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August 13 Open Chat
2005-08-13 12:02
by Jon Weisman
Comments (283)
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2005-08-13 12:07:43
1.   Bob Timmermann
OK, I'll provide a topic for discussion:

Which of these teams will the Dodgers finish in front of in the the standings:

San Diego
San Francisco

I think the Dodgers will finish ahead of only the Giants and Rockies.

2005-08-13 12:15:24
2.   King of the Hobos
No Bradley, and we have one heck of a 3 hitter. Kent didn't rest like Tracy said he would

SS Izzy
RF Werth
3B Robles
2B Kent
1B Saenz (C'mon, Choi vs Seo...)
C Phillips
LF Valentin
CF Repko
P Houlton


SS Reyes
2B Cairo
3B Wright
LF Floyd
1B Anderson
RF Diaz
C Castro
CF Williams
P Seo

2005-08-13 12:15:59
3.   Kayaker7
Yup. Sounds about right.

As for today's game, I hear that Kent will rest, and Phllips will start at catcher. So, who will play first? Saenz? Or....dare we hope, Choi?

2005-08-13 12:16:49
4.   Brendan
1 I know this is crazy but I say all of those teams. We have head to head coming up for most of the month. If the dodgers can get inside of 5 games by Sept they have a good shot. Padres are still beatable and the Dodgers have had some incredible bad luck. If they can get anything from JD we are looking at the team that started 12-2(because they were playing the lousy west)

I might still be basking in the glow of Navarro's HR last night but it is not out of the realm of possibility.

I'm still in Acceptance because the last few losses(before the two game streak) didn't bother me as much but I just think that the Padres and AZ are ripe for the taking. This is the most tenuous 6 game lead ever created.

2005-08-13 12:17:33
5.   Odysseus
I think you're probably right. The big question, in my opinion, is whether Arizona or San Diego will win the division. It's tough to say, but I think it will be Arizona, although the two weeks may mean that San Diego is not as terrible as I thought. Or they may be just progressing to the mean. I had thought/hoped that the Dodgers would do some progression of their own, especially with Milton back, but it looks like the team, in its current form may actually be that bad.
2005-08-13 12:18:58
6.   Kayaker7
2 WTF?!! What kind of crap lineup is that? The 1 and 3 spots are crap selections. FJT, FJT, FJT...

That should be the new chant, instead of Hee-Seop Choi.

2005-08-13 12:19:01
7.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry for the length, but it was a doubleheader!

Random Dodger game callback

August 13, 1952

It took all day and all night and in the end the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants split a rain-plagued day-night doubleheader at Ebbets Field. The Dodgers won the opener 5-4 and the Giants won the night game 8-4. The split made the Dodgers record 72-34 and they were a comfortable nine games ahead of the Giants. Or at least as comfortable as they thought they could be after the events of 1951.

The opening game matched up Carl Erskine of the Dodgers and Jim Hearn of the Giants. The game was 2-2 in the fifth as each team got a 2-run homer. Bobby Thomson hit one for the Giants in the second and Gil Hodges had one for the Dodgers in the fifth.

Hearn faltered in the sixth. He walked the bases loaded, the last one intentional, to face Erskine. But Hearn walked him to force in a run and Giants manager Leo Durocher brought in rookie Hoyt Wilhelm to relieve and he got the final out.

In the seventh, the Giants tied the game on an RBI single from second baseman Davey Williams. But the Dodgers went back ahead in the bottom of the seventh on an RBI single by Carl Furillo scoring Jackie Robinson who had reached when he was hit by a Hal Gregg pitch.

But the Giants came back in the eighth against Erskine. Hank Thompson tripled and Bobby Thomson doubled him home. Brooklyn manager Charlie Dressen brought in Joe Black to relieve.

In the bottom of the 8th, Hodges, who was in the #8 slot, led off with a single and moved to second on a sacrifice by Black. Pee Wee Reese singled home Hodges with what proved to be the winning run. The Giants loaded the bases in the ninth, but couldn't score. The opener took 3:17 to play, an eternity for a nine-inning game in that era.

The night game was scoreless through four innings as Brooklyn's Ben Wade and New York's Al Corwin matched zeroes. But Wade gave up three hits and walked two in the fifth to give up four runs and was relieved by Ray Moore.

In the bottom of the sixth, the Dodgers used two singles and a walk to load the bases against Corwin when a thunderstorm delayed the game for nearly an hour. Durocher brought in Wilhelm to relieve after the delay. Jackie Robinson greeted Wilhelm with a single to score one run. Giants right fielder Clint Hartung threw home and should have gotten Rocky Nelson easily as he has fallen down in the mud. But Hartung's throw hit a puddle in front of home and bounced away from catcher Wes Westrum and two runs scored. The Dodgers got another run to tie the game.

But the Giants scored a single run in the seventh, two in the eighth and one more in the ninth to win the game 8-4. The second game took 3:05 to play (not counting the delay) and finished after midnight.

Over 59,000 people came to both games at Ebbets Field. One of them was the 17-year old king of Iraq, Faisal II. The young king had never seen a baseball game before, but seemed to enjoy the experience. Faisal II was a guest of Walter O'Malley and when he asked whom the man in the gray uniform was (it was Durocher), Dodgers PR man Irving Rudd said, "They are the hated Giants."

1952 would not end like 1951 for the Dodgers. They won the NL with a 96-57 record, 4 ½ games ahead of the Giants. Robinson led the league in OBP at .440 and hit 19 home runs. Hodges hit 32 home runs. Reese led the league in stolen bases with 30 and was caught just 5 times.

On the mound, Black won Rookie of the Year with a 15-4 record and a 2.15 ERA and 15 saves. Erskine went 14-6 and Billy Loes was 13-8.

In the World Series, the Dodgers faced the Yankees … again. The Dodgers had lost to the Yankees in 1941, 1947, and 1949. And they would lose in 1952 as well.

The Dodgers split the first two games at Ebbets Field with Black winning Game 1 and Erskine losing Game 2. The Dodgers won Game 3 at Yankee Stadium behind a good performance from pitcher Preacher Roe and a 9th inning rally. Allie Reynolds threw a 2-0 shutout in Game 4 to tie the Series.

In Game 5, the Dodgers won a 6-5 extra inning thriller when Duke Snider doubled in the winning run. The Dodgers were one win away from their first World Series championship and they were headed back to Ebbets Field.

But it was not to be. Yogi Berra and Mickey Mantle homered off of Billy Loes to give Vic Raschi a 3-2 win in Game 6. And in Game 7, Mantle homered off of Black in the 6th inning to give the Yankees a 4-2 win.

Thanks to the New York Times, and Retrosheet

2005-08-13 12:20:04
8.   Brendan

Robles batting third made my day. That is just too funny. I know lineups don't matter that much but they do to Tracy so that makes me laugh.

2005-08-13 12:22:46
9.   Kayaker7
8 Oscar's 2 RBI single must have burned an impression in Tracy's brain.
2005-08-13 12:25:46
10.   King of the Hobos
Today's bench: Choi, Perez, Bradley, Ledee, Cruz, Navarro

Jackson is done at Jacksonville, his line:

7 IP, 4 hits, 1 unearned run, 2 BBs, 4 Ks, HBP.

Two of the hits were infield hits to Alvarez, who is a terrible 3B and is only there out of necessity. There were 3 errors, and more than a few other plays that were lousy. The walks came in the first, and the HBP was the first batter in the second

2005-08-13 12:27:21
11.   the OZ
9 - Not his brain. Just his heart and/or soul.

Haven't you been paying attention to Joe Morgan? Brains have no place in baseball. Rather, the game should be governed by other body parts such as the gut, heart, etc.

Which gets you Oscar Robles batting third and Jason Phillips taking waay to many starts at first base.

2005-08-13 12:27:33
12.   natepurcell
miller looks terrible. wild as ever.
2005-08-13 12:28:09
13.   Kayaker7
LOL. This wikipedia entry contained the comment, "Jim Tracy is one of the most creative managers in baseball history." I removed the comment. I had to restrain myself to not put a more choice comment to replace it.
2005-08-13 12:28:31
14.   Eric Enders
Since Jackson seems to be on a hot streak again, would we be better served to call him up and see if he can help the Dodgers, or let him alone and hope he continues to dominate AA?

If nothing else, he'd fill Carrara's bullpen role better than Gio does.

2005-08-13 12:30:34
15.   Eric Enders
Can somebody post the link to Suns TV? They seem to have removed it from their website.
2005-08-13 12:30:58
16.   King of the Hobos
12 After walking 2, and going 2-0 to the next batter, he gets a DP and a K. He looked much better on the last batter
2005-08-13 12:31:24
17.   natepurcell
double play ball bailed out miller.

that last batter he looked 10x better. his arm angle is getting back up to normal (almost).

struck the batter out on an awesome sweeping curveball that just froze the LH batter.

2005-08-13 12:33:21
18.   Brendan

wow, edwin is coming around. Vegas should be abandoned right after the season, move to IE or somewhere in Calif. or maybe somewhere in AZ.

2005-08-13 12:33:55
19.   Jim Hitchcock
13 You removed the comment? Why? That's just wacky!

Anybody perusing the lineups day in and day out
should be aware that Tracy clearly IS one the most creative managers in baseball history.

2005-08-13 12:34:25
20.   Odysseus
10 Well, Jim Tracy is very creative to put six of our best players on the bench and six of the worst in the starting lineup.
2005-08-13 12:35:26
21.   King of the Hobos
Rivera's 30-something save streak just came to an end. Guess he won't be able to beat Gagne
2005-08-13 12:35:42
22.   Jim Hitchcock

2005-08-13 12:35:54
23.   Brendan

I say keep him down there and let him continue to do well. But what do I know.

2005-08-13 12:37:46
24.   Eric Enders
Thanks, Jim, I eventually managed to find it. If anyone wants to watch it without the ads, use this address:

2005-08-13 12:41:26
25.   Eric Enders
As an addendum to #24, if anyone wants to watch it directly in Windows Media Player (and thus be able to enlarge it to full screen), use this address:

2005-08-13 12:41:42
26.   Linkmeister
I think Bob was being subtle with his remark that Hodges was hitting eighth.

What the heck was Furillo's nickname? The "something Rifle," but I can't remember what town.

2005-08-13 12:42:58
27.   Eric Enders
Reading Rifle.

His teammates, though, called him Skoonj, after his favorite type of pasta, scungilli (sp.?).

2005-08-13 12:44:16
28.   Brendan
I enjoy watching Jennie Finch blow major leaguers away on the Fox pre game show, This week in Baseball, actually.

I think she is going to go after scott posednick(sp?) today.
I was hopping for frank thomas but i'll take what I can get.

2005-08-13 12:45:39
29.   natepurcell
woohoo! miller is coming out for the 9th!
2005-08-13 12:47:24
30.   King of the Hobos
Chipper Jones just doubled in 2 runs, Braves winning 7-5 in the 7th
2005-08-13 12:47:47
31.   Eric Enders
Nate means coming out, as in coming out to the mound, not coming out of the game.
2005-08-13 12:50:01
32.   Eric Enders
Game Over. Miller looked good pitching the ninth.
2005-08-13 12:50:20
33.   Eric Enders
9 consecutive wins for the Suns now.
2005-08-13 12:50:22
34.   King of the Hobos
Miller gave up a hit, but struck out a second batter and got the save. Suns won 6-1
2005-08-13 12:51:57
35.   Jim Hitchcock
25 - Eric, jsut so you know, you can also fullscreen the other links. Rt mouse click will bring up the menu.

Man, 9 in a row. That's some team.

2005-08-13 12:52:16
36.   Howard Fox
follow up to the Perez thread yesterday...

wow...sorry I had to leave for the game last night...the responses to my comments were fun to read...apparently I almost incited a riot...

but the reality is the team sucks top to bottom, we all know it, yet everyone is so damn defensive and touchy when it comes to the reasons...

none of us are right and none of us are can quote all the stats and figures you'd like to support this player or that, but the bottom line is we stink, we have suffered too many injuries, and we are in a transition period...

yet thru it all, I still see us in the playoffs, which is a sad statement more for the NL West than anything else...

2005-08-13 12:53:15
37.   overkill94
I don't know if it was just that the video feed was choppy, but it looks like Miller kinda slings the ball in there. I guess the numbers don't lie though...
2005-08-13 12:53:15
38.   Eric Enders
Yet they are still not in first place.
2005-08-13 12:53:28
39.   Brendan
Bring up the Suns, en masse
2005-08-13 12:54:07
40.   Eric Enders
37 -- Miller does look like he's slinging it. The last game his arm angle and motion reminded me of Randy Johnson. Today he seemed a little more overhand.
2005-08-13 12:57:48
41.   Eric Enders
Well, no Vinny today. Time for me to mute the Fox bozos and cue up Jaime Jarrín.
2005-08-13 13:00:31
42.   Jim Hitchcock
Eric, I'll turn on SAP, but will have to rely on you for immediate translation :)
2005-08-13 13:01:13
43.   Brendan

Welcome Back, Howard!!! I enjoy your comments, don't always agree with them but do enjoy them.

2005-08-13 13:02:07
44.   Eric Enders
I echo Brendan in 43. I rarely agree with Howard but always find his comments interesting and valuable.
2005-08-13 13:03:04
45.   Steve
Howard is correct about virtually every subject except Hee Seop Choi. :)
2005-08-13 13:04:57
46.   King of the Hobos
41 And miss out on Scooter's valuable information? Like a fast ball is fast?
2005-08-13 13:12:42
47.   Odysseus
the pain begins
2005-08-13 13:17:51
48.   Brendan
DJ getting through the first with no damage? wow maybe he pitches a gem today.
2005-08-13 13:18:56
49.   King of the Hobos
Houlton got out of the first without a run, and got both Wright and Floyd out. Nice start for him, let's just hope he doesn't decide to go into first inning mode at some point
2005-08-13 13:19:56
50.   King of the Hobos
Brando Lyon had an umpressive return for the DBacks, gave up 3 hits, 2 doubles, and allowed 2 runs in .2 IP
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2005-08-13 13:20:22
51.   Bob Timmermann
Not many Dodgers have faced Seo, but Choi is actually 4 for 11 off of him with a home run.

Bradley is 0 for 6 with 4 Ks.

Too bad Drew is out. He is 4 for 5 with a 2B and HR.

2005-08-13 13:21:04
52.   King of the Hobos
Nice clean hit for Izzy
2005-08-13 13:21:20
53.   Brendan
has Seo been injured all season?
2005-08-13 13:22:24
54.   Brendan

I hate tracy. perfect time to give Choi a start.

2005-08-13 13:23:29
55.   King of the Hobos
53 Ishii had his spot. He was in the minors
2005-08-13 13:23:56
56.   regfairfield
Seo does that funky stall move, that might mess up Choi's timing.
2005-08-13 13:26:06
57.   oldbear
Tracy's lineups always bring me back into acceptance.
2005-08-13 13:26:25
58.   regfairfield
How much damage will that hit and run do to us in the future?
2005-08-13 13:26:26
59.   King of the Hobos
The hit and run works. We don't need to further convince Tracy to use them
2005-08-13 13:26:41
60.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Steiner sounded a little shocked at Robles in the 3-hole. Said the lineup was posted late, and JT couldn't be asked about this.
2005-08-13 13:27:37
61.   oldbear
I'm also a little bummed out that Cruz Jr was only given 6 at bats, and now is benched. THe guy is better than Repko, and probably still better than Valentin.

2 on for Jeff Kent. Kent had some terrible at bats last nite. Wonder if he'll come through today?

2005-08-13 13:27:44
62.   Brendan
It's very likely that no dodger will finish with 30HR or higher. that's sad.
2005-08-13 13:28:53
63.   King of the Hobos
Kent's not looking good this series. That was the last thing we needed
2005-08-13 13:29:11
64.   regfairfield
62 Coming into the season, did you expect anyone to?

Drew, Kent and Valentin had the potential to, but they weren't sure things.

2005-08-13 13:29:34
65.   oldbear
Kent should have taken the day off. Ever since swinging 3-0 last nite, he's looked like absolute crap. GIDP. Dodgers waste the only 2 hits we'll see out of Izturis and Robles today.
2005-08-13 13:29:40
66.   King of the Hobos
DBacks lost 9-5. San Diego's game isn't on until 7 tonight
2005-08-13 13:30:10
67.   Bob Timmermann
No Dodger with 30 HRs! Why that hasn't happened since 2003!
2005-08-13 13:30:41
68.   oldbear
Dodgers have hit into 5 DP's in the last 11 innings, counting last nite's game.
2005-08-13 13:33:11
69.   Brendan

I thought Drew, Kent and maybe Bradley. Also thought Choi could.

2005-08-13 13:34:23
70.   Jim Hitchcock
Wow. That's the first time I saw the video of the collision. Man oh man...
2005-08-13 13:37:00
71.   oldbear
Thats probably a sign of things to come. Given up homers to the back up catcher. My word...
2005-08-13 13:37:21
72.   King of the Hobos
The Castro one I understood, but Gerald Williams? Let's give one to Seo as well. That was Day Game aided, but still
2005-08-13 13:37:24
73.   Brendan
whoops, DJ just was late. didn't get here until the 2nd inning
2005-08-13 13:37:40
74.   LAT
A diffrent kind of duces wild.

2 outs
2 pitches
2 HRs

2005-08-13 13:38:04
75.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Double ugh.
2005-08-13 13:38:09
76.   Uncle Miltie
Izturis is regaining defensive prowess

Milton probably isn't playing because of a certain umpire in the game.

Why is Marv (I bit a prostitute) Albert's son announcing the game?

Back to back HRs...

2005-08-13 13:38:13
77.   oldbear
Well thats all Jea Seo will need with this pathetic lineup the Dodgers have on the field.

Ramon Castro and Gerald Williams?? back-back...

That is a double Grabowski principle.

2005-08-13 13:39:13
78.   King of the Hobos
You have to admit, Houlton didn't deserve that second one. Williams took an outside pitch and hung it long enough over the short wall in right.
2005-08-13 13:43:27
79.   oldbear
Ledee, Bradley, Choi, Cruz, Navarro, AP are all sitting this one out.


2005-08-13 13:46:26
80.   King of the Hobos
Why are they swinging?!?!?!?!? He's not throwing strikes, and they're hitting soft fly balls. @#$%&!
2005-08-13 13:50:12
81.   oldbear
Jon Weisman needs to do a post specifically explaining today's lineup to his readership. Then he needs to send that post to every newspaper in LA.

Our OF Bench- Cruz, Bradley, Ledee should be starting.

Our IF Bench- AP, Choi, Navarro- should be starting.

I cant get over how terrible this lineup today. Its just about the worst lineup possible that Tracy could come up with.

2005-08-13 13:50:53
82.   King of the Hobos
That's good for an infield triple for Reyes
2005-08-13 13:51:51
83.   King of the Hobos
81 Navarro has been starting for the last 2 weeks straight, and it's a day game after a night game. The rest of the guys however...
2005-08-13 13:56:06
84.   King of the Hobos
DJ owns Wright so far
2005-08-13 13:59:33
85.   King of the Hobos
Beautiful AB by Repko. Hits himself with a bunt out of the box
2005-08-13 13:59:34
86.   Uncle Miltie
Joe West blows another one!
2005-08-13 14:00:37
87.   Uncle Miltie
Marv Albert's son is a huge Mets homer.
2005-08-13 14:02:32
88.   Uncle Miltie
XBH for Izturis!
2005-08-13 14:02:56
89.   Eric Enders
Repko looked like he was half in the box, half out. What's the exact rule on that? If you're half and half, are you considered in the batter's box or out of it?
2005-08-13 14:03:50
90.   King of the Hobos
Why don't our fly balls carry over the fence? I swear that only opponents fly ball carry during day games
2005-08-13 14:04:16
91.   Uncle Miltie
I'm pretty sure your entire body (both feet) has to be out of the box when the ball hits you.

Werthless with a terrible at bat.

2005-08-13 14:04:17
92.   Mark Linsey
Until you put your foot down outside of the box, you're not out of the box. So Repko shouldn't have been out.
2005-08-13 14:06:31
93.   King of the Hobos
If Izzy is driving fly ball doubles to the wall, why aren't the rest of the guys? If Izzy makes you look bad...
2005-08-13 14:07:17
94.   Mark Linsey
DePo is on the radio broadcast right now.
2005-08-13 14:07:37
95.   LAT
Never mind Werthless batting second. Why is he playing at all?
2005-08-13 14:08:08
96.   Uncle Miltie
This is disgusting, a slow runner just steals a base off Phillips again!
2005-08-13 14:08:32
97.   King of the Hobos
DIAZ? The only singles/walks that won't be 2 basers are ones followed by people swinging at the first pitch
2005-08-13 14:09:47
98.   LAT
Phillips looks a little better than he did--but still not good enough.
2005-08-13 14:09:58
99.   Uncle Miltie
And Houlton walks the accused rapist.
2005-08-13 14:11:17
100.   King of the Hobos
What's with the whacky Williams drives? The way he turns I'm amazed he has that much power
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2005-08-13 14:11:43
101.   LAT
Woha that was scary. Game over if its 2 feet to the right.
2005-08-13 14:12:28
102.   Uncle Miltie
Was that Marv Albert in the background yelling "Yes!"
2005-08-13 14:12:41
103.   King of the Hobos
That guy in the background on TV deserves to be shot.
2005-08-13 14:16:13
104.   oldbear
I hope they ask DePo what he thinks of AP/Choi being benched.

Nice job by Houlton to work around the SB's...

2005-08-13 14:21:44
105.   Bob Timmermann
Who is the injury delay for?
2005-08-13 14:23:25
106.   King of the Hobos
105 Seo
2005-08-13 14:23:34
107.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Sounded like Seo bumped knees with Anderson.
2005-08-13 14:23:36
108.   oldbear
Jeff Kent needs the day off. 1st pitch brain dead hacking at slop yet again...

This after Robles has a 9 pitch at bat.


2005-08-13 14:24:44
109.   LAT
Does anyone know where the offense has gone? Oh yeah, its on the bench.
2005-08-13 14:25:14
110.   Eric Enders
Sliding into first is the ultimate style-over-substance play, and it actually hurts the team. Doesn't really seem to fit with Kent's style of play.
2005-08-13 14:25:19
111.   oldbear
Saenz does little to dismiss the stereotype of the brain dead caribbean hitter with that at bat.
2005-08-13 14:25:28
112.   King of the Hobos
Choi needs to be there, Saenz is swining at that same pitch everytime and never doing anything with it. And Kent isn't much better. When Izzy and Robles is your offense...ouch
2005-08-13 14:28:44
113.   Bob Timmermann
Over/under on pitches before Reyes steals:


2005-08-13 14:28:49
114.   King of the Hobos
Izzy, he's not that fast. Not he'll end up at third

From the notes:

Of course, Choi and some Dodgers fans would like to see Choi's power bat in the lineup to start the game. But while Choi may not be playing much right now, he's looking forward to some regular playing time next spring.

As for Robles batting 3rd:
"Because he's on base [frequently], and Jeff Kent knocks runs in when guys are on base"

2005-08-13 14:28:56
115.   Uncle Miltie
Ouch that's a tough error, Izturis is penalized for having good range.
2005-08-13 14:30:12
116.   King of the Hobos
WTF? Sanez, @#$%&!
2005-08-13 14:30:20
117.   Uncle Miltie
2005-08-13 14:30:32
118.   Mark Linsey
As expected, not too much new info from DePo on the radio. Talked about Houlton, Navarro, about the general problem of holding runners on base (no questions about why Phillips plays first).

Ducked a question about the timetable for when we'll see more of the Jacksonville players.

Expressed a vote of confidence in EJack, DePo said that the monday game was one of the "most dominant minor league pitching performances he had ever seen." Said his main problem is control on the fastball, agreed that he was a victicm of unreasonable expectations and given his age, he's actually ahead of where he should be expected to be. Also complimented Billingsley and Orenduff.

Said that he thought JtD could play SS at the major league level, but "might not because we've got a pretty good one right now". Earlier said that Izturis' offense is continually getting better.

2005-08-13 14:31:54
119.   Steve
God, it's hard to say whether JT or PDP should go first.
2005-08-13 14:31:55
120.   King of the Hobos
We finally have a chance to get a base runner and Saenz drops the ball. I can't believe it
2005-08-13 14:32:22
121.   Uncle Miltie
I think Marv's son is about to cry because Reyes gets a CS in the box score.
2005-08-13 14:32:43
122.   Yakface
2005-08-13 14:32:45
123.   Eric Enders
What I want to know is how long the new Dodger manager would get before Steve starts a campaign to fire him. 48 hours?
2005-08-13 14:32:45
124.   Bob Timmermann
For those of us not watching did Saenz drop a throw on a pitchout?
2005-08-13 14:33:26
125.   Eric Enders
SB attempt, pitchout, Izturis catches the throw from Phillips, runner scoots back to first, Izturis makes perfect throw to Saenz, who drops it.
2005-08-13 14:34:07
126.   Bob Timmermann

Any new Dodger manager gets a 48-second grace period from Steve.

2005-08-13 14:34:08
127.   Uncle Miltie
*&&^ Saenz costs the Dodgers a run.

Depo's to do list:
1. Fire Tracy
2. Find a manager that will play Choi

2005-08-13 14:34:20
128.   King of the Hobos
124 Pitchout, Phillips made an awful throw, but Reyes had inexplicably stopped, and Saenz couldn't handle a throw from Izzy. And now Reyes is driven in. This game probably won't end well
2005-08-13 14:35:07
129.   Kayaker7
Why does Yahoo say that Reyes is caught stealing, then he ends up at 3rd on a sac bunt?
2005-08-13 14:35:13
130.   Steve
What I want to know is how long everyone will sit around spouting inane cliches, until it takes a disasterous 65-win season, while killing at least two of our better prospects, for anyone to notice what was going on in the first place?
2005-08-13 14:36:32
131.   Kayaker7
Nevermind. I just read the post above mine.
2005-08-13 14:37:36
132.   Kayaker7
130 Steve, I thought you switched over to the A's. ;)
2005-08-13 14:38:28
133.   Steve
It's a transitionary period. It's going to take a couple of weeks to adjust fully.
2005-08-13 14:38:37
134.   LAT
111 Oldbear, Filepe Alou called. He wants to know where you work so he can have you fired.
2005-08-13 14:39:30
135.   Uncle Miltie
Amazing that Willie Randolph never scored 100 runs in a season despite getting on base 37% of the time in his career.
2005-08-13 14:39:41
136.   King of the Hobos
What are the chances we make Seo work enough to see at least 2 innings of the Mets pen? Choi will probaby be up this inning if a man gets on, if he hits it hard off Seo, I will not be too happy
2005-08-13 14:40:16
137.   Brendan

2007 april

2005-08-13 14:41:18
138.   oldbear
Today's just inexcusable. To leave the ENTIRE offense on the damn bench... Unbelievable.
2005-08-13 14:41:40
139.   Kayaker7
134 Well, at least oldbear also called Kent's AB brain dead hacking at slop. ;-)
2005-08-13 14:43:46
140.   Steve
137 -- The inane cliches will never end. And then 2008's version of Jason Phillips will be playing first base, and everybody will go "Huh? Whaaaa? Whaaaa Happened?"
2005-08-13 14:44:09
141.   Bob Timmermann

What inane cliches are we spouting here? Or are you referring to Jim Tracy? And do you think another manager won't speak in inane cliches?

When you get really angry, your spelling goes south I've noticed.

2005-08-13 14:44:24
142.   King of the Hobos
Note to guy yelling in the background: We have a lot of Ja(y)sons, but Valentin is not one of them
2005-08-13 14:44:48
143.   LAT
139 well than he should be fired for politically incorrect remarks about White Red Neck Texans with Bad Mustaches who needlessly dive into 1B:)
2005-08-13 14:46:24
144.   Steve
Bob, I'm talking about everyone who spouts inane cliches. One can decide about one's own inclusion in that category.
2005-08-13 14:46:27
145.   Uncle Miltie
142- I think he called him HOSE-E
2005-08-13 14:47:20
146.   Kayaker7
143 Redneck Texans born in Bellflower...LOL.
2005-08-13 14:48:25
147.   Bob Timmermann

You may want to dial it down a notch today.

But that's just me.

You're heading over the precipice in your choler today.

2005-08-13 14:51:04
148.   Uncle Miltie
Diaz's weakness is the high fastball, hopefully Penny is watching.
2005-08-13 14:51:57
149.   Kayaker7
Can't believe the Dodgers are being 3-hit today...and Izturis has two of those hits.
2005-08-13 14:52:24
150.   King of the Hobos
Perfect inning for Houlton. He hasn't pitched a bad game, if it's night, and Izzy/Saenz can play defense, then we're down 1-0. We won for him when he wasn't so good, but now that he is putting decent starts together, we lose for him
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2005-08-13 14:52:26
151.   Brendan

That's not fair, it was a trick question all along.

2005-08-13 14:53:29
152.   LAT
The most overused cliche of the season: "We are trying to remain competitve this season while building for the future."

Said far too many times by Depo and anyone named McCourt.

Ranks right up there with "I'm against crime and for educationn." Uttered by every politician to ever run for office.

2005-08-13 14:53:30
153.   King of the Hobos
Choi in. I predict a homer
2005-08-13 14:53:45
154.   Marty
Just turned on the game. I see we have the optimal lineup out there today.
2005-08-13 14:54:24
155.   Brendan
why have choi leadoff an inning. All of South Korea rejoices.
2005-08-13 14:54:43
156.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Quality starrt for D.J.
Watch, JT will say it was such a shame the offense couldn't give D.J. any support.
As if JT is an innocent bystander to this team's fortunes.
2005-08-13 14:56:07
157.   Steve
I'm just tired of this crappy lineup day in and day out.
2005-08-13 14:56:55
158.   King of the Hobos
If he had kept the bat, that's a homer
2005-08-13 14:57:08
159.   Albert in Hong Kong
It's gotta be the bat.
2005-08-13 14:57:33
160.   Uncle Miltie
Blame Joe West! Choi lost his concentration.

I never want to hear Albert announce a game again.

Terrible at bat by Izturis.

2005-08-13 14:58:24
161.   LAT
If I go off on how bad Werth is, will that guarentee a HR?

I thinknot

2005-08-13 14:58:35
162.   LAT
Never mind
2005-08-13 15:00:18
163.   Marty
For you golf fans, Mickelson is slapping it around like Phillips and doing his best to give the PGA away.
2005-08-13 15:01:33
164.   LAT
160 Have to agree Albert Jr. sucks. No style and an absurd homer. Lacks any of the style his father has and probably does't even look as good in a diaper or women's clothing or whatever, the prostitue said he liked to wear.
2005-08-13 15:02:10
165.   Kayaker7
161 Usually works when I badmouth Phillips. He usually hits a homerun when my scorn is at its peak.
2005-08-13 15:02:50
166.   King of the Hobos
Reyes has that down perfectly. Hit it to Izzy
2005-08-13 15:03:07
167.   Kayaker7
164 Probably doesn't even bite well, nor wear a toupee.
2005-08-13 15:03:56
168.   Steve
Yeah, he's a star that one. Only twelve years to go.
2005-08-13 15:04:15
169.   Kayaker7
Wow. When was the last time Izturis had two errors in one game?
2005-08-13 15:04:20
170.   Uncle Miltie
Izturis looks like Jose Offerman today at SS.

Phillips makes another horrible throw.

2005-08-13 15:05:23
171.   Kayaker7
Stolen base, hohum...
2005-08-13 15:05:35
172.   LAT
Dioner guaranteed the catching job for a very long time.
2005-08-13 15:06:19
173.   oldbear
But he's a GG SS. And he's young. And he's fast...

When will this nightmare end?

2005-08-13 15:07:33
174.   Uncle Miltie
167- I was just thinking to myself whether or not Jr. is also a biter.
2005-08-13 15:08:23
175.   Bob Timmermann
I thought Izturis had a 2-error game earlier in the year.

He had two of them in 2002.

2005-08-13 15:08:30
176.   King of the Hobos
I'm praying for a 7th very similar to yesterday's, although I'd prefer a better ending
2005-08-13 15:09:02
177.   LAT
Nice play by Old Maid, but now he probably won't feel sexy for a few days.
2005-08-13 15:09:29
178.   Mark Linsey
Not bad for an Old Maid.
2005-08-13 15:09:41
179.   Steve
This game is like a clinic for the meaninglessness of the stolen base.
2005-08-13 15:10:37
180.   Kayaker7
172 From Defensively, Phillips is a good catch-and-throw receiver who works well with pitchers. He also does a decent job controlling the running game.
2005-08-13 15:10:51
181.   oldbear
I hate to say it but it would be almost better if the Dodgers were shut out.

I mean, when Trace threw that lineup out there.. What more did he expect?

2005-08-13 15:12:04
182.   Uncle Miltie
Jr. continues to update us on Seo's scoreless streak after every out is made.
2005-08-13 15:12:05
183.   King of the Hobos
DP? Robles walk to first is annoying, he drops the bat on the plate delicately like he has to
2005-08-13 15:12:22
184.   popup
Bob T,

Not sure if you got my post on an earlier thread, but Alston batted Drysdale 7th in the order on August 15, 1965 against the Pirates. I think for awhile Tony L was batting his pitcher 8th in the order for some tactical reason that only made sense to Tony. Other than LaRussa's experiment, I can't think of any other time except for Don in 1965 when a National League pitcher has batted anywhere other than 9th to begin a game.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-13 15:12:46
185.   LAT
180 Was that written by Joe Morgan.
2005-08-13 15:14:15
186.   Kayaker7
185 LOL...not Tracy?
2005-08-13 15:14:36
187.   LAT
182 Yeah, listening to Jr., you'd think Bulldog had something to worry about
2005-08-13 15:17:08
188.   Uncle Miltie
YES! There goes the scoreless sreak JR!
2005-08-13 15:17:28
189.   King of the Hobos
At least we're not shutout. And we have a man in scoring position for Mr Clutch
2005-08-13 15:17:41
190.   Uncle Miltie
2005-08-13 15:19:07
191.   LAT
Jr. right on cue: "Soo's shutout streak ends at 21 innings."
2005-08-13 15:19:28
192.   Uncle Miltie
That was not a clutch out.
2005-08-13 15:19:50
193.   King of the Hobos
That was a clutch pop up to Reyes. Let's go for another run at least...
2005-08-13 15:20:28
194.   Kayaker7
Way to go, Old Maido.
2005-08-13 15:20:41
195.   Uncle Miltie
Man Howard looked a lot like Boog Powell
2005-08-13 15:21:17
196.   Bob Timmermann
Ah yes, I see that now Stan.

I looked at the account of that game and Alston thought it was worth a try. But Drysdale didn't get any hits and the Dodgers lost anyway, so I guess that was the end of that.

2005-08-13 15:21:54
197.   King of the Hobos
Vaentin had a nice line drive, he just needed to hit it harder and not at someone
2005-08-13 15:22:14
198.   Uncle Miltie
Jr "Jeanie I love your outfit, maybe I could borrow some of your clothes some time"
2005-08-13 15:22:26
199.   LAT
I don't want to violate the profanity rule when posting about Phillips. Are "crap" "sucks" and "he's a bitch" violations?
2005-08-13 15:23:22
200.   Steve
Truth is always a defense, LAT
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2005-08-13 15:23:40
201.   Bob Timmermann
As a followup to the game when Drysdale started on the mound and batted seventh, it was during the Watts Riots and the newspaper account said that when Johnny Podres and Don LeJohn were driving back on the Pasadena Freeway to their hotel, their car got hit by a sniper's bullet, but no one was hurt.
2005-08-13 15:24:06
202.   Uncle Miltie
Did Izturis miss the tag? Terrible play if he did.
2005-08-13 15:24:15
203.   King of the Hobos
That throw was close. Just a little more on the throw and it's an out
2005-08-13 15:25:02
204.   oldbear
Did Repko misplay another ball in CF, or was that a legit Double?
2005-08-13 15:25:45
205.   King of the Hobos
204 Line drive to the gap. Repko actually played it well
2005-08-13 15:26:31
206.   Kayaker7
197 His BA is now
2005-08-13 15:26:38
207.   Ryan Jerz
Izturis looks completely asleep today.
2005-08-13 15:26:40
208.   Uncle Miltie
The Mets love to make productive outs
2005-08-13 15:28:05
209.   King of the Hobos
And Saenz's double was useless
2005-08-13 15:28:13
210.   Uncle Miltie
The guy in the background would be a more entertaining announcer than Jr.
2005-08-13 15:28:49
211.   Kayaker7
199 I heard this on NPR a few weeks ago, regarding the annual dog show, and the female dog that won best in show. The commentator, "She is such an amazing bitch."
2005-08-13 15:29:32
212.   Bob Timmermann
Why is Saenz's double useless? The Dodgers scored a run. Yes, they allowed another run. But still it's better to be down 4-1 than 4-0 isn't it?
2005-08-13 15:29:40
213.   LAT
As hard as it is for me to give credit to Steve Lyons, I must today. He has resisted the temptation to be a Dodger homer in reponse to Jr. and has done a nice job sitting next to an idiot.
2005-08-13 15:31:49
214.   King of the Hobos
212 Bad word usage on my part. I guess I meant the double didn't change anything from an inning before.
2005-08-13 15:32:07
215.   LAT
211 I wan't thinking along the lines of "Phillips is such an amazing bitch."

I was thinking "Phillips is such a uselss bitch."

2005-08-13 15:33:02
216.   Uncle Miltie
Jr. makes Joe Morgan sound convincing with his arguments.
2005-08-13 15:34:39
217.   Steve
Three runs down...time for the real offense! Or something.
2005-08-13 15:35:16
218.   Uncle Miltie
Ledee is a kid?
2005-08-13 15:36:17
219.   LAT
Ricky 9 for 19 as PH. That's pretty dran good
2005-08-13 15:37:12
220.   oldbear
Izturis really isnt a very good ballplayer. I hope DePo thinks the same.
2005-08-13 15:38:10
221.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
It's the parade of pinch-hitters. You know, the guys who should've been starting.
2005-08-13 15:38:48
222.   Steve
Izturis hits .313 during the day and .240 (a bad .240; not a Phillips/Hercules .240) at night. Would Tracy consider playing him only during the day, given his amazing grasp of statistical splits?
2005-08-13 15:38:51
223.   LAT
Daughter just gleefully read that Mike Hampton will be starting against the D'Backs tomorrow.
2005-08-13 15:38:55
224.   King of the Hobos
220 10 for 20 now. He should be our lefty off the bench, not Choi. I've given up on Tracy seeing anything sensibly at this point
2005-08-13 15:40:37
225.   oldbear
Its just Izturis approach to the plate is terrible. It never changes. He hits the ball in the air way too much, he doesnt take enough pitches. He belongs on the SF Giants...

There I said it.

2005-08-13 15:40:54
226.   Steve
And Green has heated up again.
2005-08-13 15:41:45
227.   Steve
A Giant lineup with Matheny and Izturis in it would look like...would look like...well, it would look like a Jim Tracy lineup. Which gives me another idea...
2005-08-13 15:43:01
228.   Marty
Jose, it's like you never left.
2005-08-13 15:43:12
229.   LAT
226 I'm telling you it was the Pepe Frais comment to you the other day:)

Oakland retired Eck's number today. Too bad they weren't playing Detroit

2005-08-13 15:43:42
230.   Uncle Miltie
The 40 year old steals 3rd off Phillips!
2005-08-13 15:44:04
231.   King of the Hobos
Good job Phillips. A good throw and he's out, but no, he scores
2005-08-13 15:44:05
232.   Marty
It's like Steve Sax is playing catcher.
2005-08-13 15:45:21
233.   Kayaker7
Nice throw, Jason...oh, there are a lot of Jason, I should specify, Phillips.
2005-08-13 15:45:37
234.   LAT
What a crappy sucky bitch.

Jayson, Burger King is on the phone for you

2005-08-13 15:46:19
235.   popup
#201, I did not know about Podres and LeJohn. I was visiting LA at the time and it was very tense inside and outside Dodger Stadium. Too bad that baseball was not the main topic of conversation.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-13 15:46:59
236.   Kayaker7
Hey, we're within slamming range.
2005-08-13 15:47:01
237.   LAT
This is funny in a sad, very sad, sort of way.
2005-08-13 15:47:09
238.   Steve
Be careful what you wish for. It's first base that's on the phone for Jason Phillips.
2005-08-13 15:47:14
239.   King of the Hobos
On the bright side, Broxton didn't give up an earned run! We should be rejoicing
2005-08-13 15:47:26
240.   Uncle Miltie
I'm guessing the Phillips at catcher experiment is over. Choi will be a pinch hitter the rest of the year :(
2005-08-13 15:48:07
241.   oldbear
With Tracy's love for defense, how is that Jason Phillips has managed to not stay out of his doghouse?

Trace must really really hate Choi. Thats the only way I can figure it.

We need to just DFA Phillips and call back up Mike Rose.

At least when Navarro has a day off, someone adequate can take his place.

2005-08-13 15:48:27
242.   Kayaker7
134 So, I guess this further cements Phillips at 1B.
2005-08-13 15:49:09
243.   Uncle Miltie
Pinch hit for Phillips with Bradley!
2005-08-13 15:49:42
244.   oldbear
I thought Phillips worth was as a back up catcher, but the league knows it can run at will on him now. So he's basically useless.
2005-08-13 15:50:41
245.   Kayaker7
243 Nah, if the three guys get on, Phillips will hit a grand slam.
2005-08-13 15:51:11
246.   King of the Hobos
245 Unfortunately, no
2005-08-13 15:52:09
247.   Kayaker7
Dang, Phillips' clutch homer will not catch the Mets, now that Robles made an out.
2005-08-13 15:52:48
248.   Kayaker7
And Kent.
2005-08-13 15:53:03
249.   LAT
244 He is what Phillips is good for:

"I'll have a Whopper with cheese, large fries and diet coke. Oh yeah, also I want an order of those new chicken fries and don't forget my care bear plush toy."

2005-08-13 15:54:05
250.   Steve
Nice to see we can agree so passionately on something, LAT.
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2005-08-13 15:54:44
251.   Uncle Miltie
Mets win! Jr. is off Victoria's Secret to celebrate.
2005-08-13 15:54:48
252.   King of the Hobos
That game sucked. With Pedro going tomorrow, I predict a devestating lineup of Izzy, Robles, Bradley, Phillips, Valentin, Perez, Navarro, Repko, Penny
2005-08-13 15:55:36
253.   Kayaker7
249 Just don't say, "Throw in an order of apple pie." He might actually throw and miss.
2005-08-13 15:55:38
254.   oldbear
I dont want Phillips, Izturis, or Repko on the team next year. That is all.
2005-08-13 15:55:47
255.   LAT
Good thing the Dodgers came up with that last hit. Otherwise they have the same number of errors as hits.

Well watching this miserable game with all here is about all you say for today. Have a good evening all.

2005-08-13 15:56:06
256.   King of the Hobos
These 2 game win streaks are awfully nice. Let's try for a 3 game one next time
2005-08-13 15:57:40
257.   oldbear
252. I agree. Its a shame that Tracy has deemed Jose Cruz Jr already useless. I'd give him at least 25 at bats before declaring him that.

The only thing that can save this season is a 60 DL of Izturis, along with a DFA of Phillips.

Its doubtful either happen.

Izzy/Phillips must be stopped before they wreak more havoc.

2005-08-13 15:57:49
258.   Steve
Enjoy the fireworks tomorrow, LAT.
2005-08-13 16:02:01
259.   King of the Hobos
The problem isn't the injuries per se, but that they happened to Drew, Bradley, Ledee, Gagne, Perez, and Alvarez, rather than Izzy, Phillips, Carrara, and Repko (aside from Izzy's one DL stint).
2005-08-13 16:05:05
260.   King of the Hobos
Astacio vs Padilla, could go either way, but the Phils will hammer Astacio moreso than the Pads hammering Padilla I would guess

Tomko vs Beckett, we'll stay a game ahead of San Francisco, unless Beckett is injured/ejected

2005-08-13 16:07:22
261.   Uncle Miltie
Anyone watching the Little League World Series? A couple of the kids' favorite player is Ty Cobb? Those racist little *
2005-08-13 16:10:10
262.   Kayaker7
261 Do they bat with a gap between the hands?
2005-08-13 16:20:42
263.   Uncle Miltie
The catcher for Illinois resembles Jason Phillips defensively. His (or his dad's) favorite player is Ryne Sandberg. Hopefully the kid is a fan of Sandberg's writing.
2005-08-13 16:29:50
264.   Uncle Miltie
Illinois just ran themselves out of the inning. On a wild pitch walk, with runners on 2nd and 3rd, the runner from 3rd tried to score, but was thrown out, then the guy who had just walked tried to go to 2nd and was thrown out for an interesting double play. These kids must have been taught to run the bases by Izturis.
2005-08-13 16:35:31
265.   Bob Timmermann
The Tigers and Royals have been rained out two straight nights now in Kansas City!

This pains me greatly.

I hope Tony Bennett is more enjoyable than what I was able to follow of the game along with what I've been dealing with at work.

2005-08-13 16:59:20
266.   LetsGoDodgers
Quote from AP, "Dodgers 1B Hee-Seop Choi, a high school teammate of Seo's in South Korea, did not start despite his four hits in 11 career at-bats against his countryman. Choi pinch-hit in the sixth and struck out."

Apparently a .364 BA only earns you a pinch-hitting appearance. JT makes me want to vomit. It's apparent to me that JT is neither old-school nor new-school when it comes to defining his managerial style, so what school is he from?

2005-08-13 16:59:41
267.   LetsGoDodgers
And don't say clown college; it's obvious.
2005-08-13 17:08:59
268.   Mark
Ladies and gentlemen, a show of support for your 2006 Dodgers:

Eric Gagne
J.D. Drew
Jeff Kent
Milton Bradley
Brad Penny
...and Scott Erickson. (what? oh)

2005-08-13 17:11:19
269.   King of the Hobos
Clown's a good one. It's definitely a special school. He was mentored by Alou, maybe Caribbean School

(disclaimer: this is in no way racist or making fun of ethnicities)

2005-08-13 17:15:06
270.   Bob Timmermann

I just can't get this out of my head when I read that handle

2005-08-13 17:18:35
271.   Bob Timmermann
Funny how the playing time of various Dodgers players has been determined mainly by Ryan Freel.
2005-08-13 17:20:43
272.   King of the Hobos
Geoff Jenkins just broke up a no hitter in the 5th--against Ramon Ortiz

Marlins up 2-1. Bases loaded, line drive to short right field for Delgado, but Cruz was playing about 10-15 feet off the grass to make the diving catch. That's a single in any normal defensive alignment. I thought it was the rightfielder at first who caught it... Still 2-1 nonetheless

2005-08-13 18:43:52
273.   popup
2-1 win for the Marlins. Great complete game performance by Josh Beckett. My goal for the Dodgers this year is for DePo to get something for Weaver and for the Dodgers to finish ahead of the Giants.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-13 22:02:45
274.   the OZ
For any late stragglers or people still not all the way to "acceptance," Trevor Hoffman gave up 4 runs in the ninth as the Padres are on their way to losing to the Phillies tonight.
2005-08-13 22:07:43
275.   King of the Hobos
Every NL West team lost, it's hard to go into acceptance with that. I'm there, I just forget it from time to time

Also, while it means nothing, Chen made his 6th error of the season today, meaning the defensive liability has the same number of errors as the defensive whiz (Repko). Obviously this means nothing, just a fun fact

2005-08-13 22:27:39
276.   ddger
Through some miracle if we end up winning this lousy division, Tracy most likely will be retained.

Our Choice:

Win this division and Tracy retained
Lose this division and Tracy gone

2005-08-13 22:53:24
277.   King of the Hobos
I'm rooting for "Win this division and Tracy bails to manage for his home town Reds"
2005-08-13 23:13:34
278.   ddger
King, it looks like you and I are the only ones here.

Should we be fortunate that Valentin came back quickly from his injury?

Our eagerly awaited BIG BAT Jose Valentin is
5 for 37 since his return. How long will Tracy continue to start him and why does he continue to start him?

Tracy complains about our offense being so inconsistent. Does he think that the lineup he makes out everyday doesn't have anything to do with it?

2005-08-14 01:06:07
279.   Joon
Has anyone mentioned this yet?

"Tracy said Friday afternoon that Kent would get a day off Saturday, but an examination of Bradley's numbers against Seo -- 0-for-6 with four strikeouts -- prompted the manager to move Kent's day of rest to Sunday. "

I thought Tracy only does this with Choi, now Bradley too? Does Tracy really thinks 6 ABs is so meaningful we have to keep Bradley on the bench and bat Robles 3rd? I guess this is Tracy being creative.

2005-08-14 02:01:09
280.   Clive Clements
I just read Henson's Dodger Report, and it looks like even Robles knows that Tracy's lineups are wacky:

" The lineup card was posted in the Dodger clubhouse, third baseman Oscar Robles looked over from his locker and his eyes bulged.

"What the . . . ?" he yelped to no one in particular.

Robles, a contact hitter with limited power, was batting third because Milton Bradley was given the day off.

"Why me?" Robles said.

Manager Jim Tracy had an answer.

"Because he gets on base and [cleanup hitter] Jeff Kent knocks in runs when guys are on base," he said. "Oscar gives you a good at-bat every time he goes up there."

2005-08-14 02:18:16
281.   Bill Crain
A day or two ago somebody mentioned that Jim Tracy had admitted to reading Bill Jame's book on managers and someone else said that was the one that said bunting wasn't a bad idea. OK, so I looked it up and the comment was buried under the Leo Duroucher section. Now, it don't say bunting isn't a bad idea. In, fact, I thought I was going to quote from it at length but, truth is, if I quoted at all it would take 10K words or more. You all should read it. But the point is, this is not an easy question. You can't say the bunt is... forget it. Read the book. What I mean to say here is Jim Tracy is not an idiot just because of what he does at one point in one game. Paul knows what he is doing and knows why. Does anyone here think he knows more than Paul about what is happening on the field? For Christ's sake, read BP on this. Yeah, we lost a tough one today. But, please, that's no reason to turn stupid.
2005-08-14 02:35:39
282.   jpeace
281 "Jim Tracy is not an idiot just because of what he does at one point in one game"

No, Tracy is an idiot because of the cummulation of mistakes that he makes seemingly every game. It starts with our ridiculous lineups. Managing a baseball team isn't brain surgery. I think Bill James would agree with that.

And i don't think any rational person thinks Depo is stupid.

2005-08-14 07:30:00
283.   dbenzen
Before giving up on Brazo, remember Joe Nathan. Almost identical development pattern.

If he doesn't come back as manager, Jim Tracy would make a hella funeral director. He's got the imagination of a zombie.

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