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Fact or Fiction
2005-06-21 17:03
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's Game

* * *

So I had this idea for the off day next week - June 30. We would gather at 9 p.m. (after my kids are in bed) for a Dodger game chat, for a game entirely of my fictional creation. I would post the play-by-play in this space, and you would just keep hitting refresh to see what happened. Kind of like an all-text Gameday.

The game would start later than a real game but have few commericial interruptions, to say the least, allowing it to end approximately at the normal time.

Anyone interested in going along for this ride, or do you only want the real magilla? (Fair warning: Sadly, Bob Timmermann will be out of the country!)

* * *

Here, the Score Bard smilefully addresses the managerial tumult in Zinzinnati.

* * *

Update: On KFWB this hour, Jim Tracy said something extraordinary in explaining his decision to bench Hee Seop Choi against San Diego righthander Woody Williams.

"The history is not 0 for 3," Tracy said. "It's 0 for 11. That's a fairly significant number."

I find this explanation absolutely appalling.

You are going to bench the player who hits home runs more frequently than anyone else in your offense-deprived lineup, because he had the equivalent of three bad games against a pitcher over the life of his entire career, so that you can play Jason Repko? (In case you were wondering, Antonio Perez could play the outfield about as well as he can play third base.)

There isn't a rationalization Tracy won't plunder to keep Choi on the bench. Absolutely appalling.

* * *

The sad Eric Gagne news, we'll address later in a separate post.

Comments (481)
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2005-06-21 17:36:15
1.   scareduck
Does the game have to be baseball? Yahtzee, for instance, or Jeopardy, or maybe twenty questions? How about Scrabble?
2005-06-21 17:42:36
2.   Jon Weisman
First roll: three threes, a five and a one

Second roll: keep the threes and the five, roll a four

Third roll: keep the threes and the five, roll a two.

Comment away!

2. scareduck

You don't keep the five in that situation. You have to roll two dice when you have three of a kind.

3. Bob Timmermann

"Three of a Kind" was an old British series that had David Copperfield and Tracy Ullmann.

3. Steve

Fire Tracy Ullmann!

2005-06-21 17:42:45
3.   scareduck
Nomo has 4-hit the Yanks through four. The Devil Rays have chased Randy Johnson after three.
2005-06-21 17:47:13
4.   Bob Timmermann
I apologize for the length. This was a long, weird game. And if Dodger Thoughts had been around 19 years ago, I would shudder to think what a game chat would have been like for this one.

Random Dodger game callback

June 21, 1986

Coming off a traumatic end to the 1985 season in the NLCS, the Dodgers 1986 season was not one for the history books. With Pedro Guerrero missing most of the season after injuring his knee in spring training, the Dodgers played a game on a Saturday night in June at Dodger Stadium that mirrored their season. The Dodgers built up a 5-0 lead against San Diego, but committed six errors and eventually lost in 14 innings, 8-7. The loss dropped the Dodgers to 33-35, four games out of first and in fifth place in the NL West.

The Dodgers started Jerry Ruess, who by this time was the Dodgers #5 starter, and spotted him a quick 1-0 lead in the first. Second baseman Steve Sax had a one-out double and would score on a double by third baseman Bill Madlock.

Los Angeles increased its lead in the sixth. Sax reached on an error by San Diego shortstop Garry Templeton. With one out, Sax stole second and then went to third on a wild pitch by Padres starter Andy Hawkins. Madlock hit his second double to plate Sax. After Mike Marshall struck out, Padres manager Steve Boros ordered Hawkins to intentionally walk first baseman Len Matuszek to face backup catcher Alex Trevino. But Trevino foiled the strategy with a double to center to score Madlock and drive Hawkins from the mound.

Tim Stoddard relieved and gave up a single to center fielder Reggie Williams to score two more runs. The Dodgers were up 5-0 and the crowd of over 46,000 was ecstatic.

But the game turned sour in the seventh. Templeton led off with an infield single to third that Madlock compounded with a throwing error. Then Padres catcher Bruce Bochy reached on an error by Matuszek. Second baseman Bip Roberts then singled to load the bases and send Ruess to the showers and bring on Ed Vande Berg. The lefty specialist came in to pitch to Tony Gwynn, but Gwynn singled to score a run. Out came Vande Berg and in came Tom Niedenfuer, the goat of 1985. The crowd was now angry, as Niedenfuer's presence on the team was a constant reminder of Jack Clark. Niedenfuer got Kevin McReynolds to pop up for the second out, but then gave up a 2-run single to Steve Garvey to make the score 5-3.

In the 8th, the Padres tied it up. With one out, Templeton singled and pinch hitter Terry Kennedy homered off of Niedenfuer to make it 5-5. But the Dodgers went back ahead 6-5 in the bottom of the 8th when Trevino homered off of reliever Gene Walter.

Manager Tommy Lasorda brought in Ken Howell to try to close out the game in the 9th. But Gwynn singled to lead off. Gwynn then stole second and went to third on an errant throw from Trevino. McReynolds hit a sacrifice fly to tie the game at 6-6.

The game continued into the 11th and Carlos Diaz took over on the mound for the Dodgers. Diaz gave up a leadoff single to Gwynn. And again Gwynn stole second and went to third on a bad throw from Trevino. McReynolds doubled home Gwynn to give San Diego its first lead of the game, 7-6. Diaz threw a wild pitch to move McReynolds to third, but the Padres stranded him.

But the Dodgers weren't done in the bottom of the 11th. Facing Goose Gossage, Trevino singled to lead off the inning. Williams singled to move Trevino to second. Enos Cabell sacrificed the runners over. Bill Russell then hit a sacrifice fly to tie the game at 6-6.

So they kept playing. And in the top of the 14th, Tim Flannery singled to lead off against Alejandro Pena. Gwynn then got an infield hit. McReynolds struck out as did Padres pitcher Lance McCullers, who had to bat as the Padres were out of bench players. But with two outs, rookie John Kruk (who was the goat on Opening Day for the Padres in L.A. when he was caught stealing as a pinch runner in the 9th inning) singled to left to score Flannery to put San Diego ahead 7-6. McCullers set the Dodgers down in order in the 14th to give San Diego the win.

The 1986 Dodgers finished the year 73-89, 23 games behind Houston and in fifth place. Injuries to numerous position players gave the Dodgers a patchwork appearance. Only Sax was healthy all year and he had a fine season, batting .332 with 40 steals and much better defense. Sax finished just .002 behind Montreal's Tim Raines in the batting race.

Franklin Stubbs led the team in home runs with 23, but struck out 107 times and walked just 37 times. Shortstop Mariano Duncan could not repeat the performance of his rookie season and batted .229 and played in only 109 games. Madlock batted just .280 and led NL third baseman in errors with 24 despite playing just 101 games at the position.

The Dodgers used a lot of bit players that contributed mostly bits such as the aforementioned Matuszek and Trevino. Cesar Cedeno, Terry Whitfield, Ralph Bryant, Larry See and Craig Shipley all had brief appearances. Russell played his last season for the Dodgers as a utility man.

The top four starters all had good years. Fernando Valenzuela led the league with 21 wins and had a 3.14 ERA. Bob Welch was 7-12, but had a 3.28 ERA and won a 1-0 game against Cincinnati ace Mario Soto on June 10 when he homered for the only run of the game.. Orel Hershiser went 14-14 with a 3.85 ERA. Rick Honeycutt was 11-9 and 3.32.

The bullpen was shaky. Niedenfuer managed to pick up 11 saves before losing the closer job to Howell, who saved 12. Left-handed specialists Vande Berg and Diaz were both disappointments.

The Dodgers needed a healthy Guerrero and a lot of help in the outfield to get better,

Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, and Retrosheet

2005-06-21 17:49:56
5.   Jon Weisman
Carlos Diaz? Wow - you finally got me. I have no memory of someone who threw 125 innings in a Dodger uniform right before my eyes. I can't believe it. Instantly the most forgettable Dodger of my lifetime.
2005-06-21 17:51:15
6.   Jon Weisman
And, of course, no one nominated him last year in the most obscure but memorable Dodger contest, further sealing the deal.
2005-06-21 17:54:21
7.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers traded Sid Fernandez to get Carlos Diaz.
2005-06-21 18:00:45
8.   Dodger Blue Notes
I apologize if this is old news but I just heard Gagne is having surgery on Friday and will be out for a entire year, not ready to return until this time next year.


2005-06-21 18:00:59
9.   Bob Timmermann
On June 30 (which will be July 1) for me, I will be bopping around Sendai, Japan hoping that it isn't raining so I can see the Rakuten Golden Eagles play the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters.

Plenty of good seats available I hear at Miyagi Fullcast Stadium.

2005-06-21 18:06:10
10.   Jim Hitchcock
Miyagi Fullcast Stadium. I envision three DiamondVisions showing the Karate Kids.
2005-06-21 18:06:13
11.   Bob Timmermann
Saenz 1B


2005-06-21 18:11:17
12.   Fearing Blue
#11: I'm consistently frustrated by Scrapko or whatever other free out Jim Tracy puts in our #2 slot. Why not have Perez bat 2nd and Scrapko 7th? They're both young players, but one doesn't make an out 70% of the time.
2005-06-21 18:13:20
13.   Tommy Naccarato
With all hope, I'll be a Californian again by the June 30th. Don't start without me!

I feel bad for Dodger fan from NY. It is very clear to me hear that the two of us are the only two Dodger fans in this section of the country.

2005-06-21 18:17:32
14.   Bob Timmermann
I think most of us here were already at the acceptance stage of our five stages of Gagne-elbow death. But thanks for the confirmation. Now we can plan for the future.

Nomo didn't make it to 5 innings, so win for him. The D-Rays still lead 10-6.

2005-06-21 18:20:12
15.   Fearing Blue
#12: Baseball quiz for everyone. Two players have the following statistics:

Player A - .210/.308/.390 (.698)
Player B - .340/.421/.430 (.851)

Additionally, both have about the same speed and strike out 22% of the time. One of these two players must bat 2nd and the other 7th. Which would you choose for each slot?

2005-06-21 18:23:12
16.   brendan glynn
#15 Repko and Perez?

does it take 18 months to get"back to normal" after TommyJohn Surgery? is that expectation. Wow this is bad.

2005-06-21 18:24:16
17.   Fearing Blue
#16: Indeed, thus the source of my frustration.
2005-06-21 18:24:23
18.   brendan glynn
when does Broxton get called up and erickson sent out?
2005-06-21 18:26:37
19.   Steve
When did Woody Williams switch hands? Why is our Poster Boy for Regression to the Mean playing first base tonight?

Repko bats second because he's a better bunter. That's the reason. Whenever Tracy starts yammering about "situational hitting," that's what he's talking about.

2005-06-21 18:30:49
20.   Jon Weisman
Please note the Tracy quote in the update above.
2005-06-21 18:32:52
21.   Fearing Blue
#19: For some reason, I always equated "situational hitting" to "hit-and-run", but referring to bunting makes sense since it's impossible to evaluate.
2005-06-21 18:33:06
22.   Christina
Right now, I find the Tracy quote more upsetting than the Gagne news.

Did Choi eat Tracy's pet eel or something?

2005-06-21 18:33:33
23.   Steve
I like how this lineup is so embarrassingly bad, no one has even brought up that Izturis is still leading off, despite being 3 for his last 300.
2005-06-21 18:33:36
24.   Nick Iyengar
18: not soon enough! i'm itching to see this guy broxton. not to raise a touchy issue, but can he really be worse than erickson? i assume that he cannot. even if he can't put up gagne's numbers, we might as well bring him up if he's better than someone we have.
2005-06-21 18:35:09
25.   Steve
21 -- I thought that was it as well, but why would you think that Jason Repko would be a good hitter to hit and run with? But Repko squares three times a game.
2005-06-21 18:35:11
26.   Fearing Blue
"It's 0 for 11. That's a fairly significant number."

Do you think DePodesta gets at least a little chuckle when he reads this?

2005-06-21 18:36:34
27.   Fearing Blue
#22: Choi is associated with the ouster of Tracy's favorite baseball player, Paul LoDuca. That's the only thing I can come up with.
2005-06-21 18:36:39
28.   Bob Timmermann
Hee-Seop Choi is 0 for 11 in his career against Woody Williams with 5 Ks.

Olmedo Saenz has never faced Williams.

The only Dodgers with any sort of luck against Woody Williams are Kent who is 14 for 40 with 3 HRs and Jason Phillips who is 3 for 6.

Williams has a career .216 batting average against when facing the Dodgers, which I don't understand all that well since he faced so many different Dodgers in his career.

2005-06-21 18:38:47
29.   Vishal
this is less than 24 hours after brian giles, who was 2 for 11 (.182) vs. brad penny beforehand, went 3 for 3 with 2 doubles against him., on a night that penny was having an otherwise dominating game. so what does that all mean? it means nothing, other than that jim tracy is a moron and steve has been right all along.
2005-06-21 18:39:14
30.   Steve
Should we all reset to last year, when Jim Tracy let Alex Cora, who was 1 for 30 lifetime against Woody Williams, hit against him with the bases loaded?

And this is why we should Fire Jim Tracy.

2005-06-21 18:39:38
31.   Nick Iyengar
26: You bring up a point that I've been thinking about lately...

Given Tracy's apparent style (partial to bunting, sending Izturis and Robles, etc.), is there any friction between DePodesta and Tracy in terms of how the game should be managed? If I were DePodesta, I would have to be irritated with a number of Tracy's tendencies. What would the significance of any friction be, with regard to the duration of Tracy's tenure as the skipper?

2005-06-21 18:40:48
32.   Nick Iyengar
30: is that really true? mercy.
2005-06-21 18:41:45
33.   Sam DC
John Kruk. Pinch Runner? Stealing?

Bob -- have you arranged for a second to dribble out your RDGCs, or are we expected to go cold turkey?

While I do find myself stuck here at 9 pm your time and later all too frequently, Thrs. may be tough. Will try though . . .

2005-06-21 18:42:38
34.   GoBears
31: We've discussed this about 100 times, tho maybe before you joined the group. DePo will not fire Tracy during this season (who would replace him?). I'm just hoping JT asks to be released from his contract in October to take the Reds job.
2005-06-21 18:45:09
35.   Steve
Alex Cora v. Woody Williams

1 for 26, 5 K

This is what I have been saying all along. If this is why you don't play Choi, then this is why you bat for Alex Cora. But Tracy is a dishonest hack.

I don't even understand why Tracy hates Choi so much. He's bunted twice!

2005-06-21 18:46:00
36.   Nick Iyengar
This is off-topic, but I can scarcely believe that with a $200 million+ budget, the Yankees have trotted out the likes of

-Scott Proctor
-Buddy Groom
-Tanyon Sturtze
-Mike Stanton

in a single game. Granted, The Big Unit got chased early, but can't Steinbrenner do any better than those guys? I wouldn't take any of them over Duaner.

2005-06-21 18:46:05
37.   Vishal
hey steve... this is unrelated, but have you ever seen "the tao of steve"?
2005-06-21 18:47:50
38.   Fearing Blue
#35: That's right! Choi is the only guy on our team who can consistently get a bunt down. What's not to love?
2005-06-21 18:48:10
39.   Dodgerkid
Wait how do we correlate this with the fact that taken altogether statistically Tracy is the best manager in the game? Remember that Kansas newspaper article that analyzed all the managers? Tracy had the best numbers. I believe it was linked on this blog. I mean this quote shows that Tracy clearly has no understanding of statistics, but it might also mean that all managers have no understanding of statistics.
2005-06-21 18:49:20
40.   GoBears
35: I don't think Tracy is a dishonest hack (tho he might be). I just think he is a man without a theory. He manages with his gut, so inconsistency like this is not at all unlikely.
2005-06-21 18:51:04
41.   Steve
39 -- that was a nonsense study, based on one-run games and double plays turned.
2005-06-21 18:51:55
42.   Dodgerkid
Anyone have a link to that study?
2005-06-21 18:55:12
43.   Bob Timmermann
RDGC will be on hiatus from June 27 through July 4.

Also from July 31 through August 7.

Mainly because it helps them last longer closer to the end of the year.

So we will all have one to read in mid September when we start arguing about whether or not Ricky Ledee is getting enough at bats in our quest to stay ahead of the Giants for fourth place.

2005-06-21 18:56:17
44.   brendan glynn
has anyone had TJ surgery twice? and come back from it?
2005-06-21 18:56:19
45.   Marty
Jon, I heard that Tracy quote on the drive home; I nearly went off the freeway. 11 at bats is signifcant? I think he blames Choi for the loss the other night when the umpire blew the call on Kent.
2005-06-21 18:56:46
46.   Linkmeister
I wonder how you say "Whadda I gotta do to get to play around here" in Korean?
2005-06-21 18:57:16
47.   Nick Iyengar
44: I think Dreifort had it twice...not a real confidence booster. I have heard of some other guys, I think, but I can't recall any names.
2005-06-21 18:59:46
48.   Steve
cough, cough, hack, hack
2005-06-21 19:00:10
49.   Dodgerkid
Oh no Bako is gone! God help us! Now it truly is over.
2005-06-21 19:03:19
50.   Marty
And it makes me wonder if Tracy would somehow screw up Adam Dunn if we got him. Same type hitter (although better). But if he strikes out a lot and god forbid hit into a double play once, Tracy might platoon him.
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2005-06-21 19:03:56
51.   Bob Timmermann
Paul Bako is likely better than Mike Rose. But Rose keeps up the recent trend to have catchers with short names:
Dave Ross
Paul Bako
Mike Rose
2005-06-21 19:04:26
52.   Dodgerkid
I'm actually hoping Saenz has a season ending injury so that Choi becomes the primary player.
2005-06-21 19:05:28
53.   Steve
Tracy doesn't deserve Adam Dunn. Make him play with Grabrepwards.

This and Dave Miley getting fired all on the same day. All...too...perfect.

Suddenly, it all seems...too perfect.

2005-06-21 19:05:50
54.   Nick Iyengar
Solid hit for Izzy! Maybe he'll stir from his coma.
2005-06-21 19:07:17
55.   brendan glynn
did Izzy really hit the ball sharply? Wow
2005-06-21 19:08:15
56.   Bob Timmermann
Hey Mark Sweeney wasn't in the lineup at 6 pm!
2005-06-21 19:08:20
57.   Fearing Blue
Nice situational popup from Repko.
2005-06-21 19:08:53
58.   LAT
#45 "I think he blames Choi for the loss the other night when the umpire blew the call on Kent."

Then does he give Choi credit for the bottom of the 9th HR on 6/10 which won the game and the 3HRs on 6/12 which won that game? Otherwise our losing streak would be 10 games, not the 7 (and soon to be 8)that it is.

I am not a Tracy hater but even I have to admit that is lame.

2005-06-21 19:09:27
59.   Jim Hitchcock
C'mon, one for the gimpy!
2005-06-21 19:11:42
60.   scareduck
Eric Enders: time to make up a second batch of those Ghame Over shirts.
2005-06-21 19:12:52
61.   brendan glynn

has he been traded?

2005-06-21 19:12:52
62.   brendan glynn

has he been traded?

2005-06-21 19:13:09
63.   LAT
How can we have a lead off hit and not even advance the runner a single base!!! If it were not pathetic it would be funny.
2005-06-21 19:13:15
64.   brendan glynn
2005-06-21 19:14:10
65.   rory b bellows
Off the subject a little bit but in a chat on BP with Michael Lewis he talked about the Dodgers and the hatred for DePo and in particular the hatred two writers for the LA Times have for him.

As a San Diego fan I think it's funny the hate spewed by Simers and Plaschke against the Dodgers but also am a little confused. It's not like the Dodgers have been very successful for the past 10 years or so. Now granted, the LA Times is a horrible "newspaper" that no one reads anymore but still.....

2005-06-21 19:16:01
66.   brendan glynn

It's just an easy narrative. cheap owner from the east and a computer geek who never played the game angle. never ending stories. they don't even believe it themselves

2005-06-21 19:16:10
67.   GoBears
63: Well, advancing the runner is irrelevant unless he advances all the way around. A runner stranded on 3rd is no better than a runner stranded on 1st. Hence the false value of sacrificing.
2005-06-21 19:18:55
68.   Bob Timmermann
The Devil Rays lead is now just 11-10 in the 8th.

I wish the Dodgers could play the Devil Rays.

2005-06-21 19:19:00
69.   brendan glynn
47-46 San Antonio at halftime
2005-06-21 19:21:17
70.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees are ahead 13-11 after a bases loaded triple by Bernie Williams.
2005-06-21 19:22:24
71.   Jim Hitchcock
Maybe I'm projecting, but Vinny sounds a bit down tonight.
2005-06-21 19:22:54
72.   LAT
#67 Bears I was not advocating a sacrfice. I am simply lamenting this team's inablilty to get more than one base hit in the same inning.
2005-06-21 19:23:15
73.   Vishal
well, if vinny's any kind of a dodger fan, i don't blame him.
2005-06-21 19:25:08
74.   bokonon42
A link to the Michael Lewis BP chat:
2005-06-21 19:25:16
75.   brendan glynn
i confused mark with mike
2005-06-21 19:27:10
76.   joekings
That hit would have been nice last night in the ninth.
2005-06-21 19:27:24
77.   Nick Iyengar
Well at least Saenz produces while eating up HSC's PT.
2005-06-21 19:27:52
78.   Steve
That's the guy Joe Morgan wanted to take home on that single on Sunday.
2005-06-21 19:28:01
79.   Vishal
werth has been doing more dancing than hitting in the batter's box this year.
2005-06-21 19:28:21
80.   Ben P
Was Saenz admiring that hit instead of running it out? As slow as he is, he still should have gotten a 2B.
2005-06-21 19:28:56
81.   Nick Iyengar
When was the last time Werth and Izturis had a hit in the same game?
2005-06-21 19:30:19
82.   LAT
Holly Crap. Werth not only gets a hit but does so with a runner on base.
2005-06-21 19:31:32
83.   joekings
We can't catch a break.
2005-06-21 19:32:03
84.   Steve
Paul LoDuca left tonight's game in the fourth inning with an injury completely foreseeable to any general manager who might have wanted to pay the least attention to detail. Or something like that.
2005-06-21 19:32:38
85.   Bob Timmermann
Werth and Izturis both had hits against the Twins on June 10.
2005-06-21 19:32:56
86.   Marty
84. hamstring?
2005-06-21 19:33:17
87.   Steve
Yankees 19, Devil Rays 11
2005-06-21 19:33:19
88.   Vishal
phillips is now sitting in the dugout thinking about sticky wickets and leg spin
2005-06-21 19:33:53
89.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees have scored 12 runs in the 8th and lead 19-11 over Tampa Bay.

I'm betting that's it not often that one team scores more runs in one inning than the other team scores in the whole game if the opponent has scored 11.

2005-06-21 19:34:30
90.   Bob Timmermann
Whoops, that's 13 runs for the Yankees.


2005-06-21 19:35:21
91.   bigcpa
Back to back to back HR's for the Yankees... 13 in the inning to make it 20-11. Someone update the post-steroid era chart.
2005-06-21 19:35:34
92.   Steve
Bruised right foot, but that's the sort of injury any careful GM is going to watch for.
2005-06-21 19:36:36
93.   Steve
Is Travis Harper having a historically bad two-thirds of an inning? Four homeruns and a triple at least.
2005-06-21 19:37:34
94.   Steve
By the way Aubrey Huff fans, your man went 0-4 in that 11 run rally, dropping his BA down to a cool .251. I would go into his OPS, but I don't think in this case that his .251 is a particularly heavy one.
2005-06-21 19:37:47
95.   Bob Timmermann
Travis Harper is pitching like Paul Wilson!

Chan Ho Park has already given up 5 runs in the first to the Angels.

2005-06-21 19:38:37
96.   bokonon42
From the Lewis chat, in response to a question about everybody's favorite Sportscaster: "In fairness to Joe Morgan--though why start now?-a lot of sports books are as-told-to affairs. He probably has never been fully exposed to the old fashioned idea of the author."
2005-06-21 19:42:48
97.   Steve
96 -- That would explain why Morgan thought Billy Beane "wrote the book." When Morgan "wrote" his book, he really just yammered into a tape deck for awhile, then someone else wrote the book. He thought Lewis was Beane's ghostwriter.
2005-06-21 19:48:47
98.   untitled instrumental demo
Will these guys ever learn not to slide? Or is it just so ingrained because of the other bases that they can't help it?
2005-06-21 19:49:32
99.   molokai
Thank you Yankee's. Sorry boys but I had to bet big on Randy Johnson over Nomo and when I woke up from my nap and saw that the Unit had been worked over by the DevilRays my heart sank like a stone in the Hudson river. I have now been revitalized and will head for the TV to watch the Dodgers break this losing streak. How they can do it with such a pathetic lineup I have no idea but it will happen.
2005-06-21 19:49:33
100.   bokonon42
Worse job: Morgan's ghostwriter or Jeff Weaver's shrink?
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2005-06-21 19:50:23
101.   Nick Iyengar
98: I think it's just a fad.
2005-06-21 19:50:46
102.   Bob Timmermann
Why did Williams bunt with 2 strikes? He's a pretty good hitter.
2005-06-21 19:52:33
103.   Bob Timmermann
How many pitches before Roberts steals?
2005-06-21 19:53:44
104.   Bob Timmermann
The question is still there even though Roberts is at second now.
2005-06-21 19:55:15
105.   Steve
100 -- Dodgers PR man
2005-06-21 19:55:23
106.   molokai
Now is the time get him. Don't you think his 3 year history is more indicative of his talent then this year. He has had no talent around him and is probably trying to hard right now. Put him in between Drew/Kent and I think he'd be a perfect fit.
2005-06-21 19:56:50
107.   Suffering Bruin
For all I know this topic has already been tilled to death but I thought I'd drop in my two cents.

I have limited access to the internet. I have yet to have my DirecTV service transferred to the new pad. The new dog (Chester--Terrier mix--rescue project--we love him--thanks to all for the generous feedback last month) and the familia and the budding teaching career which starts this fall is taking much of my time.

No TV, little internet = not much knowledge about the Dodgers or the grand old game in general.



2005-06-21 19:58:41
108.   rageon
Re: 44 & 47...Yes, Dreifort did have TJ surgery done twice. However, he didn't have problems with his arm after coming back, but rather something in the hip & knee. That his arm came back and he pitched as well as he did in 50 innings is actually quite impressive. But ultimately, the guy is just cursed when it comes to injuries. I'm not sure I've ever heard of a specific diagnosis, but it wouldn't surprise me to to learn that he has some type of degenerative condition that has made him suseptabile to injury.

THe whole Adam Dunn argument lately is confusing to me. Why the resistance to an obvious improvement to the team? Given that we're running Jason f'n Repko out there nearly every night, how can we afford not to go after a player of that caliber is he's available? It seems the anti-Dunn argument seems to focus on him not being as good as others make him out to be. That's fair, I guess. But at worst case, he's still better than Repko...and really Werth, for that matter. At best case, he turns into one of only 5 or so legitimate 50HR hitters in the game. Either way, if a guy like that is available, you've got to take the chance. Think about this, who in baseball 25 and under has a high-end ceiling comparible to Dunn? Pujols, yes. Cabrera, yes. Texeira, yes. Anyone else?

Lastly, the Jim Tracy quote is argravating and comical, all at the same time. Does he really feel that way, or is he simply trying imduce some form of mental breakdown in Depodesta? You know Jim, if you don't want to play Choi, just say so, don't make up lame excuses to sit him. Frankly, seeing as the choice is having either Choi or Perez in the lineup, I think you've GOT to go with Choi, given the state of our offense. Even if it means playing Saenz at 3B. Fine, our defense isn't stellar at the corners. Too bad; I'll live.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Tracy, for a few years, has impressed me. This year, he's been terrible? Is it just me, or has he regressed?

2005-06-21 20:00:07
109.   the OZ
100 - far better to be Weaver's dealer than his shrink. There's more money in it.
2005-06-21 20:00:35
110.   Steve
Did I mention that Alex Cora was 1 for 26 against Woody Williams? Last year?
2005-06-21 20:05:39
111.   Suffering Bruin
But Cora brings so much more to the table, Steve. Or didn't you get the memo?

Oh, that's right. You don't work for the LAT.


Sorry. I'm bitter. The Tracy quote on Choi is beyond belief, devoid of logical sense... just irritating in the extreme.

2005-06-21 20:08:45
112.   Steve
Of course, now that Cora's gone to the Indians, it appears that all he faces are Woody Williams clones.
2005-06-21 20:09:02
113.   Christina
My Fantasy: We rewind in time to the moment after Choi hit his third home run of the game.

After Choi rounds the bases and the crowd finally stops chanting his name...

Tracy steps out, and on a microphone he tells the crowd that he won't be starting Choi against Woody Williams, and gives the infamous quote in explanation.

And we get to watch what happens.

2005-06-21 20:11:15
114.   mikethinksblue
I was listening to the red sox/indians game on XM and was surprised to hear they had Cora playing SS.

Less surprising was his .222 batting average

2005-06-21 20:12:01
115.   Steve
I mean, if 11 at-bats is "significant," then what is 26 at-bats? Consequential? Historic? Substantial? Fate?
2005-06-21 20:12:43
116.   Midwest Blue

I didn't get to comment earlier on another thread, but you and I are surprisingly similar in our team alliances. I'm originally from LA, now live in Chicago and am a lifeling Dodger fan AND Raider fan. I liked the Raiders before they got to LA but it obviously solidified when they were there.

I'm indifferent to annoyed with the Angels (especially the LAA thing -- get your own city).

And I'm a rabid Laker fan as well.

2005-06-21 20:14:47
117.   Steve
OK, the Padres are desperately trying to get us out of the inning. Running around the bases like drunk monkeys and bunting. Time to show them what you're made of, Lowe.
2005-06-21 20:16:12
118.   Sushirabbit
werth shows his worth?
2005-06-21 20:16:52
119.   Suffering Bruin
Let's try to justify what Tracy is doing here with Choi.

a) Tracy truly believes that 11 AB's is a significant barometer.

b) Tracy and Wallach both believe that Choi can't hit Williams and Tracy is using the silly quote as deflection.

c) Tracy is desperate and feels that Choi in the lineup does more harm than good. He simply believes that Choi can't play.

Any other nominees?

2005-06-21 20:17:17
120.   mikethinksblue
there was some serious scrapiness on Werth's throw to home
2005-06-21 20:18:40
121.   Suffering Bruin
120 - que?
2005-06-21 20:19:30
122.   alex 7
Blue, Dodgers/Raiders fan here too. Drop me an email if you'd like some Raider game DVDs to help you through the summer.
2005-06-21 20:21:07
123.   stubbs
Hee-Seop Choi caused the winning run to score for the other team in two losses during the current losing streak. I have no problem with Tracy sitting him down. Why reward Solo-Shot Choi for mental mistakes? Guys like Jason Repko (albeit with a bit more talent) make for winning baseball teams. Why arent there more complaints that Jayson Werth is in the lineup. The guy is a glorafied slap hitter.
2005-06-21 20:21:32
124.   joekings
typical lowe.
2005-06-21 20:22:43
125.   Midwest Blue
122 - Will do Alex!
2005-06-21 20:22:47
126.   alex 7
such a feeling of gloom around the team right now, with all of us just waiting for the unfortunate event to happen.
2005-06-21 20:23:54
127.   alex 7
lol, two runs just seem like a mountain's worth to overcome right now.
2005-06-21 20:24:25
128.   brendan glynn
repko really needs to work on his glove. his mishandling of most ground balls is adding up.
2005-06-21 20:24:40
129.   Steve
123 -- See, everything looks better when your irony meter's on.

Every start, I hope Derek Lowe will get one "big" out. And every start, Jerry keeps having to convince me that Derek Lowe is worth $36 million. It's not working.

2005-06-21 20:25:23
130.   brendan glynn
2005-06-21 20:25:49
131.   Steve
2005-06-21 20:25:59
132.   the OZ

"The Dodgers have been shut out in their last [whatever number] innings [shot of Jim Tracy], and there's nothing Jim Tracy can do about it."

Right. Except play his best hitters and stop putting guaranteed outs in the 2 hole.

2005-06-21 20:26:18
133.   Christina
I guess I should be happy "only" 2 runs were scored, but with the lineup we trotted out for this game...on the other hand, who knew that the Yankees-Devil Rays game would end up 20-11? There's always hope...

(high-fives Midwest Blue)

2005-06-21 20:26:20
134.   alex 7
anyone dare to call a pinch hit game-tying Choi HR? Followed by Choi absolutely raging on Tracy in the dugout. Which then leads to Tracy's immediate resignation. I mean, it could happen right?
2005-06-21 20:27:02
135.   Steve
Convenient to be Jim Tracy, and get all the credit when they're winning, and be completely absolved of all blame when they are losing.
2005-06-21 20:27:47
136.   Midwest Blue
126- I'm with you. I starting to feel like I'm at a wake. COME ON GUYS, SNAP OUT OF IT!!! (He yells while shaking JT in a manner similar to a strangling).

Did Woody Williams really stike out twice in this game on bunts?

2005-06-21 20:28:43
137.   Nagman
Just curious... I don't know if Bob is around...anybody know the Dodger record for consecutive innings without scoring (that would be on the offensive side of things, and yes this streak is very offensive).

Not that I'm counting, but this one is at 18 innings.

2005-06-21 20:28:55
138.   alex 7
Izturis and his "insignificant" 4-45 slump. Repko and his "insignificant" 20-100 slump.
2005-06-21 20:30:14
139.   rageon
#134, does this dream scenario somehow involve Choi "going all Carlos Perez" on Jim Tracy as if he was a water cooler? Because that would be fun.
2005-06-21 20:32:22
140.   the OZ
134 -

As long as we're in fantasyland, I'm sticking with the Tracy-and-Thurston-to-the-Reds-for-Dunn-and-Harang trade being announced by Vin Scully during the 8th inning.

It could happen, right?

2005-06-21 20:34:35
141.   Midwest Blue
Jeff Weaver's little brother is really starting to annoy me...
2005-06-21 20:36:09
142.   Midwest Blue
Okay guys, let's get that last out because we all know we will not be able to score more than 3 runs in this game.
2005-06-21 20:36:40
143.   Nagman
3 runs in this game...

It could happen, right?

2005-06-21 20:36:51
144.   Midwest Blue
YES. It's the little victories that count now.
2005-06-21 20:38:04
145.   Sushirabbit
I don't know, even when the dodger's were winning, he had his detractors. :-)

He has gotten to me, lately, so I don't know maybe he's really going down the tubes.. then again I've gotten to where I am not liking Choi even with his fan-club always going on and on, and then well he seems ok, and then he's hot w/bat but looks like an ice-cube in the field then he makes stupid flub ups. But, hell, that could be partly from feeling like your manager is always about to pull the rug out from under you. It could be that Tracy genuinely doesn't like Choi, because you wouldn't expect him to come out and say "Well, Depo loves the kid, but I think he's a sack of $hite, and I just play him now and again to keep the boss, happy, you know what I mean Platzke?"

I'm liking Tracy and Choi less and less, and Kent and Bradley more. Just wish there was more to like at the moment... like a couple of wins..

2005-06-21 20:41:16
146.   Marty
Guess I picked the wrong day to give up online poker.
2005-06-21 20:41:36
147.   Midwest Blue
You know, if we had our real, non-injured line-up and Choi was in it, we would be in good shape and Werth would be the weakest link, not Choi. I think CHoi would benefit from a winning team and would get with the program, but he's playing with back-ups and AAA kids. I think Choi is JT's designated scapegoat and that's not fair to Choi.
2005-06-21 20:42:00
148.   dzzrtRatt
I just realized Vin Scully pre-records those little historical anecdotes that introduce the sixth inning. I guess it doesn't matter; it's apparent that much of his narrative is scripted, and it's still good.
2005-06-21 20:42:33
149.   Steve
Why doesn't anyone complain when Repko looks at a strike 3 and walks meekly away?

Oh yeah. I just did.

2005-06-21 20:42:52
150.   Nagman
This reminds me of '03 when the commercial break between half innings lasted longer than the Dodger AB.
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2005-06-21 20:43:07
151.   Midwest Blue
I predicted Lowe would be done this inning. I hope I'm wrong.
2005-06-21 20:43:37
152.   Bob Timmermann
Will it ruin the magic if you realize that when Vin is telling that anecdote, he's likely in the bathroom taking care of business?
2005-06-21 20:43:44
153.   Sushirabbit
ha! that's funny.

Bob, Drink the good saki while you're over there and enjoy the good wasabi and ginger!

I love wasabi peas at baseball games.

2005-06-21 20:44:36
154.   brendan glynn
91-86 Detroit with 39.8 seconds left
2005-06-21 20:44:55
155.   Suffering Bruin
145 - Why dost thou not likest Choi?

Bad defense? Okay. He's not a gold glove.
Makes mistakes? Yeah, he does.

Beyond that, he's slugging over .600, works his tail off everywhere he goes, plays for the fans, is likeable according to one and all... I just don't see the reason for not wanting a guy like that on your team.

2005-06-21 20:46:34
156.   Suffering Bruin
153 - more importantly, which restaurant are you talking about??
2005-06-21 20:47:31
157.   Steve
The Book Of Choi:

"And Thou Shalt Put The Korean Man In The Lineup In The Second Spot. In the First Spot, The Korean Man shalt not go, nor shalt he go in the Third Spot. And the Fourth Spot shalt be right out."

2005-06-21 20:50:07
158.   Marty
wasabi peas? I love the sound of that!
2005-06-21 20:51:14
159.   Nagman
Positive news of the day: Four consecutive quality starts.

A close second: Werth makes contact.

2005-06-21 20:51:26
160.   Sam DC
153 -- I stronly disagree. There is nothing, nothing funny about 138. 138 is pulling the wings off of ladybugs not funny.
2005-06-21 20:51:41
161.   Sam DC
2005-06-21 20:53:11
162.   Sushirabbit
Honestly, I think mostly because so many here are always singing his praises. I like it better when there's no need for that kinda stuff. I like Choi the guy, but the player gives me the Dreifort creepies, like he's just doomed.

Choi, looks goofy to me at first. But then again he has made some good plays and has the soft hands. I can always see both sides too easily, I have to say Tracy is not making it better. I like it that Saenz was at third and Choi at first. I'd give that a chance. But tracy is clearly a dufus for not playing choi.

I'm not sure now that even a pitcher would help us. It would suck to be Depo, especially if the owner is not willing to spend.

2005-06-21 20:53:31
163.   joekings
Werth is good at taking that strike three.
2005-06-21 20:54:03
164.   Suffering Bruin
"And whosoever shall put Choi on the pine against northpaw pitcher, verily I say unto thee such man will be known as the wicked man. And the wicked man will not know peace. His decisions will beget detractors that will be fruitful and multiply, the minions of doom will plague him and his tongue will stick to the roof of his mouth with great frequency causing no end of agitation. Thus it is written."
2005-06-21 20:54:05
165.   stubbs
how does werth not swing there? Is he worried he'll lose his moneyball membership?
2005-06-21 20:55:07
166.   Nagman
I heard this on the Padre broadcast, I'm sure its been used here... the "enigmatic Hee Seop Choi". Perfect.
2005-06-21 20:55:19
167.   Midwest Blue
Oh my God, I thought I just saw a hit. Was I dreaming?
2005-06-21 20:56:31
168.   Marty
166. Yes, he's an enigma wrapped in kimchee
2005-06-21 20:56:42
169.   fanerman91
According to, we have 3 hits. Didn't we have 4 before? Is our offense so bad that we get negative hits?
2005-06-21 20:57:11
170.   Midwest Blue
What, a two-out rally ?!? Oh, Grabowski's up. Nevermind.
2005-06-21 20:57:15
171.   kngoworld
It is a dream because we just got another one.
2005-06-21 20:57:19
172.   Nagman
167 - No, that was real. But if you see a run scored, pinch yourself.
2005-06-21 20:57:31
173.   bokonon42
Vin said Grabowski was on deck. Is it really Choi coming in?
2005-06-21 20:57:38
174.   Steve
"Once the number two, being the second batter, be reached, then battest thy Holy Bat of Hee Seop Choi, against thine enemies, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'"
2005-06-21 20:57:46
175.   Suffering Bruin
We got five hits. I don't know what to do with myself.
2005-06-21 20:58:16
176.   Midwest Blue
Now is the time to pinch-hit for Grabowski. Dare I say it...Choi?
2005-06-21 20:58:26
177.   Bob Timmermann
It could be worse

The Dodgers lost 16 straight from June 28 through July 16 in 1944.

They actuallly lost 15 straight games during those dates and had one suspended which was picked up in August and they lost that one too and it's considered to have been played on the first date.

2005-06-21 20:58:28
178.   joekings
If Boche brings in a lefthander Tracy might counter with a right-hander.....mmm who's our good righthanded pinch hitter?
2005-06-21 20:59:59
179.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have only two lefties in their pen and they both stink: Hammond and Reyes.
2005-06-21 21:00:00
180.   Steve
It is taking all my good sense as a Dodger Fan not to root against Grabowski here. I'm giving it everything I've got. I want Jason Grabowski to succeed.
2005-06-21 21:00:34
181.   Nagman
178, I'd have to say Weaver.
2005-06-21 21:01:24
182.   kngoworld
2005-06-21 21:01:31
183.   joekings
I don't believe what i just saw!
2005-06-21 21:01:55
184.   dzzrtRatt
threw his bat at it like he was tossing out an old milk carton.
2005-06-21 21:02:03
185.   Steve
I'm having a Norman Vincent Peale moment here. Excuse me.
2005-06-21 21:02:04
186.   bokonon42
Maybe Choi bats for Scrapko is Izzy gets on. Grabs to RF. . .
2005-06-21 21:02:11
187.   Suffering Bruin
I'll take it.
2005-06-21 21:02:29
188.   DeucesAreWild
Do you believe in miracles?
2005-06-21 21:02:41
189.   bokonon42
By which I mean: never mind.
2005-06-21 21:02:42
190.   Midwest Blue
I'm pinching. I'm pinching. Ow.. that feels good.
2005-06-21 21:02:52
191.   stubbs
my tv is fuzzy, i just got some double a feed where someone named grabowski knocked in Antonio Perez?
2005-06-21 21:02:53
192.   Nagman
Wow, a straight number on the line score...
2005-06-21 21:02:55
193.   rageon
I was starting to think I was living in some kind of bizzaro world, but Cesar made sure to remind me that I wasn't.

Seriously, 1 pitch?

2005-06-21 21:03:05
194.   Icaros
What a terrible AB for Izturis. Really, the guy is so overrated it's not even funny.
2005-06-21 21:03:32
195.   Christina
And stupid Sportsline finally catches up...sorta.
2005-06-21 21:03:58
196.   Midwest Blue
Rally killer. Trade him.
2005-06-21 21:04:28
197.   kngoworld
HA, that would be a whole new "heart of the team" deal
2005-06-21 21:04:44
198.   Sam DC
Dave Hansen who?
2005-06-21 21:05:03
199.   Sushirabbit
160, 168, 181,
it's nice to know I can still laugh.

No specific restaurant. In fact, I've never even been to Japan, but I have friends who know I love sushi. If you ever come to Nashville, though, I got all kinds of recommendations.

2005-06-21 21:05:58
200.   Nagman
I'm trying to figure out if we're truly overjoyed to score a run or if its sarcasm.
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2005-06-21 21:06:21
201.   Icaros
Re: trading Izturis. I'd do it in a second. At this point, I'm frustrated enough to make trades just to piss everyone off.

Of course we'd get the better of the deal.

2005-06-21 21:06:34
202.   Steve
I knew that when Plaschke said it was Izzy's team it was only a matter of time before the inevitable divorce.

Of course, that was the other night when he bunted in the ninth, but I'm not really looking into reconciliation.

Truly, this team confuses me. Am I happy that Grabowski just lengthened his rope another month? I have no idea.

2005-06-21 21:07:21
203.   kngoworld
200 - took 20+ innings, im overjoyed!
2005-06-21 21:08:03
204.   Sushirabbit
fyi, laptops stink in my book. I need a wireless keyboard, cause I can't type on these things......

much rather have Kent in my dugout than klesko.

2005-06-21 21:08:15
205.   Bob Timmermann
I know not to eat sushi at a Japanese baseball stadium. They serve some really bad stuff there. The sushi at Koshien Stadium was made with some really nasty vinegar.

I like to stick to the takoyaki. Little dumplings with octopus centers.


You can also get hot dogs and pizza at games. No peanuts in shells however.
You have to eat edamame if you want to crack something open.

2005-06-21 21:08:33
206.   Midwest Blue
A Sushirabbit in Nashville? I never would have guessed.
2005-06-21 21:08:36
207.   Icaros
Let's start game chatting for Jacksonville instead.

We'll all be much happier, except when Edwin pitches.

2005-06-21 21:09:23
208.   Nick Iyengar
194- Izturis appears to be overrated given his slump, but when he was hitting .350 a little while ago, we were a lot less critical. It's not like he's now become a different player, and therefore is more overrated than he was before.

I do agree that he is overrated somewhat, but I also feel that nobody else in the NL is really on a par with him, taking into account hitting and fielding.

2005-06-21 21:09:36
209.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
We finally get one frigg'n run, and now the pen's walking people like mad. Ughhh...


2005-06-21 21:09:51
210.   dzzrtRatt
What was Wunsch throwing? He's got one pitch, he throws it the same place every time. The first guy struck out, and the rest of the hitters just sit and wait for the free pass.
2005-06-21 21:10:05
211.   dzzrtRatt
What was Wunsch throwing? He's got one pitch, he throws it the same place every time. The first guy struck out, and the rest of the hitters just sit and wait for the free pass.
2005-06-21 21:11:14
212.   Sushirabbit
has there ever been a switch pitcher?
and would that even be legal?
2005-06-21 21:11:50
213.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Izzy is over-rated, but we don't have any other real options at SS. I like A. Perez's bat out of that position, but his glove just isn't good enough. That would mean any trade would have to involve us getting a SS in return, who would probably be less valuable than Izzy.


2005-06-21 21:12:21
214.   Nagman
I'm going to refrain from joining the complaining about the pitching.
(wow, that's a lot of 'ings).
2005-06-21 21:13:20
215.   Midwest Blue
Gio. That will be an improvement. These days, when we bring in a reliever, I feel like we're playing Russian Roulette and the only question is when will we blow our brains out?

Any Deer Hunter fans here?

2005-06-21 21:13:21
216.   Steve
Speaking of shortstops, what is the latest status of Joel Guzman's future position in the big leagues? Is he playing short with LaRoche playing third in Jax? Are we still speculating to an extent on that?
2005-06-21 21:14:11
217.   Steve
Carrara is the Killer Rabbit.
2005-06-21 21:14:32
218.   Bob Timmermann
This was in the story about Gagne:

"Dreifort suffers from a degenerative condition in which his connective tissues steadily break down. Although he returned to pitch following his second elbow operation, the rest of Dreifort's body broke down and he will spend the entire 2005 season on the disabled list following four offseason operations."

So what is this condition that Dreifort has? Does it have a particular name?

2005-06-21 21:15:03
219.   Sushirabbit
you talkin' to me? :-)
I'm with you on that...
2005-06-21 21:15:43
220.   Sam DC
Since someone mentioned Edwin Jackson, thought I'd pass along this outsider's view on Jackson and magic pitching coaches from today's Wash Post chat with writer Les Carpenter:

Washington, D.C.: Given the lack of clear #1 or #2 starters on the trade market right now, doesn't it seem the best course of action for the O's right now is to just sit tight, instead of giving away their highly regarding prospects for someone who might not even be any better than what they already have?

Les Carpenter: Well the key there is Hayden Penn. I'd be hesitant to trade him given the heart he has shown in the games he's pitched. But the hardest thing to do in this game is predict greatness for young pitchers. A good example, look at Edwin Jackson whom the Dodgers called up at age 20 a couple years ago. He was very impressive, they've held him out of good trades -- one for Javier Vazquez for one -- and now he's freefalling through LA's organization.

If you're close you might make the move. One thing that can affect a team's decision to trade young pitchers is how much that organization trusts its pitching coach. The O's have a good one in Ray Miller. And so they might be tempted to hold onto some young guys to let Miller work with them.

2005-06-21 21:16:28
221.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Harris switch pitched for an inning when he was with the Expos at the end of his career.

When I was researching the Dodgers 1889 season, I came across something about St. Louis Browns pitcher Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain throwing both left and right-handed.

But he was throwing underhanded most of the time and not using a glove so it wasn't as tricky.

2005-06-21 21:17:03
222.   Midwest Blue
Thank the one above.
2005-06-21 21:17:12
223.   joekings
The 8th is our real good last shot, if those boys don't come through I don't feel too good about who's after them in the lineup, even with Hoffman pitching.
2005-06-21 21:17:20
224.   Dodgerkid
Bob I believe Dreifort's condition is known in the medical community as Gingerbreadmanitis.
2005-06-21 21:17:34
225.   Steve
nasty big pointy teeth
2005-06-21 21:17:59
226.   Icaros

We all knew his hitting .350 wouldn't last because he has no plate discipline.

Take Drew, for example. Even when he goes 0 for 25 he's drawing walks and prolonging innings. Izturis is an out machine.

I also don't think his defense is quite as miraculous as others do.

2005-06-21 21:18:33
227.   Bob Timmermann
221 was pretty much entered solely so I could reference Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain because I think that "Icebox" is a very good nickname.
2005-06-21 21:18:50
228.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Gio comes through.

After Repko, we get Drew and Kent coming up. Hope lives!

Re: 216 My impression was that Guzman would go back to SS for now. With LaRoche tearing it up, the organization may soon need to make a decision on whether or not we should move Guzman to RF as Baseball America has projected. Then again, since DePo seems to want to be more conservative about promoting Guzman, that may be something they won't decide on until next season.


2005-06-21 21:18:52
229.   Icaros
215 - Mao!
2005-06-21 21:20:57
230.   Sam DC
If George Gervin and William Perry adopted a kid, his nickname could be Icebox.
2005-06-21 21:21:06
231.   Steve
Icaros, would you like to shoot Repko now, or wait until you get home?
2005-06-21 21:21:26
232.   Christina
Nice to see that although the Sanchez-jinx experiment failed, I'm still good luck for Gio for now.

Though, I am considering sticking with not watching Sanchez while he's pitching. Yes, he imploded two nights ago when I had the TV off, but there were special circumstances--i.e. he shouldn't have been out there in the first place, since he'd just pitched the night before.

2005-06-21 21:21:48
233.   Nick Iyengar
Icaros- I agree it was totally unrealistic to expect Izturis to hit .350. I also see your point about his walk rate/OBP being unspectacular. Still, who's a better shortstop in the NL right now?

I'm open to moving Izzy down in the order (maybe hitting second, he's a good contact hitter), but to me trading him makes no sense at all.

2005-06-21 21:22:11
234.   the OZ
Explain the logic to me:


Which one of these, batting 2nd, is not like the others? These must be some serious professional-ness or situational-ness happening there to justify the lineup spot, right?

2005-06-21 21:22:27
235.   Icaros
231 - I'll just shoot myself instead.
2005-06-21 21:22:38
236.   Icaros
231 - I'll just shoot myself instead.
2005-06-21 21:23:23
237.   Icaros
I only sent it once, I swear.
2005-06-21 21:24:44
238.   Midwest Blue
Now I'm starting to reget that they got that run in the 7th. At least there would be a streak to keep watch on.
2005-06-21 21:24:53
239.   Bob Timmermann
I'm trying to picture George Gervin and William Perry coming in as a couple to an adoption agency now.
2005-06-21 21:26:03
240.   bokonon42
I like Izzy, and I wonder what Izzy detractors expect out of a SS. There aren't ten better hitting SSs in the MLB. There aren't two better fielding ones. It isn't his fault Tracy bats him first; it isn't his fault Tracy thinks he can steal bases. At 3.3/yr. he may be 'over-rated' but he isn't overpaid. And he's fun to watch.
2005-06-21 21:26:47
241.   Sushirabbit
DT, won't be the same without you while you are gone, Bob.
2005-06-21 21:26:48
242.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Is CF Chen hurt down in AAA? I thought I read a post on DT that said that. What's Cody Ross' status? I'm trying to think of alternatives to Repko within the organization.


2005-06-21 21:26:57
243.   Steve
Why does Repko bat second when he starts but Grabowski bats seventh when he starts? What is it about Repko? It makes no sense whatsoever.
2005-06-21 21:27:48
244.   Dodgerkid
Throw that melon head out!!!
2005-06-21 21:29:49
245.   Icaros
233 - I think most NL shortstops are equally average, from K. Greene to O. Vizquel. Izturis is better than most, but not by a huge margin.

I advocate trading him because we could probably get something really good in return. Replacing him would not be as hard as many believe.

2005-06-21 21:31:05
246.   Midwest Blue
I know of a better leadoff hitter. He's .284 4 HR 24 RBI and .793 OPS. Can you guess who?
2005-06-21 21:31:22
247.   kngoworld
You think we could pull a win when we pay off the umpires.
2005-06-21 21:31:28
248.   Steve
I just want to read Plaschke's column after we dump him, really.
2005-06-21 21:31:28
249.   Bob Timmermann
I'll still drop by on vacation, but I have to go rent computer time and, no offense, I don't know if I want to sit at a Kinko's in Japan for several hours and pay $40 for the privilege.
2005-06-21 21:32:13
250.   bokonon42
245- I'm not opposed, per se, but I think you might be over-rating how over-rated he is.
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2005-06-21 21:32:23
251.   Christina
I don't suppose there is any chance whatsoever that we will pinch hit for Werth in the 9th. Seems to me that when we're down 1, we might as well take the chance even though no one on the bench plays outfield regularly.

Is that way too radical or what? I just feel like when you're down to your last three outs, you should maximize your offensive chances and roll the dice.

2005-06-21 21:32:50
252.   Dodgerkid
Izturis should definitely be traded. Perez to short, Edwards to third, pray that Bradley comes back and Werth learns to hit again.
2005-06-21 21:33:12
253.   Midwest Blue
Why did Bochy get thrown out?
2005-06-21 21:33:19
254.   Dodgerkid
Good luck with the exchange rate Bob.
2005-06-21 21:33:20
255.   Icaros
And why does Repko get so much credit for his defense, anyway?
2005-06-21 21:33:25
256.   Steve
That was a very scrappily misplayed flyball.
2005-06-21 21:33:51
257.   Sushirabbit
russian roulette with 5 bullets...
that's a .01 on the scrappy-facto-meter
2005-06-21 21:33:54
258.   Nagman
Unless we get to the pitcher's spot, I doubt Choi gets in unless he hits for Perez.
2005-06-21 21:34:03
259.   brendan glynn
repko might be scrappy but he isn't fearless. kind of wussed out on that one.
2005-06-21 21:34:06
260.   LAT
Dave Roberts=power hitter???

If he didn't watch it it might have been ITPHR

2005-06-21 21:34:35
261.   bokonon42
Then again, I might be over-rating how over-rated your rating of his over-rated-ness is.
2005-06-21 21:34:48
262.   Nagman
253 - chirping from the dugout on a called strike. A very quick hook.
2005-06-21 21:35:20
263.   brendan glynn

arguing balls and strikes

2005-06-21 21:37:18
264.   Icaros
I think you might be over-rating how over-rated he is.

You may be right. Like I said, I'd only trade him if we can fleece some idiot GM who thinks a .280-hitting SS who plays good defense is as valuable as a good starting pitcher and/or prospect.

2005-06-21 21:37:54
265.   bokonon42
252- I don't think it's fair that part of your plan is Bradley gets healthy. Trading Izzy doesn't affect that. Anyway, what did they get, if Edwards is at third and Antonio "The Butcher" Perez is at short?
2005-06-21 21:39:16
266.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Gio comes through again.

At least only one of our upcoming hitters (Werth) is an automatic out. Saenz has some power, A. Perez is an on-base machine, and Phillips' average is due for an uptick. Hope still lives!


2005-06-21 21:39:32
267.   Christina
261 - hee.

I'd listen to offers for Izzy because I'd listen to offers for anyone. But how many teams are really interested in an upgrade at shortstop? (Serious question, not snarky.) Which teams are those? Do they have anything we'd want?

2005-06-21 21:39:40
268.   Midwest Blue
Saenz hits a homerun to tie the game.
2005-06-21 21:39:45
269.   brendan glynn

agreed but that being said I still want Izzy and Kent to start in the all star game.

2005-06-21 21:39:46
270.   Steve
If Perez moved to short, his assimilation as Darth Offerman would be complete. (Vader music plays in the background)
2005-06-21 21:41:11
271.   alex 7
bad feeling that we may not see Choi hit for Werth or Perez.
2005-06-21 21:41:18
272.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 264

I don't see Edwards as an adequate long-term replacement at 3B, and we need a better glove at SS than A. Perez. I'd be open to trading Izzy, but we'd need to also get a decent SS in addition to the quality starter and/or corner OF.


2005-06-21 21:41:19
273.   Fearing Blue
#233: "Still, who's a better SS in the NL right now?"

The following NL shorstops have better VORP-rates than Cesar Izturis (at least 200 PAs):

Felipe Lopez
Bill Hall
David Eckstein
Omar Vizquel
Jimmy Rollins
Alex Gonzalez
Neifi Perez

Of those, the following have better fielding statistics (BP's Rate2):

Bill Hall
Davin Eckstein
Omar Vizquel
Neifi Perez

I'd still take Izturis over any of them longterm due to his age, but he certainly hasn't been spectacular. As long as his can get his OBP to hover around .330, I think he should stay in the leadoff spot. If it drops below that, he should move to the bottom of the lineup. He doesn't have enough pop (or really anything besides AVG) to bat 2nd.

Due to Izturis' slump, David Eckstein seems to be more deserving of being the NL's starting shortstop in the All-Star game.

2005-06-21 21:41:56
274.   Nagman
It's meant to be!
2005-06-21 21:41:59
275.   bokonon42
Dodgerkid- I just re-read and you didn't say what I attributed to you. Sorry about that. Praying that he gets healthy isn't the same as planning on it.
2005-06-21 21:42:16
276.   Icaros
267 - Good question.
2005-06-21 21:42:20
277.   Steve


2005-06-21 21:42:40
278.   Sam DC
SO, I'm sitting here wondering if 268 is informational or aspirational. here, I go. . . click.


2005-06-21 21:43:57
279.   Bob Timmermann
Bet you weren't thinking that it was catcher's interference did you Sam?
2005-06-21 21:44:04
280.   Steve
Werth appears to have studied film of Grabowski's pre-"injury" at-bats. The ones where every called strike was an affront to humanity.
2005-06-21 21:44:24
281.   LAT
SCSR: Stay tuned after the game for interview with Jamie McCourt. Now the Dodgers are in the middle of an 8 game losing streak and the Dodgers trot out Jamie. Where is Paul? Where is Frank? How stupid do they think we are? I continue to dislike them alot. They are one notch above Donald Sterling.
2005-06-21 21:44:51
282.   brendan glynn
why isn't werth bunting!!!!!
2005-06-21 21:45:18
283.   Icaros
272 - Robles or Jose Flores could play SS for now and the dropoff wouldn't be too great.

273 - .330 OBP is terrible for a leadoff guy.

2005-06-21 21:45:21
284.   Mark
281 - But still a few notches below Bernie Ecclestone.
2005-06-21 21:45:24
285.   Nagman
Catcher's Interference -- does that fall into the Smartball or Moneyball category?
2005-06-21 21:45:47
286.   the OZ
OK, so why does Choi bunt a runner to third in a one-run game but Werth doesn't bunt a runner to second in a one-run game?

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's not bunting, but it showns our manager's maddening inconsistency and Choi hatred.

2005-06-21 21:45:51
287.   Nick Iyengar
273: i think izzy was on top of the VORP rating before his slump. obviously you have to count the slump, but like i've said, he's not a different player than he was before the slump. he's still got the same talent, ability, etc.
2005-06-21 21:46:13
288.   bokonon42
If we're tearing down to rebuild next year (I'm not necessarily opposed to that, either) shouldn't Kent be the one to go? There've got to be plenty of teams who could use him, he may not be overpaid, but he's making pleny, and will be next year when he turns 40. Perez was a 2B in the minors, right? Maybe he won't look so ugly there.
2005-06-21 21:46:29
289.   LAT
Have to admit nice AB by Werth
2005-06-21 21:46:46
290.   Sam DC
As suggested, not the resolution I expected. But I'll take it. Hadn't thought of Edwards as the pinch runner type, though you really only have upside when PR'ing for Olmedo, I guess.
2005-06-21 21:46:58
291.   alex 7
confidence here after getting to Hoffman last night. Bunt would be fine here.
2005-06-21 21:47:33
292.   Steve
2005-06-21 21:47:43
293.   the OZ
Smartball™. Definitely Smartball.

Geting a catcher's interference is one of the hallmarks of a professional hitter.

OHHHHH, of COURSE ask the .340 hitter to bunt so the .250 hitter can drive the run in!

2005-06-21 21:47:50
294.   brendan glynn
Izzy doesn't deserve to start all star game but want him to do anyway.

God I was kidding about werth bunting and then he had perez bunt. when does he stop banging his head against the wall.

2005-06-21 21:47:56
295.   LAT
This just in: Steve's head exploded.
2005-06-21 21:48:13
296.   DeucesAreWild
Here comes the Philips DP.
2005-06-21 21:48:21
297.   alex 7
excuse me. A successful bunt would be fine here.
2005-06-21 21:48:25
298.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh

Trace shouldn't have put the bunt on, but once it was put on, A. Perez needed to get it down.

Hopefully Phillips and/or Choi will play the hero.


2005-06-21 21:48:33
299.   Fearing Blue
#293: The fast .340 hitter who is unlikely to GIDP.
2005-06-21 21:48:36
300.   rageon
Where the hell is Choi!?!?!!!
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2005-06-21 21:48:38
301.   Mark
Ok, serious question: is it that much harder to hit a sac fly to right, rather than bunting?
2005-06-21 21:48:49
302.   Steve
So we kill the .340 hitter, and base our chances on Jason Phillips. Meanwhile, Trevor Hoffman can't hit the broad side of a barn but we'll just give them that out.
2005-06-21 21:48:59
303.   Icaros
Tracy needs to realize that not only is bunting stupid, but none of his players can actually do it.

His GM does not acquire players who are good bunters, so why does he keep trying?

2005-06-21 21:48:59
304.   DeucesAreWild
There's the tying run...
2005-06-21 21:49:32
305.   Xeifrank
Sorry, just got back from St Louis. Stupid Tracy bunts with no outs and first and second. Fire the man already.
vr, Xei
2005-06-21 21:49:33
306.   joekings
What is Tracy thinking? The pitcher can't make a strike to save himself and we bunt on his first pitch.
2005-06-21 21:49:35
307.   Nagman
Ouch. Where is that successful sacrifice.
2005-06-21 21:49:40
308.   Mark
Uh, nevermind.
2005-06-21 21:49:43
309.   Fearing Blue
In Tracy's defense, that would have scored the run if Perez got the bunt down.
2005-06-21 21:49:54
310.   LAT
I hope that lays to rest the "whether to bunt" debate.
2005-06-21 21:49:55
311.   rageon
Better late than never, I guess.
2005-06-21 21:50:11
312.   Midwest Blue
Here it or sit forever. That's fair.
2005-06-21 21:50:14
313.   Steve
298 -- he got it down. That's all he knows how to do is bump it back to the pitcher. We have to stop pretending that we know how to do that. Tracy needs an intervention.
2005-06-21 21:50:14
314.   Sushirabbit
0 for 2, that's a significant history
2005-06-21 21:50:16
315.   Dodger Blue Notes
Why isnt Werth on third?
2005-06-21 21:50:23
316.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Choi needs to get it done here. I don't want him working a walk with Izzy on deck.


2005-06-21 21:50:39
317.   capdodger
281- I'd bet DePo is working the phones. Too busy to bother with the SCSR.

A bunt.
With two on and none out.
When the pitches haven't been doing what they're supposed to be doing for Hofmann tonight or last night.
For the catcher and pitchers's spot.


Hope Choi crushes one and then eats Tracy.

2005-06-21 21:50:44
318.   brendan glynn
this will be ugly 0-2
2005-06-21 21:51:04
319.   Bob Timmermann
Craig Counsell reached first on catcher's interference SIX times last year.

Saenz was the first Dodger to reach on catcher's inference in SEVEN years. (Bobby Bonilla in 1998.)

2005-06-21 21:51:17
320.   alex 7
sigh. this is sad.
2005-06-21 21:51:40
321.   Midwest Blue
He'll never play again. DFA
2005-06-21 21:51:52
322.   Nick Iyengar
the pride of pusan!
the soul of seoul!

let's go HSC

2005-06-21 21:51:52
323.   rageon
Well, I guess Hee Seop will take the blame for this one. You know, not being clutch and all. I'm running out of patienc with the A's and Dodgers. It's hard to follow baseball right now.
2005-06-21 21:54:01
324.   Nagman
Where are the optimists? I need somebody to cheer me up and tell me how we'll still be in good shape after we win the next two.
2005-06-21 21:54:08
325.   Steve
Bobby Bonilla does something good!

I mean, how many times does the bunt have to fail over this eight game losing streak before you give up and try something else? We can't bunt. I really don't care, and neither should you. But we should all at least agree that whatever one would do in a perfect world where our lineup is filled with nothing but Craig Counsells and Scott Podsedniks, we can't bunt, and should stop trying.

2005-06-21 21:54:15
326.   capdodger
Does Tracy realize that there are players who bunt well and those that don't. And that when you have a team full of the latter it's best to just let them swing away and hope for the best. sigh
2005-06-21 21:54:31
327.   Xeifrank
I go out of town for 8 days with the city on it's feet chanting for Choi who clubs something like 6 home runs over 3 days. Then i come back and see they are 6.5 games out and on an 8 game losing streak and they lost their closer for the season and Jim Tracy F-ups another game as soon as I turn the T.V. on when I get back home from the trip. Should've stayed on vacation.
vr, Xei
2005-06-21 21:54:49
328.   Christina
I'm glad this one wasn't on TV. Following along on Sportsline was annoying enough.

But, rageon, the As are doing really well right now. They won yesterday and they won today, and they took two of three from the red-hot Phillies over the weekend.

2005-06-21 21:55:33
329.   Sushirabbit
maybe we can re-name the jacksonville suns, the los angeles suns of jacksonville?

I'd watch some games if it were on extra innings.

night, y'all

2005-06-21 21:56:56
330.   Steve
Jerry was lucky enough to go to the Ogden game tonight.
2005-06-21 21:57:17
331.   joekings
I can't take anymore! I just can't! Who's pitching tommorrow?
2005-06-21 21:57:37
332.   brendan glynn

kent turned 37 in March. he won't be 40 until 2008.

2005-06-21 21:59:01
333.   LAT
Carolyn Hughs looks like Briana Banks. Hey if I can't watch good baseball there's always. . .
2005-06-21 21:59:29
334.   Icaros
It's like Jon wrote a couple weeks ago, Jim Tracy has not adjusted to the type of team he is managing. He's putting square pegs into round holes, unsuccessfully.

I think DePodesta is as much to blame, though. Does he watch the games? He is Tracy's boss, and if he cannot communicate to Tracy the proper way to manage this team, he is failing as a GM.

2005-06-21 22:00:09
335.   Midwest Blue
329 - I agree. Can we get MLBEI to start televising Jacksonville instead of the Dodgers? Then at least I'll have something to hope for by the time Gagne gets back (loooooong sigh)
2005-06-21 22:01:08
336.   brendan glynn
Hire Kevin Kennedy.

Kevin just said he would question why you have a .340 hitter bunt so a .260 hitter can win the game.

2005-06-21 22:01:48
337.   Icaros

I always thought you were too wholesome to know who Briana Banks is.

I've found new respect for you (not that I didn't have respect for you already, but you know what I mean).

2005-06-21 22:02:47
338.   Bob Timmermann
Roberto Kelly reached on catcher's interference in a game against the Reds in 1995.

Dave Hansen did it in 1992.
Mike Huff, 1989.
In 1985, Mike Scioscia and R.J. Reynolds did it. And Scioscia also did it in the NLCS.
In 1984, R.J. Reynolds
Fernando Valenzuela in 1983.

Well, enough of that.

2005-06-21 22:03:04
339.   Steve
336 -- YAY!!

Did he point out that Alex Cora, for his career, is 1 for 26 against Woody Williams?

2005-06-21 22:04:04
340.   Christina
Y'know, if Tracy's going to insist on ordering bunts, you'd think he'd at least order that the players practice bunting.

Incompetence all the way around.

2005-06-21 22:04:08
341.   capdodger
329, 325- Or just DFA the Dodgers and bring all the Suns up to the show. That would have to set some kind of record for the youngest mean team age or something. It would be more fun to watch the kids get slaughtered and occasionally win a game than to watch this .
2005-06-21 22:05:05
342.   capdodger
Who's Kevin Kennedy? Does Depo have his phone number?
2005-06-21 22:05:28
343.   kngoworld
Every dodger player is required to lay down three bunt attempts in BP before he can hack away.
2005-06-21 22:05:54
344.   Steve
341 - I'm for it. DFA everybody but Repko, because he's scrappy.
2005-06-21 22:07:26
345.   Nagman
343, the key word there must be attempts.
2005-06-21 22:07:35
346.   LAT
Icaros, Thanks. I knew I could count on you to know.
2005-06-21 22:08:14
347.   bokonon42
332- You're right. I'm going to have to start looking things up before posting. Or else you people are going to have to stop knowing so much. . .
2005-06-21 22:08:26
348.   Christina
Three good bunts, in varying directions, or does any bunt attempt count no matter how crappy? Because if it's the latter, then it doesn't help at all.
2005-06-21 22:10:24
349.   Icaros
Good point, Christina. I was going to say the same thing.
2005-06-21 22:12:04
350.   Icaros
Icaros, Thanks. I knew I could count on you to know.

Part of me wonders how you knew I would know, but I'm not ashamed at all.

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2005-06-21 22:12:04
351.   kngoworld
345 & 348:
3 bunts total
1 to each side and 1 up the middle. Never understood the one back to the pitcher. Attempts is the key word. If the bunt rolls foul there is never a re-bunt.
2005-06-21 22:13:31
352.   kngoworld
Although, on occassion, some batters will take a few extra, im assuming at their own choice.
2005-06-21 22:13:33
353.   Steve
No bunting!
2005-06-21 22:14:23
354.   Sam DC
I'm slowly realizing that, if I google Briana Banks here at work, my computer is going to explode.
2005-06-21 22:17:36
355.   Icaros
Don't do it at work, Sam. Save it for a private moment.
2005-06-21 22:22:08
356.   LAT
Can barely stomach this peice on Jamie McCourt. She is the highest ranking female in baseball but claims she did not get there by being Frank's wife. I must have missed the part where they showed her working her way up the baseball ladder. I'm waiting to see if they will show the little tin can she totes Frank's nuts around in. If you want to show a successful woman making it in baseball profile Kim Ng. She has earned her stripes.

I don't take anything away from Jamie's accomplishments as an attorney and businesswoman for 15 years but, her baseball experience is equal to mine. Which is, of course, none. So now this new PR firm the McCourt's have hired is going to sell her as having earned the posititon. I imagine we will next see a fluff piece on how thier son earned the Director of Marketing position. Why can't Jamie just say we are fortunate we are learning and hope to better the team and community.

Memo to Donald Sterling: Just sit tight for a while and these jackasses will make you look like Jerry Buss.

2005-06-21 22:22:38
357.   Christina
Steve, I agree with no bunting. But I was curious if, since JT is so stuck on bunting, he's at least trying to get the players to improve their bunting. It may be splitting hairs, since either way he's still screwing up in ordering the bunts at all, but I'm looking at my 401K fund options and this is actually less depressing than that.

(Although I know intellectually that time is on my side, these funds will trend upwards in the long run, blah blah blah, it's still depressing to know in the short term that every dollar I put in is going to shrink. Not one of these funds are in the black for the year to date.)

2005-06-21 22:25:01
358.   LAT
Sam, Sorry, don't do it at work you will be called into the HR person's office in the morning.
2005-06-21 22:25:28
359.   Steve
Bunting is like 401K fund options. It shrinks runs.

No Bunting!

2005-06-21 22:34:09
360.   Christina
Fortunately, I myself am not at work.

Her eyes are kinda creepy--she should keep them closed for pictures. Or at least do succubi-type porn movies. (Though she may well have, for all I know--I didn't check her catalogue that closely. Heh.)

2005-06-21 22:34:24
361.   Xeifrank
Can't wait to read what the FJT blog says tomorrow morning! :)

JT looked like he was about to cry on the SCSR interview tonight. He always says the dumbest things whenever they interview him. vr, Xei

2005-06-21 22:34:26
362.   bokonon42
1.49 million returns for briana banks. One of them must be work safe. About a third as many when you add a -porn to the search.
2005-06-21 22:36:40
363.   bokonon42
360- I thought you meant Jaimie McCourt for a minute. Whew.
2005-06-21 22:40:32
364.   bokonon42
Even her Wikipedia page isn't safe. But the first line of her biography is pretty funny, if you keep #360 in mind.
2005-06-21 22:41:54
365.   Christina
363 - now that WOULD be funny. LOL

I checked, which is safe enough for work, but oddly it doesn't have a picture of her on it, so that won't work for poor Sam, though he could at least have fun scanning the list of the 93 movie titles credited to her...

2005-06-21 22:42:26
366.   Icaros
Ms. Banks is really not one of my personal favorites, but she's very popular.

It warms my heart that we are discussing this, and I'm glad that Christina is cool enough to participate without being offended.

2005-06-21 22:44:39
367.   Dodgerkid
Christina bikini photo pronto!
2005-06-21 22:46:08
368.   Icaros
You have to submit first, DK.
2005-06-21 22:47:39
369.   Dodgerkid
Icaros are you trying to pick me up?
2005-06-21 22:48:15
370.   Christina
364 - I just checked the Wikipedia page, and that first line is hilarious enough standing on its own, even.

And Icaros, I swing both ways, so I have no problem at all with this topic. Though, having viewed a few pictures of the former Ms. Mirage, I can safely say that while she's attractive, she's not really my type either.

I just hope we're not ruining the rating of poor Jon's Dodger Thoughts site...

2005-06-21 22:51:27
371.   Icaros
369 - No, just trying to be fair.

370 - All I can say is, nice.

2005-06-21 22:51:32
372.   Dodgerkid
I'm so out of the mainstream porn market now I've never heard of Briana. When I was in college the big star was Janine.
2005-06-21 22:53:35
373.   Icaros
To add to 370, I've never understood why one would have to swing a particular way to find beauty in another.

Swing...we're still just talking baseball here.

2005-06-21 22:54:54
374.   Steve
But no bunting!
2005-06-21 22:55:18
375.   kngoworld
2005-06-21 22:57:06
376.   Dodgerkid
I'm more than happy to continue bantering about porn, but what do people think of Repko? Does anyone think he'll become a starting outfielder? Or is he destined to become a backup?
2005-06-21 22:57:45
377.   Icaros
When I was in college the big star was Janine.

She was a really nice player during her peak. I think the average shelf life for most of these "athletes" is about two years.

There's a lot of turnover.

2005-06-21 22:58:22
378.   brendan glynn

Kevin Kennedy former major league manager(Red Sox, Texas also I think)

currently Fox analyst. hosts Fox Sports West out here in L.A. Was also a maager in dodger minors for may years.

Kevin is the last skipper to manage a division winning Red Sox Club. they were wild card winners the previous years in the playoffs.

2005-06-21 22:59:13
379.   bokonon42
372- Does being out of the mainstream of it mean you're in to some freaky niche that the rest of us would be horrified to learn existed?
2005-06-21 23:00:21
380.   Dodgerkid
I remember her from her pre-tattoo days. Then she went crazy and turned most of her skin green. Really frightening. My roommates and I stole cable for two years in college and we had the pay per views on for free. Needless to say I became both a connisseur of and completely desensitized to Vivid Video.
2005-06-21 23:01:21
381.   brendan glynn
I don't see the Carolyn Hughes, Briana Banks resemblance.

I'll keep looking though.

2005-06-21 23:01:30
382.   Dodgerkid
379--No not into bizarre porn. Just haven't seen a mainstream flick in years. A somewhat conservative set of girlfriends nipped that one in the bud as well.
2005-06-21 23:02:10
383.   Christina
Heh. I think Dodgerkid bunted foul. And Sam is stuck on deck.

And, Icaros, I agree that one doesn't need to swing a particular way to recognize beauty in another. But a certain additional enjoyment is missing, too, in those cases. No home run.

Yup, still just talking baseball.

2005-06-21 23:02:32
384.   Dodgerkid
Has anyone seen Carolyn Hughes with her hair pulled back? Her jawline is enormous.
2005-06-21 23:06:32
385.   brendan glynn

saw ger at the winter meetings in anaheim (Yawn!)

She is super skinny. Ally McBeal skinny.

Now Lindsay Soto....

2005-06-21 23:07:14
386.   brendan glynn
ok grammar left me at 7pm and spelling at 11.
2005-06-21 23:07:44
387.   Christina
Having just looked at a Carolyn Hughes pic, I don't see the resemblance to Briana either, and yes, her jawline is enormous. Her whole head seems rather enormous, actually. At least she's not doing the stereotypical Texas Big Hair too.
2005-06-21 23:09:29
388.   Icaros
383 - I imagine that I'd enjoy watching baseball on a whole new level if I was a switch-hitter.

That being said, I think Jayson Werth is probably the best looking current Dodger, especially if he shaved that crap off his face.

He's hitting like crap, though, so I don't care too much.

2005-06-21 23:09:55
389.   Dodgerkid
Soto seems to be sporting a couple of enhancements if you get my drift.
2005-06-21 23:10:01
390.   LAT
Christina, we all have to specialize in something. If only Briana could lay down a bunt!

DK, I hope you like tatts. I saw Janine on Stern a while ago and in an effort to get out of porn she tatted up both her arms with full sleves and alot on her back.

#366, Icoros, have to disagree with your first sentence.

#363, I think Jamie sucks but that's not what I meant.

Jon, I apologize for starting this whole thing.

2005-06-21 23:10:33
391.   brendan glynn

Well you know what they say 'Big Head....Big Skull"

wait, I think i messed that up. Nevermind.

2005-06-21 23:11:15
392.   Christina
Or there's Mrs. Scott Erickson.

Who, actually, I must say was actually much hotter back when she was briefly on a daytime soap, a few years before she got the MNF job. I actually ended up being underwhelmed by her on MNF because I knew how hot she'd used to look. Most people, of course, hadn't seen her previously and didn't realize she'd actually gone downhill a bit.

2005-06-21 23:12:56
393.   Dodgerkid
Speaking of going downhill, has anyone seen Cameron Diaz in relation to when she starred in "The Mask". Now that is downhill. To connect this back to the Dodgers, when she sat behind homeplate for the entire game she looked very average.
2005-06-21 23:13:06
394.   Steve
If this is what we devolve into after eight straight losses, what is this site going to look like when we get swept out of San Diego?
2005-06-21 23:13:35
395.   Icaros

I said she was popular, just not my favorite. I certainly wouldn't eject her from a game for arguing balls and strikes.

And if you're going to disagree with me, at least spell my "name" right :-)

2005-06-21 23:19:01
396.   LAT
For the record, it was the jaw line which made me think she looked like B.B. Toninght on SCSR they filmed CH from an odd camera angle that made her jaw look even bigger. It goes without saying, they film BB from an odd camera angle.

Soto is good.

Can't crush on Lisa Guerero anymore for obovious reasons.

2005-06-21 23:20:49
397.   Dodgerkid
And if anyone really wants to lose their lunch, look at Katie Holmes' hands. Absolutely enormous.
2005-06-21 23:21:33
398.   LAT
Sorry, Icaros. I type slowly (and badly) as evidenced by the fact that most of my posts are 10 mins behind everyone else.
2005-06-21 23:24:00
399.   Christina
393 - I think most Hollywood actresses go downhill. No, it's not even age. It's usually that the pressure gets to them, they get obsessed with their weight and end up looking peaked, fake, unhealthy and unhappy. Poor Renee Zellweger is probably the best (or worst) example. Catherine Zeta-Jones was way hotter when she was still back in England, but then being married to Michael Douglas would take its toll on anyone, I suppose. I admire the ones like Cate Blanchett and Kate Winslet who always look amazing, and still themselves, because they refuse to change to suit others.

As for Katie Holmes, you can tell the whole strain of being Tom Cruise's newest beard is severely wearing on her.

2005-06-21 23:24:27
400.   Kilgore Trout
Guess the Dodgers picked the wrong month to give up playing baseball.
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2005-06-21 23:25:54
401.   Icaros
398 - No problem. You've earned a few free passes from me tonight.

You can now give props to Shawn Green all you want, and I won't hold it against you.

2005-06-21 23:25:59
402.   brendan glynn
Saw Mrs. Erickson at the Choi 3 Hr game in dugout club seats. she looks like she has lost some weight. she looked much better than she did on previous MNF run.
2005-06-21 23:26:37
403.   LAT
394, Steve, Dodgers just too depressing.

397, Kid, have not seen Holmes hands but have you ever seen Nicole Kidman's hands. They are the hands of an 80 year old woman, not a beautiful young woman.

2005-06-21 23:27:18
404.   capdodger
394- Perhaps links? At that point Jon might have to do what the LAT did on its wikitorial after slashdot attacked.
2005-06-21 23:28:50
405.   Dodgerkid
I was just wondering whether the Dodgers could lose every game for the remainder of the season. That would be kind of cool.
2005-06-21 23:29:06
406.   kngoworld
Thanks to porn, Dodgerthoughts has reached 400+ posts for the first time in a while.
2005-06-21 23:30:18
407.   Dodgerkid
I think the Illuminati is trying to pass off poorly made pod people as beauties, and they get their enjoyment watching us peasants crow about them. I find real women I meet in everyday life better looking than many of the women I see on TV and film.
2005-06-21 23:31:15
408.   Christina
LAT, I personally haven't noticed Kidman's hands, but I'll have to keep an eye out, next time I watch The Others.

I've got the Daily Show on, and Jon Stewart just put up a photo of the Runaway Bride, Jennifer Wilbanks. Her eyes get more bugged out in every new picture of her. Ugh.

2005-06-21 23:34:42
409.   Christina
407 - true enough. But, interestingly, some of the TV actresses and actors I've met (haven't seen any film ones in person) look much better in person than they do on TV.
2005-06-21 23:37:16
410.   capdodger
408 - If I were planning a wedding with 600 guests I'd be bugged out, too.
2005-06-21 23:37:32
411.   LAT
Had I known that mentioning her would have gotten me a Shawn Green pass I would done it sooner.

#399 Christina, you are so right about Zetta-Jones. She was absolutly beautiful in Zorro and went straight down hill from there. More than that she is so offensive in her constant refrain "I am from Scotland/England, I am not Latin American." I have seen her say something to that effect at least three times. Funny how the things that come out of your moutn can make you less attractive.

USA Network just announced a Law and Order marathon. Isn't that redundent?

2005-06-21 23:39:13
412.   Dodgerkid
I think Zeta is still hot, and lying about her background. Yeah, "Zeta" is Welsh. Straight outta Yucatan for that chick.
2005-06-21 23:46:27
413.   Christina
Zeta-Jones does have family in Wales, but that certainly doesn't mean that she doesn't have Latin ancestry in her too, because, duuuuuh.

If you thought she was hot in Zorro, you should also check out Splitting Heirs, which was a few years before Zorro and the first time I ever saw her, and Return of the Native, which she did in England.

410 - but these pictures of Wilbanks are from now. As far as I know, while she's still planning on getting married, she's no longer planning on 600 guests. Of course, now her focus is more on all the moolah she's about to cash in on...

2005-06-21 23:49:45
414.   LAT
Speaking of people who have succumbed to the pressure: Logan's Run with Farrah Fawcett is on Turner Classic.

In the end, the Runaway Bride will make millions selling her story. She will sell pictures of her wedding to the rags and 10 years from now she will be on some TV special anniversary. It will pay for her house, put her kids through college and wind up being the best thing she ever did.

2005-06-21 23:54:55
415.   Christina
I agree. All she really needs to do is move out of that town, and county, because they'll never forgive her, but elsewhere she'll live just fine. I actually don't mind her myself, as long as I don't have to look at increasingly bug-eyed photos of her.

Funny how that works, isn't it? Similarly, Martha Stewart's jail time is really benefiting her. She wouldn't have gotten the Apprentice show if it weren't for that.

2005-06-21 23:55:36
416.   Steve
TCM was doing a sort of 70s overwrought sci-fi night tonight. I caught some of Soylent Green earlier, but I missed Westworld because I wanted to see Jason Repko go 0-4. I love Westworld.
2005-06-21 23:58:52
417.   Icaros
I've never seen Westworld, but want to.

I love Soylent Green and The Omega Man.

For me, the Golden Age of American cinema is mid-60s to early-80s

2005-06-22 00:00:15
418.   Christina
Sadly, I don't get TCM.

However, flipping through the Tivo guide, I see a Charmed rerun is on. Stupid show, but Rose McGowan is hot.

Or there's the baseball connection in Alyssa Milano, since she has a thing for pitchers. But y'all can have Alyssa; she's not my type.

2005-06-22 00:04:26
419.   Bob Timmermann
Is "Omega Man" going to be on? Now there's some classic cinema! I love a good Anthony Zerbe film.

I think Jeff Kent is the Dodgers Omega Man. He's the only guy who hasn't had some sort of injury.

2005-06-22 00:04:56
420.   Icaros
Do you really want Marilyn Manson's seconds, though?
2005-06-22 00:05:59
421.   Icaros
420 directed toward 418.

Hi Bob.

2005-06-22 00:12:11
422.   Christina
Marilyn is a weird-looking freak, 'tis true, but underneath that whole facade he's actually quite intelligent. And I have a feeling he's quite good in bed. I'd never date him, but I can see why she was with him. So I'd be okay with it. Especially since she's hot, and has a real independent streak, and a great sense of humor. Plus, she hates that "let's talk about our feeeeelings" relationship junk as much as I do. Heh.
2005-06-22 00:13:01
423.   Christina
421 - bwah!
2005-06-22 00:13:07
424.   bokonon42
421- Priceless!
2005-06-22 00:15:26
425.   Icaros
underneath that whole facade he's actually quite intelligent

I know he's smart, just ugly.

she hates that "let's talk about our feeeeelings" relationship junk as much as I do.


2005-06-22 00:16:00
426.   LAT
Logan's Run has to be one of the top 10 chezzyest movies ever. Its great!

Lindsy Lohan is on Letterman. Its awful. Maybe someone can explain to me why she is famous or anyone cares about her. But the real problem is Letterman is shilling for her soooo badly.
Letterman: "Have you lost weight?"
Lohan: "Yes I hit puberty at 17 and my body is adjusting."
Letterman: "How old are you?"
Lohan: "19"
Letterman: "How are you getting along with the press" And other assorted drivel

Please. Did Jamie McCourt tell her that we are stupid?

But the real reason to hate her: The Lovebug should be left alone out of homage to the late great Buddy Hackett. One of the best Vegas shows I ever saw. Headlining and the DI.

2005-06-22 00:16:28
427.   Bob Timmermann
Good night!
2005-06-22 00:17:36
428.   Icaros
Lohan is looking as bad as the Olsen Twins these days.

It's really sad when girls peak at age 15.

2005-06-22 00:19:56
429.   Christina
425 - it doesn't matter in the dark, though.

I just realized I have a feeling my housemate would probably find him attractive, actually. It takes all kinds, I guess.

Still snickering over 421...

2005-06-22 00:20:10
430.   Icaros
Okay folks, this has been as fun as an eight-game losing streak can possibly be, but I'm watching Seinfeld and going to bed.
2005-06-22 00:21:45
431.   Icaros
What's so funny about 421?
2005-06-22 00:23:09
432.   Christina
Lohan's current state is doubly sad because I remember her back when she was a little girl, and she was just this sweet and wholesome kid.

Now? Ugh. Even Crazy Cruise decided against her in favor of Katie, you know that's bad.

2005-06-22 00:26:55
433.   Christina
431 - 421 is just funny in a deadpan delivery, straight-man-in-a-slapstick-movie sort of way. Here's Bob popping in with some random movie comments, and so you clarify who your Marilyn Manson comment was directed at, and then throw in this casual "Hi Bob". It's amusing.

Have a good night. I'm off to sleep myself.

2005-06-22 00:29:00
434.   Icaros
Okay, glad you liked my style.


2005-06-22 00:35:37
435.   Kilgore Trout

In addition to your fictional game on the 30th, how about playing a Strat-O-Matic game parallel to a real game one night, using the same starting lineups as the real game, and comparing the game result.

Of course, with the Dodgers AAA lineup, you'll need a whole bunch of "nameless player cards".

2005-06-22 00:39:03
436.   bokonon42
It was the image of your having asked Bob if he wanted MM leftovers. And then clarifying that you were only asking Christina that. I just picked 421 because it was the last of the series.
2005-06-22 01:02:10
437.   Jim Hitchcock
Not sorry I snoozed through most of the game. Am glad I read through the thread.
2005-06-22 06:40:48
438.   Sam DC
Well, I see I had the good fortune to egg something along and then immediately log off to let my name and good values be tossed about in lascivious glee.

Wondering if Steve's still a free man after downloading this thread in Utah.

On another non-baseball but more DT-appropriate topic -- My 4-yr old has an old (1940s) book about turtles. It's called "Turtles." It says that the word "Terrapin" refers only to edible turtles.

Questions: (1) Anyone ever heard this before? (2) Are some turtles not edible, leaving aside that many would find the idea of eating any turtle offputting? (3) Has anyone told Ralph Friedgen?

2005-06-22 07:00:01
439.   Steve
My wife is also opposed to bunting.
2005-06-22 09:00:03
440.   Christina
Sam, I don't know if some turtles are edible while others are not (or perhaps it's an endangered-species type of restriction?), but anyone who thinks the idea of eating a turtle is offputting has never sampled the turtle soup at Commander's Palace in New Orleans. Poor deprived souls.
2005-06-22 09:09:35
441.   fanerman91
Is Choi going to the home run derby? Somebody at choicentral said he accepted the invite.
2005-06-22 09:25:47
442.   Bob Timmermann
They don't normally invite you to the Home Run Derby unless you're on the All-Star team.

As for terrapins, the dictionaries I've seen use that word for fresh water turtles. I don't know which are good for eating. Since many species are protected, it's hard to get good turtle these days.

2005-06-22 09:31:13
443.   Howard Fox
yes, but the real question is "are you a turtle?"
2005-06-22 09:52:01
444.   Bob Timmermann
I've been to Air and Space Museum and seen Wally Schirra's membership card, so I know the answer to 442.
2005-06-22 09:52:46
445.   Icaros
The Bon-Ton Cafe in New Orleans has good turtle soup as well. Last time I was there Peyton Manning came in to eat.

He's taller than I am.

2005-06-22 09:54:16
446.   LAT
#442 As usual Bob is correct. I don't know about other places, but in LA you cannot buy the little tutles we kept in glass bowls when we were kids. A few months ago my daughter (the non-baseball one) wanted a turtle and we went from pet store to pet store in search of the little ones. Apparently until they reach a certian size the are big-time carriers of samonella. One store person told me you can still catch the little ones down at the pond in Echo Park.

Wound up with a cocktiel (sp?) instead. Apoligies to you Jim (at least I think its you who has a parrot) but birds are loud and messy. Not a day goes by that I don't want to let my German Short Hair Pointer have some fun with that bird.

Would have reservations about Choi going to the HR Derby. If he's in the groove he wins going away. If not, could be very embarassing.

2005-06-22 09:59:58
447.   Colorado Blue
446 - My daughter and I did the exact same thing last week here in Denver... they told us they had to be at least 6" long... as evidenced by the one they had for $40.00. We did not get a turtle.
2005-06-22 10:01:58
448.   Icaros
We used to have two cockatiels when I was younger, one named Kirk, the other named Gibson.

I'm not lying.

2005-06-22 10:03:38
449.   Icaros
446 - No one could embarrass the Dodgers more in the HR derby than Mike Piazza did.

All Choi would have to do is hit one.

2005-06-22 10:04:11
450.   Colorado Blue
441 - The homerun derby qualifying rules as found on

Ten players: five top All-Star team members in home run standings for American League, five top All-Star team members in home run standings for National League, determined by Major League Baseball.

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2005-06-22 10:05:52
451.   Icaros
You guys don't think Choi will make the All-Star team this year?
2005-06-22 10:12:31
452.   brendan glynn

Sam, looking at a picture of Ralph Friedgen tells me that he isn't too concerned with labels of edible or non-edible.
"Get in my Belly, Turtle"

2005-06-22 10:14:08
453.   Bob Timmermann
I hear the American League is going to choose all left-handed pitchers, so the National League isn't going to send Choi.

Too bad Gagne is out because I so much wanted to see him pitch to Carl Crawford.

2005-06-22 10:16:07
454.   Steve
How much can Cincinnati realistically ask for their #7 hitter?
2005-06-22 10:18:10
455.   Icaros
Hopefully less than Florida asked for its 5th starter and New York asked for its 3rd catcher.
2005-06-22 10:19:06
456.   Steve
Well, less than Kaz Ishii would be nice, but probably not metaphysically possible.
2005-06-22 10:19:25
457.   heato
For anyone interested, Jacksonville is playing West Tennessee right now. LaRoche hit a three-run homer (his third) in the first inning.
2005-06-22 10:21:25
458.   Icaros
LaRoche has already hit three HRs in the first inning!?!?
2005-06-22 10:23:24
459.   Steve
2007 can't get here soon enough. Hopefully, I'll have passed the Bar by then too.
2005-06-22 10:24:18
460.   heato
Yeah, it was a pretty impressive first inning.
2005-06-22 10:27:29
461.   Icaros
Hopefully, I'll have passed the Bar by then too.

Not if JT is still employed.

2005-06-22 10:27:37
462.   Bob Timmermann
With a midweek day off, I can sit back and watch some exciting Devil Rays-Yankees baseball.

It's 2-0 Yankees in the first.

Note to Scott Kazmir: Don't throw Gary Sheffield your changeup.

2005-06-22 10:28:02
463.   Jacob L
We have a couple of turtles that we might be willing to pass along to someone willing to provide a good home. They were in fact bought illegally in downtown L.A. as hatchlings. They are well past their salmonella stage now, though, their names are still Sam and Ella.

Seems like I missed quite a bit in the overnight discussion. I'll throw in that I once saw Marilyn Manson with Rose McGowan at the movies (Summer of Sam). I thought they both looked scary, but I was impressed that Marilyn goes through the trouble to get his scary face on for a simple trip to the movies. It was part of an absolute monster week of celebrity sightings for me, wherein I also saw Snoop and Tyra.

2005-06-22 10:32:21
464.   Sam DC
Jacob -- with this crowd, I think you need to carefully inspect the kitchen of any home receiving your turtles for tureens.
2005-06-22 10:36:11
465.   Jacob L
Sam - to tell the truth I'm willing to interpret "good home" very loosely.
2005-06-22 10:36:28
466.   Bob Timmermann
Merging a few concepts from this thread:

2005-06-22 10:39:35
467.   LAT
Bob, you have out done youself with that link. How someone could tie this altogether in a single package is beyond me but you did it.
2005-06-22 10:40:35
468.   LAT
altogether = all together
2005-06-22 10:41:28
469.   Bob Timmermann
Cue to the office of the State Bar of Utah:
"Hello, is Steve home?"
"This is Steve."
"Sir, were you feeling OK when you took the examination?"
"Well, then why was your lengthy answer to question 1, which dealt with civil procedure, just writing FIRE JIM TRACY 500 times."
"You mean that's not the anwer."
"And for question 2, which dealt with criminal law, you answered 'All people who bunt should be arrested and sent to prison work gangs."
"You mean that's not right either?"
"Sir. I suggest you find another state to practice law in. How about Nevada?"
"I don't want to practice in Nevada, I'm afraid that the altitude in Las Vegas won't prepare me adequately for big league lawyering."
2005-06-22 10:43:09
470.   Bob Timmermann
I believe it was just happenstance. I know that turtles are popular among Mexican families during Lent. Some conservationists have petitioned the Vatican to get turtles classified as "meat", so people won't eat them as "fish".
2005-06-22 10:44:42
471.   Steve
Well, it's the State Bar of California, but that's the idea.
2005-06-22 10:46:15
472.   Icaros
My favorite quote is:

"My man doesn't need to eat turtle eggs."

2005-06-22 10:52:04
473.   Bob Timmermann
I think you'll pass Steve. Just don't make any of the pretend people in the questions in to Jim Tracy.

I've got a friend who's passed the bar in about a dozen states. Or you can call my sister-in-law who is a civil procedure professor for help.

Boy are the family dinners fun when she starts talking about civil procedure.

2005-06-22 10:56:34
474.   Icaros
Dunn already has two HRs this afternoon, giving him 20 on the season.
2005-06-22 11:04:29
475.   Icaros
Here's a brilliant quote from Scott Miller at, trying to blame Gagne's injury on overuse last year:

Specifically, during a season-turning -- possibly career-turning -- run early last August, in which Gagne threw 109 pitches during one particularly crucial six-day stretch in the immediate aftermath of a spate of controversial July 31 trade deadline moves?

I like how suddenly 109 pitches over six days is worse than a starter who throws 100+ pitches every five days for a whole year.

2005-06-22 11:06:48
476.   LAT

1. Have these turtle egg eating people never heard of Viagra.

2. Why would anyone take the bar in a dozen states?

2005-06-22 11:11:54
477.   LAT
Do turtle eggs come with a warning: "If your erection from eating these eggs lasts more than four hours call your doctor."
2005-06-22 11:26:03
478.   LAT
Well everyone has left this party--that can only mean Jon has started a new party. I'll go look.
2005-06-22 16:37:23
479.   FirstMohican
Players with over...
TM 200AB 150AB 80IP 50IP 30IP 200AB+80IP 150AB+30IP
LA 3 6 2 3 8 5 14
AZ 6 7 4 5 7 10 14
SF 4 8 1 4 6 5 14
SD 4 9 3 5 11 7 20
CO 3 7 3 5 7 6 14

I have a feeling that wont come out formatted like I want it to =)

2005-06-22 16:39:29
480.   FirstMohican
Nope =(
2005-06-22 16:41:37
481.   FirstMohican
oops, wrong thread

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