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Southern California Park Effects
2005-06-22 16:36
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's Game

* * *

According to, the three Southern California ballparks are side-by-side-by-side in limiting runs this season.

What's remarkable about this is that Dodger Stadium continues to be almost neutral on home runs, while Petco Park and Angel Stadium reduce them significantly. The latter parks make up much of the difference in being more generous with doubles.

Still, something tells me that somehow, a greater percentage of home runs at Dodger Stadium are solo shots than in Anaheim and San Diego.

Update: In the brief period that I published this post and checked the link, the numbers changed, with Dodger Stadium dropping to 27th place and Petco to dead last.

And then I hit refresh, and the numbers changed again.

My whole world is shaken ...

Comments (420)
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2005-06-22 16:56:30
1.   scareduck
I don't know much about what goes into the park factors, but I bet Anaheim has a high triples factor simply because Chone Figgins has hit five of six there.
2005-06-22 17:06:06
2.   Howard Fox
I don't think it also hurts that Figgins is fast a lightning either.
2005-06-22 17:10:37
3.   Howard Fox
and Jon, if you are shaken, maybe its a quake
2005-06-22 17:16:03
4.   Steve
Well, off to go cheer tomorrow's Jason Repkos before they rip out my heart and stomp on it in 2009.
2005-06-22 17:17:33
5.   Bob Timmermann
Random Dodger game callback

June 22, 1903

On a Monday afternoon, Brooklyn and St. Louis played a doubleheader at Washington Park and the Superbas were superb, sweeping the Cardinals 5-2 and 8-7. Brooklyn improved to 27-24, but were in fourth place and 9 ½ games behind first place Pittsburgh.

In the opener, Brooklyn parlayed a home run by Jimmy Sheckard (he would lead the National League in homers in 1903 with 9) and some good pitching by Oscar Jones for the win. Jones gave up just six hits and walked none in a complete game win. Jones finished 31 out of his 36 starts and threw 324 1/3 innings in 1903.

In the nightcap, the Cardinals broke out to a 3-0 lead against Brooklyn starter Roy Evans. But Brooklyn came back with seven runs in the fourth to take the lead off of St. Louis pitchers Jack Dunleavy and Clarence Currie.

St. Louis rallied in the 9th off of Brooklyn reliever Ned Garvin to close the gap to 8-7, but Brooklyn catcher Fred Jacklitsch threw out St. Louis third baseman Jimmy Burke trying to steal to end the game. Brooklyn had 10 hits in the second game and St. Louis had 14.

It was a long day for Jacklitsch who caught both ends of the doubleheader. Brooklyn manager Ned Hanlon used the same eight position players in both games.

Brooklyn was never able to put together any success for more than a few games at a time and finished the season in fifth at 70-66, 19 games behind pennant winning Pittsburgh. (Brooklyn's longest winning streak was six and its longest losing streak was four.) Pittsburgh would go on to lose the first AL-NL World Series to Boston in 8 games.

In addition to leading the league in home runs, Sheckard also tied for the league lead in stolen bases with 67. Only Chuck Klein of the Phillies in 1932 would also pull off that unusual double. Sheckard batted .332 and had an OBP of .423. Shortstop Bill Dahlen had a solid season, batting .262 with 82 walks for an OBP of .373, but he was traded to the Giants at the end of the year anyway. In fact, Hanlon remade the entire offense for the next season with the exception of Sheckard.

The pitching staff was good, but not outstanding by the standards of the day. Jones went 19-14 with a 2.94 ERA. Henry Schmidt went 22-13 with a 3.83 ERA in his only major league season. Garvin was 15-18 with a 3.08 ERA.

The fifth place finish was the worst for a team led by Hanlon since his 1893 Baltimore Orioles team finished 8th. From 1894-1902, Hanlon's team, the Orioles and the Dodgers, finished first five times, second three times and in third once. But Hanlon's greatest days were over and his time in Brooklyn would end poorly.

Thanks to the New York Times, and Retrosheet

2005-06-22 17:28:13
6.   Linkmeister
I remember a few years ago Vinnie told the viewers that the Cards-Dodgers were dead even in W/L after 100 years. I remember that the Sporting News used to give seasonal stats like that (wins/losses against), but I'm wondering where you could find them for the life of the league.

It just amazes me that two teams could be that close (yeah, I remember stats classes and regression, but still) over that long a period.

2005-06-22 17:28:38
7.   GoBears
1: Park factor calculations simply compare the events (for the team in question and its opponents) in a team's home games with those in a team's away games. So if the Dodgers and their opponents hit more doubles in Dodger away games than in Dodger home games, then Dodger Stadium has a negative park factor for doubles.

The trick, therefore, is building a team suited to your park (since half your games are there) to take maximum advantage of what the park allows and to suffer minimum loss from what the park suppresses.

This was part of the argument for why Derek Lowe was worth more to the Dodgers than to anyone else. He (supposedly) suppresses HRs, with his extreme GB/FB ratio, and Dodger Stadium suppresses doubles and triples. He was poorly suited to Fenway, perfectly suited to DS. Or so the argument went.

2005-06-22 17:32:44
8.   GoBears
It just amazes me that two teams could be that close (yeah, I remember stats classes and regression, but still) over that long a period.

Well, two relatively even teams should be - with flukey things evening out over the years. But I bet the consistently superior teams (NYY) and consistently awful teams don't have too many teams with whom they are break-even over the years.

If baseball were more fair in terms of revenue (had more parity) nearly all dyads would be relatively break-even over time, because they'd adjust to market forces, copy success, benefit in lean years (through reverse-order drafts) and so on. That there are any dyads with very uneven records over time points to structural inequalities of some sort (more money, or perhaps a longtime owner unwilling to spend, or somesuch).

2005-06-22 17:34:00
9.   the OZ
Jeff Kent is 1 for 19 against Padres reliever Chris Hammond, meaning Jim Tracy will lift him for a pinch hitter should Hammond pitch tonight. According to the "11 At-Bat Rule," this is the correct course of action.

Unfortunately, there is no way too guess how each of the Dodgers will do when facing rookie Tim Stauffer, since none of them have had at least 11 at-bats against him yet.

2005-06-22 17:39:31
10.   Bob Timmermann tabulates head to head records, but only back to 1901.

Coming in to the year the score was
Cardinals 927
Dodgers 910

The Dodgers and Cubs were tied at 919 starting this year over that same period.

Counting up to tonight's game the score is:
Dodgers 316
Padres 290

2005-06-22 17:48:57
11.   Linkmeister
Ah, thank you for the source, Bob. Or arigato, as required.

GB, your logic is good. Maybe I'll go look at bbref and see what the Yankees look like compared to, say, the Senators.

2005-06-22 17:51:55
12.   Bob Timmermann
Coming into this year the lowest winning percentage the Yankees have against another AL opponent is .529 against Detroit.
2005-06-22 17:53:33
13.   Bob Timmermann
Of all teams, the Dodgers and the Reds are the only ones with winning records against the Yankees in the regular season. They are both 2-1.

The Cubs were 1-2 starting the season, but recently were swept by the Yankees.

2005-06-22 18:21:59
14.   Adam M
IIRC, since the move to LA, the Dodgers have a winning record against the Yankees in WS as well - poss. the only team to play more than one WS against the Yanks and claim such.
2005-06-22 18:24:26
15.   Adam M
I now live in upper, upper, upper Manhattan, a mere stone's throw from the Bronx, and am biding my time until I have to reveal that fact. On that note, one sees a surprising # of Dodger hats around town - they are def. #4 behind Boston and the Mutts, respectively.
2005-06-22 18:30:33
16.   Bob Timmermann
Don't kill the messenger

Repko CF
Werth RF
Grabowski LF


2005-06-22 18:31:45
17.   heato
I wonder how Jacksonville's outfield compares with the one the Dodgers have tonight?
2005-06-22 18:35:07
18.   Yakface
Why are you still not starting Edwards BOB?
2005-06-22 18:36:02
19.   capdodger
Repko Werth and Grabowski?

Just wow.
I'm going out.
This is going to be painful.

2005-06-22 18:36:55
20.   gvette
Did the Dodgers set a MLB record for most starting outfielders named Jason (Jayson)?
2005-06-22 18:39:08
21.   Bob Timmermann
Even I look at that lineup order and I have to think to myself, what the heck is Tracy doing?

I like to stack my lineup with having three guys who aren't hitting well batting 1-2-3.

2005-06-22 18:39:23
22.   Mark
16 - Anyone going to the game clearly needs to wear their 51s merchandise. Holy crap, let's just chalk up an L right now and save us all a few hours..
2005-06-22 18:40:17
23.   Dodgerkid
Has anyone at any point this season while watching a Dodger game just screamed full force at the television screen? Not screamed anything in particular, but just a raw primal scream of rage? I've done it four times so far.
2005-06-22 18:43:08
24.   Fearing Blue
This is a carry-over from a previous thread, but here's my projected 2006 25-man roster, along with estimated salaries (in millions):

Starting Lineup
C: Jason Phillips ($0.38)
1B: Hee-Seop Choi ($0.40)
2B: Jeff Kent ($9.00)
SS: Cesar Izturis ($3.10)
3B: Antonio Perez ($0.34)
LF: Jayson Werth / Cody Ross / Jason Repko($0.38)
CF: Milton Bradley ($7.50)
RF: J.D. Drew ($11.00)

2B/3B: Willy Aybar ($0.32)
OF: Ricky Ledee ($1.50)
OF: Jayson Werth / Cody Ross / Jason Repko ($0.34)
C: Mike Rose ($0.34)

Starting Pitchers
P: Brad Penny ($5.50)
P: Derek Lowe ($9.00)
P: Odalis Perez ($9.50)
P: D.J. Houlton / Derek Thompson / Ryan Ketchner / Eric Stults ($0.34)

Closer: Yhency Brazoban ($0.35)
Setup: Jonathan Broxton ($0.32)
Swing: Wilson Alvarez ($2.00)
RHP: Franquelis Osaria ($0.34)
LHP: Derek Thompson / Ryan Ketchner / Eric Stults / Hong-chih Kuo ($0.34)
RHP: Steve Schmoll / Justin Orenduff / D.J. Houlton ($0.34)

Closer: Eric Gagne ($10.00)

Including expected benefits costs (~$7.55) and insurance claims (~2.50), the total projected salary is $77.65 million for 2006.

Assuming a cap of $95 million ($100 million minus $5 million for mid-season pickups), that leaves $17 million to fill the following holes:

#1: Fifth starter
#2: Left-fielder
#3: Third baseman

I would suggest going for an ace starter either in free agency (AJ Burnett) or through trade, which I'd estimate at $11 million for the season. For left-field and third-base I would suggest picking up left-handed sides for platoons. Matt Lawton and Jose Valentin seem like good candidates who could be acquired for approximately the $6 million that would be remaining.

The (amusing) thing is this would give us a similar team next year as we have this year, but with an ace starter, and expected improvement from a number of young players. Even with this year's disappointments, I would be very comfortable with this arrangement.

2005-06-22 18:51:30
25.   Langhorne

Has Tracy given up? How can you sit Drew against the division leader? I've gone from thinking JT is inept to believing he is certifiably insane.

2005-06-22 18:52:22
26.   oldbear
Please DePo. Either take away Tracy, or take away Tracy's pets.

I'm gonna hurl if Choi hits 6th and Repko/Izzy at the top of the lineup, and Antonio Perez on the bench.... AGAIN.. AGAIN.. AGAIN...

Why? How many outs do Izzy/Repko have to make to be moved down to 7th/8th???

Can Mike Edwards not play OF for Repko, and keep Antonio in there at SS?


2005-06-22 18:52:28
27.   Dodgerkid
Drew is taking a break. I've panicked before. This is Drew's doing, not Tracy's.
2005-06-22 18:53:25
28.   oldbear
25-- someone on the Dodgers board referenced Hacksaw about Drew having an MRI on his knee tomorrow.
2005-06-22 18:53:44
29.   Dodgerkid
2005-06-22 18:55:29
30.   Bob Timmermann
Drew probably gets MRIs a lot. I think he has a deal with an MRI center where if he gets 11 MRIs, the 12th is free. He probably just wanted to get the last hole punched.
2005-06-22 19:00:03
31.   Fearing Blue
#30: Thank you for that, Bob. It will take a concerted effort by all of us to keep things light-hearted for the rest of the season.
2005-06-22 19:00:33
32.   Marty
Man, to try and turn the luck I splurge on ribeye steaks and asparagus and I ge this lineup. Sheesh
2005-06-22 19:02:33
33.   GoBears
25: I'm starting to think that Tracy is TRYING to get fired. Especially now that the Cincy job is open.

This must at least tie the Ja(y)sons-in-the-OF record. Unless someone had 4 in a softball game, or in one of those goofy bottom-9th switches.

2005-06-22 19:04:45
34.   Sam DC
I know this belongs in the last thread, but I fear that one's dead and I've got to say, at 16 I was a plaintiff on The People's Court -- The Case of The Locksmith Who Went Too Far. Won too. long story. tell it another time.
2005-06-22 19:04:50
35.   Dodgerkid
Knee injury is confirmed. There is no god. Even Vin's toupe looks whithered. The spirit has left the franchise.
2005-06-22 19:06:44
36.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have put Adam Eaton and Ramon Hernandez on the DL.
2005-06-22 19:08:03
37.   Bob Timmermann
Having JD Drew complain about being hurt is part and parcel of having him on the team.
2005-06-22 19:08:47
38.   Jim Hitchcock
Mendoza here we go
Mendoza here we go
Hi, Ho, I flail so.
Mendoza here we go
2005-06-22 19:09:07
39.   Adam M
Cincinnatti did play the "Young, Frank 'n' Stynes" outfield in a game a few years ago.

On that note, the Dodgers season is starting to remember the scene in the blind man's house.

Come back! I was gonna make espresso!

[thinking of a scene that would end with Melissa Lima saying "Sssank you , Doctor!"]

2005-06-22 19:09:43
40.   Marty
All we need is for Kent to get beaned and this season will be perfect.
2005-06-22 19:10:12
41.   Marty
39. Cigaaaars!
2005-06-22 19:11:36
42.   Langhorne
I think it's time for the Dodgers to print "Chicos' Bailbonds" on the back of their jerseys.
2005-06-22 19:12:59
43.   Jim Hitchcock
Bop Roberts.
2005-06-22 19:13:21
44.   Marty
I'm obviously living in an alternative universe if Dave Roberts is homering at Petco.
2005-06-22 19:13:30
45.   Dodgerkid
I can't see anymore. My eyes went out. I'm typing by touch right now.
2005-06-22 19:15:13
46.   Marty
Werth must be getting tired.
2005-06-22 19:15:45
47.   Nick Iyengar
I think this season is effectively over for us.
2005-06-22 19:15:59
48.   Nagman
Is Erickson up yet?
2005-06-22 19:16:01
49.   Marty
Well, screw em. I'm going to enjoy the steaks.
2005-06-22 19:16:26
50.   Bob Timmermann
Is Derek Thompson available to pitch in this game?
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2005-06-22 19:16:56
51.   Dodgerkid
2005-06-22 19:17:24
52.   Nick Iyengar
49: good call. I have to be up at 4:30 a.m. (EST). I'm going to hit the sack.
2005-06-22 19:17:36
53.   Dodgerkid
Why is Grabowski playing in the majors?!?!?!?!
2005-06-22 19:17:40
54.   Yakface
Can we trade Tracy for Dunn?
2005-06-22 19:17:51
55.   molokai
Glad to see all that hard work has earned Werth the 3rd spot. Jeff Kent must have blinked a few tears back when he saw who was hitting in front of him. Boston must be looking real good to him right now.
2005-06-22 19:18:22
56.   Bob Timmermann
2005-06-22 19:19:27
57.   Langhorne
An out! Only 26 more to go. That should only take five or six more hours.
2005-06-22 19:23:43
58.   Nagman
Nice little comeback for DJ.
2005-06-22 19:23:54
59.   Bob Timmermann
I feel strangely compelled to watch this game. I don't know why.

Is there a cure for such maladies?

2005-06-22 19:24:18
60.   Brian Y
While I am in no way saying this season cannot be salvaged we have a lot to look forward to for years to come and if it means taking our licks this year then I'm okay with it. Gagne is gone til midseason next year, FINE, but Bradley will presumably be healthy as will Werth and Penny. Plus Choi getting his AB's this year against ALL pitchers (JT can you hear me?) is a good thing for our future to see if he is the real deal or not. Broxton may be up, Edwin and Billingsley may be ready as might Willy Aybar, Dioner Navarro, Russ Martin, and either LaRoche or Guzman. I wouldn't trade our stars of tomorrow just to "try" and get better in '05
2005-06-22 19:25:41
61.   Dodgerkid
Brian I think you underestimate the damage breaking a wrist does to a player's power. Look at Garciaparra. He never really recovered.
2005-06-22 19:25:55
62.   Jim Hitchcock
59 - Seconal.
2005-06-22 19:26:18
63.   Brian Y
I also understand everyone's (including myself) infatuation with Adam Dunn. He is a monster....WHEN HE HITS THE BALL! Look at his average though. His OBP is great but he K's an awful lot and that will get old very quickly. Doesnt he have a record for how long it's been since he had a Sac Fly?
2005-06-22 19:27:20
64.   GoBears
Has there EVER been an outfielder worse than Jason Grabowski? Canseco, Manny, Luzinski - these guys were bad, but they could mash. Or "can" in Manny's case. But Grabowski is horrible defensively, and AAA quality at the plate. I don't get it. Edwards would be better out there, if only because he's faster. DePo may have decided that there's no help in Vegas right now, so we might as well ride out the storm with these bums, but Tracy still doesn't have to start Grabowski. I'm pretty sure I'm a better outfielder than he is.
2005-06-22 19:27:27
65.   Dodgerkid
with the season tanking, let's have a non-baseball discussion going during the games like we did last night. Anyone know anything about motorcycles?
2005-06-22 19:27:49
66.   heato
I think this team is done unless some miracle instills talent in our AAAA players. I can't think of any realistic trades that would make this team good without trading away the future. It will help when Odalis and Bradley come back, but that doesn't help the bullpen.
2005-06-22 19:28:32
67.   Brian Y

Very true and I never really thought about that but when he was in Vegas he hit the ball well a few games and had a couple HR's. Even if Werth doesnt come back full strength I'm sure we can find someone to platoon with him out there. I'm thinking Antonio Perez but that's just because I would LOVE to see Guzman or LaRoche be able to handle the job next year (which isn't likely).

2005-06-22 19:29:54
68.   Jim Hitchcock
65 - Yeah, But I'm a little out of date. My last bike was a Yamaha DT 400. Two Stroke. Went the way of leaded gas.
2005-06-22 19:31:03
69.   Dodgerkid
Does anyone know anything about Triumphs?
2005-06-22 19:31:41
70.   Adam M
Piazza broke his wrist and had many fine seasons of power thereafter (as did Griffey, let his injuries not be an example to emulate in any other way). Since Piazza's injury was in his top hand (the one that guides the bat, not the one that pulls it) there was maybe less strain. Bradley's power might diminish from one side of the dish, but maybe not both.
2005-06-22 19:32:01
71.   Vishal
well, at least houlton gained his composure back...

unfortunately, our man choi just swung at ball 4 twice in a row, the exact same high fastball each time.

2005-06-22 19:32:05
72.   Adam M
Triumphs are great bikes...for me to poop on!
2005-06-22 19:32:54
73.   Dodgerkid
Adam why do you say that? Are you talking about the new ones?
2005-06-22 19:33:05
74.   Adam M
#71 - Choi's just trying to get his sample size with Stauffer past the 11 AB mark ASAP
2005-06-22 19:33:59
75.   Jim Hitchcock
Put it this way, Dodgerkid...would you go out of your way to own an English car?
2005-06-22 19:34:17
76.   Brian Y
I may be the only person that forsee's a surgery for Bradley on that finger. The fact that treatment hasnt helped thus far is cause for concern. I don't think our season can be salvaged with just one trade but a few could. And I don't want to see that happen. Of course, I've been asking the Dodgers to rebuild for about 4-5 years when they had all those old players I knew could be packaged for young studs (i.e. Sheffield, Park, etc)
2005-06-22 19:34:38
77.   Dodgerkid
If it was an Aston Martin, yes.
2005-06-22 19:34:48
78.   Adam M
Oh you meant the bikes?

2005-06-22 19:35:49
79.   Christina
Wow, who would've thought with this line-up we would've scored two runs?

Of course, I note who was involved: Kent, Saenz, and Phillips. NOT Repko/Werth/Grabs.

Like Bob, I feel a strange compulsion to follow this game through.

2005-06-22 19:36:42
80.   Vishal
btw, drew is out of the lineup because his knee has been acting up the last 10 days or so, according to the radio pre-game show.

i think he already had the MRI today, which didn't reveal anything, but he's still feeling discomfort and is only available for "emergencies". as if we ever really need an emergency strikeout with men on base.

i guess dodger blues can take down their "jd... injury free?" counter down.

2005-06-22 19:37:12
81.   Marty
73. I think Adam was doing a Triumph the insult puppet dog riff..
2005-06-22 19:45:52
82.   Vishal
i don't know anything about motorcycles, but if i were to get one, i'd want to get a WWII-era BSA or BMW bike.
2005-06-22 19:47:59
83.   Jim Hitchcock
Kicking up a storm over the Dodger's play lately:

2005-06-22 19:48:39
84.   Christina
The BMW bikes are definitely gorgeous.

And that concludes the extent of my knowledge of motorcycles, though if I always needed to, I could go ask my housemate. Who, if anyone cares, is currently restoring a classic BMW car in our garage.

2005-06-22 19:51:47
85.   Adam M
re: 83

That URL was not about the Dodgers, and...I smell a Snope coming on.

2005-06-22 19:53:29
86.   Christina
85 - I sincerely hope so, since that photo made me flatout ill. Even more ill than the Repko/Werth display we just saw.

I believe Jim's joke, though, was that the baby is so offended by the Dodgers' current state that it's kicking up a storm.

2005-06-22 19:54:35
87.   Bob Timmermann

I've heard that LeBron James routinely hits 80-90 shots in practice too.

2005-06-22 19:57:35
88.   LAT
I just got home. Have not read through the thread and I am sure much discussion has taken place but where is Drew? Werth batting third--did I die, go to hell and no one told me?
2005-06-22 19:57:53
89.   Christina
Sarcastic post I just saw on the Athletics Nation blog for tonight's game against the Mariners:

"Beltre for MVP!!!

No wonder the Dodgers got rid of him."


2005-06-22 19:58:42
90.   Sam DC
Just catching up . . . we have an outfield of three Ja(y)sons, with two batting south of the Mendoza line? That does give one pause (and I like Repko!). And I gather from this thread that the bottom of the first was rather stressful?

I'm home now, by the way, but I'm still not clicking any links . . .

2005-06-22 19:58:56
91.   Jim Hitchcock
Christina, actually I was just trying to find a way of showing off my comments regarding the picture :)
2005-06-22 20:01:44
92.   Fearing Blue
Horrible route by Werth. That should have been a single.
2005-06-22 20:02:07
93.   Vishal
man, this team sucks.
2005-06-22 20:13:07
94.   Christina
DJ must've sold his soul to get out of that one.
2005-06-22 20:18:14
95.   LAT
Curious about Drew's knee. Preseason he wants to play center to avoid putting pressure on the knee in the right field corner. For the last three weeks he gets to play center and now his knee bothers him. I'm guessing he just needs a day off. Maybe he has made himself sick. I know he's made me sick.
2005-06-22 20:21:04
96.   Sam DC
Lots of crickets chirping around here tonight . . . Guess Steve is at the Ogden game, Bob is probably removing all Dodgers gear from his Japan bag, and everyone else is busily hunting down sharp objects, except for Marty who already has one in hand (along with a no-doubt mouthwatering ribeye, the real filet mignon of steaks).
2005-06-22 20:21:17
97.   Vishal
haha, greene could've done a pirouette and still thrown saenz out.

i think the answer to the aflac trivia question is david wells.

2005-06-22 20:22:01
98.   Vishal
2005-06-22 20:24:12
99.   Bob Timmermann
Someone called me on the phone. Then I got caught up in writing up some RDGCs.

They're quite therapeutic.

2005-06-22 20:27:48
100.   Christina
A surprisingly painless half inning from DJ.
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2005-06-22 20:29:05
101.   Fearing Blue
Hong-Chih Kuo pitched 3 perfect innings of relief in tonight's 5 - 3 victory for Vero Beach. In the effort, he struck out 5 batters, and is now up to 42 Ks in 26 IP. I'm rooting for him to make the team in 2005, though it's a long way from Vero Beach.
2005-06-22 20:30:07
102.   Sam DC
That's "84 pitch through four innings DJ," Christina. Be afraid.
2005-06-22 20:30:54
103.   Sam DC
And "Fact of Kuo" is born.
2005-06-22 20:30:54
104.   Adam M
On a prior topic, in terms of bang for the buck, the Mariners might be getting more out of Beltre than the A's are getting out of Jason Kendall... Beltre's defense is still all-world. My folks up in Seattle say his defense is the reason they're not ready to run him out of town yet. Don't forget Tino Martinez had a lousy first season after signing his first FA contract.
2005-06-22 20:31:42
105.   Vishal
let's make DJ an outfielder between starts.
2005-06-22 20:32:06
106.   Icaros
I'm rooting for him to make the team in 2005, though it's a long way from Vero Beach.

If he can pitch, I'll go pick him up and drive him out here.

2005-06-22 20:32:49
107.   Vishal

can we call them "kuotables"?

2005-06-22 20:33:57
108.   Sam DC
How come Izturis isn't bunting DJ over to second?
2005-06-22 20:34:09
109.   Adam M
USS Mariner pointed out that Jason Marquis has a higher OPS (.978) than every Cards hitter save one, yet LaRussa still hits him 9th...the same LaRussa who got some pub a few years back for hitting a pitcher (Todd Stottlemyre?) NOT 9th for the first time in X decades.
2005-06-22 20:34:13
110.   capdodger
Does Izturis fake bunt at least once an at bat? It seems so.
2005-06-22 20:34:39
111.   Fearing Blue
Carlos Alvarez is a relief pitching sleeper prospect on Columbus. He pitched 3 innings with 5 Ks tonight in the 7 - 1 win for Columbus. Unfortunately, he gave up a hit and an unearned run in his outing.. tsk tsk.

Blake Johnson was the starter for Columbus and he's cementing his place as a legitimate prospect. His line was 6 IP; 3 H; 0 R/ER; 2 BB; 7 Ks.

2005-06-22 20:34:39
112.   Christina
102 - Oh, I know DJ will implode.

It's just that I expected it to be this past half inning, and it wasn't. I'm not exactly eagerly anticipating the next half inning or thinking he's turned a corner here...

2005-06-22 20:35:51
113.   Icaros
110 - I'd say he fake bats every at bat.
2005-06-22 20:35:57
114.   Adam M
Trivia Note: Jason Marquis, despite being nominally a Cardinal, will always be a member of The Tribe. If you catch my drift.
2005-06-22 20:36:57
115.   Jim Hitchcock
LAT, from your comment on the previous need to apologize. Don't really like cockatiels, they're relentlessy noisy and just too damn cutesy for me. My conure is not noisy, a fact I'm ever grateful for. As an in effect `free range' parrot, he is quite lives to chew up paper and cardboard.

Have been surprised over the years how close a bond we've developed, pretty much the same as with a dog or cat. He really is my pal Love 'em all...the difference is, a dog lives to please you, a cat meets you halfway on it's terms, but to a parrot, you exist for them.

2005-06-22 20:41:21
116.   Icaros

What types of conversations do you and the conure have over dinner?

2005-06-22 20:41:45
117.   Christina
104 - while the As fans in general are very down on Kendall, and I agree Kendall is overpaid, he's been a superb game-caller, which is critical with the young starting rotation the As have. So I'd rate that as at least as important, probably more so, than Beltre's continued good defense.

Kendall's also gotten back on track with his hitting--he should be back at his usual season average of .300 soon. No power, he only hits for average, but the As knew that when they traded for him. And finally, that trade allowed the As to get rid of two players they needed to get rid of. So overall I'd say the As are still ahead of the Mariners in terms of value for the Kendall trade versus the Beltre trade.

Watching DJ on the mound tonight, I can only say I'm still wishing to see Zito, who's pitching a gem tonight, in Dodger blue. Guess what, his ERA is below Mulder's and he's got the 4th lowest opposing BA in the AL. Gee, if he just had some run support...

2005-06-22 20:42:19
118.   LAT
So Jim what you are saying is there is no difference between a Parrot and daughters. If only I had known. Parrots are so much cheaper. (Daughter is reading over my shoulder)
2005-06-22 20:43:13
119.   Sam DC
Go DJ go.
2005-06-22 20:43:47
120.   Fearing Blue
Repko, please don't let the Mendoza line hit you on the way down (average at .196 and falling).

Repko's monthly stat lines:

April: .239/.327/.522 (.849 OPS in 46 ABs)
May: .219/.265/.313 (.577 OPS in 32 ABs)
June: .129/.289/.226 (.515 OPS in 31 ABs)

Overall: .196/.291/.366 (.657 OPS in 112 ABs)

Not only should he not be batting 2nd, I don't think he should be on the team. His already weak .657 OPS is being bolstered by a "hot" streak in April which he doesn't seem to have any chance to reproduce.

Time to give Cody Ross a chance. I've never been a big fan of mixing things up for the sake of mixing things up, but this team may be the exception.

2005-06-22 20:44:24
121.   Adam M
Barry Zito just threw Beltre 6 straight pitches in the zone. Groundout to the mound.
2005-06-22 20:45:01
122.   Marty
mmm....ribeyes. I've finally (after a year or so of trial/error) got good at cooking them any way people want them. I cook one rare for dinner (with grilled asparagus) and one medium for sandwiches tomorrow. Good eating. If anyone wants to kjnow of a good meat market in the SGV I'm happy to oblige.
2005-06-22 20:45:35
123.   Fearing Blue
Let's hope that gets him started.
2005-06-22 20:45:38
124.   Icaros
The impossible has happened.
2005-06-22 20:46:20
125.   Adam M
If you want a catcher to hit .250 and call a good game, wouldn't it be easier to just disinter Pat Borders?

Oh wait...

2005-06-22 20:46:32
126.   molokai
That should get the monkey off his back, with me being the monkey.
2005-06-22 20:46:35
127.   Icaros
Yeah, those do look good, Marty.
2005-06-22 20:47:02
128.   Christina
121 - kinda indicative of how little Beltre is feared these days...

And Satan just put on mittens.

2005-06-22 20:47:16
129.   Adam M
2005-06-22 20:47:47
130.   Ben P
I have a wildly optimistic feeling that the Werth home run will snap the whole team out of this slump. What we needed was for one thing to go right -- for a guy who was underachieving to catch a break -- and we just got it. Might be silly but I hope I'm right.
2005-06-22 20:48:20
131.   heato
when was the last time the Dodgers hit a home run?
2005-06-22 20:48:33
132.   Fearing Blue
Any chance the Giants would trade Schmidt to the Dodgers?
2005-06-22 20:49:42
133.   Icaros
132 - Do you think they'd take Repko and Carrara for him?
2005-06-22 20:50:26
134.   rageon
There's a story about Drew's knee on

Hearing this reminds me of the old Sports Center commercial that ends with Cam Neely saying, "Why don't you just kick my dog while you're here?"

2005-06-22 20:52:32
135.   Sam DC
Choi v. lefty?
2005-06-22 20:52:52
136.   Icaros
Of course you'd do that, Mr. Idiot.
2005-06-22 20:53:05
137.   Jim Hitchcock
He's not a talker, Icaros...but if I'm eating something, he's there. On the positive side, once he's score some food, all I have to do is point to his feeding area and he trots over there. Keeps the food detritus oughtta my area.

On the bright side, LAT, getting preened by a parrot (which involves a beakful of my hair, then a yank) hurts like hell...

2005-06-22 20:53:43
138.   heato
Is anyone warming up in the pen or is JT sending DJ back out to the mound next inning?
2005-06-22 20:53:56
139.   Ben P
He was out.
2005-06-22 20:53:59
140.   Icaros
That is honestly the final straw for me, people.

I'm speechless.

2005-06-22 20:54:44
141.   Mark
Replay shows he was safe.
2005-06-22 20:54:57
142.   scareduck
101: I fear you will become a Kuo-dependent if that happens, Blue.
2005-06-22 20:54:58
143.   Fearing Blue
#133: Unfortunately, probably not, but the Giants are rumored to be shopping Schmidt and his value is certainly not at its peak. If he returns to form, he could be a much better value than Oswalt, and we could make a decision on his $10 million option for 2006.
2005-06-22 20:55:27
144.   Sam DC
Umm, Mr. Tracey, God, whoever . . . I WAS KIDDING! Did we actually just pull our top home run threat in the sixth inning of a tie game because of L/R splits?
2005-06-22 20:55:46
145.   Icaros
137 - What do you guys do for fun...movies, library?
2005-06-22 20:55:54
146.   Bob Timmermann
Ooh, we get to see Oscar Robles now in the cleanup spot! Yea!

Again I'm strangely drawn to this game.

2005-06-22 20:55:59
147.   Ben P
I will add to my previous comment. He was out, BUT PEREZ CAN'T SACRIFICE SO STOP ASKING HIM TO. Whew.
2005-06-22 20:56:23
148.   Vishal
it doesn't even matter if he was safe or out, though it was really close. didn't he learn from the EXACT same thing happening last night???
2005-06-22 20:56:29
149.   Mark
This is why baseball needs a "coaches challenge". The umpires really need to be put in their place from time to time. That one ump was leaning into Tracy, trying to goad Kent into doing something. Unbelievable.
2005-06-22 20:56:31
150.   Fearing Blue
So, let me get this straight. Remove the left-handed batter who is 2-for-2 in sacrifice bunts, because he "can't hit lefties". Replace him with the right-handed batter who is 0-for-2 in sacrifice bunts, and ask him to bunt. Makes sense to me.
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2005-06-22 20:56:42
151.   capdodger
Hey.... At least Kent still has some fire left in him.
2005-06-22 20:56:45
152.   Bob Timmermann
Who would go to the library for fun? Really now.

I certainly don't.

2005-06-22 20:56:56
153.   Christina
Schmidt? Are you kidding me? The guy was a power pitcher who now has to reinvent himself as a finesse pitcher, which is a transition that is just about never made successfully.

Look up "done" and there's a picture of Schmidt.

2005-06-22 20:57:08
154.   Fearing Blue
#144: L/R bunt splits as far as I can tell.
2005-06-22 20:57:38
155.   Bob Timmermann
Schmidt is pitching a 3-hit shutout tonight with 9 Ks.
2005-06-22 20:57:45
156.   Sam DC
Tracy, that is. Umm, all, what happened -- Perez bunted ? I gather this was the old, uncoached bunting for a hit? I mean, one thing we know, is that Choi can and will bunt when directed to do so.

This all feels very off the rails right now.

2005-06-22 20:58:34
157.   Bob Timmermann
Damian Jackson should have an error, but now he gets an assist.
2005-06-22 20:59:33
158.   Christina
155 - and Randy Johnson gave up a ton of runs to the Devil Rays, and we went down meekly to 7.75 ERA Lima.

Lesson? Even a great pitcher has a bad game every now and again, and even a poor pitcher has a good game every now and again.

2005-06-22 20:59:50
159.   Icaros
150 - Amazing, isn't it?

I just cannot understand how DePodesta allows this to keep happening. He must agree with it. That's all I can think.

My disenchantment is many-layered.

2005-06-22 21:00:25
160.   Jim Hitchcock
Nah, Icaros, the occasional car ride seems to satisfy him. That, and he loves to boogie to music.
2005-06-22 21:00:28
161.   untitled instrumental demo
I'm simply stunned at this point.
2005-06-22 21:01:01
162.   Ben P
Sam, Perez bunted back to the pitcher. Kent was forced out on a very close play at 3rd. Kent, Hoffman and Tracy all went nuts.
2005-06-22 21:01:24
163.   Telemachos

De-lurking to scream: WTF!

My mind is boggled: firstly, because of the numbing decision to pinch-hit for Choi, but whatever, at least that's par for the course. And, of course, Perez is one of our better bats right now.

BUT HAVING HIM BUNT?! A fast guy who doesn't hit into double-plays, and you WASTE him on a pinch-hit sac bunt? Why not simply have Choi do it -- it's not like Perez has shown he can successfully execute a sac bunt anyway.

A gift run was just given us, but I'm utterly appalled.

Please, dear God, I hope some reporter asks Trace how/why he arrived at that particular decision.

2005-06-22 21:01:51
164.   Christina
My feed is stuck on the Perez bunt - or is JT just still arguing with the umpire? What's going on? At the moment my feed still shows two men on base and one out...
2005-06-22 21:02:51
165.   rageon
#159 - how Depo puts up with this, I just can't understand. It just doesn't add up. What are we missing?

Wow, that's quite the move, I've got to say. I'm nearly speechless myself.

At least now I'll get some criminal law studied tonight.

2005-06-22 21:03:03
166.   Telemachos
As I remarked to my wife: watch Grabowski hit into a double play.

Sure enough, ground ball to second....

and it's booted! Pads get the force at second, but a run scores.

2005-06-22 21:04:07
167.   Bob Timmermann
Kent ejected.
Phillips walks to load the bases
Grabowski hits would-be DP ball to Jackson who boots it, but Greene manages to corall it for a force.
Edwards pops up.

Osoria in at P
Saenz at 1b
Edwards at 3b
Perez at 2b

2005-06-22 21:04:09
168.   scareduck
What is this thing called "lead"?
2005-06-22 21:04:15
169.   los angeles dragons
If Joe Morgan was announcing this game we'd losing right now.
2005-06-22 21:04:34
170.   Bob Timmermann
You know Grabowski gets an RBI for that grounder too.
2005-06-22 21:04:44
171.   los angeles dragons
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
2005-06-22 21:05:02
172.   untitled instrumental demo
Choi hits one deep to the opposite field in his last AB.

But Tracy just can't stand to let him see a friggin' lefty.

So he removes his best power hitter w/ 2 on and none out in the 6th inning!

And then, has Perez bunt. WTF!

Couldn't Choi have bunted?...he's done it before successfully...this month, in fact.

And then Kent is safe. And he blows up due to the mounting frustration and that bs call against the white sox and gets tossed.

God, I hope the nadir is close...I might have to get a gun and shoot my TV.

2005-06-22 21:05:04
173.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers were ahead until the 8th on Sunday.
2005-06-22 21:05:25
174.   Christina
167 - thanks Bob. Greatly appreciated.

Who do we send out to pitch now?

2005-06-22 21:05:40
175.   Sam DC
Thanks, Ben.

I'm going with the uncoached bunting for a hit. Maybe I'm a Tracey apologist at heart, but I cannot believe he would pull Choi to have Perez bunt. I just can't.

Feels like it's been a while since we've had a good Olney around here, anyhow.

2005-06-22 21:06:23
176.   Bob Timmermann
Osoria had a 1-2-3 inning in the 6th.

Grabowski had an Olney!

2005-06-22 21:06:27
177.   Icaros
I don't know which image I find more amusing at this point:

Jim and his large bird having slumber parties,

or watching a team of doctors open up Jim Tracy's skull only to find two cracked marbles and a piece of used dental floss inside.

2005-06-22 21:06:53
178.   Christina
Wow, Gameday just went on speed and showed Osoria getting the side out in two seconds.
2005-06-22 21:07:49
179.   untitled instrumental demo
"I'm going with the uncoached bunting for a hit. Maybe I'm a Tracey apologist at heart, but I cannot believe he would pull Choi to have Perez bunt. I just can't."

Why can't you believe it? He did it last night, too...Perez bunted right back toward the mound and the runner was out.

2005-06-22 21:07:53
180.   Sam DC
Aaargh, Tracy. My wife, by the way, is Tracey, and she don't like it when her e is dropped.
2005-06-22 21:07:59
181.   heato
Whoever is announcing for ESPN's coverage of Anaheim-Texas (I think that it is Tony Gwynn and someone else) said that the speed of the White Sox was the only reason that the Sox rallied on Sunday.

"The Dodgers couldn't handle the White Sox's speed."

2005-06-22 21:09:49
182.   LAT
178, I saw the same thing. According to gameday he threw only 8 pitches.
2005-06-22 21:10:09
183.   Ben P
Sam, Tracy likes having Perez bunt into forceouts where we lose the lead runner. He loves that play. He wants to marry it and have its babies.
2005-06-22 21:10:47
184.   Fearing Blue
#153: I disagree on Schmidt being done. I will go so far as to say that if he stays healthy, Schmidt will be one of the top pitchers in the NL for the second half of the season. The 618 Cy-Young caliber innings the past 3 years still mean a lot more than the 75.1 mediocre innings this year. There aren't a lot of finesse pitchers out there that strike out a batter an inning (73 Ks in 75.1 IP).

I would trade for him as much for next year as for this year. Basically, spend $5 million and a couple B level prospects to see if he returns to form. If so, we'd be getting the only true ace available for 2006, at a very reasonable $10 million. If not, we can exercise the $3 million buyout. It would be an expensive bet, but there aren't a whole lot of other options.

But, this is all a theoretical exercise since it's very unlikely the Giants would trade him to a division opponent.

2005-06-22 21:10:56
185.   Jon Weisman
175 - Perez was clearly sacrificing.

Folks, in a tie game with four innings to play, Drew (and Bradley) injured, and your No. 5 starter on the ropes, you simply cannot play small ball and bunt. Nor should you pinch hit for your power-hitting first baseman. Nor can you possibly justify pinch-hitting for Choi and not pinch-hitting for Grabowski against a lefty.

Werth just homered against a righty. Repko bats ad infinitum against righties. Grabowski bats against a lefty. At this point, I wouldn't care if Choi were truly a .200 hitter. You can't possibly justify pinch-hitting for him.

2005-06-22 21:11:12
186.   Jim Hitchcock
Conures aren't all that big, Icaros. But he does like to sleep on my headboard, keeping an eye on me...
2005-06-22 21:11:36
187.   Adam M
The only explanation I could see would be the surprise factor. How often do you see a PH bunt? FWIW, with the Mariners, Lou Piniella would have Edgar Martinez drop a bunt down every 18 months or so, because noone expected it. Nonetheless, the slight surprise factor wouldn't seem to outweigh the loss of 2 more ABs for Bop Choi.

On that note, Sweet Lou could be on the market real, real soon...though I'm not sure he'd be the best choice. He seems to be in the Davey Johnson in LA/Leyland in Colorado phase of his career.

2005-06-22 21:11:54
188.   Ben P
And now Osoria hits with a runner on. Masterful depletion of the bench by Tracy tonight.
2005-06-22 21:12:14
189.   untitled instrumental demo
OK. Osoria's hitting in a 1-run game. I would pay good money to smoke, snort, or shoot whatever it is that our mgr is currently ingesting...
2005-06-22 21:13:58
190.   Telemachos
Perhaps, a la the Grabowski Principle, we need a new term for when you pinch-hit your lefty slugger in order to execute a failed sacrifice bunt.

I still can't possibly fathom the rationale behind both actions.

2005-06-22 21:13:59
191.   Sam DC
179 -- I could believe the bunt call, but not pulling Choi who has bunted well and putting Perez in to do it. Why lose Choi that early -- RHP (like Hoffman) may come in later -- and why lose Perez off the bench? Is the thinking that Perez is so fast he might beat out the bunt even though it was intended as a sacrifice? Needless to say, nothing could really surprise me at this point, but my guess/hope is that Tracy made the switch because of his view that Choi can't hit lefties, and expected Perez to hit, and Perez thought he saw an opening but botched it. I can't see the game, though, so I don't know for example if Perez showed bunt right away, which would def prove my hopeguess wrong.
2005-06-22 21:15:03
192.   Nagman
Looking ahead... if there is a critical ab with the pitchers spot coming up our choices are between slim and Mendoza unless we want to risk Drew.
2005-06-22 21:15:09
193.   untitled instrumental demo
Perez showed bunt pretty much right away, imo...
2005-06-22 21:15:28
194.   joekings
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

It's become clear, JT is insane.

2005-06-22 21:15:59
195.   Vishal
hahahah, i think this all has reached the point of absurdity.

if we actually win this monstrosity of a baseball game, then that just confirms its absurdity. so much is just dumb luck. and i do mean dumb.

2005-06-22 21:16:09
196.   Telemachos
Is it just me, or is the strike zone dangerously variable tonight? I just saw a sure-fire strike from Osoria called a ball, and the called strike three on Repko in the top of the inning was at least 6-9" outside.
2005-06-22 21:16:37
197.   Bob Timmermann
1. Osoria pitched well
2. There isn't much bench left. Would Robles or Rose be better?
2005-06-22 21:17:02
198.   Vishal
hahah, vinny is inspired by our AAA lineup to "marvel at the wonder of this game".
2005-06-22 21:17:12
199.   Christina
It really is a good thing Steve is somewhere else tonight where he's not seeing the game.
2005-06-22 21:17:23
200.   joekings
Wait, he let Osoria bat so he could face one hitter????
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2005-06-22 21:17:26
201.   Jon Weisman
He let Osoria bat so he could get one more out??
2005-06-22 21:17:40
202.   Rob M
did he really let osorio hit to face 1 batter?
2005-06-22 21:17:50
203.   untitled instrumental demo
Main Entry: in·san·i·ty
Pronunciation: in-'sa-n&-tE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 a : a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia) and usually excluding such states as mental retardation, psychoneurosis, and various character disorders b : a mental disorder
2 : such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility
3 a : extreme folly or unreasonableness b : something utterly foolish or unreasonable
2005-06-22 21:18:15
204.   Fearing Blue
Just used TiVO to watch the bunt by Perez again. It was definitely a sacrifice bunt. He had the bat head out before the pitch was thrown.
2005-06-22 21:18:20
205.   Vishal

osoria batted in the last inning with a runner on, only to stay for ONE MORE OUT. so tracy can bring in wunsch, to face the exact same hitters for the third night in a row. this should be fun.

2005-06-22 21:19:08
206.   Sam DC
Are we only playing 7 tonight?
2005-06-22 21:20:11
207.   Christina
My God.

Like Bob, I was actually okay with not PHing for Osoria. That's because I stupidly assumed that unless Osoria got into major trouble, he'd pitch the full inning.

Stupid stupid stupid! (banging head against wall) The only question is, am I stupider than JT for making that assumption?

2005-06-22 21:20:11
208.   Jim Hitchcock
Rob M really wishes he would have used more question marks...
2005-06-22 21:20:59
209.   Vishal
that was about 2 feet away from being an inside-the-park home run
2005-06-22 21:21:20
210.   Bob Timmermann
"The Dodgers couldn't handle the White Sox speed"


Hmm. The White Sox are fifth in the AL with 344 runs scored. They are tied with the Angels for the lowest ERA at 3.57.

The White Sox success seems simple. They pitch well and they are scoring enough runs.

They also happen to be FOURTH in the AL in home runs.

2005-06-22 21:21:21
211.   Sam DC
All -- I'm more than convinced it was a called bunt. As many have said, that is mind-boggling.

Jon -- Let me just say that this game is setting a pretty high bar for your imagi-game. A high bar indeed.

2005-06-22 21:22:10
212.   Jim Hitchcock
So, Christina, you know Sanchez will be pitching the eigth, right?
2005-06-22 21:22:44
213.   Telemachos
The truly terrifying thing is, we may yet win the game in spite of all these bizarre moves... meaning, of course, that Trace will assume we won BECAUSE of them.
2005-06-22 21:22:48
214.   Rob M
Sam in DC - Perez was sent up to sacrafice. End of story.

This game is the absolute apex of managerial absurdity. And today on the radio I heard both Vic the Brick and Lee Hamilton rant about how Tracy's job is sacrosanct, and what a hero he's been given that Depodesta ruined the team. And I think there was some criticism of McCourt, implying that he doesn't need to spend $ because the Dodgers draw well when they lose. I guess the Penny, Perez, Lowe, Kent, Gagne and Drew contracts were the unstated examples of his penny pinching.

2005-06-22 21:23:36
215.   Jon Weisman
211 - I can meet that bar, no problem. But there wasn't much interest expressed.
2005-06-22 21:25:41
216.   Icaros
Going back to the Choi fiasco (I can't keep up with all of the stupid decisions), what other lefties does SD have in the pen?

Linebrink, Otsuka, Hoffman...too bad we won't have a power-hitting lefty to face those guys.

Choi is a better bunter than Perez anyway!

2005-06-22 21:25:50
217.   LAT
I am so glad I am not watching this on TV. PH for Choi. Perez bunting. Osoria hitting. Osoria going lights out and gets pulled. Up until now, I had been giving Tracey a lot more slack than many here but I can't continue to do so after tonight. Steve, make room, I'm comin' to the party.
2005-06-22 21:25:58
218.   Fearing Blue
#213: And mainstream sports writers only question a manager after a loss, so there likely wouldn't be any external scrutiny.
2005-06-22 21:27:03
219.   Fearing Blue
I wonder if there really is a L/R bunt split?
2005-06-22 21:27:07
220.   Sam DC
215 -- I waffled, but my sense from reading comments is that people expect to be there . . .
2005-06-22 21:27:10
221.   Rob M
I was just serving myself dinner when Choi's AB was coming. The string events that followed has completely disrupted my digestion.

Sorry for the late posts to events - i've been eating and posting and losing my mind all at once.

2005-06-22 21:27:18
222.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have Denys Reyes in the pen as their other lefty.

If he's pitching, that's a good thing because then the Dodgers are ahead by 5 runs or the Padres have run out of pitchers. He's a left-handed and fat Scott Erickson now.

2005-06-22 21:29:04
223.   Icaros
We just assumed you knew we'd be there, Jon.

Saenz leadoff double...time to bunt.

2005-06-22 21:29:06
224.   untitled instrumental demo
"211 - I can meet that bar, no problem. But there wasn't much interest expressed."

I'm interested, Jon...but I can't take a heartbreaking fictional loss ;)

2005-06-22 21:29:07
225.   Vishal
saenz vs. seanez

saenz wins.

2005-06-22 21:29:26
226.   joekings
With Saenz tearing it up things look even more Grim for Choi.
2005-06-22 21:29:29
227.   Jim Hitchcock
Funny thing, Jon, I had a similiar thought a couple of days before your post...having commenters calling the game. Have to establish some kind of order, though. Wasn't really practical.

Besides, it's moving day for me Sunday, so I'm gonna go Suffering Bruin on ya all.

2005-06-22 21:29:43
228.   Sam DC
Seanez v. Saenz: S---z wins!
2005-06-22 21:29:44
229.   Christina
212 - I didn't know - I could ASSUME, but with JT, I have learned never to do that again.

If Sanchez comes in, I'll turn off the Gameday until he's done. I've decided his implosion last time was definitely JT's fault for overusing his arm. I jinx Sanchez when he would otherwise be good, but that's not the same as being a good luck charm for him, like I am for Gio.

2005-06-22 21:29:49
230.   Vishal
perez bunted again!!!!

foul, though.

2005-06-22 21:29:52
231.   the OZ
I haven't been watching the game (it's not healthy for me anymore), but if JT is really doing all this stuff, I'm 100% convinced that he is TRYING to get fired. He wants out; that's all I can think of.
2005-06-22 21:30:07
232.   Nagman
That was the funniest bunt attempt ever only because I can imagine everybody's reaction here at DT.
2005-06-22 21:30:11
233.   Bob Timmermann
Since you're holding the bat horizontally when bunting, I don't think curve balls are going to bother you as much, so you should be able to bunt pitchers of either hand.

The only pitchers who are hard to bunt are guys who throw really hard. And Chris Hammond is the slowest thrower in the majors.

2005-06-22 21:30:51
234.   Bob Timmermann
Perez wasn't squared around on the bunt so I think he was going for a hit.
2005-06-22 21:31:23
235.   joekings
A two run lead!
2005-06-22 21:31:32
236.   Rob M
Thank freaking God.
2005-06-22 21:31:34
237.   joekings
Jim Tracy is a genius!
2005-06-22 21:32:38
238.   Vishal
this feels like bizarro world
2005-06-22 21:33:13
239.   Bob Timmermann
Olmedo has some wheels. See he can score from second on a single. Take that He Who Shall Not Be Named.

Of course, Perez's hit bounced about 45 times before it got to center and Dave Roberts has a pop gun for an arm.

2005-06-22 21:33:24
240.   rageon
Which is worse:

(a) the Perez for Choi bunt

(b) Wunsch hitting and then facing 1 batter

(c) Adam Dunn batting 7th, again

2005-06-22 21:33:52
241.   Jim Hitchcock
In proper bunting, the bat head is a few inches higher than the bat handle...and bunting a curveball is actually easier.
2005-06-22 21:34:17
242.   joekings
I wonder what Phillips was screaming about?
2005-06-22 21:34:34
243.   Fearing Blue
Quite the pitching performance going on in Las Vegas. The 51s are currently losing 13 - 2 in the 7th. Mahomes gave up 8 ER in 4.2 IP and Gonzalez has given up 5 ER in 1.1 IP. It seems that the AAA book is out on Nakamura as well. His statistics have dropped from Ruthian levels to merely above average Las Vegas levels (.280/.352/.552). Brian Myrow (who?) now leads the team in OPS (.980 via .292/.421/.559).
2005-06-22 21:34:46
244.   Bob Timmermann
In 1952 Gil Hodges batted 8th for the Dodgers most of the year.

He hit 32 home runs, most on the team.

They won the pennant anyway.

2005-06-22 21:35:20
245.   Icaros

I'm sorry for imagining that you have a large bird, by the way.

2005-06-22 21:35:47
246.   Steve
Ogden lost.
2005-06-22 21:36:07
247.   joekings
There's that deer caught in the headlights look from Grabowski.
2005-06-22 21:36:24
248.   untitled instrumental demo
Jason G. likes watching the pretty white ball go by
2005-06-22 21:36:48
249.   Rob M
I don't know how Depodesta watches these games. I doubt he can talk to Tracy about his ideas regarding bunting, L/R splites, stolen bases, etc., and get a fair hearing. The only thing allowing Tracy to keep his job is the poor PR the Dodgers of suffered earlier, making it nearly impossible for them to make controversial moves now. The local media don't help at all. If a LA Times writer or Jim Rome or someone in the media could educate the fans sabermetrically, things could really start changing around here.
2005-06-22 21:37:08
250.   Vishal
hahah, okay it's not bizarro world anymore. grabowski got caught looking on his favorite outside corner strike 3 pitch. all is normal with the world again. i think this means we're going to lose the game, though.
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2005-06-22 21:37:27
251.   Icaros

Please make the pain go away.

2005-06-22 21:37:33
252.   Dodgerkid
We are winning and Tracy has been thrown out. Coincidence?
2005-06-22 21:37:40
253.   stubbs
was phillips yelling at shelby for a missed sign? that did look like a hit and run swing?

grabowski is the worst dodger player in a long time. wait, i forgot about robles.

2005-06-22 21:38:26
254.   Fearing Blue
#246: Hi Steve. You missed some great fodder for your blog. I hope reading the comments and looking at the play-by-play does it justice.
2005-06-22 21:38:46
255.   Vishal
tracy is still in the dugout. he's still making moves.

kent was ejected.

2005-06-22 21:38:51
256.   Bob Timmermann
And Duke Snider batted 6th for the Dodgers in 1952. Charlie Dressen used either Furillo, George Shuba, or Andy Pafko batting fifth.

He did have Jackie Robinson who had the highest OBP in the NL that year batting third.

Billy Cox batted leadoff a lot. He had an OBP of .308.

Yet, they still won.

They may be Exhibit A in the case against batting orders making a difference.

2005-06-22 21:38:58
257.   joekings
252- Kent was thrown out not Tracy.
2005-06-22 21:39:16
258.   Icaros
I thought only Kent was thrown out.
2005-06-22 21:39:41
259.   joekings
Those two pitches looked exactly the same.
2005-06-22 21:40:08
260.   Dodgerkid
2005-06-22 21:40:16
261.   Steve
I'm trying to catch up with what's going on.

1) Drew is injured.
2) Tracy pulled Choi to bunt with Perez, even though Choi can bunt and Perez can't
3) Werth homered, bringing down the wrath of God upon all of us
4) Osoria hit for himself in a one-run game, then pitched to one batter
5) The Orem Owlz run the bases just like their parent team -- with reckless abandon

2005-06-22 21:40:19
262.   Icaros
253 - I'm still arguing on behalf of Repko.
2005-06-22 21:40:32
263.   Bob Timmermann

Sayeth the wire service box scores.

2005-06-22 21:40:46
264.   untitled instrumental demo
dodgerkid, tracy wasn't tossed...Kent was ejected.
2005-06-22 21:40:55
265.   Sam DC
250 -- I thought Bizarro world meant you and I posting the same comment at the same time, though with the names backward. Or is that Mxyztptlk world?
2005-06-22 21:41:06
266.   Fearing Blue
#252: I don't think Tracy was tossed, just Kent. At least, he was standing in the dugout just a second ago.
2005-06-22 21:41:22
267.   Christina
Sanchez in, Gameday off.

(crosses fingers)

2005-06-22 21:41:47
268.   Jim Hitchcock
No need to apologize, Icaros. Those big birds (Macaws) are awesome, but I don't think I have it in me to own one.

My bird likes to take playful nips at my nose...whereas a Macaw could rip it off entirely if so inclined :)

2005-06-22 21:42:31
269.   Fearing Blue
Wow.. I'm really slow.
2005-06-22 21:43:41
270.   Vishal

2)and perez bunted into the exact same forceout at third, only this time kent got ejected for arguing the call, so we lost both kent and choi from the game in the same at-bat. our biggest home run threat in the game is now jason grabowski.

4)he not only hit for himself, there was a runner on base.

2005-06-22 21:44:01
271.   Bob Timmermann
Gagne should have been around just to argue with Iassogna. He could argue for free.

Did he ever serve his suspension for this year? I wonder if the Dodgers said he did before they put him on the DL.

If not, Gagne will carry that suspension with him until he's activated again.

2005-06-22 21:44:20
272.   untitled instrumental demo
I rewound and watched Werth's HR. He took advantage of a very weak, hanging curve. Not terribly impressive hitting but it went quite a ways which hopefully ignites his fire...
2005-06-22 21:44:21
273.   stubbs
trade kent, weaver and saenz for prospects.
2007 is the year.
2005-06-22 21:44:51
274.   joekings
The nightmare refuses to end.
2005-06-22 21:44:52
275.   Icaros

I don't know why, but the image of you and your bird is bringing me to tears of joy.

I really think this team is messing with my body chemistry.

2005-06-22 21:45:06
276.   Bob Timmermann
Sanchez is obviously still afraid of the White Sox speed.
2005-06-22 21:45:51
277.   Jim Hitchcock
Gagne served his supension when he was first activated, IIRC.
2005-06-22 21:46:43
278.   untitled instrumental demo
"Sanchez is obviously still afraid of the White Sox speed."


Ooops...wrong site. never mind.

2005-06-22 21:46:58
279.   Vishal
sam, i was referring to the fact that we were winning in spite of all the boneheaded stuff going on in the game.

unfortunately, i think grabowski's strikeout has balanced everything out again. sanchez is gonna blow it now.

2005-06-22 21:47:07
280.   Icaros
It can only come crashing down this way. You can't make the moves Tracy did and get away with it. You just can't.
2005-06-22 21:47:36
281.   bokonon42
If G-d loves me, he'll make it rain in SD, right. . . NOW!
2005-06-22 21:49:41
282.   stubbs
2007 Lineup:

C: Navarro
1B: Free Agent or Prospect
2B: Perez
SS: Izturis
3B: Guzman or Laroche
LF: Free Agent or Prospect
CF: Bradley
RF: Drew

SP: Lowe, Odalis, Horchevar, FA, Prospect
Bullpen: Depodesta's college drinking buddies.

2005-06-22 21:49:52
283.   Suffering Bruin
I swear to the man upstairs I just checked the net to get a score. I'm exhausted, need the sleep but the truth is...

I can't look.

I don't have the courage. I'll check back in the morning...

2005-06-22 21:50:06
284.   Bob Timmermann
So, infield in now?
2005-06-22 21:50:37
285.   joekings
4 wide ones.
2005-06-22 21:50:41
286.   Berkeley Doug
Great play by Cesar.
2005-06-22 21:51:03
287.   LAT
That's perfect. Should have been a DP but some freak bounce is going to keep Dodgers losing streak alive.
2005-06-22 21:51:12
288.   Berkeley Doug
Bring in Ghame Over.
2005-06-22 21:51:20
289.   Bob Timmermann
Never mind, bases loaded. Go for the DP.
2005-06-22 21:51:32
290.   Vishal
first major league at-bat. hero or zero?
2005-06-22 21:51:42
291.   Icaros
Run, Bruin.

Don't look back.

You're a good man.

Save yourself, for your family.

2005-06-22 21:51:46
292.   joekings
If this rookie gets a hit in his first AB I might throw a brick through my TV.
2005-06-22 21:52:38
293.   stubbs
Bring in Erickson
2005-06-22 21:52:41
294.   LAT
291 Funny Icaros
2005-06-22 21:52:43
295.   Bob Timmermann
Is it a nice TV? Are you thinking of upgrading to a new one? And do you keep bricks in your living room?
2005-06-22 21:53:09
296.   Vishal
haha, bob are you kidding? tracy wouldn't DARE bring in his closer in the EIGHTH in a crucial situation with runners on. closers are for the ninth inning only, preferably with no runners on.
2005-06-22 21:53:13
297.   Berkeley Doug
Whew...when I first saw that I was thinking a single to right.
2005-06-22 21:53:46
298.   joekings
It's a 55 inch Mitsubishi. My wife is very relieved at the outcome of the at bat.
2005-06-22 21:53:48
299.   Telemachos
Anyone wanna bet Duaner walks Roberts?
2005-06-22 21:54:23
300.   Bob Timmermann
I'm really more curious as to who keeps bricks around the house.
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2005-06-22 21:54:27
301.   joekings
I can't believe it.
2005-06-22 21:54:37
302.   Steve
This is what happens when you:

1) Play to keep it close
2) Have a crappy bullpen

Another that I've culled from the comments tonight:

1) Either another umpire screwed up, or he at least reveled in the chance to throw out someone who dared to complain.

2005-06-22 21:54:38
303.   Benaiah
Two out grand slam by Dave, I am calling it now.
2005-06-22 21:54:48
304.   Jim Hitchcock
That inning was scarier than `28 Days Later'.
2005-06-22 21:54:53
305.   Benaiah
thank god
2005-06-22 21:54:56
306.   Vishal
holy crapowski. a disturbance in the force, i feel.
2005-06-22 21:54:56
307.   Berkeley Doug
Okay. Now let's get some insurance runs....lots of them, then I'll feel comfortable.
2005-06-22 21:55:02
308.   joekings
I have some in the backyard, it wouldn't have taken me long to go get one.
2005-06-22 21:56:02
309.   stubbs
How does Depodesta get away with trading guys like Dave Roberts and keeping Jason Grabowski?
2005-06-22 21:56:03
310.   regfairfield
Well, it was nice to get extremely lucky for once.
2005-06-22 21:56:32
311.   Icaros
300 - Some people keep them in the toilet to conserve water.

Jim Tracy keeps them under his hat.

2005-06-22 21:56:37
312.   Benaiah
304 Seriously, who wasn't waiting for that to turn into the Yankee's 13 run inning from yesterday?
2005-06-22 21:56:41
313.   Christina
Finally I can bring Gameday up again.
2005-06-22 21:56:51
314.   Jim Hitchcock
Joekings, the risk of throwing a brick through a 55 inch Mitsubishi is that the implosion could suck in your whole living room...
2005-06-22 21:57:17
315.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe we can bring in a defensive replacement for Grabowski in left in the 9th. Do you think Weaver can play left?

Fortunately our best outfielder is in center. Where the Padres have hit a grand total of two balls to all night.

2005-06-22 21:57:39
316.   regfairfield
309 - Because Roberts had value as a starter, and we wouldn't use him in that context.

Also because every other trade he has made has worked out wonderfully, so he can screw up every now and then.

2005-06-22 21:57:44
317.   Xeifrank
Atating the obvious: Cesar saved our bacon in the last inning.
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 21:57:46
318.   Steve
282 -- I hope that becomes:

SS -- Guzman
3B -- LaRoche

8 million dollar contract from Arte Moreno, who loves banjo-hitting middle infielders -- Izturis

2005-06-22 21:57:54
319.   joekings
If the Padres had scored it would have been a welcome relief from the pain.
2005-06-22 21:58:05
320.   stubbs
dennis reyes and paul konerko for jeff shaw. was that the only trade lasorda made during his bried reign of terror?
2005-06-22 21:58:57
321.   Xeifrank
Think JT brings Erickson in in the 9th to close out the game for the Pads?
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:00:15
322.   Xeifrank
SD SS unable to make an Izturis like play!
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:00:38
323.   Berkeley Doug
What are the chances that either

a. Replo bunts
b. Cesar tries to steal

2005-06-22 22:00:45
324.   Xeifrank
Vin says that Reyes was born right handed. I didn't know people were born left or right handed...
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:01:18
325.   Bob Timmermann
Other Lasorda deals:
Greg McMichael for Brian Bohanon
Wilton Guerrero, Peter Bergeron and others for Carlos Perez and Mark Grudzielanek
2005-06-22 22:01:19
326.   Xeifrank
323. Way to high with FJT managing.
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:01:19
327.   Jim Hitchcock
Seriously?? His dad convinced him to pitch left handed?

I've long wondered when we would first see an ambidextrous pitcher.

2005-06-22 22:01:36
328.   LAT
One run. Could have been worse. Should have been worse.

Here is the dilemma: The Padres really are not that good and could easily be cought. But we are worse and not good enough to catch them. If that bottom of the 8th takes place this weekend against the Angels, we lose.

2005-06-22 22:01:50
329.   Berkeley Doug
Am I seeing things??? LA gets a gift.
2005-06-22 22:01:50
330.   stubbs
309: What does value as a starter mean? Does that mean, we got something for him that will ever amount to anything more than a batting practice pitcher? Seems to me Dave Roberts would be the ultimate 4th OF, that would have probably played in every game for this team.

318: Guzman, Laroche 2007 makes 70 errors. Im sure Lowe will love that.

2005-06-22 22:01:57
331.   Steve
Roughly 1 billion percent.
2005-06-22 22:02:18
332.   Xeifrank
327. If my memory serves me right, wasn't there a pitcher who pitched both left and right handed in baseball history? Perhaps Bob knows, he seems to know it all. :)
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:02:29
333.   regfairfield
325 - Ted Lilly was the others in the Grudzielanek deal.
2005-06-22 22:02:33
334.   Bob Timmermann
Why did Bochy even bother bringing this bum to pitch?
2005-06-22 22:03:03
335.   Vishal
i've learned how to throw left-handed. i'm sort of ambidextrous. i'm about 70% as hard and as accurate with my left as i am with my right, though. that might improve with practice. i think my mechanics might be better left-handed.
2005-06-22 22:03:15
336.   Bob Timmermann
But we got Hiram Bocachica from the Expos too!


2005-06-22 22:03:33
337.   Icaros
324 - There was already a nature v. nurture debate at The Fourth Outfielder awhile back.

Speaking of which, I really miss Tom Meagher.

2005-06-22 22:03:44
338.   Steve
Beware Fernando-lookalikes bearing gifts.
2005-06-22 22:04:22
339.   Sam DC
Well, I go tend a stirring baby (no doubt it was the Grabowski disturbance) and return to see that Reyes is on the mound and all things are going our way. Well done Duaner; when I left things were very very scary.
2005-06-22 22:04:26
340.   joekings
324 - I was born left handed and was turned into a right hander.
Here's a link that explains how you are born either right or left handed.
2005-06-22 22:04:31
341.   Berkeley Doug
Up in Seattle, great ex-Dodger Dave Hansen flies out in the 9th with the winning run on 2nd. 3-3 Seattle and Oakland going into the 10th.
2005-06-22 22:04:46
342.   joekings
Forgot the link
2005-06-22 22:05:01
343.   alex 7
If this game went 18 innings, it'd be kinda fun to see Repko go 0-11. The kid's untouchable.
2005-06-22 22:05:34
344.   Steve
Jason Repko = Hiram Bocachica

Antonio Perez = Darth Offerman

I didn't know this year was going to be a Greatest Hits year.

2005-06-22 22:06:23
345.   Christina
341 - I saw that, Doug. Poor Zito, jobbed out of a win yet again. By the way, going to any of the As-Giants games this weekend? I'll be at Friday night's.
2005-06-22 22:06:26
346.   Steve
I am stunned he wasn't bunting there.
2005-06-22 22:06:31
347.   Berkeley Doug
Maybe he didn't get a hit, but Repko sure looked scrappy in his AB.
2005-06-22 22:06:42
348.   Icaros
Guzman, Laroche 2007 makes 70 errors. Im sure Lowe will love that.

He'll probably love having a five-run cushion every game he pitches as well.

2005-06-22 22:06:52
349.   Benaiah
337 - I think the 4th OF is cursed, first Meagher vanished off the face of the blog-Earth and then one of his replacements went MIA as soon as he signed on. It used to be a must read, but I had forgetten it existed until you mentioned it.
2005-06-22 22:07:10
350.   Jim Hitchcock
Ambidextrousness presents itself in weird ways...I'm right handed, but left eyed. Which means, basically, I would shoot a pistol righthanded, but shoot a rifle left handed. Like I said, weird.
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2005-06-22 22:07:52
351.   Vishal
zito's my favorite pitcher. i'd love to see him in dodger blue.
2005-06-22 22:08:22
352.   joekings
I'll take it!
2005-06-22 22:08:28
353.   Xeifrank
A very scrappy ground rule double by Werth.
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:08:46
354.   Icaros
What a genius move batting Werth third tonight.
2005-06-22 22:08:56
355.   Xeifrank
Throwing error by Reyes is huge now.
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:09:03
356.   Berkeley Doug
345 - I'm going up to Seattle this weekend so I won't have a chance. BTW, I totally agree with your post earlier about Zito. He would look great in a Dodger uniform. Aside from a couple a bad outings earlier this year, Zito has pitched pretty well this year. At worst, he would the second or third best pitcher for LA right now.
2005-06-22 22:09:12
357.   Xeifrank
Ok. Ghame over time!!
vr, Xei
2005-06-22 22:09:17
358.   Steve
I can't imagine anything would help Derek Lowe, but others seem more convinced of his talent than me.

Who killed Jayson Werth and replaced him with a hitter?

2005-06-22 22:09:25
359.   LAT
Roberts took a bad path to the ball. A straight line and he catches it.
2005-06-22 22:09:27
360.   Bob Timmermann
Vin's scorecard is a little behind because he said Rose was batting for Osoria.
2005-06-22 22:09:27
361.   Fearing Blue
Wow.. Werth is batting like a #3 hitter.
2005-06-22 22:09:39
362.   Jim Hitchcock
340 - Damn, I thought they stopped that eons ago. Pretty harmful to kids, it was.

Werth rediscovers loft!

2005-06-22 22:10:11
363.   Benaiah
Werth wakes me up from just waiting for the edge of my seat drama of our bullpen. If he starts hitting then I think he needs a couple days off and to be moved around all over the lineup!
2005-06-22 22:10:13
364.   Vishal
i get the feeling that mr. meagher is now probably employed by some baseball organization somewhere. or maybe the CIA. that'd explain his unexplained disappearance.
2005-06-22 22:10:16
365.   Icaros
349 - Yeah, that one guy wrote an introduction for himself and pretty much left it at that.
2005-06-22 22:11:40
366.   Berkeley Doug
345, 351 - i really think zito would really prosper in a situation where he doesn't have to be the veteran like he does with all the young pitchers on the a's.
2005-06-22 22:11:43
367.   Steve
I think the last thing he wrote was something about Choi and how much he hated Tracy. I'll have someone else start my car in the morning.
2005-06-22 22:12:11
368.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Fick was going to go for the collision there.
2005-06-22 22:12:40
369.   Vishal
i think it's possible that i was born a lefty. my parents discouraged it though, and made me use my right hand, so i became a righty. i found out as i grew up that i could use my left hand for stuff if i tried though.
2005-06-22 22:13:16
370.   joekings
362- To this day I can't tell my left from my right! But I always thought it would help me bat from both sides of the plate. That didn't work so well.
2005-06-22 22:13:21
371.   regfairfield
330 - Dave Roberts could start for most teams. In this case, he went to the Red Sox to serve as a pinch runner because they can afford luxuries like that. What we could get in return for Roberts is more valuable than having him on the bench. Were it not for injuries to Werth, Bradley, and Ledee, he would be a fifth outfielder at best on this team.

The player we got, Henri Stanley currently has a .369 OBP and a .860 OPS. These numbers are equivelant to what Cody Ross is putting up down there, and are better than Chin Feng Chen. They key piece of information I'm missing is how old he is. If he's young, that could end up looking like a very good trade.

2005-06-22 22:14:14
372.   joekings
Why couldn't we have a simple 1-2-3 inning.
2005-06-22 22:14:35
373.   Steve
Dave Roberts was Tracy-crack. There had to be an intervention.
2005-06-22 22:14:43
374.   Icaros
i get the feeling that mr. meagher is now probably employed by some baseball organization somewhere. or maybe the CIA. that'd explain his unexplained disappearance.

Maybe he just thought bloggers were a bunch of dorks.

2005-06-22 22:14:47
375.   joekings
Does Yhency know how to throw to first?
2005-06-22 22:14:57
376.   Dodgerkid
stanley is 27
2005-06-22 22:15:17
377.   Berkeley Doug
Don't they even try to throw out runners anymore? Nobody was even near the base!
2005-06-22 22:16:48
378.   Vishal
the padres are pretty much laying off yhency's high heat. he doesn't have a 12-6 kinda breaking pitch, so if it's up there, they know it's not going to drop down for a strike.
2005-06-22 22:16:56
379.   Berkeley Doug
Kent would have booted it or made a wide throw to first. Thank god Perez was there. ;)
2005-06-22 22:17:17
380.   Icaros
The key piece of information I'm missing is how old he is. If he's young, that could end up looking like a very good trade.

He's 27...not so good.

2005-06-22 22:17:20
381.   LAT
Vin: "Remember had they not stolen that would have been an easy double play."
2005-06-22 22:18:09
382.   joekings
I think I'm going to cry....we won.
2005-06-22 22:18:12
383.   Bob Timmermann

Time to go to bed. Very draining game.

2005-06-22 22:18:19
384.   Berkeley Doug
Wow. I've almost forgot what it is like for LA to win.
2005-06-22 22:18:28
385.   Steve
That steal probably made Klesko an extra $50,000 in arbitration.
2005-06-22 22:18:32
386.   Icaros
Really slow I am.

Did we really win?

Is the Ghame really Over?

2005-06-22 22:19:00
387.   Christina
"Very draining" doesn't even begin to cover it, Bob.
2005-06-22 22:19:20
388.   Vishal

the man spent many hours crunching thousands of numbers and writing lengthy analyses for free, as a hobby. i don't think anyone like that has any business judging anyone else to be a dork :)

2005-06-22 22:19:27
389.   Jim Hitchcock
Somebody tell Marty we won. And ask him if he has any leftover asparagus...
2005-06-22 22:19:32
390.   Berkeley Doug
Perhaps I should save this game on my Tivo in case LA never wins again.
2005-06-22 22:20:13
391.   Vishal
woah, wait a sec. we won?
2005-06-22 22:20:38
392.   regfairfield
Wow, the memories of what winning feels like come flooding back.

Okay, Stanley's 27, not too great, but who knew that Dave Roberts would have an .817 OPS this year?

2005-06-22 22:21:31
393.   heato
JD Who? I like this Werth guy. It's funny because they had another guy who looked just like him yesterday, but he sucked.
2005-06-22 22:21:49
394.   Vishal
reading jeff kent's lips, one of the things he was shouting at the ump was "this is a BIG game". i'm not ever doubting jeff kent's desire.
2005-06-22 22:23:45
395.   Icaros
388 - Well, I guess it's one form of dorkiness to spend hours number-crunching and writing and another to spend hours reading what others wrote.

Either way, not a lot of dates being made.

Some of us weren't doing too bad around here last night, though (laugh).

2005-06-22 22:24:03
396.   joekings
394 - Jeff Kent has made me a convert.
2005-06-22 22:24:23
397.   Steve
Was he safe?
2005-06-22 22:25:06
398.   Berkeley Doug
On the bright side:

1. If we win tomorrow, we are only 4 1/2 games back.
2. Aside from Lowe in KC and the 1st game in Chicago, the starting pitching has been pretty good lately.
3. The hitting can only get better if Werth heats up, Bradley comes back soon, and Drew is o.k.

2005-06-22 22:25:28
399.   LAT
SCSR on. Has anyone ever noticed Caolyn Hughes looks like. . .just kidding
2005-06-22 22:25:46
400.   regfairfield
Coming up next on the SCSR, Jim Tracy and Chemistry 101. No, I'm not making this up, or exaggerating in anyway.
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2005-06-22 22:25:54
401.   Berkeley Doug
397 - When I saw the replay I thought he was out.
2005-06-22 22:27:25
402.   joekings
He looked safe to me, but other think he was out.
2005-06-22 22:27:37
403.   Icaros
who knew that Dave Roberts would have an .817 OPS this year?

I'd bet quite a lot that he will be safely under .800 by the end of the season.

2005-06-22 22:28:43
404.   regfairfield

Kent was safe, but it was close enough that I can excuse a blown call.

2005-06-22 22:28:43
405.   LAT
I need a little perspective. My mood is noticable better on account of winning one stupid game. After 8 days, the dog is happy. She was getting tired of being kicked.
2005-06-22 22:29:11
406.   Icaros
Somebody tell Marty we won. And ask him if he has any leftover asparagus...

He does, in the fridge.

2005-06-22 22:29:46
407.   regfairfield
403 -
Oh I'm quite sure that he will, but the only reason he looks like a good option now is because he's playing way over his head.
2005-06-22 22:30:29
408.   LAT
406. but I bet his piss smells
2005-06-22 22:31:51
409.   Icaros
Are you trying to get something started again, LAT?

Where'd Christina go?

2005-06-22 22:33:13
410.   Bob Timmermann

Everyone's urine smells after eating asparagus, but not all people have the gene that allows them to detect the smell.

This is the sort of stuff I read about when it's not baseball season.

2005-06-22 22:34:00
411.   Icaros
I believe the proper terminology is piss, Bob.
2005-06-22 22:39:05
412.   LAT
Bob is that really true? Why haven't I seen you on Jeapordy. You could kick Ken Jennings butt.
2005-06-22 22:41:53
413.   LAT
I'm guessing I have never seen you on Jeapordy because it doesn't exist. But what about Jeopardy?
2005-06-22 22:44:18
414.   Icaros
I was wondering who Bob looked exactly like when I finally met him in person a couple weeks ago...
2005-06-22 23:28:28
415.   brendan glynn
Icaros, how do you let comment #350 slide by without a response from you. Between that one and the bird, Jim is my new favorite poster.
2005-06-22 23:51:02
416.   Jim Hitchcock
Gee, thanks, Brendan :)
2005-06-22 23:58:39
417.   brendan glynn
I mean it Jim. You had me laughing tonight.
2005-06-23 00:03:35
418.   Jim Hitchcock
Thanks for telling me that, Brendan...I appreciate it.
2005-06-23 00:08:36
419.   Icaros
415 - If I really can't add to or improve upon something, best just to let it stand on its own.
2005-06-23 10:42:31
420.   brendan glynn

Amen to that.

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