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Thursday Here, Monday Over There
2005-08-11 11:40
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

This morning, you can read me over at Baseball Analysts, where I grabbed the Designated Hitter slot in the lineup with this piece about the complicated presence of Rick Monday in my life as a baseball fan.

It includes the defining moment of my baseball-watching career, and begins thusly ...

Like bellbottoms and white loafers, Rick Monday has drifted in and out of style. On more than one occasion, he has dressed the diamond with aplomb - the most beloved or desired baseball player in the country. At other times, you just want to box him up and cart him off to Goodwill.

From my earliest moments as a baseball fan to today, for 30 of Monday's 40 years in the game, he has been one of the most vexing characters I have witnessed on the baseball stage. And I'm going to tell you why. ...

Thanks to Rich Lederer and Bryan Smith for letting me take a swing.

(And sorry for this morning's site travails. Details, if you want them, are at Fairpole.

* * *

Good day baseball - Angels at Oakland in the battle for first in the American League West. You can follow the game here.

Also, New York Mets vs. San Diego.

Comments (247)
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2005-08-11 11:54:42
1.   Identity Crisis
Last night was rough since I couldn't come on here after seeing Yhency give up that bomb. I bet everyone here probably knew he was going to give that slam up the second they saw Ryan Howard set to the plate.

I'm still on the Schmoll for closer side of the line.

2005-08-11 11:59:52
2.   Identity Crisis
Nice piece over at Baseball analysts.
Whoa...the comments just changed.
2005-08-11 12:06:21
3.   DXMachina
Nice piece, Jon. I felt pretty much the same way about Monday as a player. Much disappointment with his early Dodger career, then forgiving all in '81. This is the first year I've heard him as a broadcaster, and I like him fine as Steiner's color man, but he and Downing just aren't very good together.
2005-08-11 12:06:52
4.   Bob Timmermann
I will answer last night's questions about seeing Tony Bennett at the Hollywood Bowl tonight.

Unless Tony can sing along with Bach and Vivaldi, the answer is no, but I may be going Saturday.

Further research into the "celery stalks at midnight" is that the song and book title is a takeoff on a joke that you would see sometimes in "Blondie". Dagwood would get out of bed and try to sneak off for a snack without making up Blondie. But then he would go eat a piece of celery, which would be loud and would wake her up.

2005-08-11 12:10:06
5.   Yakface
4- Kinda like the bull pen trying to get out of a heavy inning?
2005-08-11 12:15:45
6.   Jon Weisman
Blondie and Dagwood's anniversary party is supposed to be the comic event of the season. The invite list is huge and filled with A-listers.
2005-08-11 12:17:29
7.   Yakface
A-listers like Mark Hammil and Carrie Fisher?
2005-08-11 12:19:03
8.   Jon Weisman
Well, maybe it's more like B-listers. Except for "Dilbert" and "Zits."

http://www.kingfeatures.com/pressrm/rel_205_7_7_2005.htm

2005-08-11 12:21:46
9.   Bob Timmermann
My father, whom I don't think read the comics in the paper, once had a big sandwich and was trying to cut it in to smaller pieces, but instead said, "I guess I'll have to Bumstead it."
2005-08-11 12:21:49
10.   Yakface
Oh I get it strip comic A Listers sorry I read A list and automaticly thought Bruce Campbell.
2005-08-11 12:22:25
11.   Bob Timmermann
The NL West is off to a fast start today.

The Pirates scored 6 in the top of the 1st at Coors.

Good thing the Pirates had their #2 hitter sacrifice in that inning.

2005-08-11 12:26:13
12.   Bob Timmermann
Barring an injury does anyone think the Dodgers are going to make any changes to the roster before September 1 when they can expand the roster?

Is there really a point?

2005-08-11 12:27:31
13.   kegtron
(Sorry if this has been brought up before)

THERE is life after baseball. Former Met Todd Zeile has produced and is distributing a movie, "Dirty Deeds," in which he also appears. The raucous teen comedy opening Aug. 26 is the first venture of Green Diamond Entertainment, which Zeile formed with Yankee slugger Jason Giambi, who is listed as an executive producer. Zeile is hosting two intimate screenings of the film at Soho House in the coming week.

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/51665.htm

2005-08-11 12:28:47
14.   King of the Hobos
12 Werth figures to come back. Other than that, no
2005-08-11 12:29:11
15.   Yakface
Werth comes up and for some reason I have the strange feeling of navarro not repko going down to vegas.
2005-08-11 12:29:36
16.   Bob Timmermann
Todd Zeile's character in the film is called "Mullet".
2005-08-11 12:31:59
17.   molokai
My Dad and I were also at the flag saving game. Over time I had forgotten that he was a Cub then and not a Dodger.

As great as Monday's home run was, it was Fernando pitching on guts who got us to that point. I know many here don't like to think that someone can pitch on guts but maybe they never saw the game in question. I don't know how many years Fernando gave to us and Tommy in the quest for the World Series in 81 but I'm sure he'd trade the years for the championship. Monday got a lucky hit, but Fernando was the man in 81. It may have been the only time in my baseball history that I was rooting against the Expo's as they had become my adopted 2nd favorite team.

As an announcer I can't stand Rick Monday. My wife can't stand Rick Monday. My Dad can't stand Rick Monday. I don't know anyone who thinks Rick Monday is an adequate announcer. Jerry Doggett was Bob Costas compared to Rick Monday and I only tolerated Jerry Doggett because Vin Scully seemed to like him.

2005-08-11 12:32:02
18.   Bob Timmermann
If Navarro goes back, somebody else has to be the backup catcher.

I think Navarro will be up the rest of the year unless he gets hurt.

2005-08-11 12:32:23
19.   Howard Fox
15 - if Navarro goes down, who is the second catcher?
2005-08-11 12:32:58
20.   Howard Fox
18 - yes, this is Navarro's AAA season
2005-08-11 12:33:02
21.   Jon Weisman
I went to the Dirty Deeds website - and the film looks like it needs to be DFAed. But that's just a snap judgment.
2005-08-11 12:33:04
22.   Bob Timmermann
17
My dead mother comes to me in dreams and says that I better not go to hell because they have Rick Monday on the PA system there.
2005-08-11 12:34:11
23.   King of the Hobos
15 Who would become the backup? Werth? Or we could do what we're doing with Navarro, force Phillips to catch everyday hoping he gets injured or too exhausted to play. I'm afraid if DePo gets rid of Repko, Tracy will get his revenge by using Weaver in the OF, a la Loduca and Choi
2005-08-11 12:36:10
24.   Jon Weisman
"As great as Monday's home run was, it was Fernando pitching on guts who got us to that point. I know many here don't like to think that someone can pitch on guts but maybe they never saw the game in question. "

What does pitching on guts mean? It's a metaphor for having the physical and mental abilities to pitch when you don't have your best stuff. I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that's possible. Not coincidentally, great pitchers like Fernando pitched well on guts and, um, off guts - until they couldn't.

2005-08-11 12:36:30
25.   Yakface
Werth Up Repko Down Werth DL'd Repko Up
2005-08-11 12:38:49
26.   Eric Enders
"Intimate screenings" -- what, do you get to make out with Todd Zeile?
2005-08-11 12:40:13
27.   Eric Enders
Jon's article, BTW, is the first I'd heard of the real story on the flag burners. I had read elsewhere that they were Cuban-Americans and the protest was somehow related to Castro.
2005-08-11 12:40:23
28.   Jon Weisman
Wouldn't Zeile be perfect for speed dating? Just like his career - five minutes, then a new team, I mean date.
2005-08-11 12:40:25
29.   molokai
I'm sure glad that the Padre's traded Jason Bay. They should lose Giles next season as I can't imagine him signing with the Pod's leaving a huge hole in the outfield.
2005-08-11 12:41:34
30.   Eric Enders
22-- Um, Bob, I don't mean to pry -- but why is your mother in hell?
2005-08-11 12:42:26
31.   molokai
24
Right, that is why your the writer and I'm just a poster.
2005-08-11 12:42:29
32.   fanerman
Navarro stays, though given what Tracy did (did anybody think he'd start Phillips on a regular basis?), I'd rather make Phillips catch if that means at least Saenz can play 1B.
2005-08-11 12:42:31
33.   Jon Weisman
Like I said, Bob supplied me the newspaper clips. I couldn't quite believe that it was father and son. I also wondered if they were related to the filmmaker Errol Morris.
2005-08-11 12:43:51
34.   kegtron
21

I think it might be worth it just for the unintentional comedy. Check out this snapshot:

http://www.filmstew.com/Users/DailyNews/8921/ziele.jpg

"Zeile as a celluloid bum"

Thats exactly how I remember him!

2005-08-11 12:45:02
35.   rageon
I never thought I'd say this, but I miss Mike Rose.
2005-08-11 12:45:46
36.   Eric Enders
That photo of Zeile is extremely amusing.
2005-08-11 12:47:56
37.   Bob Timmermann
30
She's not. She just was passing on cautionary information she picked up from others.

27
I remembered it as that they were protesting the treatment of Native Americans. I guess I confused them with Marlon Brando and his Oscar for "The Godfather".

2005-08-11 12:49:20
38.   Eric Enders
Although Sacheen Littlefeather on the Dodger Stadium playing field would have been pretty funny.
2005-08-11 12:50:17
39.   King of the Hobos
Vlad put the Angels up 1-0
2005-08-11 12:54:50
40.   Sam DC
It would've been a great Rashomon moment to have gotten everyone's recollection of that incident before Jon's piece. I would have said that Monday was a dodger and the flag actually got lit before he stopped it.
2005-08-11 12:54:54
41.   Yakface
Where did this sudden hatred I have for the Angels come from? I was happy for them in 2002 I felt bad for them in 03 and 04 but now all of a sudden Im hoping they never see the off season again, where does this come from?
2005-08-11 12:56:45
42.   fanerman
41 - 6 words.
The Los Angeles Angels Of Anaheim
2005-08-11 12:57:00
43.   Sam DC
40 Well, not really Rashomon, more like getting-old-omon, I guess.
2005-08-11 12:59:25
44.   molokai
41 Because the LA media has painted them as the darlings and our Dodgers as the devils. Depo gets hatred for letting Finley go. The Angels get accolades for signing him. He is up their with Beltre as the worse FA signing in 2005. Does anyone comment in LA media on that ?
I still root for them but not as much when they are playing the A's. I just love that the A's have been able to turn around the season and the analysts just don't no why. Can't say it is the big 3 anymore.
2005-08-11 12:59:28
45.   King of the Hobos
41 I have the same problem. fanerman is probably right, although if the Angels and Giants ever play each other the World Series again, I will root for the Angels
2005-08-11 13:01:15
46.   Eric Enders
The other day three friends and I were sitting around discussing Rashomon. We all have different memories of the way it ended.
2005-08-11 13:02:35
47.   Bob Timmermann
41
Conventional wisdom:

Arte Moreno - Nice rich guy
Frank McCourt - Phony guy overextended in his finances

Bill Stoneman - Quiet, but confident in his team's ability. Solid, dependable.
Paul DePodesta - Young guy in over his head who relies on computers more than his gut.

Mike Scioscia - Played on two World Series winners and won another as a manger
Jim Tracy - Played in Montreal. Won a playoff game once.

Darin Erstad - Scrappy first baseman who is a team leader
Jason Phillips - Defies description

Vladimir Guerrero - Great hitter, although very quiet
J.D. Drew - Fragile hitter, wuss, boring.

Steve Finley - All-American guy
Milton Bradley - Epitome of evil

Francisco Rodriguez - Good young closer
Yhency Brazoban - Not very good young closer

The Conventional Wisdom gives the Dodgers an edge only in the position of principal play-by-play man.

2005-08-11 13:03:32
48.   Telemachos
I confess I've soured on the Angels as well, probably in large part because of the media coverage (though as a Bay Area native I've always been partial to the A's).

In 2002, the Angels were the spunky up-and-comers... now I don't see them as such and so the underdog interest is gone. I'd much rather see the A's make a run for it... though if the Angels are facing off against the Red Sox, Yankees, or Giants, I'd root for them in a heartbeat.

2005-08-11 13:03:53
49.   Eric Enders
Do most people really think Tracy played for the Expos?
2005-08-11 13:05:20
50.   Yakface
"Milton Bradley - Epitome of evil"

lol

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2005-08-11 13:05:23
51.   Howard Fox
the LA sportwriters are just mad cause the Dodgers don't overindulge them
2005-08-11 13:07:01
52.   Eric Enders
The way I've always viewed the Angels is as that annoying little brother (much like the Padres) who keeps trying to copycat everything the Dodgers do, except without as much success. Both teams would sign people like Fernando after they were washed up so they could ride the coattails of Dodger success a little bit. They were amusing and for the most part non-threatening.

Now that it's us trying to get a ride on their coattails, they're easier to hate.

2005-08-11 13:07:33
53.   Bob Timmermann
49
No just me.

I thought he played there and that's why he became a coach there.

Cubs, Expos, what's the difference?

Neither the Cubs nor Expos will win a World Series in the lifetime of anybody who is reading this today.

2005-08-11 13:07:52
54.   Eric Enders
The L.A. media treated Jose Guillen pretty much the same way they've treated Bradley, no?
2005-08-11 13:10:37
55.   Bob Timmermann
54
Yes, but the Angels were good because they essentially cast Guillen out of the Garden of Eden, while the Dodgers allowed Bradley to stay, when they could have waived him and resigned Finley.
2005-08-11 13:11:15
56.   Yakface
Honestly I mean honestly dawg I probably just dont like the color red.
2005-08-11 13:12:23
57.   Yakface
Comment 56 was a joke in reference to wut this guy at my pub says often. I am in no way affiliated with Gang Color hating. Thought red is kinda girlish.
2005-08-11 13:15:50
58.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Francis got pulled in Colorado after giving up 9 runs (so far) and 13 hits in 3 1/3 innings against Pittsburgh.
2005-08-11 13:18:49
59.   Xeifrank
58. A big blow for the Rockies, as they are only 13.5 games out of first place. Another loss might drop their fan(s) into acceptance. :) vr, Xei
2005-08-11 13:20:22
60.   Eric Enders
The Rockies are approximately the same distance out of first place as we are out of the Wild Card...
2005-08-11 13:20:47
61.   Xeifrank
Looks like a pitching duel has broke out down south between Glavine and Williams. 0-0 in the 4th, for those of you still in denial. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 13:21:41
62.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies are key to having the NL West champ finishing below .500. They have the most intradivisional games left of all the teams in the NL West.

If they get hot against the Padres and DBacks then the NL West could be headed for the briny deep.

2005-08-11 13:22:06
63.   Sam DC
Angels loaded the bases in the third but didn't score. (They even had second and third no outs.)
2005-08-11 13:22:58
64.   Eric Enders
BTW, is there anybody on this site who remembers Jim Tracy from when he was a major league player? I sure don't.

From his record it looks like he was a John Olerud-type hitter in the minors, although he wasn't able to replicate that in MLB.

2005-08-11 13:24:54
65.   Bob Timmermann
Mets lead 1-0!

Ya gotta believe!

2005-08-11 13:25:09
66.   Sam DC
When there's a leadoff walk, broadcasters often point out how a leadoff walker comes around to score X% percent of the time. Broadcasters are much less likely to do this when it's a leadoff single. Is there a difference? Does a leadoff walk come around to score at a different rate then a leadoff single? Why would that be? And would you guess a leadoff walker is more likely to score or less likely to score than a leadoff single? My assumption is the rate would be the same.
2005-08-11 13:25:34
67.   Bob Timmermann
64

Since I thought he played for the Expos, I guess my answer would be no.

2005-08-11 13:28:20
68.   Xeifrank
66. I think the rate should be the same. I think it is only highlighted by the announcer so much because a walk is considered a gift from the pitcher, whereas a single is usually earned by the hitter. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 13:35:48
69.   Eric Enders
Tracy was 0-for-4 in his career against L.A. -- a strikeout, a groundout, and two flyouts.

So he's hurt the Dodgers much more as a manager than he did as a player.

2005-08-11 13:38:38
70.   Bob Timmermann
It's 1-1 in San Diego.

I no longer believe!

2005-08-11 13:41:46
71.   fanerman
Bob's recent rollercoaster of emotions is a microcosm of the last month here. ACCEPTANCE! DENIAL! ACCEPTANCE!
2005-08-11 13:45:13
72.   Bob Timmermann
I'm in a perpetual state of detached bemusement.
2005-08-11 13:47:38
73.   ElysianPark62
Yes, I remember Tracy as a player. I had his baseball card. I thought my mom had chucked all of my cards, but recently my dad said he confiscated them and they are safely tucked away...somewhere. Finding them will prove a challenge.

I had some pretty good cards, but unfortunately, I drew beards and moustaches on some of them. Also I played games with them, making up rosters and using a die to determine plays.

2005-08-11 13:47:42
74.   Yakface
Is choi in tonights line up?
2005-08-11 13:47:47
75.   Bob Timmermann
I found a study by Tom Ruane in the SABR-L archives on the likelihood of scoring depending upon what the first event of the inning was.

His study was over the period from 1980-99.

Leadoff singles would score 38.8% of the time.
Leadoff walks would score 39.2% of the time.
Leadoff HBPs would score 39.4% of the time.

2005-08-11 13:47:57
76.   Eric Enders
I believe that was supposed to go:
"Am I in a perpetual state of detached bemusement? Yes I am."
2005-08-11 13:49:23
77.   Eric Enders
So I'm guessing walks are more likely to score because they mean the pitcher is wild, and therefore likely to walk other people in the inning too.
2005-08-11 13:51:26
78.   Sam DC
75 Thanks Bob. So either one concludes that these numbers are all so close together that the rate is effectively the same, or one could argue that the less control the pitcher has to start the inning, the more likely it is a run will score. I'll go with the former.
2005-08-11 13:52:12
79.   Bob Timmermann
In that 20-year period, there were 125,194 leadoff singles.

There were 56,395 leadoff walks.

There were 4,101 leadoff HBPs.

I found a few other studies and leadoff walks seem to score a wee bit more than leadoff singles.

I think others have further refined the study to see which event is more likely to lead to a multi-run inning.

2005-08-11 13:57:46
80.   Marty
So now I'm going to root for Cesar to get plugged every time he leads off. Better odds!
2005-08-11 13:59:36
81.   Marty
My new Mantra. Take one Cesar!
2005-08-11 14:02:25
82.   Yakface
Thats about the only thing I miss from cora that guy could get HBP almost every other game.
2005-08-11 14:03:08
83.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers have dropped to fourth in the NL in HBP with 50. Washington, Milwaukee and Houston have more. The LA record of 72 could hold on.

I also noticed that the Dodgers are 13th in the NL in intentional walks received: 21.

The last place team is Sna Francisco with 16. Last year Barry Bonds received 120 intentional walks.

2005-08-11 14:05:17
84.   Eric Enders
With Phillips now batting behind Kent, look for the Dodgers to rocket to the top of the standings in IBB.
2005-08-11 14:05:29
85.   Bob Timmermann
Alex Cora holds the LA Dodgers record for most HBPs in a season with 18.
2005-08-11 14:05:52
86.   Yakface
As a manager I could never intentionaly walk Bonds I would just hit him with the pitch.
2005-08-11 14:06:28
87.   fanerman
HBP and scrappiness are almost directly correlated.
2005-08-11 14:07:28
88.   Sam DC
From AP: "CHICAGO - Former Negro Leagues star Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe, believed to be the oldest living professional baseball player, died Thursday. He was 103. Radcliffe, given his singular nickname by sports writer Damon Runyon after catching Satchel Paige in the first game of a doubleheader in the 1932 Negro League World Series and pitching a shutout in the second game, died from complications after a long bout with cancer, the Chicago White Sox said."
2005-08-11 14:07:41
89.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers are 31 IBBs behind league leader Philadelphia.
2005-08-11 14:09:51
90.   Sam DC
Here's a link to the Double Duty article. It says he made the Negro League All-Star team 6 times -- 3 as a pitcher and 3 as a catcher. Pretty cool.

http://tinyurl.com/dgbll

2005-08-11 14:12:30
91.   Bob Timmermann
I found another study by Dave Smith of Retrosheet that he did after he heard about Tim McCarver claiming "There are more multi-run innings as a result of a leadoff walk than any other event."

As expected, McCarver was wrong. There was no significant difference between walks and hits to start an inning that would lead to multiple runs.

2005-08-11 14:19:20
92.   Eric Enders
When I was a kid, the PA announcer at our local minor league games used to state with utter certainty, "No team in baseball scores more runs with two outs than your El Paso Diablos!"

Years later after I grew up, I asked him where he got that nugget. "Oh, I just made that up."

He should apply for a job with FOX.

2005-08-11 14:21:19
93.   Bob Timmermann
David Ross got a pinch triple in San Diego.

Carlos Beltran and Mike Cameron collided going for a fly ball.

2005-08-11 14:23:06
94.   fanerman
The fates seem to be mocking us.
2005-08-11 14:23:15
95.   King of the Hobos
Beltran and Cameron just dove into each other. I'd be surprised if either is 100%. Beltran can stand up, Cameron is still on the ground. I hope they're ok, but they may have just made our series easier
2005-08-11 14:24:36
96.   Xeifrank
86. I guess if you don't mind your best hitter getting nailed the next time he comes up then it would be a good idea. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:25:54
97.   Bob Timmermann
Cameron and Beltran apparently both made head first dives into each other and knocked heads. Beltran also seems to have a banged up shoulder, but Cameron got the worst of it.
2005-08-11 14:26:12
98.   Xeifrank
Joe McDonald (710AM radio) said he will be at the Dodger game tonight sitting behind home plate. Now you know where to direct your peanuts and paper airplanes if you are lucky enough to have tickets to the game. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:26:30
99.   popup
Jon, an interesting article about Monday. I was a bit taken aback though at you being put in the designated hitter position. As a long time National League fan, I would put you in a different spot in the line-up.

I was thinking about Vin, Ross, Jerry Doggett, and the current crop of Steiner, Monday, Downing and Lyons. It occurred to me maybe I could compare them to major league shortstops I have seen.

Vin brings to mind Ozzie Smith. In his prime Ozzie had astounding range and quickness. In his his prime as a broadcaster Vin had astounding verbal range, plus he had the ability to shift verbal gears so smoothly you could hardly notice he had moved from one topic to the next. Ozzie slowed down at the end of his career and so has Vin. Both Ozzie and now Vin still have remained a shining star right to the end.

Ross and Jerry are in my mind were both excellent broadcasters. In keeping with the shortstop comparison, they bring to my mind Allan Trammel. That is high praise indeed. I could listen to Jerry and Ross and be able to picture in my mind what was happening on the field. It was not as vivid a picture as what I got from Vin, but Vin is in a class by himself.

Sadly, the current crop of Dodger broadcasters other than Vin are among the worst in baseball. Jose Offerman it is the only comparison I can think of. I am sure there are some who will say this is impossible, but I think they are actually worse than Offerman.

Two nights ago I heard Steiner do a pregame interview on XM with Steve Schmoll that made me cringe. I can't give it verbatim, but this will be close:

Steiner says to Schmoll, what did you gain in yout time in Vegas when you were sent down after begining the year in LA. Schmoll tells Steiner he got to work on his focus and concentration. Steiner says don't tell me about focus and concentration, hurumph, hurumph, obviously disgusted by Schmoll's cliches. Poor Steve bumbled through a response that was more gracious than what my response would have been. Steiner is not only inept he is rude. It shows in his interviews and it shows in his play by play.

Last night Steiner started in on a story so vacuous that I don't remember it. Towards the end of his ramble he brought Monday into the act, saying something like, I don't know where I am going with this Mo. Monday said something equally unintelligible and they both sailed off into what passes for play by play on Dodger radio after the third inning.

I agree with Jon, and Eric Enders in his comments on Jon's article on the other website, about Rick Monday. Al Downing I have heard very briefly in some games last year and in a spring training game I heard this year on XM. Not good. I have not heard Steve Lyons on Dodger broadcasts but I have listened to him on Fox national t.v. and he is maybe a step up from Al Downing.

Vin I wish you good health. I wish that not only for you, but also for the ears of all Dodger fans. You and Red have brought a tradition of excellence to the broadcast booth that I fear will be lost when you are gone.

I hope I am wrong.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-11 14:26:43
100.   Yakface
Wut in the Wooorld
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2005-08-11 14:26:53
101.   Bob Timmermann
98
Even with his surgery, Joe McDonnell is still a big target.
2005-08-11 14:29:20
102.   HomeDePo
I have a lineup that would have everybody on-base for the dodgers. keep in mind this is speculation only:

1. A Perez, 3B
2. JD Drew, RF
3. M Bradley, CF
4. J Kent, 2B
5. HS Choi/ O Saenz, 1B
6. R Leedee/ J Cruz Jr., LF
7. C Izturis/ O Robles, SS
8. J Phillips/ D Navarro, C
9. Pitcher's spot

This lineup would score a lot of runs because so many people would be on base for Jeff Kent and Milton.

2005-08-11 14:30:23
103.   fanerman
HomeDePo,
You're more or less preaching to the choir.
2005-08-11 14:31:37
104.   Xeifrank
102. Buntermaker won't go for that. It makes too much sense. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:32:14
105.   Sushirabbit
96. We don't seem to be the ideal team for trading HBPs.
2005-08-11 14:32:21
106.   HomeDePo
sorry its only my third day on this site... i do not know everybodys opinion yet
2005-08-11 14:32:43
107.   Yakface
How come david ross never had anyone on the opposite team taken out when he played for the Dodgers yet alone 2 of their best outfielders?
2005-08-11 14:34:00
108.   Bob Timmermann
106
Welcome! You'll enjoy the experience!

Except for days when the Dodgers lose.

2005-08-11 14:34:01
109.   Xeifrank
106. We all think Jim Tracy is a moron. Well, I can't speak for for everyone?? vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:34:40
110.   Jon Weisman
Beltran and Cameron both come out.
2005-08-11 14:35:01
111.   King of the Hobos
Beltran and Cameron out of the game. Beltran walked off, Cameron was carted off. He made some movement, but not a lot

Padres just took the lead 2-1

2005-08-11 14:35:11
112.   HomeDePo
109 - at the beggining of the season i respected him a little, then less, and less, and I started to hate him more than ever when he had Milton Bradley bunt.
2005-08-11 14:35:21
113.   Bob Timmermann
The Joker comes through to make it 2-1 Padres.
2005-08-11 14:35:55
114.   Marty
I always liked the Roseboro method of throwing the ball back under the batter's chin. Marichal wasn't a big fan of that, though.
2005-08-11 14:36:08
115.   Xeifrank
112. We feel your pain brother. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:36:15
116.   HomeDePo
would drew be a better 2 or 3 hitter? is milton a better 3 or 5 hitter?
2005-08-11 14:37:37
117.   HomeDePo
114 - really? i thought marichal and roseboro were best friends... i still think roseboro won that fight (me and no army)
2005-08-11 14:38:12
118.   Bob Timmermann
Steve Finley, the Man Who Can Do No Wrong Despite Having a Terrible Year, doubled in 2 runs to make it 4-0 Angels in the 7th.
2005-08-11 14:38:38
119.   HomeDePo
does anybody else here hate the los angeles posers of anaheim? just checking
2005-08-11 14:38:58
120.   Eric Enders
116,
It doesn't really matter one bit, with the exception that they both play better when they're actually in the lineup.
2005-08-11 14:39:16
121.   Jon Weisman
116 - Doesn't really matter.
2005-08-11 14:39:33
122.   Xeifrank
116. Doesn't matter much. #3 hitter leads off the least amount of innings than any other spot in the lineup. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:41:01
123.   Yakface
Does anyone else miss Nakamura making those sick sumerault catches? And matrix style tags?
2005-08-11 14:41:09
124.   ddger
116 How about Choi? .327/.387/.726
2005-08-11 14:41:30
125.   kent
I was at Wed's game and it occured to me that, if Jim Tracy were an ER Doctor, he would let his patient die and, THEN, he'd call for the crash cart.
2005-08-11 14:43:06
126.   Xeifrank
119. I like the posers. Just not crazy about the smallball philosophy of their manager. I think their pitching and RFer make them a much better team than the Dodgers. Other than that, I think we have a much better GM who spends resources much more efficiently. I think if both teams were healthy, the posers would be only slightly better. Both teams have very good prospects. Theirs are blocked, ours aren't. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:43:23
127.   rageon
I could have sworn there were at least a couple pro-Tracy / anti-Choi types aren't here, but they seem to have been scared away or something.
2005-08-11 14:43:48
128.   Bob Timmermann
Ross's triple today was the second of his career. He had one last year for the Dodgers in Colorado in a 3-2 Dodger win on July 29, 2004. Ross homered, tripled and got an HBP that day.
2005-08-11 14:44:07
129.   HomeDePo
who is everybody rooting for to win the WS besides the dodgers? i go with oakland and toronto, because they have moneyball GMs
2005-08-11 14:45:00
130.   fanerman
127 - I don't think being pro-Tracy and anti-Choi go hand in hand.
2005-08-11 14:45:02
131.   Sam DC
Cubs up 10-4 v. St. Louis. They've scored in each of the first six innings.
2005-08-11 14:45:59
132.   Bob Timmermann
There are anti-Choi types. And there are anti-DePodesta types. But sometimes we don't have the nicest debates about the topics.
2005-08-11 14:46:02
133.   King of the Hobos
Otsuka just hit Floyd, and ther's a good chance that's he gone...
2005-08-11 14:46:21
134.   rageon
125 Tracy would make sure the patient was referred to the doctor with the most hustle, regardless or talent or experiece.
2005-08-11 14:46:24
135.   Bob Timmermann
Cliff Floyd just got hit by a pitch and he's down with an injury.
2005-08-11 14:47:23
136.   rageon
130 Well, I'd say that my pro-Choi stance has directly contributed to my anti-Tracy stance. So I connect the two in my own mind.
2005-08-11 14:47:24
137.   HomeDePo
my friend was at a dodger game and was debating HOW bad Jim Tracy was with the man sitting next to him and all of a sudden the man in front turns around and says: "have you seen what he does out there? Jim Tracy is a MAGICIAN!" My friend couldnt tell if he was serious or not and it turned out he was serious. I bet that he wished we still had Hideo Nomo and Kaz Ishii!
2005-08-11 14:47:59
138.   Xeifrank
129. I hope the Padres win it, because I believe the NL West is underrated and actually the best division in major league baseball. I also believe in the tooth fairy and think Jason Phillips, though not a good first baseman has a great bat and needs to be in the lineup at all times. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:48:14
139.   Sam DC
HomeDePo -- given your moniker, I'm wondering if you know about the shirts . . .
2005-08-11 14:48:28
140.   Jim Hitchcock
Beltran and Cameron both come out.

That line allows for misinterpretation... :)

2005-08-11 14:49:12
141.   HomeDePo
139 - explain...
2005-08-11 14:49:20
142.   ddger
If Tracy insists on starting Izturis and Robles at same time, why doesn't he leadoff with Robles instead of Izturis.

Leading off: BA/OBP
Robles .319/.390
Izturis .273/.319

It would make too much sense for Tracy to understand. Same reason why Phillips is playing 1st I guess.

2005-08-11 14:49:26
143.   Bob Timmermann
129
I would root for the NL champ in the World Series.

Just because.

The A's are starting to rally against Brendan Donnelly. Payton homered and the A's have two on and none out.

2005-08-11 14:49:27
144.   Xeifrank
137. Was you friend sitting behind Joe McDonnell? or Steve Mason? vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:49:44
145.   rageon
The A's, down 4-1, are making a min-comeback in the 7th, for those who care.
2005-08-11 14:49:54
146.   HomeDePo
140 - lol
2005-08-11 14:50:24
147.   fanerman
141
They look like the Home Depot shirts except they say Team DePo.
2005-08-11 14:51:21
148.   HomeDePo
144 - no... he sits next to the away on-deck circle. i think mcdonnel sits dead center
2005-08-11 14:51:46
149.   Sam DC
139 This is an old link from a commenter here who worked up this Team Depo shirts. Not sure if he has any left . . .

http://tinyurl.com/8ez6z

2005-08-11 14:51:53
150.   db1022
126 - I dislike the Angels because of:

1. Their fans. It seems like the bulk of their fanbase came on in 2002. What % of Angel fans would recognize the significance of the term "California Angels"?
2. Steve Physioc and Rex Hudler. Requires no explanation.
3. The favoritism displayed by the media towards them (ie Finley and Cabrera vs. Drew and Lowe)
4. Two words - Rally Monkey.

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2005-08-11 14:52:18
151.   HomeDePo
147 - where do you get them? i actually got the sn from an espn article about him. i also am a pretty big depodesta fan.
2005-08-11 14:53:46
152.   HomeDePo
150 - did anybody watch sports center last night? they did not show that dazzling catch by milton bradley but they did show that timed dive by vlad. vlad paused and then dove! espn always has the worst coverage of us
2005-08-11 14:54:14
153.   db1022
151 - Speaking of which, any update on the DT shirts, Jon?
2005-08-11 14:54:16
154.   rageon
140 No Piazza joke?
2005-08-11 14:54:27
155.   Xeifrank
So how many Met outfielders are hurt and out of the game today? vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:54:47
156.   Bob Timmermann
4-4 in Oakland.
2005-08-11 14:54:48
157.   Sam DC
151 If you see a commenter named Bigcpa posting, ask him.

Greg Maddux is batting with the bases loaded in Chicago . . .

2005-08-11 14:55:09
158.   Xeifrank
153. He told me it's on his "to do" list.
vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:55:31
159.   HomeDePo
aw man i really wish i knew about that shirt. i have been looking for something similiar for about a week
2005-08-11 14:55:34
160.   Steelyeri
Eric Chavez just Went deep (3 run hr.) and tied the game at 4.
2005-08-11 14:55:43
161.   Bob Timmermann
155
Just two outfielders. Floyd stayed in the game.

I would be surprised if Beltran or Cameron played in any games over the weekend.

2005-08-11 14:55:46
162.   Xeifrank
wow! 3-run jack for chavez and moneyball ties it up. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:56:36
163.   kent
I think Joe McDonnal sits both behind home plate AND on the 1st base side.
2005-08-11 14:56:39
164.   Xeifrank
161. So there is hope this weekend. Another weekend in denial. vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:56:43
165.   rageon
152 That reminds me of the Baseball Tonight Drinking Game. One of the categories was: "A Web Gem results from a poor or misdirected first step." My friends and I used to call this a "Jim Edmonds web gem."

See the game at:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20020614sixfourthree.shtml

2005-08-11 14:56:48
166.   Sam DC
Alas, Maddux strikes out (took seven pitches to do it though).
2005-08-11 14:57:01
167.   db1022
152 - I'm sure a lot has to do with the old Fox vs. Disney ownerships. ESPN used to openly call the Angels the "company softball team" (tongue in cheek, but humor --> truth).
2005-08-11 14:57:35
168.   HomeDePo
how about jay payton! he is burning it up!
2005-08-11 14:58:11
169.   db1022
2005 World Series - Oakland vs. um, does the NL have to send a rep? Can't we just do Oak vs. Boston and call it a season?
2005-08-11 14:58:12
170.   ddger
we should have gone after payton instead of cruz
2005-08-11 14:58:53
171.   Bob Timmermann
I think ESPN gave more coverage to the Angels-A's game because:
1) the teams were better overall
2) it was closer
3) it ended earlier

Last night's game took forever and matched a third place team and a fourth place team.

2005-08-11 14:59:29
172.   Sam DC
Well, 170 sums up how sad this season as gotten as well as anything, I'd say.
2005-08-11 14:59:32
173.   HomeDePo
165 - everybody says jim edmonds is so good but the only reason he makes those plays is cuz he is slow. milton bradley makes those catches standing up. a lot of web gems are really bad plays
2005-08-11 14:59:40
174.   Xeifrank
169. White Sox, Cards & Braves might think otherwise. Red Sox? Yuck! vr, Xei
2005-08-11 14:59:47
175.   rageon
Chavez comes through!! At some point in his career, he's going to play decently during the first half of a season and put some pretty sick overall numbers. Combined with being perhaps a top-5 defensive player at any position, the guy is going to win an MVP at some point.
2005-08-11 15:01:55
176.   fanerman
173 - I thought Edmonds was actually a good defensive CF. I remember reading something Aaron Gleeman wrote about him...
2005-08-11 15:03:54
177.   Jon Weisman
Game thread is open, though I realize I probably should have waited until these two games were over.

Angel bullpen acting like the Dodger bullpen.

2005-08-11 15:04:18
178.   HomeDePo
176 - i think he has a good arm but he is slow so a lot of his diving plays are actually stand-up plays for people like Juan Pierre.
2005-08-11 15:04:52
179.   Bob Timmermann
2 outs in the 9th in San Diego.
2005-08-11 15:05:48
180.   Jon Weisman
176, 178 - Well, things change. Edmonds is winking at his 40th birthday.
2005-08-11 15:07:04
181.   fanerman
180 - I mean in his prime. I thought I remember Aaron Gleeman making a case for Edmonds in the Hall of Fame, but I couldn't find it.
2005-08-11 15:07:46
182.   King of the Hobos
Padres have won 2-1 over the Mets
2005-08-11 15:07:53
183.   Bob Timmermann
All over at PETCO.
2005-08-11 15:08:25
184.   Steelyeri
Looks like donnely isn't as good without his pine tar. After all, he is fairly fat.
2005-08-11 15:08:25
185.   Benaiah
While it is a little premature, I thought I would look at next year.

Under Contract
JD Drew
Cesar Izturis
Jeff Kent
Ricky Ledee
Wilson Alverez (though supposedly he is going to retire)
Eric Gagne
Derek Lowe
Odalis Perez
Brad Penny

Not Eligible for Arbitration
Antonio Perez
Jason Repko
Yhency Brazobahn
Jonathon Broxton
DJ Houlton
Steve Schmoll

Arbitration Eligible
Milton Bradley
Hee-Seop Choi
Jason Phillips
Jayson Werth
Duaner Sanchez
Kelly Wunsch (I think, though he may be a FA)

Free Agents
Paul Bako
Giovanni Carrera
Jose Cruz Jr.
Elmer Dessens
Darren Driefort (Oh happy Day)
Oscar Robles
Olemedo Saenz
Jose Valentin
Jeff Weaver

Of those on the FA list, only Saenz and Weaver are worth consideration. From what I can see, 1B (somewhat), 2B, SS, RF, CF, C (marginally), 3 (and a half counting Houlton) SP and the bullpen are basically set. If Choi isn't going to play than we need a 1B, a LF (though Werth and Ledee are competent at least) and a starting pitcher for next year. I did not do this in a professional way so there are probably mistakes.

2005-08-11 15:08:30
186.   Sam DC
Cubs fail to score in the seventh so the mini-streak is broken.
2005-08-11 15:10:07
187.   rageon
176 I actually had a post typed up with numbers, but I accidentally closed the tab in FireFox. Whoops. Anyways, Edmonds is pretty good. Not great, but good. He's not Andruw Jones, but his numbers are in the same ballpark as Cameron and Hunter (who is also WAY overrated).
2005-08-11 15:10:20
188.   HomeDePo
speaking of flat: yhency brazobans fastball. it has no movement at all. i would rather have him throw an 89 mph fastball with movement then a 96 mph thats nothing but a ball moving in a straight lin
2005-08-11 15:12:39
189.   rageon
Anyone else wishing the Dodgers had Justin Duchscherer right about now?
2005-08-11 15:13:03
190.   kent
DePo signed valentin for 3.5 mil when joe randa was available for 2.15 mil. Compare their #s and weep. Randa went 3 for 4 today w/ an rbi. (This is not hindsight, several talking heads said the dodgers should sign randa after beltre went to seattle, DePo just didn't see it that way.)
2005-08-11 15:14:42
191.   db1022
189 - why...?
2005-08-11 15:14:54
192.   HomeDePo
if you could have on player in the league on your team, who would it be?
2005-08-11 15:15:40
193.   Benaiah
192 - The correct answer is always Albert Pujols.
2005-08-11 15:15:41
194.   kent
Randa
ave 280/ops 806

Valentin
ave 179/ops 638

2005-08-11 15:16:27
195.   db1022
192 - Salary considerations? Position?
2005-08-11 15:16:34
196.   fanerman
193 - Yes.
2005-08-11 15:17:43
197.   HomeDePo
195 - disregarding salary... you could consider fielding
2005-08-11 15:18:20
198.   rageon
191 - Umm, because the dude's crazy-good. And cheap. And our pen is, uh, terrible.
2005-08-11 15:18:31
199.   Steelyeri
"He may not be superman but he's super Vlad, that's why they walked him"

-- The great Rex Hudler
2005-08-11 15:19:13
200.   ddger
Depo thought we needed to replace Beltre's 48 homers with Valentin's 30.

Valentin has to be considered as one of our disappointing FA signings.

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2005-08-11 15:19:38
201.   HomeDePo
gotto go... just got madden... i expect everybody will be here around game-time?
2005-08-11 15:19:58
202.   fanerman
Who's available at 3rd base for next year?
2005-08-11 15:20:16
203.   rageon
Disregarding salary, I take ARod. Including salary, I suppose Pujols is a better value
2005-08-11 15:20:25
204.   HomeDePo
202 - antonio perez is
2005-08-11 15:22:28
205.   kent
AP is not destined to start at 3rd.
2005-08-11 15:22:57
206.   King of the Hobos
202 Ayber, Perez, Mueller
2005-08-11 15:23:05
207.   Steelyeri
Have you guys notice that sometimes there are rumors about Depo going after guys for a while and when all is said and done he can't get the deal done? Then All of a sudden, the same players seem to find their way to the A's. Jason Kendal and Joe Kennedy come to mind. I brought this up because the Angels announcers mentioned how well Kennedy has pitched for the A's. While our bullpen just lost us 2 game in a row.
2005-08-11 15:24:07
208.   ddger
Valentin's average last 5 years (.273/.258/.249/.237/.216).

The fact that he is batting only .179 this year shouldn't be that surprising since his performance has clearly been regressing every year.

Good news is that we only have 49 more games.

2005-08-11 15:24:57
209.   db1022
Salary included, I'll take Miguel Cabrera.
2005-08-11 15:25:02
210.   fanerman
207 - Many of the stuff DePo has done has sort of gone under the radar. Nobody heard about "The Trade" until the day it happened. It's possible he can't get the deal done, but how true the rumors are is also a question.
2005-08-11 15:25:17
211.   Steelyeri
208- Hot Stove league can't get here soon enough.
2005-08-11 15:25:19
212.   Benaiah
The thing about splashy acquisions of 3B, 1B and SP, usually the big names want long deals and that would only serve to block the young guys coming up. I would love to see Depo sign a good LF and a decent starter (not Oswalt or Burnett, though obviously I wouldn't complain if we got either). There is no body coming back next year that has no value, though a couple of players are probably overpaid (Lowe) or only somewhat useful (Werth, Wunsch, Yhency barring a turnaround).
2005-08-11 15:25:43
213.   ddger
204 Are we assuming that Tracy will not be back next year?
2005-08-11 15:25:55
214.   King of the Hobos
191 1.77 ERA, 61 IP, 59 K. Certainly better than anyone in our pen. Plus he was the only A's allstar, so that makes him especially good
2005-08-11 15:26:04
215.   kent
206- La Roche guzman ???
2005-08-11 15:26:57
216.   fanerman
205
I'd rather not go to that option either (though if he fields 3B over winter I wouldn't be surprised if he was significantly better). We need another impact bat. Whether it's an outfielder or a 3B doesn't matter, but we need at least one.
2005-08-11 15:27:13
217.   ddger
We should try to sign Randa next year for 1 year contract. By 2007, LaRoche should be ready.
2005-08-11 15:28:22
218.   ddger
214 We should get any reliever with ERA under 4.00.
2005-08-11 15:30:31
219.   King of the Hobos
Even the A's make somewhat questionable bunts
2005-08-11 15:32:59
220.   kent
shmoll, brazaban & broxton will all continue to improve &, if they are surrounded by wunch & gagne, they might be ok
2005-08-11 15:34:41
221.   dzzrtRatt
41, 150 and others...

I can't share Angel-hatred with you all. I think they're actually a pretty entertaining team nowadays, and have been for about 10 years, since the Percival/Salmon/Edmonds team emerged to blow, then almost regain, then blow the AL West in '95. Today's team has got some of baseball's great characters, i.e. Guerrero the crazed free swinger with the cannon arm, Anderson, who is quietly the best hitter in the AL over the past decade, the catching Molina brothers, the oddly effective Chone Figgins, the bug-eyed phenom Francisco Rodriquez, and several more over-achievers like Erstad, Kennedy, Shields and Lackey. Colon is the fattest excellent pitcher in baseball. Ervin Santana is high wire act. If they had better radio/TV announcers, Moreno's marketing gambit actually might work, not because of the nomenclature, but because the team has a personality.

I'm a Dodger fan for 35 years, but the team has lacked a personality for God knows how long--generously since they traded Piazza, but really before that. They remind me of the pre-'95 Angels, a way station for some good players, but not a team you could pick out of a lineup.

That's why, subliminally, this group gets most excited in a positive sense when the Jacksonville Suns are the topic of discussion. That seems like the nucleus of a team that will not only succeed, but entertain us. Sheez, the best Suns players already have nicknames! Does anyone on the Dodgers of today have a nickname? One that can be printed in a family newspaper? Other than Gagne, the only player with an appealing personality is Choi--and our manager is trying to bury him!

Frank McCourt and Paul DePodesta are very lucky to have such loyal fans. The Angels, no matter how entertaining, will always be #2 in this market. But...nothing lasts forever. Being a fan needs to be fun again, soon!

2005-08-11 15:35:43
222.   King of the Hobos
That was a bizarre ending to the A's game...
2005-08-11 15:36:07
223.   Steelyeri
very, very weird.
2005-08-11 15:36:35
224.   ddger
Mike Piazza trade has to rank up there with Pedro Martinez trade as one of the worst trades in Dodger history.
2005-08-11 15:38:17
225.   King of the Hobos
221 Bradley would disagree with you...
2005-08-11 15:41:02
226.   fanerman
225 - I like Bradley, too.

Though I agree with the general sentiment of 221.

I can't wait for La Bomb, JtD, The Canadian Mountee of Walks... and Heart, et al to get up here. And I hope.. nay, I EXPECT that there will be Official Dodger Thoughts T-Shirts for all of them.

2005-08-11 15:42:52
227.   Jim Hitchcock
224 - Don't agree. Remember, we got Mr. Really Really Grumpy, who's hitting was at least on par with Piazza's.
2005-08-11 15:45:25
228.   fanerman
227
Don't forget we got to call up Mr. Heart And Soul because of that trade, too.
2005-08-11 15:46:05
229.   jasonungar05
224

I know I am not popular in saying this, but the Sheffield Trade (he wanted 3 year extension for 30 million) was pretty bad. An aging hurt guy in Jordan and a above avg at best SP. Meanwhile, Sheff has hit 123HR and 425rbi with an OPS over .930 since.

The Konerko deal was awful too IMO.

2005-08-11 15:47:19
230.   ddger
227 You're right, Mr. Grumpy was pretty good even if his stay was short. Did he leave by free agency or was he traded?
2005-08-11 15:48:33
231.   dzzrtRatt
225 Well I certainly don't want Milton Bradley mad at me! Luv ya Milt!

Bradley gets to stay on the solar-powered Dodgers, along with Gagne, Choi, Penny, and Kent for his grizzled veteran presence. Otherwise, the only reason we shouldn't promote all of them right now would be if it would hurt their confidence to be exposed to the overpowering talent of the rest of the NL West. Seriously. I'm ready to go into a season with everyone at ESPN and the Times predicting us to finish last because we're playing kids. Do you think our management has this properly calibrated, or are they holding these guys back too long?

2005-08-11 15:49:01
232.   fanerman
230 - Traded for OP and Brian Jordan. I don't mind getting rid of him, but we should have gotten more for him.
2005-08-11 15:49:42
233.   fanerman
231 - I think they could use some time in AAA first.
2005-08-11 15:49:49
234.   jasonungar05
Sheff was Traded for Brian Jordan and Odalis.

How can they pay karros 8 million and me 9 and not give me 10? How can they pay Green 15 million..ah, a classic sheffild rant where he was 100% right AND 100 percent wrong

2005-08-11 15:52:01
235.   Chris H
"Anderson, who is quietly the best hitter in the AL over the past decade"

Manny Ramirez might take issue with that statement.

2005-08-11 15:53:59
236.   dzzrtRatt
I guess when Sheffield joined the team, we didn't know he was such a head case. Now his rant is familiar, and seems pretty benign. Atlanta and the Yankees seem to be surviving the experience.

We had movie execs running the team back then. You don't dis them unless you're Tom Cruise. Their frail egos can't handle it.

2005-08-11 15:56:05
237.   dzzrtRatt
235 It's an arguable point, but Anderson gets the nod from me because he doesn't take himself out of the lineup against pitchers he's afraid of, or if he's feeling pissy in general, like Ramirez does. I guess Anderson's starting to decline, but man he was so solid for a long time.
2005-08-11 15:56:10
238.   ddger
Depo would have loved Sheff's numbers.
2005-08-11 15:59:04
239.   Benaiah
283 - Anyone would have. I really don't understand why we traded him, that was still in the Malone era too right? Green, Brown, Driefort deserve 10-16 million a year each, but the only one of these players with a good shot at the HoF and still in his productive years, Sheffield, doesn't rate 10 million? That said, I could see Gary asking for more and being a general headcase. We might have needed to trade him, but for Perez and Jordan, no way!
2005-08-11 16:00:07
240.   dzzrtRatt
222 This is from Gameday. I have no idea what it means:

"With Eric Chavez batting, Jason Kendall scores on defensive indifference. Bobby Crosby advances to 2nd on defensive indifference. Missed catch error by pitcher Francisco Rodriguez."

2005-08-11 16:11:53
241.   Ryan Jerz
240 This from the story on Yahoo

When Francisco Rodriguez dropped a simple return throw from his catcher, the Oakland Athletics sneaked into first place all by themselves with perhaps the strangest win anyone had seen in years.

Jason Kendall alertly dashed home from third base with the winning run when Los Angeles' miffed closer flubbed the easy toss, and the A's took sole possession of first in the AL West with a 5-4 come-from-behind victory on Thursday.

2005-08-11 16:12:25
242.   jpeace
240
Frankie dropped the throw back to the mound from the catcher (i think it was jose molina). Kendal scored from third.
2005-08-11 16:13:11
243.   Steve
This is, obviously, what comes from benching the incredible Steve Finley
2005-08-11 16:13:31
244.   molokai
I guess I'm one of the few who can say that he loves both the the Angels and Dodgers. The Angels are fun to watch, the Dodgers aren't. The WS win over the Giants ranks right up there with the Dodger 88 and 81 wins for me.
Better get used to them winning because they are loaded with plenty of trade bait. Stoneman can make plenty of mistakes and they will still win.
I also am a fan of both the Lakers and Clippers so I think I may be unique here.
2005-08-11 16:13:46
245.   fanerman
Jason Kendall showed off his savviness.
2005-08-11 16:19:10
246.   Chris H
237 - I'll give up the extra 5 games a year for an extra 200 points of OPS.
2005-08-11 16:47:02
247.   natepurcell
if my secret plan is fufilled in the offseason, we will have a very deep team for next year.

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