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Catching Up With a No. 1
2009-01-13 13:33
by Jon Weisman

Chris Withrow, the Dodgers' top draft pick in 2007, is on the comeback trail, writes Jonathan Mayo at

The No. 20 overall pick in that Draft, he was the prototypical projectable right-hander coming out of a Texas high school with an incredibly high ceiling. He made a brief debut in the Gulf Coast League back in 2007 and was poised to really get going on his pro career in 2008.

That's when things started going wrong for Withrow. He was spring was delayed because of a bizarre injury -- a cut suffered while handling a snorkeling mask. When he was about ready to return, he was sidelined with a sore elbow that kept him out until August. Obviously, the Dodgers weren't going to take any chances with their first-rounder, but this wasn't a case of an organization being overly cautious. Withrow needed to shut it down for as long as he did to ensure his health, both short- and long-term. ...

Withrow has recently worked with the Dodgers' strength and conditioning coach, Brendan Huttman, on a program and his arm seems to be working just fine. When healthy, he's shown a fastball that can sit in the 92-94 mph range, with the hope that there's more there as he matures. He's got a good curve and a feel for a changeup. His dad pitched in the White Sox organization and served as his son's pitching coach in high school, so for a pitcher his age, he's got a clean and repeatable delivery.

And now he seems to be more or less back to where he was a year ago. He'll come to the Dodgers' new Spring Training facility in Glendale, Ariz., again ready to truly get his pro career underway, this time as a right-hander about to turn 20 years old. ...

Comments (259)
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2009-01-13 13:42:42
1.   ToyCannon
No one has ever had a big league career after suffering a cut while handling a snorkeling mask. Consider him toast.
2009-01-13 13:44:28
2.   trainwreck
Are there even sharp edges on snorkeling masks?
2009-01-13 13:44:46
3.   Jacob Burch
Snorkeling Masks, Deer Meat, Car Washes, the wondrous ways of injuries.
2009-01-13 13:47:07
4.   underdog
I really don't understand Elias rankings sometimes. How is Juan Cruz ranked higher than Derek Lowe again? Sigh, now we have to hope a bunch of other overrated free agents don't sign with Atlanta or that draft choice goes down even further. Stupid system... stupid Flanders...


Btw, Icaros, your Jason Schmidt comment towards end of last thread made me chuckle.

2009-01-13 13:47:38
5.   Icaros

Don't forget the rain tarp at old Busch Stadium.

2009-01-13 13:48:14
6.   Jacob Burch
4 Rankings are positional. Juan Cruz is a 'better reliever' than Derrek Lowe is a starter.
2009-01-13 13:51:02
7.   Jacob Burch
I think Barmes is still my favorite, mostly because I wonder why "Groceries" wouldn't suffice in his explanation; Bambi had to get out in the open.
2009-01-13 13:51:17
8.   silverwidow
I was watching Prime 9 on MLBN last night and they showed highlights from Doc Gooden's 1985. Since I was only 4 years old at the time, I never realized that his stuff was all kinds of awesome. SICK curve and just monster heat. Unbelievable.
2009-01-13 13:51:33
9.   Icaros

Not everyone agreed with you...and I'll take that disappointment to my grave.

2009-01-13 13:57:32
10.   bhsportsguy
8 I am fairly sure I was at this game. And you wonder why many are upset with Lasorda and his handling of Fernando?

2009-01-13 14:01:05
11.   ToyCannon
While I hate being old, I love the fact I was able to watch Doc, Fernando, Fidrych, Orel and others.
2009-01-13 14:02:25
12.   Icaros

Are the pitch counts listed in there? Can't find them.

2009-01-13 14:03:16
13.   ToyCannon
Jon asks a question at post 133 and then NPUT at post 146.
2009-01-13 14:04:49
14.   bhsportsguy
11 That is true, I saw Tannana and Ryan and two days of crying back with the Angels, saw Fernandomania at its beginning, Gooden and Clemens when they were both starting out, and Orel break Drysdale's record.
2009-01-13 14:05:30
15.   bhsportsguy
12 I can tell you that if they kept them, no one told us back then.
2009-01-13 14:05:32
16.   Jon Weisman
9 - I deleted the set-up, and then so I felt I had to delete what followed.

13 - I sort of thought it had more or less been answered, but it was 5 1/2 years.

2009-01-13 14:06:24
17.   Jon Weisman
10 - I was there - one of the most memorable games I attended. I mention it in my Fernando chapter.

11 - I agree.

2009-01-13 14:08:35
18.   bhsportsguy
11 I am sure that anyone who saw them back then thought that we would be talking about the HOF election of Daryl and Doc by 2009.
2009-01-13 14:10:01
19.   Icaros

Fair enough. I should have known better than to bother with him.

2009-01-13 14:11:19
20.   bhsportsguy
12 Interesting article on how one can estimate pitch counts.

2009-01-13 14:15:00
21.   Icaros

Interesting, thanks.

2009-01-13 14:15:14
22.   JRSarno
Cool, maybe Lowe and Andruw Jones can bring the Braves to the next level in '09.
2009-01-13 14:15:49
23.   Eric Stephen
There are some pockets of games in the 1980s that don't have pitch counts.

The game the next day (9/7/85) at Dodger Stadium was the very first game I can distinctly remember attending (I was 9). I know I attended some before that, but I have no idea of the date or opponent. This game was memorable because:

a) it was sock day
b) PR Jose Gonzalez scored the winning run in the 9th
c) my brother got stung by a bee in the parking lot before the game

The bee joined us at Tommy's, and hid out in my brother's open coke can. My brother didn't attempt a drink until we were in the DS parking lot, at which time the hiding bee showed itself and stung him in the lip.

2009-01-13 14:18:03
24.   GoBears
Picking up from the last thread, ToyCannon wrote: I tend to believe that circumstance is very important, not as important as skill but some players may only thrive in a certain type of environment. Maybe it takes a winning environment, or maybe it it something else but I certainly wouldn't agree that a player would hit 330 no matter what team he was playing for. Maybe for most of them, but not for enough that you cannot make a blanket statement that skill will win out no matter what the environment is.

I didn't say that. I said that our expectations ought to start there. Every little thing matters. Skill matters most of all. So the EXPECTATION should be that, other than well-known park effects, and playing-time effects, performance will be the same no matter which team a player plays for. Of course, there is randomness, and there are psychological factors. We're pretty sure that teammates don't matter on average (e.g, that protection in the lineup is a myth) but that doesn't mean that it might not matter for a player here and there.

You're trying to pin me down to a blanket statement that I didn't make. I admitted right at the beginning that a "change in scenery" could matter a little, but not enough to make the difference between an MVP year and an unproductive year.

If you think in terms of a multiple regression, with performance as the dependent variable and everything else (skill, attitude, comfort, teammates, park factors, etc. etc. etc.) as explanatory variables, I'm not saying that none of the factors other than skill be end up being significant. But thy will be small in size, and swamped by skill.

Yet another caveat, of course, is health. Skill won't matter as much if a player is hurt. But my point is that if Jones is healthier in 2009 than he was in 2008, that would help him no matter where he played.

2009-01-13 14:18:22
25.   El Lay Dave
11 et al., we are NOT old! Today is my father's 75th birthday; he is GETTING old.
2009-01-13 14:18:57
26.   Eric Stephen
Using the pitch count estimator (but using actual BF instead of estimated PA), Fernando threw somewhere around 143 pitches in his 11-inning outing.
2009-01-13 14:20:06
27.   D4P
If you think in terms of a multiple regression

When do I not...

2009-01-13 14:24:14
28.   JoeyP
Hopefully Withrow starts in the Midwest League (A) or the Cal (A) league.

If he starts the season at Ogden, he's going to be that much further behind than where he should be.

2009-01-13 14:24:42
29.   Icaros

Meh. Dice-K was doing that in the 3rd grade.

2009-01-13 14:27:08
30.   D4P
Pitches in t-ball don't count.
2009-01-13 14:28:36
31.   kinbote
But thy will be small in size, and swamped by skill.

Talk about a prophecy!

2009-01-13 14:29:20
32.   D4P
But thy will be small in size, and swamped by skill bed.

2009-01-13 14:34:48
33.   D4P
Boras wants four years with a fifth-year vesting option, while the Giants probably won't exceed two years.

Manny is Boras' last great project of the offseason. If he can somehow play the Giants and Dodgers off each other, maybe he gets that third guaranteed year.

2009-01-13 14:43:19
34.   Icaros
I think I have a shoulder impingement from stirring the pot of chili I made on Sunday. Every now and then it feels like someone is poking me with a needle, or perhaps the bee that stung Eric's brother.
2009-01-13 14:45:03
35.   ToyCannon
Sorry about the blanket statement, I was reading to much into your comment. I don't think in multiple regression, if I have to think that hard I move onto a easier subject like "if something makes a woman happy one day why doesn't it work the next day".
2009-01-13 14:45:42
36.   Kevin Lewis

I would be okay with 3/65 if we would just get it done already.

2009-01-13 14:47:20
37.   trainwreck
Yeah, I do not have an issue with a third year. Could always trade him to the Yankees when they get desperate. : )
2009-01-13 14:48:17
38.   Tripon
Or to the Red Sox!
2009-01-13 14:48:43
39.   ToyCannon
I would have liked to have been a bee keeper though I'd feel guilty stealing their hard earned honey. Nothing irritates me more then people acting stupid when they see a bee. If I was a bee I'd talk my buddies into stinging the fools just for gesticulating wildly. Of course I'd have to make new friends every day.

None of the above applies to people who might die when stung.

2009-01-13 14:49:35
40.   ToyCannon
How about 3/66?
2009-01-13 14:49:47
41.   Icaros

Sounds like you and your buddies would make better wasps or hornets.

2009-01-13 14:50:35
42.   Tripon
10 years/10 million and that is my final offer.
2009-01-13 14:51:14
43.   Eric Stephen
Now you've gone way too far! :)
2009-01-13 14:51:18
44.   Tripon
39 Hey, getting stung in the throat sucks.
2009-01-13 14:52:19
45.   oshea2002
Sounds like Mark Sanchez is gone.

36 - I'm starting to feel that way too. Patience has paid off to this point, but what if Boras is willing just to hold out indefinitely? At some point it would be nice just to solve the OF hole, move on, and focus on pitching.

I'm sure he'd have preferred Burnett's deal, but Lowe ended up doing pretty well for himself.

2009-01-13 14:53:38
46.   Eric Stephen
I once got stung in college while driving (my kickass 1982 Chevy Citation, I might add!) as a bee swooped in to my open driver's window while I was going roughly 20 MPH and stung me in the neck.
2009-01-13 14:53:44
47.   trainwreck
Corp most likely starter?
2009-01-13 14:55:07
48.   Eric Stephen
Sounds like Mark Sanchez is gone

Hard to blame him if he can go in the 1st round, but man I hope he comes back.

2009-01-13 14:55:33
49.   Kevin Lewis

That would make more sense

2009-01-13 14:55:53
50.   bhsportsguy
47 Maybe they'll go Carson Palmer and bring in Barkley since he is already enrolled this semester.
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2009-01-13 14:55:57
51.   Eric Stephen
Probably. Depends on spring practice of course, but Mustain and Corp are relatively close on the depth chart.
2009-01-13 14:56:13
52.   Tripon
Get ready to say hello to Mitch Mustain.
2009-01-13 14:56:18
53.   trainwreck
When I was a kid, I was on my way to a doctors visit when I saw a big flowery bush covered in bees. For some reason, I felt compelled to just grab a hand full of bees.

Might as well get my moneys worth for my doctor visit.

2009-01-13 14:57:44
54.   bhsportsguy
49 Has it been a month yet when I said that was the deal I would do?
2009-01-13 14:58:52
55.   oshea2002
I think 80/20 it's Corp over Mustain.
2009-01-13 14:58:53
56.   Marty
One summer when I was 5 I ran out and got my swimming trunks off of the clothesline (remember those?), threw them on and went to a friends to watch TV. I started feeling this stinginig feeling on my butt that really hurt. I pulled my trunks open and a big black bee slowly rose from my trunks.

I was scared of bees for 20 years after that.

2009-01-13 14:59:06
57.   oshea2002
It will not be Barkley.
2009-01-13 14:59:48
58.   Eric Stephen
I refuse to believe Sanchez is gone until it is official. Denial? You betcha.
2009-01-13 15:00:10
59.   Tripon
Barkley is the one losing out here, now he won't get a chance to start until his junior year.
2009-01-13 15:01:56
60.   ToyCannon
No, those hurt. alot. Like the difference between a common black ant and an South African Fire Ant.
2009-01-13 15:02:06
61.   silverwidow
If Kurt Warner comes up lame on Sunday, could MATT LEINART actually lead a team to a Super Bowl championship?
2009-01-13 15:02:16
62.   Tripon
The Marlins signed first baseman John Lindsey to a minor-league contract and invited him to spring training. Lindsey hit 56 home runs over the past two seasons in the minors for the Dodgers organization.

-via Diamond Lueng

2009-01-13 15:02:17
63.   fanerman
I've never been stung by a bee. I am afraid of bees. (vehemently knocks on wood)
2009-01-13 15:03:30
64.   Marty
62 Yikes, cue the Zappala suicide watch.
2009-01-13 15:03:31
65.   trainwreck
I have gotten attacked by a hive of wasps twice. They just do not stop. I even jumped into the pool and they continued to sting me as they drowned to death.
2009-01-13 15:04:10
66.   adrian beltre
in possibly my most chivalrous moment, i once grabbed a bee out of midair that was threatening to sting my fifth grade teacher, on whom i had a rather large crush. the sting was totally worth it.
2009-01-13 15:04:13
67.   trainwreck
2009-01-13 15:05:02
68.   Marty
I've been stung more by dead bees than live ones.
2009-01-13 15:05:26
69.   mwhite06
For the USC fans on the board, are you guys really high on Barkley? I know its very difficult to evaluate talent coming out of high school, but this kid received a ton of hype (even before his senior year.) Mater Dei was supposed to dominate this year (they didn't) and the times I saw Barkley play, like in the Carson game which was the first game of the year, I didn't come away too impressed.
2009-01-13 15:05:52
70.   ToyCannon
Cody Ross say hello to John Lindsey.

To bad, he could have played 1st for the Isotopes and tried to hit 100 home runs in three years.

2009-01-13 15:06:16
71.   oshea2002
58 - nothing official, and nothing from Mark, but the reports (not the Scott Wolf report, but other who are very reliable have confirmed it) seem pretty accurate. Apparently other players are also saying this as well.

Personally, I think both Sanchez and Mays are making mistakes, but that's just me.

2009-01-13 15:07:51
72.   Eric Stephen
Silverwidow, you have unlocked what I like to call the Best Case Scenario for these NFL playoffs. :)
2009-01-13 15:10:05
73.   Eric Stephen
If I were advising Mays or Sanchez, I would have them leave, that's for sure.

I wonder if Sanchez is waiting on Sam Bradford's decision, or perhaps vice versa.

2009-01-13 15:10:32
74.   D4P
Best Case Scenario for these NFL playoffs

NFL declares Rams Super Bowl champion and strips Patriots of all past and future Super Bowl championships...?

2009-01-13 15:11:03
75.   oshea2002
69 - I was under the impression the whole time that MD was going to be way down this year. Not disputing that he didn't have a great year, but once he was on the field with elite talent, he dominated the Under Armour practice week and game 2 weeks ago.
2009-01-13 15:13:30
76.   ToyCannon
Everyone should be stung by a bee just so you can find out what the allergic reaction is. Once you find out the sting is no big deal, the fear should abide, however if you find out you are allergic the information could save your life provided you survive the 1st sting.
2009-01-13 15:14:40
77.   Tripon
76 You want people to die?
2009-01-13 15:15:49
78.   Eric Stephen
Maybe as children are treated for chicken pox or get a tonsillectomy they get one free dip in the bee jar. That way the first sting can happen under controlled circumstances with medical help at the ready.
2009-01-13 15:16:41
79.   Eric Stephen
Population control.
2009-01-13 15:17:01
80.   oshea2002
73 - Mays yes. He's not going to improve, maybe he will on the field but he won't improve his stock, and he'll have Eric Berry coming out next year.

Sanchez no, he needs on the field and draft stock improvement. He should stay b/c the NFL is different from the NBA, there isn't a rookie cap whereas you aren't talking a ton of money b/t 1 and 25, and you need to hurry up and get your 2nd contract. Sanchez could go anywhere from 15-25, whereas he could be a 5-10 pick next year. That could be a $10-$15 million dollar loss, similar to the money Rivers and Ellis recouped by staying for their senior years.

2009-01-13 15:17:11
81.   Bluebleeder87
Is august one of D-Lowe's good months? cause we're gonna get him the first week & the middle of august.
2009-01-13 15:19:22
82.   Daniel Zappala
62 , 64 Noooo!
2009-01-13 15:20:41
83.   Daniel Zappala
My younger brother tackled me once in the backyard, and while he was on top of me, a bee stung me in the rear. Lindsey leaving the Dodgers feels a little like that.
2009-01-13 15:21:06
84.   Jim Hitchcock
76 The last time I was stung by a bee, it got me on the knuckle of my little finger. Within a day, my arm had swollen up past the elbow as big as the skin would allow. Not only did I look like half a Steve Garvey, but I had to sleep with my arm elevated for three days.
2009-01-13 15:21:22
85.   Eric Stephen
Lowe ERA by month, career
Apr 3.54
May 4.13
Jun 3.60
Jul 5.02
Aug 3.19
Sep 3.14
2009-01-13 15:22:34
86.   Eric Stephen
Not only did I look like half a Steve Garvey

If I was drinking anything, I surely would have spit it out at this comment. Hilarious! Assuming you're all better now of course. :)

2009-01-13 15:23:37
87.   ToyCannon
Everyday, but not because of bee stings.

I'm just saying it would be a bad time to find out you are allergic to bee stings at the age of 40, on a boat, 20 miles from help. If you knew you'd have some epinephrine with you.

I don't mean to be cavalier but really, everyone should know if they are allergic or not.

2009-01-13 15:24:27
88.   mwhite06
80 I disagree with you on Sanchez. Great bowl game, Tebow and McCoy not coming out means he should be in the top 3 for QB's. Plus he would have a new offensive coordinator next year (should he stay at USC), that uncertaintly alone should be enough for him to turn pro.

Plus, I truly think he is better than Bradford as a pro-prospect anyway and I think it will show at the combine. That leaves him fighting only Stafford at the top of the draft.

2009-01-13 15:25:18
89.   Humma Kavula
82 At least you have Mitch Jones back in the fold.
2009-01-13 15:26:19
90.   Big Game
62 ,64 ,82 Meet Val Pascucci, recent Dodgers signing:

2009-01-13 15:26:29
91.   Kevin Lewis
My wife and I dated for 3 years and were married for 2 before I found out she had an epi pen for her bee allergy. I was shocked she didn't tell me this earlier.
2009-01-13 15:27:35
92.   Bob Timmermann
So, since I've been stung by a bee once and lived to tell the tale does that mean I can just stick my hand in a hive with impunity.

I got stung in Santa Monica when I put my hand on a railing at Palisades Park and discovered a dead bee attached to it. My hand swelled up a bit, but that was it.

The bee was given a proper burial.

2009-01-13 15:28:39
93.   D4P
My wife's epi pens for her bee allergies expired more than 5 years ago. She doesn't want to buy new ones because her health insurance sucks.
2009-01-13 15:29:51
94.   fanerman
87 I for one am now concerned that I might die from being stung by a bee for the first time ever while away from civilization. Is there a way to test for bee sting allergies without being stung by a bee?
2009-01-13 15:33:19
95.   underdog
91 ...especially since you're a beekeeper!


2009-01-13 15:33:57
96.   Jim Hitchcock
86 Yessir!
2009-01-13 15:34:37
97.   bhsportsguy
94 A scratch test by an allergy specialist?
2009-01-13 15:34:52
98.   Alex41592
I would vote for Bert Blyleven.
2009-01-13 15:35:07
99.   Daniel Zappala
90 He's had 62 ABs in the major leagues. It's just not the same.
2009-01-13 15:35:22
100.   Bob Timmermann
I don't worry as much about bee stings since, as I've discussed earlier, I live in a place where all the bees are dying of disease. And they all come to die by my car.

That's stopped the last month. Probably because there aren't any more bees left to die.

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2009-01-13 15:36:00
101.   Kevin Lewis
Just remember not to squeeze the bulb to pull the stinger out. Try to use dirt or sand to rub it gently out from side to side. By pulling it out directly, you will put more "poison" into you.
2009-01-13 15:38:05
102.   ToyCannon
Sure that works if you have health insurance. For the young and hardy just get stung. Find an old bee (about 17 hours old) and let him sting you before he dies of exhaustion from flapping those wings on a body never meant to fly.
2009-01-13 15:38:23
103.   trainwreck
Raiders special teams coach Brian Schneider has decided to become special teams coach at USC. His unit was definitely the bright spot of the team.

It is sad that maybe our best coach would rather go coach in college than stay with us.

2009-01-13 15:39:46
104.   Jacob Burch
I was stung in the inner ear by a bee when I was 3. Have feared the things something awful ever since.
2009-01-13 15:40:29
105.   cargill06
90 So, we replaced our AAAA slugging 1B with a female name with a AAAA slugging 1B with a female name?
2009-01-13 15:40:53
106.   bhsportsguy
102 ToyCannon is right, in the sense that allergies to insect venom are only discovered after you have had a reaction. Also, to complicate matters, sometimes the allergic reaction may not come the first time you are stung.

How are allergies to insect stings diagnosed?
An allergic reaction to an insect sting is diagnosed by a physical exam and a medical history. After you have recovered from the allergic reaction, you may be given allergy tests to find out which types of insect stings you are allergic to and how sensitive you are to the allergens.

2009-01-13 15:45:54
107.   ToyCannon
Sounds like Bob should start worrying again. My work here is done.
2009-01-13 15:50:17
108.   trainwreck
If I ever have to go to a bad neighborhood, I am going to keep a plastic bag of bees in my pocket for protection.
2009-01-13 15:53:13
109.   trainwreck
Give them the old Macaulay Culkin in "My Girl" treatment.
2009-01-13 15:53:36
110.   Bob Timmermann
Trying to get me to worry about a health problem is about as hard as trying to get Andruw Jones to swing and miss at curve ball away.
2009-01-13 15:53:53
111.   fanerman
108 Just walk a dog that has killer bees in its mouth, and when it barks, it can shoot killer bees at your enemies.
2009-01-13 15:55:41
112.   Marty
Bob should move a little north to Altadena, where the bees are plentiful.
2009-01-13 15:56:46
113.   Humma Kavula
111 And put some lasers on their heads! Those bees will be unstoppable!
2009-01-13 15:57:24
114.   underdog
111 - Wait, that's from a movie, right? Or just your twisted imagination?


I'm less worried about bee stings than I am the general health of the bee population. As they go, so too do we.

2009-01-13 15:57:32
115.   ToyCannon
I stay away from hard tasks. If it can't be done with minimal effort then someone else needs to do it.
2009-01-13 15:58:17
116.   trainwreck
2009-01-13 15:59:28
117.   ToyCannon
So I've heard, yet the North American continent was bee free until the 1500's was it not, or maybe I'm confusing Bee's with Horses.
2009-01-13 16:06:43
118.   El Lay Dave
During the late 70s disco era when I was sporting longish, unnaturally parted-in-the-middle hair requiring significant amounts of a manly hairspray to hold, a bee flew into my hair, got stuck and angry before I could get it out, and stung me in the scalp. Fortunately, I am not allergic to bee venom.
2009-01-13 16:06:54
119.   oshea2002
103 - where'd you see that?
2009-01-13 16:08:42
120.   underdog
117 No, that's bee-vers, eh. ;-)


I was excited to hear the Dodgers had signed Manny Mota today. Why, back in my day, he was a great man off the bench, they could use a pinch hitter like... {whispering in ear} What's that? Guillermo Mota? Oh! Feh.

2009-01-13 16:10:00
121.   underdog
103 Oh well, maybe they'll steal Jeremy Bates. Heard he's interviewing. Jay Cutler loves him some Jeremy Bates. Personally, I think Jay will be just fine with McDaniel, and that Bates is a little overrated. But some are high on him.
2009-01-13 16:10:47
122.   fanerman
117 I think that's horses. I also remember reading scary articles about the dwindling bee population. Scary!
2009-01-13 16:11:15
123.   Brent Knapp
Speaking of Bees: I have never been stung by one. You'd think in 26 years I would have at least once.

Speaking of using Bees in self-defense in bad neighborhoods: I have a baseball game tonite at Gonzales Park in Compton. Does anyone know if this is a particularly bad neighborhood?

2009-01-13 16:13:37
124.   trainwreck
2009-01-13 16:14:38
125.   oshea2002
Interesting, our staff is apparently full, although we need a ST coach big time.

I'll take Bates, I hated our staff this past year.

2009-01-13 16:15:45
126.   bhsportsguy
103 I'm surprised that USC is getting a special teams coach since Carroll doesn't usually give scholarships to his kickers (at least in the beginning.)

Very funny mock song to the tune of "Desparado" entitled Matty Leinart now just played on 570 KLAC.

2009-01-13 16:15:59
127.   Tripon

Mark Prior signs with San Diego. Again!

2009-01-13 16:17:22
128.   Tripon
126 Is there a reason why Petros hates Matt Leinart?
2009-01-13 16:17:44
129.   Eric Stephen
Would that be on the Petros (& Money?) show? Shocker. :)
2009-01-13 16:21:38
130.   bhsportsguy
129 "Desparado" is famous for being the song from Seinfeld.

Petros dislike for Leinart (he loves Cassell, Palmer and Sanchez, don't recall how he felt about Booty) and Reggie Bush is well known.

That does not make his shots against them less funny.

2009-01-13 16:22:07
131.   oshea2002
128 - various reasons, from big-timing teammates to a spat they had about a comment Petros made about his ex.
2009-01-13 16:22:57
132.   Jim Hitchcock
123 No blue or red, and don't wear your cap backwards.
2009-01-13 16:25:06
133.   bhsportsguy
131 I think the stories from his ex was the final straw. His lack of success thus far in the NFL, injury-related or not, has not helped either.
2009-01-13 16:26:48
134.   Kevin Lewis

What league are you playing in? My goal is to one day get back to hardball.

2009-01-13 16:27:48
135.   Bluebleeder87
I'm worried about our bullpen, I can't articulate how I feel about it, but I just don't like our '09 pen...
2009-01-13 16:27:50
136.   bhsportsguy
134 You need to get in touch with Bluebleeder.
2009-01-13 16:30:41
137.   bhsportsguy
From the home office, Top Ten Highlights from My Hall of Fame Career.

Being a Met, a Blue Jay, a Padre, a Dodger...hell, even I can't remember all the teams that I played for (Henderson)

Sleeping with Madonna (Henderson)

Sleeping with Madonna (Rice)

I played with Jose Canseco and never got to inject anything in his ass (Henderson)

Interesting if Rickey doesn't say A's or Yankees in that one answer.

2009-01-13 16:33:21
138.   Brent Knapp
Our team is wrapping up a sunday wood bat league run by in the next couple weeks. We are starting a new weeknight league that starts tonite. We are bringing the same team over to the new league. I don't know any other details about this new league but I'll get them to you after tonite. You're welcome to come play at next weeks game and see if its a fit.
2009-01-13 16:35:31
139.   Bluebleeder87

what position do you play Kevin? our team for the most part is very respectfull amongst each other, I can't say that about the team we're playing each particular sunday (friendly banter) but for the most part the league is well run.

we're 5 & 1 & in 1st place so far.

2009-01-13 16:40:39
140.   Brent Knapp
139 What league are you in? We are leaving an league that plays in Hawthorne, Carson, or Wilmas because it seemed to jump in price suddenly. In the words of one of my teammates, "I don't pay to play baseball. They pay me to play baseball." Which is funny, because he's hitting .200
2009-01-13 16:41:08
141.   bhsportsguy
139 Does he have to take BP against you to get on the team?
2009-01-13 16:42:57
142.   Kevin Lewis

I pitched through high school, can play 3B, 2B, and 1B, and probably the corner outfield positions.

2009-01-13 16:43:28
143.   Eric Stephen
For Josh Rawitch, RIP Preston Gomez:

And finally, on a very sad note, we just got word that former Dodger coach Preston Gomez passed away today. As some of you might recall, he was hit by a car during Spring Training last year and it seems he never really recovered.

2009-01-13 16:45:17
144.   Bluebleeder87

we play in the cerritos/sante fe area.


nah man, just show up every sunday & bring your passion of the game with you.

2009-01-13 16:52:25
145.   underdog
Aww, man, that's sad about Preston Gomez. :-( His was one of those names I remember hearing as a kid from Vin Scully while not fully understanding his role with the team. But the name became very recognizable to me growing up.
2009-01-13 16:55:40
146.   Kevin Lewis
Yea, the problem is I need the time and a league closer to Pasadena.
2009-01-13 16:56:42
147.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder what my ERA+ is? I indooze a lot of ground balls that's for sure.


2009-01-13 16:59:08
148.   Bluebleeder87

I have a friend who plays in a wooden bat league near the rose bowl, I don't know what the name of the league is but I spoke to him the other day (he wanted me to check it out) he is gonna play there this sunday I think.

2009-01-13 17:01:14
149.   Tripon
Presumably, John Lidsney has to beat out either Jorge Cantu, or Dallas McPherson to start for the Marlins.

Wow, this is what happens when you try to make a team on the cheap.

2009-01-13 17:02:40
150.   Icaros

All Time Greatest Bluebleeder Word Ever

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2009-01-13 17:04:03
151.   Terry A
When I was a fourth grader, I was running around barefoot and was stung by a bee on the bottom of my middle toe. It took about a week for the swelling to subside, after which I immediately went outside barefoot and got stung on the middle toe of the other foot. To this day, I tell my parents I was wearing shoes the second time and the maniacal bee flew in a hole near the big toe.

I have also been stung on the face by red wasps and yellowjackets. My face swelled shut for days. Chicks really dig that.

2009-01-13 17:10:51
152.   Tripon

IBAF releases World Rankings in advance of WBC in this WBC Extra

The U.S. is 3rd.

2009-01-13 17:11:01
153.   scareduck
When I was a kid, we went to our grandparents' ranch house near Fallbrook. They grew citrus and avocado, and they had a lot of bees as a result. It seems like one of the three of us kids got stung about every time we went there, especially after bees colonized their fireplace. At the same time, it kind of got me over my fear of bees for some reason.

Now, getting puncture wounds in my feet (through the soles of my shoes, yet!) from protruding steel spikes left in unfinished concrete foundations ... never did get used to that.

2009-01-13 17:11:13
154.   Jim Hitchcock
Interesting story about activists battling against a 3rd runway at Heathrow:

I like Heathrow stories because they remind me of the time the pig from Pink Floyd's Animals tour got loose and floated near the airport. Pilots on final were heard to report `a giant pig heading toward the runway'.

2009-01-13 17:11:13
155.   Bluebleeder87

Let's see:

I like Kuo (but think his elbow is gonna fly off any minute now)

Broxton i've stated in the past how I feel about him, but I sure as hell hope i'm proven wrong.

Cory Wade the unsung hero of '08, let's see if he can repeat it in '09


I don't know how the Dodgers are gonna use Elbert & McDonald but there always seems to be a dark horse when it comes to the bullpen so veremos.

2009-01-13 17:17:11
156.   Bluebleeder87
being stung by a bee isn't fun I would imagine, because even if your not allergic to them the sting MUST still hurt right?
2009-01-13 17:20:18
157.   DaDoughboy
If you are looking for a well run, no-nonsense league, the PCBL has been really good for us. It is a little pricey, but they have an LA league, OC league, South Coast league, with 3 divisions per...Most games are on Sundays and it starts up in March. I think the site is if interested. It's a great start if you want to dip your toe into hardball again..
2009-01-13 17:20:34
158.   trainwreck
It is similar to the pain of a bad paper cut. At first it is very annoying, but it goes away pretty quickly and you are just a little sore in that spot.
2009-01-13 17:23:04
159.   trainwreck
Wasp stings hurt more because they just keep stinging you in the same place.
2009-01-13 17:24:38
160.   Tripon
How may teams have a better outfielder over the Dodgers as is? (At the moment, its Pierre, Kemp, and Ethier)
2009-01-13 17:24:47
161.   Tripon
Outfield, not outfielder.
2009-01-13 17:26:20
162.   trainwreck
My friend's sister got stung by a tarantula hawk wasp and she said the pain was immense and it changed the whole color of her leg.

I used to see those sometimes around my pool and I would immediately just go under water or go inside.

2009-01-13 17:32:34
163.   DaDoughboy
I got stung in the throat by a bee trying to drink my Coke at Zuma when I was 10. The year was 1988..and I have actually have had Dodger fan/friends ask me to drink live bees as some kind of crazy potion (a la Cerrano and the live chickens) to break our mini-drought. Every year they ask me I decline.
2009-01-13 17:35:27
164.   Alex41592
Vujacic is out. Odom is back for the Lakers against the Rockets.
2009-01-13 17:36:03
165.   ToyCannon
I got stung by a bee
That is nothing I got stung by a wasp
Big deal, you should have seen the tarantula that bit me
Seriously, you are all talking small fry. Until you have been bitten by a Tarantula Hawk Wasp you haven't been bitten.

Until today I'd never heard of such a thing.

That stinger reads painful.

2009-01-13 17:37:20
166.   ToyCannon
How many teams don't?
2009-01-13 17:39:15
167.   DaDoughboy
Uggh. From what it looks like we'd be guaranteed at least 3 rings if I drink a few of these bad boys down.
The sting apparently puts you in:
"...immediate, excruciating pain that simply shuts down one's ability to do anything, except, perhaps, scream.."
I just got cold sweats.
2009-01-13 17:40:15
168.   bhsportsguy
160 Certainly not better includes:

San Diego, Colorado, San Francisco, Cincinatti, and Pittsburgh.

A lot of those teams have one JP type or in Cincy's case, two JP types in their OF.

2009-01-13 17:41:41
169.   Samhain
104 , me too: I was also stung in the inner ear.

I was never freaked by bees until one flew into my ear when I was about ten. The angry buzzing was so loud and the stinger hurt terribly as it was moved around in my ear canal by the bee's death throes. It felt like I was being stung again and again.

To this day, fifty years later, I am very uncomfortable when bees are nearby...

2009-01-13 17:41:49
170.   Daniel Zappala
165 4.0 on the Schmidt Sting Pain Index!

2009-01-13 17:43:09
171.   bhsportsguy
165 I guess fortunate for us that tarantulas are not native species in LA
2009-01-13 17:43:51
172.   bhsportsguy
170 Range extends to Logan, Utah. Be careful.
2009-01-13 17:48:41
173.   DaDoughboy
Apparently in regards to the Bullet Ant (the highest on Schmidts scale)..: "In some indigenous communities, to enter manhood a boy has to endure being stung by the ant 5 times without screaming."

Urm, I'll stay a boy, thanks..

2009-01-13 17:50:45
174.   trainwreck
I live right by Mt. Diablo and there are tons of tarantulas there. They are really calm actually, but is is ten times freakier to see a giant wasp just carrying a tarantula around.
2009-01-13 17:52:24
175.   Eric Stephen
Jason rates a 5.0 on the Schmidt Sting Pain Index!

[borrows Underdog's cymbals]

2009-01-13 17:59:26
176.   trainwreck
Anyone seen the Animal Planet/Discovery Channel documentary on siafu.

Ants that will eat people!!

2009-01-13 18:04:28
177.   bhsportsguy
How did we get to stinging insects anyway?
2009-01-13 18:05:04
178.   fanerman
Insects scare me.
2009-01-13 18:06:30
179.   Tripon

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Raiders have hired Sanjay Lal to coach the team's receivers.

Lal replaces James Lofton, who was let go earlier in the day by the team.

Does Al Davis just hate James Lofton or something?

2009-01-13 18:06:50
180.   trainwreck
ToyCannon talked about wanting to be a bee keeper and in typical DT fashion, it lead us on a strange path of enlightenment.
2009-01-13 18:10:38
181.   Eric Stephen
I thought it started with me mentioning my brother got stung by a bee on Sock Day in 1985.
2009-01-13 18:10:45
182.   Tripon
I thought ToyCannon wanted to be a bee and sting people to death due to their idiocy acting around bees.
2009-01-13 18:11:14
183.   trainwreck
ESPN2 is scrolling text messages they have received from viewers about the game.

This is the dumbest idea ever.

2009-01-13 18:12:00
184.   trainwreck
I do not want my sporting events to turn into Deadspin.
2009-01-13 18:12:43
185.   ToyCannon
I thought all great alien monsters were based on large versions of scary insects. I can remember enjoying the Land of the Giants TV show but I expect if I saw an episode now I'd have to be fairly stoned to enjoy it now.

On a more happy note in this time of trouble I give you this heartwarming tale of friendship.

2009-01-13 18:13:16
186.   bhsportsguy
181 Are you watching that show again by Smithers' boss.
2009-01-13 18:16:04
187.   Eric Stephen
I watched about 5 minutes, then remembered the Laker game was on.
2009-01-13 18:17:00
188.   MyTummyHurts

man. it's the coolest insect ever []

2009-01-13 18:17:56
189.   ToyCannon
That is telephone at it's worse. The only accurate part is that I can't stand people acting silly when they see a bee.
2009-01-13 18:24:58
190.   Gen3Blue
As an observer of our draft's I feel good if Withrow and Martin do well, because I am conservative, and I realize that we have traded a pitching prospect between these two in a move that is almost as questionable as Carlos Santana. I can't help hearing in one ear some TV commentators equating Dem/Repubs with Lib/Conserv all the way back to Lincoln. Pardon me while I go hurl over the ignorance allowed on network TV.
2009-01-13 18:33:25
191.   LoneStar7
Loney was just interviewed during the Laker game
2009-01-13 18:36:38
192.   Gen3Blue
191 I would like to see that.

185 I am a sucker for these tales of animal friendships. There have been many, including a lioness who adopted a young antelope!

2009-01-13 18:37:10
193.   bhsportsguy
191 Loney is supposed to be back in LA this Saturday to host an event at Dodger Stadium with Matt Kemp, is that what he talked about.
2009-01-13 18:37:14
194.   Eric Stephen
Alas, they didn't show that on NBA TV.

Loney is set to receive the Greater Houston area's Major League Player of the Year on Thursday night at the Hilton Americas Convention Center Hotel.

2009-01-13 18:38:55
195.   DaDoughboy
I'm pretty new to DT, but is there anybody here who likes Juan Pierre? (bad contract notwithstanding..)
I mean, the guy seems to play hard...averages .300, 194 hits, 54 SB's, and 39 K's a year. Granted his contract is terrible...but is he really that bad?
2009-01-13 18:39:43
196.   Bob Timmermann
Juan Pierre is the third rail of Dodger Thoughts.

OK, maybe not. I just like that analogy.

2009-01-13 18:45:35
197.   Eric Stephen
Of the 142 players who amassed 1000 PA during the last two seasons, only Jason Kendall had a worse OPS+ than Juan Pierre's 74.

2009-01-13 18:46:51
198.   Tripon
And Brewers fans actually like Jason Kendall.
2009-01-13 18:47:07
199.   Bluebleeder87
it was eaten by a male lion: Grief stricken

When the last calf was eaten by a male lion while she slept, the lioness was said to have been stricken with grief - she went around roaring in anger.

Cases of lionesses showing maternal affection for animals they would normally see as prey are not unprecedented, conservationist Daphne Sheldrick said.



sweet story though.

2009-01-13 18:48:48
200.   bhsportsguy
198 Actually, fans who go to the games seem to be okay with Pierre.
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2009-01-13 18:49:04
201.   D4P
Depo posted a photo of his daughter today, on her 3rd birthday.
2009-01-13 18:49:39
202.   underdog
When (and how) did Ahmad Rashad end up hosting NBA TV?


Lakers looking mediocre vs a shorthanded Rockets team. {cue I Love LA}

2009-01-13 18:51:01
203.   underdog
195 He's a nice person. He plays hard. He's just not very good and we're saddled with his awful contract. But I don't know too many people here who have much against him as a guy outside of baseball. Unfortunately we only have to suffer with him inside of baseball.
2009-01-13 18:52:16
204.   Tripon
199 The cynic in me thinks the Lioness is only doing it to raise it to adulthood, so she can eat a plump and docile animal. And she seems to be doing a bad job at the raising part.
2009-01-13 18:54:52
205.   Bob Timmermann
Hadn't Ahmad Rashad always been the host since NBC got out of the NBA business?
2009-01-13 18:58:12
207.   Eric Stephen
Anything good come out of the Loney interview?
2009-01-13 18:59:23
208.   Bob Timmermann
Mr. Rashad seems to be quite the presence at NBA TV.

2009-01-13 19:00:31
209.   LoneStar7
he did talk about the under the lights gig with Bison, it was pretty short, John Ireland basically just gave fans a number to call, and asked Loney what they had to get back to the playoffs, James said something along the lines of stay healthy and be consistent

Even for a big Loney fan like me, it was pretty boringlol, oh and he made it known he was rooting for the rockets, but obviously hes form the houston area so makes sense

2009-01-13 19:00:48
210.   Xeifrank
I hope everyone took a screenshot of the NBA Standings, with the Lakers with the best record. With their upcoming schedule and tonight's tough game, I'm not sure how much we will see them at the top again.
vr, Xei
2009-01-13 19:00:55
211.   Eric Stephen
Bill Simmons this year has often professed his love for this NBA TV studio crew of Rashad, Gary Payton, and Chris Webber. I haven't really seen them that much, but they have got some good reviews in a few sports media columns I've read.

Most of the appeal comes from Gary Payton playing the Barkley role and saying pretty much anything, and Chris Webber humorously playing along as well.

2009-01-13 19:01:27
212.   underdog
205 Probably. I'd just repressed all knowledge of it until now.
2009-01-13 19:02:27
213.   Eric Stephen
I took a screen shot of the standings at roughly the same time last year right after Bynum went down, just so I could remember a time when they had the #1 seed in the West. :)
2009-01-13 19:04:49
214.   Eric Stephen
Von Wafer: Giant Killer
2009-01-13 19:05:41
215.   underdog
213 - Yep, and they slid all the way down into the NBA finals. Abandon all hope ye who enter here! ;-)
2009-01-13 19:08:47
216.   bhsportsguy
Its January 13th, the NBA Playoffs don't start 3 months and the Finals don't start for about 5 months.

The Lakers have another week or so before they even play half their games.

2009-01-13 19:10:53
217.   Marty
Juan Pierre is the third rail of Dodger Thoughts

That reminds me of the dumbest question I've ever heard a TV newscaster ask. In Fargo, ND a reporter asked a Bush administration person "I know that Social Security is the third rail of politics, but what are the first two?"

2009-01-13 19:12:52
218.   bhsportsguy
I am not watching the game so I have to ask this question, is anyone within 10 feet of Von Wafer tonight?
2009-01-13 19:12:59
219.   ToyCannon
206 = 185
See what happens when I use tinyurl, you ignore my post.
2009-01-13 19:14:20
220.   kensai

At least Kendall plays catcher and not left field. :o

2009-01-13 19:14:37
221.   bhsportsguy
217 Before anyone else asks.

2009-01-13 19:14:54
222.   Bluebleeder87

just got a call from the friend who plays near the rose bowl, the name of the league is called the "Stan Musial Semi-pro baseball league" you might wanna look into it Kevin, it's in Pasadena...

2009-01-13 19:16:52
224.   Tripon
Jeff Francoeur is up for arbitration this year. His and Ryan Howard's arbitration case are the two more interesting this year.
2009-01-13 19:17:58
225.   old dodger fan
195 If you ignore the contract I like him as a 4th OFer. I don't think he likes being a 4th OFer though.
2009-01-13 19:18:26
226.   bhsportsguy
224 I predict Francoeur will lose, no matter what he asks for.
2009-01-13 19:18:44
227.   Xeifrank
What, the NBA Finals don't start for 5 months? That gives the Clippers plenty of time to get better.
vr, Xei
2009-01-13 19:18:52
228.   Bob Timmermann
223 was deleted.

So was 206, but that's because I remembered the number wrong.

2009-01-13 19:18:57
229.   Tripon
220 At least Kendall plays catcher and not left field. :o

A big part on why the Brewers like Kendall. You can forgive a lot of a players offensive flaws if pitchers like pitching to him. Its why Jose Molina got more starts last year, even when the Yankees traded for I-Rod.

2009-01-13 19:20:47
230.   kensai

I think it's because I said a naughty word.

Whoops, should have read the rules better.

2009-01-13 19:21:05
231.   Bob Timmermann
As Buck Martinez said last year during the ALCS, in regard to Jason Varitek, "There are two positions in baseball where you don't need offense: catcher and shortstop."

He had nothing to back this up however.

2009-01-13 19:23:11
232.   Tripon
231 Not that I actually believe in it, but catcher seems to have the greatest variance in offensive value.
2009-01-13 19:23:21
233.   kensai

It's open to interpretation too, since a catcher's defense is one of the hardest things to quantify objectively.

2009-01-13 19:24:08
234.   Eric Stephen
Ariza is playing the role of Von Wafer for the Lakers tonight.

6 for 6, including three 3s.

Wafer has a career high 23 so far.

2009-01-13 19:25:31
235.   Bob Timmermann
It seems that major league GMs have been valuing Jason Varitek's defense very lightly this offseason.
2009-01-13 19:26:13
236.   Tripon
fangraphs puts Jason Kendall's worth last year at $7.5 million. And Juan Pierre's at $2.6 million.

2009-01-13 19:26:18
237.   Gen3Blue
217 Good question Marty. And Wiki makes it clear that there is no clear answer. It is a "political term" and won't get a clear answer. And JP is a perfect example. Two or three years left? I can't remember--but no one wants to know anyway!
So Jones is gone, and Schmidt has only this year left. In a year or two we will have the wealth to supplement a good core. That is if we haven't run them off.
2009-01-13 19:28:40
238.   Tripon
There was an ep from the 90's X-men cartoon where the only way to kill the villain was by forcing him to touch the 3rd rail.
2009-01-13 19:29:52
239.   Bob Timmermann
Bad guys have been getting killed on third rails in movies since there have been third rails.
2009-01-13 19:34:32
240.   trainwreck
It is pretty good, because it is totally unprofessional lol. It is basically like conversations you would have when you are hanging out with your friends talking about the NBA and the basketball game you are watching.
2009-01-13 19:35:18
241.   trainwreck
That big one-eyed alien spirit thing that would take souls.
2009-01-13 19:37:10
242.   Marty
239 My favorite is in The Taking of Pelham 123. Robert Shaw fries himself.
2009-01-13 19:44:44
243.   Bob Timmermann
One of the bad guys in that movie was the actor who played was Earl Hindman, who would later become more famous for playing Wilson in "Home Improvement."
2009-01-13 19:45:38
244.   underdog
Is Von Wafer still mad at the Lakers for letting him go? He played like he had a grudge. Wafer and Rafer both helped keep the Rockets in the game.
2009-01-13 19:47:30
245.   Bob Timmermann
Wafer was given an 80 by scouts in grudges.
2009-01-13 19:47:33
246.   Marty
243 Yeah, another bad guy was Hector Elizondo
2009-01-13 19:48:00
247.   underdog
Oh. Wow. Kobe is unreal sometimes.
2009-01-13 19:48:16
248.   Alex41592
What a ridiculous shot by Kobe.
2009-01-13 19:49:09
249.   Xeifrank
Was it really a 27 footer?
vr, Xei
2009-01-13 19:49:28
250.   underdog
245 How do they rate his Grudge Obelisk, though?
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2009-01-13 19:53:49
251.   Alex41592
Just foul immediately so they never even have a chance to shoot a three.
2009-01-13 19:55:03
252.   Xeifrank
Luckily for the Lakers, Yao didn't have his thinking cap on.
vr, Xei
2009-01-13 19:55:08
253.   Alex41592
Rockets certainly screwed the pooch on that one.
2009-01-13 19:55:44
254.   Xeifrank
Ok, save your NBA Standings screenshots for another day. :)
vr, Xei
2009-01-13 19:56:24
255.   underdog
Lakers have won their share of squeakers as of late, but that's what good teams do. Okay, back to work. Let me know if I miss anything "scintillating" in the NBA TV postgame.
2009-01-13 20:02:39
256.   I Love LA
That was a ridiculous shot by 3 x Ocho, I thought they were headed for an L after that Shane 3 in the corner. Von Wafer went absolutely nuts tonight, that guy is a star waiting to happen. He has been playing very well in McGrady's absence.

How scary is this Rocket team going to be when they are healthy? Weapons everywhere, they were sans McGradt, Artest and Luther Head tonight.

2009-01-13 20:05:13
257.   Eric Stephen
There's a lot of unintelligible noise on NBA TV right now.
2009-01-13 20:25:22
258.   LogikReader
202 214

That's what I get for slamming the Celtics last week. Von Wafer scores a career high 23 against us? Wow.

The Lakers weren't at full strength either. Odom was playing his first game back from injury, Farmar is still out, Mihm is still out, Luke Walton is still out, and now Vujacic sat out due to back spasms.

In fact, I am really surprised the Lakers won. This is a huge win for LA, especially the way Kobe got that game winner towards the end.

I am not worried about the "lack of defensive effort" or any of that these days. They can definitely play defense with the best of them when they need to. I just think that it's a long season and it's all part of the ride.

I don't have those front row seats to the Cavs/Lakers game anymore, but I might consider going to the game anyway next week. DT trip?

2009-01-13 20:29:12
259.   I Love LA
258 - Lakers aren't at full strength but you cannot compare Walton, Farmar and Sasha to McGrady, Artest and Head. Odom was n't 100% but he still played which is better than Houston not having 2 of their starters. Also Mihm isn't out, he just sucks so he gets DNP.
2009-01-13 20:30:23
260.   Tripon
258 Adrian Wojnarowski argued the other day that the Celtics are already tired of KG busting their humps every day.

2009-01-13 20:31:27
261.   Jon Weisman

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