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May 2 Open Chat: Memories of 29th Street N.W.
2005-05-02 17:00
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Tonight's Game

The two cities in which I have lived for the past 16 years meet at last. Here's my home from 1992-93, near beautiful Rock Creek Park.

The last non-exhibition game between Washington, D.C. and the Dodgers was ... ?

Comments (372)
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2005-05-02 17:46:17
1.   Eric Enders
...October 5, 1889, at National Park, future site of Griffith Stadium.

Washington 4, Brooklyn 1. Winning pitcher for Washington was Bill Dineen, later to become hero of the first World Series ever played.

This is the first ever official meeting in baseball between the cities of Washington and Los Angeles.

2005-05-02 17:46:36
2.   Eric Enders
Pretend that said 1899.
2005-05-02 17:47:46
3.   Linkmeister
I'll be darned. I lived ten or twelve miles away (in Annandale) a few light years earlier (1962-1968).

Non-exhibition? I saw a spring training game in (I guess) RFK somewhere between 1964 and 1966. Drysdale and Koufax were scheduled to pitch two weekend games, and I saw the Sunday game (can't remember whether either of them did or not).

2005-05-02 17:48:12
4.   Sam DC
For the first months of my marriage, fall 1997, my wife, dog & I lived in the Delano, 2745 29th St NW, just up the block.

Can you believe the Nationals TV deal is so kluged that the next two games are not televised in Wash DC (leaving aside extra innings)? I mean, I've known that the TV deal was weak, but I had no idea that weeknight away games v. moderately high profile opponents would regularly not be aired on broadcast or normal cable. Grrr. Wednesday, I believe, is on ESPN/2.

After five minutes on BB reference and retrosheet, and recognizing that I don't know diddly about using BB reference and retrosheet, I am wondering if the answer to the question never?

2005-05-02 17:52:07
5.   Sam DC
Aha -- managed to prove that I truly don't know anything about using BB reference or retrosheet. Bravo.
2005-05-02 17:56:51
6.   Johnson
The October 5th 1899 game was between the Washington Senators and the team known as the Brooklyn Superbas, later to become the Dodgers. Since Jon asked about "the Dodgers"...does that make the answer "never" after all?
2005-05-02 17:59:44
7.   Eric Enders
Google says 6 minutes from Jon's house to the site of the last Dodgers vs Washington game.

http://tinyurl.com/9kvtn

Probably traffic was less of a problem then, but maybe not -- the traffic was horses.

2005-05-02 18:00:26
8.   Johnson
Enders' earlier claim that this is the first official meeting between the cities of Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles is also incorrect - the 1961-1964 Los Angeles Angels played AL games against the Washington Senators (Mark II).
2005-05-02 18:02:31
9.   Eric Enders
"also" incorrect?

Anyway, doh! I still say the Angels don't count as L.A., Chavez Ravine or no Chavez Ravine.

2005-05-02 18:03:27
10.   Johnson
BTW - sorry to jump in like that, being new and all. I'm a Dodger fan, stumbled across this site towards the beginning of the season, found out you guys talk good baseball. Thought I'd register. So...Hi.
2005-05-02 18:07:43
11.   Jim Hitchcock
Howdy.
2005-05-02 18:07:45
12.   gvette
#1 "This is the first official meeting in baseball between the cities of Washington and Los Angeles."

Eric,
I'm sure that sometime in 1961 the Los Angeles Angels of Los Angeles played the Senators both at Wrigley Field, and at Griffith Stadium in D.C.

What's the over/under on how many times Rick Monday calls tonight's visiting team the Expos?

2005-05-02 18:09:08
13.   Jim Hitchcock
So, now that Steve Howe has left the building, is it safe to assume that if Frank Robinson goes for the nose, it's probably just a sign he's picking it?
2005-05-02 18:09:09
14.   Johnson
Sorry - "also" incorrect based on the presumptuous "the Superbas weren't the Dodgers" technicality in #6. Not really incorrect, though!
2005-05-02 18:09:29
15.   Sam DC
Anyone who points out I was right when I thought I was wrong is clearly a force for good.
2005-05-02 18:10:52
16.   Suffering Bruin
Hi, Johnson. Welcome and make no apologies for jumping in.

A few days ago, I posted this but not nearly enough people saw it, including the guy who supplied the information. So...

-----------------------------------------------

TODAY'S FACT OF CHOI, SB'S FAVORITE PLAYER, 2005:

This fact was provided by BIGCPA. I'm putting that in all caps, bold, because citing the original source of info has been a problem of late for certain members of the media.

Once again, from BIGCPA, who happens to be at the game tonight...

Two Saturdays ago, the Brewers' Russell Branyan became the 8th visiting player
to homer into SBC Park's McCovey Cove in 5+ seasons. This short list of
launching lefties includes our own Hee Seop Choi:

Russell Branyan 4/23/05
Cliff Floyd 8/21/04
Corey Patterson 8/7/04
Hee Seop Choi 4/30/04
Ryan Klesko 4/9/03
Luis Gonzalez 5/30/02
Mark Grace 5/28/01
Luis Gonzalez 9/23/00
Todd Hundley 6/30/00

Choi hit his bomb off of Kevin Correia.

Up to 8/30/04, the most homers into the cove by a Giant was of course Bonds. With a grand total of two, the number two Giant on the list was... Felipe Crespo.

2005-05-02 18:14:06
17.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Anyone else having a "network connection" problem w/Gameday?
2005-05-02 18:14:51
18.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
That should read "network congestion."
2005-05-02 18:16:00
19.   Eric Enders
I have an unfortunate announcement: I had to remove the Dodger logos from the Ghame Over shirts, as the printing company said they couldn't print them for copyright reasons. I had to replace the "Dodgers" logo with the "Los Angeles" script from the road uniform, and also had to remove the "LA" from the cap.

The shirts are being printed as we speak. However, if anybody wants to cancel their order because of this, I understand -- let me know and I'll refund your money -- enders((at))aol.com

2005-05-02 18:20:33
20.   Sam DC
Thanks for reposting, SB. I'm one who missed it. I've also been missing my Schmoll World's of late . . .

And by the way, did I mention that, even though the local National League team is playing an away game that happens to be at Dodger Stadium this evening (and tomorrow for that matter), the local broadcast station has three hours of syndication darkness: King of The Hill (2 episodes), Everybody Loves Raymond, Dharma and Greg, and an hour of Fear Factor. I mean, I love that kooky Dharma (TM), but something is seriously wrong with the world.

Thanks for listening.

2005-05-02 18:21:41
21.   gvette
SB,

Making that McCovey Cove list constitutes the sole positive accomplishment of Todd Hundley as a Dodger (other than getting paid for not playing). Let this be the only time that your guy Choi is compared with Hundley!

2005-05-02 18:22:33
22.   chumsferd
I didn't think the "Dodgers" would fly but I'm surprised they didn't do the LA. Would they do LA without the interlocking L and A?
2005-05-02 18:22:40
23.   Johnson
Re: Fact Of Choi

I remembered Hundley as being the first opposing player to "go Cove" but didn't realize that so few had done so. Amazing that Luis Gonzales is tied with the #2 Giant, and further amazing that the #2 Giant is Felipe Crespo.

Speaking of right field in SF, I remember going to a game toward the end of the tenure of Candlestick Park where I saw Hundley hit a massive pop-up. The second baseman started going out on it, then the right fielder started in. Then the right fielder started out, then he really got on his horse. Didn't matter as the ball ended up in the second deck. I don't blame the second baseman - that ball fooled the hell out of me, too. Ah, the winds of Candlestick...erm 3Com...if that's what they're still calling it.

2005-05-02 18:23:59
24.   Bob Timmermann
Random Dodger game callback

May 2, 1964

55,822 packed Dodger Stadium to watch Duke Snider to hit a game-tying home run in the 9th to send the game in to extra innings. This didn't really excite the crowd much, as in 1964 Duke Snider was playing for San Francisco and the Giants went on to the win game in 12 innings, 5-4, on an RBI single by Chuck Hiller.

Frank Howard had given the Dodgers an insurance run in the 8th against Giants reliever Bob Hendley with his second home run of the game, the first Dodger ever to hit two home runs in a game at Dodger Stadium. Howard hit SIXTH homer against Hendley in his last EIGHT times at bat against him (And Howard would homer off of Hendley again in San Francisco on May 9). But in the 9th, Dodgers starter Joe Moeller walked Willie McCovey to lead off the inning and then Snider lined a homer into the yellow seats in the right field corner.

Howard batted in the 12th with the tying run on base with one out, but grounded into a double play against Giants reliever Bob Shaw.

The loss dropped the Dodgers record on the year to 7-11. With Sandy Koufax missing part of the year, the Dodgers were unable to repeat their World Series winning performance of 1963 and the Dodgers slid to 6th place in the NL, 13 games behind pennant-winning St. Louis at 80-82.

The 1964 Dodgers featured two Davises (Willie and Tommy), two Millers (Larry and Bob), a Moeller, a Wills and a Willhite.

And in another story in the LA Times sports section that day, Los Angeles Angels players complained about how much they hated playing in Dodger Stadium and were eager to make the move to Anaheim. With Koufax injured, Angels pitcher Dean Chance won the Cy Young Award (there was just one awarded for both leagues then) with a 20-9 record and a 1.65 ERA that included 11 shutouts.

Several notable Dodgers made their debuts in 1964: Wes Parker, Jeff Torborg, Willie Crawford, and Bill Singer. On September 11, 1964 the Dodgers signed a free agent pitcher by the name of Don Sutton, who would make it to the big leagues the next year.
And on April 9, 1964, the Dodgers made a little-noticed trade, sending 1959 World Series hero Larrry Sherry to Detroit for a minor league outfielder named Lou Johnson.

Thanks to Retrosheet, Baseball-reference.org and the LA Times

2005-05-02 18:26:16
25.   Steve
My favorite Dharma episode was the one where she did all those wacky things. Which one was that one?

Meanwhile, with ten straight games against Colorado and Arizona = Dodger fan living in Utah Extra Innings Hell, I am putting the kids to bed early tonight. So I can watch Scott Erickson. Go figure.

2005-05-02 18:30:03
26.   Daniel Zappala
where in Utah, Steve?
2005-05-02 18:31:28
27.   Linkmeister
Lou Johnson was a WS hero in 1965, while Frank Howard ended up playing for the Senators.
2005-05-02 18:31:49
28.   gvette
Bob,
Good fortune for the 64 Dodgers and Buzzie Bavasi that Plaschke wasn't around to write a weepy column about how the Dodgers dumped their former all star centerfielder and team captain, only to have him get his revenge.
2005-05-02 18:35:24
29.   Daniel Zappala
Dagnabit. I'm visiting Canada this week and I thought I was in the Central time zone, but it is Eastern time here... so now the game doesn't start for another 45 minutes. I was wondering why I couldn't get a score yet.
2005-05-02 18:39:29
30.   Steve
Who's Kevin Correia?

If Adam Dunn played for the Giants, they would have to re-name their pond. Or ditch. Or puddle. Or fjord. Or whatever it is they have back there.

Payson. FJT is a Utah concern.

2005-05-02 18:42:02
31.   Bob Timmermann
Frank Howard played RF or LF, not CF.

It was odd that the Dodgers gave up their only power hitter to acquire yet another starting pitcher, but 1964 showed that you couldn't have enough even if two of the starters were named Koufax and Drysdale. And who was it who saved the Dodgers in the 1965 World Series after they lost the first two game? Claude Osteen.

2005-05-02 18:45:54
32.   Daniel Zappala
Kevin Correia was the guy the Giants called up when they released Neifi Perez.

I'm in Provo currently, Cedar Hills eventually.
Thankfully not anywhere near the mudslides.

2005-05-02 18:47:20
33.   Daniel Zappala
Oh drats, the Yankees just went up 6-2 against Tampa Bay. All good Dodgers fans love to see the Yankees lose to Tampa Bay. Heck, I love to see the Yankees lose to anyone.
2005-05-02 18:47:44
34.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Arizona has a Payson. Utah too?
2005-05-02 18:49:35
35.   gvette
Bob,
In my post #28 I was referring to Duke Snider, who was unceremoniously dumped by the Dodgers at the end of Spring Training 63 to the Mets, then later sent to the Giants.

Having seen Frank Howard play in the twilight of his career with the Rangers and Tigers, all you can say was that he was a born DH.

2005-05-02 18:50:28
36.   Steve
That's All-Star Neifi Perez to you.

All 50 states have a Payson -- they just call them different names sometimes. In California I believe it's called Turlock.

2005-05-02 18:51:54
37.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
I like - nay, love - Gameday but it drives me nuts how they list a pitcher's statistics by at-bats.
The (ugly) numbers of Erickson: 80 ABs, .300 BA, 6 HR, 8 BB, 4 SO.
Loaiza: 126 AB, .238 BA, 2 HR, 11 BB, 29 SO.
2005-05-02 19:09:32
38.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Leinart to Gagne for the ceremonial first pitch.
2005-05-02 19:10:43
39.   Daniel Zappala
I believe every city in Wyoming is Payson.
2005-05-02 19:14:03
40.   tomA
snazzy hats for the nats
2005-05-02 19:18:15
41.   Langhorne
I'm wondering if catching the ceremonial first pitch violates a penalty.
2005-05-02 19:19:32
42.   Bob Timmermann
I just got off the phone with my brother who was an usher at Dodger Stadium in the mid 1970s. Asked him about beach balls.

He said they were a problem then and he thinks the phenomenon started in the early 1970s. By 1977 (the year he started), the Dodgers had a long-established policy on what to do about beach balls.

1. Don't make a fool of yourself trying to catch them
2. Puncture them immediately

I told him about the recent incidents of rowdiness, but he said the crowds of the 1970s could be just as rowdy and fans would throw bottles at players then. Not sure what kind of bottles you could get at Dodger Stadium back then.

2005-05-02 19:20:34
43.   Langhorne
The Cardinals are looking Dodger-like in scoring seven runs in the top of the 9th to take a 10-9 lead.
2005-05-02 19:21:47
44.   Daniel Zappala
Vinnie obviously has been reading Dodger Thoughts tonight.
2005-05-02 19:22:30
45.   Sam DC
In Cincinnati, the Cardinals started the top of the ninth down 9-3 and ended it up 10-9. Yadier Molina walked, scoreda run, and then the second time around reached on an infield single/(or maybe an error), but was left on base. His folks must be proud.
2005-05-02 19:24:54
46.   GoBears
I was at the Hundley Splash Hit game. I think Crespo will be passed as soon as the Gints hire a LH power hitter not named Bonds. Everyone else in that lineup is right-handed, except for JT Snow, and he stinks.

Oh, if Gagne caught the ceremonial first pitch, is that another 2-game suspension for "participating in some way" in the game?

2005-05-02 19:27:23
47.   GoBears
Uh oh... Loaiza is dealing tonight. NICE late movement on those pitches.
2005-05-02 19:29:58
48.   Ben P
Hey Sam DC, the TV deal is even worse than you thought. Not only is tonight's game (like many Nats' games) not on broadcast or cable here in fair Washington, but they've also decided to black it out on Extra Innings! Does that make any sense to anyone? I'm so frustrated I can hardly stand it. Would it be that hard for the Extra Innings people to, you know, check and see whether a game is actually on another channel before blacking the game out? Unbelievable.
2005-05-02 19:32:26
49.   GoBears
I knew we shoulda replaced Erickson after the first. Tracy's playing with fire now, boy!
2005-05-02 19:33:30
50.   tomA
not inspiring confidence
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2005-05-02 19:34:42
51.   Sam DC
Whatever happens, going 3-0 to Guzman in this situation is just so wrong.

Ben P -- I feel your grumble.

2005-05-02 19:35:20
52.   Bob Timmermann
The last meeting between the Los Angeles Angels and the Washington Senators was on August 16, 1964. The Senators won 4-1 with Buster Narum getting the win over Don Lee. That game was at DC Stadium (now RFK).
The last meeting in L.A. between Los Angeles and Washington was on August 9 and the Angels won 6-5.

The Senators played at Dodger Stadium in 1965 against the California Angels. The last game in L.A. was on August 8, 1965 and Washington won 6-4 with Ryne Duren beating Ed Sukla.

If anyone tells you they were, be suspicious. Attendance was 5396 on a Sunday afternoon.

2005-05-02 19:35:30
53.   GoBears
Phew......
2005-05-02 19:36:22
54.   Bob Timmermann
That is "They were at the game"
2005-05-02 19:40:00
55.   Sam DC
My wife has just asked how "they" decide who gets which dugout. Not knowing, and being male, I opted to act as if I know and say that the home team takes the bigger/better one, probably the one that's closest to wherever they park their cars. Can someone give me the real story so I can 'fess up?
2005-05-02 19:42:03
56.   Bob Timmermann
I think the assignment of dugouts just depends on the architect. Obviously, they make things more convenient for the home team.
2005-05-02 19:42:19
57.   Ben P
...and none of the radio stations that air Nats games are coming in here in my basement apartment. Blah.

On a brighter note, Jon, I live in Dupont Circle but regularly wander up into Woodley Park because it's such a pretty neighborhood. I believe I've walked by your old abode dozens of times, since 29th Street is such a nice route.

2005-05-02 19:44:44
58.   regfairfield
Is there a specific reason that Bako is starting? Or is it purely to infuriate me?
2005-05-02 19:46:50
59.   Johnson
regfairfield -

Vinny seemed to say that Bako has done well against Loaiza - I figure we'll get the specifics during his first AB. Tracy seems to be a fan of matchups, so...

2005-05-02 19:47:10
60.   tomA
according to vin, he's had good success against loaiza
2005-05-02 19:47:13
61.   Sam DC
Thanks Bob.
2005-05-02 19:47:42
62.   tomA
doh! late!
2005-05-02 19:48:59
63.   GoBears
Matheny hit a GS? Wow - he got all this season's RBIs in one swing. Hope he enjoyed them.
2005-05-02 19:50:16
64.   GoBears
Kent has tied his shoes 122 times now, without breaking a lace.
2005-05-02 19:51:05
65.   Bob Timmermann
Bako is 4 for 11 in his career against Loaiza. Phillips has never faced him.

Updated for today Kent is 7 for 18 against Loaiza and Valentin is 4 for 18. JD Drew is 2 for 3.

2005-05-02 19:51:36
66.   Steve
Just another double play.

One would hope that what happened in Cincinnati would kill off the cult of Danny Graves forever...but I'm sure there will be no such luck.

2005-05-02 19:52:55
67.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, Paul Bako's real first name is Gabor?

Life's got to be tough for a boy named Gabor.

2005-05-02 19:53:49
68.   Steve
Russ Ortiz, welcome to Hell.
2005-05-02 19:54:02
69.   GoBears
Whoa - was Bako jogging in place there, or was he actually getting closer to first base?
2005-05-02 19:54:35
70.   regfairfield
Well, after doing some research, Loaiza and Bako have never been in the same league before.

Since 2002, Bako is 0 for 3 against Loaiza.

If he hit him before that, I'm pretty sure it would be filed under "small sample size." Jim Tracy does seem to have a hard time understanding that concept, however.

2005-05-02 19:54:57
71.   Johnson
Gabor?!? Beautiful. From now on, I'll be calling him "The Receptive Field".
2005-05-02 19:56:06
72.   Steve
Green Acres is the place for Paul Bako.
2005-05-02 19:56:54
73.   regfairfield
Dang, a little late on that.
2005-05-02 20:03:14
74.   Steve
I like double plays.
2005-05-02 20:03:25
75.   GoBears
Nice play by Erickson. Snuck out of another mess.
2005-05-02 20:03:44
76.   Bob Timmermann
I went through Retrosheet and I couldn't find the 11 ABs that Yahoo says Bako has against Loaiza.

Perhaps it's best not to know.

I thought it was going to be some sort of Frank Howard vs. Bob Hendley kind of thing.

2005-05-02 20:05:29
77.   Daniel Zappala
Yesterday for the Angels -- 2 hits and 2 runs versus Santana. Tonight for the Angels through 4 against Ryan Franklin -- 1 hit and 2 runs. They're getting more efficient!
2005-05-02 20:05:31
78.   Suffering Bruin
Man, I actually get to post here while the kid eats dinner. He's been busy fighting the dark side of the force on the PC.

Me likey the double play.

2005-05-02 20:06:08
79.   Steve
Steve Finley goes deep for the Angels.
2005-05-02 20:06:52
80.   Daniel Zappala
Oh, and the Angels scored on a two-run homer by Finley. I don't care what the numbers say about his decline -- I want him to do really well this year.
2005-05-02 20:08:29
81.   Daniel Zappala
I would also be extremely pleased if Dallas McPherson could hit. I really miss Glaus and this would help to make up for it.
2005-05-02 20:09:18
82.   Suffering Bruin
Vinnie: "The Dodgers trying to do it again, win while being outhit."

So... has any team won a championship while collecting fewer hits than their opponents? I'm sure it's probably happened.

2005-05-02 20:09:57
83.   Suffering Bruin
Also... is it "vinnie" or "vinny"?

Maybe just Vin.

2005-05-02 20:10:05
84.   Daniel Zappala
Did you know my grade school gave free Angels tickets for getting straight As? Nothing like bribery to encourage kids to study. But hey, that's how I got introduced to Bobby Grich and Rod Carew.
2005-05-02 20:12:38
85.   Suffering Bruin
Erickson has to keep us in it because Loaiza is dealing.
2005-05-02 20:12:46
86.   Steve
No gimmes tonight.
2005-05-02 20:13:29
87.   scanderbeg
Is it just me, or has Milton Bradley been watching a lot of third strikes go by him during the last couple of games?
2005-05-02 20:13:43
88.   Fearing Blue
I'm not a big fan of the easygoing Bradley who walks away from the plate on a called strike 3 before it's even called.
2005-05-02 20:18:20
89.   Suffering Bruin
Fearing Blue, I'm all for anger management but I kind of miss the Milton who would bust a bat over his knee.

I think the only article I read on Milton's anger management reported that when he does get angry, he goes to the dugout to let out a few primal screams, then gets back after it. Good for him, I say.

2005-05-02 20:20:36
90.   regfairfield
One more thing on Bako.

Almost all of his hits against Loaiza come from a game in 1998 where he went 3 for 3 against him.

So, a guy who has one hit in the last six years off of a guy gets the start for matchup purposes. Lovely.

2005-05-02 20:20:52
91.   Fearing Blue
SB, Yeah.. those were the days. It was certainly a lot more fun to watch and then read about the next day.
2005-05-02 20:22:15
92.   Steve
Were they all singles?
2005-05-02 20:23:01
93.   Fearing Blue
The 2003 / 2004 split they just showed on Loaiza makes me want to break my TV. I had him on way too many fantasy teams last year and Vin had to go and rub it in.
2005-05-02 20:25:31
94.   regfairfield
Steve, yes.
2005-05-02 20:26:00
95.   Steve
Loaiza is fortunate that he does not face a lineup of nine Gabor Bakos.

Erickson just tried to hit it over the pavillion.

2005-05-02 20:27:17
96.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
After about an hour and 15, we're through five innings. Speedy.
2005-05-02 20:27:21
97.   Bob Timmermann
Bako came into the season with a .331 SLG so it's safe to assume that most of his hits are singles.
2005-05-02 20:29:23
98.   Sam DC
How's Yerevan doing this year?
2005-05-02 20:30:14
99.   KAYVMON
I have to go to drink and Karaoke (how is that spelled?) so I will say this now: If we win this game its a testament to our patient hitting considering that we have one hit but Loaiza (how is that spelled?) has thrown 80 pitches through 5. In a battle of bullpens I like our chances against anyone even without the guy from Montreal.
2005-05-02 20:30:36
100.   JSN
I remember reading somewhere that Bradley was looking at more called third strikes because he's trying to be more patient at the plate, walk more, etc. I believe I read it earlier today in the new SI, there is a Dodger article.
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2005-05-02 20:31:26
101.   Steve
First pitch swinging...we know better than that! Right, guys!
2005-05-02 20:33:36
102.   Bob Timmermann
Steve Finley is not dead. He has a 2-run homer for the Angels tonight in Seattle.

The Angels are finishing the traditional New York-Minneapolis-Seattle trip that is up there with the Milwaukee-San Diego-Denver trip that the Dodgers had.

At least the Angels get to keep going the same direction.

2005-05-02 20:34:53
103.   Steve
AAAYYYYYYYYYYYIEEEEEEEEEE! Izzy.
2005-05-02 20:36:50
104.   Steve
And that at-bat, in a nutshell, is why I'm still not climbing on Plaschke's Izturis bandwagon.
2005-05-02 20:38:26
105.   Sam DC
Robinson's a good one for leaving his pitchers in too long, including Loaiza's last game where he pitched 8 scoreless innings, got a standing O at the end of eight because the crowd assumed he was done, then came right back out in the Ninth and gave up a leadoff homerun to Jimmy Rollins. Yes, Jimmy Rollins.
2005-05-02 20:39:16
106.   JSN
HSC you da man.
2005-05-02 20:39:22
107.   the OZ
Does Loaiza remind anyone else of a taller Giovanni Carrara?

Not in appearance, but in delivery/repetoire/pitch movement?

2005-05-02 20:39:29
108.   GoBears
Ouch, Sledge might have just blown his knee out. My surgically repaired knee hurts just looking at him.
2005-05-02 20:40:37
109.   brandesh
Re: #55
Home team traditionally gets the 3rd base dugout.
2005-05-02 20:40:37
110.   scanderbeg
Did Choi's double go off the wall (following through Gameday)?
2005-05-02 20:41:33
111.   Odysseus
Vin: "It's getting where you expect iambic pentameter."

What other baseball announcer, or sports announcer, for that matter, would give us this?

2005-05-02 20:41:48
112.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Sledge's fall looked awful.
2005-05-02 20:41:54
113.   Jim Hitchcock
That's why I love Vinny...
2005-05-02 20:42:02
114.   JSN
Gotta love Vin for saying iambic pentameter on television. I'd love to hear one of the awful Angel's announcers try to spit that out...
2005-05-02 20:42:10
115.   Steve
No, it landed in the gap, and the left fielder probably blew out his knee overrunning it and trying to stop quickly to field it. Less painful to watch than Nomar, but it looks just as bad.

Now that is respect. Won't even throw him a 3-1 pitch.

2005-05-02 20:42:21
116.   Odysseus
110, Termeal Sledge fell down and hurt himself.
2005-05-02 20:42:29
117.   JSN
Oops I was too late..
2005-05-02 20:42:29
118.   Sam DC
Is Sledge really hurt? Reliever Joey Eischen broke his arm on the field last . . . it was pretty ugly.
2005-05-02 20:43:23
119.   Steve
Why do we keep giving away outs like this?
2005-05-02 20:43:36
120.   Fearing Blue
#108: Yeah, it sucks for anyone to be injured. That play looked painful. Sledge had body parts flying in every which direction.

#110: Choi's double went to the wall, but not on the fly. It got past Sledge when he got injured.

2005-05-02 20:43:47
121.   scanderbeg
Thanks
2005-05-02 20:43:58
122.   Steve
Sam, Sledge is very badly hurt, in my non-medical, watching on TV opinion.
2005-05-02 20:44:19
123.   Mark
114, Rex Hudler quote: "Hey that iambic pentameter is such a fierce hitting dude! Hey, where's my stash?"
2005-05-02 20:44:36
124.   Icaros
Why do they do that every time they score a run? I swear, the team baserunning is maddening at times.

aggression=stupidity

2005-05-02 20:45:04
125.   Jim Hitchcock
The best part, JSN, was they way he went "whaaaat?"
2005-05-02 20:45:19
126.   Johnson
Sounds bad for Sledge. I wish him the best. Did Drew make the right call trying to go to third, or was that a mistake? (I'm on radio, so...)
2005-05-02 20:45:20
127.   Daniel Zappala
Gotta love the crowd cheering for Choi after his early season troubles and bad press.
2005-05-02 20:45:28
128.   the OZ
"Pentameter. Plays the game the right way. Pulled that ball over to second base and advanced the runner to third."
2005-05-02 20:45:32
129.   Jon Weisman
For those who weren't watching, Drew tried to go from second to third when Wilkerson overthrew the cutoff man on Kent's single, but Loaiza caught the ball between the mound and home and threw Drew out.
2005-05-02 20:46:21
130.   JSN
123: Now that's funny.
2005-05-02 20:46:36
131.   Steve
Mistake. Pitcher was standing right there to cut the throw. Choi was scoring standing up.
2005-05-02 20:47:23
132.   Fearing Blue
#124: I guess the theory is that you give up the out at third to guarantee the run at the plate. Nonetheless, I wish they wouldn't do that quite so often.

With Vin's references to grammatical structures and all, he would fit in pretty well here. Someone send him a link.

2005-05-02 20:47:47
133.   JSN
And then "Well go ask your Dad."
2005-05-02 20:47:50
134.   GoBears
#126: Well, watching the play, I thought the throw was to the plate. But it was so off-line, that the pitcher cut it off and fired it to 3rd. Probably a dumb play, since he was in scoring position anyway.
2005-05-02 20:48:43
135.   capdodger
Poor Slege looked like cars driving around Dupont Circle in freezing rain. Lots of slipping and sliding before the inevitable crash.
2005-05-02 20:49:04
136.   Odysseus
Aggression isn't necessarily bad. It's a matter of calculating the risks and rewards. For instance in Moneyball, it is made clear that stealing bases isn't bad per se, it's just that you have to have a high SB-CS ration in order for it to be a good idea to attempt to steal.

Was it a good idea to try to go to third in that particular instance? In hindsight, obviously not, but I'd have to watch the replay a couple more times to be sure.

2005-05-02 20:49:30
137.   jtshoe
Drew wanted to get in the dugout. His favorite tv show was on and the had just ordered a pint of his favorite ice cream.
2005-05-02 20:49:41
138.   Steve
You have to assume we've got guys up in the bullpen. Right? RIGHT??!!!!
2005-05-02 20:49:42
139.   Jim Hitchcock
Yank him.
2005-05-02 20:49:49
140.   Bob Timmermann
RED ALERT! RED ALERT!

GET ERICKSON OUT!

RED ALERT! RED ALERT!

THIS IS NO DRILL!

2005-05-02 20:49:52
141.   Icaros
Yeah, lets give up an out to ensure a one-run lead for Scott Erickson.
2005-05-02 20:49:54
142.   Fearing Blue
Letting Erickson pitch in the 7th is certainly playing with fire. The guy already had to sell his soul to the devil to make it through 6 unscathed.
2005-05-02 20:49:58
143.   the OZ
I'm curious as to Schmidt's velocity. Can anyone flip to the Giants/DBacks game and report?
2005-05-02 20:50:30
144.   tomA
they should get someone up in the pen right now
2005-05-02 20:51:35
145.   Bob Timmermann
It's the top of the inning in Arizona. I'll report back later.
2005-05-02 20:51:57
146.   tomA
dang, really late today...
but i think we'll break the magic 200 post threshold
2005-05-02 20:52:20
147.   Steve
Icaros, I was just going to write almost that exact same sentence, then erased it because you wrote it instead.

And Tracy had better come get Erickson after he walks Castilla, or there is going to be a problem.

2005-05-02 20:52:30
148.   Johnson
OZ - Schmidt's not out there right now, Giants are at bat. Can't say yet.
2005-05-02 20:52:36
149.   Jon Weisman
Okay, everyone - Schmoll and Wunsch warming.
2005-05-02 20:52:40
150.   Mark
That's it, he's done.
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2005-05-02 20:53:16
151.   Fearing Blue
It will be sad when Schmoll gets sent down and Vin can't refer to the bookends in the bullpen any longer.
2005-05-02 20:53:19
152.   Icaros
Who's in the pen? Anyone?
2005-05-02 20:53:27
153.   Daniel Zappala
Erickson has thrown only 71 pitches. Like you, I say get him out while you're ahead ... but Tracy is likely thinking he's got a couple more innings in him.
2005-05-02 20:53:28
154.   Steve
Maybe they'll bunt, and give us an out, and buy us more time to warm up Schmoll.
2005-05-02 20:53:43
155.   Bob Timmermann
If Tom Ridge were the pitching coach, he'd be telling us to buy duct tape about now.
2005-05-02 20:53:45
156.   Icaros
Thanks, Jon.
2005-05-02 20:53:53
157.   Jon Weisman
Regarding the Drew play, the throw was so offline that I can understand why he thought he should advance - except that he should have been able to spot Loaiza with a quick glance, since he was hesitating to watch the throw.
2005-05-02 20:54:01
158.   Odysseus
eek, don't leave him in!
2005-05-02 20:54:12
159.   Jim Hitchcock
Well, I'm all for us being wrong in hindsighr...
2005-05-02 20:54:26
160.   tomA
ugh!
2005-05-02 20:54:30
161.   capdodger
Ok... Is he coming out yet? This has got to be his last batter.
2005-05-02 20:54:35
162.   Bob Timmermann
Umm, Scott, you know, you're supposed to field those things.

They're called bunts.

2005-05-02 20:54:50
163.   Steve
WHERE IS VALENTIN GOING?! They try to give us that gift out and we won't even take it? And Erickson is STILL NOT COMING OUT?
2005-05-02 20:55:26
164.   Icaros
FJT! FJT! FJT!
2005-05-02 20:56:14
165.   Bob Timmermann
Carlos Baerga vs. Scott Erickson would have been an intriguing matchup in 1994.
2005-05-02 20:56:16
166.   Icaros
And still he is left in to pitch.
2005-05-02 20:56:37
167.   capdodger
Agreed Steve... His control is shot.

Let's hope for a GIDP now.

2005-05-02 20:56:48
168.   Odysseus
Carlos Baerga!? I thought for sure he was selling life insurance in Peoria by now.
2005-05-02 20:56:50
169.   Steve
Just field the bunt and throw it to first. For crying out loud, the eighth and ninth hitters are coming out AND MAYBE YOU COULD BRING SOMEONE IN OTHER THAN SCOTT ERICKSON TO GET THEM OUT!
2005-05-02 20:57:02
170.   Icaros
I guess Schmoll and Wunsch are just out there to get some work in.
2005-05-02 20:57:28
171.   Steve
And the Umpire gives Erickson the equivalent of a gold watch strike.
2005-05-02 20:58:06
172.   Icaros
Well, it's a good sign that Erickson keeps missing up in the zone. Nothing dangerous about that.
2005-05-02 20:58:15
173.   Bob Timmermann
The umpire is distracted by Baerga's gut. That is one heck of a beer belly he's got.
2005-05-02 20:58:28
174.   Daniel Zappala
Now is the time for that old fake to first, throw to third move I bet.
2005-05-02 20:58:58
175.   Steve
It's counterintutive pitching. It's all the rage.
2005-05-02 20:59:16
176.   LAT
I just got home. I'm not sure which is more stunning: letting Mr. Lisa still pitch or Matheny hitting a GS for SF. Both are revoltin' developments.
2005-05-02 20:59:33
177.   capdodger
174: Good Call.
2005-05-02 20:59:46
178.   Fearing Blue
#174: Good plan.. I'm sure it will get them this time. Doh!
2005-05-02 20:59:54
179.   Daniel Zappala
The improbability drive will have to be working overtime for Erickson to get out of this one.
2005-05-02 21:00:00
180.   Icaros
Great.
2005-05-02 21:00:44
181.   Jim Hitchcock
Finish your nap, did'ya, Tracy?
2005-05-02 21:00:50
182.   Odysseus
This really is Tracy's Achilles heel. He seems to leave a starter in too long roughly three times a week.
2005-05-02 21:00:51
183.   Icaros
Not so bad, only left him in five batters too many.
2005-05-02 21:01:25
184.   Steve
GEE, LOOK AT THAT HE HUNG IT! Amazing. What amazing powers of prediction Icaros and I have.

Tracy, just take yourself out. Just take Erickson, get in whatever car you drive, and just leave.

2005-05-02 21:01:32
185.   Daniel Zappala
Oh, we all forgot. Tracy was using the time-honored "I'll leave him in until he proves he has to come out by giving up the lead" theory of pitching changes.
2005-05-02 21:01:48
186.   the OZ
"The Manager should really get him out of there...what? I AM the Manager? Crap. I'll be right back."
2005-05-02 21:02:02
187.   GoBears
He pulled Lowe early, tho later said Lowe was feeling ill.
2005-05-02 21:02:07
188.   Ben P
Ichiro just made an absolutely ridiculous catch. He put his right foot up on the wall, pulled himself up to the top with his right hand, and literally held himself up there for about a second before making the catch and robbing Anderson of a HR. Unbelievable.
2005-05-02 21:02:24
189.   Fearing Blue
Tracy pulled Erickson just in time. What do you guys think?

Unfortunately, there's just no way to get across my true venom and sarcasm in text.

2005-05-02 21:03:54
190.   Steve
Words cannot express my rage right now.
2005-05-02 21:04:05
191.   Icaros
Wish Wunsch hadn't been served so late.
2005-05-02 21:04:14
192.   joekings
Why did he even start the inning?
2005-05-02 21:04:22
193.   capdodger
Wunchtime: That would have been nice a batter ago.
2005-05-02 21:04:26
194.   Daniel Zappala
Gameday needs a new copy editor. All it said was the ubiquitous

"Garret Anderson flies out to right fielder Ichiro Suzuki"

2005-05-02 21:04:56
195.   JSN
I've pulled out roughly one quarter of my nice head of hair in the last 10 minutes.
2005-05-02 21:05:44
196.   Bob Timmermann
Flipped over to AZ-SF. In the 7th Schmidt was throwing 82 MPH on curves and hit 90 on a fastball.
2005-05-02 21:06:22
197.   the OZ
We're lucky to have only given up 2.
2005-05-02 21:06:23
198.   Sam DC
Re 109 -- Thanks. I do think the home time is not invariably on the third base side, though. At Camden Yards, I'm pretty sure the Orioles are behind first.
2005-05-02 21:06:27
199.   tomA
what, having wunsch/schmoll warming up to start the inning would have hurt erickson's feelings?
2005-05-02 21:06:41
200.   Ben P
Daniel, stay up for Sportscenter to see the Ichiro catch. It's worth it.
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2005-05-02 21:06:50
201.   Steve
I can't even believe what just happened.
2005-05-02 21:07:06
202.   Odysseus
Good thing Tracy didn't, you know, bring Wunsch in earlier. I'd hate for him to strike guys out and prevent runs from coming in.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

2005-05-02 21:08:05
203.   Icaros
Good thing we have Wunsch to preserve the one-run lead...oops, deficit.
2005-05-02 21:08:18
204.   Daniel Zappala
Ben -- unfortunately I'm in Canada this week and they don't have ESPN at my hotel. I may have to wait for the MLB highlights tomorrow.
2005-05-02 21:09:03
205.   capdodger
Tracy sure did put Erickson in a position to suceed that inning.
2005-05-02 21:09:42
206.   Icaros
Steve, how can you not believe it?

Without games like this, you'd be out of business.

2005-05-02 21:09:54
207.   Steve
See Icaros footnote 172.

But I still don't understand what you see in Valentin.

2005-05-02 21:10:02
208.   Odysseus
So how many harmless television sets have to die at DePodesta's hands as a result of Tracy's stupidity?

Or does he not emulate all of Beane's mannerisms?

2005-05-02 21:10:58
209.   Bob Timmermann
DePodesta said in an interview that he doesn't watch the game when the Dodgers are in the field.
2005-05-02 21:11:33
210.   Daniel Zappala
The funny thing is ... we all would've been happy to have Erickson throw 6 innings and give up only two runs at the start of this evening.

I wonder if the average fan would tend to blow out a bullpen over the course of a season.

2005-05-02 21:11:53
211.   GoBears
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. That was maddening!
2005-05-02 21:12:02
212.   Odysseus
Robinson is supposedly a bad manager. Even he knows not to leave Loaiza in...
2005-05-02 21:12:21
213.   Jerry
I can't believe Erickson was left in after he almost took Castilla's head off with ball 4. His body language screamed that he had nothing left and wanted out.
2005-05-02 21:13:53
214.   Ben P
Steiner just suggested that Valentin's hitting has been suffering because he's been working so hard on his defense. Unfortunately, I'm not too confident he's going to snap out of this. Valentin's hitting .197 right now, but he hit just .216 last year and .237 the year before. This may not be a slump for him, it may be regression to the mean.
2005-05-02 21:15:05
215.   Jerry
#214 - You're almost certainly correct. Valentin wasn't expected to work any miracles. We paid him to hit .220 and 20 home runs.
2005-05-02 21:15:12
216.   Icaros
But I still don't understand what you see in Valentin.

You'll hate him less when he goes on another tear. And if you can find me one available 3B who would be a lot better, I'll change my tune.

Before I hear the B word from anyone, see my post in last night's thread.

2005-05-02 21:15:27
217.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Choi saves a double.
2005-05-02 21:16:34
218.   Icaros
I wonder if the average fan would tend to blow out a bullpen over the course of a season.

It's hard to blow out a bullpen that's 20 pitchers deep.

2005-05-02 21:17:17
219.   JSN
Come on Schmollster!!!
2005-05-02 21:17:35
220.   Jon Weisman
Great freakin' play by Izturis.
2005-05-02 21:17:40
221.   tomA
wow!
2005-05-02 21:17:43
222.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Sweet! And no one was more surprised than Schmoll.
2005-05-02 21:17:43
223.   Jerry
What a play.
2005-05-02 21:17:44
224.   JSN
HECK YES!!!! Vidro thrown out at second...
2005-05-02 21:17:50
225.   the OZ
I don't think Izturis tagged him...
2005-05-02 21:18:20
226.   Steve
But that's precisely the point. Were you expecting a complete game shutout out of Scott Erickson? Of course not. You go into the game realizing you're going to get six innings out of Scott Erickson if you're lucky. So the bullpen is ready when Erickson starts looking like toast. Which he did. Very early in the inning.

And that doesn't even start with whatever that retarded broken play was on the bunt. They're giving you an out. Particularly if you're planning on leaving a guy in who is doing nothing but throwing balls and hanging breaking balls. Those mighty shots he was about to give up weren't really going to care which bases those runners were standing on.

Wow! He got him alright! What a play!

2005-05-02 21:18:51
227.   Fearing Blue
#225: I'm pretty sure he nicked an arm hair or two ;)
2005-05-02 21:18:55
228.   Icaros
Is it too much to ask for another DP now?
2005-05-02 21:18:59
229.   GoBears
On the replay, it looked like he got him. What a great play by Little Squeezer.
2005-05-02 21:19:06
230.   Bob Timmermann
It looked like Izturis got him at full speed. I couldn't tell on the replay as definitively. The ball definitely beat Vidro to second.
2005-05-02 21:20:18
231.   Odysseus
Does Robinson feel the need to argue every call?
2005-05-02 21:20:26
232.   joekings
would it kill choi to actually throw the ball in that situation.
2005-05-02 21:20:51
233.   Bob Timmermann
Don Buford is the first base coach? Who else from the old Orioles is Robinson going to dig up? Davey Johnson? The corpse of Mark Belanger?
2005-05-02 21:21:22
234.   JSN
Great effort by Schmoll. I really like that guy. I really wish he could stay on the 25 man roster longer then he will...
2005-05-02 21:21:23
235.   Icaros
And that doesn't even start with whatever that retarded broken play was on the bunt.

I think you're supposed to call it a "disabled" broken play these days.

2005-05-02 21:21:26
236.   Fearing Blue
Nice play by Schmoll to find the bag on that one. I thought it deserved an overhand / sidearm toss by Choi instead of the flip, but it worked out in the end.
2005-05-02 21:21:57
237.   JSN
And he promptly gives up a run....dang.
2005-05-02 21:22:09
238.   Daniel Zappala
Steve, yes, and I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here. But if the Dodgers didn't think Erickson could go 7 when he throws only 71 pitches through 6 ... they wouldn't have him on the roster.

Granted, maybe that's the solution. :-) I'm just trying to shed light on what they're thinking.

2005-05-02 21:22:18
239.   Steve
I don't know the B word. I live in Utah.

Icaros, you are exactly right. We carry 37 pitchers. Might as well use them. Charity softball can't be that taxing.

This is some kind of inning. And Church was out. Good call, Blue.

And Tracy can come get Schmoll any time too.

2005-05-02 21:22:25
240.   Icaros
Would've been better if I'd gotten my DP.
2005-05-02 21:23:37
241.   the OZ
It's OK, Schmoll will get a chance to redeem himself leading off the 8th :)
2005-05-02 21:23:42
242.   LAT
dbacks just tied game 7-7.
2005-05-02 21:23:44
243.   Ben P
Even with Valentin's slump, he's still out-OPSing Beltre .747-.620. for about 1/4 the price.
2005-05-02 21:24:21
244.   Icaros
LOL #241
2005-05-02 21:24:32
245.   Steve
Well, now they know he can't I suppose. He was going to get creamed for exactly the reason Icaros gave. It was obvious.
2005-05-02 21:24:35
246.   the OZ
Tony CLark ties it with a bases loaded double against the Giants...7-7.
2005-05-02 21:25:28
247.   Fearing Blue
Phew.. it's a good thing they're warming up Carlyle to relieve Schmoll. Umm.. Carlyle? Shouldn't he be out getting coffee for the real relievers or something?
2005-05-02 21:25:28
248.   Steve
Oh, good, we've got someone up in the bullpen after the walk to Schneider.
2005-05-02 21:26:38
249.   Icaros
You're plagiarizing me, Ben :-)
2005-05-02 21:26:56
250.   Steve
Game's over. Might as well bring in Carlyle and really torch it up good.
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2005-05-02 21:27:06
251.   JSN
1-2-3 COLLECTIVE GROAN...
2005-05-02 21:27:31
252.   Daniel Zappala
Wonder if Tracy goes off pitch counts instead of how many times he's gone through the lineup. Is there something to seeing a guy more than two times that helps you hit him? Any statheads out there?
2005-05-02 21:27:57
253.   Bob Timmermann
Meanwhile, it's 7-7 in Arizona now.
2005-05-02 21:28:13
254.   Icaros
Steiner is really laying the blame for this inning's runs at the feet of Choi. Can anyone watching verify this?
2005-05-02 21:29:01
255.   the OZ
Is there a specific prohibition in the rules about Choi using a butterfly net instead of a glove?
2005-05-02 21:29:06
256.   Steve
He appears to go off of whether the pitchers will get their feelings hurt.

And thank you whatever lame hitter struck out to end that inning on a pitch two feet high.

2005-05-02 21:29:07
257.   Fearing Blue
#250: I bet it would be really fun to watch a game with you Steve, as long as I make sure to wear full body armor. :)
2005-05-02 21:29:15
258.   Bob Timmermann
This hasn't been Choi's best defensive inning. He probably should have drawn an error on the last hit.
2005-05-02 21:29:47
259.   tomA
both hits went off his glove. i think he should have had the second one
2005-05-02 21:30:27
260.   Daniel Zappala
Fearing Blue: Steve has a lot of pent-up anger that comes from living in Payson.
2005-05-02 21:30:49
261.   Icaros
Steve, have you a dartboard in your house?

Got any photos on it?

2005-05-02 21:31:00
262.   Fearing Blue
#254: Choi got to two balls that the average first-baseman probably wouldn't have gotten to. On the other hand, both of the balls kicked off the heel of his glove, so it certainly made him look bad.
2005-05-02 21:31:03
263.   Bob Timmermann
The big hit in Arizona was a pinch hit 3-run double by Tony Clark off of Jeff Fassero. Schmidt is out obviously and Herges is in for the Gints. Koplove for the DBacks.
2005-05-02 21:31:49
264.   Jerry
#260: I once dated a girl from Payson, Utah. Never again.
2005-05-02 21:32:02
265.   Steve
The Vidro play was tougher to start the inning. It was a line drive that Choi had to try to backhand. The second ground ball was probably technically a hit, but a first baseman should definitely make that play. So the second run is definitely on Choi. Maybe the first. But the balls were hit hard, and when you hit the ball hard, good things happen.

Oh goody. Grabowski. How did I know I'd get to see him tonight?

2005-05-02 21:32:31
266.   Icaros
I was at the game where Fassero made Nakamura look like me.
2005-05-02 21:32:54
267.   GoBears
OK, last go-round for the top of the lineup. With 1 out of course.
2005-05-02 21:33:41
268.   Daniel Zappala
Jerry -- I don't even want to ask.
2005-05-02 21:34:01
269.   Icaros
Thanks everyone for the Choifo.

I'm still looking for help on landing that flight attendant job, by the way (seriously).

2005-05-02 21:34:05
270.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks also caught a break when Green struck out for what would have been the third out, but Matheny let the ball get past him and Green reached.

Eyre was pitching and for some reason Alou replaced with another lefty in Fassero. Unless Eyre was hurt, that would be inexplicable.

2005-05-02 21:34:16
271.   ARGHjimtracy
...and out comes ... JASON GRABOWSKI!!! ...

i only like reading these comments, but i just had to register to vent about jim tracy.

2005-05-02 21:34:29
272.   capdodger
265:

Well, you have to play the lefty-righty thing.

2005-05-02 21:34:42
273.   Bob Timmermann
JT Snow homered off of Koplove to put SF back ahead 8-7 going to the bottom of the 8th.
2005-05-02 21:34:58
274.   Screwgie
Actually that's three backhanded stabs for Choi this game and all three have gone off the heel of his glove. He was just lucky earlier in the game (second inning?) that the ball stayed in front of him and he got the out at first.
2005-05-02 21:34:59
275.   Jerry
The stats must show that Saenz hits righties better than Grabowski. Grabowski's just plain bad.
2005-05-02 21:35:06
276.   Ben P
Sorry if I did, Icaros. Hopefully this won't end up on Romenesko.
2005-05-02 21:36:17
277.   Icaros
Yeah, I'm glad DePo didn't trade Penny and Brazoban for Vazquez and Koplove.
2005-05-02 21:37:12
278.   dzzrtRatt
This team isn't hitting anymore.
2005-05-02 21:37:42
279.   Icaros
Ben P, I own all rights to anti-Beltre OPS statistics until further notice. Thank you.
2005-05-02 21:38:24
280.   Icaros
Here's Jon's Buddy.
2005-05-02 21:39:13
281.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Buddy, enjoy this inning because it'll be your last in the bigs for a while.
2005-05-02 21:40:10
282.   Steve
When things go badly, they go very, very badly. Izturis with more popups (though he did stay off of the pitch that was over his head, so that's progress). Choi first pitch swinging at garbage. Collective give-up. And Grabowski. That he is on the roster is just really extraordinarily galling to me tonight. It's affecting me on a very visceral level.

The kids have flak jackets and helmets. Since Tracy has been in a recent "slump" (to be generous), it's better when they're sleeping in the other room.

2005-05-02 21:40:30
283.   Fearing Blue
Anyone know why Alvarez wasn't activated today?
2005-05-02 21:40:42
284.   JSN
The mishandling of this game in the seventh makes me feel ill. I can't bring myself to look away though.
2005-05-02 21:41:35
285.   Bob Timmermann
Presumably Alvarez is on a schedule on when he can pitch. Perhaps they didn't want him to pitch today so there was no point in activating him.
2005-05-02 21:41:58
286.   tomA
still hoping for bradley to be a hero tonight
2005-05-02 21:42:05
287.   Steve
Why not Schmoll to lead off? I mean, we have pitchers who have given up seven runs hitting with the bases loaded, don't we? Why not now?
2005-05-02 21:42:15
288.   Icaros
Kind of like reality television, huh JSN?
2005-05-02 21:42:42
289.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Bradley, don't be a hero, don't be a fool with your life.
2005-05-02 21:43:05
290.   Bob Timmermann
That should make the parking lot thin out now.
2005-05-02 21:43:08
291.   the OZ
Bradley would have been the hero if he'd jumped 40 feet in the air to catch Guillen's HR...
2005-05-02 21:43:18
292.   Ben P
While we know Erickson doesn't have it anymore, I wouldn't be surprised if someone else picks him up when we release him. In his five starts he's given up 2 runs twice and 3 runs once. Some team will be desperate, look at those numbers and take a chance on him. I like the guy and would be happy to see him succeed a little bit, even if it's not for us.
2005-05-02 21:43:26
293.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
And the TV goes click.
2005-05-02 21:43:28
294.   Fearing Blue
Alvarez threw a 25-pitch bullpen yesterday and was quoted as saying he should be ready to pitch tonight. Hopefully, they just decided to delay until tomorrow and there wasn't a setback.
2005-05-02 21:43:50
295.   ARGHjimtracy
great. after that tough earned first (and only) run by the dodgers... wasted
2005-05-02 21:43:54
296.   scanderbeg
I think Carlyle just bought himself a plane ride to Las Vegas
2005-05-02 21:44:01
297.   Steve
I believe Bob is right. Alvarez pitched five innings in his last appearance, so they're keeping Buddy around to pitch Garbage Time tonight, then shipping him off in the morning after Alvarez gets his four days of rest.
2005-05-02 21:44:07
298.   tomA
now just hoping for bradley to not make the last out
2005-05-02 21:45:11
299.   GoBears
It's OK, Folks. Cuz ya know, the exhaustion and jet lag will kick in tomorrow. Yeah, that's it. Tomorrow. Sure..... that's the ticket.
2005-05-02 21:45:23
300.   Bob Timmermann
Time to see if Quinton McCracken can be a hero against Jason Christensen.
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2005-05-02 21:45:43
301.   Bob Timmermann
McCracken was not a hero.
2005-05-02 21:45:50
302.   Steve
Although Carlyle would give us another right-handed bat on nights like tonight when all the lefties are in the lineup.
2005-05-02 21:46:14
303.   tomA
now just hoping that bradley doesn't make the last out
2005-05-02 21:48:04
304.   tomA
oops, posting/refresh error
2005-05-02 21:48:16
305.   Bob Timmermann
If it's any consolation, this is a pretty bad pitcher that the Nats have brought in.
2005-05-02 21:48:16
306.   ARGHjimtracy
dang, man's a giant.
2005-05-02 21:48:40
307.   Fearing Blue
Can't wait to read FJT tomorrow morning.. I have a feeling it's going to be a doozy.
2005-05-02 21:49:16
308.   tomA
funny, he doesn't look that big on the webcast
2005-05-02 21:50:13
309.   the OZ
So, in a close game, we get:

1) 7th-inning version of our worst starting pitcher.
2) Rookie Schmoll finish the 8th all by himself despite giving up 2 runs and leaving runners on base. (I love Schmoll, but why not go to Sanchez after the first three baserunners were allowed?)
3) In a 4-1 game, our worst pitcher to pitch the top 9th, ensuring the game slips away.

2005-05-02 21:51:13
310.   Steve
Not to mention that we ran out of our only rally.
2005-05-02 21:51:54
311.   jtshoe
Is it possible they didn't activate Alvarez because they thought they might need Carlyle to eat some innings tonight (if Erickson goud pounded early) and then have Alvarez fresh tomorrow - knowing that Carlyle would be gone either way?
2005-05-02 21:52:05
312.   tomA
couldn't field a bunt
2005-05-02 21:52:51
313.   the OZ
Meanwhile, in San Diego, the Rockies have 2 on, two out, down 4-5, and Brad Hawpe grounds out to end the game on a 3-0 pitch.

As Milton pads his stats...

2005-05-02 21:53:45
314.   ARGHjimtracy
wow. if only the bases had been loaded.
2005-05-02 21:53:50
315.   Ben P
We can blame Tracy and the bullpen all we want, but one run and three hits just won't cut it. Make that two and four....
2005-05-02 21:53:56
316.   tomA
maybe this will get him going again
2005-05-02 21:55:05
317.   ARGHjimtracy
oh well milton bradley gave jon rauch 3.38era's worth.
2005-05-02 21:56:22
318.   Suffering Bruin
Well that sure was fun.
2005-05-02 21:56:41
319.   Bob Timmermann
Going to the bottom of the 9th in Arizona, 8-7 Giants. Gonzalez, Glaus, and Green up against whomever Alou decides is the least objectionable reliever left in his pen.
2005-05-02 21:56:55
320.   GoBears
OK, time to start drinking.
2005-05-02 21:57:11
321.   tomA
well, that was thoroughly uninspiring
2005-05-02 21:57:14
322.   Bob Timmermann
Look how many posts we got for a rather uninteresting Monday night game.
2005-05-02 21:58:06
323.   Robert Fiore
Sure, he won tonight, but time will show Loaiza.

Just a little joke for all the Fairport Convention fans out there . . .

2005-05-02 21:58:20
324.   Steve
It's likely that no one believes me, but I would like nothing better than to go out of business.
2005-05-02 21:58:24
325.   Steve
It's likely that no one believes me, but I would like nothing better than to go out of business.
2005-05-02 21:59:00
326.   Steve
And just in case you don't believe me, I said it twice. (How?)
2005-05-02 21:59:08
327.   Icaros
When there's this much to complain about, the game is far from uninteresting.

GoBears, be sure to put away the car keys.

2005-05-02 22:00:44
328.   the OZ
On FSN, Mark Gubicza puts the blame for the missed bunt play on Erickson. Evidently, he was supposed to run striaght to the third baseline or something instad of watch the ball roll past him.
2005-05-02 22:00:48
329.   GoBears
Already at home. But thanks for the concern.
2005-05-02 22:02:35
330.   jtshoe
Gonzo homers 8-8
2005-05-02 22:02:43
331.   GoBears
Gonzo just homered to tie the game
2005-05-02 22:02:46
332.   Bob Timmermann
Luis Gonzalez blasted a home run deep to right center off of Jim Brower to tie the game in Arizona. Gonzo is 5 for 7 in his career against Brower with 5 XBH.
2005-05-02 22:02:49
333.   Fearing Blue
This team needs to do some bunt fielding practice. They've looked lost more than a few times.
2005-05-02 22:02:53
334.   the OZ
Luis Gonzales homers to tie it in ARI. Nobody out.
2005-05-02 22:04:20
335.   Icaros
Good thing SF solved that bullpen problem during One of the Greatest Offseasons in Baseball History.
2005-05-02 22:06:22
336.   GoBears
Green grounded out 4-3. Who knew?!
2005-05-02 22:14:22
337.   alex 7
I don't know who to root for!?! The Giants so the Dodger west lead doesn't suffer? Or DBacks even though any game can mean the difference in a tight September finish?
2005-05-02 22:14:34
338.   Suffering Bruin
#335 - LOL. I wish we had the Giants depth. Not.
2005-05-02 22:15:49
339.   alex 7
Bush or Kerry, arghh!
2005-05-02 22:16:37
340.   Icaros
The Giants have to be mathematically eliminated (or close to it) for me to ever root for them. Arizona can take the damn division as long as we finish ahead of SF.
2005-05-02 22:18:00
341.   Icaros
Well, looks like LA keeps its lead on the D-Backs.
2005-05-02 22:20:51
342.   Icaros
Two outs, nobody on and then this happens. This is really a battle of pathetic pens.

I guess I shouldn't count Arizona out yet. They are the home team, after all.

2005-05-02 22:21:23
343.   Icaros
Now I'm just talking to myself. Forget it.
2005-05-02 22:26:02
344.   Suffering Bruin
Runner still on second? My gamecast seems a little slow...
2005-05-02 22:27:44
345.   Icaros
I have bases loaded, two outs, SF up one, but CBS Game Center has stopped moving.
2005-05-02 22:28:18
346.   Suffering Bruin
Icaros is the first poster this season to hit for the cycle. :-)
2005-05-02 22:28:30
347.   Icaros
Okay, Ellison flied out. 9-8 Giants.
2005-05-02 22:28:55
348.   the OZ
Wow, real die hards are here at 10:30 after a tough loss.

I hope the ARI game goes 50 innings and is called a tie, fircing the two teams to play a tripleheader on wednesday. That's my ideal, with Koyie Hill pitches a perfect 50th inning to get the save and Plashcke writing about how the Dodgers woefully traded away a great closer because they were too cheap to keep him.

2005-05-02 22:28:59
349.   Bob Timmermann
It's 9-8 Giants in the bottom of the 10th. The D-Backs have first and second with no outs. Walker pitching, McCracken sacrificing.

2nd and 3rd one out for Gonzalez.

2005-05-02 22:29:05
350.   Suffering Bruin
Your way ahead of me... I've got first and second.
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2005-05-02 22:29:13
351.   Icaros
You wimps can't keep up :-)
2005-05-02 22:29:43
352.   Bob Timmermann
Gonzo will get intentionally walked to load the bases for Glaus.

It's possible that Al Levine could be called in.

2005-05-02 22:30:21
353.   Icaros
Holy crap I'm way behind Bob.
2005-05-02 22:30:24
354.   Suffering Bruin
#348 - I believe Plaschke would write just that.
2005-05-02 22:31:26
355.   Bob Timmermann
Helps that I'm actually watching the game.

Glaus Ks on 3 pitches.

All up to Green now.

2005-05-02 22:31:44
356.   Suffering Bruin
I was actually right on time... I've got bases loaded, same as Bob.
2005-05-02 22:32:27
357.   Suffering Bruin
Where's the game being televised?
2005-05-02 22:32:42
358.   Icaros
All up to Green now.

Ghame Over.

2005-05-02 22:32:46
359.   Bob Timmermann
I have the Extra Innings package.

2-1 to Green.

2005-05-02 22:33:43
360.   Bob Timmermann
Full count to Green.
2005-05-02 22:33:52
361.   Icaros
Where's the game being televised?

On the radio.

2005-05-02 22:34:17
362.   Bob Timmermann
Green pops up to center and it's over.
2005-05-02 22:34:24
363.   Suffering Bruin
har de har har.
2005-05-02 22:35:39
364.   Icaros
Couldn't resist, SB. It's been a long night.
2005-05-02 22:37:04
365.   Icaros
Okay, well, I'm going to go search for what happened to my life. Talk to you all tomorrow.
2005-05-02 22:37:42
366.   Steve
Too bad Bob Melvin didn't have Odalis to pinch hit in that situation.
2005-05-02 22:37:57
367.   Suffering Bruin
I don't think any team in the West is beating us in 2005 but that doesn't mean I don't have concerns heading to the month of May. Granted it's late so perhaps I'll take this up tomorrow but is Jeff Kent going to play every single inning? I think the man needs a rest.
2005-05-02 22:39:24
368.   Suffering Bruin
And on that note (and don't worry, Icaros, I always enjoy your posts... especially if the humor is at my expense)... may tomorrow bring better baseball from the boys in blue.

Which won't be hard because tonight couldn't have been much worse.

2005-05-02 23:36:57
369.   LAT
This is what I get for watching Jim Hill (CBS), the WORST sports announcer ever!!! What a shill for the Dodgers going on about how tough the Nats are and how great they played. The Dodgers gave the ghame away. What he reported was nothing like the game I watched.

By the way, Ichiro's catch holds up through the end of the season as the best play of the year.

2005-05-03 09:17:24
370.   Howard Fox
Haven't been on here for a while, but have been at the games.

I am seeing a severe lack of fundamentals being displayed...poor baserunning, missing cutoff men on throws from the outfield, Izturis doesn't seem to have that "desire" afield like he had the past couple of years...

Add this to Tracy's inexplicable handling of the pitching staff...Penny is held to 6 innings, Lowe is held to 6 innings, Erickson pitches into trouble in the 7th...

I don't know...I just don't have a real good feeling about this season...and those of you who know me know I am the most positive, die hard Dodger fan...

2005-05-03 12:07:10
371.   Suffering Bruin
Welcome back, Howard!!

FWIW, the handling of the pitching staff was topic numero uno for the last two games. Lowe we found out had the flu, Penny being held to six is probably the continued effort to bring him along e-v-e-r s-o s-l-o-w-l-y but, jiminy christmas, last night was borderline inexplicable.

Post again soon, Howard, especially the impressions from Dodger Stadium where security and fan behavior have been, ah, issues of contention. To say the very least...

2005-05-03 14:40:42
372.   Jon Weisman
I'm just happy Howard got his tickets.

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