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Morning Mix
2005-07-30 07:10
by Jon Weisman

Today's Game

* * *

Quote of the day: (supplied by Bill Plunkett in the Register):

"I'd love to do something to get a bat in there to pick up some of the slack with J.D. (Drew) out," Paul DePodesta said. "The last 48 hours (before the deadline) can be crazy and proposals can come that haven't come in the past month. We're certainly not going to do something just to do something. We're only going to do something if we feel it makes us better."

* * *

What the local papers all mentioned today:

1) Jonathan Broxton gave up two singles.

2) Jason Phillips was moved to first base.

What the local papers didn't mention today:

1) Both singles were weak bloopers.

2) The merits (?) of starting Phillips' .649 OPS ahead of Hee Seop Choi's .783 OPS.

* * *

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but I'm still linking to it: an eight-page article on former Dodger hitting coach Jack Clark.

On a sweltering June afternoon, Jack Clark quietly emerges from the visitors' dugout at Marinelli Field in Rockford, Illinois, dressed in black. Surveying his minor-league pupils as they go through their pregame motions, the River City Rascals hitting coach offers a terse assessment of the venue:

"F-----' brutal."

A night earlier, Clark's Rascals dropped the opener of a three-game series against the defending Frontier League champion Rockford RiverHawks, 4-1, but he missed the tilt owing to gastrointestinal complications. Now he lumbers toward the back of the batting cage to watch Rascals infielder Justin McKinley take his cuts off the ballclub's manager, Randy Martz, a former Cubs hurler who does double duty during batting practice (or "beeps," in Rascal parlance).

McKinley proceeds to foul two of Martz's dirt-stained gopher balls off the lip of the chain-link overhang, providing Clark an alternative use for his pet phrase. ...

The author tries to pass along the pretense that Clark took responsibility for the Dodgers' poor hitting performance under his tenure, but it's still easy to spot how willing Clark is to point the finger (which one?) just about anywhere else but at himself.

Previous Dodger Thoughts entries on the somehow fascinating creature:

Fire Jack Clark? (June 12, 2003)

The Clark Bar (July 11, 2003)

Look Out, Vinny - You're Next (August 5, 2003)

Talk to Floyd (August 5, 2003)

Cry Us a River, Jack (August 24, 2003)

Hmm. Coaching Can Help (September 25, 2003)

Jesse James and Jack Clark (July 14, 2004)

Comments (306)
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2005-07-30 08:19:44
1.   Marty
Intersting article Jon. Clark comes off as a dope to me. For people who didn't like the TRADE and moving Green, Clark is your guy. He thinks Kent is selfish for still playing second.

The best part of the article is him saying "take that, bitches" when he hits the homer off of Niedenfeuer. That was funny.

2005-07-30 08:41:36
2.   brendan glynn
I'm headed to the game today knowing there isn't a chance Navarro is behind the dish. Maybe JT will put him at first. Hopefully I can see the Bull at least and maybe some Choi.
2005-07-30 08:52:59
3.   the OZ
Now that Broxton's in LA, can we call him El Toro?
2005-07-30 09:19:12
4.   brendan glynn

Nice, Yes we can.

Jack Clark and The Dodgers. Oil and Water, Cats and Dogs, Up is Down, Day is Night. Bad luck just seeing something like that.

2005-07-30 09:38:37
5.   Howard Fox
if righty-lefty isn't an issue with Tracy, then why not have Kent at 1B and APerez at 2B?

Phillips is not a 1Bman, hence him wandering over and knocking the pop out of Kent glove...if he is the backup C, then let him be the backup...

Choi isn't going to play anymore unless there is another rash of injuries...or rarely to rest someone...

I really liked the way Navarro took charge out there running the defense, reminding the pitchers there were runners on base...haven't seen that from any of our catchers all season...

someone must have spoken with Duaner Sanchez...the last couple of times out, he is really going after the hitters instead of nibbling around, and he is looking really good again...with him, Broxton, Schmoll, Wunsch when healthy, and Gagne next year...looking like a pretty good bullpen all of a sudden...where does that leave Brazoban...or Carrera...or Alvarez...

2005-07-30 09:46:52
6.   gvette
#5 Howard, hopefully that leaves Alvarez and Carrara as organization pitching coaches after they announce their retirements.

I'd still rather try to have Brazoban as the main set up man next year, at his young age, then any of the alternatives.

Agreed, having new blood like Navarro and Broxton up, along with an effective Schmoll is a breath of fresh air for a stagnant ball club. Hopefully DePo will be able to further invigorate the club this weekend.

2005-07-30 10:03:13
7.   jasonungar05
Jason Phillips is batting just .210 over the last two months. So yeah Howard your idea works for me when I think to myself, Choi will never play, so just get over it.
2005-07-30 10:25:25
8.   Bob Timmermann
Random Dodger game callback

July 30, 1917

Rube Marquard went the distance and Brooklyn pounded out 13 hits at Crosley Field as they won easily over the Reds, 7-3. But the win did little to salvage a disappointing season for the defending National League champions, who were 43-46 and 14 games behind the first place Giants and in sixth place.

The Reds scored first in the game in the bottom of the second when Tommy Griffith tripled and then scored on a sacrifice fly from Jim Thorpe. But that lead soon disappeared.

In the top of the third, catcher Chief Meyers doubled and then went to third on a single by Marquard. Shortstop Ivy Olson singled in Meyers to tie the game. First baseman Jake Daubert grounded into a force play to put runners on first and third. Hi Myers singled to right to score Marquard and Jimmy Johnston singled home Daubert to make the score 3-1 Brooklyn.

Brooklyn added a pair of runs in the 8th and 9th innings to seal the win. Marquard had a 2-run double in the 9th off of Cincinnati rookie Herman Pillette, making his major league debut. He would not return to the majors until 1922 with the Tigers.

1917 was a long season in Brooklyn. Coming off the excitement of a pennant in 1916, Brooklyn fell all the way to seventh place at 70-81, 26 ½ games behind the Giants. Only the woeful Pirates at 51-103 were worse.

Brooklyn's biggest problem was that star outfielder Zack Wheat was able to play in only 109 games. He batted .312, but without him, the offense suffered. The team batted just .247 and no other regular batted higher than .261.

The pitching staff was still good and had an ERA of 2.78, but the lack of runs led to some bad W-L records. Jeff Pfeffer was 11-15 despite a 2.23 ERA. Marquard managed to win 19 games and lose only 12 with a 2.55 ERA.

After a slow start, Brooklyn made some efforts to get over the .500 mark and did so twice, the last time after winning the first game of a doubleheader on August 5 to be 48-47. But Brooklyn would go 22-34 the rest of the way, including a 9-18 September, in which they played just 4 games at home, losing 3 and tying the other.

Improving the team would be hard over the next two years, as World War I would make the seasons shorter and personnel harder to keep on the field.

Thanks to New York Times, and Retrosheet

2005-07-30 10:29:52
9.   Linkmeister
In hopes of inspiring DePo, I just made a trade in my Tolkien baseball league ( where I got three starters and two draft picks for a couple of aging players.

First time in five seasons I'm over .500 this late in the year.

2005-07-30 10:32:25
10.   Linkmeister
My goodness, it's even better than I thought! The Dol Guldur Dragons are tied for first in their division! :)
2005-07-30 10:49:30
11.   Bob Timmermann
RDGCs will be on hiatus from July 31 until August 9. My hotel is supposed to have free internet access, but I will be busy with other things.

Good thing the Dodgers are on the East Coast, most of my trip. I won't have to stay up until the wee hours of the morning.

2005-07-30 10:50:58
12.   Jon Weisman
I long ago acknowledged that Choi is Tracy's backup. In fact, he's now fourth string, behind Saenz, Phillips and Kent.
2005-07-30 10:51:29
13.   LAT
Short notice, but I have two tickets for today's game I suddenly can't use and am happy to give them to someone here. Asile 135 (orange level-inside 3B) third row. You have to come to West LA to pick them up.
2005-07-30 10:54:08
14.   fanerman
Call me pathetic, but I'm more in denial about Choi and playing time than I am about the Dodgers and playoff hopes.
2005-07-30 10:55:42
15.   LAT
13 No charge, of course.
2005-07-30 10:56:27
16.   Howard Fox
12 - and DePo appears okay with it...

14 - I think the Dodgers will win the west, in a close race with the Padres and Giants...the Giants are only 1 1/2 back of us

2005-07-30 10:56:30
17.   Borchard504
13. I'd be interested, but google maps says I am 2,229 mi (about 1 day 14 hours) away.
2005-07-30 10:56:57
18.   fanerman
You should require that whoever gets your tickets brings a sign to the game saying "Jim Tracy, play Hee Seop Choi NOW!!!!" or something like that.
2005-07-30 10:59:28
19.   Howard Fox
18 - you are kidding, right? while I believe Phillips should not be at first, he did make a terrific play on the Edmonds shot down the line in the 9th...Choi can't filed a slow roller right at him...
2005-07-30 11:02:34
20.   fanerman
2005-07-30 11:09:30
21.   Steve
LAT hates Hee Seop Choi with a red hot passion. :)
2005-07-30 11:11:42
22.   fanerman
2005-07-30 11:15:06
23.   LAT
But for Choi I would not have those tickets available today. Daughter abandon me for playdate. If SG were still there she would go and no free tickets. So if someone takes the tickets they have Choi to thank. :-)

I've reached the point that I would rather see Choi than Phillips at 1B.

2005-07-30 11:17:11
24.   fanerman
Did you just say you'd rather see Phillips at 1B than Choi? And you're not kidding?
2005-07-30 11:20:41
25.   LAT
Chicon strikes out Vlad. Apparently the Yanks should be taking every lousy available pitcher in baseball, give them one start while they are all jacked up and then not let them have a second start when they will fall back to earth.

Can Cashman spell E-R-I-C-K-S-O-N. Would love to see him get a shot in NY. They would eat him alive.

2005-07-30 11:22:50
26.   LAT
A-Rod just plunked on the wrist ala JD Drew but staying in the game for now. (But then Drew stayed in too)
2005-07-30 11:29:34
27.   Bob Timmermann
Rodriguez got hit higher up on the arm it looked like.

The problem with getting on the wrist is that there are a lot of tiny bones there, so it's not too hard to break one if you take a direct hit.

Did Drew have a break that could be reset or was it the kind where they just take the bone out unded the theory of "Well, you've got about 30 others there to do the work"?

2005-07-30 11:35:25
28.   Bob Timmermann
The headline on the preview for the Padres-Reds game is:
Reeling Padres turn to Astacio vs. Reds

Pedro Astacio is 2-9 with a 5.84 ERA.

Life in the NL West!

The Rockies are starting Aaron Cook today. He's been out a year after suffering a pulmonary embolism. That's good for him since most people end up dead after one of those. The story says he had a few embolisms, but they were removed surgically before they blew .

2005-07-30 11:39:28
29.   DaveP
How did Juan Apodoca go from catching at rookie league Ogden to AAA yesterday? Quite the jump.

Navarro threw out 34% of base stealers in AAA Vegas. Mike Rose threw out 29% in AAA Vegas.

Delwyn Young was promoted to AAA to replace the traded Thurston.

2005-07-30 11:42:36
30.   King of the Hobos
Apodoca has had quite the year, Columbus-Ogden-Vegas. On Thursday Nixon left the game, which meant Theodrou had to catch. Apodoca was closer to Vegas than any other catcher, so he rushed over there until Rose got there. He'll probably be back in Ogden soon
2005-07-30 11:48:15
31.   LAT
Has Penny served or appealed his suspension?
2005-07-30 11:55:28
32.   Bob Timmermann
Penny's appeal is still pending. But with the off day coming up, I don't see why he doesn't serve it now.

Fri - Penny
Sat - Lowe
Sun - OPerez
Mon - OFF
Tue - Weaver
Wed - Houlton
Thu - Lowe
Fri - OPerez
Sat - Penny

Would changing the order of the rotation make much of a difference now?

2005-07-30 11:56:39
33.   Steve
I've reached the point that I would rather see Choi than Phillips at 1B.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that saying I want someone other than Jason Phillips to play first base is not saying much at all. One could say that of the witch's wing-ed monkeys, Eddie Gaedel, Billy Ashley, and very likely Scott Erickson. Where Choi slots in amongst the virtually billions of possibilities at first base that would be an improvement on Jason Phillips is for each man to decide individually.

2005-07-30 11:57:42
34.   coachbean
Looking at the minor league rosters and following the trade of Joey "Ballgame" Thurston... Young was promoted to AAA (as previously mentioned), Tony Abreu was promoted to AA and Travis Denker was promoted to Hi-A Vero... I am excited to get to see what Denker can do with the 35 games left on the Vero schedule.

At this rate shouldn't the Dodgers do a little more of maneuvering with the minor league roster, I mean the 51' are full of dead weight (other than Aybar), why not give some "organization" guys like Donovan and Tydus Meadows (one guy I am rooting for a sept callup)a chance. You could then move up Kemp to AA where the outfield has no prospects. Also, how about Billingsly to AAA prior to a Sept callup?

2005-07-30 11:59:21
35.   fanerman
Who did we get for Joey Ballgame anyway?
2005-07-30 11:59:31
36.   Steve
In fact, I would probably even prefer Shawn Green over Jason Phillips. :)
2005-07-30 11:59:47
37.   Bob Timmermann

We'll tell you later.

2005-07-30 12:01:57
38.   Bob Timmermann
Does anyone know if today's game, televised on Channel 13, is a FOX national broadcast, or is it a Dodgers broadcast.

I know the Angels are on Channel 11, but I was wondering if this was some weird doubleheader day.

2005-07-30 12:04:08
39.   Jon Weisman
I believe it's a weird doubleheader day, as the telecast was promoted during last week's Fox Dodgers-Mets telecast.
2005-07-30 12:04:09
40.   King of the Hobos
The schedule on says FOX, so I have no idea what's happening. My TV does agree that it's being televised on UPN
2005-07-30 12:06:59
41.   Bob Timmermann
FOX owns both Channels 11 and 13. Which is why Rick Garcia does the sports on Channel 11 news and then wanders over to do the Channel 13 news as the "serious" guy who actually dresses like an adult rather than the women who like they are headed for a night of clubhopping.
2005-07-30 12:09:49
42.   gvette
#34 There can't be much thought to clearing the "dead wood" from the Las Vegas roster if the Dodgers offered Erickson a starting job there, with the possibility of a September callup.

#33 For a guy who played 1B in the majors on a semi regular basis in the past, Phillips makes LoDuca look like a Wes Parker gold glover by comparison at first.

Despite his 40+ RBI, the more Phillips plays, the less he has in trade value. Unfortunately, because the way he's been handled by Tracy, Choi probably has NO trade value.

2005-07-30 12:12:09
43.   alex 7
re:34 I think Depo isn't too fond of sending top pitching prospects to the thin air of AAA Vegas. Probably does nothing else but hurt their confidence.
2005-07-30 12:14:18
44.   alex 7
lol, fanerman, because sarcasm is as hard to pick up here as a Broxton breaking ball, we can't tell you who the Dodgers received for Thurston because it was a "player to be named later." I'm going with Kevin Brown...


2005-07-30 12:16:33
45.   Bob Timmermann
I hope I didn't sound too smart-a-- like. (Because you know we'd never guess what the -- stands for.)

I read in a Rob Neyer piece that the only requirement for a player to be named later is that the guy can't be from the same league that the other player was from. Since the Yankees AAA team is in the IL, it could be just about anybody.

2005-07-30 12:18:37
46.   atg12
Wasn't there a guy on the Mets in the 60's who was traded "for a player to be named later," ended up being so bad, that he was the player they sent back?
2005-07-30 12:18:48
47.   fanerman
Yeah I figured. I don't even know what team we traded him to.

Re: TV
It's being shown on fox in the bay area, if that makes a difference.

2005-07-30 12:19:25
48.   fanerman
Okay. The Yankees.
2005-07-30 12:20:29
49.   Bob Timmermann
Conor Jackson making his major league debut today in Chicago, playing first base for the DBacks. Green is in RF today with Terrero in CF.

Some of the DBacks fan forums talk about Green being unhappy in Arizona and wanting to be traded, but that could be wishful thinking on their part. A lot of DBack fans don't seem to care much for Green.

2005-07-30 12:21:39
50.   Bob Timmermann
I think it's happened several times where the player to be named later is the same guy. It's sort of like the Lend-Lease Program before the US got into World War II.
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2005-07-30 12:25:31
51.   LAT
49. Bob where are you reading that about SG I would like to see it too.
2005-07-30 12:26:41
52.   Bob Timmermann
It was in some of the Baseball Primer threads about the Nevin-Park deal.
2005-07-30 12:27:50
53.   LAT
52. Thanks
2005-07-30 12:28:59
54.   coachbean
#42 My guess about Erickson is that Dodger management told him about the "possibility" of a Sept callup so that he would go quietly... If he threw a fuss on his way out it would definitely make the LA times. But, if he goes down to AAA stinks it up and they never offer that Sept callup then nobody will listen to his gripes at that point.

Erickson even made the concilliatory statement "I'm surprised it took this long" to the LA times, showing the ability to restrain his mouth that wasn't there ealier this year.

As far as Billingsly in the thin air of AAA, I think a short 1 month stint before Sept 1 would really help management see if he can contribute (to a playoff run), and how much damage could 1 month do to Billingsly's confidence?

2005-07-30 12:35:46
55.   King of the Hobos
Good news, Dodgers MVP Jason Phillips is yet again starting at first (same lineup as yesterday, but Navarro in 7 and Repko behind him)
2005-07-30 12:39:48
56.   fanerman
Currently fourth string
Our best option at first base
Fire Jim Tracy.
2005-07-30 12:48:20
57.   coachbean
Phillips... not Choi!!!! Ugh this is ridiculous...

you know Tracy used to do these screwy lineups only once or twice a week, but since the injuries he does it EVERY GAME... this guy is an idiot who should be coaching in little league

2005-07-30 12:50:46
58.   Bob Timmermann
The weird thing is that Choi is 3 for 4 in his career against Suppan.

Phillips is 2 for 5.

Neither sample means much of course.

2005-07-30 12:51:02
59.   LAT
Does anyone know Phillips/Choi splits against Suppan? That may be the reason.
2005-07-30 12:51:45
60.   Borchard504
56) Coming around slowly to the same conclusion.
2005-07-30 12:51:50
61.   fanerman
Is a good player a good player if he is not allowed to play?

Let us meditate on that Zen-like "koan."

2005-07-30 12:53:22
62.   Steelyeri
Freakin' tracy! You're killin' me here!
2005-07-30 12:57:45
63.   alex 7
coachbean, one month really messed Jackson up. I'm not saying Billingsl(e)y - I've seen it spelled both ways, not sure which it is - wouldn't succeed at AAA, but from the looks of things, Depo seems to want his top pitching prospects in the normal atmosphere of AA. THis could just be a coincidence though and we'll see guys like Kuo, Bill, etc moved to AAA soon.
2005-07-30 12:59:25
64.   alex 7
Depo certainly wishes he could let Tracy go. But they're still in the hunt and with no replacement obvious to any of us, there probably isn't a better candidate to make the backlash and distraction worthwhile.
2005-07-30 13:00:11
65.   coachbean
Re: Choi/Phillips
Isn't it funny how irrational some people can be and yet still maintain their positions of authority and the respect of their colleagues...
2005-07-30 13:01:22
66.   Benaiah
I don't understand how Choi and Saenz are both sitting. I thought that the Perez Kent was insulting to our platoon at 1B, but to sit three superior hitters in favor of someone who as an OPS in the Dave Ross range is absurd. Tracy is addicted and Depo needs to have an intervention!
2005-07-30 13:03:52
67.   Bob Timmermann
David Ross' OPS is almost 100 points higher than last year.

However, it's just 642.

2005-07-30 13:04:15
68.   Marty
Man, I hate this Fox announcer. I'm sure we'll also get Lyons
2005-07-30 13:04:35
69.   Marty
And Scooter...
2005-07-30 13:05:47
70.   alex 7
lol, "perhaps his best start of the season"? he one hit cincy through 8. did I miss a no hitter? =)
2005-07-30 13:06:15
71.   LAT
This Steve Lyons bit from the blimp is lame. Gee what a surprise
2005-07-30 13:08:45
72.   Bob Timmermann
Has anyone ever seen the Goodyear blimp land? It uses the complex method of lowering its altitude until it can drop a bunch of cables from its nose and then whole bunch of guys on the ground pull on it until they tie it down.
2005-07-30 13:08:55
73.   JJoeScott
but to sit three superior hitters in favor of someone who as an OPS in the Dave Ross range is absurd.

We could debate the definition of "superior hitters" endlessly, but Tracy has been hinting/saying for weeks now that defense is the key and, while it's not saying much, Phillips does appear to be the best defender of the four (Choi, Saenz, Perez, Phillips). I've also read (reported? rumored?) that teammates are not happy about either Choi or Perez in the field.

2005-07-30 13:09:56
74.   coachbean
Yeah Jackson screwed up in Las Vegas, but he spent TWO months there, and to be quite honest, he wasn't that impressive last season when he spent the entire year with the 51s... My point is that promotion should be based on merit and performance, and Billingsley has earned it. Also a little adversity (LV) may help someone realize their full potential later on.
2005-07-30 13:11:05
75.   Benaiah
Who is injured? Not Lowe please god.
2005-07-30 13:11:28
76.   Bob Timmermann
Eckstein fouled a ball off of his leg.
2005-07-30 13:12:16
77.   Bob Timmermann
Eckstein feels better apparently.
2005-07-30 13:12:24
78.   LAT
Gotta love D.Lo going right back inside to Erckstien
2005-07-30 13:13:36
79.   alex 7
crazy, doesn't any manager just allow a LH hitter to try and pull a groundball and allow the possibility of a hit anymore?

why didn't we walk him?

2005-07-30 13:13:40
80.   Bob Timmermann
Good thing the Cardinals bunted there. Because, it's so unlikely for Pujols to ever get a hit.
2005-07-30 13:14:20
81.   coachbean
Lyons just said "secondary MVP"... apparently he doesn't understand the definition of the word most
2005-07-30 13:15:23
82.   Marty
Well, this is starting out fine.
2005-07-30 13:15:28
83.   alex 7
all his pitches are breaking back over the plate. sad day after last night's excitement =(

I blame it all on Choi not starting.

2005-07-30 13:15:28
84.   Bob Timmermann
Carolyn Hughes has her work cut out for her tonight in cheering up Lowe.
2005-07-30 13:16:22
85.   Benaiah
Ah this is just what I was expecting. Lowe needs to rally and not start throwing BP. While this was unfortunate, Pujols and Edmonds are you know, good to great players and they will occasionally take you deep. Get your game face on Derek.
2005-07-30 13:16:22
86.   Marty
Maybe Derek was served papers this morning.
2005-07-30 13:16:28
87.   LAT
Guess I'll watch the Cub game
2005-07-30 13:20:30
88.   coachbean
Lyons in refering to Tracy's lineups used the phrases "fipping a coin" and "picking names out of a hat" but doesn't sound even the least bit critical of Tracy!!! Fox announcers are useles!!!
2005-07-30 13:21:31
89.   Bob Timmermann
The FOX lineup had two catchers in the Dodgers lineup and no first basemen.

Brennaman was implying that Phillips was now the regular first baseman.

I felt a chill when I heard that.

2005-07-30 13:22:26
90.   Bob Timmermann
The Conor Jackson Era in Arizona starts with a single. Similar to the start of the Dioner Navarro Era last night.
2005-07-30 13:24:34
91.   LAT
Daughter was smart to not want to go to game today. Glad i didn't go without her.
2005-07-30 13:25:43
92.   Bob Timmermann
I gave away my tickets to this game. I'm supposed to be packing for my trip. Which will likely take me about 20 minutes.
2005-07-30 13:26:28
93.   King of the Hobos
Phillips, Navarro, and Repko better have the best game of their career, I'm not going to rely on everyone losing yet again
2005-07-30 13:26:32
94.   dzzrtRatt
Re 86 -- Funny, but probably also true.

Lowe is an emotional guy. This season started flying off the rails the day game in St. Louis when Lowe melted down after a couple of errors led to some runs. Let's just say Lowe's no Mariano Rivera. He's probably embarassed and pissed and worried that this soap opera is going to cost him a lot of McCourt's money.

Also, Carolyn Hughes might've logically decided that this affair was a career-ender for her. She doesn't have a four-year, guaranteed contract worth millions, but probably gets paid barely enough to cover her LA rent and can be fired at will. She might be backing away, breaking poor Derek's heart.

Lowe should have told Tracy he had a blister and taken a powder for the day.

2005-07-30 13:26:42
95.   bokonon42
73- No chance is Phillips the best defender at 1B. Not any.
2005-07-30 13:27:53
96.   Uncle Miltie
Typical trashy Derek Lowe start. Send him to the Yankees for Derek Jeter's Gold Glove trophy.
2005-07-30 13:30:18
97.   Benaiah
A Tale of Two Firstbasemen
Starring Albert Pujols and Jason Phillips,
Tony Larussa and Jim Tracy,
Cardinals' fans and readers of Dodger Thoughts

"It was the best of hitters, it was the slowest of runners, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness…"

2005-07-30 13:31:32
98.   coachbean
A little too much scrap for Repko on that one... he didn't need to dive into the concrete wall on that one (he could've just played the ricochet).
2005-07-30 13:32:02
99.   King of the Hobos
If that weren't Suppan running, we'd be in a lot more trouble
2005-07-30 13:36:58
100.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs up 1-0 on the DBacks in the second on an RBI double from Neifi.
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2005-07-30 13:38:20
101.   Jim Hitchcock
72 - I watched a GY blimp take over 2 1/2 hours to berth on a windy day in Houston years ago.

I'm fairly certain restroom facilities were limited to empty bottles...

2005-07-30 13:42:04
102.   Bob Timmermann
Brennaman and Lyons sticking up for Southern California fans.

Of course, few people outside of Southern California are watching. I suppose the St. Louis market gets this game, but there is no way that the people of St. Louis will change their mind about L.A. fans.

The Cardinals have the self-proclaimed "Best Fans in Baseball" (TM).

2005-07-30 13:42:20
103.   King of the Hobos
Good job scrappy
2005-07-30 13:42:42
104.   bokonon42
Way to stop at second, Phillips.
2005-07-30 13:43:35
105.   King of the Hobos
Edmonds actually had a play at 2nd I'm sure
2005-07-30 13:44:57
106.   King of the Hobos
At least Suppan looked hittable. He better not go Claussen on us though
2005-07-30 13:50:32
107.   Bob Timmermann
This was the teaser on the home page of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch today about yesterday's game:
" Friday night, the late-arriving Dodgers faithful found early reason to cheer at the expense of Cardinals starter Matt Morris"
2005-07-30 13:51:48
108.   King of the Hobos
Lowe looks like he's turned it around. This isn't so out of reach after all
2005-07-30 13:57:16
109.   alex 7
that's a good story.
2005-07-30 14:04:54
110.   alex 7
2005-07-30 14:05:25
111.   King of the Hobos
Day games... sigh
2005-07-30 14:08:20
112.   Benaiah
108 - I think we just witnessed a reverse Krueter. I hope the the Kreuter princlple doesn't eventually force us to speak in double talk and say the opposite of what we mean. "Break a leg" Jason Phillips, no really, I mean it.
2005-07-30 14:09:04
113.   Screwgie
One crappy game followed by one brilliant game followed by one crappy game.

Is there really any difference between Lowe and Kaz Ishii? - besides the salary, I mean.

2005-07-30 14:09:27
114.   Uncle Miltie
Gas can Derek is up to his old tricks.
2005-07-30 14:09:57
115.   Bob Timmermann
No, Lowe had two straight good games. They were preceded by five bad ones. It's a different pattern and not often found in nature.
2005-07-30 14:12:23
116.   LAT
Anyone on base? Of course not.
2005-07-30 14:13:28
117.   Fearing Blue
Jason Phillips has a .619 OPS vs. RHP. Nice work, JT.
2005-07-30 14:14:19
118.   Bob Timmermann

Your comment makes more sense after I fast-forwarded the DV-R. I was doing the picture in picture thing to watch the end of the Angels-Yankees game and when I do that both feeds get slowed down by about 10 seconds.

2005-07-30 14:15:06
119.   Bob Timmermann
It's sad when you go to your mailbox the day before you leave on a trip and the only thing you get is a reminder from the dentist.
2005-07-30 14:15:24
120.   Ryan Jerz
When did Suppan sign with the Dodgers?
2005-07-30 14:15:37
121.   Screwgie
115 - Ahh, the very rare and thought extinct Homo Runien Lowus.
2005-07-30 14:15:42
122.   LAT
Another solo shot. can anyone say 2003
2005-07-30 14:16:24
123.   Johnson
#115 Bob
Hmm...sounds like a reverse Fibonacci sequence skipping every other element. If so, Lowe's due for a single bad start before reaching the "end" of the sequence.

So, does that mean that he's going to be traded at the break?

2005-07-30 14:16:37
124.   Benaiah
Ah yes, after I whined and moaned and did everything but sackcloth and ashes over Phillips in the lineup he goes deep. The Kreuter principle strikes again. In this case though it manages to also doom us to Phillips in the lineup for the rest of the year as a 1B.
2005-07-30 14:16:39
125.   stubbs
I guess we know why Tracy manages the Dodgers and we all dont.

Its winning time people. Jason Phillips is not good, but Hee-Seop Choi is worse and ready for a pennant race.

2005-07-30 14:17:22
126.   stubbs
not ready
2005-07-30 14:17:39
127.   Benaiah
By the way Phillips now has a 666 OPS, coincidence or a sign?
2005-07-30 14:19:35
128.   GoBears
125. Stubbs, you're wrong. Again. Period. But sometimes it IS better to be lucky than good.
2005-07-30 14:20:46
129.   Ryan Jerz
Has there been anny official word on Werth? Isn't this three straight days without him?
2005-07-30 14:24:14
130.   LAT
Yes, the official word on Werth is he sucks.
2005-07-30 14:25:12
131.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger fans disagreements about Choi = Martin Luther and the Catholic Church disagreement on transsubstantiation or consubstantiation.
2005-07-30 14:25:15
132.   bokonon42
No, no, no. One home run does not make Phillips better than Choi, and it sure doesn't make him better than Saenz. And it doesn't mean Tracy was right to start him. It means weird, freaky things sometimes happen. What does, "not ready for a pennant race," even mean?
2005-07-30 14:26:23
133.   alex 7
who's throwing out the first Hughes joke on that "blister"?
2005-07-30 14:26:50
134.   Benaiah
125 - Just out of curiosity Stubbs, in what way is Choi worse? Getting on base (Phillips is below the sabermetric mendoza line of a 300 OBP), hitting for power (Choi has 5 more HR in 70 less ABs), defense (Phillips made one nice play but also fouled one up earlier and it seems a little premature so annoit him a defensive savior at 1B after only 2 games)? What could possibly explain Phillips being better than Choi?
2005-07-30 14:28:35
135.   alex 7
if one HR does that to you stubbs, what did Choi's HR binge vs Minny do to ya?
2005-07-30 14:28:44
136.   bokonon42
131- Well, even though I think that simile makes me a Lutheran, I'd still like to get in to the indulgence selling business. Anybody in need of absolution? stubbs?
2005-07-30 14:28:55
137.   Fearing Blue
#134: And Choi has the platoon advantage against a RHP. It's just nonsense.
2005-07-30 14:29:01
138.   stubbs
A horrible defensive first baseman that the pitchers have complained to tracy about that is VASTLY overrated by you guys on offense. He should never start over Saenz and I have no problem with Phillips playing over him if Tracy's "instinct" tells him so.

When games start become "must-win" I dont want a Wilton Guerrero type mind botching basic defensive bunt plays that I could perform as 11 yr old littl leaguer.

2005-07-30 14:29:26
139.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs lead 2-1 in the fifth after a Cintron error lets a run in.
2005-07-30 14:30:48
140.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
pitchers have complained to tracy
Proof of this, stubbs?
2005-07-30 14:31:16
141.   Bob Timmermann
I think we will let Steve go to Dodger Stadium and hammer a list of 95 theses to the door of Jim Tracy's office.
2005-07-30 14:32:39
142.   bokonon42
138- Did Tracy tell you the pitchers have been complaining? One of your other secret sources? I will say that you seem to have an intimate knowledge of the mind of an 11 year old little leaguers, so I wouldn't question your judgement in that regard.
2005-07-30 14:32:59
143.   Benaiah
I understand, you trust Tracy's instincts. That is why Phillips is better, because of Tracy "bat Repko 2nd, arm angles, lefty righty split, play by the book" supposedly gets a good feeling from Phillips playing first. Well, why didn't you say so!
2005-07-30 14:34:44
144.   stubbs
140-Daily News about a week or two ago, game article in which Choi made a nice play to end the game. Article states he has been working on his defense with Glenn Hoffman cause pitchers had been complaining. Hoffman also saying he is the most raw major leaguer he had ever worked with.
2005-07-30 14:35:21
145.   LAT
140 There have been rumblings to this effect. Someone (I think Bob) even referenced it above or yesterday. Fo anyone who wants to go through 700+ posts
2005-07-30 14:36:33
146.   alex 7
check out that raw hit.
whoa, a double. Phillips would have had a bang bang play at 1st on that.
2005-07-30 14:36:36
147.   Ryan Jerz
Who knew Choi was scrappy?
2005-07-30 14:36:40
148.   stubbs
142-That was funny, you should venture out of your panarama city apartment and hit up the comedy clubs.
2005-07-30 14:37:22
149.   bokonon42
With that double, I now feel comfortable declaring Hee Seop Choi the best damn firstbaseman of all time. Didn't you see it? He hit a double!
2005-07-30 14:37:38
150.   Benaiah
Whew it will be hard for Robles or Izzy to GIDP with Choi on 2B instead of third. Come on wonder twins!
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2005-07-30 14:37:40
151.   LAT
Glaus HR 2-2
2005-07-30 14:38:14
152.   stubbs
146-raw on defensive, we all can witness what a monster he is with the bat. as long as the pitcher doesnt exceed 90, he is the man.
2005-07-30 14:38:16
153.   alex 7
stubbs, just curious, how do you measure offensive success to deem someone underrated or overrated? What do you base it on? Someone showed you the stats are heavily in favor of Choi over Phillips, so really curious.
2005-07-30 14:38:23
154.   natepurcell
hey bob, did you check out the primer LA times article? see what i mean, diamondbacks fan(s) pounce on depo every chance they get. i dont like that guy one bit!
2005-07-30 14:38:40
155.   bokonon42
148- Maybe your daddy will let you borrow the car to come see me, when I do.
2005-07-30 14:39:47
156.   alex 7
what the heck was that????? How does Choi leg out a double then get held up on a single to right center? Freaking Hoffman.
2005-07-30 14:40:12
157.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
as long as the pitcher doesnt exceed 90, he is the man.
Ah. The "slow bat" accusations.
2005-07-30 14:40:34
158.   Bob Timmermann
It's a hot day and Hoffman probably still has a headache.
2005-07-30 14:40:37
159.   stubbs
155-strike 2, lets try one more.

153-i dont love jason phillips, just dont get the Hee-Seop Choi lovefest. He is basically a side show at Dodger stadium.

2005-07-30 14:41:01
160.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 145

I remember the article, but it gave no specifics. Just mysterious and unnamed sources, who have neither confirmed nor denied Jackson's characterization.

Hoffman's Tracy's man--why should we take his judgment as fact? Choi isn't a great defensive 1B by any measure, but is Phillips all that better? And why should we think that he would be a markedly better one? The Mets tried him at 1B years ago, and it's not like they thought the powers of his glove was so great to make up for his bat.

Phillips is a decent hitter for a catcher. He has no business playing 1B against righties. This is just nonsense from Jimbo--another example of his absurd prejudice against Choi.


2005-07-30 14:41:01
161.   Steve
There is no facet of the game where Jason Phillips is better than Hee Seop Choi. None. Any assertion to the contrary is a willful act of ignorance. I have actually seen, on occasion, Hee Seop Choi hit home runs. The fact that Jason Phillips hit one is meaningless.
2005-07-30 14:41:28
162.   alex 7
dang it, two hard hit fouls, now comes the K =(
2005-07-30 14:42:21
163.   Mark Linsey
"Vastly overrated on offense"? Any empirical evidence in support of this? The problem with many Choi-critics is that they perceive Choi-supporters as thinking he is a superstar. He's not Pujols, he's simply average or a little above average, but what's important is that most people are exactly like you underrate him.

And you believe that a single HR by Phillips proves your argument? The point we're making is not that Phillips will not help the Dodgers score any runs, the point is that had Choi been playing more games at first, he would have helped the Dodgers score considerably more runs.

If you believe that Phillips would have over the long run helped to score more runs than Choi, or that the gap between them would be more than made up by runs that Phillips prevents on defense, that's fine as long as you support it with something more empirical than JT's "instincts", which is really just a nicer word for falling back on preconceptions, isn't it?

2005-07-30 14:42:34
164.   alex 7
stubbs, 159 didn't answer the question. Do you not feel like it?
2005-07-30 14:44:02
165.   stubbs
161-i dont disagree with you, i wish saenz could play everday, but Choi should not play either.
2005-07-30 14:44:10
166.   Benaiah
159 - I don't think it is a love fest. No one here is claiming that Choi is Pujols redux, but the man obviously has a ton of power potential and Tracy treats him like he is... the offensive counter part to Erickson. He is a young cheap player with potential and I wouldn't mind him getting swings over older guys with very little potential (Saenz and Phillips).
2005-07-30 14:45:03
167.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
No, it's not an "unintentional intentional walk." That would mean the pitcher gave Kent four wide ones by accident. That was an intentional unintentional walk.
2005-07-30 14:45:54
168.   Bob Timmermann
The few DBacks fans at Baseball Primer are a little testy because:
1) the Yankee fans gave them grief over the 2001 World Series
2) then the DBacks had their collapse last season and everybody got on their case
3) they had Bob Brenly managing them for a while
4) once the Dodgers hired DePodesta, the sabermetric crowd gravitated toward the Dodgers as being superior to the DBacks and ridiculed the DBacks acquisition of guys like Ortiz, Green, and Glaus.

The DBacks are 50-55 now, so they obviously be a lot better than last year's squad that won 51 games, but they still need to get rid of a lot of dead wood on their team.

And I'm looking at you Shawn Green.

2005-07-30 14:46:44
169.   LAT
161 I am not Choi lover but Steve is right. There is no facet of the game where Jason Phillips is better than Hee Seop Choi. Given 10 minutes of practice behind the plate, I bet Choi could throw out more runners.
2005-07-30 14:46:49
170.   natepurcell
i dont think bradley has struck out since he came back.
2005-07-30 14:47:07
171.   Steve
Now, I'll be the first to admit that saying I want someone other than Jason Phillips to play first base is not saying much at all. One could say that of the witch's wing-ed monkeys, Eddie Gaedel, Billy Ashley, and very likely Scott Erickson. Where Choi slots in amongst the virtually billions of possibilities at first base that would be an improvement on Jason Phillips is for each man to decide individually.

Hee Seop Choi at first base is only the issue for some. It doesn't have to be. Why isn't Saenz playing first? Why isn't Kent playing first? Why isn't Perez playing first? How much defense does it take to play first? Virtually none. Our crappy pitching staff has complained about Choi only because they allow nothing but stinging line drives.

Just as I never understood why the pro-Tracy faction would hang their hat on Hideo Nomo, and the anti-DePo faction would hang their hat on Alex Cora, I do not understand why the anti-Choi faction would want to hang their hat on Jason Phillips. Jason Phillips is a backup catcher starting at first base when there are at least three better options available, one of which just happens to be Hee Seop Choi. If you don't want to be treated like you are ridiculous, stop saying ridiculous things.

2005-07-30 14:47:39
172.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 165


But if you "don't disagree" that "There is no facet of the game where Jason Phillips is better than Hee Seop Choi," then shouldn't Choi start?


2005-07-30 14:48:13
173.   Bob Timmermann
Bradley has struck out at least once.

Remember when he snapped the bat over his leg?

2005-07-30 14:49:13
174.   Benaiah
Nice we cut the lead to one and put in Carrera. Put in Schmoll, Broxton or even Sanchez, anyone but Gio!
2005-07-30 14:50:57
175.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
i dont think bradley has struck out since he came back.
3 Ks in 23 ABs.
2005-07-30 14:50:57
176.   natepurcell
ahhh yea i remember that bob. good times. well, okay, just one time then.
2005-07-30 14:51:28
177.   Benaiah
174 - Though I guess it does use a far less valuable reliever against the bottom of the order and saves the big (relative to Gio anyway) guns for later.
2005-07-30 14:51:55
178.   Bob Timmermann
Reggie Sanders has been in three World Series, not four. He never made it to the World Series with the Reds. He came up in 1991.
2005-07-30 14:52:00
179.   natepurcell
i dont think jbro will be coming in today. day after night game? i think tracy will save the "premium prospect" for national tv tomorrow.
2005-07-30 14:53:13
180.   Bob Timmermann
The Cubs have had a runner reach on a 2-base error, a single and a double and haven't scored yet in the 6th inning.
2005-07-30 14:54:15
181.   Bob Timmermann
A 1-out sacrifice? This must make Ozzie Guillen happy.
2005-07-30 14:54:56
182.   Benaiah
Why bunt with one out and the pitchers spot coming up? Going on past performance this year Luna has a 25% chance of getting a hit so you wasted on an out on a crapshoot that this is that one time in four.
2005-07-30 14:55:05
183.   alex 7
Carrara doesn't exactly ooze confidence. He zaps the energy out of the game.
2005-07-30 14:55:17
184.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
From the notes:

"The Dodgers have no immediate plans to promote Taiwanese left-hander Hong-Chih Kuo from Double-A, despite his current dominance.

Kuo has 26 strikeouts in 14 1/3 innings and a 1.26 ERA at Jacksonville. But he's also returning from two Tommy John elbow reconstructions and has fewer than 100 professional innings over the past five years. "


2005-07-30 14:57:00
185.   natepurcell
gio is such a gas can. he is the definition of gascan.
2005-07-30 14:57:25
186.   alex 7
that's embarrassing.
2005-07-30 14:57:55
188.   Bob Timmermann
Good thing the Cardinals bunted.
Kept that from being a grand slam.
2005-07-30 14:58:02
189.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Aw, krep.
2005-07-30 14:58:23
191.   stubbs
Choi may in fact be better than Phillips, which is hard to gauge cause of the unknown Phillips defense factor.

Tracy is making a point to Depodesta.

wow carrara is bad.

2005-07-30 14:58:30
192.   Benaiah
Unbelievable, that was the Grabowski principle to end all GP! That should end Carrera's career.
2005-07-30 15:04:59
193.   LAT
168. Bob, Green is ahead of Glaus in opb/slg/obp. Granted Glaus has more HR and RBIs but Green has higher avg. and Glaus is a marginal 3B. Why does Green incure the wrath of D'Back fans and Glaus gets a pass. Moreover, green's numbers are right in line with his career numbers, so what was anyone expecting.
2005-07-30 15:05:00
194.   Bob Timmermann
So a bad outing by Carrara and not starting Choi can kill this site I see.
2005-07-30 15:06:14
195.   Bob Timmermann

Don't ask me. I'm not a DBacks fan. Does Green have more years left on his contract than Glaus?

2005-07-30 15:06:39
196.   natepurcell
Tracy is making a point to Depodesta.

the point that he wants to get fired?

2005-07-30 15:06:44
197.   Benaiah
I don't understand how Tracy uses Gio in that situation. He is the absolute worst reliever left on the team, so why not go to either Alverez or Dessens for long relief. The fact that Eckstien hit a home run... wow.
2005-07-30 15:07:33
198.   LAT
Is it my computer or is Gio so bad he broke the DT server.
2005-07-30 15:07:43
199.   King of the Hobos
Carrarra begged for release waivers with that outing. A homer to Eckstein is just shameful
2005-07-30 15:08:17
200.   natepurcell
gascan broke it. he needs to get his DFA slip right after the game. call back osoria.
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2005-07-30 15:08:27
201.   King of the Hobos
198-While it may have been Carrarra, it's not your computer. I'm having the same problems
2005-07-30 15:08:38
202.   Bob Timmermann
So I wished over to checking out David Eckstein's fiancee's website.

She looks petite, so she must find Eckstein the perfect match. She has pictures of herself at Cardinals games and she was one of the "stars" in the 2004 Hollywood Stars Game at Dodger Stadium.

In Mark Langill's photo book on the LA Dodgers, he has a picture from a Hollywood Stars Game in 1960 and Danny Thomas and Edward G. Robinson were participating.

2005-07-30 15:09:29
203.   Bob Timmermann
I have no idea why I typed "wished" instead of "switched".
2005-07-30 15:09:48
204.   alex 7
fans remember HRs (Glaus). They don't remember walks or even doubles.
2005-07-30 15:09:50
205.   Benaiah
Over the course of his career Eckstien hits a homerun every 130 ABs, but it didn't take Gio long to bring out the best in him.
2005-07-30 15:10:41
206.   King of the Hobos
"we were told he [Navarro] had his first big league hit today"

Yeah, that's why he had a .333 average coming into the game

2005-07-30 15:11:37
207.   Ryan Jerz
202. I was at that game, and I have never heard of her still. Did she go deep off of Carrara?
2005-07-30 15:12:56
208.   Ryan Jerz
206. They were talking about Conor Jackson of the D'Backs.
2005-07-30 15:14:39
209.   bokonon42
125. stubbs
... Jason Phillips is not good, but Hee-Seop Choi is worse and [not] ready for a pennant race.
191. stubbs
Choi may in fact be better than Phillips...
2005-07-30 15:14:59
210.   Bob Timmermann
Ashley Drane is on the cover of the current issue of "I Do" magazine and shares her wedding plans, but you have to buy the issue to read them.

Or maybe I'll just make a dental appointment. It's the sort of magazine you can find sitting around a waiting room isn't it?

2005-07-30 15:15:31
211.   LAT
Alex I think you are right. That was even the case when he was here. In 2003 he hit something like 42 doubles but everyone wants to see the long ball.
2005-07-30 15:15:42
212.   natepurcell
stubbs just hates depo. choi is a depo guy. phillips is scrappy and has a lot of RBIs.


2005-07-30 15:15:46
213.   bokonon42
Isn't it beautiful when somebody finds Jesus?
2005-07-30 15:18:03
214.   coachjpark
Does DePo have what it takes to fire Jim Tracy?

Phillips at first? Bringing in Gio and giving up a homerun to Eckstein? Gio is the new Scott Erickson on the team. Time to bring up Kuo, fire Tracy so that we can have a lineup as follows


I'm very pro-Choi, but Tracy putting Phillips at 1B over Kent and Saenz is pretty baffling. DePo obviously traded away some talent in Mota and LoDuca partly on the assumption that Choi would get a fair shot at playing first base. Last year, it was hard to argue for Choi starting over Shawn Green, but this year? 13 HRs... second only to Kent on the team? I wonder if Tracy is too stubborn about his unwillingness to play Choi that that actually helps justify his not playing the South Korean.

2005-07-30 15:18:22
215.   Langhorne
My toaster broke. So I jammed a fork in it and I feel much better.
2005-07-30 15:18:33
216.   Steelyeri
Looks like with all the recent publicity the site has received lately, some of the forum crowd has dispersed over to DT.
2005-07-30 15:19:38
217.   LAT
Bob your dentist is going to think you made an appointment becasue you got his highly effective "time for your next appointment" card. When in fact you came in just to see Ashley Drane's wedding ideas. Now your dentist is going to spend more $$$ on marketing when all he really had to do was announce he gets "I Do" magazine.
2005-07-30 15:21:36
218.   bokonon42
216- I'm an idiot for sniping at stubbs personally, but I didn't come from I'm a DT homegrown idiot.
2005-07-30 15:22:09
219.   LAT
Glaus just hit a double (but no one will remember):)

IBB to Green to get to Connor Jackson. No one will remember that either.

2005-07-30 15:22:41
220.   GoBears
Bob, you may be right that that sort of magazine will be in the dentist's office, but not until it's a year or so old. So you'd have to postpone for a while.
2005-07-30 15:24:31
221.   Bob Timmermann
When I went to the dentist earlier in the year, it was my first trip in about 8 years.

My teeth, which I thought were impervious to decay, finally had a cavity in one of them. So I guess I'll try to make some time to go.

I will do a scouting expedition to see what kind of magazines he has.

2005-07-30 15:24:44
222.   LAT
Connor Jackson 2B. 3-2 Az
2005-07-30 15:28:47
223.   Linkmeister
Out of disgust with Carrara I went to the Drane website, clicked on the biography link, and learned that her management company's e-mail address is at AOL.

AOL? If I were an up-and-coming actor/actress, I think I'd be doubtful of a management firm which used AOL as its primary mail address.

2005-07-30 15:31:16
224.   Bob Timmermann
The management company probably has an AOL address so they can sort out the creepier emails that a young actress would get from their legitimate emails.
2005-07-30 15:32:32
225.   natepurcell
bull might be coming in.
2005-07-30 15:35:48
226.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
This kid's an ox!
2005-07-30 15:38:01
227.   bokonon42
Broxton is a Pujols specialist.
2005-07-30 15:38:15
228.   Ryan Jerz
El Toro is unreal
2005-07-30 15:38:34
229.   LAT
He must be the best pitcher in baseball cause he owns the best hitter in baseball
2005-07-30 15:39:22
230.   Johnson
The Ox makes Pujols look bad!

What's that 85 mph pitch he's throwing with the late downward bite? Nasty.

2005-07-30 15:39:35
231.   JSN
Geez that strike out was nasty. It hit 96 on the slow fox gun. Wouldn't be surprised if it was really 98-99
2005-07-30 15:39:56
232.   JSN
230 -Slider
2005-07-30 15:41:38
233.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
He puts the "ox" in "Broxton."
2005-07-30 15:42:07
234.   Johnson
Really? The other pitches they're calling sliders in the booth seemed to be coming up higher on the gun and have a more gradual break. I'll have to back up the TiVo.
2005-07-30 15:42:43
235.   JSN
He is going to be scary when the nerves have been worked out and he can hit his spots.
2005-07-30 15:43:51
236.   JSN
234 -I should have added "I think" to my post. The only other thing could be his change? but they said he doesn't use it out of the pen really. Let me know the results of the tivo when you get a chance.
2005-07-30 15:45:36
237.   natepurcell
that inning was almost dejavu of last nights innings.
2005-07-30 15:45:38
238.   JSN
Scouting report says his "sharp" slider is low to mid 80's, and a much slower curve.
2005-07-30 15:46:52
239.   natepurcell
his slider is absolute filth though. that first pitch slider to edmonds was wow.
2005-07-30 15:49:26
240.   Bob Timmermann
If La Russa manages every game like it's Game 7 of the World Series, why did he leave Marquis in for 130 pitches against San Diego earlier in the week?
2005-07-30 15:52:56
241.   Bob Timmermann
DBacks win 3-2.

They could move to within a game of San Diego tonight.

2005-07-30 15:55:14
242.   natepurcell
jaxsuns game is the game of the week on mlb.

better video quality than the regular feed.

2005-07-30 16:01:13
243.   natepurcell
cesar carillo, padres first round pick is pitching against the suns in his AA debut
2005-07-30 16:04:10
244.   Ryan Jerz
Suns unis are awesome.
2005-07-30 16:05:30
245.   natepurcell
bright orange.. hmm
2005-07-30 16:09:52
246.   Johnson
236 - JSN
OK, here's the results of going back on TiVo for Broxton.
#1 - 93 mph fastball down
#2 - 94 mph fastball in - pop up
#1 - 93 mph fastball outside
#2 - no register, fastball down
#3 - 94 mph, fastball swing
#4 - 93 mph fastball outside
#5 - 93 mph fastball up - BB
#1 - 85 mph ?? late bite
#2 - 94 mph fastball up and in
#3 - 85 mph ?? late bite
#4 - 96 mph fastball up, K
#1 - no register, slider, gradual break
#2 - 94 mph fastball in
#3 - 94 mph fastball up
#4 - 93 mph fastball down
#5 - 94 mph fastball up and away, BB
#1 - 93 mph fastball away
#2 - 83 mph ??, late bite, base hit
#1 - 87 mph ??, late bite, in dirt, swing
#2 - 84 mph ??, late bite
#3 - 96 mph fastball up and in
#4 - 85 mph ??
#5 - 96 mph fastball, K

The fastball that he throws up seem to have a bit of downward movement but the ones that he's throwing down look to be straight, I don't know if that's a 2-seam/4-seam thing or if it's just an illusion.

He only threw one pitch that was definitely a slider (#1 to Edmonds), and it didn't register on the gun. I'm far far from an expert, but I thought that the mystery pitch was a hard, tight curve on further look. Whatever it was, it was nasty.

2005-07-30 16:11:18
247.   Johnson
#238 JSN
Must be a slider, then. As others have said, filthy.
2005-07-30 16:13:22
248.   natepurcell
its his filthy slider. probably one of the best sliders ive seen from any of our pitchers this year.
2005-07-30 16:14:16
249.   natepurcell
funny thing is, his slider isnt even the best in our system. BA rated billingsleys slider as the best in our org.
2005-07-30 16:15:35
250.   Bob Timmermann
Giants can move to within a 1/2 game of the Dodgers with a win tonight in Milwaukee. They lead 1-0 in the first.
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2005-07-30 16:18:56
251.   natepurcell
laroche flies out to the wall in right field. man this kid is very unlucky in his home stadium.
2005-07-30 16:30:49
252.   Steve
Tracy is making a point to Depodesta.

That's an extraordinarily lame way of saying that "Jim Tracy is an idiot and shouldn't have brought in Carrara to save his life."

2005-07-30 16:36:46
253.   jpeace
Wow, the Fox announcers were noticeably terrible today. I was tempted to fix my radio and tune in to Charlie and Rick, but then Gio blew the game open.

Supposedly, Brox has a changeup also. Maybe he'll surprise someone with it this upcoming week.

2005-07-30 16:43:50
254.   Identity Crisis
Grand slam for Mobile =(
2005-07-30 16:45:25
255.   King of the Hobos
Juarez not on his game, gave up a grand slam to a team that seems to be batting a collective .200. Does have 6 Ks in 3 IP though
2005-07-30 16:47:56
256.   Identity Crisis
I guess the Dodgers loss took the wind out of the STC (Sun Thoughts Crew). Hmm...Blindside playing at the glasshouse...looks like I'm going to a show tonight =)
2005-07-30 16:52:48
257.   natepurcell
not really a fan of blindside. who all is on the bill?

carrillo doesnt look bad. hes pretty polished, not top rotation stuff, but a good pitcher to fall behind peavy.

2005-07-30 16:52:59
258.   fanerman
Choi is 3 for his last 4.
2005-07-30 16:53:55
259.   King of the Hobos
Juarez gives up another
2005-07-30 16:54:29
260.   King of the Hobos
Brewers just tied the game 1-1
2005-07-30 16:55:42
261.   natepurcell
wow laroche! great play!
2005-07-30 16:57:17
262.   natepurcell
almost made another. since his first couple of games where he committed 4 errors, he has looked excellent ever since.
2005-07-30 16:59:19
263.   Identity Crisis
I do not know the other two bands on the bill. Snowbread and Showdown ::shrugs::. I'm guessing those other two bands are Christian bands as well.

LaRoche looks solid defensively.

2005-07-30 17:00:00
264.   Identity Crisis
I love listening to the announcers between innings....
2005-07-30 17:00:09
265.   natepurcell
blindside still calls themselves a christian band? wow news to me.
2005-07-30 17:02:45
266.   Identity Crisis
I literally haven't checked up on this band til today. I just bought some tickets. I only assumed they are still considered a Christian band. If something changed since their last album (About a Burning Fire) then I would have missed it.
2005-07-30 17:07:09
267.   natepurcell
i think laroche really hates jax's home stadium.
2005-07-30 17:12:19
268.   jpeace
Here is the article stubbs was talking about. It was a positive aricle about Choi's improvement with the glove.

It's too bad that whenever he improves, he gets benched.

2005-07-30 17:17:36
269.   natepurcell
these announcer like making missile sounds with thier mouths.
2005-07-30 17:19:54
270.   Identity Crisis
Martin just got a hit....second hit for the Suns tonight.
2005-07-30 17:21:29
271.   natepurcell
crap, carrillo just hit guzman on the fingers...
2005-07-30 17:22:24
272.   Identity Crisis
JtD just got hit by a pitch. The pitch hit him on his fingers but it looks like he is ok.
2005-07-30 17:25:55
273.   b1ued0dger
Donovan with 2-run RBI single.
2005-07-30 17:26:10
274.   Identity Crisis
woo-hoo. 2 run single by Donovan scores Martin and Guzman. Mobile 5 Jax 2
2005-07-30 17:29:10
275.   King of the Hobos
Denker's in the line up for Vero Beach. I wonder why Abreu's not playing, he didn't play yesterday and it's not that far to travel between Vero and Jacksonville. Trade?

Also, Will Carroll's Rumor Mill says there are talks for a Marquis/Giles swap. I saw the rumor before but put nothing into it, still don't, but you never know. If it were true, the Padres sure want to cripple their offense.

2005-07-30 17:29:44
276.   b1ued0dger
Steve Baker (the guy who hit the GS) just made a great diving catch to rob Jon Weber of a extra base hit.
2005-07-30 17:29:49
277.   Steve
268 -- What is it about the Daily News and out-and-out untruth? It's one thing to have stupid opinions, like the Plaschkers. It's another thing to be like Dilbeck and objectively misrepresent the Dodgers' minor league system, or Tony Jackson in that article (which I missed), who is completely lying about those Cardinal games in May. The Cardinals were pounding the ball against our lame, contempuous pitching staff, and there was only really one ball that Choi could have gotten, and even that one was a 50/50 proposition.

This pitching staff is one of the worst in the majors, and should not be casting stones. When the anti-DePo people finally pick up on the former fact, they might actually start to make a little bit of sense. Until then, they'll hitch the crazy wagon to Jason Phillips.

2005-07-30 17:30:33
278.   Identity Crisis
I was just wondering about Abreu. I'm surprised he wasn't in the starting line up.

I wish Weber was younger....

2005-07-30 17:31:15
279.   natepurcell
why on earth would the padres do a marquis for giles swap? giles is their best hitter!
2005-07-30 17:32:29
280.   b1ued0dger
Although Weber is already 27 he's only been playing proffesionally(sp?) 3 years.
2005-07-30 17:46:21
281.   Identity Crisis
LaRoche just struck out....
2005-07-30 17:47:17
282.   fanerman
I wonder if Giles not being with the pads for the rest of the season helps our chances of signing him for a short deal in the off-season.
2005-07-30 17:50:05
283.   natepurcell
laroche doesnt like carrillo.
2005-07-30 17:51:20
284.   King of the Hobos
Brewers up 4-1 over the Giants, and still threeatening. Schmidt looked better than Sheets but has fallen apart in the 6th
2005-07-30 17:56:28
285.   Identity Crisis
The Fat Old Men
2005-07-30 18:00:34
286.   King of the Hobos
Guzman doubles
2005-07-30 18:01:36
287.   natepurcell
that was a very squiby double. i hope his hand is alright from being HBP earlier.
2005-07-30 18:16:48
288.   King of the Hobos
Denker started his Vero career in the Denker way--a walk
2005-07-30 18:31:50
289.   natepurcell
hahah the announcers are talking about the plate ump behind his back.

"he is just awful"
"wow what a lousy ump"

2005-07-30 18:40:44
290.   natepurcell
those are some ugly girls on camera.
2005-07-30 18:42:30
291.   King of the Hobos
Abreu has a hamstring problem apparently
2005-07-30 18:44:28
292.   King of the Hobos
If Langill goes to play for team Canada, Apodoca can play for Jacksonville. He's halfway from being a member of every Dodger farm team this year
2005-07-30 18:57:25
293.   King of the Hobos
Miller's given up a run in an inning for Vero.
2005-07-30 18:59:49
294.   King of the Hobos
Kengshill Pujols, Apodaca's backup at Ogden, just hit a grand slam. He was an impressive .107/.138/.107 before the hit
2005-07-30 19:05:19
295.   DaveP
any minor leaguers pulled from games today that would give a hint towards trades in the works?
2005-07-30 19:10:25
296.   DaveP
Mariners just sent Randy Winn to the Giants. Didn't catch who the Mariners got in return - they announced it on ESPN just now.
2005-07-30 19:10:28
297.   King of the Hobos
No. Tony Abreu didn't play, but the announcers insisted it was a hamstring problem. I'll believe them for now. Can't say about pitchers. Eric Stults is starting, and he's the best bet for an emergency start. So either a starter won't be traded, or most likely, we won't need a minor league starter to replace anyone traded
2005-07-30 19:11:22
298.   natepurcell
giants make a trade. foppert and torrealba for randy winn.
2005-07-30 19:12:38
299.   King of the Hobos
Randy Winn was rumored earlier. Prospects are Yorvit Torrealba and Jesse Foppert. In other words, the Gianst are giving away a top pitcher and their best young catcher. When Matheny is injured during his current contract, they'll have problems
2005-07-30 19:24:23
300.   LAT
They have been waiting on Torrealba for two years. They gave him lots of opportunity when they knew they were not going to resign Benito and he just has not developed. I have a frien who is a huge Giant fan and he will be pissed they are giving away Foppert after dumping Jerome Williams and thier 1 pitching prospect. Can't imagine why they seem to think they are contenders this year. Oh well just keep making those stupit trades Brian. Letroy is working out great. . .not.
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2005-07-30 19:28:44
301.   King of the Hobos
I'm still waiting for Sabean's final deal, has to be something along the lines of Matt Cain for Joe Mays. Sabean contiues his neverending quest to get rid of every single prospect the Giants might have, or could have had (with his "ingenius" FA signings to give away his picks)
2005-07-30 19:30:16
302.   LAT
I do not think Choi is the whole answer and I think JT's problem with Choi is that he is too inconsistant. What I don't get is this. We all see Choi is hitting the ball at this moment. So let's ride the wave. Play the kid while he is hitting and sit him when he cools off. I like Tracy (although he is making it more difficult these days) but this is painfully obvious.

BTW, tomorrow he should definitly not play Phillips. Phillips has never had two good games in a row. After today he is sure to go 0fer tomorrow.

2005-07-30 19:31:49
303.   King of the Hobos
Delwyn Young singled to begin his Vegas career, followed by a Valentin double.
2005-07-30 19:50:44
304.   Eric L

It seems as if Torrealba's offense is more developed than the stiff they signed for a ton of money. I don't know much about Torrealba's defense, but his worst OPS+ (last year) was 79. Matheny's best OPS+ is 80.

2005-07-30 20:01:00
305.   LAT
Tomorrow is going to be a lot of fun; rumors, chatter, meaningless talking heads, and an occasional actual trade. One of the best baseball days of the year.
2005-07-30 20:17:45
306.   LAT
Right on cue. My buddy who is the Giant fan just called yelling against the proposed deal. His point, what do you do with Winn next year when Barry is back cause you aren't sitting Bonds or Alou. He says the Giants are also trying to move Scott Eyre, their only dependable reliever.
2005-07-30 20:44:06
307.   King of the Hobos
They're shopping Eyre? Unless they get Clemens for Eyre straight up, that has little chance to be a good move.
2005-07-30 20:49:44
308.   LAT
Quantrall comes in for Pedro. It an all Dodger alumni pitching affair.

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