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2008-12-25 09:17
by Jon Weisman

Ben Walker of The Associated Press recalls the Mercy Bowl, a fundraiser in support of the families affected by a tragic plane disaster involving the Cal Poly football team. (Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo, to be more specific.)

All my best to everyone.

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2008-12-25 10:05:59
1.   milkshakeballa
2008-12-25 11:01:22
2.   68elcamino427
Jon - Thanks again for the finest site on the planet!

Peace and love to all ...

and for those so inclined, Dodger love!

2008-12-25 11:16:01
3.   DBrim
Bob's survey from the last post: B

Hope everyone has a good holiday.

2008-12-25 11:20:38
4.   berkowit28
Yesterday I had nothing to do for a few hours, nothing I found interesting on TV, so I decided to play back the one game I had saved on the DVR from the season: July 20, pre-Manny. I have no idea why I didn't save at least one Manny game - much more fun. But July 20 was a come-back game, which I always like.

Dodgers at Arizona, last game of a 3-game series. If they won, they'd tie for first with DBacks - something they had had for just one day after the first game of the series. If they lost - 2 games back. In the first inning, Lowe was poor and let Arizona go ahead by 3 runs. From then on it was tedious, as Webb held the Dodgers to nothing (a couple hits in the 4th), and Lowe improved to hold the D'backs as well - they got no hits after the 2nd until a triple and another run in the 6th.

So it was 4-0 Arizona and gloomy. Dodgers picked up a run in the 7th as Loney scored off a DeWitt groundout (DeWitt playing 3rd - this was pre-Casey Blake by a few days). Webb was tiring, Dodgers got a couple of walks in the 8th before Kent GIDP. Meanwhile Troncoso, who came in in the 7th, was striking out 5 D-backs.

Then the D-backs took out Webb and brought in Lyon in the 9th. Entirely due to that change, the Dodgers got 6 hits, 5 runs, from Nomar double, Loney, LaRoche (10 days to go for him), Kemp double, Ethier triple, Martin, and even a Jones RBI along the way, before Kent flied out again (1-5). Dodgers 6-4. Then Broxton held Arizona to 1 run. Dodgers win 6-5. Dodgers tie for first.

For most of the game I had to hold to the fact that I must have saved it for a reason. It was really pretty dull - like so many games at that time. Still, the general mediocre level of NL West and a certain persistence and fortitude of the less-than-great Dodgers in the first two thirds of the season meant that they kept pace with Arizona after they started going downhill in the middle of the season, and were in place to move ahead when they got Manny 10 days later. But if I ever watch this game again, I think I'll do an edited replay and skip from 1st inning to 8th. a good reminder of how a lot of games go - until that last inning - and how the tension of not knowing how it's going to turn out and the desire to have the team you root for win keeps you watching during the season. There aren't too many classics to really want to watch again and again after they're over. But I do also have 9/18/2006 saved - that one's another matter.

2008-12-25 12:39:08
5.   I Love LA
Merry Christmas guys.
2008-12-25 12:53:27
6.   mintxcore
Every female in my family got "Mammia Mia" on DVD today. I have a feeling it will be on loop. Everyone have a very ABBA xmas (because if I have to....). :D
2008-12-25 12:55:16
7.   DBrim
6 - It's still weird to see Pierce Brosnan in a role that's that far from Bond.
2008-12-25 12:59:11
8.   Bob Timmermann
No one here ever saw an episode of "Remington Steele?"
2008-12-25 13:12:57
9.   Ranma
With apologies to Hollywood Joe (62 from last post), it looks like Boras and Teixeira left some scraps on the negotiating table after all:

Anyway, just one more note on Mark Teixeira: I've heard from a reliable source that the first baseman turned down about $5 million more from the Nationals to sign with the Yankees. And the Nats would have gone higher, but were never given the chance. Teixeira jumped at Brian Cashman's first offer.

I guess it wasn't ALL about the money - just mostly about it. Being on a contender every year also brings a certain appeal.

While Tex's spurning of the Red Sox may also have something to do with Boston's tactics in pursuit of him during the 1998 MLB Draft:

After high school, Teixeira was offered a $1.5 million bonus from the Red Sox as they considered targeting him in the first round of draft. Teixeira passed and what followed left a bitter taste in the first baseman's mouth.

From Shpigel's article in today's Times: "I have a very cynical approach towards the draft," Teixeira told Baseball America in 2006. "I was naïve. It was my first realization to the business in baseball. The Red Sox told everybody that I wouldn't sign, and when it got to a late enough round, they said, 'Let's take a flier on him.' So they spoiled me for everyone else."

After being drafted by the Red Sox in the ninth round, Teixeira chose to attend Georgia Tech and went on to be drafted by the Texas Rangers as the fifth overall pick in the 2001 draft.

2008-12-25 13:19:11
10.   berkowit28
John Sickels is eliciting opinions on Dodgers prospects at .
2008-12-25 13:35:20
11.   berkowit28
I guess that should be "soliciting".
2008-12-25 14:12:35
12.   Dodgers49
Baseball and cable a union with history

>> When the New Year rings in, with it the MLB Network will bring an all-Major League Baseball channel into 50 million homes, making it the largest network debut in cable history by more than 20 million homes. <<

## "We're not trying to be about any one game or any one team," Petitti says. "We're going to be telling the story of the entire league in one given night. The idea is to be able to give fans a taste of everything." ##

2008-12-25 14:17:16
13.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Eartha Kitt.
2008-12-25 14:31:53
14.   Disabled List
4 Wow, we have a coincidence today. For absolutely no reason in particular, I also watched the one Dodger game from 2008 I have saved on my DVR: the last three innings of Game 3 of the NLDS against the Cubs.

And instead of basking in the glow and warm memories of the best Dodger postseason moment of my adult lifetime, I again fumed at how lousy TBS's broadcast was.

2008-12-25 14:34:40
15.   oshea2002
Merry Christmas everyone!
2008-12-25 15:01:49
16.   Gen3Blue
FOX seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. Not satisfied with destroying the organization, they seem to have tied up any lucrative local media (TV) income till at least 2012, thereby crippling themselves in some ways as well. Oh well, Logan's young team will ease us through this, and by then it should be old hat setting up a system that lets LA compete with large market teams, not that I'm sure I'll be happy with this
2008-12-25 15:03:09
17.   Dodgers49
Diamond Leung gives an update on Camille Johnston, the Dodgers' former senior vice president of communications:

Ex-Dodgers exec doing well

2008-12-25 16:40:18
18.   Dodger Jack
6. Arggh! I consider "Momma Mia" to be perhaps the most insipid movie ever made. Saw it on a commercial airline flight and just couldn't take it. I would confess to kidnapping the Lindburgh baby, anything, to avoid watching it again. ABBA has produced some of the schmalsiest, worst music of all time. The combination is horrifying. If you turned "My Best Friend's Wedding" into a musical, it might be as bad. Close call.

I feel for you, bro.

2008-12-25 16:57:22
19.   Alex41592
What a tremendous game for the Lakers.
2008-12-25 16:57:56
20.   dzzrtRatt
Merry Christmas everyone!
2008-12-25 17:59:40
21.   D4P
Of the 25 games the Celtics have played on Christmas, zero have been at home.
2008-12-25 19:29:13
22.   underdog
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone!

Merry Christmas to you, you wonderful old Building and Loan!

Be well, safe and happy, and may we receive Manny in our stockings belatedly.

2008-12-25 19:55:07
23.   Marty
Merry Xmas everyone.
2008-12-25 20:23:49
24.   Gen3Blue
FMC must be having a Gene Wilder special tonight, because I have seen two of my all time favorite scenes. In " Young Frakenstien", Wilder and the Monster(Boyle), dancing to "Putting on the Ritz" and Richard Prior trying to teach Wilder to act like a "jive black man" in "Silver Streak". What a night.
2008-12-25 20:51:51
25.   scareduck
Sorry for the blatant blogwhoring, but this is of such vital urgency I hope you all agree with me that it's merited:

2008-12-25 21:15:25
26.   Gen3Blue
Yes, that is urgent. No---No--please.
2008-12-25 21:31:38
27.   kinbote
No offense to anyone or anything, but discussions of whether or not to re-sign Manny do not need to include consideration of Lambo.
2008-12-25 21:32:48
28.   trainwreck
Wow, talk about your ads having bad timing. Not much in the holiday spirit.

Anyways, Merry Christmas to all!

And BoB, I am a C. Open gifts with mom and grandma on Eve and then on Christmas Day open gifts with my mom's huge extended family.

2008-12-25 21:33:00
29.   Who Is Karim Garcia
The "This is Sportscenter" special on ESPN tonight was simply awesome. It was a complete walk down memory lane and I'd been hoping they'd do a show like this for a while.

My Top 5 ESPN commercials...


2. Jose Reyes teaching Van Pelt and Ravech how to dance

3. Ravech, Kenny Mayne and Gheorge Muresan dancing for no reason.

4. "Cherokee, I HAVE a watch"

5. ESPN draft a kid out of High School - "Jimmy Key? what's he? 45?"

2008-12-25 21:51:47
30.   CanuckDodger
27 -- True, as long as we are talking about a deal that is less than four years, and I think everyone agrees there is no chance the Dodgers offer more than three years, if even that.
2008-12-25 22:25:19
31.   bhsportsguy
Do we have another Ken Rosenthal here?

2008-12-25 22:54:28
32.   Ken Arneson
28 Well, that was distasteful. For now, I have removed all ads from the site.
2008-12-25 23:15:38
33.   LoneStar7
29 the steve irwin one was one of my all time favorites....RIP
2008-12-25 23:44:12
34.   bhsportsguy
Would you take Green Bay to beat Detroit this Sunday to win $300K?

2008-12-26 00:25:22
35.   bhsportsguy
Bob, I hope you are not on the sunny side of the Rose Bowl on January 1st.

Projected temp - 75 and sunny.

2008-12-26 00:31:26
36.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not going to the Rose Bowl game after all. The seats offered were the opposite of good seats. They were really bad seats, in the end zone and very low.
2008-12-26 06:34:37
37.   scareduck
29 - I had not seen #1. That made my day.
2008-12-26 07:43:37
38.   Ken Noe
29 Still my favorite:

2008-12-26 08:32:53
39.   Bob Timmermann
As I will head out to work soon, I will get to see my Prius light up it's "cold weather indicator light."

It goes on when the temperature is 37 or lower. It is designed to tell the driver that it is cold outside.

I am not sure that this is something I need an indicator light for.

2008-12-26 09:20:43
40.   D4P
According to FanGraphs, Andruw Jones was worth negative $1.6 million last season.
2008-12-26 09:35:03
41.   ToyCannon
"Follow me to freedom" is my favorite Steiner line ever.
2008-12-26 09:43:17
42.   Daniel Zappala
39 What we really need is an indicator that tells when there is black ice ahead.
2008-12-26 10:00:33
43.   Ken Noe
40 One of my gifts yesterday was an Andruw Jones figure. My wife manipulated the arms so that he's clearly striking out.

41 Mine too.

2008-12-26 10:10:10
44.   Jacob Burch
Received a handmade scarf from the lady in Colts/Dodgers blue and white. She has received the 'keeper' label for probably the 12th time.

Working on today just seems weird. Bike has not come in, but I'm hoping I get a call today so I can bask in its glory.

2008-12-26 10:21:39
45.   DaDoughboy
That is a great gift.

Mine got me the Cesar Izturis, Paul Lo Duca, and Tommy Lasorda bobbleheads (I'm trying to complete my set..and have a looong way to go). I have to say, the Izturis bobblehead looks terrible..but I love it.

2008-12-26 11:50:21
46.   MC Safety
Gotta love injury time equalizers. There's not a worse feeling in all of sport.

Arsenal fans have got to be gutted after today's debacle.

2008-12-26 11:51:26
47.   natepurcell
Anyone know when the new Zoom Kobe IV's come out? I really want to splurge and get a pair.
2008-12-26 11:56:42
48.   Andrew Shimmin
I think I'd be surprised by this headline even if it were the Sun. But the Times of London? Or is there some obscure, Limey sense of the word that I don't know about? Happy Boxing Day.

2008-12-26 11:59:03
49.   Andrew Shimmin
"[T]hey are slated to release on January 17, 2008 while a white version will drop later."

2008-12-26 12:01:38
50.   natepurcell

Well I can't wait that long.

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2008-12-26 12:02:37
51.   D4P
I once bought a pair of Magic Johnson shoes (Converse or Reebok?).

They sucked.

2008-12-26 12:09:14
52.   Marty
I spend big money on MBT shoes now because of back problems.
2008-12-26 12:14:14
53.   DaDoughboy
They were Converse..and yes, they did suck.
2008-12-26 12:34:37
54.   scareduck
51 - I have a very simple though incomplete test for whether athletic shoes suck.

All Nikes suck.

It amazes me, frankly, how any company can make a product that does NOT come in proper sizes (in two dimensions, width and length) that can have the outsized reputation they do and yet produce something so thoroughly, demonstrably awful compared to their competition. New Balance and Mizuno both make far superior shoes and yet there are probably three times the number of Nike shoes on the shelf at any given store selling athletic shoes, and something like five times the number of Mizuno shoes.

2008-12-26 12:36:00
55.   scareduck
39 - just a guess, but my suspicion is that means the car won't do certain things on battery power.
2008-12-26 12:42:54
56.   D4P
Andruw's negative $1.6 million pales in comparison to Neifi!'s negative $9 million in 2002, though, to be fair, Andruw only played part of the season. Had he been healthy, he'd likely have been worth less (not to mention worthless).
2008-12-26 12:49:35
57.   kinbote
I wonder if we'll ever see another duo like Andruw & Sweeney last year . . .
2008-12-26 12:50:40
58.   Mind Revolution

So does that mean we should have paid Jones $1.6 million to NOT be on our team last year?

2008-12-26 12:54:22
59.   D4P
I think so, to the extent that FanGraphs's Value stat accurately measures a player's value.
2008-12-26 13:07:39
60.   kinbote
When Arizona released Russ Ortiz in the middle of the 2006 season, they still owed him $22 million. At the time, that amount of sunk money was believed to be a record.

Currently, the Dodgers owe Andruw Jones $22.1 million.

2008-12-26 13:27:01
61.   silverwidow
Does anyone know when Sickels will release the Dodger Top 20 list? There's a thread over at right now discussing the prospects.
2008-12-26 13:31:15
62.   kinbote
61 He's doing Yankees next then the Dodgers. We'll probably see it by Sunday.
2008-12-26 13:33:42
63.   Dave60
55 I believe the light has nothing to do with car function, but solely indicates potential road conditions. This first time it lit up for me, I began my drive in a 50 degree temperature and headed up into the Sierra where the temperature dropped as low as 4 degrees. I appreciated the light warning me when to start being aware that road moisture might be more slick than expected. Of course, if I was smart, I could have just checked the air temperature reading, but a little extra help is often appreciated.
2008-12-26 14:00:21
64.   berkowit28
61 Like he says there - after he releases the Yankees list. Recently it's been at the rate of almost a team per day, but it's hardly unusual that Christmas might hold things up a day or two. I'd expect the Yankees tomorrow, and the Dodgers a day or two after that.
2008-12-26 15:19:37
65.   trainwreck
Olney seems to think Penny will sign with Red Sox soon.
2008-12-26 15:21:04
66.   Gagne55
57 Daryl Ward and Jason Romano
2008-12-26 15:38:50
67.   trainwreck
Jeanne Zelasko as the new play-by-play announcer?


2008-12-26 15:44:10
68.   sporky
25 , 67


2008-12-26 15:57:57
69.   silverwidow
Sickels' Yankees list just came out.
2008-12-26 16:07:10
70.   Big Game
Shoes, much like comedy, are subjective.
2008-12-26 16:28:04
71.   ToyCannon
Whatever happens with Jeanne I'm impressed how she turned a minor part in a San Diego sports talk into the Baseball Hub Person for Fox.

She is a little to impressed with Mr. Kennedy and his stories but nothing wrong with being blind to a friends shortcomings.

2008-12-26 16:31:00
72.   Bob Timmermann
The people at BTF react to Jeanne Zelasko in a manner that is embarrassing even by BTF standards.
2008-12-26 16:54:54
73.   D4P
Friday night: Motor City Bowl and a Swanson's...?
2008-12-26 16:55:52
74.   Bob Timmermann
Neither. I don't like Swanson's anyway.
2008-12-26 17:11:49
75.   D4P

I'm intrigued...

2008-12-26 17:40:43
76.   KG16
71 - I tend to note a tinge of sarcasm when Jeanne turns to Kennedy about his days as a manager, not quite as blatant as it is around here, but still, it's there.

Or I'm just projecting.

2008-12-26 17:57:45
77.   Bumsrap
39, 55 My GM car has temperature and direction indicators on the rear view mirror and lately I have learned that it shows ice instead of the temperature, and sometimes beeps and flashes ice when it thinks I am on ice. Love to know how it knows that as it has nothing to do with temperature. I can drive when the temp shows 4 and it is wet outside and still it knows there is no ice.
2008-12-26 17:59:36
78.   Bumsrap
77 I can't seem to type well when sitting sideways to my keyboard but I am comfortable and refuse to move.
2008-12-26 18:05:24
79.   Sam DC
OMG if you have DC Comcast put it on to see the replay of the goal Ovechkin just scored.

Breakaway, slides the puck through the defender's wickets than picks it back up to shoot as he's collapsing . .

2008-12-26 18:09:54
80.   brookster1967
The Giants have signed the Big Unit to a one year deal. I am disappointed we missed out, especially for only a one year deal. No report on the terms.

2008-12-26 18:15:45
81.   trainwreck

Could have been a Dodger or an Athletic. Both would have probably been better options.

2008-12-26 18:34:08
82.   Ken Noe
And so once again, Unit decides that he doesn't want to be a Dodger. Something tells me that Andy Pettitte is around the corner.
2008-12-26 18:46:07
83.   Bumsrap
I heard on XM 175 Radio that Dunn and Baltimore are dancing with each other.

Now that the Giants have the Unit, will they trade Cain for Fielder?

2008-12-26 18:47:14
84.   Marty
I'm sitting in a bar at the Riviera in Vegas. You can drink for "free" if you play video poker, so I put $10 in. Hit 4 aces and won $200. Not a bad start.
2008-12-26 18:47:34
85.   Gen3Blue
55 Ah-- I think you have a mind attuned to marketing, which makes an SUV or watching prime time TV a good thing somehow.
2008-12-26 18:53:52
86.   Gen3Blue
84 Wish I was there. If it wasn't your first five minutes I would say--"walk away"!
2008-12-26 19:25:40
87.   natepurcell

Would have been swell for one year...

There is no doubt in my mind that Colletti is going to sign a veteran SP and RJ was the one I preferred the most.

2008-12-26 19:39:18
88.   dzzrtRatt
RJ is 45. Last season was probably a wonderful coda to a career that's over. I don't think he'll make a major contribution to the Giants' glorious history.

Let's get Pettitte.

2008-12-26 19:40:59
89.   D4P's Chris Haft heard from a baseball source that the deal guarantees the Big Unit $8MM in 2009 and includes performance bonuses that could reach $2.5MM and award bonuses that could reach another $2.5MM.

Too rich for Dodger blood these days, I guess.

2008-12-26 20:00:03
90.   Rolex
Pettitte sucks, Wolf for 3/25M sounds about right, get r done Flanders!
2008-12-26 20:23:45
91.   Gen3Blue
90 Come'on. How about 1 for 9mil. Or use journeymen and farm guys.
2008-12-26 21:02:03
92.   das411
Is anybody else still trying to figure out who Tom Meagher meant by "Davis" when he was talking about young 1Bmen and Teixiera in the last thread?

and is it weird that the Big Unit will start next season in his sixth different uniform?

2008-12-26 21:08:59
93.   Sam DC
So, people take a lot of different meetings in my office, and they are all put on a central calendar that only one person can edit. And a lot of times people schedule meetings for other people to bring them in on issues or to fob off annoying people or whatever.

I will be out the beginning of next week. But before I left today I managed to get the gatekeeper to put a meeting for my friend/boss on for Tuesday -- he's scheduled to meet at 2:00 pm in his office with Brianna Banks.

Now, he's not likely to know who that is (I wouldn't either but for this place!), and the system won't show who put the meeting on, and the gatekeeper is also out next week, so I'm guessing he'll need to ask around the office quite a bit as he tries to figure out who's coming in to meet and what he needs to do to get prepped.

2008-12-26 21:55:45
94.   kinbote
92 Chris Davis. Monster Rangers' prospect who hit 17 dingers in half a season. Some have projected him to hit 35 this year [duh].

2008-12-26 22:06:30
95.   MSarg29
93 Nice move
2008-12-26 22:09:00
96.   eusmus
Nice to see the Celtics unable to break 90 against the vaunted Warriors D.
2008-12-26 22:15:07
97.   Tripon
Its going to be odd to see somebody going into the hall of fame as a D'Back.
2008-12-26 22:48:33
98.   Brendan

I recall that Dodger Thoughts After Dark thread. Is she going to discuss asparagus and its effects on her industry?

You have to give us an update after the meeting if you can.

2008-12-27 00:46:15
99.   LoneStar7
I'd be astounded if you all haven't already heard of him, butting stances guy is incredible. He impersonates past and present stances from every major lead team. He was featured on Dodgers Live as well.

some of my favorites
red sox

2008-12-27 00:46:28
100.   LoneStar7
sorry for no tiny urls
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2008-12-27 01:39:12
101.   whodat807
99 That's FANTASTIC.

I loved the Chan Ho Park impression -- I remember watching that dropkick live, my jaw dropping as I watched the player that brought me the most frustration and joy (but mostly frustration) make an absolute fool out of himself.

As a Korean-American who roots shamelessly for Korean ballplayers, I have often wondered why Chan Ho didn't just punch the guy. Instead he threw a spectacularly unsuccessful kick, which led my friends (who knew my love for Korean ball players and especially of Chan Ho) to heap much mockery upon me.

Tough call on which was a lower moment - Tatis' two slams, or that ill-advised martial arts attempt.

2008-12-27 07:10:20
102.   das411
94 , very cool, thanks. I guess he'll be a big part of the Rangers' stealth 85 win division champion next season?
2008-12-27 07:14:41
103.   Ken Noe
Unit's agent: "Randy wanted to stay in the West, train in Arizona, play at home and against the Diamondbacks. We thought it was a good idea." So he won't pitch on the road other than in the desert?

2008-12-27 07:44:39
104.   Bob Timmermann
Jeanne Zelasko will take care of Randy Johnson's other road starts.
2008-12-27 07:47:02
105.   Bob Hendley
Down on the Oaxaca coast watching the pelicans catching the updraft off the waves, wishing that we hadn't missed out on Rat Face. All the best to the DTistas.
2008-12-27 07:51:52
106.   Bob Timmermann
The island of Oahu lost power last night. The whole island. Some people were unable to fly back to the Mainland.

It's one thing to be stuck in Hawai'i, but being stuck in the airport no matter where you are is no fun.

2008-12-27 08:00:17
107.   Bob Hendley
I actually have fond memories of the airport in Honolulu, flying in on Air Micronesia at around midnight and waiting around for six hours to catch another flight to the mainland. But probably not very charming full of anxious travelers and crying children, not to speak of long lines to the bathrooms.
2008-12-27 09:31:16
108.   Gen3Blue
True Blue LA got me thinking about the Andruw situation again and it is so disturbing. The lack of batting eye just doesn't feel like a PED issue. Is it possible a combination of being a few years older than listed and genetically early aging really has him over the hill? He did look awfully mature as a 19 year old.
2008-12-27 09:49:03
109.   Johnson
103 By "home" they may just be referring to the fact that he grew up about 30 miles from S.F., but it's sure not clear the way it was written.
2008-12-27 09:49:12
110.   D4P
Taveras signs with the Reds.

I have to think that the Dodgers haven't put much effort (if any) into looking for Pierre suitors.

2008-12-27 10:00:09
111.   D4P
Willy Taveras slugged .296 last season. In Colorado.
2008-12-27 10:07:11
112.   kngoworld
Willy has deep infield/shallow outfield power. The Colorado air pushed his fly balls too deep and right at the outfielders. In Cincy Taveras should be able to get plenty of bloop singles.
2008-12-27 10:08:08
113.   D4P
Taveras's home SLG split in 2008 was .283
2008-12-27 10:10:26
114.   D4P
I bet there are plenty of folks in Reds's Management who think Taveras is an upgrade over Dunn.
2008-12-27 10:27:27
115.   jasonungar07
And just think, Taveras makes about 6 and a half million dollars less per season than Pierre. No one, including us wants Pierre at his price. So if were gonna have to pay him, may as well keep him for now as much as I can't stand everything about him.
2008-12-27 11:00:46
116.   Daniel Zappala
Speaking of Jones, is there any precedence for a player of his caliber suddenly falling of a cliff? And when that happens, is there any evidence to suggest a player can come back and regain his previous form?
2008-12-27 11:00:47
117.   Daniel Zappala
Speaking of Jones, is there any precedence for a player of his caliber suddenly falling of a cliff? And when that happens, is there any evidence to suggest a player can come back and regain his previous form?
2008-12-27 11:02:18
118.   Bob Timmermann
The closest comparable case to Andruw Jones that people have talked about is Zoilo Versalles.

And even Versalles didn't drop as precipitously. It's also magnified because of Jones' salary.

2008-12-27 11:03:01
119.   Daniel Zappala
One of my best presents: my brother got me a Manny Ramirez Dodger t-shirt.
2008-12-27 11:04:30
120.   Daniel Zappala
118 Wow, and he never returned to form. Is he really the only comparable?
2008-12-27 11:08:00
121.   Bob Timmermann
Back in the "good old days", if a player had a season like Andruw Jones', he would have a one-year contract and just been released and not invited back.
2008-12-27 11:09:42
122.   I Love LA
There are various reports/rumors that the Lakers and Bucks are trying to workout a Chris Mihm for Tyrone Lue trade. A 3rd team such as the Rockets may be involved.
2008-12-27 11:13:59
123.   D4P
Is Lue any good on defense? His 6'0" height isn't exactly enticing...
2008-12-27 11:28:13
124.   I Love LA
123 - Not really but he is quick, something the Lakers really lack at PG and depending on who you are, some people still believes that Lue is an AI stopper (2001 finals Game 1). But those same people also forget AI got the last laugh in OT with that killer crossover and stepping over him. But that is besides the point, with Farmar out Fisher is their lone PG.
2008-12-27 11:29:45
125.   D4P
with Farmar out Fisher is their lone PG

Yeah, they clearly need some help. I have to think there's some defensive-oriented PG out there who's not getting much PT and who might be available.

2008-12-27 11:32:21
126.   I Love LA
D4P, I think Earl Watson would be excellent for the Lakers but I highly doubt he is available and probably would cost more than just a Chris Mihm. I think the Lakers are looking at Lue as a gap stop/bandage solution until Farmar comes back healthy in March or April.
2008-12-27 11:38:32
127.   KG16
now is as good a time as any to try the Odom-as-point-guard thing they were talking about in the preseason. and i don't just say this because i have Odom on my fantasy team. Word was also that the Bobcats were shopping Felton, I don't know how good he'd be in the triangle, but he's a pure point guard. As for getting Watson, we could always throw in Radmonovich
2008-12-27 11:41:12
128.   I Love LA
KG16, the problem is that not many teams in the league are thrilled about Radmanovic's contract or Luke Walton for that matter. LA would love to rid either guy as they need to resign Ariza in the offseason. You know how the Dodgers are kind of screwed with the Schdmit, Pierre and Jones signing? Well the Lakers are somewhat similar with Radmanovic and Walton, the reason why they couldn't resign Ronny as they are well above luxury tax.
2008-12-27 11:42:10
129.   D4P
Why did Phil Jackson start playing Walton so much and stop playing Radmonovich? Not that I have a problem with it, but what motivated the change?
2008-12-27 11:44:11
130.   KG16
I actually like Walton, and I'm really surprised he hasn't gotten more of an opportunity, but if he continues to start, I think he'll end up leading the team in assists. Radman was a terrible pick up, no doubt about that. But Ronny leaving wasn't really that bad a situation, with Bynum, Gasol, Ariza, and Odom, there just wasn't going to be a lot of minutes for him.
2008-12-27 11:47:08
131.   D4P
I've always liked Walton, but I didn't get the impression that Radman had done anything to lose his starting job. The guy was shooting 46% from downtown.
2008-12-27 11:47:40
132.   I Love LA
130 - Very very true, I totally agree. But I do like Trevor Ariza a lot and the Lakers payroll will be at around 75-78 million for next year so I don't know if Jerry Buss is willing to go even deeper into Luxury to resign Ariza. Also Odom is another pending FA, don't forget Kobe can opt out this summer and if he does Kobe can sign a 5 year $135 Million contract. Lakers have plenty of decision to make this offseason. I don't see Kobe, Ariza and Odom all coming back unless Jerry Buss really don't mind dishing out close to a $85-$90 mil payroll.
2008-12-27 11:54:23
133.   KG16
132 - Odom is the odd man out. If Kobe opts out, it will be to restructure his deal to give the Lakers some more flexibility with the cap.

131 - I think it was more that the offense, generally, wasn't running the way Phil wanted it to and Walton is sort of that pass first point forward type that works well in the triangle (a la Pippen) -

2008-12-27 12:11:19
134.   ToyCannon
10 Million watched the Christmas game. Quite a coup for ABC. I'm sure the networks are rooting for another Laker/Celtic finals.

Odom can't play the point. He is a good ball handler for a forward, he is not good enough to handle the rock when pressured by small point guards. He can't do anything with his right hand.

2008-12-27 12:17:10
135.   Samhain
118 120 I'm sure it's not ALS; but Andruw's incredible decline from even the drop-off of 2007, reminded me eerily of what Joe Dimaggio described (in his ghosted YA autobiography "Lucky To Be A Yankee") about what it was like watching Lou Gehrig as the ALS devastated his talent.

(Gehrig's penultimate season was not up to Lou's career standards. Dimaggio said that in retrospect the disease must have been first starting to affect Lou the season before Gehrig had to retire.)

While, as I said, I'm sure it's not ALS: I do wonder about some sort of neurological-wasting involvement...

2008-12-27 12:22:02
136.   Disabled List
124 Tyronn Lue's defensive credentials better consist of something other than him being an "AI-stopper" in Game 1 of the 2001 Finals. Iverson scored 48 points in that game, the Lakers' only loss of that postseason.
2008-12-27 12:31:39
137.   I Love LA
Disabled List - Thats what I am saying, aside from his quicknes he is most known for supposedly slowing down AI, a lot of people still talk about Lue as a "AI stopper" in the finals til this day. I guess to Lue's defense, AI did majority of his damage vs Fisher and Shaw. Lue wasn't inserted until the 4th quarter and that was when AI stopped the torching temporarily as LA fought back to get into OT. But in OT AI continued his onslaught even with Lue guarding him.
2008-12-27 13:25:49
138.   Gen3Blue
135 That's a ghastly possibility.
2008-12-27 15:05:03
139.   jasonungar07
Anyone who owns a PS3, which sports game is the best. I like all sports games only, not the action/shooting games, those bore me. I unexpectedly got a ps3 for x-mas...

I am thinking holding off on baseball until the new season starts so I don't have to sub Kemp or Ethier in for Pierre everytime! (I rented it last night, baseball is pretty freaking cool and I am kidding I know i can set my own team, draft my own team etc, which is why baseball is always my favorite of the sports game.)

I'm thinking Soccer..

2008-12-27 15:09:40
140.   KG16
139 - I got a ps3 for christmas as well as madden, i also picked up ncaa football. both are pretty cool, and there is the added fun of being able to transfer graduating classes from college to madden. i've also heard good things about basketball. i thought of going with soccer or rugby, but best buy was devastated by the time i got there yesterday.
2008-12-27 15:14:11
141.   KG16
Why is the Emerald Bowl being played in a baseball stadium when there is a football stadium two miles away that is perfectly suited for such an event?
2008-12-27 15:32:10
142.   Bob Timmermann
Because it's a lot easier to sell people on going to Phone Company Park than Candlestick.

It's not like the Emerald Bowl needs a huge facility.

2008-12-27 15:41:56
143.   I Love LA
Marc Stein from ESPN just reported that the Lakers may be looking to trade Luke Walton, but did say that trading Walton will be very difficult with his 3 years and nearly $22 mil remaining on his contract. Luke Walton is almost like Juan Pierre to the Dodgers. Also reports continue to persist about the Lue for Mihm deal, it looks like the Bucks are pondering trading Lue to the Lakers or Thunder.
2008-12-27 15:44:02
144.   D4P
Funny. When the Lakers re-signed Walton, I remember thinking that his contract was a really good bargain for the team.

Is his contract really that bad for another team to take on?

2008-12-27 15:45:58
145.   natepurcell

Luke isn't a very good player.

2008-12-27 15:48:24
146.   D4P
Luke isn't a very good player

He's not great, but he's one of those guys who does a pretty good job of filling in each column of the box score.

I don't know anything about his defensive ability.

2008-12-27 16:23:17
147.   delias man
Fifa 09 is great. Have been playing FIFA for 10 years now. Have it on ps3.
2008-12-27 16:30:33
148.   Flonne

Going by a number of advanced metrics, Luke Walton could be classified as the worst player on the team.

2008-12-27 16:49:50
149.   I Love LA
Arguing for Luke is very similar to arguing for Juan Pierre. On one hand you can argue that Luke has good basketball instinct, a very good fit for Phil Jackson's triangle offense because he knows where to be and where to put the ball just as you can argue that Juan Pierre bats almost .300, a very speedy guy and can steal bases whenever he gets on. On the other hand you can argue that Luke has no NBA athleticism, not a good shooter and very suspect defense just as you can say Juan Pierre can't hit anything but grounders, OBP is horrible, his arm is terrible.
2008-12-27 17:25:21
150.   PDH5204
106 Yes, and how pathetic. We live on an island, in the middle of the ocean. Clouds tend to fly low over the ocean and they tend to settle over the mountains on the island(s). So, where do we build the power lines? On the mountaintops and ridge-lines, just where the clouds are and just where the lightning is during the electrical storm.

And for the proof that it isn't always aloha here, if you have a criticism of HECO you can go back where you came from. As I've told people here repeatedly, the only difference between here and Mississippi is that some here have the tan and/or the darker skin that prevents some of the rest from seeing that red neck.

My guess is that HECO doesn't even really know how its system works. Kind of like most of us and our computer software. Fine, we can read and understand the manual that came with it, but it doesn't really mean that we understand how it works. For me, the power went off, came on, went off, came on, and then finally went off. Wilhelmina Rise stayed on for a while, but then it too went it off. That doesn't seem like a mechanical failure, when some are still on but then go off. It seems like some don't know how to keep those who didn't get knocked out on-line while the rest of us get powered back up. It would otherwise help if both the brain-dead and the red necks learned why "redundancy" is an imperative when it comes to the matter of the essential service.

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2008-12-27 17:26:22
151.   D4P
I would argue that Walton's assists are more valuable than Pierre's stolen bases, but probably don't make up for his other shortcomings.

I figured he'd be on the block, so it would be surprising to see him go. I guess Phil's been "showcasing" him lately.

2008-12-27 17:29:17
152.   D4P
So it wouldn't be surprising to see him go
2008-12-27 17:50:37
153.   JoeyP
I never thought Luke Walton was any good to begin with.

He has no athleticism, cant get his own shot, and cant play defense.

He's been kept around due to some mythical intangible of being a "heady" "smart" player---basically the standard white guy/no skills/no ability but tries real hard type.

2008-12-27 17:56:52
154.   Jacob Burch
I'm in love with my bicycle.

That is all.

2008-12-27 18:04:55
155.   Tripon

Andruw Jones on his 2008 season.

2008-12-27 18:29:02
156.   Gen3Blue
Just weird. Jones seem as baffled as anyone about what is going on. It is strange. As Bob found, the only drop-off remotely similar is Zoilo Versalles, and he was a different type of player(SS) who lost his offense at about 25 or 26, after an MVP type season. What the heck is happening?
2008-12-27 18:34:02
157.   KG16
wasn't Luke Walton the college player of the year one year at Arizona? Also, in 06-07, the only year he's got significant minutes in the NBA (33 per game) he put up a line of 11 pts, 5 rbs, 4 asts, 47% fg, 39% from 3, against 2 turnovers. Like anyone else in the league, he needs minutes.
2008-12-27 18:35:28
158.   KG16
it sounds weird to hear that the head football coach at the University of Miami wants to be known as a disciplinarian.
2008-12-27 18:38:05
159.   jasonungar07
Jones is just making excuses. He got his 500-600 AB's in 07 and hit .220 with a .311 OBP with no knee problems, no trying to hard, no new team etc.
2008-12-27 18:39:07
160.   Bob Timmermann
Luke Walton was at Arizona for five years. I'm not sure which year he redshirted, but the Pac-10 Players of the Year during Walton's time at Arizona were:
Jason Terry
Eddie House
Sean Lampley
Sam Clancy
Luke Ridnouer
2008-12-27 18:41:06
161.   D4P
Luke Ridnouer

There's no e in Ridnour

2008-12-27 18:45:31
162.   KG16
160 - I think he red shirted in his 4th year due to injury, but I could be wrong. i just remember him and richard jefferson being a great combo for the wildcats.
2008-12-27 19:01:01
163.   bhsportsguy
160 According to, Walton red-shirted his first year, 98-99.
2008-12-27 19:03:23
164.   I Love LA
well one can also argue when Smush Parker was the starting PG in LA, he avg about 11.5ppg. Just imagine all the diss that Kobe Bryant get when he is compared to MJ. Not trying to argue that Kobe is better or equal to MJ, but to be fair MJ never had to play alongside a starting lineup of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton and guys like Chris Mihm off the bench. Come to think of it, it was incredible that Kobe and Phil Jackson took that team into the playoffs and came within 1 game of eliminating the Suns.
2008-12-27 20:24:34
165.   Bob Timmermann
Cal fans apparently are not as excitable as Arizona fans.
2008-12-27 20:25:50
166.   D4P
Cal fans

That makes me realize that vishal hasn't been around in a long time. Guess he's busy planning airports.

2008-12-27 20:49:43
167.   kinbote
As OT as it gets, but the new Malcolm Gladwell book, Outliers, is phenomenal and every bit as good as Blink or The Tipping Point. It's hypothesis, which I believe he proves, has already altered my thinking on careers, raising kids, and education. It even made me think of the Dodgers' youngsters. They just need time to practice . . .
2008-12-27 22:44:16
168.   Tripon
Huh, FOX isn't showing the Packers-Lions game out of Wisconsin, and Mich.
2008-12-27 23:09:26
169.   underdog
Jim Alexander quotes Dodger Thoughts (and DT commenter Trolley Dodger) in latest posting on the PE site:

2008-12-27 23:11:44
170.   silverwidow
I was glancing at the 2009 schedule, and, oddly, there are days off on consecutive Tuesdays in April (the road and home openers). Weird stuff.
2008-12-27 23:12:43
171.   silverwidow
170 Meant to say AFTER the road and home openers.
2008-12-27 23:19:35
172.   GoBears
Go Bears!

Oh, and the Walton-Pierre comparison is nonsense. I've said this many times before (and I didn't discover the idea). Baseball is all about individual performances. An individual player's contribution is precisely the same as his production (though we can argue how best to measure production).

In basketball and football and soccer and most other team sports, there is actual teamwork - joint production. The Oop can't happen without the Alley. Passing matters. Setting picks matters. Blocking out, switching on defense, etc. etc. None of these things show up in the box score (well, OK, assists do, but not passes that lead to assists). These things are not intangible, but they are not measured (by the media anyway - I'm sure coaches measure them).

The case for Walton is that he is very smart and does all of those "little things" well. That the team functions better with him on the floor. I tend to think this is true, even while admitting that I don't want him taking the key shot at the end of the game, or trying to create his own shot.

It is impossible to make a similar case for Pierre because there are no such contributory acts in baseball that aren't already measured as personal production. So in baseball, to make excuses for guys who don't produce, we talk about their clubhouse presence, without any clue as to how that might make a team perform better. In basketball, the idea that a guy can contribute without scoring or being a superb athlete is not that hard to accept.

All that said, one could argue that Walton is overrated in those areas - that it wouldn't be hard to find a player who did all those things as well as he AND could run, jump, and shoot better. I say that as a Laker fan, I like having him on the team. I think he makes the team better.

And again, Go Bears!

2008-12-27 23:33:25
173.   Bob Timmermann
Most teams like to have a day off in between their home opener and the next game because it gives them the chance to move the opener back a day if it rains.

Usually the Dodgers and Padres don't bother with this, but I guess they wanted to in 2009.

2008-12-28 01:24:34
174.   68elcamino427
Pat the Bat or Manny?

Gas or Rocket Fuel?

2008-12-28 04:17:18
175.   DBrim
174 - What's the price of oil?
2008-12-28 04:44:18
176.   old dodger fan
175 -Down
2008-12-28 06:18:02
177.   Bumsrap
Except for when Walton refuses to take a shot when he has good opportunities, I really enjoy watching Walton play. I think he makes the Lakers a better "team"

Some players somehow decide they are going to shoot when they get the ball as if it is their turn. They ignore the offense when they predetermine it is their turn. Luke never does this, in fact, he does the opposite. He predetermines that he will pass the ball and therefore doesn't take the team's best shot for that possession.

2008-12-28 06:27:14
178.   Bumsrap
174 - The last thing the Dodgers need is Pat the bat. As far as I am concerned, signing Blake eliminated the need for Pat the Bat.


2008-12-28 07:10:39
179.   Ken Noe
178 Hu and Abreu won't be considered, and Jones still can't hit in winter ball. It's JP or a free agent in left unless/until DeJesus forces Furcal or Blake to the outfield.
2008-12-28 07:41:36
180.   Bob Hendley
Speaking of Jones and winter ball, looks like Rafi has begun playing as well for the Aguilas. At SS no less, unlike 2nd base which he played last year.
2008-12-28 08:33:54
181.   silverwidow
179 At least Torre isn't afraid to bat JP 8th.

I'm not a fan of the Furcal-Pierre pairing at all; it needs to be Martin or Ethier 2nd.

2008-12-28 09:13:20
182.   underdog
Raygu, a blogger, not a pasta sauce, posted a recap of an XM Radio show on baseball off-season, which included this:

>>Finally, he interviewed LA Dodgers assistant GM Logan White. When asked about what other moves the Dodgers would make this offseason (ie will they sign Manny, and who will replace Saito?), White skirted around the Manny talks, but did say that LA was sticking with the youth movement, and we may see a few surprises this year.<<

2008-12-28 10:12:31
183.   KG16
realistically speaking, what are the odds of designating Pierre and/or Jones for assignment? The Dodgers would be on the hook for their full salaries, right? But if you've got to pay them, why not pay them to go away?
2008-12-28 10:20:36
184.   berkowit28
183 If Jones stays as bad as he is now, that could well happen later in the season when they need to bring someone onto the 40-man roster and there's no one else they can spare. Pierre will probably always be more valuable both off the bench and as a possible trading piece with 2+ years to go on his contract for the same thing to happen with him.
2008-12-28 10:23:32
185.   Tripon
184 They're just as likely to DL a player for 60 days to free up a 40 man spot.
2008-12-28 10:53:32
186.   berkowit28
185 That might be getting old by that point.
2008-12-28 11:03:28
187.   Tripon
186 Only as old until MLB tells them to stop.
2008-12-28 11:12:08
188.   D4P
"Some general managers have said privately, a great concern they have about Ramirez is that if you give him a deal of two or more years that is worth far less than he thinks he deserves, you run the risk of having a very unhappy Manny. As the Red Sox can attest, that didn't work out so well in the end."

GMs seem to be getting smart all of a sudden, realizing that signing Manny is likely to be a lose-lose proposition.

Sign him to a long-term deal, and he'll eventually get old/hurt and it won't be worth it.

Sign him to a short-term deal, and he'll likely throw tantrums and not give 100% and it won't be worth it.

2008-12-28 11:13:45
189.   D4P
PS: You gotta love the fact that Manny burned the most lucrative bridge available to him at this point. It's nice to see players actually pay for their bad behavior.
2008-12-28 11:34:41
190.   regfairfield
Then the smart GM signs Manny for way less than he's worth and gets an OPS+ in the mid 130s from an unhappy Manny.
2008-12-28 11:37:04
191.   D4P
But the smart GM might get the "Ouch, one of my knees hurts (but I can't remember which one)" Manny instead.
2008-12-28 11:37:42
192.   regfairfield
The one that put up a 1.000 OPS?
2008-12-28 11:41:44
193.   berkowit28
Dodgers Prospects now up at Sickel's
2008-12-28 11:53:51
194.   silverwidow
193 Sickels vastly underrates Nathan Eovaldi (very high ceiling, potentially dominant stuff), but an overall solid list.
2008-12-28 11:54:06
195.   Tripon
191 The smart GM would just then order an MRI, and put Manny on the restrictive list.
2008-12-28 11:56:52
196.   Tripon
194 Sickle notes the upside Eovaldi has, but the risk of pitchers of little pro experience. He seems to be ranking them on partly of their potential to reach the major leagues, not just on their talent.
2008-12-28 11:57:57
197.   immouch
first, just saw the top 20 prospects over at john sickels' and, as always, found it interesting. what is known about this eavoli guy, the guy who is supposedly a possible steal of the '08 draft. (and, yeah, i know i'm butchering the name, but if i switch over to get the right spelling, i'll pop out of this thread...sigh.)
second... my playoff hopes are alive and i don't need a win today.
2008-12-28 11:59:13
198.   silverwidow
196 Fair point, but the gap isn't huge between Martin and Eovaldi, IMO, and the latter has more pro experience.
2008-12-28 11:59:41
199.   Tripon
197 Texan, as a starter, can throw 95-96, as a reliever can throw over 100. Compared a lot to Broxton from what I remember. Also, Broxton and Kershaw helped convince him to skip going to Rice, and sign with the Dodgers.
2008-12-28 12:02:06
200.   silverwidow
199 I believe Logan White's scouting report was projecting that type of velocity in the future.
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2008-12-28 12:02:54
201.   Tripon
The Packers-Lions are tied 14-14 in the 3rd. The dream of 0-16 is fading away.
2008-12-28 12:03:34
202.   Jon Weisman
2008-12-28 12:03:45
203.   Tripon
200 Ah. That makes more sense. Being able to throw 100 at 18 should have gotten him much more publicity.
2008-12-28 12:05:53
204.   Mind Revolution
The numbers an unhappy Manny put up are still numbers we need in our lineup. It's not the end of the world if he misses a handful of games with some fake injury. Probably a good thing to give him some rest. Lets not forget the Red Sox made the playoffs despite having an unhappy Manny around for 4 months. People are acting like he wrecked their season. I'm sure his money concerns would be eased by being the center of attention in Hollywood, and he clearly likes that attention.

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