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Met Fans Arrive Late but Stay for Merengue
2005-08-12 17:18
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Tonight's Game

* * *

Medical update from the Mets' press notes:

Mike Cameron sustained multiple facial fractures that will require surgery. Mike also suffered a slight concussion. Carlos Beltran spent the night in the hospital and has been diagnosed with a minimally displaced facial fracture that most likely will not require surgery. He [was] undergoing further imaging this morning. Carlos also sustained a concussion.

Victor Diaz, the minor leaguer the Dodgers sent to New York in the Jeromy Burnitz trade, has been called up by the Mets. Diaz has a career OPS of .819 in 202 plate appearances in the majors.

* * *

Sometime tonight, someone from New York is going to make a snide comment about Dodger fans arriving late and leaving early.

Last month, I went to the July 22 Dodgers-Mets game in Shea Stadium - coincidentally featuring tonight's starters, Victor Zambrano and Jeff Weaver. There was a sellout crowd and eventually that crowd did appear. But at the game's start, there were scads of empty seats, for the same reasons so many Dodger fans miss the call of "Play ball": traffic, on the highways, in the parking lots and in the line to get past security and enter the ballpark.

Once the Met fans did arrive, though, they stayed until the end - again for the same reasons that Dodger fans do, at least when Eric Gagne isn't pitching. It was a good, close game (ending with a 6-5 Dodger victory) and there was a postgame promotion: Merengue Night. It was quite something to leave the game at the end and see crowds gathering at the exits, asking you for your ticket stub so they could take your spot after the game and merengue the night away.

July 26 was my second game at Shea. My memories of the stadium atmosphere at my first visit, a day game in 1989, were not pleasant at all. I know Shea is due to be replaced and many people will be happy about that. But last month at the night game, the ballpark had more of a minor league feel despite its size, and despite humidity that would have caused no one to object to changing Merengue Night to Nudist Night, I found myself quite enjoying it, dump or not.

* * *

Ross Porter was scheduled to be honored this morning by the Los Angeles City Council with a resolution in recognition of 38 years of uninterrupted announcing in the city, 28 of those with the Dodgers.

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2005-08-12 17:32:13
1.   Bob Timmermann
Random Dodger game callback

August 12, 1902

Brooklyn pitcher Frank Kitson slugged a double and a triple and went the distance as the Dodgers beat the Chicago Cubs at Washington Park, 5-4. The win improved the record of second place Brooklyn to 54-43, but they were 17 games behind Pittsburgh.

Brooklyn jumped out to a 4-0 lead after 3 innings as the Dodgers got seven hits early off of Cubs starter Jock Menefee, who played more games in the field in 1902 than as a pitcher. But Brooklyn's defense committed four errors in the fifth and sixth and the Cubs were able to parlay those in to four runs.

In the eighth, third baseman Charlie Irwin led off with a walk against Menefee and moved to second on a sacrifice by second baseman Tim Flood. Catcher Duke Farrell grounded out to third, but Kitson followed with a booming triple to right center to score Irwin with what proved to be the winning run.

Brooklyn finished the year in second place with a 75-63 record. But they finished 27 ½ games behind the Pirates, who finished with an incredible 103-36 record. It was the biggest margin for any National League champion ever. The 1995 Cleveland Indians won the AL Central by 30 games, although they were only 14 games better than the team with the second best record in the league.

The Cubs in 1902 finished in third place. Their lineup on August 12 featured Joe Tinker at shortstop and Frank Chance at first base, but Johnny Evers would not join the team until September 1. Veteran Bobby Lowe played second base on this day.

Kitson led Brooklyn with 19 wins. He was 19-13 with a 2.85 ERA and he batted .276. Bill Donovan went 17-15 with a 2.78 ERA and also filled in at first base, second base, and the outfield. Both Donovan and Kitson would jump to the Detroit Tigers in the fledgling American League for 1903.

Another player who would jump to the AL in 1903 was veteran outfielder Willie Keeler, who led Dodger hitters with a .333 batting average. Keeler would play for the New York Highlanders in 1903.

One player who dropped out of the majors after 1902 was backup catcher Tacks Latimer. (His given name was Clifford). He was 1 for 24 and finished his major league career 19 for 86.

Brooklyn's intracity rival, the Giants, finished in last place in 1902 with a 48-88 record. But help for them was on the way. Brooklyn manager Ned Hanlon's disciple, John McGraw, left the AL Baltimore Orioles (who would become the New York Highlanders in 1903) and became the Giants manager on July 19. And the National League would be much different for the next 30 years.

Thanks to the New York Times, BaseballReference.com and Retrosheet

2005-08-12 17:39:16
2.   LAT
I was at Wed. nights Dodger game. Yahncy hit the first batter and walked the next. . . I left and was glad I did. Who wants to stay and see a 435 foot GS. Leaving early is not always a bad thing.
2005-08-12 17:43:30
3.   Linkmeister
"...changing Merengue Night to Nudist Night"

Oh dear me. That image (given the average age and physical proportions of baseball fans) is one I could have done without.

2005-08-12 17:47:51
4.   Eric Enders
Jon, there was no Dodgers-Mets game on July 26. I think you might mean July 22, which IIRC was Merengue Night. (I was at Shea for the games on the 23rd and 24th... we shoulda met up!)
2005-08-12 17:49:33
5.   Jon Weisman
You're right, Eric - it was the 22nd. I was preoccupied with family the whole time, but if the opportunity ever presents itself again, for sure let's meet up.
2005-08-12 17:50:55
6.   Bob Timmermann
Jon, went to a Super Secret Dodgers-Mets game.

He did not get his chance of fulfilling Icaros's dream of being the Omega Man of Baseball though.

I will be out tonight, but the comments about leaving early will likely be made by Howie Rose on radio.

2005-08-12 17:56:30
7.   Steve
Even having lived through the great Shawn Green Hitting Cleanup Debacle of 04, this is the first year in memory that the publication of the lineup literally scares me every night.
2005-08-12 17:58:00
8.   LAT
Randy Winn breakes scroeless tie with 6 inning HR of D-Train. He has been a nice acquisition for the Giants. Game winning 3R jack last night. Could have used him instead of Mr. 0 for 8 with 6 k, Cruz Jr. But alas hindsight is 20/20.
2005-08-12 18:00:33
9.   King of the Hobos
Hanrahan just hit a chopper over the mound and off the 2B's glove good for a double, one of the shortest doubles I've seen. Scored 2 runs to put the Suns ahead 3-1 (Hanrahan destroyed the streak of 42 innings without an earned run by a starter in the 2nd inning)
2005-08-12 18:01:41
10.   Marty
I'll miss most of tonight's game. I'm going out for my favorite pizza in L.A. Casa Bianca in Eagle Rock.
2005-08-12 18:01:52
11.   Steve
Give Randy Winn a couple of weeks. He'll be Randy Winn again.
2005-08-12 18:02:12
12.   LAT
7 Steve, SG must read DT. Soon as I said he is a stone cold Pepe Frias, he goes yard his first AB tonight. He has always hit Atl. hard, espically Mike Hampton.
2005-08-12 18:04:47
13.   Steve
Green hits Hampton? That's odd.
2005-08-12 18:07:01
14.   Steve
.593! 1.835! You ain't just whistlin' Dixie.
2005-08-12 18:09:30
15.   King of the Hobos
When does Tony Clark become Tony Clark again? I'm getting tired of him. And I still can't figure out why Lamar gave Sosa to Mazzone, I predicted an amazing breakout season by Sosa, and I wasn't let down
2005-08-12 18:10:27
16.   LAT
13 Daughter looked it up last year before Dodger-Braves game we were going to. That day SG hit an Hr and a GS off Hampton. She got so excited, the poor girl's head nearly fell off. She even commented this morning it was too bad Hampton wasn't pitching. She has been waiting for that match-up all season.
2005-08-12 18:11:16
17.   scareduck
11 - like this?

http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/2004/07/mariners-6-angels-5.html

2005-08-12 18:12:49
18.   OaklandAs
8 Cruz Jr. won't cost the Dodgers much, as far as prospects go, since the Red Sox had already designated him for assignment. Getting Winn cost the Giants both Jesse Foppert and Yorvit Torrealba.
2005-08-12 18:15:45
19.   Steve
I saw the March of the Randy Winns a couple of weeks ago. They live in a cold, dark, bleak place.
2005-08-12 18:16:43
20.   Steve
Yeah, I don't get the Randy Winn love. Now the Giants are stuck with Mike Matheny. I know they don't mind, but that doesn't mean they still aren't stuck with him. Like most of us and Izturis.
2005-08-12 18:19:30
21.   Jim Hitchcock
ESPN just listed the pitcher for Minnesota in the Little League regional playoffs as being 5'11, 195 lbs...
2005-08-12 18:21:22
22.   King of the Hobos
20 At least we have Robles and Perez, with Guzman not too far off. They have Yamid Haad, and...very little else. If Matheny goes to the DL, then Haad and Knoedler easily surpass Ross and Mayne as a weak catching tandem
2005-08-12 18:29:20
23.   scareduck
21 - quick, sign him, he's gotta be better than half the guys on the 25-man roster
2005-08-12 18:38:23
24.   King of the Hobos
Megrew's return sounded good. Pitching for the first time this year, he pitched a scoreless inning in the GCL, striking out a batter and walking one.
2005-08-12 18:42:06
25.   Eric Enders
Crap, I just found out the game isn't on TV here... it's blacked out on Extra Innings so that I'll watch my local Mets broadcast... which doesn't exist.
2005-08-12 18:44:13
26.   Robert Fiore
We've all seen east coast fans leaving early on television. I have a theory that the attitude back there might be on the one hand wanting to be in on the kill but on the other hand not wanting to be present for the agony of defeat.

Myself I don't think I've seen the team win until I've seen the last out, but I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why devotion to professional sports is a sign of character.

2005-08-12 18:44:14
27.   GoBears
Well, with Offerman at first, and all 3 OFers out, the Mets lineup might even be worse than the Dodgers'. I'm bettin' on Repko being in there tho...
2005-08-12 18:44:42
28.   Steve
I just hate this team. We have to lose.
2005-08-12 18:45:04
29.   Steve
Floyd is playing. So is Phillips.
2005-08-12 18:45:47
30.   Jim Hitchcock
23 - He'd fit right in. 5 of the first 8 had hits against him, including an opposite field HR.

Whoops, another opposite field HR as I was typing this.

2005-08-12 18:46:01
31.   GoBears
Nope. But Tracy's back to his old tricks:

Izzy SS
Robles 3b
Bradley CF
Kent 2b
Ledee RF
Phillips 1b
Valentin LF
Navarro C
Weaver P

2005-08-12 18:47:33
32.   Steve
The good news for Mets fans is that Wright is finally hitting where he belongs.
2005-08-12 18:47:51
33.   Jim Hitchcock
28 - Steve, you're just going through a little post Provo depression.
2005-08-12 18:48:08
34.   ddger
No Cruz tonight?
2005-08-12 18:49:12
35.   King of the Hobos
SS Izzy
3B Robles
CF Bradley
2B Kent
RF Ledee (finally)
1B Phillips
LF Valentin
C Navarro
P Weaver

vs

SS Reyes
2B Cairo
3B Wright
LF Floyd
C Piazza
1B Offerman
RF Diaz
CF Williams
P Zambrano

Not our optimal line up, but the Mets are hurt so we have a chance...

2005-08-12 18:52:50
36.   Steve
34 -- Cruz is soooo benched. We may never see him again.
2005-08-12 18:58:19
37.   Sam DC
Hope your daughter's watching, LAT. Centerfielder Sean Green 3 for 4, 1 RBI, 2 runs scored, v. Atlanta tonight.
2005-08-12 18:58:43
38.   ddger
Offerman OPS .675, Phillips OPS .678.
2005-08-12 19:09:47
39.   ddger
Has anybody ever been DFA 3 times in same season?
2005-08-12 19:25:19
40.   King of the Hobos
Kuo saved another game for Jacksonville to extend their win streak to 8 games. If only the Dodgers could do that... As for Kuo, he struck out the side in the 9th, didn't look as good in the 8th. They used Carlos Alvarez as a PH, and Kuo batted for himself thanks to injury/ejections/manager refusing to use Langill
2005-08-12 19:27:21
41.   ddger
Jaks are really starting to dominate their league. Is it time to move some up to AAA?
2005-08-12 19:47:32
42.   King of the Hobos
Weaver doesn't look particularly good, thankfully it happened by the only 2 big hitters in the line up (sorry Mike, but you're not exactly dominating this year)
2005-08-12 19:50:00
43.   Odysseus
don't know if this has been discussed

http://tinyurl.com/d77sr

I don't really have a strong opinion

2005-08-12 20:02:06
44.   overkill94
From this day forth, Jason Phillips shall be known as "Risp" and Tracy's usage of him shall be called "Risp management"
2005-08-12 20:02:14
45.   oldbear
Depo has to trade Izturis in the offseason. This nonsense cannot last into next year.

Robles, Izturis at the top of the order makes me want to puke.

Best damn bench in baseball- Cruz, Werth, Saenz, Choi, AP.

I'd start all 5 of those guys if I could.

2005-08-12 20:04:25
46.   Eric Enders
DePo would be stupid to trade Izturis this offseason. This would break the two main rules of good trading, which are: 1) Trade people at their highest value, not lowest value, and 2) Make sure you have a replacement ready.
2005-08-12 20:07:13
47.   King of the Hobos
Thanks to Pat Burrell, the Pads are losing 3-1. This is Peavy's game, so this was the biggest threat. Astacio and Park start the next 2 games...
2005-08-12 20:07:56
48.   oldbear
1. Izturis value wont get any higher. Trade him before he completely drains down to Christian Guzman levels. Izzy is a sinking stock. His high point was winning the GG and hitting .290 last year. He's on the way down. But I dont think is near bottoming out. Get rid of him now.

2. Replacements can come in all forms. Robles, etc...

2005-08-12 20:08:03
49.   Uncle Miltie
46- good post, oldbear doesn't understand basic economics.

Jason Phillips and Cliff Floyd must be good friends.

2005-08-12 20:08:14
50.   overkill94
oldbear, have you watched Cruz the last two nights? not to mention this whole season? he doesn't have a clue up there.
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2005-08-12 20:10:31
51.   overkill94
Well, the PTBNL has been announced in the Cruz trade. I don't think you guys will be too pleased...

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?sport=MLB&id=8070

2005-08-12 20:10:59
52.   King of the Hobos
This game looks like fun...
2005-08-12 20:13:26
53.   Jim Hitchcock
Oh, I don't know. Schrager looked great at the start of spring training, but hewould never have made the 25 man roster.
2005-08-12 20:13:44
54.   King of the Hobos
51 Wow, he was hitting with an average around .240 in Vegas!
2005-08-12 20:13:57
55.   Eric Enders
I'm sure the 51s opponents will miss Schrager's .227 average in the lineup.

What is this, a save face move for Epstein? He can't possibly think Schrager has any value.

2005-08-12 20:14:41
56.   oldbear
50. Yeah, Cruz OPS is .768 this year. And his overall career numbers are .788.

I dont make a snap decision based on 6 at bats. Thats ludicrous.

Cruz as a 3rd OF'er isnt a bad problem to have. And everything is relative. I'd rather have his bat in there than Izzy, Robles, Valentin, Phillips etc... you get the point.

2005-08-12 20:15:00
57.   overkill94
The Red Sox really dropped the ball on Cruz. I'm not familiar with the guys they gave Arizona, but apparently they're a couple decent prospects. Then spinning him for a guy we signed from their organization in the offseason who is hitting .227 in AAA is a joke.
2005-08-12 20:15:08
58.   Steve
Izturis is Delta. His weaknesses are exposed, and Chapter 11 is right around the corner.

This Phillips thing is going to set this franchise back five years. Every base hit is like another dagger to success.

2005-08-12 20:15:29
59.   ddger
51 Whew! What a relief. I was worried we would give up a real prospect. :)
2005-08-12 20:15:47
60.   Uncle Miltie
Schrager was the guy that kept making errors in Spring Training.

3-3 Thank you Dan Evans!

2005-08-12 20:16:01
61.   Steve
Nice to see the Red Sox going after middle infield non-prospects after trading for Alex Cora.
2005-08-12 20:16:25
62.   Odysseus
208/338/416
230/296/380
240/293/385

Let's play another match game

The players are Repko Cruz and Phillips. Match them with their lines.

Cruz is not good, but considering who we were playing, he wasn't a bad acquisition. In fact, of the OFs who moved at the trading deadline he might have been the best, and he was certainly the best deal considering what for example, the Giants gave up.

2005-08-12 20:17:03
63.   ddger
Weaver's going to have to work hard to get a QS tonight.
2005-08-12 20:19:00
64.   Steve
Cruz, Repko, Phillips.

All this Match Game stuff is frustrating. None of these guys are the stuff of winning teams, much less teams that have all three of them at the same time. I couldn't care less which one of those three guys play at any time.

2005-08-12 20:19:32
65.   overkill94
56 As soon as Cruz puts on his SS glove then I'm not sure how much of an argument you have there. Plus, a .754 OPS isn't much to brag about for a corner outfielder with no speed.
2005-08-12 20:19:46
66.   Steve
Good Lord, Zambrano just walked Weaver. And yet I'm going to have to read about Mr. Clutch tomorrow. Bastard Mets.
2005-08-12 20:20:25
67.   Odysseus
Steve wins

The point isn't who we have on the roster, the point is that Tracy has made it his personal mission to put the worst possible lineup on the field.

2005-08-12 20:21:01
68.   King of the Hobos
Weaver walks and Izzy GIDPs. Something wrong here?
2005-08-12 20:21:11
69.   ddger
Izturis should have taken another day off to rest his back.
2005-08-12 20:21:12
70.   overkill94
Until, not "as soon as"
2005-08-12 20:23:05
71.   Odysseus
65 it's a pretty good argument that Cruz is better than Phillips and Repko though. Yes, yes, I know, that's not saying much.
2005-08-12 20:23:57
72.   Kayaker7
Grrrr....Izturis must have something on Tracy...
2005-08-12 20:24:54
73.   oldbear
But Izzy is so fast. Thats why he and Robles are at the top of the lineup. They are fast.
2005-08-12 20:26:07
74.   Kayaker7
I hate to admit it, but if Phillips hits like he did as a firstbaseman in 2003, he'd be pretty good. Not many walks, but pretty good BA and pop. I'm sure that is what Tracy looked at, making the decision to move him to first. The question is, will he match that performance?
2005-08-12 20:26:19
75.   oldbear
Izzy down to .635 OPS for the season. His career OPS is .631

Thank goodness he's so scrappy.

2005-08-12 20:29:12
76.   Brendan
Eric Enders

Any chance that Piazza goes into the Hall as a Dodger?

2005-08-12 20:29:20
77.   Kayaker7
75 Tracy needs to realize that last year was a fluke. Izturis is just returning to form. That is the problem with players that rely so much on BA.
2005-08-12 20:30:36
78.   King of the Hobos
Navarro...throw to the bag, not to the right of it.
2005-08-12 20:32:56
79.   ddger
Now our opponents steal 2 to 3 bases instead of 4 to 5 nightly.
2005-08-12 20:33:25
80.   oldbear
77. Actually, it was DePo's responsibility to realize 2004 was a fluke for Izzy. He didnt, and now were stuck paying 7 mils over the next 2 years to Juan Castro.

And the worst part. Juan Castro gets the most AB's on the team...

2005-08-12 20:35:45
81.   Kayaker7
79 It's better than braindead batter hacking at slop nightly... ;-)

80 You're right. Trading Izturis would have probably resulting in a riot, though.

2005-08-12 20:36:37
82.   Uncle Miltie
Fire Tracy.

Bradley swings 2-0 Groundball
Kent swings 3-0 Flyball

We need baserunners!

2005-08-12 20:37:07
83.   oldbear
Extremely poor plate discipline that inning.

Robles sees 2 pitchs.
Bradley makes an out on 2-0.
Kent makes an out on 3-0.

Take a strike...

2005-08-12 20:37:25
84.   Eric Enders
76 -- Yeah, I'd say there's a chance, albeit a small one. His best years were with the Dodgers, but his Mets career was much longer. His career is split enough that the HOF may give him some input on which cap goes on his plaque. I'm guessing if it came down to that, he'd pick the Mets, unless their upcoming divorce this offseason is uncommonly messy.
2005-08-12 20:37:49
85.   Steve
Our own braindead zombie version of the Angels. Fantastic.
2005-08-12 20:39:29
86.   Kayaker7
82 Tracy has green lighted Kent with the count 3-0 several times this year. The same thing with Valentin right after he got back from the DL. Veterans get special treatment.
2005-08-12 20:43:44
87.   Odysseus
what about professionals?
2005-08-12 20:44:58
88.   Eric Enders
"82 Tracy has green lighted Kent with the count 3-0 several times this year."
-----

My guess is that Tracy has given Kent the green light on every single 3-0 count he's had this year. Kent just usually chooses not to swing.

And you know what? Kent SHOULD be greenlighted on 3-0, as should every hitter of his caliber. Look up his season & career splits on that count if you disagree.

2005-08-12 20:45:22
89.   Brendan
I was hoping they traded him this year and maybe tick him off. I figure he goes in as Met because number of years and politics. Still kills me.
2005-08-12 20:47:42
90.   Odysseus
another professional at bat

someone shoot me

2005-08-12 20:47:48
91.   King of the Hobos
If Phillips can keep this up against his former team, I will not complain
2005-08-12 20:50:10
92.   chumsferd
You guys ever notice how Ledee takes massive cuts early in the count? I like it, actually, but he swings as hard as he can.
2005-08-12 20:52:07
93.   Jon Weisman
Whose hat is Frank Robinson wearing in the Hall?
2005-08-12 20:54:20
94.   franklin
Orioles
2005-08-12 20:54:56
95.   Odysseus
92 That's Morgan Ensberg's key to success:

'You know when you swing really hard? That's awesome. You need to do that all the time,'

http://tinyurl.com/9qbbp

or, as Rotoworld said "Sounds a little like Chris Farley interviewing Paul McCartney on SNL."

2005-08-12 20:55:50
96.   oldbear
Reyes with an 0-2 single... This might be the inning that Weaver collapses.
2005-08-12 20:58:20
97.   overkill94
Gotta have that one Izzy.

Does anyone else get the feeling that Izturis doesn't seem as intense anymore? His hitting and fielding seem to be a bit more lackadaisical since he started slumping.

2005-08-12 20:58:29
98.   oldbear
Wow. They pitchout and Navarro still cant get him. Whats going on?
2005-08-12 21:00:08
99.   oldbear
Its about to get out of control very soon. Weaver doenst have anything tonite.
2005-08-12 21:00:59
100.   overkill94
Weaver...you suck...you can't even pitch a decent game against a depleted Mets line-up
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2005-08-12 21:01:00
101.   Odysseus
as if on cue
2005-08-12 21:01:52
102.   oldbear
Who didnt see that coming? At the 1st sign of pressure, Weaver folds up like a cheap tent.
2005-08-12 21:02:13
103.   Steve
Gaze upon the beauty of a real actual professional hitter. I would trade this whole team for David Wright.
2005-08-12 21:02:49
104.   Kayaker7
99 You called it.
2005-08-12 21:03:06
105.   Uncle Miltie
Izturis is probably out of shape or injured. He has slowed down this year on the bases and in the field.

The Weaver Collapse™ has begun.

2005-08-12 21:03:45
106.   ddger
David Wright is what we hope LaRoche will become next year.
2005-08-12 21:04:28
107.   overkill94
Wow, Piazza falls for that sidearm slider every time, it's like he's not even trying
2005-08-12 21:05:42
108.   Kayaker7
105 If true, the manager shouldn't be shoving him in the lineup.
2005-08-12 21:07:16
109.   Kayaker7
Weaver is hitting, so I guess he'll pitch another inning...
2005-08-12 21:08:46
110.   Steve
Perfect time for a bunt.
2005-08-12 21:09:41
111.   Kayaker7
Yahoo! sporst says that Weaver singled to catcher. ?????
2005-08-12 21:10:10
112.   ddger
What a nonscrappy and nonsavvy game by Izturis tonight.
2005-08-12 21:12:29
113.   King of the Hobos
111 Yep. Swinging bunt and Zambrano and Piazza collided...sorta. More like a slow bump as the ball rolled away
2005-08-12 21:12:35
114.   Nagman
111 - Swinging bunt. Piazza and Zambrano did a "I got it, I got it, you take it."
2005-08-12 21:12:53
115.   ddger
Will Tracy go through this whole season before he realizes in the off season that he shouldn't have batted Izturis leadoff this year.
2005-08-12 21:14:31
116.   overkill94
If we can get to the Mets' bullpen early we have a good chance tonight...then again they're probably saying the same thing.
2005-08-12 21:15:13
117.   ddger
Maybe we should trade Weaver this month.
2005-08-12 21:15:52
118.   King of the Hobos
Bradley didn't help us very much =(

Kent's not playing tomorrow, Houlton is starting, and were going against Seo, who has a 1.42 ERA. He replaced Ishii in the rotation, I'd rather see Ishii

2005-08-12 21:16:12
119.   Uncle Miltie
115- hopefully Tracy will not be managing the Dodgers by the time he figures out that he made a mistake
2005-08-12 21:17:27
120.   oldbear
We should have had the bases juiced for Kent. But Bradley with terrible plate discpline, and GIDP.

Two pretty poor at bats by Bradley the last 2 times up.

As for Izzy, geez..

2005-08-12 21:18:06
121.   Kayaker7
113 114 Thanks. Those are the best bunts. I've had a few in my life. Fools 'em every time. Only if you could have the opposite: bunting homer.
2005-08-12 21:18:31
122.   overkill94
Note to Weaver: stop throwing curveballs to Diaz
2005-08-12 21:18:31
123.   King of the Hobos
That was a strange homer, I swore it was a pop up by his reaction and it didn't look that good
2005-08-12 21:18:39
124.   oldbear
Thank goodness Evans traded that kid for Burnitz...
2005-08-12 21:18:55
125.   Eric Enders
Gee, it's a good thing the Mets don't have their starting outfielders.
2005-08-12 21:18:58
126.   Nagman
That was weird, from his reaction I thought he popped up.
2005-08-12 21:19:18
127.   Uncle Miltie
Thanks again Evans
2005-08-12 21:19:27
128.   King of the Hobos
126 You're not the only one
2005-08-12 21:20:07
129.   oldbear
Yeah know last nite was a pretty good game. Most of the right parts were in the lineup. We had a good starting performance.

Tonite, more of the same. Bad pitching, bad lineup, and a bad result.

2005-08-12 21:20:55
130.   overkill94
From that close-up...is Weaver growing a moustache? That would be awesome.
2005-08-12 21:21:38
131.   Kayaker7
Weaver must have put something special in a pitch for it to turn a popup into a homer.
2005-08-12 21:22:44
132.   ddger
Typical Tracy move, let pitcher hit to get 1 more inning and in the next inning he gives up 1 or more runs.

With the way our bullpen is going, maybe 1 run for 1 extra inning by our starter is acceptable.

2005-08-12 21:23:24
133.   Kayaker7
130 Weaver must have noticed that, with the exception of Izturis, the facial hair guys get regular playing time.
2005-08-12 21:23:54
134.   ddger
Weaver takes the HR lead from Lowe. 24 to 22 so far.
2005-08-12 21:25:21
135.   ddger
I don't think our bullpen will be a factor tonight.
2005-08-12 21:25:22
136.   oldbear
Plenty of brain dead hacking going on by the Blue tonite. They swing as if they just want to get the game over.
2005-08-12 21:25:45
137.   ddger
Since we're behind by 3, Tracy will use Carrara.
2005-08-12 21:26:35
138.   ddger
Maybe we should use Braz, he's better with more frequent work anyway.
2005-08-12 21:26:38
139.   Nagman
137 - who will give up a couple more so we can all go do something else.
2005-08-12 21:27:50
140.   King of the Hobos
Phillips swung at a 84 mph fastball and missed. He looked terrible on that swing...
2005-08-12 21:27:56
141.   Nagman
What's the difference in movement between a 2-seamer and a 4-seamer. Vin is identifying them, I'm wondering.
2005-08-12 21:28:05
142.   overkill94
Of course Risp didn't get a hit, it wasn't the right time.
2005-08-12 21:28:16
143.   ddger
I actually thought that we could sweep the Mets and SD loses 2 out of 3 this weekend.
2005-08-12 21:28:50
144.   oldbear
Zambrano K's the side on nothing but garbage pitches.
2005-08-12 21:29:06
145.   Uncle Miltie
That brain dead goggles Phillips swung at some serious slop.

Maybe Choi and Perez should grow goatees.

2005-08-12 21:29:19
146.   King of the Hobos
136 Victor Zambrano...if they never swing, we have 6 runs just from the walks. I can't believe they're swinging like this guy will feed them a strike every pitch
2005-08-12 21:30:22
147.   ddger
Robles is the only patient hitter we have in the lineup.
2005-08-12 21:30:29
148.   King of the Hobos
137 Good job. Although predicting Tracy has gotten ridiculously easy
2005-08-12 21:30:34
149.   overkill94
141 A 4-seamer is the straighest fastball you can throw since the seams all rotate the same way in its trajectory; this is used to throw your hardest fastball or for the best accuracy. A 2-seamer has more action and usually runs in on a right-hander (with a righty pitching); this is used by more finesse pitchers since it can't reach the same speed as a 4-seamer.
2005-08-12 21:30:46
150.   oldbear
143. I did also. But I was under the impression that we'd have the correct lineup (or as correct as Tracy can figure out) out on the field. When I saw Izzy/Robles again at the top of the order, that pushed me back into acceptance. I was under a denial impression last nite, but Trace put me right back into acceptance mode with the guys he put out on the field tonite.
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2005-08-12 21:30:50
151.   Kayaker7
141 I don't know how you would identify them by looking. The 4-seamer supposely has more movement, due to the air contact with all four spinning seams. But still, IDing by eye would appear impossible.
2005-08-12 21:31:19
152.   ddger
Why don't we use Braz here, he can't do that much more damage than Carrara?
2005-08-12 21:31:29
153.   Uncle Miltie
141- it's the way a pitch holds the ball, either with their fingers on 4 seams of the ball or 2. 4 seamers are usually thrown harder with less movement while 2 seamers have more movement, but with less velocity.
2005-08-12 21:32:49
154.   Nagman
149, 151 - conflicting answers but thanks. Scully on more than one occasion tonight has identified one or the other.
2005-08-12 21:33:06
155.   King of the Hobos
We are down by 3 runs with little hope for a comeback. Carrara will strike out the side
2005-08-12 21:33:18
156.   ddger
153. I think Tracy is just tired. He wants to end this season as quickly as possible. He's glad that SD is starting to win.
2005-08-12 21:34:02
157.   Nagman
156. Frankly speaking, I've been waiting for the Padres to put us out of our misery as well.
2005-08-12 21:34:14
158.   Kayaker7
Okay, got it. The 4 seams make the ball drop less, due to the backspin providing lift. Some batter even claim that the ball rises...which is impossible.
2005-08-12 21:34:35
159.   ddger
156 Sorry that was not a response to 153.
2005-08-12 21:35:50
160.   overkill94
154 Mine and 153's version is correct. I was a pitcher through high school and mostly threw a 4-seamer, but the 2-seamer was a useful pitch when trying to jam someone. My favorite was the cutter though, my catcher frequently mistook it for a slider it moved so much.
2005-08-12 21:36:14
161.   ddger
Weaver must have been throwing 3 seamers all night.
2005-08-12 21:37:38
162.   Eric Enders
Regarding the conflicting info, 149 and 153 are correct -- a 2-seam generally has more movement, while a 4-seam is usually slightly faster.
2005-08-12 21:37:45
163.   overkill94
158 One of my favorite stories is the Padres pitcher who went to MIT (can't remember his name) who explained in detail to one of his teammates why a fastball can't rise. Apparently the other guy just shrugged his shoulders as if he were speaking japanese.
2005-08-12 21:37:54
164.   Uncle Miltie
151- just guessing, but you weren't a pitcher ;). I always used the 2 seamer more since I never really threw hard.

Here's a good explanation
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/sports/1283281.html?c=y&page=3

2005-08-12 21:38:47
165.   oldbear
Haren pitched 9 innings and gave up 1 run.
Santana pitched 9 innings and gave up 0 runs.

Twins win 1-0. Game only took 2 hours.

2005-08-12 21:39:53
166.   ddger
Even Steiner was surprised and said "a good inning by Carrara". Guess he hasn't said that much this year.
2005-08-12 21:41:14
167.   King of the Hobos
The Padres are down 3-2, with one more inning to play. If they hold the Phillies back, they'll have to score a run off Wagner using Randa, Greene, and Olivo. Why can't they cut off our life support already?
2005-08-12 21:41:17
168.   Nagman
164 Thanks, great info.

Since Vin is not giving updates, and nobody else here is, Urbina just put down the Padres 3-4-5 hitters in the eigth, Phillies 3-2 still.

2005-08-12 21:41:34
169.   ddger
I don't think Weaver will be any more than a .500 pitcher. He will eat up innings and give up QS but he's usually just good enough to lose.
2005-08-12 21:42:11
170.   Kayaker7
163 Yeah, I've read that the "rising" fastball just appears that way because it drops less, from the aerodynamic lift provided by the backspin.

164 No, I'm not a pitcher. But I think I understand now. Still doesn't make sense the 2 seamer would have any sideway movement, unless the spin is not 12 to 6.

2005-08-12 21:43:08
171.   Eric Enders
"Even Steiner was surprised and said "a good inning by Carrara"."
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I noticed that, too. He said it as if something unimaginably absurd had just happened.

2005-08-12 21:43:23
172.   ddger
Since he only throws fastball, does Braz only throw 4 seamers on his fastball or does he throw 2 seamers also.
2005-08-12 21:43:23
173.   overkill94
This could lead to something good...
2005-08-12 21:43:40
174.   King of the Hobos
Good job Valentin. Only 3 walks vs Zambrano is embarassing. As for Navarro, no swinging
2005-08-12 21:44:39
175.   Nagman
171 I guess like anchormen editorialize with their eyebrows, radio announcers do it with inflection of their voice.
2005-08-12 21:45:20
176.   ddger
Valentin has more walks than hits (22 to 18) this year.
2005-08-12 21:45:26
177.   Nagman
Red light!
2005-08-12 21:45:27
178.   Uncle Miltie
By the way, Juan Encarnacion throws 1 seamers.
2005-08-12 21:45:43
179.   Uncle Miltie
Don't swing Navarro!
2005-08-12 21:45:49
180.   ddger
If you can't hit it you might as well watch it.
2005-08-12 21:45:53
181.   Xeifrank
WEC is now at 19.9% with Navarro batting.
vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:46:13
182.   overkill94
170Well, for some reason my pitches always had more movement than a normal person, I think my wrist is arranged strangely. The 2-seamer definitely moves more than the 4-seamer though.
2005-08-12 21:47:02
183.   Xeifrank
Who is the new Mets pitcher? Lefty or righty? Did they announce Choi yet?
vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:47:41
184.   Eric Enders
172 -- Don't know for sure, but since Braz has about the straightest fastball I've ever seen, I'm assuming it's a 4-seamer.

Maybe he needs to learn the other one.

2005-08-12 21:47:53
185.   King of the Hobos
Colburn, Tracy, and Lett should go the play the OF. We seem to have a thing for playing an OF full of "J" names. I'm still waiting for Weaver, Kent, and someone, and eventually Hanrahan, Guzman and someone. Broxton, Figueroa, and someone might also
2005-08-12 21:47:57
186.   ddger
Does Navarro throw 2 seamers on his throws to 2nd?
2005-08-12 21:48:24
187.   Mark Linsey
183- Hellman, a righty. Choi coming up!
2005-08-12 21:49:08
188.   Kayaker7
They should pinch hit for Carrara AND Izturis.
2005-08-12 21:49:34
189.   Xeifrank
Ok Choi, don't hit into a double play!
vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:51:14
190.   overkill94
186 It sure looks like he does, those things sail as if he's throwing sidearm.
2005-08-12 21:52:23
191.   Xeifrank
Choi comes through!!!!!!!!!! vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:52:35
192.   King of the Hobos
Good job...now Izzy...=(
2005-08-12 21:53:20
193.   oldbear
We really should pinch hit for Izturis. Tracy is an idiot letting him hit with the bases juiced and 0 outs.

Bat AP!!!

2005-08-12 21:53:21
194.   overkill94
Way to go Izzy!
2005-08-12 21:53:42
195.   Nagman
That may have some interesting consequences.
2005-08-12 21:53:49
196.   King of the Hobos
If Izzy won't get on by his own means, then let Heilman do it. Heilman just gave us a huge present
2005-08-12 21:54:12
197.   ddger
Tracy will complain that Choi didn't hit 3 run HR.
2005-08-12 21:54:20
198.   Xeifrank
Ouch! That looked like it hurt. Met bullpen looks as bad as ours. Should be a fun last 3 innings. vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:54:24
199.   oldbear
Well, if there's one way to get on base. Thats it.
2005-08-12 21:54:27
200.   Steve
Good Lord, the Mets are incompetent.
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2005-08-12 21:54:49
201.   Eric Enders
See if we can get him to hit Phillips too.
2005-08-12 21:54:50
202.   Kayaker7
That's hilarious. It you can't hit 'em, get hit!
2005-08-12 21:55:04
203.   Nagman
Pads lose. Urbina-Wagner... Schmoll-Sanchez just doesn't have the same ring to it.
2005-08-12 21:56:11
204.   ddger
I don't think Tracy PH for Izzy in the last 2 years.
2005-08-12 21:56:23
205.   overkill94
Woo hoo Robles!
2005-08-12 21:56:31
206.   Steve
201 -- we already tried that and he rose from the dead
2005-08-12 21:56:35
207.   Jim Hitchcock
Oh I wish to see an Oscar Robles base hit,

That is what I'd truly like to see...

2005-08-12 21:56:41
208.   Xeifrank
Choi comes home to tie the score.
vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:56:52
209.   Odysseus
Robles, professional, clutch, etc.
2005-08-12 21:57:06
210.   Steve
That's my shortstop.
2005-08-12 21:57:08
211.   Eric Enders
When was the last time we had a comeback like this? Mid-April?
2005-08-12 21:57:09
212.   King of the Hobos
ROBLES!!! And still no outs with Bradley and Kent!! Great job Heilman, you hit the one batter that's an esy out. Weaver was 1-1 with a walk, and Izzy couldn't do anything
2005-08-12 21:57:56
213.   Xeifrank
Would be pretty funny if Tracy had Bradley bunt. vr, Xei
2005-08-12 21:58:07
214.   King of the Hobos
Oh how quickly denial returns
2005-08-12 21:58:09
215.   oldbear
Milton do something right this time. Please. Have some discipline.
2005-08-12 21:58:30
216.   ddger
We might win a game in which Carrara pitches.
2005-08-12 21:59:06
217.   ddger
That's terrible at bat, Milton.
2005-08-12 21:59:09
218.   King of the Hobos
At least he didn't GIDP again. C'mon Kent!
2005-08-12 22:00:00
219.   oldbear
Whats with Bradley swingin at slop all nite? Geez.
2005-08-12 22:00:37
220.   ddger
Since the 12-2 start, we haven't had a 4 game winning streak all season. Can we sweep these Mets this weekend?
2005-08-12 22:00:48
221.   Xeifrank
Phillips is in the hole. Mets better be careful. vr, Xei
2005-08-12 22:00:49
222.   Eric Enders
All year, I think you mean.
2005-08-12 22:01:09
223.   King of the Hobos
Kent just swung at a terrible 2 seamer...
2005-08-12 22:02:12
224.   Xeifrank
Don't do anything stupid like a "hit and run" Tracy! vr, Xei
2005-08-12 22:03:25
225.   Xeifrank
224. What did I say about the HIT AND RUN!!!!!!! FJT, Xei
2005-08-12 22:03:40
226.   Odysseus
wow, you know we're in trouble when Piazza can throw our basefunners out but we can't throw anyone out
2005-08-12 22:03:54
227.   King of the Hobos
What a bad ending...

Vin is having a hard time with Zambrano's first name. Remember, Carlos is the good one who won't go down in history as "that guy who was traded for Scott Kazmir"

2005-08-12 22:04:03
228.   oldbear
Kent and Bradly with 6 straight garbage at bats...

If these guys dont swing, they'd have been walked 6 times already.

2005-08-12 22:04:37
229.   Eric Enders
Momentum may already be back with the Mets after that miserable end to the inning.
2005-08-12 22:05:11
230.   King of the Hobos
Can our bullpen hold the tie (better than the Mets')?
2005-08-12 22:05:28
231.   ddger
Robles 0 for 6 in stolen base attempts. Doesn't Tracy even look at these numbers.
2005-08-12 22:06:09
232.   Kayaker7
Wow...I'm speechless.
2005-08-12 22:06:10
233.   Eric Enders
"Vin is having a hard time with Zambrano's first name. Remember, Carlos is the good one who won't go down in history as "that guy who was traded for Scott Kazmir""
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He's already called Carlos Beltran, Carlos Delgado tonight. The last thing we need is to confuse him with another Carlos.

I'm glad Chan Ho Park came through as a pinch hitter tonight, though!

2005-08-12 22:06:15
234.   Steve
Good Lord, the Dodgers are incompetent

That makes the speedsters at the top of our lineup 7 for 21 in stolen base attempts.

I like how Piazza went for the trailing runner. Very subtle message there.

2005-08-12 22:06:25
235.   ddger
Eventually even Robles will steal a base.
2005-08-12 22:06:34
236.   Uncle Miltie
Ummm...Robles is the 2nd slowest player on the team behind Phillips. Even Izturis would have been successful at 2nd.

Steiner "Phillips has soft hands"

2005-08-12 22:07:10
237.   chumsferd
first and second, no outs, 3 and 4 hitters come up and we get nothing. At least we had a Choi siting.
2005-08-12 22:07:42
238.   Kayaker7
231 Tracy only looks at stats when it looking for something to support his decisions. That steal attempt was scrappy though.
2005-08-12 22:07:49
239.   oldbear
Makes no sense to hit n run. But I'm also pissed at Kent because ever since the 3-0 green light garbage, he's put up 2 terrible at bats.
2005-08-12 22:07:52
240.   Eric Enders
Miltie,
If you're willing to put your money where your mouth is, I'll put $50 on Robles in a footrace with "Born Under a Bad" Saenz.
2005-08-12 22:08:00
241.   Steve
"Phillips has soft hands"

This is a malady called "Repko Disease" and defined as gushing over a play that anybody at that position could have made.

2005-08-12 22:08:09
242.   King of the Hobos
235 Even Mo Vaughn had a SB, so you're probably right
2005-08-12 22:08:14
243.   Mark Linsey
To be fair, Kent leads the team in GIDP (which is why the runners went, and not to avoid the double steal), and some of the Heilman's low pitches that they were swinging had had a fairly late break on them.

Still, sending the runners was probably a bad move because it forced Kent to chase one of those even if he wasn't fooled by the late break.

2005-08-12 22:08:49
244.   Mark Linsey
I meant to say, not to try a double steal
2005-08-12 22:09:27
245.   Kayaker7
237 Choi is becoming like Elvis.
2005-08-12 22:09:48
246.   King of the Hobos
Schmoll didn't need to do that, save a DP, now Diaz will come up
2005-08-12 22:10:10
247.   Eric Enders
Well, I sure hope the runners weren't going in order to avoid the double steal. Although I guess that's what ended up happening...
2005-08-12 22:10:13
248.   ddger
Weaver must be happy since he won't get the loss tonight.
2005-08-12 22:10:56
249.   chumsferd
At least we can count on Piazza not stealing on us.
2005-08-12 22:11:03
250.   Eric Enders
248 -- Pot brownies for everybody after the game!
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2005-08-12 22:11:27
251.   Kayaker7
243 I wonder if Kent leads in GIDP because he had so many opportunities, or because he is more prone to do that.
2005-08-12 22:11:50
252.   ddger
Postgame interview, Tracy will say "Jeff battled tonight and gave us a chance to win."

Why don't you just say "With a decent outing by Jeff, we could have easily won this game without extending our bullpen"

2005-08-12 22:11:58
253.   King of the Hobos
Diaz up. C;mon Schmoll, he's done enough damage
2005-08-12 22:13:05
254.   oldbear
WIth the 3-2 count though, there's no reason for Kent to chase. If he walks, its a deadball. Runners move up anyways.
2005-08-12 22:14:27
255.   Steve
Kent and Juan Castro have the most PAs on the club I would guess, without looking.
2005-08-12 22:15:11
256.   oldbear
Just occurred to me that there are some ex-Dodger minor leaguers playing for the Mets.

Piazza, Diaz, Offerman, and Cairo.

2005-08-12 22:16:09
257.   King of the Hobos
At least it wasn't a homer. We needed him toensure a Williams-PH-Reyes inning
2005-08-12 22:16:54
258.   Uncle Miltie
Walk him, who do the Mets have left on the bench?
2005-08-12 22:17:21
259.   oldbear
Schmoll come on. Surely you can get these scrubs out...
2005-08-12 22:18:56
260.   ddger
Their scrubs match up well against our scrubs.
2005-08-12 22:19:11
261.   Eric Enders
"Just occurred to me that there are some ex-Dodger minor leaguers playing for the Mets.
Piazza, Diaz, Offerman, and Cairo."

And some guy named Pedro something...

2005-08-12 22:19:28
262.   overkill94
I love how Schmol points up every time there's a foul ball pop-up, as if he's really hoping he can get out of the inning cheaply.
2005-08-12 22:19:48
263.   King of the Hobos
ROBLES!! Nice catch, that was an easy run
2005-08-12 22:20:29
264.   Jim Hitchcock
250 - Hey, I'm up for that!

233 I don't think Vinnie will ever top calling a certain pitcher Hideo Homo last year.

2005-08-12 22:20:31
265.   Eric Enders
Somebody is going to have to describe this play for me, because Steiner's description ain't cutting it.
2005-08-12 22:20:43
266.   ddger
Robles is having quite a game tonight. If only he doesn't try to steal.
2005-08-12 22:20:49
267.   oldbear
Our bullpen, wow. Schmoll manages to get out of it.
2005-08-12 22:21:00
268.   King of the Hobos
Our bullpen has been too good today. Something's brewing...
2005-08-12 22:21:05
269.   Nagman
Okay, so AP wouldn't have made that play but he would've knocked in a few runs so it wouldn't have been critical.

Oh wait, Robles is 3 for 4 with 2 rbis...

2005-08-12 22:21:30
270.   Uncle Miltie
I met Anderson once when he was in Philly. Nice guy, he's having a great year as a pinch hitter. Robles with a clutch catch!
2005-08-12 22:21:49
271.   King of the Hobos
265 Line drive down the line that Robles somehow dives and catch just before it hit the ground. Wasn't hit too hard
2005-08-12 22:22:12
272.   Kayaker7
The game is in hand. Clutch Master is coming up.
2005-08-12 22:22:21
273.   Steve
That's the patented "Carrara Method" for getting out of innings.
2005-08-12 22:23:04
274.   Steve
271 -- This sounds like another Repko Disease play to me.
2005-08-12 22:23:20
275.   King of the Hobos
273 I thought the "Carrara Method" involved more walks and XBHs. Am I wrong?
2005-08-12 22:23:33
276.   Nagman
I have to say, looking ahead, our bench is loaded.
2005-08-12 22:24:41
277.   King of the Hobos
We've gotten lucky with the comebackers today
2005-08-12 22:24:44
278.   ddger
Only if Tracy uses it wisely.
2005-08-12 22:24:55
279.   Steve
275 -- That's how he gets into innings. I'm only talking about how he gets out of innings.
2005-08-12 22:26:05
280.   King of the Hobos
Clutch master up with aman on. Repko better steal, Phillips isn't so good with a man on first
2005-08-12 22:26:27
281.   ddger
Carrara only has stay on the roster through this month to make it through whole season.
2005-08-12 22:27:42
282.   Eric Enders
Seriously, I think we need to get Maury Wills to start spending more time at Dodger Stadium. This team has the worst ratio of baserunner speed to basestealing success I've ever seen.
2005-08-12 22:28:08
283.   King of the Hobos
Phillips to bunt...this can't end very good
2005-08-12 22:28:17
284.   chumsferd
repko must steal, phillips must bat him to third.
2005-08-12 22:28:18
285.   Nagman
The Season of the Bunt continues...
2005-08-12 22:29:18
286.   King of the Hobos
I actually agree with a bunt. Although that's more because who was batting than the situation
2005-08-12 22:29:55
287.   oldbear
Gameday has totally stalled on me. Someone describe the action.
2005-08-12 22:30:01
288.   Eric Enders
Yeah, the bunt was not a bad play in this situation, given the score, inning, and especially the batter.
2005-08-12 22:31:10
289.   Sam DC
Allright, it's one thing for me to be stuck up absurdly late, taking in the end of this game. But it's another thing entirely to be stuck here making my 6 am (EST) wakeup miserable, with my gameday. Is there some massive beachball thing going on or something? I'm frozen on Marlon Anderson at the end of the top of the eighth.
2005-08-12 22:31:13
290.   ddger
Phillips is only good with RISP.
2005-08-12 22:31:37
291.   Sam DC
grrrr . . . my gameday frozen
2005-08-12 22:31:55
292.   King of the Hobos
Wp, Jose must put it in the air deep...
2005-08-12 22:32:01
293.   Steve
Bunt for Valentin and Navarro? With God knows who coming out for the Top of the 9th?

Nope.

2005-08-12 22:32:10
294.   Eric Enders
If it's any consolation, I'm listening to SteinDay and am equally clueless as to what's going on in the game...
2005-08-12 22:32:31
295.   ddger
Try GameCenter

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/gamecenter/live/MLB_20050812_NYM@LA

2005-08-12 22:32:41
296.   Steve
CBS Sportsline is going, but probably behind
2005-08-12 22:32:56
297.   Nagman
Ledee lined hard off the pitchers leg, Repko ran for him, Phillips sb'd him to second, now Repko to third on a wild pitch. 2-2 to Valentin. You're caught up.
2005-08-12 22:34:22
298.   King of the Hobos
Valentin walked, 1st and 3rd, 1 out, Navarro up
2005-08-12 22:34:28
299.   Gen3Blue
Gameday is frozen!
2005-08-12 22:34:34
300.   Eric Enders
"Phillips sb'd him to second..."
============

As he's done with so many opposing runners this year.

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2005-08-12 22:34:34
301.   Sam DC
that's surprising: espn.com gamecast is also stuck at the same spot. common data source?
2005-08-12 22:34:36
302.   Mark Linsey
Well my MLB.TV feed just cut out, last I saw was the wild pitch and repko taking third. The last words to come out of Vin's mouth were "Duaner Sanchez is wa..." and then the stream stopped. I guess not even my computer can take it anymore, though based on tonight the Mets' bullpen seems to be in an even sorrier state than ours.
2005-08-12 22:35:03
303.   Eric Enders
Probably the phone line in the press box went dead or something.
2005-08-12 22:35:31
304.   ddger
When did Valentin become such a walk machine (23 walks with 100 AB).
2005-08-12 22:35:55
305.   Sam DC
thanks.
2005-08-12 22:36:28
306.   Ryan Jerz
Dioner up, corners, 1 out. DP looks way too obvious here. He must squeeze!
2005-08-12 22:36:31
307.   Mark Linsey
Why a pitchout in that situation? Can Valentin run? Why would he?
2005-08-12 22:36:39
308.   King of the Hobos
3-0 to Navarro
2005-08-12 22:37:06
309.   Sam DC
I guess it's back, but it says "pitchout" which seems pretty nonsensical to me.
2005-08-12 22:37:25
310.   King of the Hobos
3-2, Valentin stole 2nd
2005-08-12 22:37:26
311.   ddger
Tracy should have tried a squeeze here.
2005-08-12 22:37:45
312.   Ryan Jerz
Well, 3-0, guess that's out. But take the DP away, please. Hit and run or something.
2005-08-12 22:37:48
313.   Steve
306 explains 307
2005-08-12 22:38:17
314.   King of the Hobos
Navarro walks, bases loaded, 1 out, Saenz up. NO DP OLMEDO!
2005-08-12 22:38:49
315.   Nagman
Except when they pitched out.

Its nice to see we're not the only ones who suffer with a crappy pen.

2005-08-12 22:38:56
316.   ddger
Can you get a SF?
2005-08-12 22:39:11
317.   Sam DC
313 and 309 too -- thanks again mini-vins.
2005-08-12 22:39:14
318.   Steve
Glad we pulled off that bunt earlier in the inning. If we hadn't, the bases would be loaded. Or something like that.
2005-08-12 22:40:11
319.   oldbear
Navarro's an OBP machine. Great eye for that young man.

Now if Saenz can do something good. Not what he did against STL a few weeks ago.

2005-08-12 22:40:47
320.   Nagman
Don't look at the on deck circle.
2005-08-12 22:41:13
321.   King of the Hobos
Swung for strike 3. Izzy up. My hopes just crashed. HBP would be nice
2005-08-12 22:41:21
322.   oldbear
Olmedo good grief...
2005-08-12 22:41:21
323.   oldbear
Olmedo good grief...
2005-08-12 22:41:58
324.   Steve
Jump in front of another one!
2005-08-12 22:42:20
325.   King of the Hobos
Izzy swung at ball 2. Why is he swinging at all?
2005-08-12 22:42:37
326.   Steve
Maybe he'll pull a "Dodger Pitching Staff to Eckstein" and throw him an off-speed pitch
2005-08-12 22:43:06
327.   oldbear
Does Izzy have any regressin to the mean hits left in him? Or a walk, or anything...
2005-08-12 22:43:16
328.   Jim Hitchcock
Ohfercryinoutloud...
2005-08-12 22:43:16
329.   Linkmeister
Yahoo has this in the fifth inning:

J. Weaver singled to catcher

Huh?

2005-08-12 22:43:18
330.   King of the Hobos
Izzy flies out. A run if we had only 1 out...
2005-08-12 22:44:00
331.   oldbear
Izturis i hate you.
2005-08-12 22:44:26
332.   King of the Hobos
A 1-2-3 inning would be nice right here. Especially as #4 is Wright
2005-08-12 22:45:31
333.   Ryan Jerz
Why is any lead-off hitter outside of Rickey flying out, ever? Seriously. And on a pitch down, out of the zone, no less?
2005-08-12 22:45:33
334.   Nagman
Has anybody heard anything about Drew? Tomorrow is six weeks since the injury. Initially we heard 6-8 weeks.
2005-08-12 22:45:34
335.   Uncle Miltie
Olmedo lets the team down by not making contact. Izzy then hits a flyball that would have scored a run.
2005-08-12 22:45:41
336.   King of the Hobos
Sanchez in for his 4th straight game
2005-08-12 22:45:45
337.   Steve
Izturis: The Omen IV
2005-08-12 22:47:29
338.   Jim Hitchcock
Link: Swinging bunt, neither Piazza nor the pitcher picked it up.
2005-08-12 22:48:08
339.   King of the Hobos
Izzy makes a nice play to get Reyes
2005-08-12 22:49:00
340.   Dodgersrock24
Finally, a Dodger pitcher got out of the ninth inning without giving up a run. Good job Sanchez.
2005-08-12 22:49:17
341.   Linkmeister
Ah, Thanks, Jim. It looked very odd in the play-by-play.
2005-08-12 22:49:25
342.   King of the Hobos
Nice job Sanchez. I love these quick innings for our relievers. I might accept him fully as our closer
2005-08-12 22:49:27
343.   oldbear
Can Duaner put back-back 1-2-3 innings together?
2005-08-12 22:50:28
344.   Steve
Six pitches. The Mets are so incompetent. That they are over .500 is an indictment of expansion.
2005-08-12 22:50:30
345.   King of the Hobos
Robles-Bradley-Kent. The latter 2 need to pick things up, no swinging at bad balls
2005-08-12 22:50:42
346.   ddger
Our former closer is now relegated to mopup duty.
2005-08-12 22:50:45
347.   Nagman
Sanchez could be a two-inning closer. That would be interesting.

I assume he'll go two tonight. I hope we don't see Braz, that would be ironic.

2005-08-12 22:50:51
348.   Uncle Miltie
Robles would not have made that play. Reyes would have stolen 2nd and 3rd also. Robles with a walkoff...?
2005-08-12 22:51:03
349.   Yakface
Okay sorry to come in a bit late but as I watched the 8th I couldt help but hope AP came in instead of saenz due to the fact that saenz on his own behalf said he didnt want to be in every game. HONESTLY WHEN WILL TRACY LEARN>>>>!!!!!
2005-08-12 22:51:12
350.   King of the Hobos
Juan Padilla in. He has a 2.13 ERA, but I know nothing else about him
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2005-08-12 22:51:32
351.   Dodgersrock24
I mean when the game is tied in the ninth.
2005-08-12 22:51:32
352.   Nagman
Sorry, I'm assuming he'll go two if we don't score.
2005-08-12 22:52:48
353.   King of the Hobos
Robles flies deep but it hangs way too long
2005-08-12 22:53:40
354.   Steve
So has the Danny Graves Off-Broadway Sideshow finally closed? This is the third time I've been hoping to see him dance, but there's always a big sign on the curtain that says "closed until further notice."
2005-08-12 22:54:11
355.   King of the Hobos
Bradley doubles down the line. Too bad Robles' ball didn't drop, I was hoping it would fall faster than it did
2005-08-12 22:54:13
356.   Jim Hitchcock
A double by Bradley. What a concept.
2005-08-12 22:54:20
357.   oldbear
We gotta score this inning. Because Wright, Floyd, Piazza are up next.

I dont want to have to face those guys.

2005-08-12 22:54:55
358.   King of the Hobos
Cruz coming in to bat for Repko. No K Jose...
2005-08-12 22:55:02
359.   Steve
I can already see where this is going.

Phillips to win. Armageddon. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

2005-08-12 22:55:15
360.   oldbear
Repko and RISP with chances to win the game. Unless Trace pinch hits Scrappy?
2005-08-12 22:55:36
361.   Jim Hitchcock
Somebody put bananas in Steve's ears before he finds out Cruz is batting next...
2005-08-12 22:56:14
362.   Nagman
"He's due."
2005-08-12 22:56:24
363.   oldbear
Jose Cruz-- it would be a great time for your 1st hit as a Dodger.
2005-08-12 22:56:55
364.   Uncle Miltie
Come on, hit like your daddy taught you
2005-08-12 22:57:13
365.   Im So Blue
Is there some reason why A Perez isn't pinch hitting here?
2005-08-12 22:57:16
366.   Odysseus
d'oh
2005-08-12 22:57:19
367.   Steve
[steeling himself for the inevitable Jason Phillips game-winning hit]
2005-08-12 22:57:43
368.   King of the Hobos
Line drive driven into Offerman's glove and there's a DP. It was over if Offerman sucked only slightly more
2005-08-12 22:58:09
369.   Steve
Unbelievable.
2005-08-12 22:58:16
370.   Nagman
I think we've used up our chances of winning this game.
2005-08-12 22:58:52
371.   ddger
3 straight innings RISP without scoring

I'm afraid our arson squad cannot hold back the Mets forever.

2005-08-12 22:58:52
372.   Uncle Miltie
Offerman + defense = Does not compute
2005-08-12 22:58:52
373.   oldbear
Whats Cruz done to anger the baseball gods? What have the Dodgers done to anger them?

This game, if we lose, might be one of the toughest to lose all year.

2005-08-12 23:00:20
374.   Steve
372 -- And this is why everytime Jason Phillips picks up a ground ball, Charlie Steiner shouldn't be having babies.
2005-08-12 23:00:39
375.   jpeace
Tough luck line drive, but why was Cruz pinch hitting in the first place?
2005-08-12 23:00:49
376.   oldbear
373. This is payback for all the good luck and incredible comebacks we had last year.

I've never seen a team more unlucky than the Dodgers.

2005-08-12 23:00:55
377.   King of the Hobos
Wright blisters one off Sanchez. I'm getting very uncomfortable
2005-08-12 23:01:56
378.   ddger
Sanchez is usually bad in his 2nd inning of work.
2005-08-12 23:02:19
379.   oldbear
Wright with a single. I'm afraid this one is over.

I dont want to watch anymore. Our bullpen doenst have 4 scoreless innings in it.

2005-08-12 23:02:38
380.   King of the Hobos
That ball scared the s* out of me
2005-08-12 23:03:04
381.   ddger
I think Sanchez is really pushing his luck, but who do we have to bring in. Braz or Bull.
2005-08-12 23:05:04
382.   King of the Hobos
Navarro with a nice catch on a low pop up in foul territory
2005-08-12 23:06:53
383.   oldbear
Duaner, come on. You cant let Offerman beat you. Get this bum out.
2005-08-12 23:06:55
384.   bigcpa
Ever see this one?

JOSE OFFERMAN = MAJOR OFFENSE

2005-08-12 23:07:02
385.   ddger
If we lose this game, we can't blame the bullpen.
2005-08-12 23:07:02
386.   Nick Iyengar
Will Piazza go to the Hall as a Dodger?
2005-08-12 23:07:19
387.   King of the Hobos
The Dodgers are really scared about a stolen base
2005-08-12 23:07:32
388.   Ryan Jerz
I love Vin coacing the pitchers through the slide step.
2005-08-12 23:08:31
389.   Berkeley Doug
Piazza will have to go to the Hall as a Dodger.
2005-08-12 23:08:50
390.   Jim Hitchcock
386 - Already been discussed tonight, Nick :)
2005-08-12 23:08:57
391.   Bob Timmermann
You guys are still playing?

Jose Offerman is still in the majors?

Is Antonio Perez the only hitter left on the bench?

Do the Mets have any pinch hitters left?

2005-08-12 23:09:09
392.   King of the Hobos
Fly ball to Cruz, Phillips-Valentin-Navarro. In other words, (hopefully) clutch something or another-walk-walk
2005-08-12 23:09:53
393.   King of the Hobos
391 Yes, Yes, No (Werth), Probably not
2005-08-12 23:10:04
394.   oldbear
Duaner Sanchez- 2 scoreless pressure filled innings. The arson squad with 4 shut out IP.

We gotta score.

2005-08-12 23:10:13
395.   Berkeley Doug
Perfect time for Navarro to get his first major league HR. :)
2005-08-12 23:10:26
396.   Steve
Do you count Kaz Matsui?
2005-08-12 23:10:31
397.   Nick Iyengar
391 Werth is still on the bench, too.
2005-08-12 23:11:02
398.   ddger
If we don't score, we'll have to eventually use Braz. So let's score and end this game so that we won't have to see Braz.
2005-08-12 23:11:09
399.   Bob Timmermann
With Matsui in, I think the Mets just have Ramon Castro left.

Unless Randolph used him.

2005-08-12 23:11:10
400.   Nagman
We just gotta outlast 'em til Graves.
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2005-08-12 23:12:31
401.   Steve
Braden Looper is always good for what ails ya
2005-08-12 23:12:37
402.   King of the Hobos
Phillips stings one to Wright, who was on the line. Tough play for anyone with some sort of speed
2005-08-12 23:13:10
403.   Bob Timmermann
Is Tacks Latimer still available?
2005-08-12 23:13:44
404.   ddger
Come on Valentin, what happened to those 30 HR seasons.
2005-08-12 23:14:07
405.   Nick Iyengar
390 Either I'm not following links Jon puts in his posts, or I'm deciding to only quickly skim 300+ comments before commenting myself. Maybe I'm the laziest DT reader! Anyway, I just thought his chances of going in as a Dodger might be lessened by the fact that it's simply been quite a while since he actually was a Dodger.
2005-08-12 23:14:43
406.   King of the Hobos
Valentin has a very (un-)impressive pop up to Woodward
2005-08-12 23:14:46
407.   Nagman
Braz or Bull?
2005-08-12 23:15:11
408.   King of the Hobos
407 Elmer
2005-08-12 23:16:13
409.   Jim Hitchcock
Good concert, Bob?
2005-08-12 23:17:28
410.   Bob Timmermann
The concert is tomorrow night. I just went over to someone's house for dinner and talked to people with faces.
2005-08-12 23:17:43
411.   King of the Hobos
Navarro keeps fighting off pitches, good AB
2005-08-12 23:18:09
412.   ddger
this game is turning out to be battle of the bullpens
2005-08-12 23:18:24
413.   Jim Hitchcock
405 - I'm sorry, Nick...I was teasing you, then forgot to post further. Don't remember the comment number...in first 150 I think. Search on Eric Ender.
2005-08-12 23:18:38
414.   King of the Hobos
NAVARRO!!!! GONE!!!
2005-08-12 23:18:46
415.   Steve
YES!
2005-08-12 23:19:09
416.   ddger
DIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!
2005-08-12 23:19:30
417.   Nagman
Arguably the best moment of the season.
2005-08-12 23:19:46
418.   Nick Iyengar
Wow.
2005-08-12 23:19:47
419.   King of the Hobos
That was one hack of a game. Great job by Navarro, after 2 timely walks, he fought pitch after pitch and hit a homer to right on a 3-2 count
2005-08-12 23:19:59
421.   Mark Joseph
395 Nice call, dude ;-)
2005-08-12 23:20:31
422.   Rob M
Beautiful at bat Navarro!!!
2005-08-12 23:20:33
423.   Jim Hitchcock
That was pretty damn cool.
2005-08-12 23:20:35
424.   Ryan Jerz
AWESOME!
2005-08-12 23:20:35
425.   jpeace
Viva Navarro!
2005-08-12 23:21:05
426.   oldbear
395. Nice call. Dioner must have gotten tired catching, so he's just like "I'll end it".

Great at bat by that kid. 10 pitches and a HR.

2005-08-12 23:21:16
427.   Eric Enders
The Mets fans on BTF are all howling that their season is now over
2005-08-12 23:21:21
428.   Berkeley Doug
395 Perhaps I should play the lottery tomorrow.
2005-08-12 23:21:23
429.   Berkeley Doug
395 Perhaps I should play the lottery tomorrow.
2005-08-12 23:21:24
430.   Berkeley Doug
395 Perhaps I should play the lottery tomorrow.
2005-08-12 23:21:50
431.   Nagman
Nice shot of McCourt leaning over the railing into the dugout and Navarro walking over and reaching up and shaking his hand.
2005-08-12 23:21:53
432.   King of the Hobos
Is acceptance really an option now?
2005-08-12 23:22:03
433.   Nick Iyengar
413 No problem, I wasn't complaining ... what a great AB by Navarro! Based on CBS Sportsline, looked like he laid off a bunch of close pitches from Looper.
2005-08-12 23:22:41
434.   bigcpa
Fun stuff but the Choi 6 HR series is still my highlight of the year.
2005-08-12 23:22:44
435.   Steve
Geez, memo to Met Fan. Your season was over when you hired Willie Randolph.
2005-08-12 23:23:04
436.   Ryan Jerz
428 429 430
perhaps you should play the lottery tomorrow
2005-08-12 23:23:30
437.   Uncle Miltie
Navarro! He is definitely faster than Phillips.
2005-08-12 23:23:41
438.   ddger
2 game winning streak. are we going back to denial.
2005-08-12 23:24:01
439.   jpeace
395 good call. we'll chip in, you pick the numbers.
2005-08-12 23:24:34
440.   Steve
Actually, your century was over when you wasted all that money on Carlos Beltran.

I like it when the kids do good. And I like it when Duaner does his job. Makes my job in the Duaner Chowder & Marching Society easier.

2005-08-12 23:25:25
441.   oldbear
If Izzy is DL'ed after the game, all signs pointing towards a Dodger run will be complete.
2005-08-12 23:27:08
442.   ddger
It's so rare to get a good performance from our bullpen so we should cherish this one until tomorrow when it starts again.
2005-08-12 23:27:27
443.   Bob Timmermann
An when the Dodgers were in New York, one Mets fan thought that Jose Reyes game-winning triple against Carrara was the biggest hit of the season for them.

Ahh, the self-loathing of the Mets fans.

2005-08-12 23:27:40
444.   bigcpa
Did someone post the PTBNL in the Cruz trade? That scrappy Tony Schraeger guy from spring training.
2005-08-12 23:28:27
445.   Berkeley Doug
I'll just be happy with another LA win and SD loss so I can slip further into the Denial stage.
2005-08-12 23:29:38
446.   Gen3Blue
Took me seems like 20min. to get on from east coast to say Great Idea 395.
2005-08-12 23:31:25
447.   ddger
Will Tracy start Choi against fellow countyman Seo (RHP) tomorrow?
2005-08-12 23:32:17
448.   ddger
447. I meant countryman
2005-08-12 23:33:51
449.   Steve
I remember that -- they thought beating us two out of three made their season.
2005-08-12 23:43:39
450.   Bob Timmermann
449

But now losing a game to the Dodgers is the equivalent of losing a game to the Rockies.

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2005-08-12 23:48:26
451.   Steve
More like losing a game to the Dodgers is the equivalent of losing a game to the Mets.
2005-08-13 00:04:25
452.   LAT
Looks like I missed a good game tonight. Where was Duaner's shot and how deep? (not that it matters).

37 Sam, thanks for asking. Yes she saw most of it.

2005-08-13 00:11:44
453.   dzzrtRatt
417 I wouldn't argue; it was a most satisfying win. I like it that it was the kids that did it--Navarro, Sanchez, Robles, Choi, Schmoll. I liked the way Navarro zoomed under that tricky foul pop up in the top of the 10th almost as much as I liked the homer. I liked Sanchez' poise and focus after Wright's single.

I am in total denial--about 2007.

2005-08-13 00:18:23
454.   GoBears
452 Right center. Pretty deep. Not Ryan Howard deep, but no doubt about it.

Navarro and Robles were clearly the heroes tonight. And the bullpen. Kent didn't do much. Milton doubled, but to no effect. Izturis was awful with the bat, but made a couple nice plays at SS. Phillips got the early ribbies. Team effort, actually. Nice to see.

Gee, I hope Tracy lets Choi face Seo. So does the LA Korean community. Could have been worth 5000 tickets if Tracy had announced it tonight.

2005-08-13 01:01:23
455.   Telemachos
Just got back from the game a little while ago. After a very dubious 4-5 innings, it ended up being very enjoyable. Truly awesome to see an actual comeback happen, though I was utterly appalled at a couple of calls (the strike 'em out/throw 'em out double play that killed the rally being particularly bad).

A friend of mine was seeing his first Dodger game, and we were both immensely pleased to get a glimpse of Choi, for him to experience the HEE! SEOP! chant, and of course, great to see Navarro really come into his own -- he had an excellent game.

Poor Jose Cruz Jr -- he almost was the hero, and it really looked for a second like Offerman had mistimed his jump. Ah well -- Dioner's homer was an awesome finish. :)

2005-08-13 01:30:47
456.   dzzrtRatt
At least Cruz didn't drop any balls hit in his direction. He probably feels good he hit the ball hard. What else can you do? Against the iffy pitching of the NL West, he'll get his share.
2005-08-13 08:37:33
457.   Mark
Went to the game last night. Reinforced my faith in Weaver being the Antichrist. The man can't pitch. He just can't. Every time you think he's settled down and is into a groove, he hangs another junkball that gets slapped around.

Choi gets the loudest applause of anyone all evening; louder still than even when Navarro hit the game-winner. And yet he'll be cemented on the bench because of the performance by Jason F. Phillips.

2005-08-13 08:55:16
458.   LAT
454 Thanks Bears
2005-08-13 09:55:12
459.   jasonungar05
The Dodgers sent Triple-A Las Vegas SS Tony Schrager to Boston, completing the trade that brought OF Jose Cruz Jr. to Los Angeles on Aug. 9.

from the yahoo story of the dodger win last night

2005-08-13 10:23:35
460.   King of the Hobos
Suns game is on. Jackson is pitching, still no Laroche. Jakson gave a hit and 2 walks in the first, but got out unscathed thanks to a CS and a K

http://www.southernguide.tv/channel1.html

2005-08-13 10:37:55
461.   Bob Timmermann
Augggggggggghhhhhh!

Russ Ortiz is back pitching for Arizona today.

He must be stopped!

Go Braves!

2005-08-13 10:45:29
462.   King of the Hobos
Jackson had another tough inning. He allowed 2 quick base runners (one on a play Nich Alvarez should have made, but he's extremely unexperienced at 3rd). He got a K, then the pitcher bunted, and Jackson threw too high to Abreu. The next batter flew to short right, but Jon Weber has an amazing arm. The throw was to Martin when the runner was at least 10 feet from home, the opposing team looked silly trying to get the run. Jackson isn't getting especially hard, and has enough control, he just seems to be getting unlucky.

Martin just hit a homer, 1-0 Suns

2005-08-13 10:46:49
463.   King of the Hobos
461 You act like that's a bad thing. Bases loaded, one out for Ortiz in the first
2005-08-13 10:49:26
464.   King of the Hobos
I had to check because I didn't see one of them, both the hits that Jackson has allowed were infield hits to Alvarez. The BBs and the HBP are the concern, but his control looks like it's getting better
2005-08-13 10:50:44
465.   King of the Hobos
463 Braves only managed a run on a sac fly, 1-0. I feel like I'm talking to myself, it's so deserted here
2005-08-13 10:55:22
466.   King of the Hobos
Jackson breezes through the 3rd on 5 or 6 pitches
2005-08-13 10:56:35
467.   natepurcell
im here, keep talkin
2005-08-13 10:57:21
468.   natepurcell
i want jackson to use his other pitches more. he needs to learn to use his slider and change in every count.
2005-08-13 10:57:43
469.   Bob Timmermann
The DBacks are going to be getting back Shawn Estes and Brandon Lyon back soon in what qualifies for them as "Good news, bad news"

Lyon would be the good news for them.

2005-08-13 11:05:04
470.   King of the Hobos
Another quick inning for Jackson
2005-08-13 11:11:17
471.   Gen3Blue
Thanks for the rundown on the Suns.We are here
2005-08-13 11:21:08
472.   King of the Hobos
Jackson allowed 3 quick fly ball outs, and has retired something like 10 straight batters. He's not blowing the ball oast the hitters (he has 2 Ks in 5 IP) but they aren't doing anything with the pitches
2005-08-13 11:28:10
473.   Bob Timmermann
God bless Julio Franco!

3-run homer puts the Braves up 4-2 in the third over the DBacks.

2005-08-13 11:35:14
474.   Bob Timmermann
And Shawn Green homers to tie the game at 4-4.
2005-08-13 11:35:53
475.   King of the Hobos
Abreu booted a routine grounder for his first Suns error, good for the first baserunner since Jackson's error in the 2nd. Next play, another badly played ball by Alvarez. Jackson is getting destroyed by defense, both errors. Next batter flies out. Jackson then gave up a single to the next batter, and Donovan dropped it. Terrible defense, the run is unearned
2005-08-13 11:36:20
476.   Steelyeri
The defense has been horrible behind Sir Edwin today.
2005-08-13 11:38:48
477.   King of the Hobos
Jackson struck out the next batter, and Martin picked off the runner at first. Jackson was not hit hard by any stretch, merely poor luck
2005-08-13 11:46:56
478.   natepurcell
hey king of hobos, the aflac all american game is on fox right now, you watching it?

someone that could be on the dodgers radar for next year: devin sheppard

big time power potential from RF. swing reminds me of arod.

2005-08-13 11:49:13
479.   natepurcell
i mean fox sports net.
2005-08-13 11:51:22
480.   King of the Hobos
The Suns just loaded the bases for the second time in 2 innings, and didn't score either time. Their last hit was in the 2nd, the bases were loaded on 3 errors, a fielder's choice, and 2 walks
2005-08-13 11:59:39
481.   Odysseus
So, are we all back to acceptance?
2005-08-13 11:59:41
482.   natepurcell
7 strong innings for jackson. looked like he was just trying to pitch to contact. it worked since they couldnt get any hits off him.
2005-08-13 12:06:58
483.   King of the Hobos
Furcal tripled, and Orr got him home on a groundout, 5-4 Braves

Jackson allowed a hit in the 7th, but also got his 4th K

2005-08-13 12:19:24
484.   King of the Hobos
With the bases loaded for the 3rd straight inning, Meadows walked in a run to give Jackson the lead
2005-08-13 12:19:47
485.   King of the Hobos
And Loney just singled in 2 more, 4-1 Suns
2005-08-13 12:31:59
486.   kodax
So Choi rides the pine again. He hits Seo better than anyone else on the team. I am starting to suspect that the benching has nothing to do with anything on the field and may be clubhouse related. The strange silence by Tracy on the matter further supports this.
2005-08-13 17:56:30
487.   DXMachina
A day late, but I just wanted to mention that I was at the July 23rd game at Shea. I saw the same behavior as Jon, which is pretty typical for Shea. People do get there late because of the traffic. Once, we were on the Whitestone Bridge at 11:30 for a 1:15 game (playoff between the Mets and the Rocks a few years ago), and didn't get to our seats until the 5th inning. Also, as you say, folks only leave early if the game is a blow out, despite the fact that traffic can be miserable, especially if you park in the main lot. I usually don't.

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