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April 8 Open Chat: To Shawn, Arizona
2005-04-08 16:26
by Jon Weisman

Shawn Green in an opponent's uniform. Doesn't exactly have the fever of traveling to Miami to see Shaq for the first time, does it? But still, an era ends, an era begins.

Objectively, the Dodgers have better uniforms than the Diamondbacks, don't they?

Tonight's Game

The Dodgers have used 21 players so far this season. Elmer Dessens (tonight's starter), Scott Erickson (Saturday's starter), D.J. Houlton and Paul Bako are standing by.

Comments (150)
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2005-04-08 16:39:56
1.   mountainmover
You should only say GOOD things about a person, once they are gone.

Shawn Green! He's gone. GOOD!

2005-04-08 16:45:06
2.   Dr Love
I was worried since Dessens was starting, but seeing that he's going against Estes, all is well. Dreck v Dreck.
2005-04-08 16:57:10
3.   Eric Enders
Objectively, my beer league softball team has better-looking uniforms than the D-Backs. And a cooler name, too -- Vandelay Industries.

Last night's game, IMO, featured the two best-looking uniforms in baseball. Much as it pains me to admit it, the Giants' home uniforms are the most attractive ones in MLB. And I think the Dodgers' road jersey is a close second.

2005-04-08 16:59:17
4.   Formerly R
When Shawn Green came to the plate, the Dodger Stadium PA people played that Blur "woo hoo" song. About mid way through last season, my buddy and I replaced the "woo hoo" with "4-3!"

I wonder if fans at the BOB will do the same.


2005-04-08 17:06:02
5.   BMny

I should say so. I've never been a fan of the purple-teal color combo a-la~ Hornets. Purple stripes just doesn't work for me.

Dodgers' Uni is classic! Especially, now that the road uniform no longer has player names on the back.

2005-04-08 17:26:26
6.   In Enemy Country
I for one am glad to see Green gone. That said he'll probably hit 40 playing on a no pressure, second division team.
2005-04-08 17:27:24
7.   Suffering Bruin
Eric, I hate to say anything good about the Giants but I'm glad I'm not alone in my opinion about their uniforms.

But since I can't bring myself to actually say the words... the Giants have uniforms that don't look terrible. That's as far as I can go.


Today's fact of Choi, SB's favorite player, 2005:

A message to our hero, in his native tongue no less...

³ÊÀÇ ´«ÀÇ °¡±îÀÌ¿¡ ÀÖÀ» °æ¿ìÀÇ °ø¿¡ Áøµ¿ÇÏ´Â Á¤Áö!

2005-04-08 17:31:53
8.   Jim Tracy
Dessens vs. Estes. Well they are both tremendous pitchers, upper echelon really, what's that Jim?

Oh, well they are both pitching in the major leagues. Do I think we can win this game? Well that would be an easy answer if the question was not so difficult. Do I look forward to seeing Shawn Green? Yes, I miss his swing-and-miss pirouette in the batter's box.

2005-04-08 17:32:09
9.   Jon Ericson
I don't know which abreviation is more annoying: LAD or LAN.

Speaking of the Angels, my wife thinks the new red uniforms are a real step down from the old blue and red.

2005-04-08 17:39:16
10.   In Enemy Country
Mike Krukow and Duane Kuiper have taken to calling the Dodgers the Lads during Giants telecasts. As if Krukow's raging homerism wasn't bad enough. Thankfully I got the Extra Innings package this year and won't have to listen to "Kruc and Kipe" (sp?) for my baseball fix
2005-04-08 17:42:58
11.   Paul B
Interesting. I've never thought the Giants uniforms to be particularly fetching. And not just because they're worn by the enemy (I think...but who can ever really know the depths of one's distaste for Barry and his boys?). They're fine, but the color scheme doesn't grab me. Dodgers, Yankees, White Sox, Tigers. Those to me are some of the great ones.
2005-04-08 17:43:17
12.   Suffering Bruin
#10, are you serious? The freakin' Lads??I'll have to catch the telecast if my blood pressure gets too low.
2005-04-08 17:43:55
13.   Eric Enders
For me, LAN is much more annoying than LAD.

And, SB, I had no idea Choi was a dolphin! (Marlin, yes. Dolphin, no. ;)

2005-04-08 17:47:09
14.   Suffering Bruin
Hey, I never said they were fetching. That would imply affectionate feelings! No, God no, a thousand times no! Not fetching!!

They're not terrible. That's it. Blog rule: no one ever gets to the use the word fetching and Giants in the same sentence. Let me be the last offender and let future offenders be subjected to spam mail from the "I love Barry" club. Thas is all.

2005-04-08 17:48:43
15.   Suffering Bruin
Aw man... did I use the wrong translator?

It's supposed to say in Korean, "Please stop swinging at the ball when it's around your eyes!"

Or am I missing something else?

2005-04-08 17:49:26
16.   Suffering Bruin
Eric that last post was for you, my man. What did I do? Why is Choi a dolphin?
2005-04-08 17:49:26
17.   Smirk
I love Dodgers home uniforms. Also, like the Cardinals. The redbird on the bat is pretty cool.

Anybody want to guess at Dessens season ERA? I'll say 8.45

2005-04-08 17:49:34
18.   fanerman91
Choi hits his first regular season home run as a Dodger tonight, assuming Tracy lets him start against the lefty.
2005-04-08 17:56:05
19.   Jim Tracy
Dessens ERA - 4.88 - Jim Colborn is a genius.
2005-04-08 18:11:25
20.   Jon Ericson
Re: #7

Maybe it's a browser problem, but that doesn't look like Korean to me.

According to , the message should be:
너의 눈의 주위에 공에 때 it's 진동하는 제발 정 지 !

2005-04-08 18:12:08
21.   Jon Ericson
Make that "According to". Sigh.
2005-04-08 18:16:44
22.   GoBears
No such luck, fanerman91. Kent is playing 1b, and Perez 2nd. Butt-splinters for Hee-Seop.
2005-04-08 18:18:21
23.   Eric Enders
Yeah, that didn't look like Korean to me, either.

"Blog rule: no one ever gets to the use the word fetching and Giants in the same sentence."

Let me try: "When the Giants visit Dodger Stadium, their relief pitchers will end up fetching many gopherballs hit into their bullpen by L.A. batters." That work?

2005-04-08 18:24:10
24.   fanerman91
MAAAAAANNNNNNNNNN. Choi's best chance to do well is if Tracy lets him know that he has at least SOME confidence in him.
2005-04-08 18:29:13
25.   Sam DC
The Wash Nationals finally have a TV deal, so some games, inc. tonight, are on local TV. The CIA is running recruitment ads: "Why work for a company . . . when you can serve your nation?"

I sort thought it should be, "Why work for a company . . . when you can work for The Company."

2005-04-08 18:32:46
26.   Jon Ericson
How about, "I was fetching a snack during the Giants' half inning so I missed them go down in order." Thank you sixth grade spelling homework!
2005-04-08 18:33:11
27.   FirstMohican
Re: #11

"Interesting. I've never thought the Giants uniforms to be particularly fetching. And not just because they're worn by the enemy..."

The enemy always has cool uniforms.

Cobra Command...
Any Super Villain...

C'mon... you knew that.

2005-04-08 18:34:08
28.   Jim Hitchcock
Does it say anything about signing a loyalty oath to our current leader to qualify?

Hold the fort...Shawn Green just grinned on live T.V.!

2005-04-08 18:42:32
29.   Albert in Hong Kong
look at tracy's lineup today:

izturis, SS
repko, LF
drew, RF
kent, 1B
bradley, CF
saenz, 3B
perez, 2B
phillips, C


2005-04-08 18:46:21
30.   Eric Enders

주위에 공에 때.

2005-04-08 18:47:19
31.   fanerman91
I don't like the line-up today...

Drew K's in his first at-bat. Still hasn't started to hit.

2005-04-08 18:50:28
32.   Albert in Hong Kong
double play. nice, izturis didnt need perez in that one
2005-04-08 18:52:46
33.   Jim Hitchcock
Tracy played Saenz on Wednesday because of his record against Rueter. Don't know his record against Estes.
2005-04-08 18:55:10
34.   fanerman91
What does everybody expect out of Dessens? If he can keep us in the game after 5 innings I think that's all we can ask for.
2005-04-08 18:56:30
35.   Albert in Hong Kong
saenz is 2-8, 2 Ks, 1 walk against estes in his career
2005-04-08 19:02:08
36.   Jim Hitchcock
In that case, it's strictly to give Saenz some time at third.

One dinger in three games...Are we ready for a flurry?

2005-04-08 19:04:30
37.   Jim Hitchcock
Hey, that's not what I meant!
2005-04-08 19:13:07
38.   fanerman91
Tracy apparently hit a bomb.

How does Saenz look on defense? Especially compared to Valentin?

2005-04-08 19:15:30
39.   Jim Hitchcock
He's made two plays effortlessly so far, one of them rather sparkling.

It was a bomb...hit the wall at 433 feet.

2005-04-08 19:20:44
40.   Jim Hitchcock
Now, a Jackie Robinson Action Figure I could understand...but a Jackie Robinson Action Statue?
2005-04-08 19:22:41
41.   ryu
Gosh, I guess I'm one of the only few who miss Greenie. He looks awfully out of place in the D'Back uni.
2005-04-08 19:31:06
42.   fanerman91

I saw Greenie with the DBacks on an ESPN2 game. He had an RBI single past the 2nd basemen. Then he grounded out to 2nd.

He wouldn't be bad here in LF or perhaps first if Choi really does end up sucking (of course I still hope he'll be good)...

2005-04-08 19:31:55
43.   BMny
Oh man, I just can't watch Drew's miserable slump, anymore. Is he 0 for 15 with 5 Ks now?
2005-04-08 19:39:34
44.   GoBears
That DP was instructive. Saenz to Perez to Kent. Vinnie commented that it was "a little ragged around 2nd base." And it was. Not fluid and acrobatic as it might have been with Cora. But ya know what? It worked. 2 outs is 2 outs.
2005-04-08 19:46:43
45.   GoBears
Or maybe "2 outs ARE 2 outs."
2005-04-08 19:49:18
46.   Nolan
What happened to giving Choi a chance to hit lefties? I mean, if we can't give him a look against a wash-up like Estes, when will he get a chance to improve?
2005-04-08 19:52:30
47.   GoBears
Didn't get to hit against Reuter either, who is a lot more washed up than Estes. I think this might be a point of contention between DePo and Tracy. And as I said a couple days ago, I think it could cost Tracy in the long run. Now, I don't mind platoons, and I don't mind getting Perez and Saenz into some games, but if Tracy is going to take a hard line that Choi doesn't start against LH pitchers, there's gonna be trouble. With a capital "T" and that rhymes with "C" and that stands for "Choi." Sorry. Channeling Vinnie. He made a "Music Man" reference during the Freeway Series....
2005-04-08 19:58:05
48.   T Money
I'm convinced - utterly convinced - that Drew's problems at the plate stem from his appalling lack of a stylish mustache, ala Valentin or Kent.

Who's with me on this one? Seriously, who?

2005-04-08 20:00:01
49.   Jim Hitchcock
I think some bootblack on the ol' hat would help.
2005-04-08 20:00:11
50.   kngoworld
Drew stinks!
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2005-04-08 20:00:17
51.   Berkeley Doug
Certainly can't argue with Kent's success so far this year. Although I still can't believe I'm rooting for someone who I watched for 6 years on the Giants. Am I the only one who is having this problem?
2005-04-08 20:01:17
52.   Jim Hitchcock
Platooning...not just for palookas anymore...
2005-04-08 20:01:25
53.   Jerry
Saenz wants that starting first base job.
2005-04-08 20:01:30
54.   Berkeley Doug
Go Seanz!!!!!!!!!
2005-04-08 20:01:42
55.   Tommy Naccarato

(I hope I spelled his name right!)

2005-04-08 20:02:10
56.   T Money
And just imagine how good Olemdo would be with a stylish mustache. Really, it boggles the mind...
2005-04-08 20:02:28
57.   kngoworld
Saenz deserves that job!
2005-04-08 20:04:48
58.   kngoworld
Everyone contributes but Drew
2005-04-08 20:04:53
59.   ryu
Wow, Dodgers and their innings. Now, time to test the bullpen.
2005-04-08 20:05:30
60.   Jerry
When Drew gets going, this offense is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
2005-04-08 20:05:45
61.   Icaros
B Doug,

After watching seemingly countless ex-Dodgers, from Jeff Leonard to Candy Maldonado to Orel Hershiser to Tom Goodwin, have success against LA for SF over the years, it's nice to experience the same thing.

Also, I can never forget Kent's hands around Barry's throat in the dugout years back. He was meant to play for this team.

2005-04-08 20:06:01
62.   GoBears
Re: #51: I'm having the same problem. His defense has really impressed me the last couple nights, and of course he can hit. But despite the fact that he and I were at CAL at the same time, I've never liked him.

Part of it is that I have the problem of blaming the player when he's overrated. Kent,esp. during his MVP year, has long been overrated. Kinda like Jeter. Both very good players, but not as good as the hype, so I resent it. When Kent won that MVP, and didn't seem ashamed of it (despite not being the best player on his own team), resentment turned to hate. Totally irrational, I know. But that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

2005-04-08 20:06:17
63.   Albert in Hong Kong
drew does stink

saenz HR probably didnt nearly match the distance of tracy's, kent base clearing double, now saenz HR, things looking good

2005-04-08 20:07:58
64.   kngoworld
Estes is done
2005-04-08 20:15:34
65.   Berkeley Doug

You also forgot ex-Dodger Dusty Baker when he managing all those teams. Does anyone know what the Dodger did to Dusty to make him dislike the Dodgers so much? I remember reading an article and he alluded to some incident which caused him to dislike the Dodgers after he left LA.

It is true you have to give Kent points for actually standing up to Bonds unlike the rest of the Giants, including their management. It just still seems so wierd seeing him in a Dodger uniform.

For all those worried about Drew, just remember that he has been a consistent performed in his career and he will get his averages in BA, HR, and RBI so we are due for good production from him.

2005-04-08 20:19:33
66.   Albert in Hong Kong
dessens just came out... wow did he pitch a much-better-than-expected game
2005-04-08 20:38:21
67.   Icaros
Don't forget Dusty's predecessor, Roger Craig (and his entire coaching staff), though his playing days were before my time.
2005-04-08 20:38:50
68.   Icaros
Nice pitch, Buddy.
2005-04-08 20:40:11
69.   yofan

HR ties the game....

2005-04-08 20:40:49
70.   Sam DC
Hope Koyie doesn't have anything to prove . . .
2005-04-08 20:43:35
71.   corey
I just had an epiphany. The Dodger bullpen sucks. Who are these guys??? Where did they come from?
2005-04-08 20:45:56
72.   Jim Hitchcock
It's time, J.D. (2nd try)...
2005-04-08 20:46:35
73.   Jim Hitchcock
Darn it!
2005-04-08 20:46:48
74.   GoBears
2005-04-08 20:55:21
Walkin the leadoff guy two innings in a row.
2005-04-08 20:58:35
76.   GoBears
"The Dodger bullpen sucks. Who are these guys??? Where did they come from?"

Well, remember that Gagne, Alvarez, Carrara, and Penny are all injured. With Dessens now starting, that means 4 RP slots for guys further down the depth chart.

2005-04-08 21:02:07
77.   Jerry
Tracy has done two very dumb things tonight. The FJT machine is going to get going tonight, I fear.
2005-04-08 21:03:48
78.   GoBears
Geez, is Glaus strong! He hit that a ton with just hands.
2005-04-08 21:04:42
79.   Albert in Hong Kong
argh. tracy made some really stupid decisions in that last few innings.
2005-04-08 21:12:58
80.   GoBears
"argh. tracy made some really stupid decisions in that last few innings."

Like what, Albert? I imagine one is the IBB to Gonzo. And I did say to my wife at the time "this seems like a bad idea," but then I generally think IBBs are a bad idea. And nearly every manager in the league would have done the same thing. So what did Tracy do that he'll actually get criticized for?

2005-04-08 21:14:31
81.   Jerry
Who would you rather face, Luis Gonzalez or Troy Glaus? It is a no-brainer a cadaver could make.
2005-04-08 21:15:29
82.   Jerry
My nerves are shot from all the 2004 comebacks, let's not start this again.
2005-04-08 21:16:30
83.   kngoworld
Its starting baby!
2005-04-08 21:17:49
84.   T Money
VALENTIN! My point about the mustache stands.

NOW who's with me?

2005-04-08 21:17:54
85.   Jim Hitchcock
2005-04-08 21:19:01
86.   Albert in Hong Kong
VALENTIN!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THIS GAME!!! (sorry, but the nba just stinks)
2005-04-08 21:19:09
2005-04-08 21:19:19
88.   DXMachina
Holy guacamole!
2005-04-08 21:19:23
89.   Albert in Hong Kong
this looks like last year, man !!
2005-04-08 21:19:48
90.   Langhorne
Didn't the Dodgers used to have a guy named Belter or something?
2005-04-08 21:19:54
91.   Steve
It's like the rain in Spain. Tracy screws up, and they save him in the ninth.
2005-04-08 21:20:30
92.   T Money
I'm guessing that both Valentin and Kent will get VERY nice receptions from the crowd on Tuesday's home opener.

God, I hope Bill Plaschke's watching.

2005-04-08 21:20:36
Vin: "the Dodgers, of course, would like to call Eric Gagne. But, in English or French, hes not going to answer."
2005-04-08 21:20:42
94.   ryu
holy cow.
2005-04-08 21:20:51
95.   kngoworld
Beltre who?
2005-04-08 21:20:54
96.   corey
Wow! this is crazy!

Uh-oh...who's going to close this thing?

2005-04-08 21:21:25
97.   Albert in Hong Kong
wow i was cheering so much that scully just fooled me, i thought he just said gagne was coming out

how many times did the dodgers face a loss on one strike this inning?? wow

2005-04-08 21:21:32
98.   Jim Hitchcock
Bottom of the ninth, hands covering my eyes...
2005-04-08 21:22:05
99.   Suffering Bruin

Valentin!! (And I thought Choi should've led off the inning instead of Saenz but I ain't complainin' now!)

2005-04-08 21:22:11
100.   LAT
I love the guy as long as he doesn't field or throw.
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2005-04-08 21:23:34
101.   Langhorne
Now we just have to sweat it out with Yhency. It's scary how many blown saves there have been already this season.
2005-04-08 21:24:06
102.   Albert in Hong Kong
cmon brazoban, this time it counts!
2005-04-08 21:25:20
103.   BMny
Is there a line to give Valentin a hug?!
2005-04-08 21:26:57
104.   Jim Hitchcock
Jerry, please pass the alka-seltzer...
2005-04-08 21:27:12
105.   T Money
Now THAT was a nice win.

Although Yhency sure didn't seem to be fooling anyone, huh? Must be the lack of a mustache...

Any update on when Gagne might return?

2005-04-08 21:28:20
106.   Langhorne
2005-04-08 21:28:28
107.   DXMachina
It's gonna be a long season.
2005-04-08 21:29:34
108.   Jim Tracy
Man, talk about playing in a weak division. This could be the story all season. Dodgers screw up, the other NL West team screws up much worse. Good win though.
2005-04-08 21:30:51
109.   Suffering Bruin
Well, my son is heartbroken as Shawn Green remains his favorite player and thus the Diamondbacks are his new favorite team.

We were Team Lazarus today, folks. Great, great win.

2005-04-08 21:31:50
110.   Jim Tracy
They won because these guys have chemistry!!!
2005-04-08 21:31:58
111.   Steve
I had 7-5 in the pool. Did anyone have 8-7?
2005-04-08 21:32:41
112.   Albert in Hong Kong

that made me laugh out loud, the irony

2005-04-08 21:33:18
113.   Nolan
Yeah, we haven't seen a high level of play from the NL West thus far but, on the whole, I think the division is better and will be better...

Anyway, great win. Way to go Blue!

2005-04-08 21:34:38
114.   joekings
It looks like Shawn Green is just as effective as he was last year. Great win tonight, and Valentin is now on pace to only make 121.5 errors this season.
2005-04-08 21:36:00
115.   Jerry
I think we've seen a high level of play from our team--the defense and (injury-ravaged) bullpen haven't been very good but our offense and starting pitching looks tremendous
2005-04-08 21:37:20
116.   Langhorne
Schmoll gets the win. I feel bad for Elmer. He pitched much better than I expected. I wish Counsel had gotten up one more time. His batting stance always gives me a chuckle.
2005-04-08 21:39:19
117.   Jim Hitchcock
Bob T's gonna be mad he missed this game.
2005-04-08 21:39:25
118.   joekings
Just when I thought my evening coulnd't get any better. Giants just gave up 8 runs to the Rocks in the 7th to fall behind 8-6.
2005-04-08 21:39:59
119.   LAT
SB, My daughter is in the same boat. Her 11th birthday is this week and at her request we are going to Sat and Sun games at the BOB. We are rooting for a few Green HRs and a Dodger win. Never been to the BOB-looking forward to it.
2005-04-08 21:41:25
120.   Jim Hitchcock
Be looking for you in the pool, LAT :)
2005-04-08 21:42:00
121.   Suffering Bruin
(snippet from my post at choicentral)

Hee-Seop is in hot soup.

The Dodgers had a great win but who led off the inning? Saenz. Against a righthanded closer. Now I grant you he hit a homer in his previous AB but let's turn the tables. Let's say Choi starts the game against a righty, goes one for three like Saenz and his last AB was a dong. Ninth inning, lefthanded closer on the hill... you think Choi bats? He does not.

Tonight was a great win for the Dodgers. It was, I fear, an ominous night for Hee-Seop Choi unless he starts playing real well, real soon.

2005-04-08 21:44:34
122.   Langhorne
I think our defense has been pretty good over-all. Kent has been solid. Tonight Saenz made a couple of real good plays to his left. I had no idea he could move so quick. Drew's bat is afraid but he's got a heck of an arm.
2005-04-08 21:44:43
123.   Jon Weisman
2005-04-07 20:10:16
# 111.  by EricN
Seattle, Washington (for school at UW), but back home to Culver City in the summer
8-7 Dodgers
Yeah I knew, but I am not proud of that.

# 130.  by ryu
1) Hong Kong
2) 3.80
3) 8-7 Dodgers
4) No.

2005-04-08 09:14:34
# 299.  by dagwich
1. Durham, NC (originally from LA)
2. This might be the dudester's career year: I say around 3.50
3. Dodgers win 8-7 tonight (Hey, I just won the office NCAA pool so I feel good about my picks)
4. I had no idea.

2005-04-08 21:44:52
124.   LAT
The D'backs are paying me to keep my clothes on.
2005-04-08 21:46:21
125.   Suffering Bruin
Uh, dagwich? Are you available via phone next March?
2005-04-08 21:46:34
126.   GoBears
I agree, SB. But a game like this, with Saenz coming thru and Valentin making Tracy look like a genius also means that Choi won't get the CHANCE to play well. Hard to do that from the bench. Hey, the platoon worked. Too bad for Choi, tho.
2005-04-08 21:46:38
127.   Steve
The Office Pool and the Dessens Pool!
2005-04-08 21:49:37
128.   Jon T
Odd choices by Tracy tonight... letting Wunsch hit for himself and the order he used the bullpen guys in confused me a little.

Yes we're 4 games into the season and he's only had 8 ABs, but the Valentin signing is looking better every game...

Is it just me or has Izzy's defense been a little subpar to start the year? I can't really put my finger on anything in particular - it just doesn't feel like he's playing as well in the field as last year. Thoughts?

2005-04-08 21:51:55
129.   LAT
The baseball Gods are watching out for us. First a come from behind win like that and then the Rocks down 6-0 come back and get 8 runs off the Giant bullpen. Boy their pen looks weak (except closer). Love to see them demoralized like that. Better hurry back Barry.
2005-04-08 21:52:49
130.   GoBears
Vinnie commented that Cesar put on some weight in the upper body - presumably by lifting weights. Maybe it has slowed him down a smidge. But he looked good on the unassisted DP, and on that short-hop when he crossed in front of 2nd base to make the play.
2005-04-08 21:53:45
131.   Suffering Bruin
Anybody left on the Nakamura bandwagon?
2005-04-08 21:55:28
132.   LAT
Yeah I am. Let Valentin PH.
2005-04-08 21:56:33
133.   T Money
I don't know, does Nakamura have a mustache?

So, have I driven this joke far enough into the ground? No? Okay, I'll continue with it then.

2005-04-08 21:56:49
134.   LAT
BTW, now Valentin is even: he lost one for us and won one for us.
2005-04-08 21:58:54
135.   Jerry
Valentin got redemption in that second game, so I say he's better than even.
2005-04-08 22:00:55
136.   LAT
Could be I spoke too soon about the Gods. Giants have 2 on in the 8th.
2005-04-08 22:02:02
137.   GoBears
That's a kinda narrow view of things, LAT. Valentin is way more than even. Last night, JV was 0-0 with 2 RBI and a run scored, and on base 4 times. They won 6-0, so maybe they didn't need that contribution, but by the same token, his 2 RBI tonight weren't any more important than, say, Saenz's. And his error in Game 1 would not have mattered any more than his error last night, if only his teammates had put more runs on the board.

Forgive me if the above missed any irony with which your post was intended. I figured I'd react anyway, just in case Plashke is watching.

2005-04-08 22:07:13
138.   LAT
The being even part was kidding. The loving him more as a PH was serious.
2005-04-08 22:09:58
139.   Jerry
Despite Jose Mesa's best efforts, the Pirates beat the Padres 3-2.
2005-04-08 22:23:52
140.   kngoworld
closers stink this year!!!!!!!!!!!! Giants win
2005-04-08 22:24:18
141.   GoBears
Wow. Grissom just hit a 3-run HR to win it for the Jints.
2005-04-08 22:25:58
142.   LAT
I am banning myself from DT. I jinxed the Giant game with foolish jibberish of the baseball Gods. Giants win in bottom of 9th. I suck!!!
2005-04-08 22:27:33
143.   GoBears
OK, LAT. You're banned until tomorrow.
2005-04-08 22:29:25
144.   timely2base
Valentin will make some more mistakes this season, fail to come through in some big moments. And he'll have many more big hits, be the hero in many games. He'll hit some more home runs. He'll let a ball or two go between his legs. He'll strike out with the bases loaded. He'll draw a walk to start a seventh inning rally. He'll make a game-saving defensive gem. He'll likely do all of these. For now, he's doing some nice things. If that stops, they'll make a change.

Long season.

I'll just appreciate today's game, thank you. A classic.

As for clubhouse chemistry, Tracy's done a wonderful job managing the disparate personalities and building one solid fighting unit. Winning has nothing to do with it. Uh-huh....sure...

2005-04-08 22:31:32
145.   Jon Ericson
I'm off the wagon. But I note that Nakamura is batting 1.000 in AAA Las Vegas.

We need to have Gagne back and maybe scale back to 11 pitchers.

2005-04-08 22:41:43
146.   Eric Enders
"Is it just me or has Izzy's defense been a little subpar to start the year? I can't really put my finger on anything in particular - it just doesn't feel like he's playing as well in the field as last year. Thoughts?"

I agree 100%, though with all the usual caveats about sample size and trusting your eyes. Izturis has looked a step slow in the field and has made several routine plays look awkward. Hopefully it's just a bad stretch.

He does look much bigger than last year. In general, bulking up harms your defense. Still, I'm keeping an open mind on Izzy... jury is still very much out.

2005-04-08 22:44:33
147.   timely2base
No need to get of the Nak Wagon. Hopefully he continues to bat 1.000 in Vegas, and he comes up when there is an opportunity. People may question the decision to have him start the season at AAA, but how nice is it to have the option to bring him up if we need help or an injury-replacement at first or third? He'll get his shot.
2005-04-08 23:21:46
148.   dagwich
Wow. My simulations actually had the game at 8.123 to 6.897 but I rounded to 8-7 (that's a joke, but the only thought was: integrating 2 kinda poor (on average) starting pitchers + 2 pretty good offenses= lots of runs). Since I'm a Dodger fan, the Dodgers win.

WRT the NCAA: Here in the Triangle (UNC, Duke, and NC State, with Wake Forest pretty close by) we take our NCAA bball VERY seriously. I watch a lot of ACC but not much other bball (still no cable/dish). UNC without a doubt had the most 1st round NBA players (the key to my "system") and I saw enough of them to know that coach Roy had the chops to get it done. Illinois, in my opinion, just didn't have the talent, but they certainly had "heart and soul". We saw who won...and, in some ways it is analagous to Depo's approach. Use available resourses to get the talent and coaching, wins will happen, and enough "heart" and "chemistry" will develop. In spite of McCants, that is exactly what happened with the Heels this year.

I should say that one year my wife started filling out a NCAA bracket and assumed that the higher number seed meant the team was better. I told her part way through that, no , a #1 seed is better than #16, etc. But she was the only one to correctly pick a #15 beating a #2 that year, and briefly led the pool. I've never heard the end of it.

2005-04-09 00:00:01
149.   Langhorne
Valentin is still learning the position so I think we can expect him to improve there. Of course, errors happen. Glaus is an all-star third baseman and his boot lost the game for the D'backs.
2005-04-09 01:12:33
150.   fanerman91
The prediction thing was fun. Let's do that every game. Then Jon can keep track of winners and stuff. Fantastic.

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