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2005 Shrine of the Eternals Inductees Announced
2005-05-06 09:24
by Jon Weisman

Plus, Morning Open Chat

Jackie Robinson, former USC coach Rod Dedeaux and baseball integration advocate Lester Rodney have been elected to the Shrine of the Eternals at the Baseball Reliquary (profiled earlier this year on Dodger Thoughts).

The 2005 voting, with top runners-up:

Lester Rodney (33%)
Jackie Robinson (30%)
Rod Dedeaux (29%)
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Josh Gibson (28%)
Casey Stengel (28%)
Pete Gray (27%)
Yogi Berra (26%)
Don Zimmer (25%)
Fernando Valenzuela (24%)
Kenichi Zenimura (24%)
Ted Giannoulas (21%)
Bill James (20%)
Effa Manley (20%)
J.R. Richard (20%)

For more information, check out the Baseball Reliquary site.

2005-05-06 09:52:06
1.   Eric Enders
I was a voter for a couple of years... I voted for Fernando and I can't remember who else.
2005-05-06 10:16:18
2.   Eric Enders
Inspired by Jon's post a few days ago on Buddy Carlyle, I was browsing the IMDB... hereby presenting appropriate movie titles for selected current and former Dodgers:

Jeff Weaver: The Surfer King (2005)

Ricky Ledee: Double or Nothing (1940)

Cesar Izturis: Hell Bent for Leather (1960) OR Electra Glide in Blue (1973)

Wilson Alvarez: The Fat Man and the Treacherous Springboard (1898)

Paul Lo Duca: Swept Away by an Unusual Destiny in the Blue Sea of August (1974)

Jose Valentin: The Hustler (1961)

Jeff Kent: The Strength of a Moustache (1931)

Kevin Brown: How to Make Good When One Is a Jerk and a Crybaby (1974)

Jose Lima: Coping with Herpes, Virus of Love (1979)

Adrian Beltre: Escape of the Artful Dodger (2001)

Alex Cora: The Foul Ball Player (1940)

Paul DePodesta: Everyone Walks in L.A. (1995)

Yhency Brazoban: Yhden Miehen Sota (1973)

Vin Scully: A Voice from Heaven (1999)

Jason Phillips: L.A. on $5 a Day (1989)

Milton Bradley: Hold Your Temper (1943)

Nori Nakamura: Swing the Western Way (1947)

J.D. Drew: Beyond Vanilla (2001)

Steve Schmoll and Kelly Wunsch: Two-Man Submarine (1944)

2005-05-06 10:21:02
3.   Jon Weisman
Those are great. I remember taking the streetcar to see "The Fat Man and the Treacherous Springboard" at the nickelodeon. Classic.

Here's the synopsis: "The fat man is in swimming, and asks a pretty Summer girl to give him a cigarette in order that he may show her a diving trick. She is fully attired in a summer gown, but heedlessly walks out on a springboard. The fat man reaches up and pulls down the springboard in order to get the cigarette; but his hand slips, and the board flies up, throwing the Summer girl into the air and into the water with a terrific splash."

2005-05-06 10:33:11
4.   Eric Enders
By the way, has anybody mentioned the possibility of Willy Aybar playing third base? He was a third baseman last year before being switched to second this season. In the first game after Valentin got hurt, it's interesting that Perez didn't start for LV while Aybar played his first game of the year at 3B.

In today's Riverside Press-Enterprise DePo is even quoted as saying Aybar is a possibility.

BP (the website, not the petroleum conglomerate) rates Aybar as the 34th best prospect in baseball, which seems extremely odd, not that I'm complaining.

2005-05-06 10:34:13
5.   Eric Enders
Correction: Aybar was a 3B through 2003, switched to 2B in 2004.
2005-05-06 10:55:39
6.   Bob Timmermann
The Daily News today mentioned Flores and Robles as possible middle infield replacements if Izturis can't go for an extended period.
2005-05-06 10:59:53
7.   Bob Timmermann
I just got an email from the Dodgers telling me that Hollywood Stars night has been moved from June 4 to June 11. Apparently the stars on June 4 weren't really stars, so they waited for the 11th.
If the stars playing before the game aren't good enough, we'll be given a voucher to see tapes of past Hollywood Stars games when people like Jack Lemmon and Walter Matthau played.

I loathe Hollywood Stars night. I don't wanna see Tony Danza before a baseball game.

2005-05-06 12:53:19
8.   Fearing Blue
Eric, Aybar was switched to second last year as a backup to Cora. Once they signed Kent, I read they were going to move him back to 3B. Thus, I believe most of his work this year has been at 3B. I do think he would be a good alternative. Between Perez, Aybar, Flores, and Robles I think we have some good options.
2005-05-06 12:57:43
9.   Fearing Blue
Eric, are you sure it's Willy Aybar that BP has rated that highly? Baseball America has him rated as the 25th best prospect in the Dodger system. Thus, it seems odd that he would be 34th overall for BP. You may be mistaking him for his brother Erick Aybar, who is rated the 3rd best prospect in the Angels system.
2005-05-06 13:27:13
10.   Eric Enders
It does seem very odd, as I noted.

34. Willy Aybar.
"Indeed, even now, most observers consider his younger brother Erick to be the better prospect. But over the past two years, Aybar has quietly begun to show the talent that made him such a hot property..."

2005-05-06 15:29:28
11.   brendan glynn
T-shirts have been mailed. Out of state went yesterday afternoon, in state(calif) went out today at noon.
USPS 2-3 buiness day priority(so 3-5 days usually)

Out of state start looking about tues-Wed of next week.
In state say about wed-thur(possibly earlier for O.C./L.A.)

Of course USPS could surprise but never in a good way.
i'll try to e-mail everyone as well but that is a ton of indvidual e-mails an I don't want to do one large e-mail for privacy reasons. No idea what I was getting myself into. Hope to see them at the Stadium.

2005-05-06 16:23:01
12.   Fearing Blue
Hey Eric, that's awesome. Thanks for following up. I trust BP's analysis better than BA's, but it certainly is surprising. Can you respond with the link to the BP prospect list? I'd like to see how they evaluate the rest of the Dodgers.

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