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Scott Erickson's pitching log since 2002, courtesy of Baseball Musings.
Hee Seop Choi is batting second; Paul Bako eighth. The Dodgers have no hitters in their lineup batting between .000 and .294; they have two hitters batting between .000 and .467.
Unfortunatley, I think most young fans will remember him getting into it with Chan-Ho Park.
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Today's fact of Choi, SB's favorite player, 2005:
Okay, the last two sucked but this one is pretty interesting, I think...
Only eight South Koreans have ever played Major League baseball. Four of them are active and three of them-- Byung-Hyun Kim, Jae-Weong Seo and Hee-Seop Choicame from the same high school.
All attended Kwangjui Jeil High and all played for the same coach, Sae-Hwan Heo. They were together for just one season, 1995.
"Back then, Kim and Seo were our top pitchers and Choi played first base and batted fourth even though he was a freshman. They played well, but who knew I was coaching three major leaguers-to-be!" Heo said in amazement.
Heo has said Kim was for the most part very shy with occasional outbursts of extroversion that could get him in trouble (Heo commented on this after Kim flipped the bird to Boston fans). Seo was the oppositehe had no problem expressing his feelings as evidenced by his demanding a trade from the Mets last season.
"The three players had one thing in common," said Heo. "They really worked hard. As a coach, I didn't have to motivate them. The only thing I had to do was just to watch them grow and improve."
Heo might be a little modest. He convinced Choi that he was better off with a bat in his hands instead being a pitcher, and he persuaded Kim to go from sidearm pitching to submarine. Seo was a natural pitcher from the moment he stepped on the field.
I have yet to find out how the 1995 team did. When I do find out, I'll let y'all know.
(most of the above came from this link: http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/sports/200303/kt2003032817153111620.htm)
My late LL coach is slapping Sae-Hwan Heo from high above...
I HATE THIS MAN! He should be prevented from commenting on the LADs. He doesn't even give a reason for why he thinks this. The extent of his baseball analysis is essentially "They got no hitting, they got no pitching, they stink." Thanks, Joe. Is that why they outscored the SF #$@%*s 18-8?
Jerry Crasnick: I'm not sold on the Dodgers just yet. Gagne is a little achy, there are questions about Choi at first, questions about the infield defense and whether the lineup can score runs consistently, and Penny still has to prove he can stay healthy. But Weaver's outing certainly was a great sign. I don't see anybody running away in that division, so it might come down to which GM can make the big trade deadline move.
I think that's a fair assessment. No?
I remain amazed that the smartest player I ever saw, Joe Morgan, is perhaps the industry's dumbest broadcaster. And that's saying a lot.
I agree. Generally I don't go crazy if the LADs don't go far. I actually like the Sysiphean battle and so did my mom when she was a Dodger fan in Brooklyn. But sometimes I want the LADs to win the World Series SOLELY to shut them up.
Was he then sold on some other NL West team before the season began or is this considered his pre-season analysis?
It's early, anybody could win the division... who cares what any talking-head thinks at this point?
Ok, my lack-of-culture is showing... I have no idea what that means.
No matter, I'm outta here, almost time for the game.
Just think, he might have been the Dodgers' manager a few years back!
Thank God for that twist of fate
Great squeeze by Erickson. Don't see that to often, going from second to third.
I am in heaven sitting here in Cincinnati, listening and watching Vinnie, on mlb.com.
40% of the pitchers that Choi has homered off of in his career are no longer pitching in the major leagues.
I'm a big believer in Choi, but I'm also happy to know that if it doesn't work out, we can put Kent at 1B and A. Perez at 2B.
Ledee just made a nice running catch on a hard-hit ball by Glaus. Glaus looks very good so far, except for yesterday's error.
WWSH
I can't watch the game because of it.
Sisyphus had it good, IMHO.
And if you replied that that is no excuse, I'm not sure you'd be wrong. :)
Erickson isnt fooling anyone. Yuck
#33 Dodgerkid, exactly what are you referring to? Romano lit it up last Spring and we sent him packing.
E - Izturis?
Who will be coming in to replace Erickson? It's only a matter of time.
(sigh)
Just 3 innings ago it looked like we had the chance for a laugher.
He lost his composure after that walk.
Today's line - 6 1 1 1 2 4 1.50
I don't believe it either!
It'll go the other way at some point during the season. It's special when everyone is hitting at the same time, but it's rare. I wouldn't consider it luck when some guys in the line-up are producing and some aren't. That's baseball.
We'll see about Choi, but barring injury, Drew will have a solid year, and if they can win when he's not giving anything, that speaks well for when he gets hot. I felt the same way about the Yankees last year when Jeter started so horribly.
I like this Carlyle kid. He's got a nice looking delivery and he works quickly.
Today's line - 6 1 1 1 2 4 1.50
I don't believe it either!"
Please sign somebody Japanese, or at least call up Nak. I'm in Tokyo and we used to get 2-3 Dodger games a week on TV with Nomo and Ishii making their starts. If Nak can become a regular, I'll be grinning ear to ear.
Defense really saved Sanchez's but.
it's true that the league has probably targeted choi's weaknesses, but i think the fact that he has them in the first place is probably due to his bad form, not due to any inherent inability. i'm no batting coach, but i think he's got some area for improvement.
by the way: how about that milton bradley. :)
Drew has made at least two outstanding defensive plays, and typically has a "cool" April at the plate.
Be patient....
Does anyone know if Drew "is allowed to" make diving catches in the OF? Did anyone see him make one last year?
"Does anyone know if Drew "is allowed to" make diving catches in the OF? Did anyone see him make one last year?"
One of the reasons that Drew was going to play center was so that he would not have to play the corners fences in the OF so as to not injure his knee(s?) Well, so much for that. He's playing RF, and Bradley was the one making the diving, difficult catch.
Are the umps widening the strike zone?
To continue Sam's tour of former Dodger doings. Today, the Nationals beat the Marlins 3-2 in extra innings. Paul LoDuca had a chance to win it in the bottom of the Ninth when, with the game tied, he hit a long long shot that sure looked to everyone like a homer. PLD thought it was a homer; he started trotting and pointing to the crowd. But it dinged into the wall and, because he wasn't running it out, PLD ended up at first where he was stranded.
The oddest thing is the quote from National's intense outfielder Jose Guillen (nee LAAngels intense outfielder Jose Guillen). Here are the opening grafs of tomorrow's article about the game:
Ryan Church backed up to the left field wall in the bottom of the ninth Saturday night at Dolphins Stadium, watching the liner sail over his head. "Please don't disappear," he said to himself. At that moment, Florida Marlins catcher Paul LoDuca put his finger up, pointing toward his teammates and the crowd beyond. "I thought I got it," Lo Duca said afterward.
Instead, the ball thumped off the top of the scoreboard "maybe four inches" from going out, Church said. Instead of the game-winning home run, it was the longest single of this young season. So in the top of the 10th, when Washington Nationals right fielder Jose Guillen stepped to the plate, he had a distinction to make. "Lo Duca is Lo Duca," Guillen said. "Guillen is Guillen."
"Lo Duca is Lo Duca, Guillen is Guillen." ??
(can someone tell me how to italicize comment text . . . thx . . . s)
(and I don't have the heart to do a post-Dodger update on Jose Lime, but it wouldn't be too pretty).
SF:
I prefer one man crews for baseball. Not sure what Monday adds to the broadcast.
I enjoyed Steiner on the national b'casts.
........ and now we got trouble.
Oh, and aaaarrrrgh. first and third with one out.
# 124. by al bundy
I wonder if there's a plan b for a closer until Gagne gets back.
Yes-his name is Mota and he plays in Florida.
And hurryng to get to Glaus just seems crazy.
Oh, Midwest, I didn't get that last post... what were you saying? :)
GOT HIM! (Glaus)
Back 2 back k's looking...hmmmm.
Even if that's not entirely true, it's nice to think so... Great pitching.
Steiner is really terrific. Granting it's a great game but his call of the triple was wonderful.
Hail Cesar!
Maybe less Monday is more Monday.
Better to be smart and not swing at garbage.
KENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENTKENT
And come on home, my man. Come one home...
Thanks, Milton!
And what just happened while I was typing was a bases clearing double by JK.
Cora woulda hit a grand slam. In a 17-pitch at-bat no less.
Drew hit a grounder to short. Izzy started towards home but Clayton threw to 3rd (instead of 1st). Izzy beat the tag, and everyone was safe.
this team is awesome.
Unbelievable.
Let me put this in language even you can understand.
Alex Cora is not remotely comparable to Jeff Kent.
Not. Remotely. Comparable.
Are you still with us, Bill? Are you still pining for for the days of yore? The days when the Dodgers went over a decade without winning a playoff game?
Yes, it's still early. But you wrote off this team after their first game.
Watch a few more games, Bill. You might be missing something special.
(The previous post was in 'Plaschke' style for his own comprehension).
Actually, I listened to the bottom of the 10th and most of the top of the 11th on the radio.
From Polka. Man, those pierogis were good. I'd kill people to get those.
So the first round of the Scott Erickson Experiment didn't go well?
Karros would have gotten that
HAHA! He wasn't '92 ROY for nothing.
Only Vin.
(or a major league game)
Pierogis are indeed dumplings. Mine were potato and cheese.
Normally I'm on a big Tivo lag but I'm live tonight. Can we reenact that group hug right now? I'm dying here.
Counsell or Schmoll?
Anybody else like it?
2/2 from the DBACKS=
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Successful road trip
1. Great catch(s) by Bradley
2. Is Penny ready yet?
3. Weaver can run but can't slide.
4. Izzy/Kent(.526) better than Izzy/Cora
5. Bradley a spokesperson?! Better attitude!!
Someone else pointed out that this is already a successful road trip. Better yet, we pulled out two wins from our two weakest starters. With Lowe vs. Ortiz, I like our chances later today (I watched this on the east coast).
The pen is pitching like a gasoline-soaked rag doll held together by masking tape right now, but hopefully the kids will begin to settle in.
WWSH
I've picked them to finish third -- at best -- in their division. I have real doubts about the Dodgers talent this year."
Joe Morgan, 4/8/05 chat
I'm actually paying for this as a premium service.
Get well, Gagne!
WWSH
Dodgers get 8 walks today. 5 of those guys score (actually 4, but one gets replaced in a fielder's choice) and one of the walks is an RBI.
Drew walks in the first. Comes in on Kent's home run.
Izturis walks home a run in the second.
Kent walks in the sixth, comes in on Ledee's double.
Kent walks in the seventh, stranded.
Valentin walks to start eighth...out in a fielder's choice...Ledee reaches safely. Saenz walks (Weaver pinch runs). Ledee scores on Izturis single. Weaver scores on Choi single.
11th inning, Choi walks with one on. Scores (along with Izturis and Drew) on Kent's double. Repko walks...stranded.
Arizona got more big hits than the Blue, they just didn't have as many guys on base when the hits came.
Some folks (amazingly, some professional sportwriters), continue to think too much is made out of walks and OBP. They'll have to come around sometime, but I hope the Dodgers can take advantage of that kind of ignorance in the short run.
http://tinyurl.com/52ghn
Today he uses 20 players and the pitcher stayed in the 9 hole the entire game notably with Yhency batting in the 10th.
So many thoughts on the game- I'll offer 3 notes...
1) How can you walk Counsell twice in the leadoff spot. Gag!
2) Yhency did not pitch Tony Clark well in the 9th. He threw him 4 fastballs at 96/97 until Clark finally timed it. At 2-2 Clark was looking fastball all the way and a slider would have fanned him easily.
3) How can anyone think that Bradley is not an amazing presence on this team? How many people misconstrued his outbursts as anti-team? Kent/Bradley are like smelling salt under the nose of this team that was sorely needed from '95-03.
I threw such a huge fit, I think my mother has still not forgiven me for it.
The worst part about that game was that it was one of about 7 games they absolutely blew in August and September ... and then finished just 5 games back of the Reds
WWSH
They say Gagne 'will not even play catch until "he is completely asymptomatic."' I'd gladly take a couple blown saves rather than see Gagne rush through things again.
Once Penny comes back, we should be in better shape. Dessens back in the bullpen will provide more relief help.
If we can last til our pitchers start coming back we should be in good shape.
This is starting to feel like last year. Loose the opener and win the next four. It's like deja vu all over again. I know they say that pennants aren't won in April but seeing as all but two of our games this month are against teams in our division it would be nice to start strong. If I remember last year we finished April five games ahead of S.F. That made a huge difference. Good night and thanks again.
Only 333 comments? We must be losing interest! :)
RE: "Oh what a beautiful morning! If there were corn growing in LA, it would be as high as an elephants eye...".
Sunday morning in Denver; a spring blizzard has ensued, there is a foot of snow on the ground with no end in sight... but the corn still grows tall!
I was particularly pleased with Yhency's 10th inning... between Glaus and Green I just knew for sure the game was over for the Dodgers... YB must be feeling like a million bucks. Ok, at least $325K anyway.
Even Plaschke has to give this team and DePo their due at this point.
Does anybody else think it might be a good idea to move Choi down to the 7-hole, hit Bradley second, and let Drew turn things around in the 6-spot (behind Valentin)? Seems like most of our rallies are coming from the bottom of the order; maybe flipping it around a little and getting Bradley on in front of Kent would be even better... though I'm certainly not going to argue with a 4-1 start.
In a game featuring lead changes, great fielding plays, and clutch hitting, Henson spends nearly a third of the the story regurgitating Erickson's last five years in the Majors.
Reads like he had the game story already written in case Erickson failed, and merely padded the story with beginning and ending facts about the actual game. Disgraceful.
Maybe GM had a point when they pulled their ads from the Times.
So, you start off with a theme that you think will be dominant, pray to all that is holy that the game won't end too close to deadline. You'll find as a rule that the coverage of day games is far superior to night games. You'll also find that the quotes guys get from the night games that run long were actually taken before the game.
It's a tough job. I'm sure with more time to write, Henson would've changed the theme of the game and concentrated on the play-by-play over Erickson's struggles. But I wouldn't be too critical of Henson because he and Brown seem to be the last sane voices writing about baseball at the LAT. When Brown isn't waving the red and white pom-poms, that is... :)
And reading the above 330+ posts this morning was pretty cool too.
Sorry I can't be as forgiving of the Times and Henson as you are. FOUR paragraphs of Erickson's stats from as far back as 2000 as filler is just lazy.
By comparison, Tony Jackson of the Star News/Daily News, working under the same time constraints wrote a coherent, complete report of the game, without relying on a preordained "agenda".
Izzy
Milt
Kent
Drew
Valentin
Choi
Repko
Phillips
Pitcher
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