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The Wider It Gets, The Farther They Drop
2005-07-03 17:00
by Jon Weisman

Tonight's Game

* * *

Here are the current overall major league standings if you remove one-run decisions, which may have some arguable element of clutch but certainly have the largest element of luck involved.

I don't know why I felt so much like knocking Washington and San Diego down a peg this afternoon - I just did. Doesn't make the Dodgers look any better. Helps Cleveland and Pittsburgh noticeably, though.

Oh, that National League West. All in the bottom 10.

2005 Non-One-Run-Game Standings
Overall wining percentage in parentheses

39-18 .684 St. Louis (.630)
32-17 .653 Chicago White Sox (.684)
34-19 .642 Los Angeles Angels (.613)
30-17 .638 Cleveland (.544)
33-22 .600 Florida (.532)

31-21 .596 Minnesota (.570)
34-25 .576 Atlanta (.543)
38-28 .576 Baltimore (.550)
35-27 .565 Boston (.575)
37-30 .552 Toronto (.512)

31-26 .544 Texas (.532)
28-24 .538 Washington (.613)
27-26 .509 Detroit (.474)
34-33 .507 New York Yankees (.513)
29-29 .500 Oakland (.475)

32-32 .500 Philadelphia (.506)
28-28 .500 Pittsburgh (.438)
29-30 .492 Houston (.475)
27-28 .491 Chicago Cubs (.506)
30-32 .484 New York Mets (.494)

26-29 .473 San Diego (.543)
29-34 .460 Los Angeles Dodgers (.474)
26-32 .448 Milwaukee (.469)
24-31 .436 Arizona (.488)
21-32 .396 Seattle (.418)

24-37 .393 San Francisco (.430)
20-36 .357 Cincinnati (.384)
19-37 .339 Kansas City (.329)
20-40 .333 Colorado (.350)
16-43 .281 Tampa Bay (.329)

Comments (267)
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2005-07-03 17:18:19
1.   Linkmeister
An anti-DC bias leftover from your time there, Jon? ;)
2005-07-03 17:26:51
2.   Jon Weisman
Nope. Not my fault. I loved D.C.
2005-07-03 17:57:09
3.   Linkmeister
Where were you? I lived in Annandale, went to school at Jefferson HS in Alexandria.
2005-07-03 18:01:40
4.   Dodgerkid
Ran into Dan Evans in Pasadena. Seemed like a nice enough guy, and he told me he's now in charge of world wide scouting for the Mariners.
2005-07-03 18:20:43
5.   LAT
Its short notice but I have 4 extra tickets to tonight's game. Anyone want them? I am going to the game so I can meet you outside the Stadium. Seats are Asile 135, Row C. E-mail me at
2005-07-03 18:23:44
6.   LAT
BTW, free, of course
2005-07-03 18:39:30
7.   Fearing Blue
There was bunt criticism of Tracy today in the Daily News article by Tony Jackson:

That brought up Oscar Robles, a fast runner, with the painfully slow Phillips on second, but in a move only a true National League purist could appreciate, Robles was given a bunt sign. The result was an easy force of Phillips at third.

"The bunt has to be absolutely perfect," said Tracy, offering what would seem to be a perfect argument against doing it in the first place. "I'm not saying it was a bad bunt. But (Cormier) was able to take the play. We wanted their third baseman to have to field that ball."

2005-07-03 18:45:17
8.   LAT
Sorry, gave wrong email address. If you want them use:
2005-07-03 19:10:54
9.   bokonon42
Cousell doubles are bad omens.
2005-07-03 19:15:15
10.   Jim Hitchcock
Just wanted to let you know you weren't talking to yourself, Bokonon :)
2005-07-03 19:15:58
11.   Benaiah
9 - DJ actually has a fair amount of intestinal fortitude. When Weaver or Lowe let the first man on I expect runs, but Houlton pitches out of a lot of jams.
2005-07-03 19:15:59
12.   Jim Hitchcock
Really, really bad location to pitch Green.
2005-07-03 19:16:21
13.   bokonon42
Green homeruns are even worse ones.
2005-07-03 19:16:37
14.   Benaiah
11 - Hmm not this one though. Green, that was uncalled for and bordering on offensive.
2005-07-03 19:18:33
15.   Nagman
I'm bummed, a rare FSN2 game that isn't on MLB Extra Innings. I wonder why... guess they aren't used to Sunday night games or else there is some rule about the Sunday night ESPN game.

Then again, maybe I don't want to watch this one.

2005-07-03 19:19:04
16.   Linkmeister
Did y'all hear Vinnie? "I'm sure Phillips inquired after Luis Gonzalez' health when he came up to the plate."
2005-07-03 19:19:04
17.   bokonon42
Thank Choi Perez is in at third, keeping Saenz over at first, and Our Loving Savior on the bench. Maybe now is a good time to get drunk and play with fireworks.
2005-07-03 19:19:34
18.   Benaiah
Tell me that Houlton isn't a gas can tonight. After watching Lowe yesterday this would be a bad lead in to the 4th.
2005-07-03 19:25:08
19.   Fearing Blue
#18: Houlton isn't a gas can tonight. Maybe if we all say it, it will come true.
2005-07-03 19:26:36
20.   Linkmeister
Gad. I think I'll go back to watching the Phillies-Braves.
2005-07-03 19:26:49
21.   Benaiah
19 - I am closing my eyes and hoping that I only imagined this first inning.
2005-07-03 19:27:07
22.   bokonon42
HOORAY! Erickson is up in the first inning. He'll save us!
2005-07-03 19:28:15
23.   Benaiah
Whew saved by the pitcher.
2005-07-03 19:28:28
24.   Jim Hitchcock
17 - Seeing that I value my opposing digits, think I'll stick with the first part of the plan.
2005-07-03 19:28:35
25.   bokonon42
I think Tracy should save Erickson. At some point Choi is probably going to come in as a defensive replacement. They're going to need Erickson's bat when Choi's spot comes up.
2005-07-03 19:28:56
26.   heato
After yesterday and tonight, our bullpen is going to be shot going into Colorado.

How much more time do you think it will be before Erickson is pitching tonight?

2005-07-03 19:30:14
27.   bokonon42
The only good that can come from this game is a benches-clearing brawl. Maybe two or three.
2005-07-03 19:30:40
28.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Everytime it seems like we're about to go on a run to regain some ground in the standings, something like this happens. Arghhhhh....


2005-07-03 19:31:05
29.   heato
oops, didn't see 22
2005-07-03 19:32:24
30.   DeucesAreWild
Nobody light a match next to D.J.
2005-07-03 19:34:07
31.   bokonon42
28- Yesterday was the something, I think. I'm still bitter about yesterday. Today is just aspartame icing on the curdled cheese cake.
2005-07-03 19:34:27
32.   Jim Hitchcock
The plot thickens!
2005-07-03 19:35:43
33.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 31

Yeah, by something I meant both Lowe's disastrous outing just when we actually scored some runs and today's first inning. Halsey's struggled as of late, though, and if DJ can recover to avoid us having to go to Erickson, we can still pull it out.


2005-07-03 19:37:29
34.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Green hits a HR and Kent GIDP. Choi is punishing us for benching him again.


2005-07-03 19:43:58
35.   heato
If Erickson wasn't still on the roster, I would say that Houlton is pitching himself back to Houston (or a trip to the 60-day DL for "general soreness").
2005-07-03 19:44:11
36.   bokonon42
Houlton is slow, tonight. He used to flirt with 90, didn't he? He hasn't broken 88 yet, and he's mostly sitting on 86.
2005-07-03 19:45:06
37.   Benaiah
By the way, I just ran some numbers (my hypothesis testing skills aren't exactly great) and the chances of the difference between Drew's BARISP (.226) being this much lower or more than his BA(.288) due to chance error is 17.5%. Statistically that isn't significant (5% or less is significant) but it is still pretty bad.

Note: I used the formula (expected-observed)/SE with SE being the square root of: (BARISP)(1-BARISP)/(ABRISP)+(BA)(1-BA)/(AB) and then found the p-value.

2005-07-03 19:46:57
38.   Benaiah
Ugh put in Erickson.
2005-07-03 19:47:32
39.   heato
put in Choi
2005-07-03 19:49:03
40.   heato
Does anyone know how well Navarro and/or Martin throw out runner attempting to steal?
2005-07-03 19:49:21
41.   bokonon42
Edwards is looking Grabowskian in LF.
2005-07-03 19:50:20
42.   Suffering Bruin
Why did I even log on? This is horrific.
2005-07-03 19:56:13
43.   Suffering Bruin
Nice hit but W-T-F are you doing making 2nd out at third???
2005-07-03 19:56:58
44.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 43

Yep, horrible, horrible base-running when you need five more runs.


2005-07-03 19:57:02
45.   Suffering Bruin
Or any out at third when your down by six?
2005-07-03 19:57:46
46.   Benaiah
Was he close?
2005-07-03 19:57:54
47.   Suffering Bruin
44 - thanks for concurring. I was beginning to think I was talking to myself here.

Good news is, I might hit for the cycle tonight...

2005-07-03 19:58:27
48.   Suffering Bruin
46 - -in the words of the master, he was out from me to you.
2005-07-03 19:59:27
49.   Benaiah
Phillips at least could have given Tracy the choice of leaving DJ in. Now he has to be PH for in the 3rd, barring 3Ks in 9 pitches this inning.
2005-07-03 20:00:13
50.   Benaiah
Ah never mind, Erickson is in, so we have given up. Today was so nice until now too.
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2005-07-03 20:01:24
51.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Green's OPS is now 857. That's at the BOB of course, and our OPS at 1B is 897. Choi's is 827 at Dodger Stadium, and Saenz is still at 1.122. That makes me feel somewhat better with Green just killing us this series.


2005-07-03 20:02:23
52.   Suffering Bruin
Houlton has done what I didn't think would be possible for at least a month.

He made yesterday's start by Lowe look good.

2005-07-03 20:02:40
53.   heato
Now Erickson is going to pitch 4 scoreless innings and cement his place on the roster for the rest of the year.
2005-07-03 20:03:17
54.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 52

Our season's done is if our pitching goes through another bad stretch like we had in May. It's not like the offense is going to just explode at any point.


2005-07-03 20:03:49
55.   Suffering Bruin
And as I consider to chatter, chatter, chatter away, I've got a wonder... what is the season low for game posts on DT? I think we'll be coming close tonight.
2005-07-03 20:05:31
56.   Benaiah
Unless the hitting gets something going I am going to go make something to eat and watch Scrubs dvds. This game could ruin my independance day spirits otherwise.
2005-07-03 20:05:43
57.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 55

Is Jacksonville playing tonight? That might liven things up. I probably wont' hang around the whole time--I've got more sorting out to do in my new place, and it's awfully late back east. Didn't you also just move into a new place SB?


2005-07-03 20:07:39
58.   heato
57 -- Jacksonville played twice tonight (7 innings each). Broxton and Edwin combined to blow the first game in the seventh inning.
2005-07-03 20:08:33
59.   Steve
Please, someone explain why Mike Edwards would get thrown out at third down six runs? More scrappy, aggressive, baserunning that will miss the ESPN highlight reel no doubt.
2005-07-03 20:08:59
60.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Ugghhh--if Edwards hadn't made out, we would have another run.


2005-07-03 20:10:47
61.   Suffering Bruin
58 - I did and bless you for asking. The toughest thing about the move was the lack of internet and DirecTV/TiVo service for a month. I went from watching every single inning of Dodger baseball to zip. The new place is:

a) smaller
b) less rent and
c) much brighter, thanks to incoming light which was missing from the last place which resembled a very large cave.

And I got a dog, Wayne. A terrier mix, rescue project... it's like having a second kid.

How's the new place working out for you? I didn't know you were moving...

2005-07-03 20:11:16
62.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Nice reference by Vin to Eugene O'Neill. What other announcer would do that?


2005-07-03 20:12:08
63.   Benaiah
A HR here will make me forget about the BARISP disparity, Drew.
2005-07-03 20:12:29
64.   Suffering Bruin
59 - In Edwards very meagher defense, Shawn Green made a play that Dodger fans hadn't seen in many a moon.
2005-07-03 20:14:42
65.   Suffering Bruin
62 - What announcer would do that and not sound pretentious or forced?
2005-07-03 20:15:21
66.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 61

Yep, I've had my own weird month of transition. I was in New Haven but am starting a new teaching job at the Naval Academy this fall so I've moved down to Maryland. I've spent the last month moving stuff down, getting things wrapped up in New Haven, and I was in LA the week before visiting folks. It hasn't helped that my movers also lost a big chunk of the stuff I was shipping down from New Haven.

I can understand the lack of internet access. I was hanging out at Panera way too much for a while to use the wireless internet.

Arghhh--if Drew's flyball had gone out, we'd be within 2 runs. Nothing's working for us.


2005-07-03 20:15:55
67.   Steve
64 -- It always seems like those are the types of plays that people get thrown out on, making it no defense at all.

Izturis made the All-Star team. The voting players save his trade value. Thanks, guys!

2005-07-03 20:16:20
68.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 63

That last one we can chalk up to bad luck. Would've gone out yesterday in the day game.


2005-07-03 20:16:40
69.   Benaiah
Kent is being anti-clutch today.
2005-07-03 20:17:29
70.   Suffering Bruin
67 - right you are. There really was no excuse for it as he was out by a mile.
2005-07-03 20:18:06
71.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 64

Probably a play Green wouldn't have made in Dodger blue. Don't get me wrong--I thought Green was a great guy, but his defense really did seem to decline in LA in the OF.


2005-07-03 20:18:10
72.   heato
Did Green rob Drew?
2005-07-03 20:18:36
73.   Benaiah
Scotty, jumps out to 0-2 and can't get the pitcher to chase at his 80 MHP junk out of the zone. What a clown!
2005-07-03 20:19:28
74.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 72

Drew hit a ball to the warning track. I was referring to Green's throw to the cutoff man which lead to Edwards being out at 3B.


2005-07-03 20:19:56
75.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 74

Flied out to center to the track.

2005-07-03 20:20:00
76.   Suffering Bruin
Anybody know the trivia?

Russell, Wills, Reese(?), Offerman...

2005-07-03 20:21:42
77.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Counsell singles on eight pitches. As usual, Scottie can't finish the batters off.


2005-07-03 20:21:58
78.   Suffering Bruin
66 - wow. Any complaints I have about my move are dwarfed by what your going through. Not that it's torturous but that's quite a move. Teaching at the naval academy? Sounds impressive.
2005-07-03 20:22:25
79.   Benaiah
77 - His out pitch is hoping that they hit it somewhere a fielder is.
2005-07-03 20:22:29
80.   Suffering Bruin
Now that's a nice microcosm of the game thus far.
2005-07-03 20:24:02
81.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Scottie makes up for the wild pitch with a pop-out. He might get out of it.


2005-07-03 20:24:09
82.   bokonon42
Is it possible that Edwards was pulled as punishment for being dumb? No injury report, and he didn't look hurt when it happened.
2005-07-03 20:24:18
83.   Suffering Bruin
Timmerman came up with Erickson's K victims. I think at one point more than half were pitchers.
2005-07-03 20:24:33
84.   Steve
Just don't "sell." We've got the NL West right where we want it.
2005-07-03 20:25:29
85.   bokonon42
79- I liked his out pitch to Gonzo. I wonder how many batters he could hit in a row before he got thrown out.
2005-07-03 20:25:47
86.   Suffering Bruin
82 - I'm wondering about that myself. I can't remember the last time a Dodger manager pulled a player for something he did during the game. Edwards did double...
2005-07-03 20:26:43
87.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 82

Trace may actually admire Edwards' "aggressiveness." Unlike the passive Choi.

I don't think I'm quite as bitter as I was in 2003 when we wasted that fantastic pitching, but this is certainly a trying season. At least we stink all-around--less disappointing that way.


2005-07-03 20:28:22
88.   heato
Off-topic, does Bret Boone know that there is no crying in baseball?
2005-07-03 20:29:10
89.   Steve
I guess Werth scrappily trying to get thrown out at home the other day doesn't make up for general suckiness.
2005-07-03 20:29:27
90.   bokonon42
All is going according to my plans. The next batter to get beaned charges. CHOI! I hope it's Counsell. I've got three dollars that says Repko can beat Green bloody.
2005-07-03 20:30:04
91.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Trace is sticking with Scottie? I don't think I like the sounds of that.


2005-07-03 20:30:16
92.   Suffering Bruin
This isn't as disappointing for me as 2003. As I recall, we didn't have the injuries in '03, we just couldn't hit.
2005-07-03 20:30:31
93.   Benaiah
87 - Yeah it is weird, this team hasn't had good pitching, good defense or good hitting except in bizarre stretches where one or the other would be good. I think the most trying thing is the bullpen, after years of dominance out of the pen we are making do with a set up man closing and a bunch of mop up pitchers setting up.
2005-07-03 20:31:17
94.   Suffering Bruin
88 - Que? Sounds like a juicy story. What gives?
2005-07-03 20:32:03
95.   Benaiah
Can we put Duaner in so that they will notice when we throw at them? I guess Scotty getting tossed wouldn't be a bad thing.
2005-07-03 20:32:09
96.   bokonon42
If Erickson hadn't dogged it, he'd have reached. I QUESTION HIS HEART!
2005-07-03 20:32:09
97.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 93

Of course, that fantastic start at the beginning of the season now seems especially cruel.

I actually still have hope for the season. I'm definitely a pretty optimistic fan, but even I feel glum right now.


2005-07-03 20:32:32
98.   Benaiah
Boone got cut today. Did he pull a Lo Duca?
2005-07-03 20:32:53
99.   rageon
Gameday tells me that Werth was trying to bunt....with Erickson batting behind him. Please tell me it's wrong.
2005-07-03 20:33:20
100.   Steve
You've got to be kidding me.
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2005-07-03 20:33:20
101.   Suffering Bruin
Not catchin' that one, Gonzo.
2005-07-03 20:33:44
102.   heato
94 -- Boonie got DFA'd today, and Sportscenter showed him weeping at his news conference.
2005-07-03 20:33:59
103.   Benaiah
97 - I am generally optimistic, but this team makes you lose heart. The other team always seems to score with two outs, and we always seem to do just enough to lose.
2005-07-03 20:34:43
104.   Suffering Bruin
99 - I've got the television on. I missed it but I didn't see every pitch of the AB.
2005-07-03 20:35:13
105.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 92

Well, Green's bad shoulder I suppose was the major injury that year. I he'd had hit 49 HR, who knows how that season would have gone.

Phillips seems to be hitting the ball hard as of late, without much to show for it until now. If Drew's long flyball had gone out, we'd be tied. 4th inning--if our bullpen can survive, we might actually win this game.


2005-07-03 20:36:27
106.   Benaiah
105 - I am expecting something like yesterday, where we get just close enough for me to not turn it off.
2005-07-03 20:36:47
107.   Suffering Bruin
Erickson pitches the fourth. Dodgers come back, grab lead in bottom of fourth. Wild and crazy game ends with Erickson getting the win. We hear the screaming all the way from Utah.
2005-07-03 20:36:49
108.   heato
I think that Tracy is going to give Erickson a long, long leash tonight. We still need to have a bullpen that can throw in Colorado this week.
2005-07-03 20:37:37
109.   bokonon42
95- You could, but we'd miss him if he were suspended. Probably. Whereas Erickson has a license to bean. Suspending him would be a Choisend.
2005-07-03 20:37:44
110.   rageon
Finally, the Jim Tracy "let's bunt to avoid the double play, even if it means leaving it up to a single player with 2 outs" play worked. Does that mean that he can stop now?
2005-07-03 20:38:22
111.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
With 2 out, I once gain wonder, why, why, in Choi's name, does Robles get the most ABs today in the Dodger lineup?


2005-07-03 20:38:58
112.   bokonon42
And anyway, 84 MPH is enough as long as he aims for the head.
2005-07-03 20:39:20
113.   heato
If Erickson said "the ball slipped," why wouldn't Selig believe him?
2005-07-03 20:39:22
114.   Suffering Bruin
The Choi is my shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me lie down in OPS pastures...
2005-07-03 20:39:46
115.   Steve
109 -- Our punishment for an Erickson beaning would be to force him to pitch for eight straight games.

110 -- He could have batted for Erickson, rather than trying to squeeze one more inning out of his dead carcass.

2005-07-03 20:40:33
116.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Robles shows some of the patience that tantalized us before he was called up and stunk it up.


2005-07-03 20:40:38
117.   Benaiah
105 - If we would have traded Hanrahan for a hitter that year instead of Ventura and Boone... We might have been amazing. If we had made the playoffs I think our pitching could have made a run.
2005-07-03 20:40:46
118.   Suffering Bruin
Robles walked on four pitches. Does not violate the Grabowski principle? As does Perez first ball swinging?
2005-07-03 20:42:05
119.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 117

Wasn't Burnitz supposed to be the offensive solution that year? Boy did that not work out.


2005-07-03 20:42:09
120.   Steve
117 -- Mota. Mota. We could have had the world for his over-rated keyster.
2005-07-03 20:42:14
121.   rageon
I'm not watching, so I couldn't tell if someone was warmingup to pinch hit, but I'm assuming that even if Werth gets the bunt down, Erickson bats for himself, given the inning...and despite, well, being him.
2005-07-03 20:43:06
122.   Suffering Bruin
2005-07-03 20:44:10
123.   Steve
Werth wasn't really trying to bunt was he? That can't be true.
2005-07-03 20:44:12
124.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 120

Yeah, with Quantrill, our pen still would've been awesome. I liked Evans, but if DePo had been GM, we might have won it all that season.

A. Perez barely misses another one, at least according to Gameday and Steiner. Arghhh...


2005-07-03 20:45:05
125.   regfairfield
118 - Robles is hitting about .360 since starting 1 for 15, I don't know if the GP applies to him anymore.
2005-07-03 20:45:40
126.   Benaiah
That was perhaps the hardest year to be a Dodger fan. I remember stretches where every start was a DS what seemed like weeks. Plus that was Gagne at his best, backed by Quantrill, Mota, Shuey so you knew the pen wasn't going to blow it.
2005-07-03 20:45:44
127.   Suffering Bruin
123 is asking a legitimage question. I don't have the TiVo as I'm at another location. I did not see Werth trying to bunt but gamecast did?
2005-07-03 20:46:25
128.   Suffering Bruin
124 - Perez hit it very well, Green caught it at the track.
2005-07-03 20:47:30
129.   rageon
#123 - According to Gameday, Werth bunted two foul. I was hoping it wasn't true either.
2005-07-03 20:48:02
130.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Alright, that's it--I can't watch anymore. It'll put me in foul mood for the Fourth if I stay up to listen to this.

Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised tomorrow morning!


2005-07-03 20:48:12
131.   regfairfield
126 - Maybe 2003 is why we never noticed Tracy can't handle the bullpen. He could have literally picked names out of a hat and done all right that year.
2005-07-03 20:48:53
132.   bokonon42
I just worked up an Erickson cheer:

X, Y, Zed,
Hit him in the head!
8, 9, 10,
Do it over again!

2005-07-03 20:49:11
133.   Steve
129 -- Nothing against you or Gameday, but I simply refuse to believe it. This could be so I don't put a burlap sack over my head and start riding a horse around Skid Row, but I refuse to go through the five steps of denial on this one. I'll just begin and end with the first one.
2005-07-03 20:49:28
134.   Suffering Bruin
Have a good evening, Wayne. I might get back to reading "The Scarlet Letter" if this doesn't improve.
2005-07-03 20:51:34
135.   Suffering Bruin
133, 129, et. al. - I just called a friend. He said Werth checked his swing on an off-speed and looked for all the world like he was bunting but he wasn't. Again, I didn't see it but that's the info I've got, second-hand.
2005-07-03 20:51:42
136.   bokonon42
The Enforcer strikes out Clayton.
2005-07-03 20:52:38
137.   Benaiah
That is rare example of the Grabboski Principle for a hitter. If I was Royce Clayton I would be drinking rubbing alcohol tonight.
2005-07-03 20:54:21
138.   Benaiah
Well it was only a matter of time. JT looks foolish now for not PH for him last inning, but since this game was over before we ever batted I will cut him a little slack.
2005-07-03 20:55:08
139.   Suffering Bruin
Drew was there to make the play off the wall on the double. Ross arrived at the wall and looked for all the world like he was going to pick it up but he went over the ball, no doubt thinking Drew was going to get it. There was a delay and Cruz scored a lot easier because of it.

That much, I did see. It was not pretty.

2005-07-03 20:55:57
140.   Fearing Blue
#138: It was a bad situation to be in no matter which way he went. Erickson is the only reliever we didn't use yesterday, and we're heading into a three game series in Denver.
2005-07-03 20:56:29
141.   Suffering Bruin
I see that my description above leaves much to be desired. Suffice to day that it was a botched play at the wall that allowed Cruz to cruise.
2005-07-03 20:57:40
142.   Fearing Blue
Someone has cursed the Dodgers.
2005-07-03 20:59:56
143.   rageon
#135 - well, that's good to hear. I'm not sure I'd be able to sleep if he was actually trying to bunt.

Now I can get back to being upset about poor play, as opposed to stupid play.

2005-07-03 21:00:21
144.   Benaiah
Wow that is the third Dodger hit by a pitch. Either Halsey is pissed off by Erickson's plunking of Luis, or he thinks an Erickson is incapable of hurting anyone with his junk. Or maybe he is just wild.
2005-07-03 21:01:07
145.   Suffering Bruin
Drew got hit on the wrist by a pitch. Trainer is looking at him in the dugout.

I'm beginning to believe in post 142...

2005-07-03 21:02:46
146.   Suffering Bruin
144 - just wild. In watching the game, it's apparent that Halsey isn't doing anything intentional. He was very wild in the fourth and frankly, wild outside with Kent who was deservedly ticked at himself for even swinging the bat. Saenz' DP ball was very hard hit.
2005-07-03 21:03:56
147.   Suffering Bruin
SAENZ OF CHOI!! The man is on the field!

We've got it in the bag now, boys...

2005-07-03 21:04:39
148.   Steve
Erickson, if your life has any value whatsoever, the first pitch you throw will be in someone's ear.
2005-07-03 21:07:01
149.   Suffering Bruin
Too late, Steve... he's long gone and Osoria is in. We cannot rule out that Osoria is waiting for a bigger name to bat...
2005-07-03 21:07:24
150.   Suffering Bruin
Drew is on the field, appears to be fine...
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2005-07-03 21:10:59
151.   bokonon42
I step out for a cigarette, and Drew gets beaned. So I rush back for the RETRIBUTION. But there wasn't any? Somebody needs to pull Osoria aside and explain the birds and the bees to him. I want my brawl!
2005-07-03 21:13:54
152.   Suffering Bruin
FWIW, Halsey is not pitching well, not at all.
2005-07-03 21:14:41
153.   heato
In the Colorado-St. Louis game today, Larry Walker shoved the pitcher when he was covering first on a potential DP. Ump ruled Walker safe and the Cards tied the game.

The umpires seem to be really bad across the board this year. They are making a good case for instant replay in baseball.

2005-07-03 21:18:24
154.   Suffering Bruin
Our hero came thisclose to a base hit against Halsey. Of course, the same can be said of everyone tonight (see #142).
2005-07-03 21:18:56
155.   fanerman91
For the love of Choi, where is our luck?
2005-07-03 21:20:51
156.   Bob Timmermann
Hi folks. Seeking shelter from the storm here in Tokyo.

This game looks like the weather here in Tokyo.

2005-07-03 21:23:46
157.   Suffering Bruin
How's it going, Bob? Good to hear from you. I almost lost my eardrums yesterday with all the free thundersticks given to Dodger fans. A buddy of mind said, "You wouldn't like Japanese baseball!" Did you catch any games over there?
2005-07-03 21:24:10
158.   Benaiah
Unless there is a sewage leak in Heaven I don't think that the weather could possibly be as bad as this game.
2005-07-03 21:25:55
159.   Suffering Bruin
Ross and Robles respectively looked completely overmatched against Valverde.
2005-07-03 21:26:11
160.   Steve
157 -- According to Bob, that would make two of us, though for different reasons
2005-07-03 21:28:19
161.   Bob Timmermann
I've seen two games and there's only been one sacrifice.

I will be at the Tokyo Dome tonight for the game between the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters and the Chiba Lotte Marines. Today I like domes. I like domes a lot.

Can someone fill me in on the beanball situation in this game?

2005-07-03 21:28:29
162.   joekings
I hit with two outs, every other team seems to do it against the Dodgers, why can't we?
2005-07-03 21:31:11
163.   bokonon42
161- I don't think there's been a legitimate beanball. Just a bunch of crummy control.
2005-07-03 21:32:12
164.   Suffering Bruin
Anyboldy remember Jose Cruz Jr's dad? Astro outfiedler, always hit twice as well on the road than he did at home? Well, FWIW, son and father look nothing alike. Junior is built like a football player while his dad was thin and always looked ten years older than he actually was.

And , oh by the way, dad was a better player.

2005-07-03 21:32:24
165.   Bob Timmermann
But have Drew and Saenz left as a result of their HBPs?
2005-07-03 21:33:33
166.   Suffering Bruin
161 - in watching the game, it hasn't been an issue. Halsey just seemed careless more than anything else, no one was truly hurt and no player has taken exception to being hit.
2005-07-03 21:34:34
167.   Bob Timmermann
But I came for blood!
2005-07-03 21:36:07
168.   Steve
How do you say Moneyball in Japanese?
2005-07-03 21:37:01
169.   Bob Timmermann
I don't know. I will ask a friend tonight. I brought over a copy of Moneyball in 2003 and gave it to the Tokyo SABR chapter. I felt like an evangelist.
2005-07-03 21:37:19
170.   bokonon42
Kent nearly took one in the ribs there. Then he popped out. Maybe if Kent had more heart and spirit he'd have charged on the near hit.

I assume Bob's kidding, but if there has ever been a time when blood and bone fragments were called for. . . When does Counsell bat next?

2005-07-03 21:37:36
171.   Suffering Bruin
167 - it would certainly make the game more entertaining but there's no reason for it that I can see. Drew hasn't been reported hurt, Saenz was removed in a double switch.
2005-07-03 21:37:42
172.   heato
Leave it to the Dodgers to make Arizona's bullpen look good.
2005-07-03 21:39:06
173.   Suffering Bruin
Carrara is in now because this game really needs to slow down a little.
2005-07-03 21:40:39
174.   Suffering Bruin
Come to think of it, I stepped out when Repko hit. Was Drew reported hurt?
2005-07-03 21:40:42
175.   Benaiah
165 - That is a good question actually. Tracy put Choi in, so something must be wrong with Saenz and Drew was getting examined after he got hit. However, both of them stayed in after they got hit, so Tracy might be running out the white flag on this one.
2005-07-03 21:41:07
176.   Jeromy
I'm joining the conversation a little late. Any observations on Houlton's problems tonight? Location? Didn't have good stuff?
2005-07-03 21:41:33
177.   Steve
I thought Tracy was just showing off his double-switching skills for the Reds.
2005-07-03 21:41:36
178.   heato
Didn't the Red Sox start playing much better after getting into a fight with the Yankees last year? Maybe one day we can all look fondly upon the game Jason Phillips slugged Craig Counsell.
2005-07-03 21:41:41
179.   Bob Timmermann
Why would Tracy run up the white flag down four runs to a bad bullpen?

The Arizona bullpen has blown bigger leads.

2005-07-03 21:42:03
180.   Suffering Bruin
177 - Yes.
2005-07-03 21:42:51
181.   bokonon42
176- Did you ever hear the tape of Tommy Lasorda commenting on Dave Kingman's three home-run game? This is a familly website, so I won't reproduce it. But it applies to Houlton pretty well.
2005-07-03 21:42:53
182.   Suffering Bruin
Correction: 180 was intended for 176.
2005-07-03 21:43:45
183.   Jeromy
I sure hope that Tracy isn't running up the white flag. This is an important game. Lose this one and drop back to 6 1/2 down whereas a series win pulls even with AZ and keeps the team on pace with SD.
2005-07-03 21:43:52
184.   Bob Timmermann
I can't even see Jose Valverde here, but I can tell you this:

I don't like him.

2005-07-03 21:45:03
185.   Bob Timmermann
Now Arizona has put in its only reliever who is actually any good.
2005-07-03 21:48:31
186.   bokonon42
Dead man walking: Consell leads off this inning. Do the right thing here, Duaner.
2005-07-03 21:49:15
187.   Bob Timmermann
It must be an ugly crowd at Dodger Stadium tonight. Since there are fireworks that means nearly everyone is going to stay until the bitter end.

And this game's end is pretty high in bitterness.

2005-07-03 21:49:23
188.   Suffering Bruin
Halsey staying in the game was really our last chance to win. Left unexplained is why Drew was taken out.
2005-07-03 21:50:04
189.   Bob Timmermann
I would say something about Counsell's college, but I believe there is a Domer around.
2005-07-03 21:50:21
190.   Suffering Bruin
Now pitching... Yhency!
2005-07-03 21:50:28
191.   bokonon42
Oops, Yhency, not Duaner.
2005-07-03 21:51:27
192.   heato
Derek Thompson took the loss in Vegas tonight, but he only gave up three runs in seven innings. Not bad for pitching in Vegas.
2005-07-03 21:51:46
193.   Suffering Bruin
Brazoban just threw a fastball at Counsell's knees. Looked wild and without intent.
2005-07-03 21:53:31
194.   Bob Timmermann
At the beginning of the year, I wouldn't have been betting that Justin Duchscherer would be Oakland's only All-Star
2005-07-03 21:53:48
195.   Suffering Bruin
Brazoban looks terrible here...
2005-07-03 21:53:59
196.   Jeromy
5 games below .500 will tie the Dodgers low water mark for the year for the 3rd time. We NEED to get this thing TURNED AROUND! Depo, I hope you are listening.
2005-07-03 21:54:48
197.   Suffering Bruin
And Chad Tracy confirms my observation.
2005-07-03 21:55:00
198.   bokonon42
Stealing a base up by four in the ninth is an act of war.
2005-07-03 21:55:11
199.   Bob Timmermann
Well, my free hour is about up and this looks like a good time to leave.

RDGC will return tomorrow, July 5. The day so nice, I will live through it twice!

2005-07-03 21:56:00
200.   bokonon42
Don Drysdale is spinning in his grave.
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2005-07-03 21:56:19
201.   joekings
I thought Arizona was the one with the bad bullpen.
2005-07-03 21:56:55
202.   Suffering Bruin
In deference to my wonderful son, I must say that if a player making ten million dollars from my team decided it was okay to toss his gloves in the stands after hitting a homerun in my ballpark, I would let my son know in advance that his favorite honcho was going down on his kiester on his next AB.
2005-07-03 21:56:57
203.   Benaiah
Man this is disheartening. After that fabulous game on Friday I was getting excited but we have had two awful days from the pitching staff. I think we need help in the pen far more than help in the rotation, especially with Perez coming back. There is no one I trust in our pen. Yhency's ERA is nearly 5!
2005-07-03 21:57:59
204.   bokonon42
C'mon Yhency. First base open and you're still not going to hit anybody?
2005-07-03 21:59:03
205.   Jeromy
The Dodgers will have to go 6-1 vs. Colorado and Houston to get back to .500 at the all-star break. I wouldn't have predicted that at the start of the season.
2005-07-03 22:00:21
206.   Suffering Bruin
I, SB, refuse to watch the very end of this game. This is just too painful. Psychologically, physically, I just can't take this.
2005-07-03 22:00:58
207.   bokonon42
I officially renounce my fanship. Mike Scioscia may not have much to commend him, but I'd bet my car he wouldn't let his team get punked this way.
2005-07-03 22:02:25
208.   Benaiah
Our closer now has an ERA over 5. Yet, in pressure situations I know it must be lower. He has blown 3 saves and if memory serves he got the win in one of those.
2005-07-03 22:02:44
209.   fanerman91
Dark times these days are..
2005-07-03 22:06:01
210.   fanerman91
boo-urns... boo-urns...
2005-07-03 22:06:01
211.   ddger
203. Just turned on TV and I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Are we this bad. The bullpen is getting worse each day. We definitely need a good reliable relief pitcher. It seems that no is dependable in the pen anymore. Also, maybe Houlton's luck is starting to run out.

Little disappointed in our offense the last 2 nights though. AZ bullpen is supposed to be terrible but they are pitching terrific against us. I think we have losing record only to AZ in our division.

2005-07-03 22:06:37
212.   Nagman
If I remember right, the Dodgers are returning to where the downfall started. They left San Diego 12-3, headed to Colorado and it's been crappy ever since.

Maybe this will give them closure and things will turn around.

Or maybe not...

2005-07-03 22:24:13
213.   Fearing Blue
Steiner reports: J.D. Drew suffered a broken left wrist when he was hit by the pitch earlier in the game. It's unknown how long he will be out.

We're sellers.

2005-07-03 22:27:43
214.   Xeifrank
Drew plays an inning with a broken hand. The guy sure is scrappy.
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:28:20
215.   heato
Oh. My. God.

We are cursed.

This really isn't funny anymore.

2005-07-03 22:28:38
216.   Xeifrank
Move Choi to the outfield. He can do no wrong
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:30:33
217.   heato
So, who do we get for Weaver?
2005-07-03 22:31:19
218.   Xeifrank
Going to have to trade for both Griffey and Dunn now! In our dreams. Izturis is also doubtful for the first game in Colorado. Atleast we got Colorado. Gonna be some high scoring games, well common sense tells me that the Dodgers will give up alot of runs in Denver, hope we can score alot too but what's our lineup going to look like now?
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:37:42
219.   Xeifrank
DePodesta is going to be interviewed on the SCSR after the commercial break.
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:37:55
220.   Suffering Bruin
I, SB, just heard Steiner's report on the way home from my mother's house.


I mean, this is just nuts...

2005-07-03 22:46:02
221.   Xeifrank
Depo didn't say much. SCSR says these types of injuries are atleast 6-8 weeks, but still too early to tell.
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:48:18
222.   Xeifrank
Starting OF vs Colorado?

Werth, Repko, Grabowski??

Before the Drew injury we needed another bat in the OF, now we need two? And on top of the Izturis is day to day. Would be nice if one of our extra 3Bs could play LF, perhaps someone like Perez, then put Saenz at 3B (if he's healthy).
vr, Xei

2005-07-03 22:49:26
223.   Suffering Bruin
Just saw the Depo soundbite (thanks, TiVo).

Drinking out of the strangest looking water bottle I've ever seen, he said that it's definitely a break, it's not going to be a 15-day DL thing (longer) and he looked, frankly, like a guy who just had his car stolen.

2005-07-03 22:50:12
224.   Suffering Bruin
222 - Edwards has played the outfield.

So, there's that...

2005-07-03 22:55:04
225.   Xeifrank
April Fools???

Why wasn't it Erickson who got hit with that ball!!!! Why! Why! Why! Waaahhhh!!!
vr, Xei

2005-07-03 22:58:19
226.   bokonon42
Drew on SCSR, now. Somebody ought to ask him how he felt about Osoria, Carrara, and Brazoban not retaliating.
2005-07-03 22:58:42
227.   Fearing Blue
Minor League update

Las Vegas 51s (AAA):
The 51s lost 4 - 2 to Portland.

Willy Aybar, Norihiro Nakamura, and Brian Myrow each had 2 hits on the evening. Willy Aybar started at 3B and was 2 for 3 with a double, walk and an RBI, increasing his average to .306. Nakamura started at 1B going 2 for 4 with a double. Dioner Navarro was 1 for 4 with a run scored.

Derek Thompson pitched 7 quality innings, especially considering the hot and dry Las Vegas air. He allowed 3 runs (all earned) on 6 hits and 3 walks, while striking out 3. Over 12 innings pitched in AAA, he has yet to allow a homerun.

Jacksonville Suns (AA):
Let's play two!

In the first game, the Suns lost 4 - 1 to Carolina in a shortened 7 inning game.

The Suns lone run came in exciting fashion when Todd Donovan led off the game with an infield single before proceeding to steal second, third, and then home! At 26 years old, Donovan is not a prospect, but he sure is fast. He stole another base on the night, extending his league-leading total to 44. The next highest total is Marland Williams of Tennessee with 26. Delmon Young is 4th in the league with 24 stolen bases. On the night, every Suns position player struck out at least once, totalling 13 strikeouts in the game. The Suns only managed 4 hits in the game, all singles, one each by Todd Donovan, Andy LaRoche, James Loney, and Russell Martin. Todd Donovan, Delwyn Young, and Tydus Meadows each drew a walk on the night.

Edwin Jackson started off with a solid pitching performance, holding Carolina scoreless through 5 innings on 3 hits and 2 walks, while striking out 5. Unfortunately, he gave up the lead on a solo homerun to the first batter in the 6th. After walking the following batter, he left the game for Jonathan Broxton. Broxton, the Suns recent closer, added fuel to fire, allowing 3 more runs to score before closing out the inning. Of the 3 runs, 1 was charged to Jackson (unearned) and only one was earned. Broxton hurt himself defensively by missing a throw on a force attempt.

In the second game, the Suns lost 8 - 7 to Carolina in the 8th inning (extra innings) of another shortened game.

Carolina ran wild on the Suns backup catcher, Eric Langill, stealing 6 bases without being caught, en route to their second win of the day. The Suns offensive attack was again built on singles (6) and walks (7). The only Sun with an extra-base hit on the night was Delwyn Young, who went 1 for 4 with a double and an RBI. Andy LaRoche went 1 for 3 with a walk and 2 strikeouts, scoring a run. James Loney also scored a run, going 1 for 4 on the night. Neither Joel Guzman or Russell Martin started the second game, though Martin grounded out as a pinch-hitter in the 7th.

The Suns pitching staff combined for a lackluster performance. Kuo struck out 4 in 1.2 innings of relief, but was tagged for 3 runs (2 earned) on 4 hits and a walk to pickup the loss. William Juarez, tonight's starter, is a 24 year old right-hander obtained from Arizona in the Shawn Green trade. He seems to be competing with Eric Hull for the 5th starter slot in the Suns rotation. Tonight's performance certainly did not help his cause, as he only made it through 4.1 innings, allowing 3 earned runs on 4 hits (1 homerun) and 4 walks, while striking out 4. Juarez was pulled after allowing a three-run homerun to Jeremy Hermida with one out in the 5th.

Vero Beach Dodgers (High-A):
The Dodgers lost 5 - 3 to St. Lucie.

All three of the Dodgers runs came by way of the long ball. Outfielder Anthony Raglani hit a solo shot in the 2nd, his 7th of the year. At 22 years old, Raglani may be a marginal prospect with a .281/.386/.412 batting line, though he is likely behind two of his outfield teammates, Justin Ruggiano (age 23) and Matt Kemp (age 20). Ruggiano went 1 for 4 on the night and scored a run. Among Vero Beach regulars, Ruggiano leads the team in on-base percentage (.398) and slugging (.521) and is second in batting average (.312) to Tony Abreu (.323). Kemp went 2 for 4 and crushed his 15th homerun of the season in the 4th to account for the other two Dodgers runs. Matt Kemp has tremendous power (.271 ISO), but his lack of plate discipline is killing him (60 Ks and 11 BBs in 211 ABs). Coming into the season, Xavier Paul (16th) was ranked ahead of Matt Kemp (29th) according to Baseball America. After this season, those rankings will certainly change as Paul hasn't done anything on the year (.222/.302/.320).

Julio Pimentel pitched a good game, leaving with a 3 - 2 lead after 5 innings, but Beltran Perez gave up 3 runs (all earned) in 2.1 innings to take the loss. Pimentel gave up 5 hits (all singles) and 2 walks while striking out 5. Starting the season as the Dodgers 13th best prospect, at 19 years old, Pimentel has put together a great season so far. In 77 innings, he has struck out 74 batters and walked 31, while only allowing 4 homeruns. He is behind his teammate Chuck Tiffany (10th) on the Dodgers prospect depth chart. Beltran Perez was acquired from the Diamondbacks in the Shawn Green trade.

Columbus Catfish (Low-A):
The Catfish lost 5 - 2 to Greensboro.

Right-fielder Ryan Russ went 3 for 5 and fell a homerun short of the cycle. At 24, with a .270/.319/.423 batting line in Low-A, he is not on the list of Dodgers prospects. Second baseman Travis Denker went 2 for 2 with 2 walks, but he was left on the bases all four times. Denker was not on the Dodgers top prospect list prior to the season, but will certainly be joining the elite club after his performance this year. He's batting .273/.393/.469 on the season. He still strikes out too often (65 Ks), but he is leading the league with 57 walks in 271 at-bats. Blake Dewitt went 1 for 3 with 2 walks and an RBI. The walks are a nice touch, as he only had 18 walks in 303 at-bats coming into the game.

The overall mediocre pitching performance was led off by starter Brandon Weeden, the third piece in the Kevin Brown - Jeff Weaver trade. Weeden pitched 5.2 innings giving up 4 runs (3 earned) on 6 hits and 3 walks, while striking out 5. Weeden's performance on the night is representative of his season overall. In 74 innings pitched, Weeden has a 4.74 ERA with 63 Ks, 39 BBs, and 9 HRs. At the high end of 21 years old in Low-A, Weeden needs to turn things around quickly. All four of his rotation-mates (Christopher Malone, Blake Johnson, Scott Elbert, and Javy Guerra) are likely higher on the Dodgers prospect charts.

Ogden Raptors (Rookie):
The Rapors lost 6 - 0 to Casper.

The Raptors scattered 9 baserunners, 5 singles and 4 walks, over the course of the game. First baseman David Sutherland, outfielder Sergio Pedroza, and catcher Juan Apodaca each reached base twice on a single and a walk. Shortstop Shane Justis, second baseman Jesus Soto, and DH Jason Mooneyham represented the other Raptors baserunners.

Kristoper Krise had his third poor start since joining the team. By allowing 4 runs (all earned) over 4 innings, Krise dropped his ERA to 11.68. Of the 6 hits Krise allowed, 2 of them left the yard, and he only struck out 2 batters.

GCL Dodgers (Rookie):
Did Not Play

2005-07-03 22:59:00
228.   Xeifrank
Retaliating? You mean Brazoban should've broke Erickson's wrist?
vr, Xei
2005-07-03 22:59:21
229.   bokonon42
Quick! Change the channel, the game replay is starting.
2005-07-03 23:01:56
230.   bokonon42
228- That would've been alright, but I meant either of those three beaning a D'back. They hit our best player on the wrist. The proper response to that is hitting their best player in the head. Or the pitcher, if he's batting.
2005-07-03 23:06:22
231.   ddger
227. Thanks for that GREAT REPORT. I don't know how or where you get all this info but PLEASE CONTINUE.

Do you think the Dodgers are done this year and not trade top prospects and wait till next year. Drew's injury is killer. We've had too many injuries to compete this year. I know it's painful and frustrating but I guess we'll have to experience growing pains.

2005-07-03 23:10:46
232.   ddger
Maybe we can just bring up the minor leaguers and give them a crash course and just chalk up this season. Hope this can speed up the rebuilding process because I think Dodgers are going through a transition process anyway.
2005-07-03 23:14:54
233.   Fearing Blue
#231: Thank you! It's mostly information culled from the box scores and Baseball America. I'll try to keep it up, though I'm guessing / hoping the summaries get a little shorter as time goes on. There's only so many times that I can say that Blake Dewitt has been a disappointment :).

After tonight's game, the Dodgers are 5 games under .500 and 6.5 games back of the Padres. The Padres are starting to get healthy again, and the Dodgers are not. We're not done yet, but there are definitely forks on the horizon. At this point, I wouldn't do a trade strictly for this season, but anything like the Lo Duca trade last year would be fine.

2005-07-03 23:17:20
234.   Fearing Blue
#232: The Dodgers are indeed going through a transition process and DePodesta has done a great job of managing that transition thus far. He's created roster flexibility to allow the minor leaguers to contribute next year and beyond.

I stated this before, but if this season is a bust, I wouldn't rush to bring up minor leaguers. As long as the players can continue to improve in the minors, it's better to let them do it there, instead of starting their arbitration clock early.

2005-07-03 23:17:52
235.   ddger
233. In your opinion, who would you consider bringing up from minors if you were the GM. I think your computer works much better than Depo's anyway.
2005-07-03 23:20:10
236.   ddger
234. If we don't bring up any prospects, who would be on your list of players to trade for. Heard Bret Boone was DFA. Is he worth pursing?
2005-07-03 23:21:19
237.   LAT
I'm glad no one took me up on the tickets. I would have hated to be responsible for anyone else having to endure that game. To compound things, the fireworks had to be cut short because two fires had started in the parking lot. One report said some trees cought fire another said a car cought fire. Not until the drive home did I hear that that was the least of our problems.
2005-07-03 23:24:29
238.   Fearing Blue
#235: Assuming we're out of it later in the year, the three players I would give extended trials to are Steve Schmoll (age 24), Eric Stults (age 25), and Derek Thompson (age 25), all currently in Las Vegas. Stults, Thompson, and Houlton will likely compete for a spot in the Dodgers starting rotation next year. The ones who do not get a rotation slot will be competing with Steve Schmoll for slots in the bullpen.
2005-07-03 23:27:21
239.   ddger
Fearing Blue, you show lot of patience and very cool thinking. I'm trying to be patient but this season has been very trying.
2005-07-03 23:28:59
240.   ddger
238. Any position players that can help? Also, should we give Choi extended opportunity to see if he can cut it.
2005-07-03 23:40:11
241.   Fearing Blue
#236: Kent is better than Boone and makes a lot less money. It's conceivable we could trade for Boone and move Kent to first base, but that seems unlikely considering Boone's performance the past two years and DePodesta's faith in Hee Seop Choi. Boone is making $9 million in the last year of his contract, so he wouldn't help us next year. There's a decent chance that Boone will end up in San Diego as a fill-in for Mark Loretta.

Prior to Drew going down, I was suggesting trading for Matt Lawton, because he wouldn't require as significant of prospects as Adam Dunn and he can play all three outfield positions well. But, Lawton is only signed through this season, and since this season is looking like it's going to be scrapped, I wouldn't trade for him now (perhaps with an extension).

My feeling has been that in the next offseason the three primary goals will be A) a good starting pitcher for 1 - 2 years, B) a young, left-handed, slugging fourth outfielder for 2 - 3 years, and C) a third baseman / utility infielder for 1 year. If we can fill either of the first two now, I would go for it, even if it means giving up major league talent in return (Izturis, Saenz, Brazoban, Weaver, and Saenz are possibilities).

2005-07-03 23:47:34
242.   Fearing Blue
#239: It has certainly been trying for me as well. Concentrating on the minor leagues is what has kept me sane :).

#240: For Choi's sake, of course we should give Choi an extended opportunity! We have very little organizational depth at first base, and if this season's shot, we should give Choi every opportunity to lock up the starting job for next year. I'd rather not hear any more "arm angles" or "0 for 10" garbage from Jim Tracy.

As far as positional prospects, we don't have much that's major-league ready. Catchers Dioner Navarro and Russell Martin are the closest, but there's probably not enough difference between them and Jason Phillips at this point. Andy LaRoche and Joel Guzman can probably hit major league pitching a bit, but both of them need to work on their defense.

2005-07-03 23:55:11
243.   Langhorne
LAT, a good series for your daughter. I'm happy for her as I've always been a fan of Green. He seems to be playing much better all around this year. Although several decades have past I can still remember the desperation of a kid rooting for their favorite player. I love the game but it's not the same as when I was young.
2005-07-03 23:57:45
244.   natepurcell
more bad news.

Hong-chih Kuo left the game in the seventh inning because he heard a pop in his arm.

career might be over for kuo. which is a shame, he had billy wagner type cieling.

2005-07-03 23:59:42
245.   Fearing Blue
#244: That's almost as disappointing to me as the Drew news. I've been following him closely this season. He has Billy Wagner upside, but he seems to have Darren Dreifort durability. It certainly is a shame.
2005-07-04 00:02:06
246.   natepurcell
kuos injury is MORE dissapointing to me than drew. at least drew will come back. in all liklihood, kuo is done.

but we shouldnt jump to conclusions, it might be nothing and kuo is just paranoid. no MRIs have been done yet.

2005-07-04 00:05:49
247.   Fearing Blue
#246: Nate, did you get the news from here?

I'm wondering if there's any more information out there.

2005-07-04 00:05:57
248.   ddger
242. Agree, at least there is hope since our minor leaguers are playing so well. Maybe now Tracy doesn't have any more excuses for not using Choi. He should just start Choi for like next 15 to 20 games just to see if he can cut it at this level. I'm sure Depo wouldn't mind. I think Depo is frustrated with Tracy but won't come out publically and say it.
2005-07-04 00:08:45
249.   ddger
Do you think Choi can succeed as full time 1st baseman or is he at best platoon player. If he can give us .260/20HR/80RBI, we should be satisfied. I think his defense is causing Tracy to keep him on the bench a lot tool
2005-07-04 00:09:11
250.   natepurcell
yea thats where i got the news. i havent found anything else. i dont know where to look. i found an email on the jaxsuns homepage and i emailed them asking if they know anything more.
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2005-07-04 00:09:58
251.   LAT
Thanks Langhorne, yes she was happy even if I wasn't. What a painful game. By my count there were at least five misplayed balls tonight. The fireworks capped it off. The fans were angry. I think most of the fans were more upset about the fireworks than the quality of play on the field.
2005-07-04 00:21:50
252.   ddger
What was really painful about losing 2 out 3 to AZ was that AZ was playing worse than us lately and we needed to at least win the series so AZ won't start picking up momentum. Now all that work against SD was wasted because we are 6.5 again. I thought that we can pass AZ by ALL STAR break with some breathing room and just have to chase SD rest of the season.
2005-07-04 00:37:52
253.   LAT
I thought that we can pass AZ by ALL STAR break with some breathing room and just have to chase SD rest of the season.

ddger, I think pretty soon we won't even be able to see AZ's taillights. We will be playing to finish ahead of the Gnats. That's all.

2005-07-04 02:09:44
254.   bokonon42
A dream lies dead here. May you softly go
Before this place, and turn away your eyes,
Nor seek to know the look of that which dies
Importuning Life for life. Walk not in woe,
But, for a little, let your step be slow.
And, of your mercy, be not sweetly wise
With words of hope and Spring and tenderer skies.
A dream lies dead; and this all mourners know:

Whenever one drifted petal leaves the tree-
Though white of bloom as it had been before
And proudly waitful of fecundity-
One little loveliness can be no more;
And so must Beauty bow her imperfect head
Because a dream has joined the wistful dead!

--Dorothy Parker

2005-07-04 02:34:45
255.   stubbs
Fairly or unfairly, JD Drew is notching another 100 game season...hence why the anti-depos had a problem with this signing. Luck or not, some guys are made of paper mache. JD OPS is one of them.
2005-07-04 02:56:49
256.   Jim Hitchcock
Oh, C'mon, Stubbs. You can't equate a broken wrist with pulled hamstrings and gimpy knees.
2005-07-04 03:38:41
257.   bokonon42
I think stubbs is right. In fact, if a meteorite strikes him, and cracks so much as a rib, it'll just go to show how fragile Drew is. And how useless OPS is. And that Paul LoDuca rocks. I forget the rest. OH! That none of the other GMs trust DePo. Were there more?
2005-07-04 03:50:38
258.   Jim Hitchcock
You left out the part about all of us loving DePo sooo much. Because....well, just because.
2005-07-04 05:50:55
259.   Sam DC
Logged on all worked up to make a funny "the softy Drew sure is prone to getting hit on the wrist" joke, but just don't have the heart. What a drag.

Thanks, Fearing, for the great report. Never celebrated Christmas growing up, but the name "Kristoper Krise" just makes me smile anyways.

I'm going to the Nationals Mets this afternoon. Old friend Kaz Ishii goes for the Mets, so I've explained to my friends that he'll either throw a no hitter, walk 9 and lose, or both.


2005-07-04 07:16:02
260.   Steve
255 -- Plaschke Dumb.

(I'll take my medicine now, Jon.)

2005-07-04 07:30:49
261.   Suffering Bruin
254 - thanks for that. I love that last line, "the wistful dead". Parker had a rapier like wit and was a master of irony but "A Dream Lies Dead" can bring tears to your eyes. Great stuff.

I'm still pissed.

2005-07-04 07:33:09
262.   Suffering Bruin
And by the by, I'd like to apologize if at any moment I wrote in one of my 72 posts during last night's game that "Drew looks fine" and "Halsey seems wild, not mailicious (as if that matters)" and other mealy-mouthed posts about our guys playing dodgeball last night.

Timmerman came for blood last night. The Dodgers would've joined him if they knew about Drew.

2005-07-04 08:06:41
263.   Suffering Bruin
Am I blue?
Over Drew?
Ain't these tears in these eyes telling you
Am I blue?
You'd be too
if your entire team had boo-boos

There was a time we had the OPS one
But now we're the sad and lonely ones

We were gay
to make trades
but we're sellers now, not buyers
'Cuz we're through

2005-07-04 08:11:09
264.   Mark

Phillips, Bako, Choi, Saenz, Izturis, Valentin, A.Perez, Werth, Repko, Grabowski, Ledee, Weaver, O.Perez, Carrara, Sanchez, Brazoban, Alvarez, Houlton.

Just sell.

2005-07-04 09:08:41
265.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
I wake up this morning to this.

Drew hurt, Kuo's career perhaps over.


My motto now is sell, sell, sell. What contender needs a good shortsop? If Weaver has a nice run, we might also get something for him if a team desperately needs another starter. I also think Saenz would have good value, and that would force Tracy to play Choi regularly. I also think we should bring up Chen from AAA and settle once and for all how he'd do in the bigs. I doubt he'll succeed, but what's the downside now? Ledee's a known quantity, and IMO, Repko has had enough ABs to show he can't cut it. Spread the playing time around with Ross, Repko, Werth, and Chen, and see who does the best?


2005-07-04 09:38:44
266.   Vishal
this is so incredibly depressing. it feels like someone just shot my dog.
2005-07-04 09:45:13
267.   LAT
You guys missed the point Stubbs was making in #255. If Drew were not so gimppy from his knee injury he would have been able to get out of the way of the pitch and the Halsey meteor wouldn't have hit him:-)

Regardless of what you think of Drew, this injury has nothing to do with "heart." I think even LaRussa would agree with that.

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