo Cane.
2008-11-14 18:47:52
294.   MC Safety
292 You heard any stuff by Chairlift, Trainwreck?
2008-11-14 18:48:12
295.   trainwreck
Yeah, it is incredible. I love L'Urlo Negro.
2008-11-14 18:48:29
296.   trainwreck
Naw, what are they like?
2008-11-14 18:49:19
297.   Daniel Zappala
I prefer slightly dull knives. I have kids who help in the kitchen.
2008-11-14 18:57:24
298.   trainwreck
Just checked out a few songs. I have heard Bruises on the IPod commercial, but not into that song. I liked some of the other songs I listened to.
2008-11-14 18:59:17
299.   ucladodger

Are you into baseball cards, or just that particular one?

2008-11-14 19:05:00
300.   Eric Stephen
I stopped collecting in about 1991 (I was 15) but have rejoined the fray in the last year or so.
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2008-11-14 19:05:02
301.   mintxcore
hey trainwreck, what HS did you go to??
2008-11-14 19:05:44
302.   trainwreck
I went to high school in Walnut Creek called Northgate.
2008-11-14 19:08:53
303.   mintxcore
oh ok, for some reason i had a feeling all this time i might have knew you from HS, but alas, i got mixed up. SBHS in the hizzie! Don't burn down!
2008-11-14 19:10:22
304.   TrueBlueOz
Good Day, I really am enjoying all of the posts of IV/SB. Makes me miss home. Do any of you remember the Red Barn? I use to go see bands like RKL, GBH, Black Flag ECT…Also a big thanks to all for all of the fire updates. I have some family in the evacuation warning area.
2008-11-14 19:12:46
305.   mintxcore
Man, the Red Barn is way before my time. RKL is the most definitive "north side" band ever to me hahah
2008-11-14 19:13:46
306.   MC Safety
That's Rich Kids On LSD, right?
2008-11-14 19:26:41
307.   TrueBlueOz
306 Yes
2008-11-14 19:36:08
308.   scareduck
263 - and the Matt and Emmanuelle Welch Fund.
2008-11-14 19:40:38
309.   Bob Timmermann
In Pac-10 basketball tonight:
Stanford 75, Yale 67
Howard 47, Oregon State 45

Mississippi Valley State is at Arizona State and Northern Colorado is playing at Oregon.

2008-11-14 19:51:36
310.   Marty
Rockpile was the ultimate power pop band IMO.
2008-11-14 20:12:36
311.   D4P
Pistons looking good against the Lakers.
2008-11-14 20:17:17
312.   Eric Stephen
Hopefully the Pistons will stop making those pesky 3s.
2008-11-14 20:18:38
313.   Jon Weisman
Believe it or not ...

2008-11-14 20:19:55
314.   Gen3Blue
I'm trying to follow from the east coast, if I end up with feelings for west coast BB, I'm not sure I'll be able to forgive myself.
2008-11-14 20:20:00
315.   D4P
They're making plenty of pesky 2s, too.
2008-11-14 20:21:56
316.   Eric Stephen
If everyone thinks Tayshaun Prince is underrated, he's not.
2008-11-14 20:22:41
317.   D4P
The Lakers seem to be establishing a pattern of giving up a lot of points in the first half.
2008-11-14 20:23:00
318.   Gen3Blue
While I can't get enough of Steve Cannell,who is good, I'm not sure you are doing enough about pulling this thread back to the Dodgers, Jon.
2008-11-14 20:23:59
319.   Eric Stephen

2008-11-14 20:24:01
320.   Bob Timmermann
South Pas High is shooting off fireworks for its homecoming game. My cat is displeased.

Although he seems to have made peace with it.

For those not scoring at home, the opponent is Blair High.

2008-11-14 20:26:37
321.   Gen3Blue
314 west coast BB=basketball in this case.
2008-11-14 20:26:54
322.   Jon Weisman
The Dodgers declined Berroa's option, but he is still on the 40-man roster because of service time, I guess?

Would he go to arbitration if they don't agree to terms?

2008-11-14 20:28:33
323.   Eric Stephen
They would technically have to tender him a contract, but yes he's arbitration eligible.
2008-11-14 20:29:17
324.   Eric Stephen
Lakers defense, 1st 7 games:
1st half: 45.6 pts
2nd half: 41.1 pts
2008-11-14 20:30:42
325.   Tripon
322 323 Berroa will be be non-tendered first, then offered a contract. The 80% rule will apply to Berroa otherwise.
2008-11-14 20:33:19
326.   Gen3Blue
323 How the heck does Berroa get arbitration eligible. Just because we gave him a one year contract?
2008-11-14 20:33:46
327.   D4P
Phil Jackson's longish hair/no mustache look is kinda weird.
2008-11-14 20:35:04
328.   Jon Weisman
325 - Thanks.

326 - He has over four years of service time - that was why I asked.

2008-11-14 20:42:36
329.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Weiner of ESPN called it "The Staples Center."

Of course, it doesn't have a "The" in its name officially. And because some writers in an LA Times Sunday magazine section used it, the course of journalism in Los Angeles changed dramatically.

2008-11-14 20:55:24
330.   Eric Stephen
I don't think Cot's has updated the service times yet on each team's page*, and it has Berroa at 4 years, 73 days service time (I'm assuming) entering 2008.

By my count, Berroa accumulated 114 days of service with the big club, putting him into the 5+ year service time classification (172 days makes a full year).

*I checked the "2009 Arbitration" page on Cot's, and Berroa's service time is updated there. He has Berroa at 5 years, 14 days.

2008-11-14 20:57:34
331.   D4P
Kobe's hoisting up a buncha shots tonight.
2008-11-14 20:59:50
332.   Marty
Detroit has Kwame Brown. They can't possibly win.
2008-11-14 21:01:46
333.   Bob Timmermann
Tajuan Porter was 0 for 10 and 0 for 7 on 3s in the first half against Northern Colorado.
2008-11-14 21:02:51
334.   D4P
Kwame Brown has 8 points and 6 rebounds already tonight. I'm pretty sure that's more than he had as a Laker.

Tajuan Porter was amazingly worse as a sophomore than as a freshman.

2008-11-14 21:08:47
335.   Bob Timmermann
Oregon needs to find another Maarty. Or maybe a Maaarty.
2008-11-14 21:09:08
336.   das411
How is it that Bill Cosby is still sooooo much funnier than anybody else??
2008-11-14 21:09:40
337.   Marty
I'm pretty sure my mom pronounced my name Maaarty a lot when I was young.
2008-11-14 21:11:36
338.   Eric Stephen
This game feels like the 2004 Finals, in that I thought the Pistons chances of winning were roughly 0% yet they are comfortably ahead.
2008-11-14 21:12:30
339.   Eric Stephen
Because Richard Pryor and George Carlin are dead?
2008-11-14 21:13:41
340.   Eric Stephen
And now Kwame blocks Gasol. Bizarro world!!!
2008-11-14 21:14:28
341.   Eric Stephen
I would not be surprised if Smush Parker came in for Detroit tonight and started nailing shots.
2008-11-14 21:23:55
342.   bhsportsguy
338 The Iverson-less Nuggets went into Boston and beat them tonight, it is difficult to judge anything by one game.
2008-11-14 21:24:01
343.   Eric Stephen
If the Lakers hold Detroit to 94 (77 to start the 4th), they will win.
2008-11-14 21:25:12
344.   Eric Stephen
I know, but since Oregon State already took my hope for an undefeated season away I was hoping the Lakers could fill that void. :)
2008-11-14 21:25:22
345.   Bob Timmermann
If the Lakers hold Detroit to 94 (77 to start the 4th), they will win.

Stephen's Statute: First to 94 wins!

2008-11-14 21:26:53
346.   Bob Timmermann
The band at Staples shouldn't have played "Tusk" at halftime.

It's the only song that the USC band plays that I really dislike. I think it's because I dislike Fleetwood Mac more than USC.

2008-11-14 21:27:03
347.   JoeyP
79-62 and the Pistons are coming off a back-back.

I figured the Pistons would get worse exchanging Billups for Iverson, but not so.

Lakers have gotten completely outplayed tonight.

2008-11-14 21:30:52
348.   bhsportsguy
347 I think its early to judge who got better or worse. Perhaps both teams got what they needed for now.

And its not like the Lakers are fully rested, they are playing their 3rd game in 4 nights with two nights getting to bed after 1:00 a.m.

2008-11-14 21:31:10
349.   Bob Timmermann
I am also thinking of using the phrase "Eric's Edict."
2008-11-14 21:31:42
350.   Gen3Blue
I'll be PO'ed if Berroa costs us anything more when Hu with a good pair of glasses would have been much better. Our penchant for lousy PVL's has bankrupted McCourt, and hasn't made us better than the Rays or Marlins.
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2008-11-14 21:34:50
351.   Eric Stephen
345 ,349
Funny you should mention that. I'm researching Lawler's Law while watching the Laker game.

I vote for the 2nd phrase.

2008-11-14 21:35:26
352.   Eric Stephen
The Machine might need some repairs.
2008-11-14 21:39:01
353.   Eric Stephen
That was a nice microcosm. Bynum misses an alley oop, gets the rebound stolen, "underrated" Tayshaun hits a three.

The Pistons have done their best to keep a strong hold on 2nd place on my "most hated NBA teams" list.

2008-11-14 21:40:48
354.   underdog
Well, instead of watching the Lakers game (after having a bad feeling about it anyway), I re-watched Forgetting Sarah Marshall, because I needed a laugh or seven, and it provided them.

Today I took a spill on my bike coming home from work, scraped my knee but otherwise fine. But lost my cell phone when I fell. Didn't realize it til I got home. Called and called it til someone answered - a semi-sketchy guy had found it and then demanded 20 dollars in exchange for it. Fine by me, so I headed back into town to give the sketchy guy money for my phone (after he'd stupidly said "Call me when you get here and I'll come out for you." "You have my phone!" I said.) Then had to hear about a family friend's home burning down in SB today. So I needed a laugh. Thank you, Jason Siegel.

Oh, and mintx, I went to SBHS, maybe you were thinking of me. But I'm guessing quite a few years before you.

2008-11-14 21:43:09
355.   dzzrtRatt
Oddly, Lawler's Law is not on Wikipedia.
2008-11-14 21:49:39
356.   JoeyP
I think Forgetting Sarah Marshall is the best Apatow film.

#2. Superbad
#3. 40yr old Virgin
#4. Pineapple Express

The only one I havent liked was Knocked Up.

2008-11-14 21:51:14
357.   underdog
Why is the NY Daily News running a one on one interview with Ned Colletti, and nada from the LA Times? Anyway:

Hot Stove Interview: Dodgers GM Ned Colletti

Read the whole thing. Just an excerpt:

>>On Furcal and Blake
We'd like to have both of them back. Rafael had a bit of a tough year with the surgery that kept him out most of the season. We'd love to have him back if we can come to an agreement, same with Casey Blake who played very well for us. Both want to explore their options, and we respect that, so we'll let them see what's going on and they promised to stay in touch and so will we if we change direction, so we'll see.

On whether he was active in making calls on the first day of open free agency
We've made a lot of calls last week to our own free agents and other clubs to express interest. I think these days, most guys survey the landscape for a while before they make a determination (on where to sign). So we'll make calls in the next few days, but the process takes a while. Those players we're interested in are well aware of it.<<

2008-11-14 21:54:08
358.   Tripon
357 Ned gets to be the next Mets GM?
2008-11-14 21:54:22
359.   underdog
356 - I couldn't disagree, but just for me personally I'd rank them:

1.40 Year Old Virgin
2.Sarah Marshall
3.Knocked Up
3.(tie) Superbad
5. Pineapple Express

Freaks and Geeks would be ahead of #1 if a movie. ;-)

2008-11-14 21:58:30
360.   mintxcore
I think there are a few other Dons here, and i can't keep any of them straight!

If you are in need of a good laugh, you should watch some Mystery Science Theater 3000. That's what I'm doing!

2008-11-14 21:59:43
361.   JoeyP
Lakers may end up getting to 94 points.
2008-11-14 22:08:36
362.   LAT
You guys are killing me. We are about a half hour into Sara Marshall and its awful. Superbad and 40 Year were so much better. I will watch the rest of it cause I'm cheap but so far I'm just not gettin it.
2008-11-14 22:11:33
363.   Eric Stephen
Lakers ended up with 95. At least I got my math right. :)
2008-11-14 22:23:19
364.   Jon Weisman
Freaks, and then ...
1) 40-Year
2) Knocked Up on first viewing
3) Superbad
4) Knocked Up on second viewing
5) Forgetting Sarah Marshall
2008-11-14 22:25:09
365.   Eric Stephen
For those of you that care, here are some Lawler's Law facts from this season.

Lawler's Law states that the first team to score 100 points wins.

There have been 131 games through tonight. 78 of those have been "Lawler Games" (at least one team scores 100).

Lawler's Law has held true in 75 of 78 contests (96.2%). One of the three came tonight courtesy of Dallas, who lost to Orlando tonight despite taking a 100-99 lead.

Here are some numbers looking at the score of the team behind when the first team reached 100:

95 or more points
21-2 (91.3%)

90 or more points
43-3 (93.5%)
22-1 (95.7%) from 90-94 points

85 or more points
54-3 (94.7%)
11-0 from 85-89 points

84 or fewer points

2008-11-14 22:27:29
366.   Eric Stephen
No one counts Celtic Pride or The Cable Guy (producer only)? :)
2008-11-14 22:33:51
367.   underdog
360 Which MST3K? I used to watch it religiously, felt like I'd seen every episode, in some cases several times, and yet keep discovering episodes I never saw. Last week we rented "Laserblast" which was an awful movie but a hilarious episode.

What's good about Sarah Marshall: Paul Rudd, as always ("I think he once knocked a guy out with a star fish"); Jonah Hill, imho much easier to take than he was in Superbad (though he was often hysterical in that one); the British comic guy; Jason Siegel's ability to bring the forlorn pain; the Dracula rock opera. It's also overlong, like all Apatow produced films in need of more editing. All those films are a matter of personal taste. Each are so squirm-inducing.

2008-11-14 22:39:38
368.   bhsportsguy
According to Diamond, Dodgers among many teams looking at 19-year old Cuban defector, Dayan Viciedo. He's a third baseman and he was on the Cuban National Team at age 15. He defected last summer.
2008-11-14 22:43:07
369.   mintxcore
367 Tonight I watched Night of the Blood Beast, which was the season 7 opener. Good, but season 7 is just so weird to me with the host segments. Laserblast is excellent though! Ive been going crazy downloading episodes from bittorrent and have quite a queue of episodes I haven't seen since the early/mid 90s
2008-11-14 22:44:11
370.   bhsportsguy
Bob works for the City of Los Angeles and they have a different set of rules than the State of California but he still might be affected by this proposal.

2008-11-14 22:49:34
371.   underdog
Nothing compares to the classic Joel episodes imho. Pod People is still my all time favorite. That and Manos. And Jungle Goddess.

And now, time to watch Foot Fist Way, as Comedy Escape Night continues!

Btw, I have some script issues with Sarah Marshall that I didn't pick up on as much the first time, especially regarding its third act. But I still like it.

2008-11-14 22:55:40
372.   mintxcore
371 I agree Joel eps are classic, but Mike has some serious punch as well. I lean towards the Mike eps just because Joel is so sleepy (in a good way!) and the Sci Fi years featured usually more "exciting" movies than.. uh, say, Red Zone Cuba.

I watched Pod People the other day, loved it and the song Idiot Control. IT STINKS!

Pumaman, Gamera vs Guiron, Manos, and Time Chasers are some of my favs

2008-11-14 23:03:47
373.   Bob Timmermann
It would have to be collectively bargained. The City of L.A. doesn't have separate Lincoln and Washington holidays.

I get
1) New Year's
2) MLK
3) Presidents'
4) Cesar Chavez
5) Memorial
6) Independence
7) Labor
8) Columbus
9) Veterans
10) Thanksgiving
11) Day after Thanksgiving
12) Christmas

Tommy Lasorda is a big fan of Columbus Day.

2008-11-14 23:14:01
374.   bhsportsguy
373 I get:
1. New Year's;
2. MLK
3. Presidents'
4. Memorial
5. Fourth of July
6. Labor
7. Veterans (closest Monday to Veterans)
8. Thanksgiving
9. Day after Thanksgiving
10. Christmas
Plus two floating holidays usually around Fourth of July, Christmas or New Years.
2008-11-14 23:31:24
375.   LAT
The movie is over. I'll admit Sara Marshall had its moments. The British Rocker was the funniest part by far. But it doesn't come close to the First Half of Superbad or 40 Year Old. But it was better than Pineapple Express which makes my all time bottom 10 list.
2008-11-14 23:33:43
376.   bhsportsguy
Fire in Sylmar. 60-70 MPH gusts.
2008-11-14 23:39:04
377.   underdog
372 Oh I love Mike, too. Some of my fave episodes are also on his side. I interviewed him once and was quite nervous, much to my chagrin. I think I am jealous because he has the dream job.

Idiot control now!

And yes, Red Zone Cuba was interminable, they tried to save it but couldn't. I love some of the Sci-Fi ones, like Hobgoblins (which makes Critters look like Blade Runner).


Man, will the fires never cease!

2008-11-14 23:45:46
378.   ucladodger

I've actually worked at L.A's longest running card store for the last 7 years (I started when I was 14). If you're interested in vintage stuff at all, it would be a cool place to visit. Really, its a cool place for anyone interested in sports at all. I've actually put together a pretty nice collection (thats what happens when you work for cards for 2 full years), and it is something that i find really fun and interesting.

2008-11-14 23:46:13
379.   underdog
Idiot control now!

It stinks!

G'night everybody.

2008-11-14 23:59:51
380.   Gen3Blue
Wow-- that makes Sling Blade look like a comedy!
2008-11-15 00:15:58
381.   Louis in SF

I sure hope the Dodgers make a strong run at this kid, according to some stuff I have read the White Sox are all over him. But one thing about Cuban defectors is a new talent pool could open with a new administration. I have heard a few commentators say that Obama is going to look at ending the blockade, wouldn't the free flow of baseball players from Cuba be great and maybe some major league clubs barnstorming in Cuba again. If the Dodgers were smart they could go back to their trailblazing roots and take the lead!

2008-11-15 07:15:39
382.   natepurcell

Even though I know very little about him, I want the Cuban in the Dodgers org. With the more quality 3b prospects we can add, one is bound is stick and take over the position.

2008-11-15 07:25:48
383.   silverwidow
The 40-man roster is really bare bones right now at 33. I'm not sure who needs to be protected for the Rule 5 draft, but it's likely a small number.

Prediction: Greg Miller will get traded for a utility infielder or something before the year ends.

2008-11-15 07:37:53
384.   natepurcell

Rat Face

2008-11-15 07:38:11
385.   natepurcell
haha oops...Manny too I guess.
2008-11-15 07:43:31
386.   Eric Stephen
I don't know if Miller has any trade value. I bet he gets a chance in spring training to either make the club or be cut.
2008-11-15 07:47:26
387.   LogikReader

I fell asleep so I missed the game last night, but...

I caught up by reading the recap. Let's face it, the Pistons are GOOD. I saw them play the Warriors and picked a few highlights against other teams post-Iverson.

I also thought Iverson on the team didn't make sense, but the fact the Pistons don't run as much works in Iverson's favor. Doesn't make any difference, because the trade was just a way to clear cap room at the end of the year.

Above all else, the Pistons defense is still remarkable. I'm not surprised the Lakers lost last night.

GEEZ, 30 shots from Kobe? Thats ridiculous. Seems like Kobe panics when the team is in trouble and shoots too much. It reminds me of Ben Roethlisberger when the Steelers lose, heck, it reminds me of the game last week vs Indy!

I hope Kobe tones it down... long season, no need to try to take over the game. but again, this loss doesn't bother me, other than it had to be an Eastern Conference team. Here comes the "Eastern Conference is way better than the West" talk again!

2008-11-15 07:51:28
388.   LogikReader

Jeff Van Gundy and others raise the point that the Western Conference is weaker this year, and the Eastern Conference is a much better conference. Do you agree?


I agree that the East is improved, but are you about to tell me the Blazers, Rockets, and Suns can't dominate the Heat, Magic, and Knicks? I'd be very surprised to see the East win those matchups.

2008-11-15 07:57:56
389.   LogikReader
re: Dodgers Withdraw 2 Year Offer for Manny

I think this is okay. It probably means the Dodgers will make another, bigger offer to retain Manny's services. It also means they'll let Manny test the market and see if anybody jumps to sign Manny for a CC-esque 5 or 6 year deal.

-- which renders my complaint two days ago moot. Now to see if anyone else will be dumb enough to sign Manny for 5-6 years. This is good strategy for the blue. If nobody else bites, it gives the Dodgers great leverage!

Sorry for assuming Ned was going to let the 2/45 deal stand. I should give Ned and Co. more credit.

2008-11-15 08:03:57
390.   LogikReader
Happy Saturday everyone! It's still pretty ashy and smoky outside here in SB, but I think the fire is still going.

I may take an excursion, either north or south today, but my feeling is I should be ok to hang around town if needed. Goleta appears to be ok for now, as well.

2008-11-15 08:09:24
391.   Bob Timmermann
Greeting everyone with a morning cycle, I see.

It's windy out there and there is a wildfire in Sylmar that may head west over the same parts of the Valley that burned just last month.

2008-11-15 08:21:16
392.   Bob Hendley
384 - Its a wish-list, right? And you are not si, si for CC?
2008-11-15 08:25:06
393.   natepurcell

It's a wish list that is plausible. I don't think we can match bids for CC.

2008-11-15 08:28:47
394.   Gen3Blue
391 East-coaster question. Doesn't a recent burn confer protection to a region?
2008-11-15 08:35:20
395.   Bob Hendley
393 - I fear that Rafi might be CC-like in that regard, particularly with Schmidt in the closet.
2008-11-15 08:57:19
396.   Bob Hendley
Jeez, when I think about it, the same is likely to apply to Sheets, no? Ned seems to have little option in this situation other than to overspend on CC. Forget Manny, meet JP, our former and future LF.
2008-11-15 09:12:20
397.   underdog
Excuse my ignorance, Nate, but who is Rat Face? When did the Dodgers become a Dick Tracy comic?


Logik, I heard this morning the fire is 40% controlled, which is great, but that they were still doing aerial water drops because of the danger of flare ups and wind today.

2008-11-15 09:13:03
398.   berkowit28
From an earlier thread:

"Let me just say I'm not a fan of teases going into commercial breaks of things to come."

I detest those with a vengeance. As noted by Eric, Kitchen Nightmares is one of those, and the worst. The BBC America version was even worse. I think they must have used those to expand a 30-minute UK BBC program into a 60-minute US program. Not only do you get teases before the commercials, you get replays after the commercials! You have to watch the same scenes three times over. Who the hell wants to see the same thing three times? Imagine if normal drama TV programs did that. All the while with annoying background - more like foreground - repetitive music. Just fluff. They could be showing more detail - once - instead.

I now watch all these programs only on taped DVR, and cut out all that repeated and tease stuff as well as the commercials via fast-forward. Much, much better (while reducing the 60-minute program to something closer to 35 minutes). So it's appreciated when people don't give away the winners here - thanks. I just watched the entire season 5 of Top Chef this way - Wednesday Bravo ran it as a marathon before beginning the new season. Quite enthralling without all the repeated crap.

2008-11-15 09:17:03
399.   Eric Stephen
Excuse my ignorance, Nate, but who is Rat Face

In this case, it's Randy Johnson (who apparently took the title from Gary Gaetti).

If this were the NFL, it would be ex-Raider coach Mike Shanahan. :)

2008-11-15 09:19:25
400.   Eric Stephen
Coming up on Dodger Thoughts, watch Eric say "DVR is king."
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2008-11-15 09:19:42
401.   Eric Stephen
DVR is king
2008-11-15 09:20:04
402.   Eric Stephen
Previously on Dodger Thoughts, Eric said "DVR is king."
2008-11-15 09:21:41
403.   D4P
Via Rotoworld:

According to the Chicago Tribune, the Cubs are exploring the possibility of signing Randy Johnson to a one-year contract. Lou Piniella managed the Big Unit in Seattle, which prompted Johnson's agent, Alen Nero, to call the Cubs a "perfect fit." The organization appears focused on re-signing Ryan Dempster at the moment, but it's worth noting that Johnson is 4-0 lifetime at Wrigley field and wants to remain in the National League. This deal could quickly gain some legs.

2008-11-15 09:23:45
404.   Eric Stephen
but it's worth noting that Johnson is 4-0 lifetime at Wrigley field

Gotta love small sample sizes.

2008-11-15 09:25:29
405.   Bob Hendley
397 - Don't tell me you didn't get your wristwatch! Joe wears his in the dugout.
2008-11-15 09:35:23
406.   underdog
399 Ah. I like to call him The Mullet, or Big Bird I, myself. But that works. And Shanahan is Tanny McHairhelmet.
2008-11-15 09:50:44
407.   Daniel Zappala
I like the Manny-Sheets-Furcal-Johnson strategy. Last year we had a catchy name for the preferred DT strategy -- shall we call this Nate's Four Point Plan?
2008-11-15 09:59:19
408.   berkowit28
399-401: Yeah, like that. (Complete with a Comments section break at just the right spot.)

I live in Santa Barbara. I'm not quite as close to the fire as LogikReader, but close enough (near Cottage Hospital). If the fire spread(s) from upper to Riviera to lower Riviera (where LR lives), I'd be next. It probably won't happen now (though the helicopters are still active overhead as a write), but it could have happened in an hour or two Thursday night. So I couldn't just go to sleep. On the other hand, real news was naturally sporadic, with cameramen having a hard time getting around the area, firefighters too busy fighting fires to talk to TV, and so on. So the local TV (until midnight) and then radio only had to keep repeating the same stuff and (on radio) chat away until the next bit of hard news came along.

So I filled out the time watching Top Chef marathon on DVR. It really was quite surreal: 10 minutes of fire updates as the smell of burning in the air got worse and worse, 10 minutes of preparing a whole pig in Puerto Rico as angry competitors sulked. By 1:30 AM, the radio was saying that visible fires had disappeared from the Santa Barbara-side view (I would have had to go a few minutes from my house to get the same view). Finally by 3 AM I felt OK (and tired enough) for a few hours sleep and had made it up the the second-to-last episode. (Saw the conclusion last night).

I had a big valise ready, just in case, but didn't quite get to the point of stuffing it - probaby a mistake, though I think I could have done it in about 10 minutes if needed. I left my dog's collar on instead of removing it for the night, just in case I needed to grab her in the dark. (So far, electric power has stayed on, unlike during the Gap fires in the summer.)

I was supposed to go into LA this evening, but I don't feel easy about doing so, and would have to bring my dog somewhere. The winds (which stayed very low last night) could still whip it all up again - apparently they haven't even started containing the fire, or at least aren't claiming to have done so. Friends in the mandatory evacuation area - just three quarters of a mile away or so - are still not allowed back to their houses. I've run out of saved "reality" (hah!) programs to watch now, though. The sun is shining, everything seems normal just here, and I'm off to the farmers' market (with my dog). Still surreal...

2008-11-15 10:08:00
409.   LogikReader

I hear ya, Berkowitz... I don't think anyone can sleep with helicopters flying over your home all night, especially ones that come so close you can feel the floor vibrate.

I have some very good news for all of us fellow SBbians: An update at says the fire is now 40% contained. This is excellent news!

I hope everyone who lives in town is safe, and most of all, still with a home.

2008-11-15 10:08:29
410.   Bob Timmermann
No one's used a valise since they made "Around the World in 80 Days" into a film.
2008-11-15 10:11:08
411.   Daniel Zappala
Best wishes for all those in Santa Barbara and the San Fernando Valley.
2008-11-15 10:30:44
412.   underdog
Sniff, Logik just blithely ignored my 397 ;-) Must be all the ash in the air. No, I'm kidding, it's great news. Last I heard (from my mom and an SB Fire report) they're hoping to just be doing more mop up duty at this point. In fact they lost a few firefighters to the now more pressing Sylmar fire. Fingers crossed...

Know several family friends who lost their homes. Could've been worse, too. The fast moving 1990 fire didn't give anyone time to go back for anything or prepare, that was terrifying.

Okay, on to a day of housecleaning and just generally sweating a lot.

2008-11-15 10:31:46
413.   underdog
("Lost," meaning they had to go work that fire of course. Don't want to panic anyone.)
2008-11-15 10:32:44
414.   berkowit28
410 So, "luggage" is a collective noun implying a plural, and "bag" is generic, could be a small plastic bag. What's the word I'm forgetting if "valise" is archaic?
2008-11-15 10:33:18
415.   Bob Timmermann
2008-11-15 10:37:43
416.   Bumsrap
The answer: White, Gonzo, Johnson

The question: What Arizona players who Arizona no longer wanted that signed with the Dodgers should the Dodgers not have signed?

Note: Johnson is projected.

Lesson: If Arizona no longer wants them, don't sign them.

2008-11-15 10:38:19
417.   berkowit28
Oh yeah, "suitcase". Honestly, I forgot it!
2008-11-15 10:39:05
418.   Bob Timmermann
You're under stress.

It happens.

2008-11-15 10:39:34
419.   Bumsrap
Attache Case?
2008-11-15 10:41:05
420.   Jon Weisman
2008-11-15 10:44:10
421.   LogikReader

Oops! I'm sorry, underdog. I could have saved so much time if I had paid more attention upthread.

I remember the comment about "rat face" though.

Likewise, I hope for better luck to those of you out in the SF Valley and around Sylmar. I hate to see anyone lose their home and have to evacuate. I'm really pulling for the firefighters to tackle the Sylmar fire.

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