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What do Dodger fans want? Sports columnist and friend of Dodger Thoughts Jim Alexander of the Press-Entrerprise is planning a column in reaction to Jamie McCourt's much-dissected comments from a couple weeks back, and e-mailed to ask this site's readers for their thoughts in advance.
I'm looking for some feedback for a column I'm writing on what fans really want from the owners of their favorite teams, and whether they're getting it. (And yes, Jamie McCourt is the inspiration for this idea.)
I think I know, in general terms, what fans are looking for:
Am I accurate? Are there other things you want from your owner that I haven't thought of? And how close has your ownership come to providing them?
Thanks in advance.
My reaction? I think Alexander's more or less on target, although one question is how one thing (reasonable ticket and concession prices) can affect another (a team we can be proud of). I'm actually not convinced that they need to affect each other, but certainly lowering prices would give owners the public relations cover to do less with the product on the field. Luxury suites have also helped with revenue in this day and age, although it will be interesting to see how filled they are next year in the current economy.
Also, I would address the thugs in the stands before I worried about the thugs on the roster. I would mention ballpark security in the first bullet point, but I don't think that player thugs are such an ongoing issue that they need to be singled out for concern.
In a way, if you really want to simplify things, you could summarize your wish list in these seven words: "Respect for the fan on every level."
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Baseball Prospectus intern and fellow Hoya Ben Lindbergh explores one of my favorite topics today: relief pitcher volatility. He links to my 2006 SI.com article ("You need good relief, but you sure can't plan for it") in passing as he searches for potential reliever bargains for 2009.
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The Dodgers' schedule for their Spring Training debut in Arizona is official, the team announced today. They open at Mesa against the Cubs on February 25, and their home opener is March 1 against their bunkmates, the White Sox.
The ballpark, which has a capacity of 13,000, features ticket prices beginning as low as $8, with 88 percent of the ticket prices at $30 or less and 44 percent of all tickets available for $20 or less. There are a limited number of Home Plate Club season seats still on sale. Fans interested in purchasing season tickets should visit dodgers.com/spring or call (323) 224-1471. ...
Nine of the Dodgers' 17 contests at Camelback Ranch fall on Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. ... The schedule also features a March 12 home exhibition game against an Asian Qualifier for the 2009 World Baseball Classic.
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Update: Tony Jackson of the Daily News has quotes from Joe Torre regarding Joe Beimel and Brad Penny:
On Beimel: "You make a decision as to what you want to do. We just felt Joe was inconsistent. He took the ball, whether good or bad, and went out there on a regular basis. I love Joe, but he wasn't as good against left-handed hitters as he had been in the past."
On Penny: "I thought it was best that he go out there on his own. He was uncomfortable, and I know he had some physical issues. We tried to use him out of the bullpen, but I think he was a little hesitant about doing that. Maybe the fact he was becoming a free agent had something to do with that."
Lefties had a .641 OPS against Beimel in 2008, compared to .490 in 2007 and .621 in 2006. More evidence of reliever volatility. Beimel didn't have a bad year, but he's probably not worth the dollars he thinks he deserves.
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Update 2: Farewell, Robert Prosky: The Judge and Sgt. Jablonski. Prosky passed away almost exactly 25 years after his Hill Street Blues predecessor, Michael Conrad.
2) I want a productive player development system and sound free-agent signings.
3) I want ownership and management to stop embarrassing the team and its fans.
As a Dodger fan, I have recieved only 2.5 of these things since Frank McCourt bought the team (our player development system seems to be pretty good).
As a fan, I want confidence in my owner that they want to win; I don't want them to just be in it for the tax write-off ("You don't even know what that means, do you?").
I do like what the McCourts have done to improve the stadium thus far. Also, even though the parking is $15, it seems the congestion has been lessened and there is a better flow in and out of the stadium now (in my experiences; I will defer to season ticket holders or regulars on this one).
Oh and I agree with DL above.
I'm more concerned with Thugs in the stands than Thugs on the field, the latter of which in general doesn't seem to be a problem for the Dodgers these days while the former is.
$37 million for 3 years.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/mets-close-to-s.html
http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3708460&vkey=news_cin&fext=.jsp&c_id=cin
I think the flow inside the stadium is better, but the congestion outside the stadium is worse.
That deserves a Germans bomb Pearl Harbor post.
I want an ownership willing to go rogue from MLB when it comes to signing bonuses for draft choices, because the fans are more important than Bud Selig's arbitrary and unenforced rules.
I want a team whose manager is specifically instructed never to consider salaries when allocating playing time.
I want a team whose GM will recognize when a prime prospect is ready for major-league ball, and who will only block his progress if he manages to land a big star in his prime, not merely a veteran who's "been there." This applies to the entire team, including the bench.
I want food service employees who act as if they recognize that the customer wants to get back to the game she/he paid for as soon as possible, and not like they took this job because working at the post office was too intense.
1) A winning team
2) All home/away games televised.
I rarely go to games and with all the drunkeness, cussing and rowdy behaviour, I would never take my family to a game at Dodger stadium. Never! I just watch at home and hope they win. Parking is free in my driveway and the fridge is fully stocked.
vr, Xei
Everything mentioned in the column plus:
Stop raising ticket/parking/concession prices; I don't want to pay more for your "enhanced fan experiences".
So you don't want the Dodgers? ; )
2) A pleasant experience at the park. This means, to quote Andy Partridge, "no thugs in our house", among other things. Dodger security seems to take the ironic view implicit in that lyric quite literally:
http://www.lyricstime.com/xtc-no-thugs-in-our-house-lyrics.html
3) Reasonably priced refreshments. Yes, we get it, we don't have any options, but the annual price hikes on EVERYTHING are getting really tiresome.
4) Parking. Whether it's getting in and out of the park or the annual increases, it's just irritating. Stop pretending that because you've gotten Dodger fans to the gates that people stop their internal clocks as to the ease of getting to or from a game.
5) Stop the lying. Dodger ownership has been remarkably mendacious since the McCourts have taken over. Whether it's the latest fiasco over the disingenuous "kids-or-Manny" flap (one which Jamie McCourt elliptically claimed to have been misquoted without proof), refusal to respond to reports about handicapped patrons being forcibly escorted away from actual handicapped stalls, or the PR-driven firing of subordinates, the McCourts don't elicit a lot of trust. That started even before they "bought" the club (requiring a loan from the seller, News Corp., was a big red flag), but there have been a lot of subsequent events to steadily leach trust out of their relationship with their fans. The second-half refusal to take on even a smidgen of payroll, and absurdly high prices at their new spring training facility (which they had to share with another team!), both make one suspicious that the Dodgers are in serious financial trouble.
vr, Xei
That person posited that this little nugget reveals all you need to know about the team under the current era: that is, the team is interested in the SHOW of good business and PR without actually backing it up.
"Respect for the fan on every level" has it exactly right.
Add that last one to mine in 21 . The food service is slow, uninterested, and generally bad/cranky. Despite offseason "improvements" I waited in line twice this year longer than two innings for garlic fries with fewer than 10 people in front of me.
One really sobering thought was when Kirkjian or Gammons (not sure) said guys like Adam Dunn, Bradley, Burrell will be offered contracts of around $8-10 mil a year. To think we will be paying Juan Pierre the same amount as those guys is sickening.
-I want Frank McCourt to lock up The Bison to a fifteen year deal.
-I want our owner to ban acquisitions involving washed up ex Giants.
Wow, if the Brewers are that desperate we should start talking to them.
What does the MM stand for?
That is what I was thinking and it is definitely something I would take a long look at.
Its a bad feeling, and I rather not do the swap.
Negotiating with Boras about whom? Manny? Lowe? Burnett?
If the choice if Loney or Fielder, I give Weird Game James a hearty handshake, tell him thanks for the grand slam, then I end with Jack Woltz's closing remarks to Mr. Tom Hagen.
What, specifically, is the problem that so many have with Frank McCourt as the owner of the Dodgers? It seems he has spent money on the team, improved the ballpark, kept his comments mostly out of the papers (his wife admittedly has failed there), let his GM handle things (like the GM or not, I believe an owner should let his GM work), made the correct things priorities and done his best to achieve them. What's more, all the talk of him being broke seems to be total heresay that is totally unsupported by all evidence. My only issue is $15 parking which seems to me to be a mistake of both PR and economics. But what (and again- specifically) do you have against him? DzzrtRat, I've always respected your comments and I know you are particularly unhappy with McCourt... thoughts?
2. Field a good team but without thugs if possible. I would rather watch JP or Blake's mediocre play than a guy who insults my intelligence. Humility is a nice thing sometimes. I cannot root for people who I don't believe are decent human beings. It's an ethical thing that stats won't sway ever. Bring in a guy like Bradley again, I won't come to the ball park.
3. Try and put together a more offensive ball club. I went to 8 games last year where the Dodgers went 1-7 and scored about 10 runs in that span. I am tired of my uncle and I schlepping out to the ball park to watch the Dodgers lose 3-1 or 4-2. This last request is a tough one to fulfill but so is life. Get on it McCourts.
Thanks for letting me air this because I have been genuinely bothered by the way my favorite team is being run service wise. If the McCourts see any of this, that I will feel satisfied.
1) A commitment to field a championship caliber team each season.
The Dodgers are near 4 million in attendance each year. The fans keep coming and keep spending in the face of yearly price increases. As a return on the fan's investment I expect that the Dodgers spare no expense or effort in putting forth the best team in baseball.
How about Broxton AND Kuo?
http://www.thememphisedge.com/2008/12/09/crittenton-close-to-being-dealt/
Are former Lakers old friends?
I find it interesting that M works for dollars, but there appears to be a dispute about what to use for billions. The SI prefix for billions is G (= giga), but the financial press inevitably uses B (= billion). Fortunately, everyone agrees again at trillions (tera, trillion, both use capital T).
That's a shame. He's a classic "that guy" who has been in just about everything.
In the wake of the Fox ownership, he is like a good president coming after a bad one (hypothetically speaking).
I haven't really had problems with McCourt. I have responded to the increase in parking and food by parking outside and bringing in my own food.
I would like better security, but as far as the player assessment, I look to Ned.
There were rumors he committed to UCLA on his trip. Let us just have this one, you already got Ayles.
1. Better prices on concession food, for the $40 I spend there I could have had a steak dinner with my husband rather than some hot dogs and soda.
2. Lower the cost of parking. We started taking the shuttle to Dodgers stadium because that worked out to be better than paying for the parking. Of course now that we take the shuttle we also need to give ourselves two to three hours of time just to get to the stadium.
3. Fan safety is a big one. I understand that we have rivals, but everyone should feel safe at the stadium to support whichever team they want. It can get brutal listening to people scream at someone wearing another teams colors. I remember learning sportsmanship in school and that meant respect for everyone on every team even if they weren't your team. Not to mention the shooting in the parking lot after a Giants/Dodgers game, that was just bad.
4. I would like to see some better ticket prices. I used to love sitting on the field level and now I'm lucky if I can afford seats in the top deck or in the pavillions.
That's all I can come up with. I like what the future looks like for the park, a place to come early and spend some time before the game. It should be family friendly and affordable for that same family to attend.
I for one, just dont get the sense that McCourt cares about winning first, and that is what I would wish for. If he did, I wouldnt think he would care so much about not paying relatively small shares of players' contracts (i.e. casey blake) and trading more prospects instead.
Do you think you guys will pull Teo away from BYU?
But I think Bulldog1988 is just saying that the price of hot dogs and peanuts is that high.
He's been paying for those huge capitol improvements every year with something and I'm sure it wasn't his cash.
You are right about the land around the ballpark not mattering unless it needs to be refinanced, but without knowing the terms of the loan I figured it could pose major problems for him down the road.
Refusing to take on any contracts involving adding payroll past the break this year was a strong sign. So was the deceitful "baseball-fields-or-Manny" nonsense that Jamie McCourt blurted out.
Isn't Weaver a 4/5th starter at this point of his career?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Out of curiosity, how do you know that?
I think anyone who bought a house in 2004 has seen that house fall back to the same level they paid for it. If they borrowed against the highs in 2006 they are what we call screwed.
He did sell the boston property to Fox to pay off that loan
http://tinyurl.com/6f5j7r
I would agree that is biggest asset is now the Dodgers themselves but we have no idea what else he owns and he's done nothing but spend (both personally and professionally) like a guy who is just fine. Maybe he is close to tapped out but what evidence (even anecdotally) does anybody have that it might be so?
First of all, Mark Cuban can swoop in and own the Dodgers any time!
Secondly, the Angels are running the team much better than us, but I don't know if they're are the "ideal franchise." Unless people really enjoy watching the "Anaheim Juan Pierres", I think the offense could be much improved at the Big A.
And who would want to listen to Phys and Hud for 3 hours every day? I can also do without a goofy monkey every 7th inning or so.
And thundersticks.
The comment stating that McCourt has let Coletti operate freely doesn't seem to be true.
We gave the Padres a good prospect so that they would pay Maddux's salary. Same thing with Indians.
87 - How is getting rid of Carlos Santana instead of shelling out an extra $5 million (which is a very small percent of his overall empire), or Jamie McCourt's quote, any kind of significant evidence that the McCourts are broke? It could just as easily indicate they're misers.
The definition of being rich isn't how much you spend, it's how much you retain. I'm not saying the Santana move wasn't shortsighted, but it doesn't come close to being a smoking gun. For all we know, they anticipated the market meltdown and felt they needed to conserve cash for the long haul, and would rather $10 million in 2010 for a catcher than $5 million now to retain him.
In 2008, they had what I believe to have been the highest payroll in Dodger history They decided not to go over it. How does that prove they're broke?
Where does the 35% loss of assets number come from? Is that made up? I would bet that if sold the Dodgers and Chavez Ravine would fetch at least as much as what McCourt paid for it.
I would rather have an owner who is rich from other businesses or assets, and can afford to own the team without relying heavily on the teams operating income for their personal yearly wealth.
As for the question of why McCourt is vilified by some, I agree that he's better than I expected, but for me, the DePodesta firing, coupled with the tendency to treat the fans as if we were idiots created a lot of ill will that will take a long time to overcome.
We knew at the time of his ownership candidacy that McCourt's biggest flaw was his lack of another cash producing asset he wouldn't need to sell in order to buy the team. This is why some people supported other possible owners. Fox of course liked the fact that they could keep the TV money for awhile.
I'm guessing because the capitol improvements were for many millions of dollars, much more then the Dodgers could provide the McCourts in cash. If I remember my BP economics on team ownership it is the depreciation of the assets which makes owning a team such a good deal.
You guys actually think McCourt paid for the capitol improvement to Dodger stadium with cash and not with borrowing against his assets. Who would do that?
In the 20 full seasons before Cuban took over in 2000, the Mavs had a winning record 6 times, and achieved 50 wins only twice. They made the playoffs 6 times, and won only 4 series.
In the 8 full seasons under Cuban, the lowest win total for the Mavs was the 51 from last year's squad. They have made the playoffs every year, and have won a total of 8 playoff series.
Also, in terms of actual dollars the 2008 Dodgers may have had the highest payroll in team history, but in terms of payroll rank among MLB teams, I believe it was actually one of the lowest Dodger payrolls in recent memory. (They ranked eighth out of 30.) The cost of keeping up with the Joneses has increased, but the Dodgers have not increased their payroll accordingly. They have one of the game's premier franchises in the second-largest market, and they still can't keep up financially with teams like Detroit and the White Sox. The Dodgers had the same payroll as Seattle.
+Frugal Because of Colletti
Oh the irony!
Why would you keep employing someone you have so little confidence in?
And enough about the Spring Training prices. It's been noted over and over again that the $90 tickets are just a tiny fraction of the available seats at the ballpark. See above in this post, for example.
I find the McCourts' disengenuousness to be their least attractive quality, but it doesn't mean they're broke. Do you see them reducing their spending anywhere that doesn't involve the Dodgers themselves? Do you see them reducing their personal spending anywhere?
I never said that it did.
Since McCourt took over, the Dodgers have made the playoffs ____ times and won ____ games and ___ playoff series.
There are some reasons to argue that McCourt is a bad owner. The Dodgers success under him relative to the last two decades is not the way to go, IMO.
Since McCourt took over, the Dodgers have won more than 84 games ____ times
You mean like Manny who could have received a raise of $30M (from the Dodgers perspective)?
It's having to share a spring training facility with another team
You mean the nicest and most expensive one in all of baseball?
and the ridiculous prices being charged fans for ST tickets.
So your broke because you charged more?
I'm sorry, none of that adds up to anything from my perspective
The Dodgers weren't historically bad for those 20 years, like the Mavs were for the most part for their first 20 years of existence.
Hits most of the points I've been making for several months but I'll just add how they handled the postseason ticket sales, and next years re-up of season tickets holders. They choose cash in hand right now over the alternative of higher cash flow at a later time. That was of course before any of their investments fell 20-50% depending on where they had it.
Time will quickly tell. If all they do this winter is sign the Loretta's and Blake's of the world while ignoring the impact players we might have more of an answer come Feb.
"CC is pretty special. And I wouldn't mind giving him the bat. He hit the longest home run in Dodger Stadium this year until [Matt] Stairs' [in the playoffs]."
http://tinyurl.com/5cyamt
It may be that they are sensational businesspeople who can do what FOX and Disney failed to do, which is to expand the team's revenue base significantly while managing a growing organization with efficiency.
The Dodgers didn't pay a penny for the facility did they?
http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/ci_11173521
Right, I've never said they are broke. I've said I think they have cash flow problems and as such I expect the budget to be less then it has been in the past.
To me whether or not the McCourt's are broke isn't important. I just want them to field a championship caliber team, whether or not it is favorable to their personal wealth.
The Dodgers didn't pay a penny for the facility did they?
Does that mean McCourt is broke, or a shrewd businessman?
Do you mean "would NOT be putting..."?
I frankly believe that Jamie McCourt's Manny-or-kids nonsense was a sudden burst of lucidity (or what passes for it from her, anyway) in that the team is hip deep in debt, is likely going to have trouble (if only perhaps short-term) servicing it, and needs to offer the public a faintly plausible explanation. That she had to back away from it subsequently doesn't change what she initially said.
117 - I have operated under this assumption for most of this year. I'm no longer sure it's warranted, i.e. the situation now may be far worse.
I am going with B and C.
Even though McCourt told the DT gathering that hiring Ned was the best decision he ever made.
From the article:
"How about a rotation of Chad Billingsley, Clayton Kershaw, Hiroki Kuroda, James McDonald and Eric Stultz?"
Poor Eric Stults. The spelling of his name confounds many!
Clearly he is not aware of the mega-deal we got worked out with the Brewers.
Sabean denies that he and Sabathia are meeting this weekend
http://tinyurl.com/5dansw
(No word yet on whether he's invited to hang out in Fairfield with CC next week, however.)
I don't question your belief in this, but it's just a belief.
130 - "They choose cash in hand right now over the alternative of higher cash flow at a later time."
And given how cash-poor the whole world is right now, one (not me, but it's not my money) could argue they did the right thing.
Not that I want CC to sign with the Giants, but I would like to see a contract finalized while both sides finish off a Double Double.
Who will be this year's Torri Hunter?
Quite the step up from Del Taco.
Neither but Branch was using the facility as a point about McCourt having money but since he didn't put any money into the facility he can't really use it to make his point. It is great when cities build you things for free and the cost is now up to the fine citizens to pay for.
I was always very proud, though, of the stability and tradition in the Dodger organization, and I certainly did notice when McCourt started firing everyone left and right and bringing in non-Dodger people. It bothered me then, and it bothers me now. By the same token, McCourt has done a great job of bringing ex-Dodgers back into the fold (especially troubled ex-Dodgers, charitably) and has done much to pay tribute to Dodger heritage. So that's good.
And I gotta say, I remain impressed that he came and sat with us DT'ers last year for 45 minutes. Some may call it a PR stunt, but I still thought it was a great thing to do.
I've got my beefs with them, but nobody's perfect. All in all I'm okay with the new ownership.
No, I was actually refuting the point that their having to share a facility meant he was broke. Whoever pays for it, sharing ST facilities is not a sign of financial hardship.
No, it leads one to believe that he values the money over Santana. And you don't need to be broke to value money.
Raiders only have 3 wins, yet they would have the 6th pick in the draft.
We suck so bad at drafting that I can't even joke about it anymore.
http://insidethedodgers.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/casey_and_camelback.html
I think it is. The fact that they chose not to do this is another instance of trying to save money whenever possible. (Though that's not always a bad thing and, of course, does not in and of itself indicate that they're broke.)
True, in Arizona all the new facilities are shared, it just makes economic sense.
Compared to the richest baseball owner in America Frank McCourt has been great. Saying I think he might be having some budget problems does not mean I think he's a terrible owner. The two are mutually exclusive. On the other hand if he is having budget problems you can lay that on the feet of Ned who he hired and who has done a good job of signing non-producing free agents at substantial cost.
We need someone other than Al making the picks. That is the problem.
I think it is June 66th.
173 Is that just in SoCal where you can see that? I was gonna look now on my way home but then remembered they said mostly LA and LB can see it.
Do you know what time Marty?
NOW
1. Stay out of the booth while the game is going. Vin works solo. Period.
2. Sign Barry Bonds.
D'oh!
He was drunk with spending the last two years...Pierre and Schmidt then Andruw J and Nomar last year...then the other extreme this summer...he may have collateral calls due to diminished equity in property or tied in with that, may have credit lines that were available being pulled this summer and fall..hence greater need for cash on hand.
He may have forseen a down draft and wanted to lock in 2008 ticket prices because he thought they were high and had downside risk?
If he sold real estate for Dodger ownership, he may be looking great, especially if he's profitable and has positive cash flow. The value of the Dodgers is definitely higher than 2004.
Or he may have a balloon payment of some sort due in a year or something that he took for granted could be rolled over . It's happening to corporate America left and right. even General Electric's dependence on commercial paper almost bankrupted the AAA company at the end of September.
There's so much we don't know, but they do desperve the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise regarding payroll. Give 'em til the end of January to evaluate.
I am going to go ahead and say that is not very accurate.
2009 - 5M
2010 - 6M
2011 - 5.25M
2012 - 1.25M or 6M
No, I think Blake will just want a single digit number. He probably didn't take one last season because he was a short-timer.
I only like to predict unimportant stuff.
That's more of a Zimmermannesque quality.
The San Gabriel Valley Tribune reports that the proposed NFL stadium in the City of Industry has been pushed back at least a year.
http://www.sgvtribune.com/ci_11173000#end
Tripon, can you point me to that link from a couple weeks ago that you posted about the 20 percent paycut rule?
Did he say that Casey gets on base an awful lot?
(3) The club's salary offer to a player under its control may not be less than 80% of the player's total compensation from the prior year, and may not be less than 70% of his compensation from 2 years earlier. These rules, however, do not apply to free agents who are offered arbitration.
http://baseball.suite101.com/article.cfm/how_baseball_arbitration_works
But I don't have the actual manual/wording, I think Eric Stephan does, and he posted it in a previous post.
ear infection's
shoulder tendinitis
& from what I remember back problems
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he's a good one when healthy though (from Wikipedia) ->During 2004, his fastball was being clocked regularly at 96 to 98 miles per hour, primarily a result of improved health. In 2003, Sheets had been troubled by bulging discs in his lower back, but these problems subsided in 2004. That season he also struck out 18 batters in a May 16, 2004 game against the Atlanta Braves. On June 13, 2004, Sheets struck out three batters on nine pitches in the third inning of a 5-4 loss to the Houston Astros. Sheets became the 26th National League pitcher and the 35th pitcher in Major League history to accomplish the nine-strike/three-strikeout half-inning.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3757993&name=law_keith
Come on Red Sox!
Tripon, can you point me to that link from a couple weeks ago that you posted about the 20 percent paycut rule?
It's in the MLB collective bargaining agreement, which every fan should have. :)
The CBA is available for download here:
http://mlbplayers.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf
The key section is on page 25 of the PDF [Article VI(D)], which is essentially what Tripon posted above:
A Club may not tender, sign or renew a Player under reserve to the Club pursuant to Article XX(A) of this Agreement and paragraph 10(a) of the Uniform Player's Contract to a Uniform Player's Contract that provides a salary for Major League service that constitutes a reduction in excess of 20% of his previous year's salary or in excess of 30% of his salary two years previous.
Players "under reserve" are the pre-FA guys. Skip forward to page 84 of the PDF [Article XX(B)(3)] for the clause about the salary reduction not being applicable for free agent arbitration types (Darren Oliver this year, for instance):
If the Player accepts the offer to arbitrate, he shall be a signed player for the next season and the parties will conduct a salary arbitration proceeding under Article VI; provided, however, that the rules concerning maximum salary reduction set forth in Article VI shall be inapplicable and the parties shall be required to exchange figures on the last day established for the exchange of salary arbitration figures under Article VI
Manny still wants his six year deal, Dodgers are still kinda sorta offering two years.(They didn't exchange numbers in this meeting.)
Goodness!
What am I chicken liver? Did you forget the Coliseum so soon?
Isn't that for a group of games?
Man, it's like they are just catering to the scalpers and resellers.
I know this is heresy, but the solution to these problems is a new smaller stadium by Staples which has access to public transportation. The experience at Phone Co. Park or Wrigley or Fenway is so superior to DS and I think its because of the size. A smaller stadium justifies the higher price tickets and is easier to manage. Public transportation alleviates much of the parking problems and would further contribute to revitalization of Downtown. I'm not suggesting a stadium the size of Staples but think about how you look back on your evening after leaving a Laker or even a Clipper game compared to the stress of an evening at DS. Just my opinion and why I am inching closer to becoming a former season ticket holder.
BTW, the McCourts are not broke, they are just cheap. They don't want to part with their money and they resist paying retail if they don't have to, although they will when its something they need or want. I know this because I am cheap.
I went to the Korea-Japan game in Anaheim in 2006 and it wasn't sold out. Of course, it was also a game without either of the two "home" teams in that group: the USA and Mexico.
It was the coldest weather I had ever been in for a baseball game in Southern California.
I went to a game at Fenway in the middle of April last year. The wind chill was below 30.
You obviously haven't been exposed to enough Jewish guilt.
They have renovated the stadium, kept payroll in the upper tier, and in my opinion have bettered the "Dodger Experience."
It's hardly their fault that public transportation in LA is a joke.
However, I must admit that as a former season ticket holder, then partial season ticket holder I have been priced out of attending more than just a few games per season. I had to sell a kidney to get playoff tickets.
Maybe the Dodgers should just put him on the backburner now and go all in on CC. Depending on how that works out, then if Manny's still seeking later, then turn back to him.
... and of course, renew out whiffle ball rivalry.
Anyone get pictures from the last meet up? I missed them.
vr, Xei
While true, we reached that upper tier by signing mediocre, over the hill veterans to short deals. They haven't made any real commitment to signing quality players up to this point. Johan Santana was available last year, and you didn't hear one thing about the Dodgers going after him.
The games where there are fights are with the big rivals like the Giants and Padres, but I don't think any baseball stadium in MLB can completely stop that when those type of games are being played.
long story short, they have raised prices across the board because the demand has been inelastic, ie ticket sales haven't declined, etc. There are a host of other factors but McCourts aren't cheap. They took over a brand that was arguably unprofitable or underachieving, invested in it and pushed the limits on pricing. And they've increased attendance at the same time! Good business really.
Can't say their cheap.
Willy Taveras for Tim Redding.
(Not quite official yet but close.)
Discuss.
Or not.
The balance of power shifts in the NL West.
I don't think Dave Sheinin is too moved:
"Taveras, who turns 27 on Christmas Day, is a speedster who stole 68 bases this season, but his OPS (on-base plus slugging) of .604 was the second-worst of any player in baseball who had enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title."
http://tinyurl.com/3dj3u2
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117997150.html
If any game Ethier plays in gets to 10 pm, he will be replaced by an older and less talented outfielder.
vr, Xei
Well, if you're gonna date a girl, you have to get her number first.
vr, Xei
vr, Xei
DeWitt projects to 727 OPS, -12 runs v avg w/ 550 PA's. But his 3b defense was + 10 UZR and +14 PMR for 150 games. Meaning he is projected net, net to be -2 runs to +2 runs at 3b. However, the kicker is that his 2b defense last yr. was terrible.. UZR had him -19 runs if he had played 150 games there. Granted, his 2b sample was too small to extrapolate into a full season, but it does raise the question of whether the Dodgers will be incurring some fairly serious defensive hits at both 3b and 2b for signing Blake and getting the alleged comfort of his blue collar "veteraness" at 3b. All for the "mere" cost of $ 17 million. Very bad deal for the Dodgers..
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