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The Break Didn't Help
2005-08-07 08:43
by Jon Weisman

Today's Game

Opponents are OPSing .809 against the Dodgers in 22 games since the All-Star Break and have stolen 25 bases in 29 attempts. The team is 9-13.

Comments (198)
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2005-08-07 09:19:44
1.   Vishal
this team doesn't need a break; it needs euthanasia.

figuratively speaking, of course.

2005-08-07 09:20:37
2.   heato
Weaver must be too hurt to bat if Tracy had to resort to putting Choi at first.
2005-08-07 09:26:00
3.   heato
Don't know if it was discussed yesterday, but does anyone know if LaRoche is okay? The Suns game report said that he was hit by a pitch on his right wrist.
2005-08-07 09:38:35
4.   King of the Hobos
It looks like things are looking up today. Kip Wells was scratched and will be replaced by Ian Snell (5.85 ERA, 20 IP, 11 BBs, 13 Ks, 2 HRs)

Valentin is still suffering from a HBP in Vegas and is day-to-day

2005-08-07 09:49:40
5.   King of the Hobos
Rotoworld either lied to me about Valentin, or he got better quickly

SS Izzy
3B Robles
CF Bradley
2B Kent
RF Ledee
1B Choi
LF Valentin
C Navarro
P Weaver


CF Redman
3B Sanchez
LF Bay
RF Mackowiak
1B Ward
C Doumit
2B Castillo
SS Wilson
P Snell

2005-08-07 09:52:08
6.   King of the Hobos
Frank Robinson decided his best strategy against Peavy was to start his entire bench. Why couldn't he give us this lineup?

2B Carroll
SS Guzman
1B Johnson
3B Baerga
CF Church
RF Cepicky
LF Blanco
C Bennett
P Loaiza

2005-08-07 09:53:22
7.   Howard Fox

So what you are saying with all your hard work doing these great analyses the past few days, is that we suck.

Tell us something we don't already know.


2005-08-07 09:55:09
8.   Howard Fox
4 - looking up? we have a habit of making new young and old faded pitchers look like Sandy Koufax...we do better against the Clemens', Martinez' and Schmidt's of the world.
2005-08-07 10:01:48
9.   Howard Fox
The LA Times today makes it a point that it is our offense and defense that is letting us down. I beg to differ.

It is our pitching, plain and simple. We are still scoring 4+ runs a game. Decent, not even good or great, pitching, and we probably have another 8-10 wins.


2005-08-07 10:25:12
10.   Tokyo
Anyone have access to ESPN Insider? I really wanted to read Neyer's criticism of the Dodger's lineup. Thanks.
2005-08-07 10:29:11
11.   regfairfield
10 - It's nothing we don't already know, and is uninformed for a Neyer piece. Bascially, Izturis has no right to be a leadoff hitter, Repko, Robles, and others have no right starting on a major league team, and Phillips is the worst first baseman in baseball.

He makes no mention of the fact we have far better alternatives on the bench.

2005-08-07 10:49:55
12.   fanerman
Choi is starting?!!?

Is Saenz injured?

2005-08-07 10:55:16
13.   King of the Hobos
12 Something must have happened...but with that K in the second, Choi has already assured he will not start for the rest of this month
2005-08-07 10:59:40
14.   LAT
If Dodgers lose and Giants win, its 4th place and closong in on the Rocks.
2005-08-07 11:01:05
15.   Bob Timmermann
Like MacArthur, I have returned!

As for the Neyer piece, Fearing Blue talked to Rob in Toronto at length about the piece and he can probably fill us in on it when he gets back to his home du jour.

He's in the process of moving.

2005-08-07 11:02:44
16.   Bob Timmermann
If the Giants win today, they will need a lot of help. The Astros are starting Clemens and the Giants were supposed to start Tomko, but he's now doubtful and Felipe Alou still doesn't have a starter.

I don't know if I want to see Felipe Alou improvise in this department.

2005-08-07 11:05:12
17.   Linkmeister
16 Maybe they'll try to activate that statue of Marichal.

Thanks for the explanation of "Rogers Centre," Bob.

2005-08-07 11:05:38
18.   LAT
If that's the case, does Alou have an option other than Reiter?
2005-08-07 11:07:10
19.   dzzrtRatt
Not even reading the Neyer piece, I'm glad the Dodger lineup issue is out there and becoming part of the conventional wisdom. If gives DePo a little more support if he decides to pull the trigger on Tracy before the season's over. He thinks the media will crucify him (probably some bad advice from Sitrick). Now he can proceed with a little more confidence.

Ten more seconds added to the Fire Jim Tracy Clock.

2005-08-07 11:08:33
20.   Bob Timmermann
17 You're welcome. And nearly everybody in Toronto still calls the place SkyDome. The Rogers Centre name is not very popular. A lot of people think it makes the place seem like a mall.

Fearing Blue and I sat in section 535, row 21 for Saturday's game.

Let's just say that it was a good thing Randy Johnson is really tall because it was hard to make out many other players from that height. Those seats were really high. Possibly even higher than the seats in red section at Dodger Stadium.


2005-08-07 11:13:28
21.   fanerman
Bases loaded for Kent with no outs off of 4 straight singles, including one of the bunt variety (Robles).
2005-08-07 11:13:44
22.   Bob Timmermann
Pads lead 1-0 on a Peavy RBI single.
2005-08-07 11:14:25
23.   bokonon42
No homer, Choi. We gotta keep this rally going.
2005-08-07 11:14:58
24.   LAT
This is the moment all the Choi watchers have been waiting for. . .
2005-08-07 11:16:30
25.   LAT
and he gets teh job done.
2005-08-07 11:17:11
26.   King of the Hobos
Choi gets a hit with RISP!

Peavy drove in a run for the Pads, 1-0

2005-08-07 11:18:35
27.   fanerman
Excellent. Took me awhile to get what happened... updates seem to be slower than usual today.

No home runs yet. Is this "smart ball"?

2005-08-07 11:19:15
28.   King of the Hobos
27 If smart ball is singles up the middle, then yes
2005-08-07 11:19:21
29.   Bob Timmermann
I had a feeling that Snell wasn't going to last long since he had pitched in relief recently.

So on the drive in, Rick Monday said Ian Snell was born Ian Oquendo, but changed his name to Snell when he got married.

Why would the Oquendo family of Delaware be naming their son Ian?

2005-08-07 11:19:23
30.   fanerman
Hmm... this is a pretty good line-up. Robles over Perez is understandable given defense, but Perez starting would be nice. Otherwise... this is about as good a line-up as it gets.
2005-08-07 11:25:39
31.   King of the Hobos
Eric Young just hit one of the ugliest homers I've ever seen, 2-0 Pads
2005-08-07 11:25:43
32.   Mark Joseph
29 And Vladimir Guerrero? I knew a guy once named Juan Fong.
2005-08-07 11:26:12
33.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Padres on a homer by Eric Young.
2005-08-07 11:28:13
34.   Bob Timmermann
32 I expect odder names coming from Latin American countries. After all, in Yhency we trust.

But these people are from Delaware!

Is Delaware part of the United States? Does it really exist? Can anyone send me definitve physical proof that there is a state of Delaware? I think it's all made up.

2005-08-07 11:29:17
35.   Suffering Bruin
Just tuning in...

On Gamecast, Choi's two-run single is not in bold letters but all other run scoring plays are.


2005-08-07 11:32:40
36.   Icaros
Hey folks, I missed class the day we learned to make those underlined reference numbers. Can I look at somebody's notes?
2005-08-07 11:33:29
37.   dzzrtRatt
Delaware is a Caribbean island where many U.S. corporations incorporate because of the favorable tax and regulatory environment. Great place to eat perch. The local beer is called "Budweiser." The women are famous world-wide for not being particularly beautiful.
2005-08-07 11:33:59
38.   King of the Hobos
36 just put it in brackets, ex: [#]
2005-08-07 11:34:02
39.   Suffering Bruin
And you call yourself an educator...

Seriously, I don't know how to do this but it looks cool...

2005-08-07 11:34:32
40.   Suffering Bruin
38 thanks!
2005-08-07 11:34:33
41.   dzzrtRatt
lowercase bracket no space number no space lowercase close bracket.
2005-08-07 11:34:49
42.   Mark Joseph
34 Well, there's that song that goes "What did Delaware, what did Del-a-ware boy, what did Delaware? She wore a brand New Jersey". Hard to see how that could have been thought up had no Delaware ever existed.

6-0 after three. The only suspense is, "Will Weaver toss a perfecto?" and "Will the Madres lose?"

2005-08-07 11:34:53
43.   Icaros
38 Amazing technology. Thanks.
2005-08-07 11:35:32
44.   bokonon42
[36] Enclose the number of the post you wish to link to in brackets.
2005-08-07 11:36:32
45.   Icaros
39 I'm officially a former educator now. I'm allowed to be as ignorant and uninformed as I want to be.
2005-08-07 11:36:42
46.   Steelyeri
Hey guys, got home just in time to watch the runs start to pour. What's with the yellow wristbands everyone is wearing?
2005-08-07 11:37:22
47.   Mark Joseph
43 "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
2005-08-07 11:37:33
48.   Icaros
Man, what a helpful bunch. You guys are like the United Way.
2005-08-07 11:38:10
49.   King of the Hobos
46 Cancer awareness. It's league-wide, every team is doing it
2005-08-07 11:39:31
50.   Bob Timmermann
I find it funny that it's the bottom of the fifth in Toronto. The Yankees are ahead 5-0. Toronto starter, Josh Towers, has thrown 83 pitchers.

Yankee starter Al Leiter has given up just three hits, but has thrown nearly the same number of pitches.

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2005-08-07 11:39:41
51.   Steelyeri
49 I see. Thank you.
2005-08-07 11:39:45
52.   Suffering Bruin
So on a lark I decided to ask my captive students at Hollywood High School about baseball. I'm doing my distric intern observation there where the dropout rates and failing grades are both approaching 50%(!) and I had a free moment and took a poll of favorite sports.

1. football (11 votes)
2. soccer (8 votes)
3. basketball (7 votes)
4. NASCAR (1 vote)
5. Baseball (1 vote)

2005-08-07 11:40:33
53.   Suffering Bruin
Thre goes the no-no...
2005-08-07 11:40:59
54.   King of the Hobos
Dang Bay, but oh well. Too bad for Weaver, he should try the perfecto against a better team
2005-08-07 11:41:00
55.   Bob Timmermann
Kids at Hollywood High like football? Really?

Haven't the Sheiks gone winless for 2-3 years? I covered that team once. I felt so sorry for them.

2005-08-07 11:41:12
56.   Steelyeri
42 Thanks for jinxing it for me.
2005-08-07 11:41:22
57.   Suffering Bruin
39 did you ever do any private tutoring?
2005-08-07 11:42:54
58.   King of the Hobos
Now Nady has homered, 3-0 Pads
2005-08-07 11:43:40
59.   Icaros
57 Are you asking yourself questions again, SB?
2005-08-07 11:44:18
60.   Suffering Bruin
55 They are still winless, from what I understand. They were speaking of the pro game in the class I was teaching. Or more accurately the homeroom; I just did it as an activity. The teacher didn't show, the sub didn't want to do anything so I thought a poll would be interesting. I talked to one kid who plays on the team. He said he's getting really, really tired of the losing.
2005-08-07 11:44:21
61.   Steelyeri
2005-08-07 11:44:21
62.   dzzrtRatt
52 if you polled your students about their music tastes, the result would probably be equally depressing. Baseball is a becoming a cult, like Brazilian music. I have no idea how they're going to pay all those insane player salaries when my son's generation moves into the dominant consumer role. No one will want to advertise on baseball games unless they're selling Depends.
2005-08-07 11:45:18
63.   Icaros
57 I haven't done at-home private tutoring, but I've done a lot of one-on-one at a couple of college writing centers.
2005-08-07 11:45:31
64.   King of the Hobos
The As really like the Royals. Even the Royals best pitcher this year (Hernandez) is getting hammered, 7 runs in 1+ IP, and he's long gone
2005-08-07 11:46:25
65.   Suffering Bruin
57 if you didn't notice, 39 is trying to communicate a question to 45 via post 57. Now if you'll kindly avoid interrupting...
2005-08-07 11:47:29
66.   Suffering Bruin
See? 63 came through! Gosh, bracketing be fun!

I ask because a buddy wants to know how much I charge.

2005-08-07 11:49:05
67.   Bob Timmermann
Funny thing is that I like sort of like Brazilian music.
2005-08-07 11:49:08
68.   King of the Hobos
Is there a reason why Choi has his pocket out? Was his swing that hard?
2005-08-07 11:49:36
69.   Jim Hitchcock
34 Bob, I'm a Delaware Indian, and I don't use make up.
2005-08-07 11:49:50
70.   Icaros
62 I hope dzzrtRatt is right. One of my ultimate fantasies is to be the only person at a major-league baseball game.
2005-08-07 11:49:54
71.   Suffering Bruin

When he's not getting on base, he's getting the productive out.

2005-08-07 11:51:17
72.   Suffering Bruin
62 speaking of music, who can tell me what reggaeton is?
2005-08-07 11:51:34
73.   Icaros
66 I'd say $50/hr.
2005-08-07 11:52:26
74.   Suffering Bruin
2005-08-07 11:53:11
75.   Bob Timmermann
2005-08-07 11:53:21
76.   Icaros
Reggaeton was an evil Jamaican robot that the Superfriends battled a few years back.
2005-08-07 11:54:25
77.   Bob Timmermann
The Giants starting pitcher today is ....

Brian Cooper.

Born in Hollywood in 1974. Went to high school in Glendora and then pitched for USC.

2005-08-07 11:55:36
78.   fanerman
Valentin has walked 3 times.
2005-08-07 11:56:55
79.   Suffering Bruin
Since the Superfriends are no more and Reggaeton is apparently alive and well, I'll assume the battle did not end well for the powers of good...
2005-08-07 11:58:15
80.   Icaros
79 I believe the Superfriends are on DVD now.


2005-08-07 11:59:24
81.   Jim Hitchcock
Bob, you may have said this, but who won the Toronto/Yankee game yesterday?
2005-08-07 11:59:44
82.   Suffering Bruin
Then the battle continues!

Seriously, I'm too lazy to look up Wiki with four windows open, Basie providing music and my first time on DT in a month. So I'll ask this: is reggaeton worth listening to? I've never heard of it.

2005-08-07 12:02:38
83.   King of the Hobos
77 Brian Cooper vs Roger Clemens (on the road). I can't see how the Giants plan to pull this one out, they might as well use the Nats strategy and start the entire bench
2005-08-07 12:02:39
84.   Suffering Bruin
Okay, there's this from Bob's link:

"Reggaeton songs cover topics ranging from the realities of street life to personal misunderstandings, gangs, love, and dancing.

It is a very popular choice of music in parties and is usually danced by members of the opposite sex grinding "doggie style"."

2005-08-07 12:02:46
85.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are presently 49-61. They have 52 games left (including this one.)

The best 52-game stretches of any LA Dodger team is 38-14, which the Dodgers did in 1974 and 1985.

Their best 52-game streaks to end a season were 33-19 in 1976, 1965, and 1978.

The worst 52-game streak to finish the season was 17-35 in 1992.

So if the Dodgers went 38-14 to finish the year, they would be 87-75. A 33-19 finish would get them to 82-80.

2005-08-07 12:03:12
86.   Mark Joseph
Monday & Downing just mentioned Stargell's two home runs hit out of Dodger stadium, off of Andy Messersmith and Alan Foster. I know the only other two home runs ever hit out of Dodger stadium were hit by Mike Piazza and Mark McGwire. Does anybody know which pitchers were the victims of those two long balls?
2005-08-07 12:04:53
87.   Bob Timmermann
Toronto won 8-5 yesterday. Randy Johnson looked awful.

Al Leiter went 5 2/3 innings and gave up no runs today. And threw 102 pitches.

2005-08-07 12:05:39
88.   Bob Timmermann
Piazza's homer was given up Frank Castillo of Colordao.

McGwire's homer was given up by the immortal Jamie Arnold.

2005-08-07 12:06:32
89.   Suffering Bruin
Timmerman is Wikipedia.
2005-08-07 12:10:46
90.   Bob Timmermann
Unlike Wikipedia, I don't accept corrections.
2005-08-07 12:11:43
91.   Suffering Bruin
(Let's all be silent as Jeff Weaver paints his 2005 masterpiece of a complete game, 72-pitch shutout.)
2005-08-07 12:13:36
92.   King of the Hobos
91 Weaver is one heck of a pitcher if he can get 9 outs on 3 pitches
2005-08-07 12:14:24
93.   Icaros
90 Wouldn't wearing glasses count as accepting corrections?
2005-08-07 12:15:21
94.   Suffering Bruin
92 I'd like to say that it was a typo but in reality, the mistake is entirely consistent with everything else I've posted on this thread so never mind...
2005-08-07 12:16:54
95.   King of the Hobos
Just realized that guy with the smiley face behind the plate isn't there. That explains why Weaver is pitching so much better than the pitchers the last 2 days, he isn't intimidated by that thing
2005-08-07 12:17:13
96.   dzzrtRatt
92 I saw Bugs Bunny do that once.
2005-08-07 12:18:10
97.   Jim Hitchcock
95 - That;s the first thing I looked for. Smiley face was really starting to freak me out.
2005-08-07 12:18:26
98.   Bob Timmermann
90 I really don't need glasses. I just wear them to improve my geek cred.
2005-08-07 12:18:30
99.   Icaros
94 Let's go, Shawn!
2005-08-07 12:19:53
100.   Mark Joseph
88 Wow, Jamie Arnold. Two things about him, from One, he was traded with Jorge Piedra for Ismael Valdes. Two, the pitcher to whom his career was most similar was Reggie (and this name should bring back fond memories here on DT) Grabowski!
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2005-08-07 12:20:11
101.   Icaros

Glasses? Check.
Librarian? Check.
SABR Convention? Check.

2005-08-07 12:20:40
102.   Suffering Bruin
99 - I think we should keep that one between us. :)
2005-08-07 12:20:55
103.   King of the Hobos
Pads just concluded their sweep of the Nats. Those 6 games might be a little harder to get if the Pads don't lose 10 straight again
2005-08-07 12:22:39
104.   Suffering Bruin
Man, I've missed posting! I mean, there's a reason and all but still, this is fun. It's creating a kind of stir in the mind, a developing epiphanous moment, if you will. It's turning into...


All we need is a cause...

2005-08-07 12:22:48
105.   Bob Timmermann
Some people at the SABR convention, who happened to live on the East Coast, thought that the NL West shouldn't be allowed to get a playoff spot if the champion had a losing record.

I wanted to fight that guy! But it was hot, so I forgot about it.

2005-08-07 12:24:24
106.   fanerman
a DT scouting excursion... if it's towards the end of august, I might be able to go.
2005-08-07 12:25:05
107.   Suffering Bruin
It will be toward the end of August. I'm not done with LAUSD until Auggie 21st.
2005-08-07 12:25:06
108.   Icaros
104 Why don't we scout for teams who would be interested in trading for Perez, Weaver, and/or Lowe.
2005-08-07 12:25:43
109.   Jim Hitchcock
104 - I'm still wondering if SB really had my best interests in mind when he suggested I dive over the rail for a foul ball at the last scouting excursion...
2005-08-07 12:25:48
110.   Icaros
Even though I probably won't be able to go...
2005-08-07 12:27:49
111.   Suffering Bruin
109 All I was saying was that you gotta sacrifice for the group. But I understand, Jim, truly I do...

110 You will be seriously missed. I think you and Julian had more in common than you and I did. 'Cuz he also enjoys Canada. :)

2005-08-07 12:28:06
112.   King of the Hobos
So much for the shutout
2005-08-07 12:31:28
113.   Icaros
111 Has Juilan ever posted on DT?

I'll try to make it, but it will probably require a lot of driving.

2005-08-07 12:31:46
114.   Linkmeister
70 Listen, I went to Islanders games (AAA) at 50,000-seat Aloha Stadium when the average attendance was 2,000. You really don't want to be the only one in the stands. You feel like a complete idiot, and you also feel very sorry for the players, coaches, and even the stadium staff having to work in front of such a paltry bunch of spectators.
2005-08-07 12:31:50
115.   Suffering Bruin
Choi was in the bathroom when the shutout ended. His magic cannot penetrate the bathroom walls.
2005-08-07 12:32:13
116.   Suffering Bruin
I really, really tried to erase that last post!
2005-08-07 12:33:02
117.   Suffering Bruin
Thanks, Chop.
2005-08-07 12:33:12
118.   King of the Hobos
What will Tracy remember, Choi's strikeout or his singles?
2005-08-07 12:34:10
119.   Jim Hitchcock
That was taking scrap to an entirely new level.
2005-08-07 12:34:16
120.   King of the Hobos
Interesting play by Wilson. Too bad it wasn't caught, that would have been one heck of a play
2005-08-07 12:34:22
121.   Suffering Bruin
113 - I don't believe Julian has ever posted.
2005-08-07 12:35:31
122.   Suffering Bruin
Icaros, I think a family member has a free ticket from the north to the south. I'll see if I can get it. Otherwise, we'll set up a wireless connection of some kind... we'll think of something.
2005-08-07 12:35:42
123.   Jim Hitchcock
114 - And that was when they were winning games 74 - 3.
2005-08-07 12:37:16
124.   Jim Hitchcock
123 - Whoops, never mind. I was thinking of UH football.
2005-08-07 12:37:43
125.   Suffering Bruin
118 Choi is having a great game! That's why you can't play him every day.

Right, Jim?

2005-08-07 12:39:13
126.   Suffering Bruin
I now lead Jim in factually challenged/slightly misinformed posts 8-1. There goes my shutout.
2005-08-07 12:40:57
127.   Bob Timmermann
125 Choi is not a thoroughly professional hitter and he has defensive liabilites, witness the line drive that went off of his glove.

Jason Phillips would have caught that liner.

2005-08-07 12:41:45
128.   Jim Hitchcock
125 Right. There are appearances to keep.
2005-08-07 12:44:35
129.   Suffering Bruin
Gotta log off for a awhile. I'm going to try to put together another outing in the meantime.

Would that every game could be like this one...

2005-08-07 12:47:49
130.   King of the Hobos
I'm not sure I'd call Wilson's display of scrappiness a "lap dance from a baseball player" but I'm not Charlie Steiner...
2005-08-07 12:50:59
131.   Jim Hitchcock
130 - I would imagine lap dances where alcohol is served is illegal in Pittburgh.
2005-08-07 12:52:11
132.   Uncle Miltie
Rick Monday
"Jeff Weaver leaves the game having given up 1 hit, 5 runs"
2005-08-07 12:52:47
133.   Bob Timmermann
C'mon, we gotta have something to complain about!
2005-08-07 12:52:53
134.   Icaros
114 No, you don't understand. I want to be the only person at a game. I want to be The Omega Man of Major League Baseball.

If I'm hungry, I'll stroll into one of the concession stands and grill myself a Dodger Dog.

If I get thirsty, I'll pour myself a souvenier-cup full of beer.

I can sit wherever I want, and I'll be shown on Diamondvision in between every inning, since I'm the only fan in attendance.

I can't wait for 2025!

2005-08-07 12:55:43
135.   Jim Hitchcock
134 - It would be interesting to watch Icaros timing the wave under those circumstances.
2005-08-07 12:55:53
136.   Bob Timmermann
If Icaros is the Omega Man of Baseball, then I will be the Matthias of Baseball.
2005-08-07 12:59:47
137.   King of the Hobos
This was suppose to be over...why did Brazoban come in? Why is he still out there?
2005-08-07 13:02:34
138.   King of the Hobos
133 Got your wish. Happy?
2005-08-07 13:04:58
139.   King of the Hobos
This is seriously not cool
2005-08-07 13:06:32
140.   Bob Timmermann
I feel much better now. Remember last year when the Dodgers blew a big lead late against the Pirates when no reliever could find the plate. The Dodgers won that one in extra innings.
2005-08-07 13:06:47
141.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Save us, Steve.
2005-08-07 13:07:04
142.   Uncle Miltie
Schmoll should have come in to pitch to Doumit.
2005-08-07 13:07:27
143.   Suffering Bruin
Re: 129

I'm a walking, talking, posting jinx.

2005-08-07 13:09:11
144.   Bob Timmermann

That's the spirit!

2005-08-07 13:10:36
145.   Suffering Bruin
2005-08-07 13:11:14
146.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
2005-08-07 13:11:16
147.   Bob Timmermann
It's a Schmoll world after all. It's a Schmoll world after all. It's a Schmoll world after all. It's a Schmoll, Schmoll, Schmoll world!

Should I continue?

2005-08-07 13:11:47
148.   popup
Welcome back Bob. While you have been gone I have tried my hand at a Sandy Koufax Dodger game from the past in an attempt to keep the seat warm for you. Here is my offering for today:

Game from the past:

The Sandy Koufax time machine lands on the year 1957 with the Dodgers in their last year in Brooklyn for a match up with the Chicago Cubs at Ebbets Field. Sandy is on the mound on June 4th to face Dick Drott in an evening game.

Brooklyn took an early lead in the first thanks to the wildness of Drott and a bases loaded double by Roy Campanella to drive home two runs. The Dodgers scored their final run of the evening in the fifth when Gil Hodges homered to give Sandy a seven run lead.

Showing the ability that would make him a star in Los Angeles, Sandy took a no-hitter into the sixth inning. The no-hitter and shutout were ended with one swing of the bat in the sixth when Bob Speake drilled a two run homerun over the right field wall. Later, in the eighth inning, Ernie Banks hit a three run homerun against Sandy to cut the lead to two runs. With two out in the eighth, Clem Labine replaced Sandy to get the last four outs of the ballgame, preserving a 7-5 Dodger victory.

Thanks to old time radio collectors who have preserved historic baseball broadcasts for all of us, to retrosheet, Bob Timmermann and Jon

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-07 13:12:18
149.   Jim Hitchcock
147 - Suggest you segue into `I've lost that Yhency feeling...'
2005-08-07 13:12:40
150.   King of the Hobos
Now that Schmoll got 2 unconventional saves in the series (3 total), does Tracy name him the closer anytime soon? I feel slightly better with him pitching over Brazoban, mostly because he can fool batters, and has been our best reliever in the second half
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2005-08-07 13:13:32
151.   Uncle Miltie
Schmolly Schmolly Schmolly!
2005-08-07 13:13:41
152.   Suffering Bruin
It's a world of tension, this game we play.
It's a world where closers give games away.
But when the tying run is on, when the game is almost done, it's a Schmoll, Schmoll world!


2005-08-07 13:15:39
153.   Suffering Bruin
Yhency's ERA is now 5.67.


2005-08-07 13:15:55
154.   Bob Timmermann
The Astros are already leading 1-0.

Rueter was put on the DL today. I'm sure this will greatly affect the NL West pennant race.

2005-08-07 13:16:38
155.   Linkmeister
Is Yhency just grooving the ball with two strikes? Sheesh.

In light of the Schmoll world theme, should the Dodgers get a reliever's cart that looks like the ones at Disneyland? (Whatever happened to those carts teams used to have, anyway?)

2005-08-07 13:18:47
156.   King of the Hobos
154 Randy Winn greets Clemens with a triple, Clemens better pitch a typical Clemens road game...
2005-08-07 13:26:56
157.   Bob Timmermann
I wasn't following all the transactions carefully, but I read that Arizona extended Tony Clark's contract for two years?

Do they really think that Tony Clark will be this productive for two more years?

2005-08-07 13:46:03
158.   ddger
Another day of postponing acceptance?
2005-08-07 13:47:37
159.   ddger
Is Tracy waiting till Braz's ERA is over 6.00 before turning to Schmoll as closer?
2005-08-07 13:58:43
160.   confucius
Tony Clark is never going to have another year like this. They shouldn't have extended him.
Does anyone know what the timetable is for J.D. Drew? I haven't heard anything in a while.
2005-08-07 14:09:39
161.   King of the Hobos
160 A Tracy quote from Friday's notes:

"No word right now," Tracy explained. "Because it's rehab, it's not baseball-related activity, and that's the way it was earlier in the year when we would not say a whole lot with regard to Bako or somebody like that."

This was an injury update on both Werth and Drew, and it really wasn't specific who Tracy was talking about, but I think it was Drew. Doesn't sound too reassuring

2005-08-07 14:24:02
162.   Steve
So we've turned the other team into a collective Hee Seop Choi since the All-Star Break, and we're 9-13 (now 10, I guess.) Who knew?
2005-08-07 14:30:23
163.   Mark
2005-08-07 14:38:15
164.   King of the Hobos
Anthony Raglani, who has emerged as one of the Dodgers' better OF prospects, went 3-5 and missed the cycle by a single. His homer was an inside-the-park homer, good for his 12th of the season. He's now batting .288/.382/.470 in 330 ABs for Vero Beach this year
2005-08-07 15:17:41
165.   deburns
151 Was that a reference to the Al Jolson imitation of National Lampoon? Joelly, Joelly, they wanted Joelly!
As to being the only person at the game, I recall going to A's games in the (bad) Finley era when you would tell friends to meet you "on the third base side". No need to talk about section --- there would be only several hundred people there.
I would definitely be up for another scouting expedition.
2005-08-07 16:11:39
166.   Identity Crisis
Anyone going to listen to the Suns game right now?
2005-08-07 16:18:42
167.   b1ued0dger
I am, and Laroche is not in the lineup again.
2005-08-07 16:21:37
168.   b1ued0dger
Suns score on a wild pitch.
2005-08-07 16:33:31
169.   King of the Hobos
That's one of the most boring Suns lineups. Only 4 of the players are really prospects, and Ruggiano and Hanrahan are fringe prospects
2005-08-07 16:35:12
170.   King of the Hobos
Also, Giants lost and DBacks won
2005-08-07 17:33:52
171.   Suffering Bruin
Hey! C'mon guys! Only 580 more posts until we break the record! Who's with me?


2005-08-07 17:34:11
172.   Sam DC
I would just like to apologize on behalf of my city and its people for the Washington Nationals' failure to take even a single game from the Padres this weekend, after winning two out of three against the Dodgers. Calls for a recount have so far been ignored, but the possibility of impeachment is being looked into.
2005-08-07 17:46:15
173.   Bob Timmermann
I still hate Frank Robinson so much that I'm not too upset.
2005-08-07 17:54:35
174.   King of the Hobos
171 I'm all for it, but we need a topic of conversation. Maybe Frank Robinson vs Tracy?
2005-08-07 17:57:53
175.   Bob Timmermann


Every time. Robinson's personnel choices and strategies are even more bizarre than Tracy's and Robinson is a distinctly unpleasant individual.

2005-08-07 18:15:45
176.   Sam DC
Tracy. Has the same name as my wife. Oh, and Robinson is nuts. Of his many problems, probably most offensive to me is the way Robinson continually runs down his players in the papers and hashes out team business through the media. (e.g., "Marlon Byrd turned his back on me when I told him he was being sent down"). That just bugs me, and seems pretty inappropriate too. Take Okha. Okha for Junior Spivey was a reasonable enough deal, but one wonders if more could've been had for him if the rest of the league didn't know he and Frank were on the outs and Okha had to be traded for clubhouse reasons. Frank is treated as the ultimate Old School guy, but these very not old school to me.

576 (or so) to go!

2005-08-07 18:17:27
177.   popup
Sam, no apology needed. I am probably in the minority here, but I would not mind the Padres going on a long winning streak, except when they play the Dodgers. If the Dodgers keep pace, then maybe there can be a legit pennant race. If they don't keep pace, then DePo can get to work and see what he can get for Weaver and some others. I would rather see a traditional pennant race than this daily test to see how many games the Dodgers can lose and still remain in contention.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-07 18:22:38
178.   ddger
The number of posts probably correspond to how many controversial moves Tracy makes each game and whether we lost or not.

Since we won today and Tracy didn't make too many strange moves, number of posts were pretty low.

2005-08-07 18:31:52
179.   Identity Crisis
Kuo is in for Jax
2005-08-07 18:41:30
180.   dzzrtRatt
177 I think the Weaver door is closed. His contract is up in two months. Any team could claim him off waivers for the pro-rated remains of an $8 million salary, i.e. not a hell of a lot, and then he's a free agent. No, if we were going to pick up some value for Weaver, that would've had to occur by July 31. Now we just play out the year, and then DePo decides whether to offer arbitration, sign him to a new deal or cut him loose, which would yield an extra draft choice.
2005-08-07 18:47:43
181.   Steve
Frank Robinson at manager = Jason Phillips at first base. Washington fans should be outraged.
2005-08-07 18:48:38
182.   King of the Hobos
We would have to offer him arbitration to get the draft pick. But with Boras, the $10 million in arbitration for one year wouldn't be too bad. He'd serve as a stopgap until guys like Billingsley are ready.
2005-08-07 18:52:19
183.   Sam DC
181 There will be no outrage -- not this ear, anyhow. The honeymoon bestowed on Robinson by the 50 win "playing the game the way it should be played" first half is just unshakeable. Winning then was on Robinson; losing now is on the players.
2005-08-07 18:54:11
184.   Steve
I agree with 182. The upside of Weaver is that he has pitched himself into a position where this is a win/win for the Dodgers. Offer him arby; if he accepts (which almost certainly won't happen), he gets one year at eight to ten million, which is certainly better than four for thirty for whatever garbage starters are on the market. If he declines, we send him on his way and get the draft picks. One of the few bright sides.
2005-08-07 18:55:10
185.   Steve
Winning then was on Robinson; losing now is on the players.

A familiar refrain

2005-08-07 19:00:19
186.   Sam DC
um, y ear, obviously. (183)
2005-08-07 19:10:51
187.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have another inherent advantage over Washington.

The Dodgers have an owner. We may not like the owner. We may not think he is well-capitalized. But the Dodgers have an owner.

The Nationals are still a welfare case. There were lots of Washington area people wearing Nationals caps in Toronto for the SABR convention. There were a sizeable number of Expo fans, both from Toronto and Quebec. I wonder if they even talked to those people.

As an aside, there was one woman who gave a presentation on the use of the Dodgers for advertising in Brooklyn. She eventually worked in a gratuitous chance for people to boo the name of Walter O'Malley. One guy cheered. I had to be quiet since I was the moderator and tried to look neutral.

2005-08-07 19:41:05
188.   the OZ
Check out Steve Henson's new Dodger Notes:

DT gets a shout-out, and the Phillips at 1B idea is severaly taken to task by Henson via quotes from Jon and BPro.

2005-08-07 19:45:41
189.   Bob Timmermann
But a lot of my friends who are Dodgers fans, who aren't readers of this site, just aren't all that enamored of Choi.

I doubt Choi is popular with the group of writers who get their letters to the Times Sports Section published.

Meanwhile the Cubs are falling 6 games out of the wild card, with a lot of teams ahead of them. Yet the Cubs think they have a shot at the playoffs. We need to have an intervention with those people and tell them about Acceptance.

It makes life easier.

2005-08-07 19:51:18
190.   Uncle Miltie
Finally someone in the LA media that supports a different way of thinking and also doesn't treat Tracy like the golden child.
2005-08-07 19:57:19
191.   Eric L
This acceptance thing reminds me of a crappy relationship. It's in both parties best interest to part ways. In a mental sense, the couple has already moved on, yet they haven't made the move yet.

But everyonce and a while, something happens that reminds them of the past when things were still good. They hang in their for just a few more days, weeks, whatever even though they still know moving on is for the best.

In other words, acceptance is for the best, but it's hard to do.

2005-08-07 20:09:17
192.   Suffering Bruin
188 Well glory be! I do declare! And other southern sayings, too!

The article confirms what many of us have been saying all along; Tracy doesn't play Choi because Choi doesn't look like a baseball player.

2005-08-07 20:12:34
193.   natepurcell
henson is the messenger of our battle cry! long live our lord and savior!
2005-08-07 20:59:23
194.   coachjpark
I e-mailed Mr. Henson at perhaps that had somewhat of an effect... haha
2005-08-07 21:05:04
195.   bill cox
Just to keep the thread alive with no significant Dodger thoughts other than grave disappointment that Delwyn Young and James Loney both went hitless today so we may be riding this tired nag of AAAA major leaguers a few more times around the track.
#72-Reggaeton was a feature article in USA Today last week(a sure sign its a meaningless musical phenomena)Its apparently a mix of hip hop,reggae and salsa music with a bunch of poseur dj's no one ever heard of.
2005-08-07 21:24:09
196.   Spageticus
Oh yeah, this man is no stranger to the hash pipe.

(Sorry, no earthly clue how to link on here)

2005-08-07 21:31:05
197.   Art H Tracy
140 I was at that game. A no decision for Odalis (Falkenborg got the win.) I remember thinking that Lima would get his walking papers that day.
I also drove my father nuts griping about Tracy playing JE. JE. Ole 363/489 JE.
2005-08-07 22:15:15
198.   King of the Hobos
I was playing around when I discovered Oscar Rivera threw a perfecto today in the Mexican playoffs. He's a 24 yr old lefty who interested me (we have 2 Mexican league alums, why not another?). Anyways, I noticed the name of the cleanup hitter for los Guerreros de Oaxaca (the opposing team) was Angel Pena. Sure enough, it was our old friend. I thought he was long gone by now...

He's listed at 176 lbs, 52 lighter than claims, but it's the same birthdate. He batted .333/.394/.595 this year with 25 homers and 97 RBIs, and he's only 30. I know he was a bust for us, but he had a nice season in the Atlantic League and now for the Mexican League

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