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The 21st-Century Dodger All-Star Team
2005-08-22 08:59
by Jon Weisman

Today's 10:05 a.m. Game

* * *
Starting Lineup

Gary Sheffield, LF, 2000
Paul Lo Duca, C, 2001
Adrian Beltre, 3B, 2004
Shawn Green, RF, 2001
Jeff Kent, 2B, 2005
Shawn Green, 1B, 2004
Milton Bradley, CF, 2004
Cesar Izturis, SS, 2004
Kevin Brown, P, 2000


Olmedo Saenz, 1B, 2005
Jose Hernandez, UT, 2004
Marquis Grissom, OF, 2002
Dave Ross, C, 2003
Chris Donnells, IF, 2000
Mike Kinkade, IF, 2002


Kevin Brown, 2003
Kevin Brown, 2001
Hideo Nomo, 2003
Chan Ho Park, 2000


Eric Gagne, 2003


Guillermo Mota, 2003
Paul Quantrill, 2003
Wilson Alvarez, 2003
Paul Quantrill, 2002
Matt Herges, 2000

2000 stats 2001 stats 2002 stats 2003 stats 2004 stats 2005 stats

Comments (424)
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2005-08-22 09:07:07
1.   natepurcell
i hope jackson doesnt get completely killed.
2005-08-22 09:07:30
2.   natepurcell
im setting my standards low today so i wont get dissapointed and go in a week long depression.
2005-08-22 09:11:50
3.   Howard Fox
don't be too surprised if Jackson pitches a good game...and we beat up on Willis again
2005-08-22 09:14:42
4.   natepurcell
it will make my week if that happens.

but for now, i will be a pessimist for the day so i wont be dissapointed.

2005-08-22 09:18:11
5.   oldbear
EJ's prediction:

5.2 innings. 7hits 4Runs 3K's 2bb's

I expect at least Derek Thompson quality today from EJ. Anything less, and I will be disappointed.

2005-08-22 09:18:13
6.   Nuke
I'm shocked by Omar Daal's exclusion from the 21st-Century All Star Team.
2005-08-22 09:33:16
7.   JeffinTokyo
Kevin Brown is the only repeater. And with him, this makes a 3-man rotation. I know this is only an excercise, but since these are modern stats, such a roster is at least possible. With that in mind, who would make out the rest of the Dodger rotation?

Perez 2002 or 2003, and Penny 2005?

2005-08-22 09:33:42
8.   Howard Fox
Perez at 3b instead of Robles...Tracy must really want to win this one...
2005-08-22 09:33:49
9.   Fearing Blue
A very un-Tracy lineup again today. Perhaps his body has been taken over by aliens?
2005-08-22 09:34:11
10.   Kayaker7
7 Odalis or Carlos? ;-)
2005-08-22 09:35:38
11.   Fearing Blue
Four switch hitters in the lineup (Izturis, Bradley, Cruz, and Navarro). Everyone Willis faces will be batting from the right side.
2005-08-22 09:36:03
12.   JeffinTokyo
I just noticed that Shawn Green is also a repeater at 1st and RF. I would keep him at first, and put the 2004 Steve Finley in right.
2005-08-22 09:36:32
13.   Fearing Blue
A good outing from Jackson and a fine defensive performance from Perez would make my day.
2005-08-22 09:37:00
14.   dzzrtRatt
8 It's God's turn in the God vs. The Devil competition that began a few days ago...
2005-08-22 09:37:17
15.   Yakface
Whats the LineUp today?
2005-08-22 09:37:25
16.   Kayaker7
12 If no repeaters are allowed, I would put Karros at first and Green at RF.
2005-08-22 09:41:42
17.   Rob M
Izturis ss
Perez 3B
Bradley CF
Kent 2B
Saenz 1B
Werth LF
Cruz RF
Navarro C
Jackson P

Another legit lineup from Tracy. This is about the best I could hope for against a lefty, save Cesar dropping to the 8 hole.

2005-08-22 09:43:15
18.   Bob Timmermann
Odalis to the DL I assume since he isn't listed among the reserves on Gameday?
2005-08-22 09:43:42
19.   Eric Enders
I'm surprised Repko didn't start, since he's got a HR against Willis.

In 2003. In Double-A.

Of course, he may have gone on the DL today to make room for Jackson. Anyone hear yet what the Dodgers' roster move was?

2005-08-22 09:44:23
20.   oldbear
17. Exactly right. Someone slipped Tracy som smart pills for today's lineup. I can even forgive him for batting Izzy leadoff again, since Izzy is 5-7 against Willis.
2005-08-22 09:44:24
21.   Bob Timmermann
Random Dodger game callback

August 22, 1918

With the season about to come to a premature end as the newspapers were filled with casualty counts from World War I, instead of baseball scores, two teams playing out the string, Brookyn and St. Louis, split a doubleheader at Robison Field. The Cardinals won the first game 4-3 and the Dodgers won the second one 5-2. Brooklyn was in fifth place at 53-62 and 22 games behind first place Chicago.

Because of wartime labor shortages, the government ordered the season to end on Labor Day. And on this day, the Secretary of War gave indications that he would allow the World Series to be played. But for the rest of the world, there wasn't much to be happy about. Fortunately, the war would end in three months, although baseball would play another abbreviated schedule in 1919.

In the opener, Brooklyn started Rube Marquard and he gave up 10 hits and walked four in 8 2/3 innings pitched. It was 8 2/3 because Marquard walked Bruno Betzel with the bases loaded to force in John Brock with the game-winning run. Brock, a seldom-used backup catcher, would go 4 for 7 in the doubleheader.

Brooklyn managed 9 hits off of St. Louis starter Bill Sherdel, including a triple from Hi Myers. Zack Wheat had three hits.

In the nightcap, Brooklyn started George Smith and he too gave up 10 hits, but he was able to scatter them around better and also issued no walks, so the Cardinals could only score twice. Brooklyn was more efficient using six hits and three walks to score five runs. The Dodgers left only one runner on base.

There wasn't much more of the 1918 season left and Brooklyn would win just four more games and finish 57-69, 25 ½ games behind the Cubs and in fifth place.

Zack Wheat was the Dodgers standout, leading the NL in batting average at .335, his only batting title. Jake Daubert led the NL in triples with 15. But the Dodgers season was symbolized best by third baseman Ollie O'Mara who batted .213, had an OBP of .242 and a SLG of .242. Brooklyn hit just 10 home runs overall. Pitcher Jack Coombs gave up 10 on his own.

Coombs played his last full year in the majors and went 8-14 with a 3.81 ERA. He also played some in the outfield and played both games of the doubleheader this day in right field. Coombs had won 31 games for the A's in 1910 and 28 in 1911 and he was the first Dodger to ever win a World Series game.

Burleigh Grimes had an outstanding season, going 19-9 with a 2.14 ERA. Marquard led the league in losses with 18, but had an ERA of just 2.64.

Brooklyn might have had a slightly better record if the whole season had been played out. But the early end kept the team from having a balanced schedule. So Brooklyn played just 54 games at Ebbets Field and 72 on the road, where the Dodgers went 24-48.

Thanks to the Washington Post, and Retrosheet

2005-08-22 09:44:40
22.   natepurcell
i hope jackson takes this start, takes off, and never gives the rotation spot back...

oh wait damn, im being optimistic again.

2005-08-22 09:45:11
23.   oldbear
19. OP was DL'ed. That means EJ's gonna get at least 2-3 starts likely.
2005-08-22 09:48:15
24.   Eric Enders
For those who missed it at the end of yesterday's thread, here's the last time these two faced each other:

2005-08-22 09:50:43
25.   Yakface
OP probably hurt himself during his visit home, Think about it, He gets back on wed. starts does poorly and all of sudden he's hurt because he had to reach for a high throw? Are you kidding me? He hurt himself drinking.
2005-08-22 09:52:10
26.   Bob Timmermann
I object to the 21st Century selections because I'm on one of those people who doesn't think 2000 is part of the 20th Century.

And would that surprise anybody here?

2005-08-22 09:53:05
27.   Eric Enders
"I object to the 21st Century selections because I'm on one of those people who doesn't think 2000 is part of the 20th Century."

Hey, your personal life is your own business, Bob...

2005-08-22 09:56:04
28.   Bob Timmermann
2000 is not in the 21st century!
2005-08-22 09:56:45
29.   JeffinTokyo
I am listening on mlb radio on the Internet. Soon as I found out it was Mo and Al, I switched to the Marlins station. Wouldn't you know it, Gentleman Al Downing is being interviewed on the Marlins station!
2005-08-22 09:57:43
30.   Yakface
29- What part of Tokyo are you in Jeff?
2005-08-22 09:58:10
31.   Kayaker7
26 I'm confused...2000 is NOT part of the 20th century, as you noted. So, you object because you agree with the statement that 2000 IS a part of the 21st century?
2005-08-22 09:59:01
32.   Kayaker7
28 Okay, you cleared up your position, though you're wrong. ;-)
2005-08-22 09:59:01
33.   oldbear
25. Oblique strains are nothing to joke about. Tim Hudson has been on the DL a few times this season with them, and also had them in Oakland as well.

I'm afraid OP's deal is gonna look like the worst move DePo made. Because his contract is pretty backloaded. I think next year he makes 10mils.

2005-08-22 09:59:59
34.   Eric Enders
Perhaps I should have bolded the quote in 27 so people would get the joke...

"I object to the 21st Century selections because I'm on one of those people who doesn't think 2000 is part of the 20th Century."

2005-08-22 10:00:02
35.   Bob Timmermann

I tend to detract from my dogmatic stances on unimportant matters by making typos.

28 reflects my true stance.

2005-08-22 10:00:15
36.   oldbear
29. What time is it in Tokyo? You must be up pretty late! Its only Noon on Monday here.
2005-08-22 10:00:57
37.   JeffinTokyo
yakface, I live in Yokohama Tsuzuki-ku, and work in Tokyo near Gotanda. Are you in country?
2005-08-22 10:02:04
38.   Yakface
I was about 2 weeks ago, My parents Live in Chofu.
2005-08-22 10:03:08
39.   Kayaker7
35 Ha ha, like I said, you're wrong. :)
2005-08-22 10:03:48
40.   JeffinTokyo
Yakface, Chofu is a nice neighborhood.

Oldbear,it is 2am. I should be sleeping. But, we really need this win.

2005-08-22 10:05:29
41.   Yakface
Are you a Yakult Swallows fan? I went to a couple of their games, it was great.
2005-08-22 10:06:27
42.   JeffinTokyo
24. Eric Enders - The Marlins announcer mentioned the previous willis-jackson matchup in 2003 you referenced. He said that it was Willis' final minor league start.

Nice lead off batting for Cesar!

2005-08-22 10:07:51
43.   JeffinTokyo
41. Yak, I am a Hanshin Tigers fan. My wife is from Osaka. But I do not dislike the Swallows. In fact they are my second favorite team whenever they play the Giants.
2005-08-22 10:08:54
44.   Kayaker7
Izzy walks!!!
2005-08-22 10:10:04
45.   Yakface
2005-08-22 10:12:37
46.   Mark Linsey
Why is Bradley out of the game?
2005-08-22 10:13:26
47.   molokai
No wonder we've had little success in the 21 century if that is the best lineup we could produce. It would be an interesting exercise to add up the VORP for all of the teams 21st century team and see where we sit.

At least we know that Lima would be the pitcher in the playoff game:)

2005-08-22 10:13:58
48.   JeffinTokyo
Bradley is out of the game. It's because baseball is not his life. He is probably off to a poetry reading in South Beach.
2005-08-22 10:14:19
49.   Bob Timmermann
There's a rabbit loose!
2005-08-22 10:15:43
50.   Yakface
Bradley out of the game.
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2005-08-22 10:15:55
51.   Yakface
Bradley out of the game.
2005-08-22 10:16:01
52.   Yakface
Bradley out of the game.
2005-08-22 10:17:52
53.   Kayaker7
49 Get the shotgun.
2005-08-22 10:27:24
54.   Bob Timmermann
So, are there any fans at this game? A Monday afternoon game on a really hot day.
2005-08-22 10:29:00
55.   joekings
I wonder if Bradley wanted out so he wouldn't have to play with Jeff Kent. He wouldn't go that far would he?
2005-08-22 10:29:08
56.   Mark Linsey
Does anyone know why Bradley left? Injury? Arguing with the ump after the double play? Throwing buckets of baseballs after the double play?
2005-08-22 10:29:19
57.   Yakface
2K's 2hits 1 BB 1 Run odd.
2005-08-22 10:29:26
58.   natepurcell
cheap hit by delgado. but 1st inning nerves got to jackson. hopefully he'll calm down and when i get back from class, hopefully we won.
2005-08-22 10:29:26
59.   Monterey Chris
At 34 pitches per inning, Jackson should give us a solid three innings today.
2005-08-22 10:30:17
60.   Bob Timmermann
I forget, but does Jackson always take this long when he pitches?
2005-08-22 10:31:05
61.   JeffinTokyo
EJ's last pitch was clocked at 97, according to the Marlins announcers.

From the radio, it sounds like a pretty decent crowd. Probably lots of kids.

2005-08-22 10:31:32
62.   Nagman
He probably hurt himself hustling.
2005-08-22 10:31:33
63.   Howard Fox
56 - if it was after running out a DP, he probably has a pulled hamstring
2005-08-22 10:32:12
64.   Bob Timmermann
I would assume that the Marlins gave away a lot of tickets.
2005-08-22 10:33:01
65.   JeffinTokyo
Milton: irritated left patella tendon
2005-08-22 10:33:33
66.   underdog
The report on Bradley: hurt his knee mildly when lunging for first base in first inning.
2005-08-22 10:34:03
67.   JeffinTokyo
65. according to marlins booth
2005-08-22 10:35:10
68.   Yakface
66- In your face Kent!
2005-08-22 10:35:46
69.   Marty
To extend the earlier argument, 2000 definitely is NOT part of the 21st Century.
2005-08-22 10:36:21
70.   Eric Enders
FWIW, I'm editing an interview with Vladimir Guerrero right now and the interviewer asked him the following question:

"MLB: Didn't you nearly go to the Dodgers until a last-minute snag?
VG: I don't want to comment on how close the Dodgers were. It doesn't matter now. I always thought that this is where I wanted to go. Long-term, you want to go where people have trust in you and play in an environment like Angel Stadium and for an owner [Arte Moreno] who is a fan of the game. It makes it interesting. It is a right fit."

2005-08-22 10:36:27
71.   Bob Timmermann
The 626 crowd refuses to put 2000 in the 21st century!
2005-08-22 10:37:17
72.   Sam DC
Hi all. Back from a week of no computer and hardly any tv. Saw an occasional ticker, including the magical saturday when, waiting for the Dodger score, I turned to my wife and said "Man, I hope they put up 11 runs tonight." Honest. Course, I guess I should have said, "Man, I hope we can all just get along" or some such.

Anyhow, watching the scores, I expect the acceptance/denial pendulum was swinging fiercely this week . . .

My 4-year old wears a Dodger cap a lot of the time (not because of me or even the Dodgers, really, but because of his hero from The Sandlot). So we get other LA transplants coming up to make conversation every now and again. This last week I met a guy who was a big Dodgers fan growing up in the 70s, but quit rooting for the team, or even watching baseball after Steve Garvey went to San Diego. For no real reason, he says, he started rooting for the team again this year, got a new jersey (Izturis), got mlb extra innings, and "feel in love all over again" during the 12-2 run at the beginning of the season. Needless to say, he's a bit bitter at the moment.

2005-08-22 10:37:18
73.   JeffinTokyo
Am I the only one sick of the Dodgers having so many anti-Gibsons on the team? JD Drew we all know about. Then there ODP going on the DL with a mild oblique strain and now Milton. First, he misses a month with a sprained finger, and now this.

It seems the only gamer right now (among the walking wounded) is Ledee.

2005-08-22 10:37:31
74.   Nagman
68 or else Kent is thinking, "See what happens when he actually hustles?"
2005-08-22 10:38:00
75.   Yakface
Kent Scores- In your face milton!
2005-08-22 10:38:06
76.   alex 7
the drama of gameday's "in play, run-scoring play" line never gets old.
2005-08-22 10:38:18
77.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Milton: irritated left patella tendon
Milton: irritated Kent.
2005-08-22 10:39:05
78.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday had some issues there because Jose Cruz's AB was skipped and we went to straight to Navarro.

This is a hard game to follow online. I think the Gameday operator is being affected by the heat.

2005-08-22 10:39:37
79.   Kayaker7
69 Okay, pretend you're counting your fingers, only difference being, you're counting half a finger at a time. So, when you have gotten to 9.5 fingers, you are on your 10th finger. So, when you start the year 2000, it is the 2001st year.
2005-08-22 10:39:53
80.   Kayaker7
69 Okay, pretend you're counting your fingers, only difference being, you're counting half a finger at a time. So, when you have gotten to 9.5 fingers, you are on your 10th finger. So, when you start the year 2000, it is the 2001st year.
2005-08-22 10:40:45
81.   JeffinTokyo
Edwin needs to pound the zone right now. Bottom of the lineup. Keep the momentum going.
2005-08-22 10:40:48
82.   Bob Timmermann

It's a calendar, not an odometer.

2005-08-22 10:41:35
83.   Yakface
You guys are aware that, If you get 4 free trial issues of SI you get gameday audio for free, for the rest of the season. You just signup then cancel your subscription, you dont pay a penny.
2005-08-22 10:41:52
84.   underdog
Woo hoo! Everything was great there except for Cruz's baserunning gaffe. Even EJ gave it a ride.

Btw, about the blog topic today - kinda sad that Green gets the 1B nod given how little he played there, but just speaks to our inconsistency at the position so far this century. Chris Donnells? Wow..

2005-08-22 10:43:38
85.   Sam DC
78 Maybe the operator's just got first inning nerves. Hopefully, he/she'll settle down by the time Nate gets back from class.
2005-08-22 10:43:48
86.   underdog
78: Confused GameDay still less confusing then listening to Rick Monday.
2005-08-22 10:44:18
87.   Kayaker7
82 Odometers count miles, calendars count time. What's the diff?
2005-08-22 10:44:29
88.   Bob Timmermann
Dontrelle Willis is threatening to turn into the anti-Larry Jaster or, for our younger readers, the anti-Brian Lawrence.
2005-08-22 10:46:11
89.   Rob M
97 mph fastball. He looks good this inning - more relaxed motion, ball lower in the zone, nice rhythm.
2005-08-22 10:46:35
90.   Sam DC
A smooth bottom of the second for both Jackson and Gameday.
2005-08-22 10:46:53
91.   Humma Kavula
The difference is that odometers start at 0.

There was no year 0. There was Year 1 B.C., and then there was Year 1 A.D.

So, the "2nd decade" didn't start until year 11 A.D.

...and the 2nd Century didn't start until 101 A.D.

and so on.

2005-08-22 10:47:30
92.   JeffinTokyo
For me, the argument stating that 2000 does not mark the beginning of the 21st century is akin to the grammar rule stating that a sentence should not end with a preposition. As Sir Churchill famously said, "That is nonsense up with which I shall not put."
2005-08-22 10:47:31
93.   JeffinTokyo
For me, the argument stating that 2000 does not mark the beginning of the 21st century is akin to the grammar rule stating that a sentence should not end with a preposition. As Sir Churchill famously said, "That is nonsense up with which I shall not put."
2005-08-22 10:47:39
94.   Monterey Chris
I use CBS Sportsline instead of Gameday...I have found it to be more accurate.
2005-08-22 10:48:37
95.   Bob Timmermann
Everything I need to know about calendars I've learned from watching "Jeopardy!" and listening to the one hit by Zager and Evans.
2005-08-22 10:49:37
96.   Humma Kavula
92 -- Sorry, that argument fails, too. The phrase is "put up with": only someone trying to be funny would split it up.

Everybody else would say "I shall not put up with this nonsense."

People think 2000 marks the beginning of the 20th Century because it's a Big Round Number.

2005-08-22 10:51:05
97.   Kayaker7
91 Yeah, you are right about the difference between an odometer and calendar. I was confused. I agree with Bob now. ;-) I've tried so many times to convince my friends that 2000 is NOT the start of the 21st century, that it looks like they convinced me instead.
2005-08-22 10:52:32
98.   Kayaker7
96 "People think 2000 marks the beginning of the 20th Century because it's a Big Round Number."

You mean 21st, right?

2005-08-22 10:53:03
99.   JeffinTokyo
96. Humma. Actually, Sir Winston WAS trying to be funny.
2005-08-22 10:54:06
100.   Marty
80, 98. That arument might work if we started with the year 0. Unfortunately, we started with the year 1.
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2005-08-22 10:54:52
101.   Bob Timmermann
Before anybody gets worked up over the 2000/21st century thing, I will say that my stance is based on my desire to be contrary and pedantic on an unimportant matter.

I was just upset that the only "000" year in my lifetime was a leap year. Stupid Gregorian calendar adjustment!

2005-08-22 10:54:59
102.   Marty
98. Sorry, I hadn't read post 97 yet.
2005-08-22 10:55:42
103.   Eric Stephen
Mark me down as part of the crowd that KNOWS the 21st century started in 2001.

I've also done the SI free-issues, free MLB Audio move in year's past. But, this year I signed up at the beginning of the year and paid the $15 (the SI offer wasn't yet available). I've found the $15 to be well worth it.

2005-08-22 10:56:00
104.   Marty
Is anybody watching the game on TV? How does Jackson look?
2005-08-22 10:57:45
105.   Humma Kavula
99 - I know. Of course he was. I just hate that example of why the grammar rule encouraging writers not to end sentences with prepositions is silly.

The rule may or may not be silly, but that example isn't why.

2005-08-22 10:58:28
106.   Humma Kavula
98- Yes, 21st. Typo.
2005-08-22 10:58:40
107.   Rob M
Jackson looks very good. He was nervous and wild in the 1st inning, but since then he's throwing strikes, with a nice little slider and a fastball in the high 90's.
2005-08-22 10:58:55
108.   JeffinTokyo
I am listening to the Marlins announcer. On the fly ball to center, I could have sworn he called Repko, "Petco."

We can quickly solve the 21st Century argument, by saying this is the Dodger team of the 00's.

2005-08-22 10:59:42
109.   Rob M
Well, he just walked Easley ahead of Cabrera. He's tends to nibble too much after getting ahead in the count.
2005-08-22 10:59:48
110.   Bob Timmermann
Jackson seems to be very afraid of Damion Easley.

Maybe he stole his lunch money once.

2005-08-22 11:00:54
111.   alex 7
If allowed, I would let Damion Easley hit off a tee during his at bat. What's the worst that can happen?
2005-08-22 11:01:26
112.   JeffinTokyo
108. Replace "solve" with "avoid."
2005-08-22 11:03:34
113.   Rob M
Jackson looks to have one of those "heavy" fasballs when he's throwing right. It looks like it darts around downward in the zone. With command, he'll be everything he's advertised to be.
2005-08-22 11:07:25
114.   Rob M
The Killer Tomatoe is unbelievably slow around the bases.
2005-08-22 11:08:07
115.   Marty
I hope Kent chews Saenz out for not scoring from first. Wait, it's Old Maid I'm talking about. Nevermind
2005-08-22 11:09:20
116.   Kayaker7
114 Slower than Phillips?
2005-08-22 11:09:32
117.   JeffinTokyo
Great, worst case, we get the speedy, patient Cesar leading off next inning!
2005-08-22 11:09:52
118.   Rob M
Massive cut from Edwin. He's going for the Salami.
2005-08-22 11:09:57
119.   Kayaker7
Good time for Jackson's first MLB hit.

or walk.

2005-08-22 11:12:56
120.   Rob M

That run from 1st to 3rd on the Cruz double was in super slo-mo. Cabrera had a long run to the ball, way over in the corner. As he was approaching the ball, they cut to Old Maid and he was JUST rounding 2nd. I don't know what happened.

2005-08-22 11:14:06
121.   Rob M
Edwin's fastball is nasty. It really moves around.
2005-08-22 11:14:16
122.   Marty
So is LoDuca resting his hammy or his heart and soul?
2005-08-22 11:14:59
123.   Rob M
Perez just got himself benched for the rest of the season. Losing a ball in the midday sun is NOT scrappy.
2005-08-22 11:16:41
124.   GoBears
Ugh. Tracy will never start Antonio at 3rd again. Ever.
2005-08-22 11:17:17
125.   Kayaker7
120 Did he think the ball was going to be caught?
2005-08-22 11:17:33
126.   Marty
Speaking of LoDuca. Tracy sure seems to be pining for Paulie. He paid him a nice comment in today's paper.
2005-08-22 11:18:57
127.   Uncle Miltie
That was not a baseball savvy play by Perez
2005-08-22 11:19:26
128.   Rob M
Nice 12-6 curveball from Edwin. He seems to have more control of that pitch than his fastball.
2005-08-22 11:19:52
129.   Marty
Substitute compliment for comment in 126.
2005-08-22 11:26:22
130.   Kayaker7
What did AP do? I didn't see an error in the box score.
2005-08-22 11:27:56
131.   Bob Timmermann
Perez lost a foul pop from Delgado in the sun. He didn't get charged with an error.
2005-08-22 11:28:09
132.   Brad Bogner
He lost a ball in the sun in foul territory, and the next pitch Delgado hit for a single.
2005-08-22 11:29:51
133.   alex 7
re:120, 125 There were two outs I believe. Should have been running on contact.
2005-08-22 11:31:00
134.   alex 7
and that should solidify him as our leadoff hitter for the rest of the season :(
2005-08-22 11:31:52
135.   JeffinTokyo
117. JeffinTokyo. quoting myself, "Great, worst case, we get the speedy, patient Cesar leading off next inning!" I just removed my tongue from my cheek.
2005-08-22 11:31:56
136.   Gen3Blue
With DW pitching, that foul that dropped could be the game. What do you think, was it an act of god or would an experienced infielder be expected to get it.
2005-08-22 11:32:20
137.   Rob M
I must have jinxed Edwin - he hung that curve to Gonzalez.
2005-08-22 11:33:34
138.   Bob Timmermann
I'm sure Saenz was running on contact. That just doesn't help him all that much.
2005-08-22 11:36:40
139.   alex 7
Just when we thought there was hope with the skipper.
2005-08-22 11:37:38
140.   db1022
did Repko try to bunt before he struck out with 2 on, and no out?
2005-08-22 11:38:48
141.   Gen3Blue
Bradley is out?
2005-08-22 11:40:30
142.   Bob Timmermann
Repko fouled off a bunt before he struck out.
2005-08-22 11:42:05
143.   alex 7

can one boo on a game chat?

2005-08-22 11:42:09
144.   Midwest Blue
Anyone see how far that Kent fly was? Looked like it was close to being out on Gameday.
2005-08-22 11:43:14
145.   JeffinTokyo
"141. Gen3Blue
Bradley is out? "

After grounding into a DP in the 1st, he took the rest of the day off to get in touch of his inner self.

Or, if you want to go with the official story, he hurt his patellar tendon when he landed funny at first base.

2005-08-22 11:43:32
146.   fanerman
How has Sir Edwin looked?
2005-08-22 11:44:57
147.   JeffinTokyo
actually, I think the bunt was the right call with Repko. I would have given him two chances to get it down instead of the one he received.
2005-08-22 11:44:57
148.   Sam DC
76 If I remember correctly, last year we had the even more dramatic simple statement that the ball was "in play" and then the long, long wait until the complete text description came through.
2005-08-22 11:45:25
149.   alex 7
bring out the tee dangit!!!
2005-08-22 11:45:53
150.   Bob Timmermann
You can boo in game chat, but it won't do much good.

But we can wonder why Edwin Jackson has walked Damion Easley three times!

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2005-08-22 11:46:14
151.   Midwest Blue
EJ is having trouble finding the stike zone. Oh-oh.
2005-08-22 11:46:24
152.   JeffinTokyo
I get the impression that Angel is not a pitcher's umpire. The Marlins announcers have been B'ing and Moaning a lot tonight.
2005-08-22 11:47:09
153.   alex 7
Jeff, they would have walked Kent though to bring up Saenz the DP. It's not like with Repko's speed you worry about a double play much.
2005-08-22 11:47:44
154.   Bob Timmermann
You know you can pick the Dodgers broadcast if you want.

But since it would be Rick Monday and Al Downing, I would stick with Dave Van Horne and his sidekick.

2005-08-22 11:49:34
155.   JeffinTokyo
Alex, If so, I would like my chances with Old Maid with the bases loaded and 1 out.
2005-08-22 11:49:51
156.   oldbear
EJ is at 101 pitches and is STILL in there to face Delgado..
2005-08-22 11:51:24
157.   scareduck
151 - you just now noticed this? He's been barely throwing more than half of his pitches for strikes all game.
2005-08-22 11:51:54
158.   JeffinTokyo
154 Bob I am purposely avoiding Mo and Al. What I meant about the Marlins announcers is that they were complaining about Angel's strike zone, and to be fair they were conceding that he was pinching Edwin too.
2005-08-22 11:52:12
159.   Jim Tracy
Speaking of Tracy's compliment about Lo Duca,

He competed very well, Dodger Manager Jim Tracy said of Vargas, a native of Apple Valley who played at Long Beach State. "He threw strikes. He had a catcher behind the plate [Paul Lo Duca] I've seen more than once take a young pitcher and do good things with him."

How many young pitchers has LoDuca done good things with??? I remember Odalis Perez' season a couple of years ago which would qualify, but other than that nothing rings a bell. Am I forgetting any of LoDuca's good deeds with young pitchers??

2005-08-22 11:52:20
160.   db1022
147 - Yes, yes, yes! Repko should be bunting right there.

Maybe Tracy needed to be reminded that Repko was only subbing for the #3 hitter.

2005-08-22 11:53:11
161.   alex 7
true Jeff, that isn't the worst possible thing, but I dont like that at the expense of giving up an our with Repko and an at bat with Kent. But oh well, someone mentioned how the Dodgers shouldn't be doing much bunting if for no other reason than they stink at it.
2005-08-22 11:54:19
162.   Midwest Blue
157 Sorry, yes, I just noticed. Committing the sin of actually doing more work and only occasionally dropping in for the 'cast. Forgive me, I will re-prioritize.
2005-08-22 11:54:23
163.   Bob Timmermann
But this isn't a save situation! Brazoban is doomed!
2005-08-22 11:54:30
164.   db1022
161 - You'd have the pitcher bunt right there, though.

I consider Repko only a slight upgrade from a pitcher.

2005-08-22 11:54:56
165.   ddger
Repko is our best bunter but his failed bunt attempt probably cost us at least one run in that inning.
2005-08-22 11:55:25
166.   Jim Tracy
We do not need to see Brazoban here. Doom!!
2005-08-22 11:56:18
167.   db1022
Brazoban is our "long man" now?

Shouldn't this be Dessens time?

2005-08-22 11:56:21
168.   Jim Tracy
Was the the longest sub-5 inning performance by a Dodger pitcher this year (in terms of pitches thrown)?

Sure felt that way!!

2005-08-22 11:57:25
169.   ddger
I was hoping for a QS from Jackson today. We'll need him if O Perez is going to be out for while.
2005-08-22 11:57:59
170.   alex 7
maybe LoDuca caught Jackson's game vs 'Zona? That's a funny quote. I can't think of any other young pitchers we've had.
2005-08-22 11:58:11
171.   ddger
167. I think Dessens and Carrara are our setup and LOOGY for now.
2005-08-22 11:59:18
172.   db1022
It's officially "Revenge of the Demoted Closers" now.

Alfonseca vs. Brazoban. Don't play with matches around these two.

2005-08-22 12:00:12
173.   oldbear
EJ not so quality today. 4.2 5h 5bb 3ER 3K's.

Worst thing is he threw 107 pitches. Way too many.

2005-08-22 12:00:12
174.   fanerman
How long is OP gonna be out? Will Edwin stay for another start or 2?
2005-08-22 12:02:48
175.   ddger
174. From

Dodgers placed LHP Odalis Perez on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Thursday, with a strained right oblique muscle. It looks like Edwin Jackson might be needed to make two or more starts. Perez won't be eligible to return until Sept. 2.

2005-08-22 12:03:14
176.   alex 7
maybe Tracy's a genius and I can't figure him out, but why not leave Braz out there one more inning instead of wasting Dessens for only one inning with the pitcher's spot due up?
2005-08-22 12:04:10
177.   fanerman
Nice to see Saenz can still bend down.
2005-08-22 12:06:11
178.   JeffinTokyo
176. alex 7 said:
"maybe Tracy's a genius and I can't figure him out"

Heck no, and join the ever growing club.

2005-08-22 12:06:11
179.   ddger
176. It does seem little strange that Tracy will waste Braz with only one batter when we might need lot of relief pitching today. But I'm not surprised with Tracy's logic anymore this season.
2005-08-22 12:07:22
180.   fanerman
Maybe Tracy didn't want Braz to pitch too much because he pitched an inning yesterday.
2005-08-22 12:08:07
181.   db1022
176 - He did execute the double-switch there, but he wouldn't have needed to if Braz would've gone out there one more inning.

Tracy just wanted to show off by proving he knows how to double-switch.

2005-08-22 12:08:07
182.   GoBears
Won't waste Dessens. Double switch. Cruz Jr came out, and Valentin will bat 9th and play LF (Werth moved to RF).
2005-08-22 12:09:32
183.   alex 7
maybe fanerman, but then why not bring in Dessens instead of Braz in the first place? Just don't like that Dessens will be pinch hit for after just one inning or that he'll lead off.
2005-08-22 12:10:02
184.   Midwest Blue
176 It was "smokejumper" type of use of Braz. I think he planned on using an EJ-Dessens combo all along. Dessens for 6-7, Schmoll for 8 and Duaner for 9.
2005-08-22 12:10:02
185.   ddger
Tracy probably felt he got lucky with Braz for one out and didn't want to take a chance or Braz wasn't feeling up to pitching anymore today (he did pitch 1 inning yesterday).
2005-08-22 12:10:17
186.   db1022
182 - But he did waste Cruz Jr and Valentin by double switching there.
2005-08-22 12:10:32
187.   alex 7
thanks gobears, didn't notice that
2005-08-22 12:10:53
188.   JeffinTokyo
182. GoBears: he still wasted Braz (and Cruz)
2005-08-22 12:12:05
189.   ddger
This is like Tracy PH for someone with Perez and then calling Ledee to PH for Perez. We could end up using Weaver as PH today.
2005-08-22 12:12:11
190.   db1022
172 - The theme continues...
2005-08-22 12:13:09
191.   Midwest Blue
188 Depends on whether you think Braz is up to it. I don't. I think it was the right use of Braz. I would have put Choi in at he 9th spot, though :)
2005-08-22 12:13:22
192.   alex 7
wait, I'm just now figuring it out. Valentin went in for "I can hit now!" Cruz? yuck.
2005-08-22 12:13:49
193.   JeffinTokyo
Tough strike out, but Valentin is still a great clubhouse presence. I just wish he would spend more time in there.
2005-08-22 12:14:22
194.   ddger
Cruz was having a good day for a change. I guess Tracy felt that there were no more hits from Cruz today.
2005-08-22 12:15:01
195.   Midwest Blue
This would really hurt if we lose this 3-2. Willis was very vulnerable today.
2005-08-22 12:15:23
196.   ddger
Valentin is almost as useless as Erickson now.
2005-08-22 12:17:50
197.   alex 7
regardless of all the substitutions and battle of former quality relievers, the game will come down to a Choi pinch-hit appearance either in the 8th or 9th.
2005-08-22 12:18:35
198.   JeffinTokyo
196. ddgr For me, the question is, who is more damaging? Since Scotty is throwing his gopher balls in the Nevada desert, Joe Valentine "wins" by default.
2005-08-22 12:18:55
199.   GoBears
I think 181 had it right. If you're going to double-switch, then replacing the guy who made the last out (Cruz) was the right way to do it. I can't fault him for the way he used Brazoban. Haven't we been asking for a smokejumper? That's what he did.
2005-08-22 12:21:21
200.   everett
i'd like to request another smoke jumper please...
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2005-08-22 12:21:37
201.   ddger
Is Carrara warming up?
2005-08-22 12:22:13
202.   alex 7
yeah gobears, I didn't see the double switch, the move makes some sense now. Regardless, it might not matter now. Might be Gamelmer Over this inning.
2005-08-22 12:23:07
203.   db1022
Easley 1 for 1, with 3 walks in front of Cabrera and Delgado is unacceptable.
2005-08-22 12:24:05
204.   ddger
did repko misjudge that ball again?
2005-08-22 12:26:09
205.   db1022
204 - omg, did Repko screw up another play in the outfield??? This guy has to be the worst "professional defender" outfielder I've ever seen.
2005-08-22 12:26:11
206.   ddger
how long will Tracy go with Dessens? if Tracy waits any longer this game might be out of reach.
2005-08-22 12:26:16
207.   JeffinTokyo
And I stayed up past 4am (Japan time) for this? Stick a fork in me, I'm done.
2005-08-22 12:27:30
208.   DaveP
someone please Repko know it's ok to stay on his feet to field a ball. While they're at it, please pass on that roller skates are not part of the official uniform.
2005-08-22 12:28:07
209.   Bob Timmermann
Broxton is warming up, not Carrara.
2005-08-22 12:29:28
210.   Bob Timmermann
Double-barreled action in the pen now! Carrara AND Broxton!
2005-08-22 12:29:52
211.   ddger
Broxton should come in only against middle of the order.
2005-08-22 12:30:02
212.   Midwest Blue
197 Amendment to your proposal: Two-run HR by Kent in the 8th, one-run PH homerun by Choi in 9th.
2005-08-22 12:30:19
213.   ddger
Carrara will come in to face LH batter.
2005-08-22 12:31:25
214.   ddger
212. Don't forget that we have Phillips available to PH with RISP.
2005-08-22 12:32:50
215.   db1022
208 Yes, can we now put to rest any references to Repko being a superior OFer?
2005-08-22 12:34:07
216.   ddger
If Repko is no longer a great defensive outfielder and can't bunt then what's his role? pinch runner?
2005-08-22 12:35:21
217.   Bob Timmermann
And Alex Gonzalez gets an early shower.
2005-08-22 12:35:28
218.   GoBears
Nice job by Dessens to limit the damage. Started the inning badly, tho.

Hey, silver lining time: maybe the 2-run deficit will reduce the probability that Tracy bunts the team out of a big inning.

Grasping at straws here.

2005-08-22 12:36:37
219.   Bob Timmermann
Either the Marlins will have to play the gimpy Castillo at second and move Easley to short or Cabrera will go play third and Lowell will try his hand at shortstop.
2005-08-22 12:37:27
220.   Marty
It's freakin hot in Miami. I'm sure Gonzales could use an early shower.
2005-08-22 12:38:47
221.   Marty
In Repko's Gameday picture, his beard looks like a batman logo.
2005-08-22 12:39:30
222.   Bob Timmermann
A 2-run HR by Kent would necessitate Repko getting on base.
2005-08-22 12:40:06
223.   Marty
Can't filed, can't hit, can run a little. Jason Repko is the Fred Astaire of baseball.
2005-08-22 12:40:12
224.   Sam DC
Huh, what happened to Easley? Did he exceed his getting-on-base quota for the day?
2005-08-22 12:41:55
225.   ddger
223. Don't forget Repko's scrappy and savvy. I'm not sure about savvy anymore for Repko.
2005-08-22 12:44:26
226.   Icaros
Don't forget Repko's scrappy and savvy.

To make things easier, let's combine those two words into one: sucky.

2005-08-22 12:44:51
227.   Bob Timmermann
I should just follow Gameday since it's several seconds ahead of the Audio.

Werth, a pinch hitter (likely Choi), and Navarro in the 9th!

Woo hoo!

2005-08-22 12:45:35
228.   ddger
We're running out innings, games, and weeks.

"As long as we are ONLY 5 games back with 5 weeks we are okay?"

2005-08-22 12:45:52
229.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Repko > Cody Ross or Chin-Feng Chen

That's about it.

2005-08-22 12:47:32
230.   Marty
Can Gio have another good outing in him? I kinda doubt it.
2005-08-22 12:49:04
231.   Marty
Looks like Gio was determined to hit him based on the gameday pitch locations.
2005-08-22 12:49:08
232.   ddger
Gio has 5 scoreless appearances in a row. Has his luck run out?
2005-08-22 12:52:27
233.   Marty
Is Colburn making the mound visits, or is his knee still the size of a watermelon?
2005-08-22 12:52:46
234.   Sam DC
Dodger home record: 29-30
When Jon attended: 3-5
When Jon didn't: 26-25

Dodger road record: 24-34
When Jon attended: 1-0
When Jon didn't: 23-34

Has it occurred to anyone that we need to keep Jon away from Dodger Stadium and send him (and I guess the family too . . .) out of town for a series or two?

2005-08-22 12:53:41
235.   Icaros
Jason Repko > Cody Ross or Chin-Feng Chen

That may be true, but Repko has been given twice the opportunity as those two players combined.

2005-08-22 12:54:17
236.   Kayaker7
234 Small sample size. ;-)
2005-08-22 12:55:34
237.   Bob Timmermann
I'll be at Dodger Stadium Wednesday.

The Dodgers are 2-6 when I go.

Let's see:
Beat the Giants
Lost to Dbacks
Lost to Nats
Lost to Cubs
Lost to Angels
Lost to Twins
Lost to Brewers
Beat the Giants

2005-08-22 12:56:31
238.   everett
i miss eric gagne.
2005-08-22 12:56:40
239.   db1022
237 - The "bread" makes the "meat" worthwile in your Dodger Stadium sandwich there, Bob.
2005-08-22 12:56:44
240.   Bob Timmermann
I didn't want to see any more chances from Cody Ross.

Chen has had a few chances in several seasons and he's been found wanting.

2005-08-22 12:56:45
241.   Marty
I hope we are playing the Giants Wednesday Bob.
2005-08-22 12:56:52
242.   Midwest Blue
232 I think the answer is obvious.
2005-08-22 12:57:37
243.   Sam DC
I'm 2-1. Beat the Phillies. Beat the Nationals. Lost to the Nationals. And that puts a lid on my season, I expect. Unless, you know, they get out here for the playoffs.
2005-08-22 12:57:51
244.   alex 7
dp here or else Cabrera deposits an 88 mph fastball about 420 feet somewhere.
2005-08-22 12:58:00
245.   db1022
Mota - 2 IP, 5 K's. We need someone like him.
2005-08-22 12:59:26
246.   Marty
2 HBP and a wild pitch for Gio. He's the man!
2005-08-22 13:00:01
247.   alex 7
oh geez, gameday just showed Easley getting plunked. way behind so I'll just sit quietly, wait, and read about our loss from you guys.
2005-08-22 13:00:02
248.   Sam DC
Easley? I thought that guy was out of . . . oh, never mind. Well, I hope his run quota has expired in any event.
2005-08-22 13:01:08
249.   alex 7
although I must ask, is there any other pitcher on our staff that Tracy would leave in after a:

wild pitch
and a hit by pitch?

he loves gio.

2005-08-22 13:01:30
250.   Marty
ok, what happened. Easley beat the throw to second?
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2005-08-22 13:02:14
251.   GoBears
On TV, Lyons mentioned after Gio's first pitch of the inning that he landed funny, and that that would make his pitches sail. Then, sure enough, Gio start sailing pitch after pitch. His left ankle. He's not right today.
2005-08-22 13:02:29
252.   Icaros
240 At this point, I'd rather see you get a chance over Repko, Bob.
2005-08-22 13:02:33
253.   King of the Hobos
Carrara looks terrible...and possibly injured. We could be adding some more names to the DL. Perez has to make the error, especially on a DP, geez. Choi won't be able to tie it now...

Phillips isn't playing, so we'll win, right?

2005-08-22 13:02:34
254.   db1022
249 - And it's not like it's the bottom of the order coming up too.

Where's Schmoll? Isn't he supposed to be our best reliever (non-Duaner category)?

2005-08-22 13:02:45
255.   ddger
Tracy has given up on this game.
2005-08-22 13:04:56
256.   db1022
Great, so a one-legged 37 year old junk baller is our best option against Cabrera and Delgado?

Broxton? Schmoll?

2005-08-22 13:05:14
257.   GoBears
Steiner said that Schmoll is not available. Overworked lately? I missed the weekend games.

Phew, finally out of it. 3 runs against Jones is a tall order.

2005-08-22 13:05:59
258.   Marty
Nice, efficient 30-pitch inning for Gio.
2005-08-22 13:06:17
259.   db1022
What did happen on the Cabrera play?

Bases loaded grounder to third, and the only play is at first?

2005-08-22 13:06:42
260.   King of the Hobos
254 Steiner said he's not available

I turned on the radio on my way home to hear Rpko, Kent, Saenz due up in the 8th. I started to fear something happened to Bradley... Anyone have any prognosis based on the replays? Has an announcer said something? We don't need more injuries, things are not looking up, especially for my state of denial

2005-08-22 13:06:45
261.   kent
That was AP's third costly miscue today (even tho only one formally counts as an error). I love his bat, but this does show why JT is so reluctant to play him. Defense does matter even if it is harder to quantify.
2005-08-22 13:07:42
262.   Kayaker7
261 What did he do now?
2005-08-22 13:07:56
263.   King of the Hobos
259 Perez booted the ball which was recovered by Izzy

257 Any other season, and you wouldn't say that

2005-08-22 13:08:35
264.   Midwest Blue
258 LOL. He laughs. He cries.
2005-08-22 13:09:02
265.   Tokyo
Perez's defense is horrible. I hope its just because he's playing out of position at 3B, and hope he'll be significantly better at 2B.
2005-08-22 13:09:18
266.   Kayaker7
2005-08-22 13:09:51
267.   kent
262- He dropped a foul pop up earlier and has since bobbled two potential double play balls that resulted in single outs.
2005-08-22 13:11:05
268.   King of the Hobos
Ledee on deck, where's Choi?
2005-08-22 13:11:10
269.   Marty
Robles must have dinked it into left judging by the gameday placement
2005-08-22 13:11:22
270.   Midwest Blue
di-owner gets on and Choi ties it with a 3-run homer. I WILL make it happen (must concentrate).
2005-08-22 13:13:15
271.   alex 7
I give up today.
2005-08-22 13:13:43
272.   capdodger
267- It wasn't dropped, it was lost in the Mid-August FL sun. He had the glasses down and was shading with the glove. Anybody could have muffed that one. It was just that hard of a play.

The two bobbles were bad though.

2005-08-22 13:13:51
273.   capdodger
267- It wasn't dropped, it was lost in the Mid-August FL sun. He had the glasses down and was shading with the glove. Anybody could have muffed that one. It was just that hard of a play.

The two bobbles were bad though.

2005-08-22 13:14:57
274.   Kayaker7
Game over.
2005-08-22 13:15:13
275.   Midwest Blue powers...slipping...away...
Falling...into the abyss...of acceptance...
2005-08-22 13:15:14
276.   db1022
267 - The numbers simply don't support that, bad game and all. His offensive production more than makes up for it anyway.

2005-08-22 13:15:20
277.   GoBears
267 Perez didn't drop a foul pop up. He lost it in the sun - never saw it, wasn't close to it. Sorry - I can't call that bad defense. That's just bad luck. Lots of players lose popups in the sun. Rememeber when best-fldg-percentage-EVER Mike Lowell took a sun popup off the face earlier in the season?

On the first "booted ball," he fielded it cleanly, just took a sec to get the ball out of his glove. Who knows if they'd have gotten the DP.

Only on the last one did he boot anything.

2005-08-22 13:15:37
278.   King of the Hobos
I missed most of the game and I expected a bad outcome, but some things are confusing me. Cruz looked like our most effective hitter today, why did Valentin replace him?!?! Where was Choi? Was he suppose to whack a slam off Jones in Perez's spot? I could care less if Jackson was hit hard, but the wildness is what killed him last season, not a good thing to see that back.
2005-08-22 13:17:29
279.   db1022
278 - Cruz was replaced in a somewhat-controversial double switch when Braz replaced Edwin.

Choi was in his usual spot.

Apparently Jackson was throwing in the high-90s with good movement (too good?).

2005-08-22 13:18:05
280.   Mark
Say it with me, folks.


2005-08-22 13:19:58
281.   GoBears
Actually, EJ wasn't as wild as his stats make him look. He AND Dontrelle were getting squeezed by the home plate ump. Then, inexplicably, the ump starts calling high strikes late in the game (maybe he got hot and wanted to go home). That change is why Gonzales got thrown out arguing. He struck out on a pitch that was a ball in innings 1-5.
2005-08-22 13:20:56
282.   db1022
The Padres have the 2nd worst record in baseball since June 1 (and that's with them going 10-8 in August!).

I'm not giving up until we are eliminated in this wretched division.

2005-08-22 13:21:27
283.   oldbear
6 back in the loss column with Pettite/Clemons/Oswalt next weekend.

I think our season is done.

2005-08-22 13:22:30
284.   Kayaker7
283 Don't worry, Clemens will be suspended for steroids. ;-)
2005-08-22 13:23:16
285.   capdodger
The last "boot" by AP never should have happened because it was clear something was off with Gio. I think I'll pin that one on the Jims.
2005-08-22 13:25:12
286.   Yakface
AP's horrible defense was directly related to 3 runs scored. I guess defense does have an affect on the game.
2005-08-22 13:25:57
287.   King of the Hobos
279, 281 Thanks. I'll try to catch Edwin on a replay later. He'll get Houston next time out, which is not very threatening, save for the middle of the order. However, he's facing Oswalt. That should be fun
2005-08-22 13:26:55
288.   Steelyeri

Well, we have 3 games vs. colorado first. and the Pads start a series against Houston today. I'm still hoding out some hope. I can't give up on the season yet. Not with the pads playing about as horrible as we have.

2005-08-22 13:27:22
289.   Bob Timmermann
6 back in the loss column with Pettite/Clemons/Oswalt next weekend.

If it's Clarence Clemons on the hill, I'm betting on the Dodgers.

2005-08-22 13:28:24
290.   Steelyeri
Yeah, clemons didn't look too good in his last outing.
2005-08-22 13:28:24
291.   GoBears
286. Yakface - did you watch the game? I just explained that AP's "horrible defense" came down to one play - and they did get an out there. No, he's not Mike Schmidt, but I'll take him as a mediocre defender and good bat until one of the kids comes up and takes the job away.
2005-08-22 13:29:14
292.   alex 7
I just can't see us running of anything like a 4 out of 5 win streak with as many different lineups as Tracy throws out there and our lack of pen. No consistency.
2005-08-22 13:29:36
293.   HomeDePo
scream your hand if you cannot stand jose valentin or jayson werth... wow i think LA got a lot nosier
2005-08-22 13:32:32
294.   oldbear
293. Valentin I'm not quite sure why he's still on the team. Same goes for Repko.
2005-08-22 13:36:07
295.   Yakface
291- Yes I did watch the game and was shown that he is in fact like I've been saying a Ball Bobbler, he did it his last start too, He consistently bobbles the ball, it is costly and he should'nt be played till after the 6th inning as a late inning bat.
2005-08-22 13:40:01
296.   oldbear
295. You got it backwards. If he's error prone but has a good bat, shouldnt he played at the beginning of the game so the team get the lead? Then be taken out for defensive purposes.

I can handle AP bobbling balls if he hits .325. We've been going with the all defense/speed/scrap lineup and were 6 games out.

What do we have to lose by playing the best offensive lineup?

2005-08-22 13:40:08
297.   Bob Timmermann
scream your hand

Can someone tell me how to make my hand scream? Is this some evolutionary thing that my family missed out on?

2005-08-22 13:41:55
298.   db1022
298 - I've been screaming "YOUR HAND" for the last 15 minutes.

Human Resources wants to talk to me now.

I'll be right back.

2005-08-22 13:42:42
299.   db1022
298 - Reference 297, not 298.
2005-08-22 13:42:44
300.   Yakface
296- Fine, you got me. But its just really hard to watch routine plays get botched because off BobbleHands Perez.
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2005-08-22 13:49:17
301.   King of the Hobos
299 You sure?
2005-08-22 13:51:10
302.   db1022
301 - I didn't want anyone to get caught in the infinite loop there. ;-)
2005-08-22 13:51:20
303.   Warren
294 Repko gets a bum rap. That guy has a cannon for an arm and can run. His bat will come around with more consistent ABs.

I'm much more interested in showing Odalis Perez the door. Why did we sign that guy again anyway? I see that he cleared waivers and suddenly went on the DL. Activate and trade that guy.

2005-08-22 13:55:15
304.   natepurcell
i couldnt watch the whole game, but should edwin start the next time this rotation spot comes up?
2005-08-22 13:59:16
305.   Yakface
304-I dont see why not, most of the balls were border line, and it was 105^F and honestly I'd rather see him on the mound than Peanut.
2005-08-22 14:00:10
306.   natepurcell
whos "peanut"?
2005-08-22 14:01:37
307.   Yakface
2005-08-22 14:03:07
308.   natepurcell

i just call him chipmunk.

2005-08-22 14:12:25
309.   Yakface
His nickname from back in his old hometown was peanut, so every time I've gone to a game that he's pitched at Im the guy yelling PEANUT. He hates it its great.
2005-08-22 14:16:23
310.   db1022
303 - He's known as a defensive specialist, but I've seen him repeatedly butcher balls in the OF.

Now, I was just arguing that APerez "looks" bad, but that it is misleading b/c his defensive stats show him being better. I don't know if this is the same situation - do Repko's defensive stats show him to be a superior OFer?

Still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't hown me anything offensively. At least with Perez you know that his bat will overcome his glove.

2005-08-22 14:18:31
311.   Xeifrank
Today was the first time the Dodgers lost with Jason Phillips not in the starting lineup in a long time. vr, Xei
2005-08-22 14:31:30
312.   Bob Timmermann
I would think the Dodgers have a fairly poor record overall when Perez starts because he missed most of the early part of the season and became a regular when the Dodgers were having bad months.

Which really doesn't prove much at all.

2005-08-22 14:33:12
313.   Uncle Miltie
Hey, at least oldbear can't blame the loss on Izturis. He did his job as a leadoff hitter today.
2005-08-22 14:44:17
314.   Yakface
312-I'm not saying that he's the worst pitcher we could send out there or that it's his fault he's getting knocked this year, I'm merely stating that he is in fact a Peanut.

Oh, and answer me this, How does it happen that as Peanut takes 3 days off to goto the Dominican and when he gets back he's hurt in a freak Bullpen high throwback? I think he hurt himself partying, Coincedence
? I think not!

2005-08-22 14:57:23
315.   Telemachos
I find it amusing that I'm actually defending Perez, since he's so frustratingly inconsistent.... but he doesn't "take 3 days off". If management didn't want him to, they wouldn't let him go.

I also doubt it was partying, since I've never seen or heard anything remotely along the lines of him being a party animal.

And frankly, what's the point of trumpeting this "Peanut" business instead of providing reasons for keeping him or getting rid of him? You say it's not his fault he's getting knocked? Why not?

He has, on occasion, been a stud pitcher. However, he also appears not to have a killer instinct and easily knocked off his mental game. I'd be fine if he was our fifth starter in a staff of stronger pitchers. He isn't, which makes his flaws all the more apparent.

So, Yakface, do you actively root against him when he pitches or are you merely frustrated that he's still on the team?

2005-08-22 15:05:09
316.   LAT
315 He has, on occasion, been a stud pitcher. However, he also appears not to have a killer instinct and easily knocked off his mental game.

Take your choice:

2005-08-22 15:06:43
317.   Yakface
First off He's a peanut, second I like that he's a dodger but I dont like his on field persona, when he's on the mound he projects the image of a baby( A peanut if you will) and you didnt even attempt an answer of my question about the timing of his injury, Honestly reaching up in the air wont put you on the DL, I used to skateboard and snowboard- getting beaten up by concrete and hard packed snow(Bruises the size of softballs) and still be able to go pitch in 98^ weather. He didnt hurt himself from a High catch he hurt himself in the dominican, it's as clear as day.
2005-08-22 15:14:09
318.   King of the Hobos
The timing of his "vacation" and the injury are suspicious, I'll admit that. However, I do not think he partied, or anything like that. Maybe this was known earlier and they wanted to test him against the Braves. Or maybe he tripped coming off the plane. Or maybe he fell down a fight of stairs carrying deer meat. Or maybe he's telling the truth, it's hard to say.
2005-08-22 15:17:09
319.   Yakface
Whether the reason he got is legit or despicable, it does not change the undeniable evidence that Odalis is in truth and actuality a Peanut, for better or worse...
2005-08-22 15:17:53
320.   Yakface
319- Got hurt. for some reason that part got deleted between the submit button and my post.
2005-08-22 15:21:50
321.   db1022
317 - I once hurt my back putting my socks on while standing up. I felt like I was going into labor.

I can certainly see how stretching high to catch a throw above your head can result in a muscle tweak (esp. when you're expecting it at your chest, and you have to adjust at the last minute). Plus, I think he was there on a family emergency, not to go clubbing.

And the Peanut stuff makes sense if its a nickname, but I think you're going overboard with it. Just a friendly criticism...

2005-08-22 15:28:25
322.   Bob Timmermann
Peanut needs more rigorous examination to see it can become an officially Dodger Thoughts sanctioned nickname for a player.

So far, I think Goggles for Phillips and Scrappy for Repko are the only two that have earned that seal. It's sort of like getting ISO 9000 certification.

2005-08-22 15:29:07
323.   Yakface
I dunno, he's a Professional athlete who no doubt stretches and does pregame warmups(even before the pen WarmUps) So a suprise grab high would'nt likely cause such a nasty sprain in his Obliques. And as for Peanut, do knock it till you tried it. Go ahead give it a whirl say it out loud while think Odalis, it's a keeper.
2005-08-22 15:30:02
324.   Jim Tracy
Dessperate Denial (on the edge of acceptance - one last stand)

Any rational person at this point would accept that the Dodgers chances of postseason are done for the year. With 38 games left, the Dodgers are 5.5 games behind San Diego, with Arizona also above us in the division. Baseball Prospectus gave the Dodgers a 6.74% chance of making the playoffs, and that was before today's loss. This week, we have home games against Roy Oswalt and Roger Clemens coming up, followed by a trip to the Cubs. All in all, by all logical counts, we could be 7-9 games behind in ten days from now. We need to go 25-13 in our remaining 38 games just to finish .500, which I don't even think will be enough to make the playoffs.

The brightside... well, we are behind San Diego and Arizona. Unless one of them wakes up and goes on a semi-tear (.500 ball), we have a chance to catch up to them. But, if either one of them can go slightly over .500 the rest of the way, well, we have an almost impossible task. Wait, this is the brightside... this is our schedule the rest of the way:

3 games v. Colorado
3 games v. Houston
3 games at Chicago
3 games at Colorado
3 games v. San Fransisco
3 games v. San Diego
3 games v. Colorado
4 games at San Francisco
3 games at Arizona
4 games v. Pittsburgh
3 games v. Arizona
3 games at San Diego

That is as light-weight a schedule as anyone can ask for. The Houston series is the toughest series we have left. The DBacks still has to play the Mets, Phillies and the Brewers. The Pads have to play the Astros, Brewers and the Nats. 16 of our 38 games left are against San Francisco and Colorado. We need to go 13-3 or something amazing like that in those games to have a decent shot at being above .500 before the end of the year. Definitely not impossible, but, nothing the Dodgers are showing so far has me believing (hard).

Beyond those series, we take 4 of 6 from the Dbacks and the Pads and I think we should be set for the playoffs. All that being said, it would be almost fatal if we do not sweep Colorado before the Houston and Chicago series after that. So, I could be in acceptance by Thursday, or we can see how long the denial lasts.

2005-08-22 15:33:13
325.   db1022
323 - Granted, I am not a professional athlete, but muscles get tweaked doing weird things all the time. Look at Milton's finger problem earlier this year. He swung a bat. I'm pretty sure his body is accustomed to that routine.
2005-08-22 15:38:39
326.   Yakface
It's mainly the timing of the injury and how he said he got it, it sounds like malarky.
2005-08-22 15:39:14
327.   Yakface
Oh and does anybody know the severity of Bradleys injury?
2005-08-22 15:40:41
328.   Jim Tracy
326 - I love orange malarky on toast.
2005-08-22 15:42:33
329.   Telemachos
323 I'm simply saying I'd like some rationale as to why you think he didn't injure himself the way he did. Other than the fact you don't like him, and don't think "professional" ballplayers suffer stupid (and/or freak) injuries, you don't have any.

What about Wunsch tripping out of the bullpen?
The dude who went on the DL because his eyeball got scraped by a nasty feather from his goose-down pillow? Pathetic as it is, I once tweaked my back flipping through a photo album. You can be lean and limber and fit and still suffer tweaks, twitches, and other oddities.

As to whether baseball players seem less able to play through injuries than other athletes, that's up for debate -- but Perez certainly isn't alone in that regard.

324 The only hope we have to win the division is to start playing consistent baseball. We haven't, and don't show any signs of starting to.... so I think we're toast.

Wouldn't it be hilarious, though, if J.D. Drew coming off the DL sparked an offence resurgence that made us win the division? Would that qualify him as the new Heart-and-Soul(tm) of the team?

2005-08-22 15:45:24
330.   Yakface
JD Drew heart and Soul of LA,

Muwahahaha its so crazy it just might work...

2005-08-22 15:46:43
331.   Yakface
329-My rationale is the timing, and I just dont believe a word the peanut says, since 2003 he's been all about himself.
2005-08-22 15:50:18
332.   Telemachos
331 But then again, you're hardly objective in this matter as well. ;)
2005-08-22 15:54:34
333.   Yakface
331-I have no evidence for my claims nor do I have much reasoning, but I do have a few good conspiracy theories that are border line Genius.
2005-08-22 16:04:13
334.   still bevens
Did anyone else catch the latimes article on Odalis being sent to the DL? At the end they mention that Broxton was sent back to Jacksonville and Osoria was called up from LV.
2005-08-22 16:07:36
335.   Yakface
334- Thats odd because I saw broxton warming up in the pen.
2005-08-22 16:09:35
336.   Bob Timmermann
Technically, that's an AP story on the Times website.

It's probably not a huge difference at this point.

2005-08-22 16:10:15
337.   Bob Timmermann
The move was made after the game.
2005-08-22 16:11:28
338.   Yakface
I just read that, you think Osasria actually gets some playing time this go around?
2005-08-22 16:16:03
339.   Telemachos
Given what's left of our season, I'd much rather see the young kids and what they have to offer, rather than another inning of Gio Carrara and/or Elmer Dessens.

However, I know that won't happen. My guess is that Osoria will get a couple of innings here and there, mostly in non-impact situations.

2005-08-22 16:16:33
340.   Yakface has a Poll that gives you the oppurtunity to vote on which managers will or will not be fired this off season.
2005-08-22 17:29:21
341.   Nagman
For all Gameday users, I thought this was pretty interesting at Hardball Times (my first tinyurl, I hope I did it right):

2005-08-22 17:38:25
342.   natepurcell
loney homers.
2005-08-22 17:53:13
343.   ddger
Thanks Nagman, that was a very informative article. I took Gameday info for granted and didn't realize how much work it was to get all that info on line. Wonder how the pay is for a stringer.
2005-08-22 17:54:41
344.   HomeDePo
340 - ya and only 56 percent of the people think JT will be fired! even worse, the voters think that it is the Front Offices fault that we suck so bad, instead of JTs managerial decisions and style!!! blasphemy, utter blasphemy
2005-08-22 18:03:17
345.   ddger
Nate, too bad Broxton is being sent down to Suns (good news for Suns though) after his best outing. This experience will be good for Broxton though. I don't know if Osoria will be that much better. I hope Broxton gets called up on Sept 1.
2005-08-22 18:15:25
346.   natepurcell
i know the reason depo sent broxton down....

the suns need broxton to close the door when the suns win the southern league championship. duh.

2005-08-22 18:16:18
347.   natepurcell
think about it, perez, kuo, broxton and miller in the bullpen.. thats the best bullpen in the minors.
2005-08-22 18:19:30
348.   ddger
is miller ready to start?
2005-08-22 18:26:00
349.   natepurcell
is miller ready to start?

he could start, but he would probably go 4 innings max. i like what they are doing with him now. i would let him start in the AFL on strict pitch counts, and next year, have him maintain a full starting role.

2005-08-22 18:28:00
350.   ddger
Is it unrealistic to expect us to sweep Colorado the next 3 days? If we do, then I can stay in denial for few more days.
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2005-08-22 18:29:19
351.   natepurcell
old friend ben diggins is pitching against the VB dodgers today.
2005-08-22 18:31:15
352.   Bob Timmermann
I've applied to be a Gameday stringer a few times, but never gotten an interview. :-(

Of course the last time I applied, I entered my resume all wrong on, so they likely rejected me on spec.

2005-08-22 18:31:19
353.   ddger
Will Depo bring up Kuo or Miller next month if they both continue to pitch well at AA?
2005-08-22 18:32:00
354.   natepurcell
man what a waste he was- 2.2 mil bonus down the drain.
2005-08-22 18:32:49
355.   natepurcell
maybe kuo, i would be shocked if he brought up miller.
2005-08-22 18:36:35
356.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Michaels is starting in center tonight for the Phillies in San Francisco.

I thought he was just a first baseman.

2005-08-22 18:37:41
357.   ddger
Nate, B Perez and L Gonzalez's stats look pretty good at AA but are they considered top prospects. How's their progress and potential.
2005-08-22 18:46:25
358.   Sam DC
352 shame, shame on them.
2005-08-22 18:46:51
359.   Bob Timmermann
Diamondbacks are already down 2-0 in the first.

Padres and Giants not yet underway.

2005-08-22 18:46:53
360.   natepurcell
im not a gonzalez fan, because he walks too many bbs and his stuff isnt that good.

but beltran perez i like. hes a pitcher we got in the green deal and before he was injured, he was considered one of az's top pitching prospects couple years ago.

he is 23 now and seems to have found his niche in the bullpen and is doing well. i like his stuff a lot. good heavy clement like fastball with great movement and good velocity and a good slider.

2005-08-22 19:00:46
361.   ddger
If SD wins today, we'll be 6 games down with 40 games to go. One game a week is running out of time.
2005-08-22 19:02:01
362.   Yakface
depo has 2 days to make a deal with Hochever, Place your bets.
2005-08-22 19:03:46
363.   ddger
i thought Hochever hasn't registered for his classes yet. if he doesn't attend classes doesn't that give the dodgers more time.
2005-08-22 19:06:55
364.   natepurcell
yea, if hoch doesnt attend class, we have til one week of next years draft.

and depo isnt doing the contract talks with boras/hoch, its logan white.

2005-08-22 19:09:03
365.   Bob Timmermann
The lead in to the Giants game is about the game in 1997 when the Giants beat the Dodgers 6-5 in 12 innings late in September on a Brian Johnson home run.

That game was far more depressing than anything I've seen this year.

I still remember the Dodgers getting consecutive singles from Piazza, Karros, and Mondesi with nobody out and not scoring a run.

2005-08-22 19:25:15
366.   Bob Timmermann

Thanks for the support Sam. I think I am fated not to have that job.

My scorekeeping skills get used by the Daily News covering high school football games. That's an even more picayune form of scorekeeping.

2005-08-22 19:31:54
367.   HomeDePo
give me an A! double-C! E! P! T! A! N! C! E! WHats that spell? ACCEPTANCE!
2005-08-22 19:40:25
368.   bokonon42
I picked up the Baseball America with the Suns cover story. Meh. Between the posts of Nate Purcell, Fearing Blue, and King of the Hobos, comment thread readers here already know everything in the article. Steve would enjoy this: "But with Cesar Izturis, just 25, blossoming into this generation's best defensive shortstop in the majors, [JtD] Guzman's move is probably just a matter of time."

I was glad to have the pictures, though. JtD looks big and beefy. Kuo looks hard core; I'm glad I'm not his UCL. Actually, is the re-assigned tendon in a TJ surgery properly called a ligament? Honorary ligament? Is Kuo the one with a cadaver tendon? Billingsly is a pretty boy. Martin looks like a snow-mobile enthusiast.

2005-08-22 19:54:01
369.   Fearing Blue
Padres leading the Astros 2 - 0 after 3 innings.
2005-08-22 19:55:19
370.   Bob Timmermann
Roy Oswalt doesn't look like a particularly fearsome hurler right now.
2005-08-22 20:00:50
371.   King of the Hobos
Astros just tied the game 2-2
2005-08-22 20:05:05
372.   King of the Hobos
So what's the purpose of the Broxton move? He was very good yesterday, so we punish him by chucking him in the fire? The only legitimate rationale I see is to give him some innings and put him in the rotation in September. Maybe a Lowe deal is on the horizon? I like Osoria, that's not why I'm unhappy.
2005-08-22 20:13:04
373.   King of the Hobos
After Oswalt bunted into a force out, Taveras singled in a run, 3-2. Oswalt pitched a 1-2-3 bottom of the inning
2005-08-22 20:14:56
374.   Bob Timmermann
What desperate contender would want to assume Derek Lowe's contract? I don't think Lowe cleared waivers anyway.

They'd have to edit him out of all the Boys and Girls Club PSAs he's in anyway!

2005-08-22 20:15:14
375.   King of the Hobos
Giants up 4-0 on the strength of an Alou 3 run homer
2005-08-22 20:20:31
376.   King of the Hobos
374 The team that is trotting Al Leiter to the mound tomorrow. Can't remember where, but I remember seeing something about Lowe being dealt, most likely unsubstantial. May have been someone here with a guess. Weaver also might headed out. Point is, what are we doing with Broxton? Last thing he needs to do is go to Vegas. We're talking abut a kid who's struck out Pujols (twice), Bay, Andruw Jones, Cabrera, Degado, etc in limited time.
2005-08-22 20:21:19
377.   Jon Weisman
Anyone who thinks I'm not aware of the tired, who cares arguments about what century the year 2000 belongs in is ... something.

The mathematic argument may be for the 20th century, but the aesthetic argument is for the 21st - and that's the one I'm going with. It is about the odometer changing, regardless of there not being a year zero.

Now don't talk about it anymore. You've talked about it too much already. We fought this out five-six years ago.

Of course, it figures that the actual team selections generated about a tenth of the comments as the inclusion of the year 2000.

In other news ... Peanut sounds way too snide for my taste.

2005-08-22 20:36:46
378.   Xeifrank
5 games out if the Padres lose tonight and 6 out if they win. We still have 6 head to head games vs the Padres left. And as long as our GB is <= to our games left with San Diego I will remain in denial... vr, Xei
2005-08-22 20:42:03
379.   Fearing Blue
#376: Broxton was optioned back to Jacksonville to join the team for the playoffs. I thought he was doing fine for his first 6.1 innings in the majors, but maybe DePodesta wanted him to get him more regular work. It's likely that Osoria isn't going to pitch any worse than Broxton as he is older and more experienced against higher level hitters.
2005-08-22 20:42:45
380.   Suffering Bruin
377 I won't argue about the year 2000 thang as I'm just now recovering from the "does 1900 start the 20th century" headaches so nothing to worry about there...

I will say this from my just-partially-delusional perspective: I predict that before this year ends, Choi will replace somebody as a bench player. He's starting to get more patient at the plate and it's paying off. Tracy can only ignore him for so long. The next 40 games, I think Choi plays very, very well.

By the by, anybody know of an LA Unified School that needs an English teacher? Believe it or not, those jobs are scarce.

2005-08-22 20:45:21
381.   Bob Timmermann
I take the blame for bringing up the year 2000 issue.


I think the inclusion of Matt Herges got me angry.

2005-08-22 21:11:53
382.   natepurcell
I picked up the Baseball America with the Suns cover story.

so where did you pick it up? a local barnes and noble? reason i ask is because i dont get the mag subscription and i kinda want this one for the cool pictures :)

2005-08-22 21:11:56
383.   Bob Timmermann
FP Santangelo is filling on the Giants broadcast tonight. Does his epic 2000 campaign merit inclusion on the All-Star squad?
2005-08-22 21:20:39
384.   King of the Hobos
San Diego is down 5-2 with an inning to go. 3 runs off Lidge is pretty hard, so I'm going to assume we lost no ground today. However, the Giants have a 5-0 lead with an out left in the game
2005-08-22 21:22:43
385.   Jon Weisman
No need to apologize. I didn't mean for my post to sound so rant-like.

I just expected at least one comment about Chris Donnels!

2005-08-22 21:24:59
386.   Bob Timmermann
It was too close to game time for anyone to have time to digest the list.
2005-08-22 21:30:25
387.   King of the Hobos
385 Jon, you may want to check out 84.
2005-08-22 21:34:44
388.   Bob Timmermann
Was Chris Donnels the first "professional hitter" for the Dodgers or was it Ron Coomer?
2005-08-22 21:36:12
389.   dzzrtRatt
I was stuck on Shawn Green, 1B, 2004. Surely somebody did better than him, thought I can't imagine who. Not Karros, that's for sure. But somebody.

What about Choi/Kent/Saenz/Phillips, 2005. I think I heard the combined offensive production from that group is second only to the Cardinals this year. In the NL.

2005-08-22 21:37:06
390.   HomeDePo
if we do not sweep this next series i am in acceptance. right now i am on the fence
2005-08-22 21:39:45
391.   HomeDePo
389 - maybe we should morph them all into some kind of four headed monster. it would have the height of choi, the speed of... nevermind, and the girth of saenz. it would challenge albert pujols for supremacy. this is what bored dodger fans come up with.
2005-08-22 21:44:03
392.   LAT
In the words of George Thorogood, "Who Do You Love?"

Answer: Lance Berkman (at least for tonight)

2005-08-22 21:47:05
393.   Bob Timmermann
Right now it's
Diamondbacks -4
Dodgers -5
Giants -6

The Giants actually have two decent starters now in Lowry and Schmidt. And if Bonds returns.....

2005-08-22 21:52:40
394.   Jon Weisman
387, 84 - Ah, thanks!
2005-08-22 22:01:47
395.   Jim Hitchcock
I was struck in the post by the required daddy long legs aspect required to envision Shawn Green playing both first and right...which led me to try and recall who it was Vinny used to refer to as Daddy Long Legs. Was it Lonnie McGee?
2005-08-22 22:12:28
396.   Sam DC
Now don't talk about it anymore. You've talked about it too much already.

Um, if this becomes the new measuring stick around here, we're all in trouble.

On the thread topic, no Dave Hansen!

2005-08-22 22:19:51
397.   King of the Hobos
391 The 4 headed monster is 5 out of 10 for SBs, so it has plenty of speed =)
And one of those CSs was Phillips, was he picked off? Or busted hit and run? Because if he attempted a straight steal, Tracy should be shot
2005-08-22 22:23:29
398.   Bob Timmermann
Lonnie McGee?

Is he some unholy amalgamation of Lonnie Smith and Willie McGee? Neither guy was overly tall.

I think Vin calls a lot of tall players Daddy Longlegs.

Hey, weren't the Marlins 0 for 3 in stolen bases in the series?

2005-08-22 22:36:29
399.   Jim Hitchcock
Uh oh. The dreaded Russ Nixon syndrome strikes again.

Ozzie and Lonnie. Not Willie and Lonnie. Least I had the team right... :)

2005-08-22 22:42:11
400.   Icaros
Yeah, like I'm going to take seriously an All 21st Century Dodgers team that doesn't include Alex Cora.


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2005-08-22 22:43:23
401.   Bob Timmermann
Lonnie Smith played for a lot of people:
St. Louis
Kansas City

I always liked Lonnie Smith. He was a really gifted athlete, yet always fell over in the outfield.

2005-08-22 22:58:11
402.   Icaros
If Bob played pro baseball, Vin would probably call him Daddy Longlegs, too.
2005-08-22 23:02:48
403.   popup
I am probably the only Dodger Thoughts reader who had a good day at the ballpark tonight. Just returned from a triple A game in Tacoma where I saw the Giants Triple A team lose to the Tacoma Rainiers. I just hope the big league Giants follow in their footsteps.

I know the orthodox view here is to hope the Padres lose. I think I mentioned this the other day, but I hope the Padres win. If the Dodgers win a pennant I want them to win it rather than depending on the teams around them to lose. Also, I don't want the Giants hanging around and end up winning the NL West. If the Dodgers are good enough they can keep pace with the Padres. If they are not good enough, they don't deserve to be in a pennant race anyway.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-22 23:05:39
404.   Bob Timmermann
I actually should be called Daddy Longtorso, but that's just weird.

Sometimes Vin calls guys who are really tall and skinny as "He's all elbows and kneecaps!"

2005-08-22 23:14:15
405.   Jim Hitchcock
Is it okay if we just call you Penguin Too(sic), Bob? :)

Hear what you're saying, kind of boils down to a pride of division thing.

2005-08-23 00:32:48
406.   Clive Clements
391 Nah, it's not just bored Dodger fans that come up with that stuff. Bored Dodger managers come up with that stuff too (

"one thing that you would like to see is our ability to sustain some offense. The opportunity to have three or four guys in the lineup swinging the bat collectively at the same time."

2005-08-23 05:39:53
407.   Fearing Blue
In the ESPN managerial poll, Tracy is currently 3rd for chance of not being brought back (57.4%) behind Sam Perlozzo of the Orioles (77.5%) and Lou Piniella (67.1%). The interesting result is that Tracy is by far leading the pack based on the percentage of fans who blame him for this season's troubles (23.5%). In that department he is followed by Clint Hurdle (19.2%) and Dusty Baker (18.6%). Keep up the voting!

2005-08-23 06:42:08
408.   TerryAustin
403 But if the Padres win... (wait for it)... how can the Dodgers catch up? :-)
2005-08-23 07:29:02
409.   Tommy Naccarato
I was just watching Cold Pizza on ESPN, and the New York Post's Kevin Kernan is reporting that Paul Depodesta's tenure with the Dodgers is close to its end.
2005-08-23 07:41:57
410.   popup
#408, the same way the 1963 Dodgers won the pennant. They went into St. Louis and cooled off a hot Cardinal team with a three game sweep.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-08-23 08:11:17
411.   db1022
409 - I don't believe that for a second (the report, not you :) ).

407 - I was surprised to see Tracy getting so much support (or lack thereof) in the national fan base. I figured that most people know that Piniella (a given) and Perlozzo (who?) are both gone, so to see Tracy first among the rest is impressive.

I think both Dusty and Hurdle come back, for what its worth. I don't think Torre comes back if the Yankees have a disappointing finish to the year.

2005-08-23 08:41:50
412.   Nagman
401 thus the nickname Skates.

Remember when an announcer likened Willie McGee to "E.T."?

2005-08-23 09:23:15
413.   TerryAustin
411 Actually, the reports this morning are that Perlozzo will probably keep the Orioles' managerial job, minus the "interim" tag.

409 Ah, the New York Post.

2005-08-23 09:23:28
414.   Bob Timmermann

I would be a bit more confident if there was a guy named Koufax starting every four days as it was back in 1963.

But the 1963 squad led most of the year. The 1965 team was the one that had an incredible hot streak from its pitchers at the end of the year.

2005-08-23 09:30:20
415.   bokonon42
382- Sorry I didn't reply last night. I bought it at a newsstand in Pasadena in front of the bookstore that's next to the Laemmle on Colorado. Is that a Vromans?
2005-08-23 09:32:08
416.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, that's Vroman's.
2005-08-23 09:43:15
417.   Bob Timmermann
Jon has already read my indignation about Murray Chass's column today in the NY Times.

But read this and picture me in a blind rage:

It's the NY Times, so they'll ask you to register.

2005-08-23 09:44:58
418.   bokonon42
416- Huh. Just found their website. Did Vroman's used to be a chain? I would have sworn there was one in the South Coast Plaza. I still remember a time before all books came from Amazon.
2005-08-23 09:51:38
419.   Bob Timmermann
There is more than one Vroman's. There used to be one in Arcadia. Might still be there. But the one in Pasadena has always been "The Mother Ship".
2005-08-23 10:09:18
420.   Marty
I don't remember a Vroman's in Arcadia, but I trust Bob. They've always been Pasadena-centric. There is a newish Vroman's in the Whole Foods shopping center in east Pasadena at Rosemead and Foothill. They took over a space that Crown Books used to occupy.
2005-08-23 11:02:08
421.   LAT
409 I don't think its true but a case could be made.

Let's look at some of his moves:

1. Lowe--an indisputably terrible move. He was not that good and Depo gave him a bad contract.

2. Resign Perez--we are getting less than we expected. Is this Depos fault? Not sure. The pitching market was getting away from the Dodgers but someone was going to give OP big money. As in the past, this season he has shown a few signs of being great and more signs of being mentally weak and physically not durable. The market was crazy at he time and I am not sure there was any better option.

3. Kent--Perhaps one of the top three signings in all of baseball this year. Depo deserves full credit for this one.

4. Drew--Tough start. But for those watching carefully we started to see what a great signing this was shortly before he got hurt. Given his history, should depo have foreseen this injury? IMO, no. We are not talking about a pulled muscle or a twisted ankle. If you think Depo should have seen this coming then you have to say Depo should have seen Werths or Wunch's injuries coming. If so, please tell me who will win the feature today at Del Mar.

Valentine--Was a terrible signing at the time and turns out to be even worse. For me this is the most inexcusable mistake Depo has made. Perhaps not the worst but the most foreseeable.

Erickson--This one is all Depo. I wouldn't expect much debate here.

Ledee--Too bad for the injury because he was a nice signing for which Depo deserves credit.

Phillips--As much as it hurts to admit. This still remains a good trade. I am not a Phillips fan and resent that Choi doesn't play, in part, because Phillips can't do his real job, but Ishi is still in the minors and has had a terrible season. Given the Dodgers problems we could not have survived another Ishi tightrope act every fifth day.

Injuries--Brutal. Can't remember any other team in recent history having an injury season like this. The capper for me was Wunch. When that happens you know the Gods are against you. In any event, injuries have deprived this team of any real opportunity to compete and show who if they really are any good.

People Depo let go:

Beltre--People can say "oh if he were here he'd be doing better" but the fact is neither the 2004 Beltre nor the 2005 Beltre is the real Beltre. The truth lies somewhere between. Would he better than Valentine? I think so. Would he have been worth the money? No way.

Ishi--See above.

Cora--Cora v. Kent. That thunderous clap was the scales tipping over in favor of Kent.

Green--(I will do my best to be objective). IMO, if we had kept Green and paid him his $16M we would have been better off, for this year at least. Although it is clear his power days are long behind him, he is hitting for average and has somehow turned into one of AZ's most consistent hitters. (Jon, probably wouldn't remember this but a year ago I took issue with his statements that Green's shoulder would rob him of his power--I have conceded that issue). In addition, he is not as "light hitting" as he was when he was here, i.e. meaningless HR in late inning of blowout game. We paid AZ $10M to take him and for the $6M we saved we would have been better off keeping him. Should we have given him an extension? No. Too much money and his days are behind him. The third year of that AZ deal will look bad, but for now we could have used him.

Lima--Nothing needs to be said. But he was fun while he was here.

I am sure I have forgotten some deals and people will disagree. I didn't intend for this to be so long but as I got into it I realized I was trying to determine for myself what I thought of Depo's moves overall. (That and I don't feel like getting any work done today) In the end, the conclusion for me is that there have been some very good and some very bad moves. For me he is not the savior or boy wonder some see him as. So far, is he better than Dan Evans, probably, but not by a lot. Is he better than Malone? Karl Malone would be a better GM than the Sheriff. Yes but that is not saying much. Is he the next mad scientist, as in Beane. I'm not convinced yet, but injuries have deprived him of any real opportunity to show his true ability.

2005-08-23 11:15:55
422.   LAT
From the Have We Gone Too Far Department:

After the 2004 Red Sox championship season, the entire field was replaced and the infield was preserved. Under the watchful eye of MLB authenticators, portions of the field were removed, transported and transplanted on a turf farm in Rhode Island.

A limited amount of Fenway Championship Sod is now available to become a part of Red Sox fans' lawns and gardens.

Your piece of Red Sox history
The sod will be cut into 18" x 9" rectangles and can be purchased for $150 (plus 5% sales tax).

Fans will be invited to pick up their sod at 9 a.m. on September 24, 2005 at Fenway Park Gate C. Parking will be available in the Brookline Avenue parking lot across from the Red Sox ticket office. Sorry, orders cannot be shipped.

2005-08-23 11:47:42
423.   Fearing Blue
#421: A couple minor comments:

The Lowe signing was bad at $3.15 million / win so far as opposed to the league average of $2.15 million / win, but "indisputably terrible" should be reserved for Eric Milton and Russ Ortiz.

Valentin has been a terrible signing, but at the time it did look like a reasonable option compared to Randa. In the end, it's still just a 1 year / $3.5 million deal.

Last year was a really bad year to have to rebuild most of a team through free agency. Even more unfortunately, this year doesn't look like it will be any better. At this point, I'd definitely rate DePodesta above-average for major league GMs, but how he manages our upcoming prospects will likely determine his Dodgers legacy.

2005-08-24 13:48:47
424.   Tommy Naccarato
Not sure if you'll see this, way far down on the board now, but here goes anyway.

Great post. Appreciate the time it took to type it all out.

As far as the credibility of the NYP, well, I returned just over a month ago from being there for 8 LONG weeks. IT's a very popular paper back there and in truth I don't see all that much difference between it, the Daily News or Newsday. All of them are so screwed-up that they print the sports page from the back page, in. I hated it! Not to mention the fact that reading anything about the Dodgers was little if anything. The scres are all a day late!

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