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Remaining 2005 Interdivision Opponents
2005-08-04 14:10
by Jon Weisman

Today's Game

* * *

The Dodgers have a slight scheduling advantage outside the division for the remainder of the season (beginning Friday).

PadresDiamondbacksDodgersGiantsOpponent Winning Pct.
3 at Cardinals3 at Cardinals.636
3 at Braves3 at Braves3 at Braves3 at Braves.574
3 vs. Astros3 vs. Astros3 vs. Astros.551
3 at Nationals3 at Nationals.533
3 vs. Nationals.533
3 vs. Phillies3 vs. Phillies3 vs. Phillies3 vs. Phillies.523
3 at Marlins3 at Marlins4 at Marlins3 at Marlins.514
3 vs. Mets4 vs. Mets3 vs. Mets3 vs. Mets.500
3 at Cubs4 vs. Cubs.500
4 at Brewers.495
3 vs. Brewers.495
3 at Reds4 at Reds.449
3 at Pirates3 at Pirates.422
4 vs. Pirates.422
12/.52710/.49213/.49313/.517Home games/Opp. pct.
13/.52615/.51913/.50316/.535Away games/Opp. pct.
25/.52725/.50826/.49829/.527Total games/Opp. pct.

Comments (219)
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2005-08-04 14:17:23
1.   Brendan
I think the team that handles Colorado the best in the month of Sept will with the division.
2005-08-04 14:17:48
2.   Brendan
win it not with it
2005-08-04 14:19:12
3.   molokai
John Patterson is the best pitcher in baseball with 4 wins. He will dominate tonight but will probably not win.
2005-08-04 14:23:41
4.   King of the Hobos
Closser just hit it out, 3-1 Rockies. If the Giants can't handle a team with Garrett Atkins batting cleanup and Juan Acevedo pitching, they don't have a chance with many of those teams that Jon mentioned

Mohr leads today's Rockies lineup in homers (10) and career homers (39)

2005-08-04 14:25:36
5.   King of the Hobos
Patterson has 12 no decisions, he's getting close to where Perez was a few years ago...
2005-08-04 14:27:27
6.   Humma Kavula
At this point, I like the D-Backs chances to be the Token West Team That Gets Thrashed By the Cardinals.

Still... 7 against the Pirates.... them's good eatin'.

2005-08-04 14:27:32
7.   GoBears
5 just last year, King.
2005-08-04 14:29:55
8.   Humma Kavula
Oh wait... it won't be the Cardinals -- it'll be the East champion. Braves?
2005-08-04 14:30:37
9.   bigcpa
Somehow I get the feeling Choi gets the start today against the hottest pitcher in the majors not named Clemens.
2005-08-04 14:36:27
10.   Jon Weisman
9 - Chris Carpenter?
2005-08-04 14:38:15
11.   alex 7
good call big. would add spice to the "tracy doesn't like him" theory. Choi would still have his typical 1-3 with a walk day though, but he'll strikeout and that's what Tracy will remember.
2005-08-04 14:42:36
12.   King of the Hobos
Shealy just singled Bigbie in, 4-1 Rockies
2005-08-04 14:45:24
13.   jasonungar05
did u guys see this? wow.


PANAMA CITY, Fla. -- A man who got angry with his wife because she wanted to cuddle after sex when what he really wanted to do was watch sports on television was sentenced to death for killing her with a claw hammer.

Christopher Offord, 30, was sentenced Wednesday by Circuit Judge Dedee Costello, who said the brutality of the crime outweighed any mental problems Offord may have had.

"The defendant struck his wife approximately 70 individual blows after spending a happy interlude with her," the judge said. "Her desire to cuddle after sex does not justify the extremely violent, brutal response of the defendant."

Offord pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the 2004 slaying of Dana Noser, 40, at his apartment.

He confessed to a bartender at a sports bar before his arrest. He told investigators that his wife had been nagging him to come back to bed.

Offord did not speak in court but said in a jailhouse interview in June: "I figured I killed her so I deserve to die."

2005-08-04 14:51:35
14.   Sam DC
Um, I came over to post that the Giants have the bases loaded with 1 out in the bottom of the eighth. And I guess I'll do so even though, suddenly, it feels very wrong . . .
2005-08-04 14:52:30
15.   Nagman
Isn't the judge stating the obvious?
2005-08-04 14:52:31
16.   Nagman
Isn't the judge stating the obvious?
2005-08-04 14:52:54
17.   dzzrtRatt
RE: 9
I'm trying to figure out Jim Tracy's psychology. The team is losing. Lee Mazzili just got fired, so manager-firing is in the air. Yet, as the Baseball Prospectus article pointed out, Tracy is so set against playing Choi, he's been running out a lineup featuring two light-hitting catchers.

He's got to know this will cost him his job, perhaps in a matter of days. Does he not care? Or will he wake up today or tomorrow and realize the immensity of his blunder and try to correct it?

Tracy getting fired before the season's over is a worst-case scenario for him if he intends to manage in the majors again. What GM is going to hire a guy who openly flouted his boss in LA at the expense of team victories?

2005-08-04 14:55:16
18.   Sam DC
Giants tied it up. Still only 1 out.
2005-08-04 14:55:17
19.   King of the Hobos
14 If Miceli could field, they'd be out of the inning. A ball off his glove for one single, next batter hit it off his foot, and he looked everywhere in the park before he found it...right next to him

4-4 tie, still only one out

2005-08-04 14:57:19
20.   bigcpa
K/BB July
Johnson 50/9
Patterson 48/10
Prior 40/14
Burnett 39/16
Lackey 39/6
Sheets 39/5

Unit had 7 starts, the others had 6. So Patterson avg'd 8k/1bb over 6 starts. Off you go Hee Seop, grab a stick.

2005-08-04 14:58:19
21.   King of the Hobos
Mohr couldn't catch up to a ball over his head, 6-4 Giants
2005-08-04 15:03:16
22.   bigcpa

Great shredding of Rick Monday "the bag-eyed ghoul" by Matt Welch.

2005-08-04 15:04:34
23.   King of the Hobos

Article on Brent Leach, who is looking like one of White's better picks this year. His 2.98 ERA is second in the Pioneer league, in a park that is very much a hitter's park. His 46 Ks are also second in the league. He is a "crafty" lefty, so he may or may not have continued success. For some reason really like Ogden

2005-08-04 15:07:35
24.   GoBears
17 I'll be SHOCKED if Tracy gets fired before the end of the season. Shocked, I tell you.
2005-08-04 15:12:13
25.   coachbean
[13] that would be a great story for a round of Germany or Florida on Love Line...
2005-08-04 15:12:22
26.   King of the Hobos
Walker ran into some trouble, but holds on for the save. Giants win
2005-08-04 15:16:57
27.   dzzrtRatt
24 Why? What do McCourt or DePodesta owe Tracy? Tracy's got the injury alibi to explain his record before the All-Star break, but the Dodgers' inability to take advantage of the Padres' self-immolation is Tracy's fault pure and simple. The media storm Tracy's firing would cause would be brief and insubstantial.

I think he's fired by Monday unless he plays Choi and the Dodgers win out thru Sunday. This prediction might be idiotic, but I'm sticking to it.

2005-08-04 15:17:45
28.   Vishal

oh man, it would be perfect.

2005-08-04 15:25:20
29.   Improbable88
Yeah, this whole outright Choi benching is pretty maddening. His number aren't to bad without considering his playing time. What kinda production would we be getting from him if he played everyday against righties? Somewhere in the 20/60 range i think. Tracy is a jackass.
2005-08-04 15:26:48
30.   bigcpa
Lineups are pretty late. Maybe Tracy's getting fired right now.
2005-08-04 15:27:08
31.   dzzrtRatt
The BP story cited earlier today woke me up. It's not just this sewing circle that thinks Tracy's lost his mind re: Choi.
2005-08-04 15:28:08
32.   King of the Hobos
Maybe Tracy had Phillips in the lineup then realized he's hurt, so he's trying to decide who he wants at first--Mike Edwards or Jeff Weaver
2005-08-04 15:31:11
33.   bigcpa
Ratt- can you pass me that pin cushion please?
2005-08-04 15:32:29
34.   Xeifrank
Jim Tracy's wet dream would be to have Phillips, Navarro and Mike Rose all in the same starting lineup together. Now that would be scrappy! vr, Xei
2005-08-04 15:33:27
35.   dzzrtRatt
Sure. By Sunday, it will be Patron, and we'll be toasting the new post-Tracy era.
2005-08-04 15:33:45
36.   King of the Hobos
Kent at first today. At least Perez is playing
2005-08-04 15:35:33
37.   Vishal
isn't jim tracy the pincushion around here?


so many light-hitting catchers, so few spots in the lineup.

2005-08-04 15:36:35
38.   King of the Hobos
No Guillen today. Also, Bennett is getting the start again today. Schneider isn't Piazza, but he's better than Bennett (.114 higher OPS) and has a great arm
2005-08-04 15:37:10
39.   Improbable88
Jesus! Choi is still not in the line-up?
2005-08-04 15:39:39
40.   Jon Weisman
Short little new post above. A diversion. You can continue commenting here on the game.
2005-08-04 15:40:02
41.   Xeifrank
Post the lineup please.
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 15:40:03
42.   franklin
Mccourt will wait to hire a new manager at the end of season and ask Tracy to interview for the job.
2005-08-04 15:40:41
43.   King of the Hobos
34 Good news about Rose. With Navarro playing catcher at Vegas, he started playing LF routinely at one point. We can play our light hitting emergency catcher in right (Edwards) and recall our other emergency catcher for third (Grabowski). Repko, Robles, and Izzy would round off Tracy's dream--an all light hitting team
2005-08-04 15:41:04
44.   bigcpa
Looks like Perez is 13-27 (.481/.500/.741) in his last 7 starts with 3 sb's.
2005-08-04 15:41:10
45.   Improbable88
Don't me wrong's good to see Perez's bat in the line-up after the one run debacle last nite.
2005-08-04 15:42:24
46.   King of the Hobos
SS Izzy
3B Robles
CF Bradley
1B Kent
RF Ledee
2B Perez
LF Valentin
C Navarro
P Penny


CF Wilkerson
2B Vidro
1B Johnson
LF Wilson
RF Church
3B Castilla
C Bennett
SS Guzman
P Patterson

2005-08-04 15:42:50
47.   ddger
Alvarez just said that he is retiring after the season.

Is this good news now that he is going to continue pitching as our LOOGY?

2005-08-04 15:43:23
48.   GoBears
24 Geez, Ratt, I certainly hope you're right and I'm wrong, but I just think DePo wants to change managers at this point. I agree that he's pretty guarded in public, but in his BP radio interview the other day, he actually praised Tracy for keeping the team in it, despite the injuries. He may have been blowing smoke, saying something nice just to say something, but I kinda doubt he'd turn around and can JT a week after saying that. It's not like Tracy is doing anything differently over the last week. Just more of the same. If he was going to be fired during the season, I'd have thought it would have happened at the Break. Naw, I think best case scenario is that JT is let go after the season is over.
2005-08-04 15:44:51
49.   ddger
What is Tracy's reasoning behind having Robles bat 2nd behind Izzy instead of 1st?

Probably same reason why Phillips was starting ahead of Choi?

2005-08-04 15:45:53
50.   GoBears
48. Oops, meant to say "I just DON'T think DePo wants to change managers at this point."
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2005-08-04 15:46:27
51.   Mark Linsey
The thinking is probably that the leadoff spot is Izzy's to lose. And that it takes a two month slump and an injury for him to lose it.
2005-08-04 15:46:38
52.   coachbean
Why is everyone so surprised that Choi is not in the lineup he struck out in the unclutchiest of ways yesterday.... DUH!
2005-08-04 15:47:25
53.   Improbable88
49 I think it has something to do with Izzy being faster than Robles, and Robles being a better contact hitter...trying to capitalize on the hit and run in these thin times.
2005-08-04 15:48:10
54.   Telemachos
48- Just finished listening to Tracy's weekly show on AM 1540 (with Fred Roggin), and he claims that he isn't planning on using Alvarez as a LOOGY; instead, he'll be a long-relief guy so he can ease back into things (sharing this role with Dessens).
2005-08-04 15:49:17
55.   Jacob L
That lineup, while still lacking Choi and having Izturis seven spot too high, is a sizable improvement. Perez is back, as mentioned. Tracy also seems to have found a Ricky Ledee laying around somewhere. Hey, lookee here, a major league outfielder. Does anybody see a reason why, until Drew returns, Ledee shouldn't play every day?
2005-08-04 15:49:32
56.   Improbable88
Off to watch the game, I look forward to joyous and exuberant victory comments when I log back on.
2005-08-04 15:49:58
57.   GoBears
52. I'm not the least bit surprised. I'd be surprised if Choi WERE to start. Tracy has been very consistent since Bradley came back: Choi is the #2 LH pinch hitter, behind Ledee. IOW, he's the 25th player on the team.
2005-08-04 15:50:59
58.   ddger
54 Great, now we have 3 long relief guys (Dessens, Alvarez, Carrara).

Hope we don't have any more close games.

What are going to do with all these extra relievers?

2005-08-04 15:51:16
59.   Telemachos
So Choi has become the New Grabowski.
2005-08-04 15:52:15
60.   Telemachos
58- In the same interview, Tracy mentioned Carrara as a short-relief guy (in the same breath as Duaner, Broxton, Brazoban, etc). Go figure.
2005-08-04 15:53:11
61.   King of the Hobos
55 At first, Ledee was suppose to be too fragile to play every day, and theplan was to ease him back. By now, I think Tracy just likes Repko too much

54"(sharing this role with Dessens)"

Why not with Carrara? Dessens should be used in late situations when Tracy wants Carrara

2005-08-04 15:54:22
62.   ddger
60 What did Carrara do to deserve a short relief?

Oh, I forgot he ONLY gave up 1 run in his last outing. I guess we have to live with that kind of production.

2005-08-04 15:54:41
63.   bigcpa
NL Leaders - HR/500 AB
1 Adam Dunn 44.8
2 Tony Clark 41.1
3 Andruw Jones 40.7
4 Derrek Lee 40.5
5 Morgan Ensberg 37.3
6 Albert Pujols 35.7
7 Reggie Sanders 35.6
8 Aramis Ramirez 34.7
9 Cliff Floyd 34.3
10 Carlos Lee 32.3
11 Jim Edmonds 32.3
12 Wily Mo Pena 31.3
13 Ken Griffey Jr. 30.8
14 J.D. Drew 29.8
15 Carlos Delgado 29.2
16 Pat Burrell 28.6
17 Miguel Cabrera 28.4
18 Hee-Seop Choi 28.3
19 Troy Glaus 28.2
20 Preston Wilson 27.3
2005-08-04 15:56:34
64.   Jacob L
59, no. Grabowski, when he was on the team, was the first pinch hitter off the bench. How many times, over the last 2 years, have we heard Vin say, "Grabowski, leading the Dodgers in pinch hit appearances . . . " and then thought, gee, shouldn't the guy getting the most cracks be good at pinch hitting.

I think the idea is that the really good hitters/pinch hitters should be saved for some really, really clutch situation that almost never happens. That's why Perez, Ledee and Choi are always there ready to grab a bat.

2005-08-04 15:57:32
65.   coachbean
[59] Grabowski actually got to play regardless of his poor performance, Choi does not play despite perfoming well... toatlly different.
2005-08-04 15:58:21
66.   ddger
63 I don't think Tracy likes HRs. He'd rather BUNT, hit&run, and steal to score instead.

The only problem is we don't have much speed, we can't bunt, and we can't hit&run.

2005-08-04 15:58:46
67.   kent
Betcha JT is still the Dodger skipper on opening day 2006.
2005-08-04 16:01:05
68.   Jacob L
63, geez, Tony Clark is having a good year. Among former Tiger firtbaseman, I thought he was more done than Cecil Fielder.
2005-08-04 16:02:44
69.   Brendan
27 48

If Ratt predicts Tracy is gone then Tracy is gone. I'll never doubt one of his predictions again.Just wait and see.

2005-08-04 16:03:34
70.   Telemachos
64, 65- That makes HSC's fate even more sad.
2005-08-04 16:05:25
71.   Steve
Somebody please tell me that the news on Phillips got miraculously worse overnight, and that he will be out two months.
2005-08-04 16:06:17
72.   Brendan
The Mazilli firing might provide the test case to fire Jim Tracy. somewhat similar seasons in that a lot of injuries have started the decline although the O's had a sustained good start to the season.
2005-08-04 16:06:35
73.   Jacob L
The Angels are about to relinquish their hold on first place.
2005-08-04 16:06:41
74.   kent
71- you must have forgotten Ross & Mayne
2005-08-04 16:06:58
75.   kent
71- you must have forgotten Ross & Mayne
2005-08-04 16:07:30
76.   Uncle Miltie
People here must be upset. Izturis got a hit and Robles struck out on 3 pitches :(
2005-08-04 16:09:25
77.   Vishal

even with the loss, they still have a 1-game lead on the A's. not for long, though :)

2005-08-04 16:09:30
78.   Uncle Miltie
Cesar steal? :)
2005-08-04 16:09:50
79.   Steve
Ross and Mayne are going to play first now! GOD! NO! STOP THE TORTURE!
2005-08-04 16:09:59
80.   Brendan

Reamain hopeful.

With the dodger training staff/misinformation squad, he will be in a iron lung by tomorrow.

Contusion + "a few days" = Iron Lung

2005-08-04 16:11:01
81.   Jacob L
O.K., not only did I prematurely knock the Angels out of first, they still might win today.
2005-08-04 16:11:58
82.   ddger
Now that Bradley has hit into DP, Tracy will justify his bunting more in the future.
2005-08-04 16:12:48
83.   Jacob L
Now that Bradley hit into the DP, Tracy will justify having Cesar steal (get caught) more.
2005-08-04 16:14:36
84.   King of the Hobos
Why is "drilled to center field and deep" a fly ball that bradley easily caught?
2005-08-04 16:15:44
85.   Marty
Has anyone checked out ?

Pretty good stuff.

2005-08-04 16:16:23
86.   Marty
84. Let me guess. ummm...Steiner?
2005-08-04 16:16:34
87.   Xeifrank
There goes Penny's no-hitter!
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:17:40
88.   King of the Hobos
Joel Guzman has sat out 2 straight days now. If I remember the game broadcasted last week correctly, he was hurt. Is it a lingering injury? Anybody know?
2005-08-04 16:18:22
89.   King of the Hobos
86 Who else?
2005-08-04 16:18:39
90.   coachjpark
No Way JT is back next year. Absofrickinlutely not. DePo knows better.
2005-08-04 16:20:19
91.   King of the Hobos
This sure hasn't started well. Scoring off Patterson here probably won't be too fun...
2005-08-04 16:22:01
92.   Xeifrank
Penny has setup a possible 1-2-3 double play. Smart thinking. :) vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:22:59
93.   Xeifrank
92. or 6-4-3.
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:23:05
94.   bokonon42
Darth Offerman is the clutchest fielder of all time. Or does clutchiness only work while batting?
2005-08-04 16:23:11
95.   Uncle Miltie
Cesar's Palace...Hail Cesar
Robles wouldn't have gotten to that ball
2005-08-04 16:23:27
96.   Xeifrank
3 hits and nothing to show for it. Typical National offense, wouldn't you say! vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:24:23
97.   King of the Hobos
Erickson starting for the 51s. I'm sure we're all rooting for him to do well today...
2005-08-04 16:24:26
98.   fanerman
I didn't see this post. So I'm cutting and pasting what I said in the last post.

The only way Choi starts is:
Saenz gets injured.
A. Perez gets injured (forces Kent at 2B).
Right-handed pitcher (Tracy will find a way to put Kent at 1st if he can).
No weird arm angles.

Am I missing anything?

BTW, it seems like Perez and Choi's interests conflict. It looks like Tracy will only start Perez at 2B, meaning Kent has to play 1B. Meaning one more person on top of Choi on the depth chart.

2005-08-04 16:25:46
99.   alex 7
Robinson should have bunted there to stay out of the DP.
2005-08-04 16:26:05
100.   Xeifrank
98. Phillips has to remain injured too. I'm not sure who else could play 1B. Edwards? Tracy likes to play backup catchers at 1B you know! vr, Xei
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2005-08-04 16:26:48
101.   Xeifrank
99. I was thinking the same way, that way you'd have two runners at third and one at second and stay out of the DP! :)
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:30:58
102.   alex 7
funny to see the once-a-week kid have the highest b.a. in the lineup and in the 6-hole. Only on the Dodgers does a guy go from backup to 6-hole.
2005-08-04 16:31:08
103.   fanerman
Oh yeah, Phillips will probably be back soon. I just wished he would stay injured for awhile. Long enough for Choi to I don't know, hit a home run in every at-bat he gets so he MIGHT have a chance to stay in the line-up.
2005-08-04 16:31:43
104.   King of the Hobos
Beautiful job by Steiner on "strike 3"
2005-08-04 16:31:54
105.   fanerman
And backup catcher to starting first baseman. The very concept of that is absurd.
2005-08-04 16:32:59
106.   bigcpa
Antonio now 14-28 with 3 2b, 1 HR, 4 SB in his 8 starts over the last month.
2005-08-04 16:33:58
107.   alex 7
I know this is old, but man, a lineup that starts


looks sooooooo much better than what we run out there.

2005-08-04 16:34:08
108.   Marty
Looking only at batting avg. the bottom third of our order has got to give the Nats pitcher the willies.
2005-08-04 16:35:05
109.   Jim Hitchcock
Great news, Steve! Jason Phillips will be at Paul's Big Screens next week to sign autographs!
2005-08-04 16:35:15
110.   coachjpark
Perez proves why he should be starting every day....
2005-08-04 16:36:00
111.   Uncle Miltie
Perez at SS? That would be ugly.

Perez needs to teach Izzy how to steal a base.

2005-08-04 16:37:19
112.   King of the Hobos
111 Perez played nothing but short for the most part last year in Vegas
2005-08-04 16:37:26
113.   fanerman
I'd put him at 3B (I'm guessing that's what alex 7 had in mind).
2005-08-04 16:38:11
114.   coachjpark
If Antonio Perez and Jeff Kent, and Saenz get hurt, our lineup would be



2005-08-04 16:39:10
115.   fanerman
AHHH! Posting injustices like that makes Baby Jesus cry.
2005-08-04 16:39:15
116.   King of the Hobos
Anyone agree with Lyons that "left field is the hardest outfield position to play" ?
2005-08-04 16:40:31
117.   dzzrtRatt
What Jim Tracy Must Be Thinking, Part 1

"If I put Kent at first and Perez at second, then I won't hear a peep about Choi. Perez, now he's one of DePodesta's boys, too, so that should keep the boss off my keister. I can't play them both. At least Perez didn't take Paulie's locker. (sniff)"

2005-08-04 16:40:55
118.   fanerman
Why certainly. You have to cover more ground than a CF. And make longer throws to 3B than an RF. And... no wait. You don't.
2005-08-04 16:42:44
119.   Jacob L
So I take it Penny looked better in the second than he did in the first?
2005-08-04 16:44:01
120.   kegtron
When was the last time a Dodger starting pitcher struck out the side?
2005-08-04 16:44:38
121.   coachjpark
Again, here's a logical lineup to belabor the point once again:

1 - Antonio Perez 3B
2 - Hee Seop Choi 1B
3 - Milton Bradley CF
4 - Jeff Kent 2B
5 - Ricky Ledee LF
6 - Jose Valentin RF
7 - Dioner Navarro C
8 - Cesar Izturis SS

vs. lefties

1 - Antonio Perez 3B
2 - Cesar Izturis SS
3 - Milton Bradley CF
4 - Jeff Kent 2B
5 - Olmedo Saenz 1B
6 - Ricky Ledee LF
7 - Dioner Navarro C
8 - Jason Repko RF

As much as I'd still have Hee Seop batting against lefties, I see the value in putting Old Maid out there against lefties. Also, I realize that Perez is somewhat of a defensive liability, so that's why you have Robles and Edwards on the bench. Also, Repko plays that Defensive replacement in later innings. Tracy's logic has Repko starting and then PINCH-HITS for him when we need runs. He has this absurd mind-set of starting the defensive replacement and then hoping for offense in the later innings. Now, tell me... are these two lineups not doable????

2005-08-04 16:44:39
122.   Uncle Miltie
Steiner is telling old Yankee stories, while Lyons is talking about changing his underwear.
2005-08-04 16:45:24
123.   King of the Hobos
119 He didn't look bad in the first. There were 2 rollers up the middle and a soft line drive. Izzy just missed the second grounder. It was more bad luck than looking bad
2005-08-04 16:47:43
124.   King of the Hobos
122 That's what Vin would do, I'm sure. No doubt
2005-08-04 16:51:52
125.   King of the Hobos
Wilkerson has the worst home batting average? I have the perfect solution, make Dodger Stadium his home stadium
2005-08-04 16:54:48
126.   JJoeScott
116 Kal Daniels says he agrees with Lyons.

121 I've seen A. Perez play enough games at 3B to agree with Tracy: He's just not a third baseman.

2005-08-04 16:56:23
127.   King of the Hobos
Penny and Patterson are having a K contest. So far it's tied 5-5
2005-08-04 16:57:08
128.   Xeifrank
116. Defensive spectrum has LF rated as the easiest outfield position to play, and 2nd only to 1B for both IF and OF. vr, Xei
2005-08-04 16:57:19
129.   rageon
126 I've seen Robles and Izturis weakly ground out enough times to stop caring about defense.
2005-08-04 16:58:08
130.   Jon Weisman
102 - The Red Sox recalled Roberto Petagine from the minors and batted him cleanup.

105 - Phillips went from starting catcher to first base.

2005-08-04 16:59:44
131.   fanerman
Oops, you're right. Phillips started 1st base as soon as Navarro got called up. Humbug.
2005-08-04 17:02:11
132.   bokonon42
128 I know what you mean, but does that measure the difficulty of fielding each position, or just the importance of the the defence played there?
2005-08-04 17:03:17
133.   alex 7
according to gameday, Patterson is a low zone corner machine. Haven't seen anything near the middle of the plate yet today. Low pitch count too. Might need a walk and a long ball to win this game.
2005-08-04 17:03:23
134.   Xeifrank
Great pitching duel, or lack of hitting duel? Or a typical TracyFest?
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:03:32
135.   Jacob L
Left field is hard because, if that's where they put you, you're probably bad at fielding.

Dmitri Young
Gary Sheffield
Terry Puhl
Greg Luzinski
Chuck Knoblauch

2005-08-04 17:05:17
136.   Xeifrank
135. Yeah there's been some sloppy people out in LF. I always enjoyed watching Brian Downing crash into walls when he played a few years of LF for the Cal Angels. vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:05:49
137.   Marty
135 Don't forget Manny Ramirez
2005-08-04 17:06:44
138.   coachjpark
Bunt with your No. 3 hitter? Baseball logic says no. Lyle Overbay said yes.

Trailing 9-8 in the ninth inning Thursday, Milwaukee manager Ned Yost considered his options. The Brewers were rallying with runners at first and second and none out against the New York Mets. Overbay, who singled home the go-ahead runs the night before and had singled home two runs earlier in this one, was coming up.

``As much as I wanted to bunt, I didn't want to give up an out,'' Yost said after a five-run ninth carried the Brewers to a 12-9 victory.

Overbay understood the circumstances and bunted on his own anyway, putting the tying run on third and the lead run on second.

It made sense to him, even knowing the Mets would walk cleanup hitter Carlos Lee, who had eight hits in the series. That's because Geoff Jenkins was coming up behind Lee and he already had four hits in the game.

Very familiar situation, no? Does this make what Tracy did a bit more justifiable? Yes. Does this make what Tracy did a good baseball maneuver? No.

2005-08-04 17:07:03
139.   Xeifrank
Tracy would have Castilla bunting.
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:07:13
140.   King of the Hobos
Izzy finally caught it. Navarro needs to get the ball to the SS side
2005-08-04 17:07:41
141.   alex 7
Jon, that's impressive (Petagine). Did you watch him or know how he did? What kind of hitting prospect is he?
2005-08-04 17:07:41
142.   overkill94
Navarro needs to follow through better
2005-08-04 17:07:52
143.   rageon
My opinion, based on zero facts, is that there probably isn't a big enough difference between LF and RF to force a good to one spot or the other simply because he's the better defender. I would guess that playing the two guys where they each feel most comfortable is the way to go. In my own limited experience playing baseball/softball, I HATED right field. I just couldn't judge the ball right away. But in left, it's not a problem. And I know others who feel the same way. So I'm going with that.
2005-08-04 17:08:21
144.   fanerman
Does this make what Tracy did a bit more justifiable? Yes.

How? Success despite idiocy? Webster defines that as "pulling a 'Homer.'"

2005-08-04 17:09:00
145.   Xeifrank
138. Might be a smidgen justifiable if we had Jenkins as our #5 hitter instead of Old Main. vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:09:34
146.   fanerman
Any rage in 144 is a result of misplaced anger towards a broken copy machine.
2005-08-04 17:10:11
147.   bokonon42
LFs are bad. I agree. But since most hitters are RH, doesn't it make sense that more plays in the OF will be the LF's plays than the RF's? More plays, but less important ones, right? I guess it really depends on what harder means.
2005-08-04 17:10:32
148.   fanerman
The biggest difference is RF has to (in theory) be able to make the long throw to 3rd. Not necessary in LF.
2005-08-04 17:10:35
149.   Jacob L
In the Brewers case, you could argue that it was important to get the go-ahead run to second. Not a good argument, but it's something. On Sunday, the Dodgers were the home team, and already had the winning run in scoring position. Even if Saenz had come through, there's still no justifying what happened.
2005-08-04 17:10:42
150.   micktissue
139 - Tracy would have the Babe bunting
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2005-08-04 17:11:17
151.   Xeifrank
143. The main thing needed in RF is a strong arm. You can't throw like a girl and play RF, but you can and play LF. In RF the ball slices off of a right handed bat, in LF it slices off of a left handed bat. If there are more right handed hitters, then RF becomes a little more daunting (which it is). vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:12:50
152.   coachjpark
Do I think that Tracy should be fired? Yes. Do I think that Tracy makes decisions sometimes based on a random coin toss? Yes. Does Tracy's managerial moves make you wonder what is going on in his helium-filled head of his? Yes.
2005-08-04 17:13:06
153.   micktissue
How girls throw
2005-08-04 17:13:42
154.   Jon Weisman
141 - He's about 34 years old, sort of a Hee Seop Choi of a different era in that many statpeople like him, but he never really got much playing time. He ended up in Japan for a while.

I think he had a bad game today.

2005-08-04 17:14:37
155.   Xeifrank
Glad Guzman got out, now Patterson leads off the bottom of the 5th. vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:15:27
156.   King of the Hobos
Penny has tied up the K race once again, 6-6
2005-08-04 17:17:06
157.   Xeifrank
153. Funny stuff, I especially liked the conclusion... So the next time you see someone on the field (guy or girl) with one of those strange throwing motions, don't say, "you throw like a girl". Instead say, "you suck, you're a loser, you can't throw at all, you should be embarrassed to even be on the field. Go play for the Cubs."
2005-08-04 17:18:37
158.   Xeifrank
155. Jumped the gun on the third out. Hopefully, we can tie up the game with the bottom half of our lineup... which isn't much different than the top half. :) vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:20:31
159.   ddger
How fast is this guy Patterson throwing today? I didn't know his stuff was that good or is it our hitters.
2005-08-04 17:21:56
160.   ROC
The game notes are up, there is still hope:

"Phillips said he would probably have X-rays taken Friday in Pittsburgh."

If a break is found, I will do a little dance. (Then the Catholic guilt will kick in)

2005-08-04 17:24:24
161.   King of the Hobos
Penny will have to strike out the side to keep up with Patterson, somehow I doubt that will happen. We need to take more pitches and get Patterson out of there if the Dodgers want to win
2005-08-04 17:24:39
162.   kegtron
K race not looking too good
2005-08-04 17:24:50
163.   scareduck
138 - except that the guy following was Kent with a nonentity hitting behind him. No way Tracy's alleged non-decision was defensible.
2005-08-04 17:25:52
164.   kegtron
Every Dodger has K'd except Dioner.
2005-08-04 17:26:28
165.   Jacob L
Are we seriously rooting for guys on our team to get hurt just so Tracy won't stick them at first base? Tracy gonna do what Tracy gonna do.
2005-08-04 17:28:12
166.   micktissue
Xei - you still posting over at the Yahoo Dodgers message board?


2005-08-04 17:28:56
167.   Xeifrank
166. I think I am going to stop now.
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:29:49
168.   Xeifrank
Gotta go, hope you guys can pull this game out. Looks like Patterson may be too tough for this lineup of ours. One step closer to acceptance.
vr, Xei
2005-08-04 17:31:00
169.   King of the Hobos
Erickson is back on track with Vegas. After walking the leadoff hitter, Rose was able to catch him stealing. He then proceeded to walk the next batter, followed by 2 singles and a run. Couple of groundouts and he's done. Can't wait to recall him in September
2005-08-04 17:31:08
170.   micktissue
167 - I quit before the season. Most of the posters were, uh, well I didn't feel like we were on the same page, on many subjects.

This site is the one I was looking for - thanks Jon.


2005-08-04 17:35:49
171.   overkill94
Why are they assuming Penny is being yanked, he hasn't even thrown 90 pitches? It's not like we have awesome options in the bullpen.
2005-08-04 17:36:42
172.   alex 7
pinch hit for Penny at 88 pitches? Or is he worth leaving in for just one more inning of work?
2005-08-04 17:36:51
173.   King of the Hobos
164 Now everyone has K'd
2005-08-04 17:37:37
174.   overkill94
Our guys act like they've never seen a fastball, this isn't Randy Johnson circa 2001 we're talking about here.
2005-08-04 17:43:19
175.   bokonon42
He may not be Johnson, but Patterson really is good. He's hitting his locations and his breaking stuff is working well.
2005-08-04 17:44:26
176.   coachjpark
Basically Oscar Robles is starting over Hee Seop Choi... that's inexcusable.
2005-08-04 17:47:39
177.   bokonon42
That one play proves how much harder LF is than any other position. Valentin rocks.
2005-08-04 17:48:38
178.   coachjpark
Robles is 4 for his last 44... - .111 BA
Choi is 4 for his last 6... .667 BA

Tracy is a moron.

2005-08-04 17:49:51
179.   coachjpark
Correction on 178 post:
Robles: 0.0909090909 BA
2005-08-04 17:51:24
180.   King of the Hobos
I said this when it happened, and I stick by it, the Expos stole Patterson for Choate. Patterson is the living counter-argument to TINSTAAPP. A good pitching prospect who soured, so the DBacks traded him for junk. The DBacks would be a lot scarier with Patterson on their team
2005-08-04 17:51:54
181.   Uncle Miltie
Izturis has 2 of the Dodgers 3 hits.
2005-08-04 17:51:57
182.   ddger
178 Tracy better not complain about our lineup not scoring consistently when he makes out these ridiculous lineups day after day.
2005-08-04 17:52:55
183.   kegtron
Robles/Izturis are batting a combined .214 since the All Star break.

Choi/AP are batting .370 since the break.

121's lineup looks good to me

(Not including todays game)

2005-08-04 17:54:28
184.   Uncle Miltie
Choi has what 20 AB, same with Perez. Izturis is starting to come out his slump...Robles isn't.
2005-08-04 17:55:11
185.   ddger
178 Don't forget Choi is batting .327 (113 AB) hitting 2nd in lineup?

Maybe too small a sample size for Tracy.

2005-08-04 17:55:13
186.   King of the Hobos
182 As much as I like Choi, Patterson just isn't giving anyone anything to hit, yet is throwing strikes. No matter what Tracy might do, this game isn't really his fault. Our hits are a dropped ball, a blooper, and a ground ball though a hole in the infield. The Nats originally had Loaiza-Drese-Armas going this series, then changed it on Monday or Tuesday. Too bad they didn't keep it that way
2005-08-04 17:55:29
187.   Jacob L
How in the world did Clemens and Wood ever strike out 20? Patterson is mowing us down at a prodigious pace, and he still have to record every remaining out for 3 innings via the k to get there.
2005-08-04 17:56:14
188.   kegtron

Choi - 23, AP -31. Considering the sample sizes Tracy uses to justify his lineups, thats good enough for me.

2005-08-04 17:58:27
189.   ddger
How long do we go with Valentin at LF? He hasn't provided any power or average.
2005-08-04 18:00:34
190.   Uncle Miltie
Why is Penny still in!
2005-08-04 18:00:56
191.   coachjpark
The longer that Tracy has Choi sitting the bench, the more he feels that he has to go with that situation because if Tracy puts in Choi and Choi does well, it makes Tracy look like a moron. There's got to be some of that thinking when Tracy makes out his lineups, don't you think?

I know that's pretty malicious in assessing Tracy's character, but can one think of another reason to purposely not play Choi? Pure idiocy, maybe?

2005-08-04 18:01:32
192.   ddger
190 Our options are Dessens, Alvarez, and Carrara. Pick your poison.
2005-08-04 18:01:51
193.   kegtron
Penny needs to K the side in order to have K'd every Nat in the lineup.
2005-08-04 18:03:45
194.   coachjpark
Tracy's head is full of pennies.
2005-08-04 18:06:35
195.   Uncle Miltie
192- You're right, but I don't like seeing our injury-prone $8 million ace throwing 114 pitches. I'd probably use Dessens next.
2005-08-04 18:07:44
196.   Mark
Steve et al should be interested in my new Google homepage:

2005-08-04 18:09:18
197.   Telemachos
And here I thought yesterday's game was painful.
2005-08-04 18:11:25
198.   ddger
At least no controversial bunts so far since we can't get anyone on base.
2005-08-04 18:12:22
199.   Uncle Miltie
Valentin needs to be benched. That was a pitiful at bat.
2005-08-04 18:13:01
200.   King of the Hobos
197 I'd say yesterday's was more painful. We actually had a chance to win it. In this game, we needed a line drive to Patterson's head to win it
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2005-08-04 18:13:10
201.   ddger
I guess Edwards isn't too bad in LF. At least he gets a hit now and then.
2005-08-04 18:13:49
202.   Uncle Miltie
Penny stays in! No!
2005-08-04 18:14:17
203.   ddger
Now, I really don't understand why Penny is pitching 8th.
2005-08-04 18:15:27
204.   King of the Hobos
This is probably the first time this season when the opposing team would rather Cordero to come and close the game
2005-08-04 18:17:01
205.   Uncle Miltie
That moron! Now that run will probably score!
2005-08-04 18:37:47
206.   King of the Hobos
Toaster is back...props to Sanchez. We will now score 2 runs in the 9th...
2005-08-04 18:37:47
207.   King of the Hobos
Toaster is back...props to Sanchez. We will now score 2 runs in the 9th...
2005-08-04 18:38:02
208.   scareduck
Good thing the Nats hit a home run. That'll kill their rally.
2005-08-04 18:40:44
209.   Telemachos
Guesses as to who will be our lineup in the ninth?

My bet is Ledee-Izturis-Robles.

2005-08-04 18:41:43
210.   Telemachos
Hmm, my comment was sent pre-slam. Obviously, the game is slightly different now.
2005-08-04 18:42:36
211.   King of the Hobos
If anyone wants to know, Erickson allowed 3 base hits scoring a run, then gave up a homer
2005-08-04 18:43:35
212.   King of the Hobos
Time for a 2 out, 8 run rally
2005-08-04 18:45:08
213.   King of the Hobos
Tracy didn't manage Sanchez so well, but that wasn't a Tracy loss. It was a Patterson win, simple as that
2005-08-04 19:04:45
214.   King of the Hobos
Whenever you guys get back (pssst...DT is working again), the Astros have taken the lead on a Burke tripled and a Quintero ground out
2005-08-04 19:06:54
215.   bill cox
Erickson pitched 4 innings with no strikeouts.He's still got nothing and it can't get so bad we need him.
2005-08-04 19:46:39
216.   dzzrtRatt
What Jim Tracy is Thinking, Part 2

"The manager is 'accountable?' Holy crap!"

(from the AP story on Lee Mazzili)

Baltimore got off to a solid start and on April 23 gained sole possession of first place, ahead of the defending champion Red Sox and the New York Yankees.

``Nobody worked harder than Maz,'' Angels manager Mike Scioscia said. ``I know he worked very, very hard at getting that team and their whole organization going in the right direction. But when it doesn't happen, you're accountable. That's the life of anybody who's in this position. If you're not moving the organization forward, they make you pass the baton to somebody else.''

The Orioles stayed on top through June 23. They were in second place, just one game back, on July 15 -- the day Palmeiro got his 3,000th hit and became the fourth player in baseball history to reach 3,000 hits and 500 homers.

But Baltimore then began the nosedive that cost Mazzilli his job. From July 16 through Wednesday, the Orioles lost 16 of 18 to fall into fourth place.

2005-08-04 20:44:48
217.   Xeifrank
Jim Tracy's wife must be managing the USA womens softball team. With runners on first and second with nobody out they bunted, third baseman fired to the SS covering third who fired to the second baseman covering first for a rally killing 5-6-4 double play. Choi didn't play in that game either. vr, Xei
2005-08-04 20:58:20
218.   Xeifrank
DT Over/Under moves into the semi-finals in the upcoming Pirates series...

Best two out of three...(Semi Finals)
8/5, Lowe vs Pirates
8/6, Perez vs Pirates
8/7, Weaver vs Pirates
Best 2 out of three
Colorado Blue:
Best 2 out of three
Consolation Game:
Louis in SF:
CT Bum:
1-Joekings 8-4-1
2-Howard 8-7-2
3-Xeifrank 8-7-2
4-Colorado Blue 8-9-0
5x-Louis in SF 5-6-2
6x-CT Bum 6-8-3
x = eliminated.

2005-08-04 21:09:26
219.   LAT
Bob T, this one's for you:

Russ Ortiz's rehab start was not a screaming success:

Ortiz: 2 1/3 IP, 12 H, 1 BB, 1 K, 10 ER
And that was in Lancaster which is class A. He's expected to start in Tucson on Monday.

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