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2005-08-06 14:29
by Jon Weisman

Today's Game

Rookie pitcher Zach Duke has allowed four earned runs in 39 1/3 innings for the Pirates. Should Fernando be impressed?

Comments (267)
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2005-08-06 14:32:36
1.   Jim Hitchcock
This space for rent. Contact above.
2005-08-06 14:39:51
2.   Linkmeister
But what's the price per sf? Is there a percentage rent provision in the contract? How's the location? What's the projected traffic flow past this intersection? What are the common area charges?
2005-08-06 14:46:30
3.   Steve Saxs Sweaty Jockstrap
This guy is the real deal. To bad he plays for the pirates.
2005-08-06 14:56:56
4.   King of the Hobos
Tracy decided Edwards has a better arm than Repko. Why Edwards is in right is beyond me, he can barely field left field and doesn't have an arm anywhere like Repko's

SS Izzy
LF Repko
CF Bradley
1B Kent
3B Saenz
2B Perez
RF Edwards
C Navarro
P Perez


3B Sanchez
CF Duffy
LF Bay
1B Eldred
2B Castillo
RF Restovich
C Cota
SS Wilson
P Duke

Righties have shown a lot more power against Duke, but they're not that much better. Small sample size though. Either way, Perez will provide our offense from the left side.

2005-08-06 15:01:21
5.   SiGeg
According to Buster Olney, we're sending Oliver Perez to the mound today to face Duke.
Some of Tracy's moves have been odd, but sending the Pirate's own pitcher out to face them is just too much! Maybe if it were Oliver Perez version 2004, and maybe if he weren't on the DL, I'd feel better about it....
2005-08-06 15:03:31
6.   Jim Hitchcock
2 - Link, the charges are per word. The traffic flow is based on past comment postings. The common area charges you have to discuss with Jon.

Or, to make it easy, considering where you live, we just swap digs for a month :)

2005-08-06 15:10:49
7.   coachjpark
What goes through Tracy's mind when he fills out the lineup card?

Mike Edwards -- God bless the guy -- is what he is... an adequate bench guy. Why not start Jason Repko?

Here's an idea... put Antonio Perez in RF and let Hee Seop get a start. Sorry for starting another Choi tirade here, but Tracy seriously needs to explain himself sometime...

2005-08-06 15:12:07
8.   micktissue
My hs baseball manager always stuck me in right because I couldn't field. If I had it my way, I'd have Repko in left too because of his arm.

With Duke on the hill there's bound to be more balls in left than right anyway, right? I suppose if hitter are late Edwards will get a work out, if they connect that is (Duke is 8+Ks/9 at home this year - ouch)

I tried to find an "out chart" for Duke but came up empty.

2005-08-06 15:13:35
9.   micktissue
7 - Repko IS Starting, according to
2005-08-06 15:19:51
10.   King of the Hobos
8 Not entirely sure what an out chart is, but Duke has 29 SOs, 37 GOs, 51 AOs, and a PO/CS
2005-08-06 15:23:10
11.   molokai
For the 1st time in weeks I can find nothing to complain about regarding the lineup and the team we have. Zach Duke has been unhittable but he's not that great a pitcher. Today he turns into a pumpkin. I saw a stat recently that showed he currently is in the company of Fernando and someone else based on the start to his major league career. Heady stuff.

Lowry was incredible today for the Giants. Given all that crap the West has taken I was actually rooting for them against Houston. Randy Johnson got spanked by the BlueJays. Aaron Small is doing better then he is. Time stands still for no man, just ask Steve Carlton.

2005-08-06 15:31:28
12.   King of the Hobos
11 Walker decided to give Houston some runs. Now it's 5-2, and Houston has no outs in the inning
2005-08-06 15:32:24
13.   Linkmeister
6 Given the current state of my rock fever, I'd consider it. ;)
2005-08-06 15:33:09
14.   popup
A game from the past:

2005 marks the 50th anniversary of the first Dodger World Championship and the debut of Sandy Koufax in the major leagues. What better time to look back at Sandy's first victory?

The date was August 27, 1955 and a Dodger team comfortably in first place started Brooklyn native Sandy Koufax at Ebbets Field in a game against The Cincinnati Redlegs. Sandy gave up a single to Ted Kluszewski in the first and then preceeded to hold the hard hitting Redlegs without a hit until the ninth.

Leading 7-0, Sandy gave up a two out double to Sam Mele in the Cincinnati ninth. With the shutout on the line, Sandy retired former Dodger Rocky Bridges on a popup to Pee Wee Reese to complete an impressive 14 strikeout, 2 hit complete game shutout for his first major league victory. Not a bad outing for a 19 year old kid who would go on to many more masterful performances.

Thanks to the book Koufax by Ed Linn and Sandy, to retrosheet, Bob Timmermann and Jon

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-06 15:36:19
15.   Rob M

Edwards and Repko won't be in the field when Duke is pitching, right?

2005-08-06 15:43:46
16.   Linkmeister
14 I wonder if Koufax and Mele traded memories of that game when Sandy pitched against the Mele-managed Twins in the 1965 WS.
2005-08-06 15:45:06
17.   coachbean
Mike Edwards... I forgot he was still on the team, must be the reason that Tracy gives him a start.

Seriously compare the minor league stats of Edwards and Tydus Meadows of Jacksonville, and tell me which one deserves to be on the Dodger roster... let alone getting weekly playing time.... Oh yeah I forgot Mike Edwards is so valubable because he can play 3rd base (along with 3 other guys on the roster)and be our emergency catcher.

2005-08-06 15:52:16
18.   Sam DC
11 Great comment; in an oddly lyrical sort of way; reading that was a really nice moment in my day.

14 these Sandy stories have been great Stan. Hopefully there'll be room in this town for both you and Bob when he returns.

2005-08-06 15:54:08
19.   Spageticus
11- It would be a cold day before I could vote for the giants. The fact they are below the Dodgers in the standings makes this season a plus in several categories for me. Gosh, how i hate them.

Just watched the movie Primer for the third time. The two stars look a lot like Shawn Green and Darin Erstad. Spooky.

2005-08-06 15:54:17
20.   ddger
Only couple of questions on today's lineup:

Is Saenz better at 3rd than Perez?
Shouldn't Repko be batting lower than 2nd?

2005-08-06 15:55:01
21.   bigcpa
This Daniel Cabrera is an odd guy...

He strikes out Delucci, Young, Teizeira to start the game. Then in the 2nd he walks 3 straight before a Delucci grand slam. Then he walks the next guy.

Final line:
3 2/3, 7K, 5BB, 5H, 8ER

Can we call this "ineffective dominance"?

2005-08-06 15:59:36
22.   King of the Hobos
No Steve Lyons today, just Steiner. How unfortunate
2005-08-06 16:03:41
23.   ddger
Everyone will be batting from right side today against Duke. Shouldn't we have a couple of LH hitters (Choi, Ledee) to give him different looks?
2005-08-06 16:04:44
24.   King of the Hobos
23 That's what Perez is for, I guess
2005-08-06 16:05:58
25.   SiGeg
It does seems like Saenz gets a free pass as far as his defense is concerned. I think this might be related to the "professional" label Tracy's used for him. I know that it has usually been applied in terms of hitting, but it seems to me that it ultimately has to do more with a sense of being at peace with whatever a player's limitations are. So, we can call a hitter a "professional" one -- whether they are good or not -- as a way of signaling that we are not interested in pointing out their faults. I'm not sure how a player earns this acceptance.
2005-08-06 16:06:19
26.   regfairfield
Repko hitting second, almost forgot what that was like.
2005-08-06 16:10:19
27.   King of the Hobos
Duke won't be shutting us out
2005-08-06 16:11:06
28.   Uncle Miltie
Tomato Heinz!
2005-08-06 16:11:07
29.   bokonon42
Did Bradley double? The cable company cut away from the game for a flash-flood warning during his at bat.
2005-08-06 16:12:26
30.   ddger
Duke's era went above 1.00 now.
2005-08-06 16:13:35
31.   King of the Hobos
29 Bradley doubled to left off the wall.
2005-08-06 16:13:48
32.   Jim Hitchcock
You know Charlie is a little nervous broadcasting alone when he mixes up left and right field.
2005-08-06 16:15:37
33.   coachbean
Bradely doubled deep to left off the wall in the corner... gotta bad bounce otherwise it may have been a triple (not that it would have mattered).
2005-08-06 16:17:06
34.   ddger
If I were the Pirates I would bunt every time toward Saenz.
2005-08-06 16:17:16
35.   coachbean
Sanchez...Looks like the Pirates have their own Repko
2005-08-06 16:17:54
36.   regfairfield
Freddy Sanchez singles on a soft ground ball to third baseman Olmedo Saenz.

Swinging bunt, or something far more sinisiter?

2005-08-06 16:19:45
37.   King of the Hobos
36 Swinging bunt that took Saenz forever to get to.
2005-08-06 16:20:44
38.   regfairfield
37 Good thing he's such a professional hitter.
2005-08-06 16:21:22
39.   King of the Hobos
32 Doesn't he tend to do that regardless?
2005-08-06 16:21:47
40.   Steve
Who kidnapped Jim Tracy and substituted someone who came really close to figuring out who should be playing tonight?
2005-08-06 16:22:00
41.   ddger
Oh Boy, Saenz is really struggling. I'm not sure if he can last the whole game.
2005-08-06 16:22:03
42.   King of the Hobos
Saenz isn't helping us at 3rd. He dropped a routine grounder and bare missed getting Bay. Possible DP if he holds it
2005-08-06 16:22:31
43.   Jim Hitchcock
37 - Beltre wouldn't have made the play either.
Alex Cora, of course, would have been able to cut it off and made the play.


Having said that, Beltre would have made the last play :)

2005-08-06 16:22:55
44.   Uncle Miltie
Olmedo showing his defensive abilities
2005-08-06 16:23:03
45.   King of the Hobos
This is really easy to fix, Perez to 3rd, Kent to 2nd, Saenz to 1B. I'm willing to bet that's the better defensive alignment anyways
2005-08-06 16:24:11
46.   Uncle Miltie
Antonio Perez would have made that play. Tracy complains about Perez's defense yet he play Olmedo at 3B? Why not try Phillips at SS too?
2005-08-06 16:24:35
47.   coachbean
Saenz has looked like a 'professional hittter" playing over there at third.
2005-08-06 16:25:21
48.   ddger
Which will occur first, Tracy starts Perez at 3rd or Choi gets a start.
2005-08-06 16:25:32
49.   SiGeg
Sounds better to me. Has anyone ever seen a manager move infielders around like this in the middle of a game? An inning?
2005-08-06 16:27:33
50.   ddger
Tracy used similar alignment previously. I'm not sure if he stayed with it whole game or not.
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2005-08-06 16:27:34
51.   bokonon42
46 Bonus: If Phillips did play SS, he'd bat lead-off.
2005-08-06 16:29:26
52.   Uncle Miltie
Olmedo shows his great range
2005-08-06 16:30:05
53.   Jim Hitchcock
Steiner: "Another sold out house..."

Cue shot of empty seats...

He recovered nicely, however.

2005-08-06 16:30:19
54.   ddger
If Tracy changes the positions, he would look stupid so rather than look stupid he would rather let the team try to overcome his stupidity.

Today's position should have been:

Saenz 1B
Kent 2B
Perez 3B
Repko RF
Edwards LF

It seems that the Pirates are trying to hit everything to Saenz.

2005-08-06 16:30:33
55.   King of the Hobos
A good ol' unearned run right there

How is that Pittsburgh persuades fans to come with fireworks? They seem to have them often enough, and I can't think of any reason why they'd come otherwise

2005-08-06 16:30:39
56.   Steve
51 -- and he'd be better than Izturis
2005-08-06 16:30:59
57.   Uncle Miltie
Odalis is losing his concentration again..Loduca would have thrown both of them out
2005-08-06 16:31:40
58.   coachbean
[48] Choi gets a start...

Saenz looked awesome on that cutoff... which is probably the memory of that will "stick" in Tracy's brain.

2005-08-06 16:31:51
59.   popup
#16, Link, in his autobiography Sandy says he ran into Mele during the 65 W.S. and mentioned the game to him. Mele had no recollection of the game or ever having an at bat against Sandy. Just goes to show you that what is memorable for you is not memorable for someone else

Sam, thanks. I have no intention of trying to steal Bob's thunder or job. He deserves lots of praise for what he has done all year. I find the writing fun but sometimes draining. I have lots of respect for Jon too for keeping at this for years. What a terrific job he does.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-06 16:32:42
60.   ddger
I bet Saenz was glad that they hit to Izturis for the last out.

We were lucky they only scored 1 run in that inning. It could have been much worse.

2005-08-06 16:33:02
61.   Steve
More stolen bases for the arbitration hearing. Why do we even count those?
2005-08-06 16:33:05
62.   regfairfield
60 - They are the Pirates.
2005-08-06 16:35:39
63.   Uncle Miltie
Olmedo is a great fielder; that was his first error! Nothing hit right at him gets past him (usually)
2005-08-06 16:35:42
64.   ddger
I sure would like to see Navarro throw someone out. Everyone is raving about his throwing but I haven't seen him make one good throw yet.
2005-08-06 16:35:43
65.   SiGeg
Yes, I think changing the players' positions in the middle of the game or an inning would look like he was admitting a mistake. That's why I wondered if anyone had ever seen it done before.

Of course, he could always claim to be inventing a new brilliant managerial strategy of matching the infield to the current game conditions and/or current arm angles of the pitcher, or something like that.

2005-08-06 16:36:03
66.   King of the Hobos
No wonder Navarro doesn't have any XBHs...
2005-08-06 16:37:39
67.   Mark Linsey
The Pirates announcers (who sound so bored all of the time!) mentioned that Edwards is from the area and family/friends are there today. That's probably why he got the start.
2005-08-06 16:38:02
68.   Uncle Miltie
Why is Tracy not bunting here? Worst manager in the majors
2005-08-06 16:38:20
69.   SiGeg
What happened?
2005-08-06 16:38:53
70.   Ryan Jerz
Please tell me Odalis did that on his own...please
2005-08-06 16:39:13
71.   Ryan Jerz
Even the brutal Pirates announcers can't believe it.
2005-08-06 16:39:57
72.   Uncle Miltie
Clutch hit by Izturis but no RBI because Tracy is an incompetent manager. Nice falling play by Sanchez
2005-08-06 16:40:16
73.   Ryan Jerz
67 Last night I think they went three batters without speaking at all.
2005-08-06 16:40:46
74.   King of the Hobos
69 Line drive over the infield and down the line, it's a double for speedy runners easy, and it seemed like he had a chance. Either he doesn't trust his speed, or I had a terrible view of what happened (which is far more likely)
2005-08-06 16:42:57
75.   ddger
Did O Perez attempt a bunt?
2005-08-06 16:43:15
76.   coachbean
Was out of the room for a minute... So Odalis did not attempt to bunt?
2005-08-06 16:43:41
77.   Gen3Blue
We will be impressed with this young pitcher if we let him off the mat, Saenz is a good hitter, but shouldn't be in the field period. I've seen his lack of speed mean runs at both first and third. I know at this point we need his bat, but this could be a one run game. Oh well, we handled Patterson, maybe we'll get Duke!
2005-08-06 16:44:20
78.   coachbean
Anyone else think Jack Wilson looks like Adam Corolla?
2005-08-06 16:44:40
79.   King of the Hobos
75 On the first pitch, yes. Then he swung but checked his swing for a foul. Then he was called out doing nothing
2005-08-06 16:45:46
80.   ddger
If Perez wasn't ordered to bunt, it is totally inexcusible.
2005-08-06 16:46:39
81.   Jim Hitchcock
I wish that happy face in the aisle behind home plate would stop staring at me.
2005-08-06 16:48:00
82.   ddger
This game has started out as comedy of errors, starting with lineup. We should be up 2-0.
2005-08-06 16:48:36
83.   King of the Hobos
Ball right through Izzy's glove. Wasn't going to be an out, but would have saved a run
2005-08-06 16:49:06
84.   Uncle Miltie
Bad play by Izturis
2005-08-06 16:49:07
85.   ddger
This game has started out as comedy of errors, starting with lineu . We should be up 2-0.
2005-08-06 16:50:10
86.   ddger
O Perez will come unglued any moment now.

At least he can't blame Choi or A Perez today.

2005-08-06 16:50:10
87.   King of the Hobos
82 I wouldn't trust Navarro's speed to score from 2nd. He may not be Phillips, but he certainly isn't Rickey
2005-08-06 16:50:52
88.   Uncle Miltie
Great now Bay is up
2005-08-06 16:51:32
89.   King of the Hobos
This sucks really bad. 3 runs off Duke probably won't be too easy.
2005-08-06 16:51:33
90.   Uncle Miltie
4-1-great defense today
2005-08-06 16:51:35
91.   Joe Morgan
izturis is the most over rated player on the team.
we should trade him.

poor perez. He's totally getting screwed by the defense.

2005-08-06 16:52:18
92.   King of the Hobos
Good news is the Pads are in trouble. Guzman managed a double against them, need I say more?
2005-08-06 16:52:23
93.   coachbean
Are all the Pirate runs unearned?
2005-08-06 16:52:27
94.   ddger
Repko looked like Edwards on that last hit.
2005-08-06 16:53:18
95.   King of the Hobos
93 No, the Izzy play was a hit, not an error.
2005-08-06 16:53:33
96.   ddger
93 The didn't give error to Izturis because of his reputation.
2005-08-06 16:53:39
97.   Uncle Miltie
"The Pirates are picking Odalis Perez's pocket like he was a Nebraska farm boy on 42nd..."
2005-08-06 16:54:12
98.   coachbean
Good thing Tracy puts a premium on defense.
2005-08-06 16:54:44
99.   King of the Hobos
Perez struck out the side. I don't think you can have a more unlucky inning as a pitcher
2005-08-06 16:55:43
100.   King of the Hobos
99 I meant to add "without an error"
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2005-08-06 16:57:14
101.   King of the Hobos
Nats have a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the 2nd
2005-08-06 16:57:19
102.   Joe Morgan
what a horrible beginning to the game. at this point, I don't think we deserve to win if we are playing this badly. izzy, saenz, repko, and perez have all made defensive miscues.

thank god it's early.

98. tracy is an idiot, he puts a premium on screwing over choi and little else.

he said he wouldn't play saenz two days in a row, yet here he is again...

2005-08-06 16:58:46
103.   natepurcell
laroche doubles on a one hopper to the right field wall.

loneys batting .351 in the last 31 games.

2005-08-06 17:00:10
104.   coachbean
Joe Morgan defending Hee Sop?
2005-08-06 17:00:14
105.   Uncle Miltie
91- that title would go to postseason hero and our $9 million ace, Derek Lowe.
2005-08-06 17:01:22
106.   natepurcell
loneyy!! 2 run double on a 3-2 pitch! he is on fire!!
2005-08-06 17:02:17
107.   Joe Morgan
104 - I just read moneyball yesterday. billy beane wrote a great book. maybe computers are the cause of the enron thing afterall...
2005-08-06 17:06:32
108.   dzzrtRatt
Silver lining dept.

Navarro's throw to first on the 'little nubber' had some pop to it.

2005-08-06 17:08:10
109.   King of the Hobos
Pads have tied the game in the top of the 4th
2005-08-06 17:08:16
110.   Uncle Miltie
nate are you an LA Dodgers fan or a Jacksonville Suns fan?
2005-08-06 17:09:03
111.   coachbean
The Aflac Trivia Question Brought to you by Nissan... must be an Are Moreno idea...
2005-08-06 17:09:29
112.   Langhorne
Reality check.

Izturis should have stopped that ball but there's no way anyone would have thrown out the runner. That's why it was scored a hit. The run would have scored anyway because Odalis threw a beach ball to Bay.

Saenz is far from a defensive liability. He is a slow runner but he still has great reflexes. He's better at first but he's also better than A.Perez at third. Antonio is, by far, the worst defensive third baseman we've used this season. Saenz has a better Range Factor than Perez. He also has a better RF than Beltre this year.

2005-08-06 17:11:23
113.   Uncle Miltie
Mike Edwards needs to get on the roids
2005-08-06 17:11:33
114.   Uncle Miltie
Mike Edwards needs to get on the roids

So does Navarro

2005-08-06 17:11:37
115.   King of the Hobos
Mystery guests! Can't wait!

Navarro just needed a few more feet...

2005-08-06 17:11:43
116.   Joe Morgan
112 - aren't you worried about small sample size when comparing Saenz and Beltre's rangefactor?
2005-08-06 17:12:57
117.   natepurcell
nate are you an LA Dodgers fan or a Jacksonville Suns fan?

both :)

2005-08-06 17:13:18
118.   Uncle Miltie
Nats lead 2-1.
2005-08-06 17:13:31
119.   coachbean
[112] Any stat that says Olmedo is a better fielder at third base than Beltre is highly suspect.
2005-08-06 17:14:35
120.   King of the Hobos
Duke certainly isn't dominating anyone. If Izzy and Repko can get on base, we could close the gap pretty fast.
2005-08-06 17:15:42
121.   King of the Hobos
Is anyone else afraid the "mystery guests" are Lyons and Downing?
2005-08-06 17:18:47
122.   King of the Hobos
Zach Duke looks terrible hitting. He swung at a slow pitch that he could have kicked
2005-08-06 17:19:14
123.   los angeles dragons
I'm glad this isn't on ESPN as they'd have the game picture cropped down in a small corner while the talking is going on. Or perhaps they wouldn't be showing the game at all.
2005-08-06 17:21:16
124.   Uncle Miltie
Repko turns an out into a triple...and Steiner called him Jason Phillips...
2005-08-06 17:21:21
125.   King of the Hobos
Sanchez could have had a inside the park homer if anyone but Repko is throwing that. Repko just looked terrible
2005-08-06 17:21:51
126.   Joe Morgan
the pirates announcers are laughing at repko as we speak
2005-08-06 17:23:02
127.   student of the game
126 Is the Pirates broadcast on extra innings?
2005-08-06 17:23:06
128.   Uncle Miltie
Repko is not a LF. Perez just screwed up a play. 5-1
2005-08-06 17:23:19
129.   King of the Hobos
The defense strikes again. Perez deflected that to the middle of nowhere for a run. This sucks
2005-08-06 17:23:19
130.   ddger
Perez looks like he doesn't want to pitch anymore today.
2005-08-06 17:23:26
131.   Uncle Miltie
Odalis that is
2005-08-06 17:24:41
132.   Uncle Miltie
Lima is out of the game 7-0 A's
2005-08-06 17:25:03
133.   babber
Extra Innings is showing the Pirate broadcast....Steiner and crew can't be any worse
2005-08-06 17:25:33
134.   Uncle Miltie
Bradley calls off Repko so the ball doesn't bounce off his head
2005-08-06 17:25:43
135.   dzzrtRatt
Bradley to Repko on that fly ball: "You're fired."
2005-08-06 17:26:33
136.   King of the Hobos
133 No Lyons, so it's just Steiner. Now we have Lasorda and Chuck Tanner talking about the good ol' days with Steiner interjecting every now and then to call the game
2005-08-06 17:27:01
137.   Joe Morgan
if odalis rips the team after this game no one can really say anything. Of course, he should rip himself as if he'd left that ball izzy would've (probably) gotten the out.
2005-08-06 17:27:52
138.   Uncle Miltie
Izzy is breaking out of his slump
2005-08-06 17:28:18
139.   ddger
Is Repko having vision problems. He missed a ball real bad last night also.

Tracy sure knew that the Pirates would hit lot of balls to LF so he put Repko out there. Funny how even Tracy's best moves backfire on him.

2005-08-06 17:29:18
140.   Uncle Miltie
Repko grounds into a force play. Maybe he should stick to bunting.
2005-08-06 17:30:59
141.   ddger
Batting Repko 2nd and putting him in LF must have confused Repko because he looks lost and out of place.
2005-08-06 17:31:23
142.   natepurcell
bradley loves the duke. 2 doubles tonight.
2005-08-06 17:31:32
143.   Uncle Miltie
Bradley doubles again. He might be breaking out his slump too.
2005-08-06 17:31:40
144.   King of the Hobos
If only Repko's bloop foul had landed fair...
2005-08-06 17:32:09
145.   Uncle Miltie
Up by 4 runs they are IBB'ing Kent!
2005-08-06 17:32:35
146.   Joe Morgan
I can't agree with the pirates intentionally walking kent.
2005-08-06 17:32:35
147.   natepurcell
laroche line drive single, loney walks.

guzman up, bases loaded no outs.

2005-08-06 17:33:01
148.   babber
Let's go Tomato Heinz!!!!
2005-08-06 17:33:38
149.   dzzrtRatt
Saenz professionalism has just been questioned by Lloyd McClendon. Show'em Old Maid!
2005-08-06 17:34:18
150.   Gen3Blue
The Pirates broadcasters did actually laugh at Repko. The saving grace in a season like this is the constant class of of our announcer. Nothing sounds as pitiable as a homer, and I notice many teams have overt ones now.
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2005-08-06 17:34:23
151.   King of the Hobos
146 Neither did Tanner or Lasorda...
2005-08-06 17:35:17
152.   ddger
We forgive Saenz!!!!
2005-08-06 17:36:04
153.   natepurcell
blast, fielders choice, out recorded at home.
2005-08-06 17:36:05
154.   King of the Hobos
Lasorda assures us a win tonight, and to win the division
2005-08-06 17:36:19
155.   dzzrtRatt
For those not watching the LA TV broadcast, Lasorda just predicted the Dodgers are going to win the division.

Tommy Lasorda, high on life!

2005-08-06 17:36:22
156.   ddger
3 run double would be so nice right now
2005-08-06 17:36:27
157.   Langhorne

They're about the same over their careers. Beltre isn't as good as people think he is and Saenz isn't nearly as bad.

2005-08-06 17:37:37
158.   Uncle Miltie
Tommy sounds like a cheerleader...
2005-08-06 17:38:52
159.   Uncle Miltie
Lasarda is a worse announcer than Joe Morgan
2005-08-06 17:39:57
160.   natepurcell
hahahaha lasorda.

when edwards hits that groundball to sanchez you can hear tommy in the background "come on, throw it away!"


why isnt tommy a color commentator for the dodgers. i think it would make the games so much more fun.

2005-08-06 17:40:15
161.   King of the Hobos
Duke doesn't look like he has much left, and the Pirates pen isn't exactly great.

Pads tied the game, 2-2

2005-08-06 17:40:58
162.   King of the Hobos
160 Because Steve Lyons is so much more fun...
2005-08-06 17:41:13
163.   Uncle Miltie
Because he would describe every Dodger as great/outstanding
2005-08-06 17:41:32
164.   ddger
Come on Perez, just give us 1 shutout inning and we'll PH for you and you can take the rest of the night off.
2005-08-06 17:41:46
165.   Uncle Miltie
Another error by Old Tomato
2005-08-06 17:41:59
166.   dzzrtRatt
158 Kirsten Dunst could play Lasorda in the movie about the '88 season.
2005-08-06 17:42:09
167.   King of the Hobos
Saenz with the bad

Lasorda has a good point, Steiner puts a lot of people to sleep

2005-08-06 17:42:13
168.   natepurcell
wow pilkington just threw a 9 inning 2 hit CG.
2005-08-06 17:42:50
169.   Uncle Miltie
What was that about Olmedo being a better defender than Antonio Perez. Double play makes up for the error.
2005-08-06 17:43:41
170.   los angeles dragons
Lasorda is drunk on grappa imo.
2005-08-06 17:43:59
171.   King of the Hobos
The error was part of Saenz's plan, he didn't want to throw all the way to first two times
2005-08-06 17:44:01
172.   Joe Morgan
157. yes, but Saenz is not the fielder he used to be and

crap, saenz made another error as I was typing this.

anyways, and fielding declines pretty quickly. I'm glad we didn't resign beltre for the crazy money, but I think any career RF stats are not so applicable anymore and the current or recent sample size is too small.

still, I'd like to see saenz at 3rd and choi at 1st more often.

2005-08-06 17:44:37
173.   King of the Hobos
The Pirates sure have "hit it to Saenz" down perfectly, he fielded all 3 balls
2005-08-06 17:44:37
174.   natepurcell
no one else like tommy doing the color?
2005-08-06 17:44:55
175.   ddger
Pirates are hitting everything to 3rd and LF tonight. They must have gotten a good scouting report after Tracy's lineup came out.
2005-08-06 17:45:44
176.   Joe Morgan
a Lasorda/Psycho combo would be FANTASTIC.
2005-08-06 17:45:53
177.   Ryan Jerz
166 That would make Lasorda very watchable.
2005-08-06 17:47:01
178.   King of the Hobos
That's Navarro's second deep fly ball.
2005-08-06 17:47:34
179.   natepurcell
navarro with two rather deep fly balls. when he matures, those would probably be homeruns.
2005-08-06 17:47:46
180.   ddger
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Why didn't we PH for O Perez.
2005-08-06 17:48:31
181.   King of the Hobos
180 Remember our bullpen last night? Tracy doesn't want that again
2005-08-06 17:50:25
182.   ddger
181 But we're down by 2. Tracy just threw away that inning.
2005-08-06 17:51:15
183.   fanerman
Is Saenz a worse 3B than A. Perez?
2005-08-06 17:51:47
184.   ddger
Perez better not give up any runs this inning or Tracy's decision will look really bad.
2005-08-06 17:53:06
185.   King of the Hobos
Repko didn't miss that by much. This sure makes keeping Perez in look stupid
2005-08-06 17:53:10
186.   ddger
183 He's definitely not any better.

Figures, Perez gives up another run. Now Tracy will have to probably replace him this inning.

2005-08-06 17:53:34
187.   natepurcell
Perez better not give up any runs this inning or Tracy's decision will look really bad.

oops!!! jack with a jack.

2005-08-06 17:54:27
188.   ddger
Every run is important but Tracy doesn't realize that. He gives up outs, innings, players, and games repeatedly.
2005-08-06 17:56:13
189.   bill cox
Brian Pilkington pitched a one hitter for Vero Beach tonight.
I think Tracy needs to go before Loney gets a callup.Tracy would probably play him at catcher or let him sit on the bench while playing the peanut vendor at first.
2005-08-06 17:58:05
190.   natepurcell
Tracy would probably play him at catcher or let him sit on the bench while playing the peanut vendor at first.

speaking of the peanut vendor, anyone see the espn special on the peanut vendor at DS?

2005-08-06 17:58:20
191.   ddger
Repko has chance to redeem himself.
2005-08-06 18:00:24
192.   Uncle Miltie
189- that would be pretty exciting to have a left handed catcher
2005-08-06 18:01:00
193.   ddger
Tracy must really enjoy scrambling positions:

Playing C at 1B, 2B at 1B, 1B man at 3rd, RF at LF, LF at RF, .......

2005-08-06 18:01:51
194.   Joe Morgan
the pirates are on Duke's jock like flies on sh..
2005-08-06 18:02:38
195.   King of the Hobos
Strike 3 to Kent almost hit him...
2005-08-06 18:03:30
196.   ddger
Tracy's position scrambling could have a lot to do with today's results.
2005-08-06 18:03:36
197.   Uncle Miltie
Clutch strikeout by Dave Roberts with a man on 2nd and nobody out
2005-08-06 18:03:41
198.   natepurcell
strike 3 to milton was outside and below his knees.
2005-08-06 18:04:56
199.   ddger
Why didn't we just start Kent at 3rd if we were going to start Saenz at 3rd. I think Kent is definite improvement over Saenz.
2005-08-06 18:05:14
200.   King of the Hobos
Frank Robinson continues his bizarre use of his pen. With a 2-2 count on Roberts and a man on 2nd, Eischen came in and got the K

Kent better not get himself kicked out of this

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2005-08-06 18:05:43
201.   Uncle Miltie
Great Geo comes in a close game...I wish Tracy would have wasted him yesterday
2005-08-06 18:05:59
202.   ddger
This game can easily be a blowout since we have Carrara now.
2005-08-06 18:06:36
203.   King of the Hobos
San Diego took a 3-2 lead, not what we needed by any means
2005-08-06 18:06:57
204.   ddger
200 I wish Tracy will be more bizarre in his moves.
2005-08-06 18:07:00
205.   Uncle Miltie
Don't throw bay a fastball
2005-08-06 18:08:21
206.   King of the Hobos
204 Don't say that. Tracy will misinterpret it, and have Kent bunt with the bases loaded
2005-08-06 18:09:27
207.   Uncle Miltie
Geo imitates Perez's fall and Geo listened when I said no fastballs to Bay. No fastballs to Eldred either.
2005-08-06 18:10:37
208.   ddger
The losing season must be scrambling Tracy's thinking process these days.
2005-08-06 18:11:05
209.   student of the game
207 Geo has a fastball?
2005-08-06 18:11:26
210.   King of the Hobos
And Carrara does a good job of destroying our chances. For some reason, 6 games back seems so much worse than 5
2005-08-06 18:11:32
211.   Uncle Miltie
He throws a fastball and gets hammered...

Geo=Gas can
Tracy=terrible manager

2005-08-06 18:11:33
212.   ddger
207 It doesn't matter what pitch Carrara throws, it's same result.

He should just retire quietly.

2005-08-06 18:12:10
213.   Uncle Miltie
His fastball is Gagne's curveball
2005-08-06 18:13:02
214.   ddger
Tracy decided earlier that this game was lost and he decided that 3 runs was too much to overcome so he let Carrara finish it up.
2005-08-06 18:13:17
215.   Uncle Miltie
The gas can has now tipped over and it's all spilling out
2005-08-06 18:15:00
216.   student of the game
210 At what point will it become okay for the media to openly question Tracy's fitness for managing this ball club? What is the breaking point, 7 games back, 10 games?
2005-08-06 18:15:39
217.   ddger
This game is making me sick. I don't know how much more of this torture I can take.

We have Alvaraz coming in for Carrara?

2005-08-06 18:15:44
218.   King of the Hobos
On the bright side, DePo has a good reason to throw Carrara in a river. Not that he didn't already, but this helps
2005-08-06 18:15:57
219.   Uncle Miltie
Maybe if Geo continues to give up runs Depo will notice and Geo will DFA
2005-08-06 18:17:03
220.   Gen3Blue
Sorry I said this could be a one run game earlier. I didn't foresee the bad defense, and I certainly didn't know we were still using Carrera.
2005-08-06 18:17:53
221.   ddger
219 Remember how long it took to DFA Erickson?

Someone will get injured and Carrara will probably make it through the rest of the season.

2005-08-06 18:19:10
222.   student of the game
219 Depodesta has already given up on watching this team. He is currently touring the minors.
2005-08-06 18:20:11
223.   ddger
Is it SANE move to bring in your mopup pitcher in the 7th inning down by 3 runs.

I guess 3 runs is out of reach for us now.

2005-08-06 18:20:48
224.   King of the Hobos
Bases loaded, 1 out, Eischen Ks Sweeney, then Carrasco forces Loretta to fly out, still 3-2 Pads
2005-08-06 18:21:28
225.   King of the Hobos
Now Saenz hits a homer. Back into slam range (@#$%! Carrara...)
2005-08-06 18:21:36
226.   ddger
Saenz giveth and taketh all night.

Let's use Alvaraz today so Tracy can't use him for a week also.

2005-08-06 18:22:28
227.   Uncle Miltie
Now he'll think we're back in it so he'll waste the good pitchers
2005-08-06 18:23:41
228.   King of the Hobos
Perez blisters it into a glove
2005-08-06 18:24:17
229.   King of the Hobos
Has Edwards done anything in RF today?
2005-08-06 18:25:53
230.   Uncle Miltie
The kid wasn't THAT impressive.
2005-08-06 18:26:50
231.   King of the Hobos
Guzman (yes, Christian) just hit a deep fly ball that Giles somehow caught before crashing into the wall. He looked just like a racecar, his momentum kept him crashing into the wall for about 10 ft, didn't look too fun
2005-08-06 18:28:39
232.   ddger
Too bad our rally might fall short because of Geo.
2005-08-06 18:28:50
233.   Uncle Miltie
Navarro is a professional hitter
2005-08-06 18:35:30
234.   coachjpark
Wasn't the whole point of putting Schmoll in for the save yesterday to REST the bullpen so we don't have to throw Carrara?

Brilliant, Tracy, brilliant...

2005-08-06 18:38:36
235.   ddger
Tracy needs to go but who is available to take over right now.

Guess we'll just have to sink or swim with Tracy this season.

2005-08-06 18:39:56
236.   regfairfield
235 - A goldfish generally would do a better job than Tracy.
2005-08-06 18:42:14
237.   natepurcell
has this been answered yet, why is repko in left field and edwards in right?

shouldnt it be the other way around?

2005-08-06 18:44:09
238.   King of the Hobos
237 Left field is big here, a lot of ground to cover
2005-08-06 18:44:45
239.   Uncle Miltie
Perez will be benched for the next week for not making that play
2005-08-06 18:46:46
240.   ddger
237 Tracy wanted to trick the Pirates into hitting to LF thinking it was Edwards. :)

One of Tracy's endless mind games this season.

2005-08-06 18:48:12
241.   Uncle Miltie
Maybe Alvarez will change his mind and retire..
2005-08-06 18:49:47
242.   ddger
241 Hopefully, right after this game.

Carrara can join him also so he won't get so lonely.

2005-08-06 18:51:24
243.   ddger
No, I doubt it. We're not that lucky this year.
2005-08-06 18:52:59
244.   King of the Hobos
Good to know Choi is the choice hitter in this close game...
2005-08-06 18:56:12
245.   ddger
Now Choi is only used as PH when the game is out of reach.
2005-08-06 18:59:17
246.   dzzrtRatt
The Fire Jim Tracy clock just moved ahead by a minute. It's 11:58.
2005-08-06 19:04:35
247.   coachjpark
Choi has solid at-bats when he pinch-hits... always sees 6-8 pitches...

Therefore, he will remain in his "newfound role as a pinch-hitter."

Blasted media that knows nothing...

2005-08-06 19:06:31
248.   natepurcell
i really dont understand how choi has been regulated to pinch hitting appearances. a choi/saenz platoon worked very well. no need to toss phillips in there.
2005-08-06 19:07:25
249.   ddger
246 Does it mean we only have 2 more games to wait?
2005-08-06 19:21:09
250.   Uncle Miltie
I would love to see Depo trade for Gathright. The guy has amazing speed...he can steal on pitchouts
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2005-08-06 19:51:27
251.   natepurcell
in the double header, guzman with a homerun. loney with another hit. laroche got HBP on the wrist and had to leave the game.
2005-08-06 19:58:04
252.   Bob Timmermann
So if the Angels lose tonight, they will be tied with Oakland? Oh well, no worries.

I should be home tomorrow for some of the game. Which means I will be getting up in the wee hours of the morning.

Fearing Blue and I took in a Blue Jays-Yankees game at Rogers Centre, had a nice dinner and got to watch the bottom of the 8th and the top of the 9th.

We're in Acceptance.

2005-08-06 20:02:01
253.   fanerman
Where's the quote where Jim Tracy says "you have to do what's best for your team"?

All this stuff makes me want to throw up...

2005-08-06 20:09:35
254.   jpeace
Anyone know if there is an A's blog that is worth reading? I may have to switch over to get my baseball fix. Seeing the word "Tracy" too many times is becoming bad for my health.
2005-08-06 20:15:32
255.   regfairfield

Good blog, but the quality of the comments is much lower since it's such a massive site.

2005-08-06 20:17:53
256.   jpeace
2005-08-06 22:21:17
257.   Jon Weisman
Just got home. This was one grim night of comments. Just my opinion, but I think more people need to go into Acceptance that this isn't a very good team right now, independent of whether they still have a shot at the division title or not.
2005-08-06 22:28:52
258.   Jon Weisman
That may have come out wrong. I wasn't meaning to criticize anybody - just feeling bad so many were so miserable.
2005-08-06 22:42:40
259.   Linkmeister
Bob, did they change the name from Skydome to Rogers Centre, or has ESPN gotten it wrong all these years?
2005-08-06 22:58:16
260.   fanerman
I think people aren't willing to go into acceptance because they feel that the team that should be on the field is better than the one being fielded right now. So even though we realize that we're a pretty bad team, we're frustrated that the team could be and should be better. It's hard to go into Acceptance when we're thinking "if Choi and Perez just played every day/Carrara didn't come into every close game/etc." Even though the difference between the ideal line-up and the current line-up probably isn't THAT big.
2005-08-06 23:46:45
261.   Louis in SF
I think Faneman has it about right, but I have a few tweeks on the subject. The injuries have hurt pardon the pun big time and the overall consistancy of the inconsistancy has been staggering. I wish I could get an answer about some of Tracy's choices which in my mind make less sense each day, especially with regards to Choi (the team is bad it needs power=Choi should platoon with Saenz at 1b, rotate Phillips and Navarro and be done with it) But it ain't happening and while many want to run Tracy out for this and other moves there has not been a peep out of the front office.

So the only conclusion I can come to is that the DePo is letting Tracy drown on his own and at the end of the year will say he wants to go in another direction and put his own man in-perhaps Ron Washington from the A's, but it strikes me that DePo is not passive and by giving Tracy enough rope to hang himself, he can then choose his own man for manager!

2005-08-07 00:23:24
262.   rageon
I only started posting here a couple months ago, but as the Dodgers get worse and worse, it certainly gets harder to have much to say about them. For me, it's more about acceptance that the players I would like to see the team playing are not going to be in the lineup, at least not for the rest of the season. There's just only so many times I can post "JT is an idiot, he needs to start playing Choi."

I've been a Dodger fan for all but the first few of my 27 years, but I'll admit to drifting away starting with the Fox/Malone and then Daly eras. Mostly it was because I was starting to learn about statistics and saw that the team was, for lack of a better description, doing some pretty dumb things. So from 1998 until 2003, I slowly started watching Oakland more and more, and LA less and less. When Depo took over, I had hope once again that my long-time favorite team, in any sport, would start doing things in an interesting and intelligent way. It's better, at least in the offseason moves and the few trades, but they aren't using what they do have to its potential. I'm sure where the problem is, but until it's fixed, it's really hard to get into following the Dodgers.

Two of the Dodgers top 4 healthy hitters do not play very often (Saenz & Choi). The worst hitters on the entire roster play far more than Choi (Izturis, Robles, Repko, Phillips). There's just no way to rationalize that. It's stupid, plain and simple. And until it's fixed, LA is going to be a .500 or worse team.

This, combined with Oakland (who I'm guessing a lot of others here are fans of as well) going on another sick 2nd-half run, just makes talking about the Dodgers a little depressing.

2005-08-07 01:04:42
263.   Bob Timmermann
SkyDome became Rogers Centre this year when the owner (a Mr. Rogers) bought the stadium.
2005-08-07 06:23:41
264.   Colorado Blue
It appears Tracy fell asleep in the bottom of the 7th... is he going to just sleep in the dugout until tomorrow's (today's) game?

It's the only reason I can think of that he left Gio in the entire inning.

2005-08-07 08:53:38
265.   molokai
This is getting scary. I just woke up and realized I had a dream where Repko misplayed another fly ball and Steve Lyons said "that is a rare occurance".
2005-08-07 09:58:01
266.   Howard Fox
265 - it is a rare only happens once a game

264 - Tracy puts in Gio and Alvarez in games he believes we won't win

2005-08-07 10:15:20
267.   Linkmeister
Bob, thanks. I heard it and didn't know when it had happened.

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