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Dodger Independent Spirit Awards
2008-11-21 15:22
by Jon Weisman

We have a frontrunner in Dodger Hill. (Thanks to Blue Heaven for the link.)

Casey Willard directed and co-wrote/co-starred with Brian Petersen.

Comments (115)
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2008-11-21 15:26:06
1.   cargill06

I share this trait as well. Playing "Smear the [Rules 1 & 2 violation]" was always fun for me.

Um, is there something I don't know about one of our commenters?

2008-11-21 15:34:07
2.   bhsportsguy
From Baseball America:

At its 1974 convention, the NCAA changed its rules to allow athletes to be professionals in one sport while retaining their amateur eligibility in another. So Dixon, like Cubs righthander/Notre Dame wide receiver Jeff Samardzija was last fall, can be paid to play minor league baseball and then return to play college football.

2008-11-21 15:34:52
3.   Jacob Burch
I am off to Westwood to finish/drop off my final paper ever, then a weekend in San Diego culminating with (I think?) the Colts/Chargers game.

Hopefully done guilt free as a 100% Bruin graduate! Yahoo!

Talk to you all Monday!

2008-11-21 15:36:47
4.   cargill06
2 ty
2008-11-21 15:38:27
5.   Jacob Burch
Eight dollars? When was this, 1960?
2008-11-21 15:41:42
6.   trainwreck
2008-11-21 15:41:56
7.   ToyCannon
Early 21st century

From previous thread, loved flag and tackle football, disliked touch. I knew my group was to old for real football when one of our guys broke his ankle and missed work which resulted in him having a financial hardship. That was probably the last real football game I played and that was 25 years ago.

2008-11-21 15:42:18
8.   Tripon
2 That is a huge loophole.

Drew Rosenhaus could claim to be a baseball agent, and have some pondunk independent baseball team sign a player and give a big bonus, while that baseball 'prospect' suddenly decides to switch to football. And Rosenhaus already has him years earlier as a client than he otherwise could.

2008-11-21 15:45:23
9.   Kevin Lewis

I feel like my mixture of speeds and location are being undervalued. I threw to contact, walked less people, and our team won


2008-11-21 15:50:40
10.   68elcamino427
It's just around the corner - just over the next rise - we're almost there.

Just give me a little CC Rider:)

2008-11-21 15:52:32
11.   ToyCannon
You were pitching to Reg and Jacob, it was like you were facing the Giants.
2008-11-21 15:56:12
12.   trainwreck
No idea why Coach Howland is not getting the freshmen in there during garbage time.
2008-11-21 15:56:19
13.   bhsportsguy
9 Don't cry, with that profile, Carlos Silva made a lot of money in his last contract.

8 I am not clear on what you are saying, first off, usually, the baseball bonuses are contigent upon that player actually performing (bonuses are structured to be paid out upon reporting to a minor league assignment, etc.) If you are saying that a football agent could sneak in and build a relationship with a player, I suppose that could happen but there are really not that many agents who represent players in more than one sport.

Arn Tellum perhaps but I can't think of that many.

2008-11-21 15:56:49
14.   Dodgers49
According to Heyman:

Dodgers looking at CC

>> Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti, who has quite a puzzle on his hands with two or three infield openings, a leftfield opening and at least one more opening in the starting rotation, said in a phone interview with that they are looking into superstar free agent pitcher CC Sabathia <<

2008-11-21 15:57:16
15.   oshea2002
We have a Lil Romeo sighting on ESPNU.

Where was this effort last night?

2008-11-21 16:00:56
16.   Kevin Lewis

Weren't you on my team? Now I am just feeling no loyalty at all. I demand a trade

2008-11-21 16:03:40
17.   bhsportsguy
12 I think UCLA best chance to win a NCAA title will be in 2010-2011, if they still have 4 of this current group of freshman, plus all 5 of next year's class and then Tyler Lamb, Williams and whomever else they get.

You will have a good group of 9 players who will be entering their 2nd and 3rd years and Howland will be able to ease in his freshman playres.

Next year will be more of the same and probably even more chaotic in the beginning because you won't even have Collison, Shipp (I know his faults but he at least as a ton of experience) and Aboya (and probably Holliday around) and those 4 will probably end up being in your top 6 scorers of the team.

2008-11-21 16:06:06
18.   trainwreck
Yeah, a lot will depend on players leaving to the NBA.
2008-11-21 16:09:14
19.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Rumor in SB is that Hansborough WILL be playing tonight.
/works on UCSB campus
//down the hall from athletics office
2008-11-21 16:09:29
20.   bhsportsguy
18 Seems like outside of Jrue, there are no players that right now appear to be guys who will leave before their 3rd year.

I guess because guards and small forwards tend to make the leap easier, you could project, especially if they have good sophomore year, Anderson and Lee from this year's class and maybe Honeycutt and Moser from next year's class.

All the bigs (Gordon, Morgan, Reeves, Lane, and Stover) are probably going to be in Westwood for a while.

2008-11-21 16:11:11
21.   regfairfield
11 I so went 2 for 3 in the fast pitch game.

I can't hit slow pitch for whatever reason.

2008-11-21 16:12:39
22.   trainwreck
I think Lee possibly could. Getting Josh Smith in the 2010 class would go a long way to making your prediction right.
2008-11-21 16:13:13
23.   trainwreck
Funny Steve Lavin out of context quote:

"I love big melons."

2008-11-21 16:14:29
24.   mintxcore
21 Still proud to have gotten on base in every AB. Refused to swing on the first pitch!
2008-11-21 16:24:10
25.   underdog
Congrats Jacob!

Well my weekend's off to a not quite as good start, as my home computer, my precious Mac laptop, is going to spend it in the shop after the (I believe) hard drive died. I'm just praying they can retrieve data if they have to replace it. I backed up some of the more important files recently but not as much as I'd like. Stupid technology...

Too bad my work computer is a heavy desktop model or I'd take it home. Anyway, so don't expect as much of ol' underdog to kick around this weekend.

2008-11-21 16:24:41
26.   Tripon
23 Is there a reason why Lavin didn't return to coaching?
2008-11-21 16:25:32
27.   trainwreck
I see right through this. You just don't want to face us after the Raiders trash the Broncos. ; )
2008-11-21 16:26:03
28.   bhsportsguy
26 For one, no one has offered him a job.
2008-11-21 16:26:52
29.   bhsportsguy
22 He would need a "Russell Westbrook" type sophomore season.
2008-11-21 16:27:12
30.   trainwreck
He has not gotten any offers from good programs. I am not even sure he has gotten a single offer.
2008-11-21 16:27:29
31.   underdog
27 Oh, for that I'd log on to DT from my cell phone. Just to show how tough as nails I am. ;-) Maybe I'll do that even if by some miracle the Broncos win.
2008-11-21 16:28:40
32.   still bevens
Lavin is good friends with one Ned Colletti. Long story short a friend of mine got hooked up with some great seats on the day of the trade deadline and ended up sitting with Lavin and ultimately went up into the GMs box and got to meet Ned, Mueller and Kim Ng. I guess they go back from when Ned used to work for the Giants.
2008-11-21 16:30:18
33.   trainwreck
The Legion of Doom!
2008-11-21 16:35:06
34.   D4P
Lavin is good friends with one Ned Colletti

One is plenty.

2008-11-21 16:42:53
35.   trainwreck
Fuuuuudge! Aboya may have a broken hand.
2008-11-21 16:44:12
36.   John Hale
I think the reason that Lavin doesn't coach is related to his statement in 23
You would know this if you have seen his wedding photo which is suprisingly widely available
2008-11-21 16:47:53
37.   mintxcore

say goodbye to your friday night!
Life Magazine's photo archives are now up on google. this link is a search for 'dodgers baseball'. see you sunday! ;D

2008-11-21 17:05:36
38.   Jon Weisman
Arrested Development movie updates:

2008-11-21 17:08:09
39.   trainwreck
Woo hoo!
2008-11-21 17:09:06
40.   D4P
The "holdout" is presumably George Michael*.

*Not the singer-songwriter: the other George Michael.

2008-11-21 17:09:40
41.   trainwreck
Hmmmm, who is the hold out?
2008-11-21 17:16:44
42.   trainwreck
Michael Cera would be surprising since he is willing to a film like Extreme Movie.
2008-11-21 17:16:58
43.   trainwreck
* to do
2008-11-21 18:01:15
44.   Xeifrank
A little late here, but I just have to say that video of the two guys hiking to Dodger Stadium to save money on parking was great. These guys put out better stuff than Hollywood does.
vr, Xei
2008-11-21 18:03:27
45.   trainwreck
UNC totally needs Hansborough against UCSB.
2008-11-21 18:10:00
46.   D4P
Michael Cera is on record saying that he is generally opposed to doing an Arrested Development movie.
2008-11-21 18:13:16
47.   trainwreck
2008-11-21 18:14:07
48.   D4P
I think he likes the idea of going out on top, and doesn't want to soil the show by doing a movie that doesn't live up to the high standards.

So, I guess if he really liked the script, he'd be more interested.

2008-11-21 18:18:26
49.   D4P's Ken Rosenthal believes the A's and Giants are the favorites to sign Rafael Furcal. The Cubs, Braves and Orioles are also interested, and the Dodgers still hope to re-sign him. "It's moving pretty fast," Dodgers GM Ned Colletti told on Friday. "I don't know if we're going to be in it or not." Furcal is expected to receive a four-year deal.

Normally, I would therefore assume that the A's and Giants weren't even involved. But I tend to think they're both interested.

2008-11-21 18:20:18
50.   Ken Noe
Heyman says the Dodgers have inquired with the Rangers about Millwood and Padilla:

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2008-11-21 18:21:51
51.   trainwreck
How could he possibly not know if they are in it or not? Isn't that his job.
2008-11-21 18:23:34
52.   Tripon
51 I think Ned's implying that he doesn't know if the Dodgers offer is good enough to stay in the race.

If the Dodgers offer two years and a option with a high buyout, the Dodgers might be somewhere in the ballpark but is certainly outpaced by any offer by the A's or Giants.

2008-11-21 18:26:24
53.   D4P

Millwood is horrible, and is set to make $11m in 2009 and $12m in 2010.

Padilla isn't much better, and is set to make $12m in 2009, with $12m club option in 2010.

I can sort of understand inviting junk like this to spring training, but trading for it is an entirely different story. (Unless Pierre/Jones is/are involved).

2008-11-21 18:35:19
54.   trainwreck
Shouldn't you have some idea of what other teams are offering? Or else you end up in a Kevin Malone situation.
2008-11-21 18:37:13
55.   trainwreck
Jalen Rose claims he knows Lebron and Chris Bosh will both sign with the Knicks in 2010.
2008-11-21 18:39:09
56.   bhsportsguy
54 Well its not as if the other teams (short of what the Dodgers did with Manny and the Yankees did with CC) broadcast what they are going to do.

In a sense you have to put blinders on and hope that one, your offer is the best one for that player and two, really don't care what the other teams offer since this isn't "The Price Is Right."

2008-11-21 18:39:25
57.   Tripon
54 How much do the Dodgers rely on leaked media reports, or do the Dodgers have their own ninjas that can sleuth out other teams contracts proposals? The Dodgers don't have a right to details of other teams proposals do they?
2008-11-21 18:41:24
58.   Tripon's Chris Haft talked to Edgar Renteria's agent Jeff Lane, who said he's actively negotiating with the Giants. At least six teams are interested in Renteria, but his future is tied to Rafael Furcal. Furcal is expected to sign first, and the shortstops share many of the same suitors.

The Giants also have serious interest in Orlando Hudson. It'd be surprising to see them sign two middle infielders though.

I'm surprised that a lot of the guys are breaking this news, but then I have to remind myself they don't actually work for the teams they're reporting on.

2008-11-21 18:44:32
59.   regfairfield
Millwood's peripherals don't seem that bad. Why has he sucked so horribly recently?
2008-11-21 18:45:39
60.   regfairfield
57 At least in Moneyball, Billy Beane would lesson to a couple guys like Gammons, but for the most part he knew everything before it reached the wires.
2008-11-21 18:50:29
61.   bigcpa
56 Is there anything stopping agents from revealing other offers or whispering "it's gonna take at least X to get it done"? I haven't heard of teams asking for NDA's when they submit offers to FA's.
2008-11-21 18:53:20
62.   LogikReader

Oh WHY, Ned? WHY??

Ned can't tell the difference between a lemon and a lime

One, two, three, four, five...

2008-11-21 18:58:24
63.   Tripon
60 That sounds a lot like revisionist history. Are Beane sources just that much better than the rest of baseball?
2008-11-21 19:00:50
64.   LogikReader
Mann... even when I change the channel I can't avoid Steve Physioc!
2008-11-21 19:02:47
65.   Tripon
54 Also, I think Boras is good at withholding information and telling half truths to get a team to overbid. He did it with A-Rod and Texas after all.
2008-11-21 19:03:12
66.   godvls
Senses working overtime.....
2008-11-21 19:03:48
67.   Tripon
Free agent outfielder Garret Anderson has a new agent: Scott Boras.

2008-11-21 19:04:38
68.   Andrew Shimmin
Are there sweeps in November? ABC is going wall to wall prostitution tonight, with Eliot Spitzer's call girl on 20/20, and a Nightline investigation into Nevadan brothels during an economic downturn.
2008-11-21 19:04:52
69.   D4P
Like other tours, the Japan Golf Tour offers a profile of each player on their website.

Like other tours, the Japan Golf Tour reports a player's birth date, birth place, height, and weight.

As far as I know, however, the Japan Golf Tour is the only tour to report a player's...

wait for it...

blood type.


2008-11-21 19:05:27
70.   trainwreck
ESPN's keys for UCSB:

Divine Intervention

2008-11-21 19:05:43
71.   Andrew Shimmin
Should have asked wikipedia--this is the final week of the sweeping. Mystery solved.
2008-11-21 19:06:58
72.   Andrew Shimmin
69- The Japanese have a thing about blood type. I don't remember which one is the good one, though. Bob would know.
2008-11-21 19:08:02
73.   Tripon
69 Japan has a odd superstition that claims that a person's blood type reveals his personality.
2008-11-21 19:10:52
74.   Andrew Shimmin
Is there anything wikipedia doesn't know? No; by definition, there is not.

Highly recommend following the link to the Blood Type Diet page.

2008-11-21 19:14:48
75.   D4P
Huh. Ya learn something everyday.
2008-11-21 19:18:53
76.   trainwreck
Much like most people at UCSB, the basketball players look like they are not allowed to lift weights.
2008-11-21 19:22:44
77.   Tripon
2008-11-21 19:32:03
78.   LogikReader
Holy smokes! UCSB has a... lead.
2008-11-21 19:43:22
79.   trainwreck
Well that was fun while it lasted.
2008-11-21 20:03:43
80.   larry slimfast
I must admit, watching that video felt a bit like watching a really long Sonic commercial.
2008-11-21 20:41:07
81.   Xeifrank
UNC: 60
UCSB: 53
10:00 Left in the game.

Gauchos win expectancy is about 7%
vr, Xei

2008-11-21 20:41:57
82.   LogikReader

That's a lot higher than I thought.

2008-11-21 20:48:03
83.   Andrew Shimmin
People always say they'd go to Europe, or visit family if they found out they were going to die, soon. I'd do this, instead:

2008-11-21 20:50:37
84.   Xeifrank
82. I just made it up. :)
vr, Xei
2008-11-21 20:52:47
85.   LAbits
Just had to click that toaster oven ad... the hot stove is heating up.
2008-11-21 21:08:34
86.   Tripon
Dylan Hernandez of the L.A. Times talked to Joe Beimel's agent Joe Sroba, who said he hasn't been contacted by the Dodgers. Sroba and Ned Colletti agree - the Dodgers are going in a different direction.

Beimel has drawn interest from the Mets, Reds, Tigers, Cardinals, and Rockies. He's probably fishing around for a three-year deal at this point.

2008-11-21 21:10:44
87.   Tripon
I just heard Hubie Brown talks about points differential. When the last time a guy like Buck Martinez, or Joe Morgan talk about run differential?

It seems that advanced metrics are more accepted in basketball than in baseball.

2008-11-21 21:15:10
88.   LogikReader

Football too, sometimes. In LOCKS of the Week, I often dissect a team's prowess based on several factors, including Point Differential.

It's what led me to believe the Titans were for real and the Bills... weren't.

2008-11-21 21:22:21
89.   Tripon
88 The Titans are for real because the best running back plays for them. LenDale White, woooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

Hahahahahahahaha, just kidding. Although if you told me that out of the three lynchpins to the offense, Reggie Bush, Matt Lineart, and LenDale White, that White would have the best NFL career, I would have rolled my eyes at that.

2008-11-21 21:36:10
90.   Bob Loblaw
I can't seriously imagine Ned discussing Millwood or Padilla unless it involves dumping Pierre/Jones/Schmidt.
2008-11-21 21:39:43
91.   Tripon
Why would the Rangers want Pierre/Jones/Schmidt?

Schmidt's been even more injured than Millwood and Padilla, and Jones/Pierre are both center fielders, and Texas has one of the best offensive CFs in the game with Josh Hamilton.

2008-11-21 22:24:49
92.   Tripon
Jordan Farmer is hilarious.
2008-11-21 22:26:20
93.   Tripon
Mike Downey, the former Los Angeles Times sports columnist (and featured California columnist on page A3 for awhile in the 1990s, when state and local news still ranked ahead of national and foreign in the front section), was laid off Thursday at the Chicago Tribune after five years.

2008-11-21 22:32:26
94.   Eric Stephen
Here's a piece of random trivia. What do the following players have in common?

Josh Beckett
Mike Boddicker
Steve Carlon
Chris Carpenter
Bartolo Colon
Ross Grimsley
Bill Gullickson
Roy Halladay
Rick Helling
Teddy Higuera
Danny Jackson
Cliff Lee
Jon Lieber
Esteban Loaiza
Ramon Martinez
Jamie Moyer
Mike Mussina
Russ Ortiz
Roy Oswalt
Gaylord Perry
Bret Saberhagen
Johan Santana
John Smiley
Bill Swift
Frank Viola
Brandon Webb
Dontrelle Willis
Barry Zito

2008-11-21 22:37:33
95.   Icaros

All pitchers.

2008-11-21 22:39:00
96.   kinbote
94 They're each in perfect alphabetical order?
2008-11-21 22:39:10
97.   Bob Timmermann
I've never heard of Steve Carlon.
2008-11-21 22:52:35
98.   Eric Stephen
Getting warmer.

That was a "ypo"

2008-11-21 22:58:32
99.   brookster1967

They were all 20 game winners?

2008-11-21 23:04:13
100.   Eric Stephen
That's close enough. Those are each the last 20-game winners for every MLB team except Colorado & Tampa Bay.

Ramon Martinez was the last Dodger 20-game winner, with 20 wins in 1990.

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2008-11-21 23:04:39
101.   Gagne55
94 All-star pitchers
2008-11-21 23:06:45
102.   brookster1967

Wow. 18 seasons since a 20 game winner for the Dodgers. Hard to believe with some of the fine starters we have had since 1990.

2008-11-22 00:59:42
103.   Louis in SF
Does anyone know if Ned has any understanding with Furcal's agent about being able to make a final offer. If the media reports are true it seems that the Dodgers stated publicly they wanted Furcal back and Furcal wanted to come back to the Dodgers and almost implied that he would take a little less-but right now it seems like the Dodgers are the odd man out?
2008-11-22 03:25:47
104.   68elcamino427
The key words here are Furcal back (ouchy)
Bye-bye Raffy
2008-11-22 06:20:48
105.   Dodger Dawg
I would love for the Dodgers to sign CC, but I would also worry that he could turn into Sid Fernandez, a good pitcher who couldn't control his weight and ended up retiring because of bad knees. That said either you take a chance or you don't, the same with Raffy, do the positives outweigh the potential negatives? I would hate to be Ned now, or any day.
2008-11-22 06:55:12
106.   old dodger fan
0 Great video. The Dodgers ought to buy it and call it, "Just Pay the 15 Bucks".
2008-11-22 07:04:29
107.   herchyzer
93 . I recall, if I can, accurately, the truly glorious moment the LA Times Sports Section had around '87 or so when Downey, Ostler, and Murray all wrote columns there. Seems like it lasted about 6 months before Downey switched sections and Ostler moved on to the Chron (?). I'm also not positive that Murray was still writing. That's what I remember, though, and it's great!
2008-11-22 07:22:38
108.   Eric Stephen
I think with CC, he has an established level of performance well ahead of that of Sid Fernandez. Certainly his weight is a concern, but CC has shown a durability and performance level better than Sid ever did.

Sid Fernandez, Through Age 27
1212 IP, 108 ERA+
3 seasons with 180 IP
2 with 200 IP
186 IP avg over 6 seasons (age 22-27)
ERA+ ranging from 100 to 125 (only once above 115)

CC, Through 27
1659 IP, 121 ERA+
8 seasons with 180 IP
3 with 200 IP (included 494 IP last two years)
207 IP avg over 8-year career
ERA+ ranging from 100 to 162
4 times above 120 ERA+ (last 3 years over 140)

The best 3 ERA+ in Sid Fernandez's career came in his age 28-30 seasons, but injuries limited his innings (only 44 in his age 28 season) to only 126 IP/yr. But I think Sid battled those problems earlier in his career as well, something CC has yet to go through.

2008-11-22 08:04:26
109.   Marty
In today's letters to the sports section:

Manny is arguably the singular most impactive player the Dodgers have ever had.

That is one heck of a sentence. Jeff Breslow, I salute you.

2008-11-22 08:05:25
110.   Ken Noe
104 I think there's a good chance that Ned panics and gives him the extra year to keep him away from the Giants. That's how we got JP.
2008-11-22 08:09:57
111.   D4P
I find Furcal's agent declaration that he won't sign for less than 4 years to be a pretty idle threat. GMs should not feel the least bit compelled to comply.
2008-11-22 08:54:29
112.   D4P
Tennis great Jimmy Connors was arrested outside the campus arena where UC Santa Barbara and top-ranked North Carolina were playing a basketball game.

The eight-time Grand Slam champion was taken into custody Friday night after refusing to comply with an order to leave an area near the entrance of the Thunderdome following a confrontation, police Sgt. Dan Massey said in a statement.

2008-11-22 09:22:44
113.   Jon Weisman
2008-11-22 09:54:12
114.   Johnson
Tennis great Jimmy Connors was arrested outside the campus arena where UC Santa Barbara and top-ranked North Carolina were playing a basketball game.

The eight-time Grand Slam champion was taken into custody Friday night after refusing to comply with an order to leave an area near the entrance of the Thunderdome following a confrontation, police Sgt. Dan Massey said in a statement.

Jimmy, can't we just get beyond Thunderdome?

(NPUT or no NPUT, Crow T. Robot told me it was my responsibility to make this joke.)

2008-11-22 22:35:08
115.   dzzrtRatt
So, whoever encouraged me today (or was it yesterday) to liten to The Mountain Goats, I've purchased several songs off iTunes:

San Bernardino
Heretic Pride
Love Love Love
No Children
Sax Rohmer #1
This Year

So far, he sounds a lot like Sufjan Stevens and the guy who sang lead on Postal Service. Except on some songs, especially "No Children," he's really angry. Just in musical terms, my favorite right now is "San Bernardino" -- love the strings. I like the overall low-fi feel, and the clarity he seems very dedicated to. He's not fooling around in his lyrics. He wants you to hear every word unmistakably.

In the same buying/downloading spree, I picked up a few Cat Power songs. I love "The Greatest," so I wanted to see what else she can do. Brilliant. I love her version of Dylan's "I Believe in You." But where I really blew my wad was on a recording of Yo-Yo Ma playing all six Bach Suites for Unaccompanied Cello -- the more recent of his two recordings. On iTunes, that one set me back $12.99. On Amazon, it would've cost me $29. Those suites are like spiritual math. You feel your mind being reordered while listening to them.

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