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Turkey Day
2005-11-24 09:02
by Jon Weisman

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Time to sit back in front of the TV and pop in a tape from the 1988 World Series ...

Page 2 of the Times sports section, for perhaps the first time in my lifetime, is taken up by a full-page ad. Page 3 has the usual Page 2 content, including a column by T.J. Simers good-naturedly mocking blogs for not doing any actual reporting.

From what I know about blogs, it doesn't appear you need much more than someone who likes to hear themselves talk, who knows how to type and who also owns a computer. It's not as if you have to interview anyone, or even attend a game, so long as you sound as if you know what you're talking about — you know, kind of like sports talk radio.

Simers did attend Wednesday's Clipper game, but the only quotes he takes away from it is one from Clippers broadcaster Ralph Lawler saying that forward Elton Brand is playing "like a monster this season," and one from coach Mike Dunleavy saying, "Yes, we're good enough to be a playoff team. ... It's going to take 45 wins to get to the playoffs."

Welcome to the blogging fraternity, T.J.!

Comments (117)
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2005-11-24 09:13:22
1.   Marty
Happy Thanksgiving to you Jon! Hope it's a good one
2005-11-24 09:16:45
2.   Suffering Bruin
Simers' writing is getting increasingly bizarre and today's column is just the latest example. I mean, as Jon pointed out, the guy could've been talking about himself. I don't think he was trying to satirize himself but there it is.

To one and all on this terrific blog that makes the Times look terribly frail... Happy Thanksgiving! Enjoy the food, folks. I plan on eating way beyond the point of my hearts content.

2005-11-24 09:52:34
3.   Mark
Simers: "That last part was underlined to indicate Odom's quote came from the Daily News, and so readers could press a button and divert their attention to the Daily News."

Okay, TJ Simers is officially retarded. IT'S A LINK, YOU JACKASS. EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A LINK IS. Welcome to the World Wide Web, you halfwitted excuse for a million monkey typewriter experiment.

2005-11-24 09:53:33
4.   zappala
This is somewhat of a self-fulfilling prophecy so long as major sports recognize only the traditional media outlets as players in the news game, regardless of their shoddy reporting and baseless opinions. Give bloggers the same access to the team as you do the regular beat reporters and then see who knows what they're talking about. You think bloggers are creaming the print media now, wait till print media's only advantage is taken away!
2005-11-24 09:57:16
5.   molokai
Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Today is even better as JdT and Steve Yeager and yours truly all celebrate our birthdays.

Clippers 9-2, never seen such a thing on Thanksgiving before. You can tell the Clippers are getting more respect from the Staples center as they have been stuck with the Thanksgiving game since they moved to the Staples center, but this year it is the Lakers who have to play on Turkey day. I can no longer use the excuse I have a game to go to if I want to leave early.

2005-11-24 09:57:19
6.   SiGeg
No, no -- he's a turkey, not a jackass.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

2005-11-24 10:03:18
7.   Bob Timmermann
We can all tell Simers that "http" stands for "have to type poorly". HTML = Have to mock Lasorda.
2005-11-24 10:16:39
8.   Bob Timmermann
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone! Time to sit back in front of the TV and pop in a tape from the 1988 World Series

My oldest brother has a copy of the 1988 World Series highlight video and my nephew likes to watch it. He has told me "55 is a really good pitcher."

2005-11-24 10:56:36
9.   scareduck
7 - I was about to say something like STFU, Simers, but your acronyms were far more elegant.
2005-11-24 11:36:40
10.   popup
Happy Birthday Molokai and Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Stan from Tacoma

2005-11-24 11:56:41
11.   Sushirabbit
Happy Turkey day! I am really thankful for DT and all it's posters. I don't try to get the last word in, just have trouble getting here as often as I would like-- sometimes it takes me an hour to read all that I missed.
2005-11-24 12:05:27
12.   trainwreck
Happy Thanksgiving guys. Man the Lions are terrible.
2005-11-24 12:25:47
13.   trainwreck
Rumors abound that Pierre is going to the Cubs for prospects so we may have one more thing to be thankful for today.
2005-11-24 13:16:03
14.   Andrew Shimmin
So, Gov. Bill Richardson wasn't drafted by the A's, after all. I guess I'm not as hardcore a news junky as I thought I was; I had no idea he'd ever claimed that he had been drafted.

2005-11-24 13:23:16
15.   Bob Timmermann
Slow down there, sport, there's a New Mexico?
2005-11-24 13:25:10
16.   jasonungar05
Happy Turkey Day everyone!!
2005-11-24 13:43:13
17.   Andrew Shimmin
When I falsely claim to have been drafted by a baseball team, I always say it was the Mets. Mr. Minaya and I have an understanding, should the Albuquerque Journal ever come sniffing around.
2005-11-24 14:00:53
18.   Linkmeister
What temperature does one use to cook Plaschkes and Simers? They're turkeys, right?

Enjoy the turkey/ham/whatever today, folks.

2005-11-24 15:06:22
19.   willhite
Happy Thanksgiving to all, and to all a good turkey.

I think we should stop treating Plaschke and Simers with equal disdain. Simers takes off after everyone, no matter what side they are on, and doesn't take himself all that seriously. I give him points for that, at least.

2005-11-24 15:53:39
20.   fanerman
Happy Thanksgiving everybody.
Friendly PSA:
Arrested Development DVD's are on sale at Best Buy for $15 each tomorrow. I'm thinking of picking them up just from the recommendations of everybody here.
2005-11-24 15:57:19
21.   Eric L
19 Aside from that, Simers has actually written some halfway decent articles lately. I may not like his shtick all the time, but he does a pretty good job ripping on everyone.
2005-11-24 16:05:50
22.   trainwreck
What a deal, too bad I already own them.
2005-11-24 18:49:34
23.   tjshere
Happy Thanksgiving to all my fellow DTers. I hope you're all as full as I am.

Do you think Santa would think I'm crazy if I tell him all I want for Christmas is Orel Hershiser?

2005-11-24 20:33:27
24.   alex 7
for all we know he might make a better #4 starter than a manager.
2005-11-24 20:41:36
25.   King of the Hobos
In the world of baseball, both Marlins trades were expanded. The Mets will also send Grant Psomas to the Marlins. He's not particularly advanced, but a decent 3B prospect (probably 10th-15th ranked in Mets system).

Also, the Red Sox will be getting Mota, while also trading another prospect, reliever Harvey Garcia. So it's Beckett, Mota, and Lowell for Ramirez, Sanchez, Delgado, and Garcia

Both of these are official from what I can tell

2005-11-24 20:55:59
26.   King of the Hobos
Word out of the Dominican is that Antonio Perez was hit in the face and is out for the rest of the DR season
2005-11-24 20:57:10
27.   Javier Gutierrez
What do you guys think of Jason Michaels? If Frank McCourt and Ned Colletti do not want to keep Bradley, Michaels seems like a solid fit.
2005-11-24 21:06:48
28.   King of the Hobos
27 Another Jason, then we could play Grabowski at 1B and Phillips at C

I like Michaels, probably as a leadoff hitter. I'd still prefer signing Giles, although that assumes Cruz plays regularly. Sign Giles and call Cruz a 4th OF, I'd love to get him. But we have no need for him as a bottom of the order guy

2005-11-24 21:08:07
29.   Steve
I like Jason Michaels, because if the Phillies won't play a guy full time (Utley, Howard, Michaels, etc.), he must be good.
2005-11-24 22:15:18
30.   Xeifrank
Michaels would be Ok but the Yankees are also eye-ing him. vr, Xei
2005-11-24 22:51:24
31.   Bob Timmermann
Not that I have met him, but I have a new newphew today. One of my brothers and his wife returned from Guatemala today with a 6-year old boy. The cabride to the airport was only the second time he had ridden in a car in his life.

And as he left Guatemala (temps in the 70s and clear), he was headed for Western Michigan and a snow storm.

Welcome to the U.S.!

2005-11-24 23:12:18
32.   natepurcell
if we actually sign furcal and trade for gathright, we could ideally have 100+ SB's at the top of the order at a 75+% clip (gathrights minor league % is 77, furcals major league career % is 78.

this would probably make maury wills ga-ga.

2005-11-24 23:27:08
33.   LAT
Molokai, it is my birthday as well. While I am younger than Yager, I am certainly older than JtD and I suspect you. I am 11/24/61.

On a diffrent note, unbeknownst to me my mother invited another couple for dinner tonight who are one of the two remaining groups contending to buy the Nats. He wouldn't say much about it and it would be impolite to have pressed but I did tell him that if he got the team he should avoid emulating Frank in any manner. He just laughed knowingly.

2005-11-24 23:56:45
34.   PedroGuerrero
Any thoughts on this:

Trade Dioner Navarro, Antonio Perez and a Prospect to the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera and Paul LoDuca.

Sign Nomar to a one year deal.

Trade Bradley and Aybar to the Reds for Adam Dunn.

Lineup (when Izturis is back)
SS Izturis
3B Garciaparra
1B Cabrera
2B Kent
CF Drew
LF Dunn
RF Cruz/Werth
C LoDuca

2005-11-25 00:06:08
35.   trainwreck
We are going to have to give up way more to get Cabrera, but I would be willing to give up a lot to get him.
2005-11-25 00:06:44
36.   Uncle Miltie
You forgot Edwin Jackson for Johan Santana and Joel Hanrahan for Roy Halladay.

McCourt is raising the ticket prices. The average ticket will now cost over $20. The payroll is expected to be reduced to $75 million. McCourt must be planning on pocketing a lot of money.

2005-11-25 00:33:55
37.   Eric L
35 I'm not big on trading prospects, but Cabrera is someone that Bills, Jax, and JtD would be worth trading for (maybe?). Um, okay.. maybe even more..

Seriously, he's going into his age 23 season next year and seems like he is getting better and better. His comps through age 22 at bb-ref are mighty impressive. When Mantle, Aaron, F-Rob (sorry Bob), Cepeda, etc have similar comps at the same age, there is reason for drooling at the dude.

2005-11-25 00:38:34
38.   Uncle Miltie
37- and his agent is Scott Boras, so he'll walk when he becomes a free agent
2005-11-25 01:35:41
39.   overkill94
34 I'd like to have what you're smoking. Of all the people untouchable in the major leagues, Cabrera has to be near the top. Plus, throwing them some mediocre major league talent won't exactly net him and LoDuca, even if you include one of our uber-prospects.

Our only hope this offseason is to net Brian Giles. I'll be happy if a few other minor deals are made to solidify the rotation and 3rd base. The old adage in fantasy sports is always to acquire the best player in a trade, well I'd have to say that Giles that sort of player in our current predicament.

2005-11-25 03:44:15
40.   autumnlanding
34- your lineup is rediculous haha

package bradley and jackson to get something this offseason... even that combo doesn't give you that much bargaining power

colletti doesnt like pitching prospects
goodbye billingsly

nomar sucks

bosox dont even have a gm and they just got a rediculous deal

2005-11-25 04:37:22
41.   Sam DC
31 That's wonderful, Bob -- Happy First Thanksgiving to your new nephew.

33 Can you say which one?

2005-11-25 07:43:00
42.   PedroGuerrero
Folks - I think you may be overestimating the Marlins right now. They will absolutely give up essentially all of their Big League talent.

39 - there is no such thing as untouchable. In fact he should even trade Gagne if there is someone that wants him and is willing to part with a #3 or #4 all-star caliber bat.

They've got to start moving on these deals or there going to be spinning the "hypothetical" pick ups of Rafael Palmiero and Sammy Sosa as the franchise saviors!

2005-11-25 08:41:26
43.   regfairfield
Even if they were giving up Cabrera, there's no way that would be the winning bid.

If you have a 21 year old who's amongst the top 15 players in baseball, you don't trade him I don't care how much of a fire sale you have. Cabrera hit .323/.385/.561 last year. He did it for 370,000. Why would you trade this man? His replacement would make just as much.

The mere fact that you consider Gagne the Dodgers most untouchable player tells me that you haven't fully

2005-11-25 08:47:00
44.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Pat Morita, George Best.
2005-11-25 10:06:14
45.   LAT
41. Sam, its Teddy Lerner. Very nice guy. They spend thier winter in Ranco Mirage.
2005-11-25 11:43:08
46.   molokai
Born in 58. Had a math teacher who once said that in a class size over 30 the odds were in his favor that at least one student would share a birthday. Since my wife is a teacher I've tested his theory and 8 out of 10 years it was correct. Someone later broke down the exact odds and it is a good thing my math teacher never bet his house on his theory.
So are you rooting for JdT as much as I am just because we share a birthday?
2005-11-25 11:44:34
47.   Bob Timmermann
Someone else is willing to talk to the Dodgers about being a manger: John McLaren, a Tampa Bay coach.

2005-11-25 11:51:12
48.   regfairfield
46 Isn't it like a 99% chance someone will share a birthday in that situation?
2005-11-25 11:55:17
49.   fanerman
46 - I remember it being likely but not guaranteed. I had a program on my calculator that figured out the chances. I took a stats class in high school and my teacher bet us HW on the first day that people shared the same birthday. We won and we had no homework. The next day he showed us the math and made us program it into our calculators. The program has since disappeared.
2005-11-25 11:56:27
50.   Bob Timmermann
Once you get to 23 people in a group, there is a 50/50 chance that one pair in the group has a common birthday.

The link will play a midi of "Happy Birthday" is that bothers you.

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2005-11-25 12:08:15
51.   willhite
47 -

I assume McLaren was recommended by Piniella. Don't know if that's a good thing or not, but if we hire him, we'll have Lou, one step removed.

2005-11-25 12:12:04
52.   Jon Weisman
In my department at work of about 15 people, I share a birthday.
2005-11-25 12:16:56
53.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps McLaren crashed Brian Sabean's wedding reception and dropped off his resume with Colletti.
2005-11-25 12:17:01
54.   D4P
This birthday thing has long puzzled me. I assume that having the same birthday contributes to the likelihood of two {or more} people being in the same place in life, right? Otherwise, the odds would seemingly be against two persons having the same birthday in groups as small as 15 or 30.
2005-11-25 12:21:03
55.   Bob Timmermann
It's just people being born on the same day, not being born on the same day AND year.

With 15 people, the probablity is around 15% that two people will have the same birthday.

15% is not all that long of odds.

2005-11-25 12:22:32
56.   willhite
53 -

Who knows, he may have been an invited guest.
Since we all know that Fregosi is the guy Colletti wants, I'm sure he's just going to pump him for information on Gathright so he can decide if he wants to trade Gagne for him.

2005-11-25 12:24:54
57.   willhite
OK Bob (or anyone else), is it particularly unusual that my father, my son and I were all born on the same day of the month (but in different months). Not being all that mathematically oriented, I figured I would let one of you guys figure it out.
2005-11-25 12:27:21
58.   Bob Timmermann
Someone else can do the month, but in your situation, you are just looking for people to pick the same number out of a group of 31 three times. But I suppose you have to weight the options for February and the 30-day months.
2005-11-25 12:32:44
59.   regfairfield
58 This seems sound to account for the month, I could be wrong. Simply take the average odds for each month.

So it would be (4*(1/30^2) + (1/28^2) +7*(1/31^2))/12

2005-11-25 12:32:54
60.   willhite
58 -

Three times out of three tries. Let's assume that all months have 30 days, would that mean 30x30x30?

2005-11-25 12:34:04
61.   Bob Timmermann
This is weird.

Note how Plaschke writes a book review:

There are real paragraphs used.

2005-11-25 12:34:15
62.   regfairfield
60 No, just 30*30, the first choice doesn't matter.
2005-11-25 12:34:16
63.   willhite
59 -

Could you please translate? What does that formula mean translated to odds?

2005-11-25 12:35:18
64.   willhite
62 -

So we're basically saying 900-1?

2005-11-25 12:36:31
65.   scareduck
33 - either you misremember or the math teacher was wrong; there is better than a 50% chance that two students in a class of 30 will share the same birthday.

54 - this is basic combinatorics, a class I found maddeningly difficult, though this is one of the easier pieces. The math for this is done by the successive removal of probabilities. For one person, the probability of having the same birthday is always unity. The generalized case is


You can find a complete derivation here:

2005-11-25 12:43:18
66.   Bob Timmermann
Wouldn't the chances of the date of the birthday (i.e., the number) depend upon which date it is?

For example, three 30s or three 31s are pretty hard to get. Three 29s would just be too hard to figure out for a guy who holds a History degree.

The chances of the 1-28s corresponding should be the same.

2005-11-25 12:43:37
67.   regfairfield
64 According to the formula I posted, it's about 1 in 922.
2005-11-25 12:45:05
68.   regfairfield
66 You're right, I misread the problem.
2005-11-25 12:46:36
69.   willhite
67 -

Thanks. I'll tell my father and my son that we're somewhat special, although maybe not quite as special as Jim Fregosi.

2005-11-25 12:48:29
70.   Bob Timmermann
Unless you're all born on the 31st. Then you would be more special than Jim Fregosi.
2005-11-25 12:48:52
71.   willhite
66 -

Not that anyone cares, but in our case the day happens to be the 23rd.

2005-11-25 12:49:42
72.   willhite
70 -

Thank you for caring Bob

2005-11-25 12:52:45
73.   Bob Timmermann
I care about a lot of things. I may not care about a lot of important things however.
2005-11-25 12:54:28
74.   D4P
Do you mean

1. The percentage of "important things" that I care about is relatively low, or
2. The percentage of "things I care about" that are important is relatively low?

2005-11-25 12:55:17
75.   Bob Timmermann
I was going for the second meaning.
2005-11-25 13:00:36
76.   Bob Timmermann
Barring Reggie Bush getting picked up for murder or Matt Leinart throwing for 600 yards against UCLA, I think the Heisman Trophy is going to Mr. Bush.
2005-11-25 13:05:57
77.   regfairfield
A bit late, but this should be the actual solution.


This should account for leap years as well.

2005-11-25 13:15:45
78.   Linkmeister
Speaking of math problems, I ran across this yesterday. It spawned a 100-comment thread at Making Light, the blog run by Teresa Nielsen Hayden and her husband Patrick.

"For a turkey of greater than ten pounds, the roasting time should be equal to 1.65 times the natural log of the weight of the bird in pounds, cooked at 325 F."

2005-11-25 13:17:54
79.   Bob Timmermann
Shouldn't we pose our math question on Danica McKellar's website? Sounds like one she would like to solve.
2005-11-25 13:30:12
80.   fanerman
79 - A group question from the unofficial Danica McKellar fan club website aka Dodger Thoughts?
2005-11-25 13:32:26
81.   willhite
I apologize for bringing baseball back into the conversation, but I found the following two quotes attributed to John McLaren, our new candidate:

"I've been with Lou for 10 years, so there is a lot of Lou in me."

"There's no question that I've patterned myself after Lou. The most important lesson he's taught me is that you can't force things to happen. There were the years we had all the home run hitters. He'd say how much he wanted to run, but it wasn't the right team for it. So he didn't run."

The 10 year comment was while they were still at Seattle together and before McLaren followed Lou to Tampa, so they really have been together for a long while.

I find the second quote interesting because he seems to be saying, don't make your ballclub into something it isn't. Take the players you've been given and use them to their best advantage. That thought process could really appeal to Colletti since he's the one that will be giving the new manager his players. DePo might have appreicated having McLaren instead of JT. Sounds like he might have played Choi instead of using a catcher at first base.

2005-11-25 13:36:14
82.   D4P
We might also ask her if she'd be interested in managing the Dodgers. Despite her lack of professional baseball experience, she would appear to meet the all-important McColletti Criterion (i.e. all new Dodger employees must be either Irish or Italian).
2005-11-25 13:39:03
83.   willhite
82 -

I hope they don't find out that Kim McNg insn't.

2005-11-25 13:43:38
84.   Bob Timmermann
I think the McNgs are part of the #15 Value Meal.
2005-11-25 13:46:24
85.   willhite
84 -

That would assure her of a lifetime job, since the McCourt's are always looking for value.

2005-11-25 14:37:10
86.   Suffering Bruin
I love this story. Apologies if this was brought up before...

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - Gov. Bill Richardson is coming clean on his draft record - the baseball draft, that is, admitting that his claim to have been a pick of the Kansas City A's in 1966 was untrue.

For nearly four decades, Richardson, often mentioned as a possible Democratic presidential candidate, has maintained he was drafted by the Kansas City Athletics.


But an investigation by the Albuquerque Journal found no record of Richardson being drafted by the A's, who have since moved to Oakland, or any other team.

Informed by the newspaper of its findings, the governor acknowledged the error in a story in Thursday's editions.

"After being notified of the situation and after researching the matter ... I came to the conclusion that I was not drafted by the A's," he said.

(end excerpt of

One day a newspaper will call me and break the news that I was not, in fact, the fifth Beatle.

In fairness to Richardson, I think his explanation is reasonable.

2005-11-25 14:40:50
87.   overkill94
I think you all had too much turkey yesterday
2005-11-25 14:43:27
88.   FirstMohican
"Both parties -- Brian, Ned and myself -- always had such a hatred of the Dodgers," San Diego GM Kevin Towers said. "I wonder if he's going to have some comments now about the boys in blue."

2005-11-25 14:47:36
89.   Bob Timmermann
We're all too wrapped up in watching the battle for the Territorial Cup.
2005-11-25 14:48:41
90.   Steve
So which is cuter, the fact that Billy wrote a book review, or that he criticized David Halberstam's writing?
2005-11-25 14:49:23
91.   molokai
"Rawitch also confirmed that outfielder Jayson Werth underwent surgery last week to repair a torn ligament in his left wrist. Recovery time is up to five months, meaning Werth probably won't be ready at the beginning of spring training."

So did this happen when the wrist was broken, during rehab, or just another Werth injury later in the year?

2005-11-25 14:52:14
92.   FirstMohican
I think Werth and Drew high-fived celebrating their health. Werth won't be back until after spring training and Drew is in intensive care.
2005-11-25 15:12:55
93.   molokai
Let's hope they never do a chest bump together.
2005-11-25 15:34:54
94.   Suffering Bruin
90 Halberstam has written some wonderful books--"The Best and the Brightest" immediately comes to mind--but "The Summer of '49" was badly researched, carelessly written... just a terrible effort in every respect. I enjoyed "The Breaks of the Game" which made the baseball books all the more baffling.

That said Plaschke is to Halberstam what I am to Marva Collins. And Plaschke's been at his career a lot longer than me.

2005-11-25 15:54:01
95.   Bob Timmermann
Now everybody can buy tickets for that exciting ASU-Rutgers Insight Bowl at Chase Field (the erstwhile BOB).

It will be a rematch of the 1978 Garden State Bowl. That was a fun game.

2005-11-25 16:01:34
96.   Linkmeister
Curses, Bob!

Jon, I just nominated you for best sports blog over here:

2005-11-25 16:11:08
97.   Bob Timmermann
Tomorrow I become a big Stanford fan as the Cardinal are the last hope to keep Notre Dame out of the BCS.

It will be the last game in the current configuration of Stanford Stadium. It will be renovated and the capacity dropped to about 50,000 and have the track removed.

And presumably have seats replaced.

2005-11-25 16:14:52
98.   D4P
A Stanford win would (presumably) increase the Ducks' chances of getting a BCS bid. That would be nice.
2005-11-25 16:19:25
99.   Bob Timmermann
Getting Oregon into the BCS is not as important as keeping Notre Dame out.

Notre Dame is the bird flu of college football.

2005-11-25 16:54:38
100.   D4P
As a long time Eugenian and Oregon alum, getting Oregon into the BCS is more important than keeping Notre Dame out. However, keeping Notre Dame out is nevertheless an admirable pursuit.
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2005-11-25 17:00:45
101.   King of the Hobos
The NY Daily News is reporting that BJ Ryan has signed a contract. The Blue Jays got him for a reasonable deal, only 5 years, $47 mil. Ending the sarcasm, the per-year isn't bad, but 5 years? Miguel Batista is now trade bait if we want him for the rotation. I personally would love his Ishii-esque walk rate on the team. Then we could re-sign Ishii, and sign Armas and Estes. We could walk everyone!
2005-11-25 17:07:34
102.   Uncle Miltie
BJ Ryan was a pretty underrated pitcher...until he signed that contract. I wouldn't have given him 5 years. Anyone want to guess what Boras is going to ask for Gagne? My guess, 7 years $90 million. The Yankees will probably end up signing Gagne for 5 years $65 million.
2005-11-25 17:13:25
103.   King of the Hobos
That's what he wanted for Damon. For Gagne, I expect nothing less than 10 years, $150 mil
2005-11-25 17:14:44
104.   D4P
Trade Gagne now!
2005-11-25 17:58:29
105.   bigcpa
I'm starting to see a pattern with the names on the Dodgers radar: Damon, Furcal, Pierre, Gathright. Colletti seems to have the NEED FOR SPEED. Are the speedy OF's a fallback if we don't get Giles? Or vice versa? And if we're seriously pursuing Furcal, does that make Izzy trade bait at the deadline?

The number one name on my offseason wishlist is still Bradley.

2005-11-25 18:00:40
106.   D4P
Colletti's need for speed may very well start this team down a highway to the danger zone.
2005-11-25 18:05:14
107.   Sam DC
I for one am simply shocked at many comments it took of discussing high-density math problems before someone invoked Danica McKellar.

OK, they weren't that high density, but still . . .

2005-11-25 18:10:40
108.   Bob Timmermann
I was thinking that maybe some of your younger reader who still might have a shot with Ms. McKellar would try to pique her interest.

I'm just trying to help.

2005-11-25 18:17:52
109.   D4P
Are you too old for Winnie, or is she too young for you?
2005-11-25 18:19:21
110.   Bob Timmermann

I'm not available for rentals now either.

2005-11-25 18:19:50
111.   trainwreck
I knew the Blue Jays had been given some money to use over the next few years, but no need to go overboard. I thought Brandon League was supposed to be a good prospect and would be their future closer. They almost paid as much to Ryan as they offered to Burnett.
2005-11-25 18:20:38
112.   Baseballistic Ben
Totally unrelated, but did anyone else read this nugget from Bill Simmons?

"The sad thing is that Papi isn't a bad first baseman"


2005-11-25 18:36:30
113.   King of the Hobos
I haven't seen Colletti's name associated with the various fast players, just the name "Dodgers." I wouldn't be surprised if it's a lot of various people (agents, other GMs, etc.) trying to increase a player's value by mentioning the team name. It is after all widely known that we are a slow team, and they'll use that to increase value
2005-11-25 18:37:14
114.   trainwreck
Billy needs to call JP and remind him all that he learned in Oakland, because he has clearly forgotten it all.
2005-11-25 19:07:26
115.   Steve
This is the problem with guys who are going to get fired after one more year. They panic, spend all the money, get their well-deserved desserts, and leave the team in a shambles. I didn't think you could craft a situation where a contract for a Scott Eyre would be better than a contract for a BJ Ryan, but somehow Toronto did it. Moneyball will, of course, get all the blame.
2005-11-25 19:14:30
116.   Steelyeri
"The new man in charge of the Dodgers' baseball operations will participate in an online chat available only at and on Tuesday, November 29 at 2 p.m. PT."

Didn't see this mentioned yet. Maybe, if we try really hard, one of us will get through. It would be nice if we could make a pitch for... um, I mean ask a question about aquiring Brian Giles.

I'm going to get back to work on my hipnotic/subliminal message text program. Not that it has anything to do with Tuesday's upcomming chat. :)

2005-11-26 01:13:12
117.   regfairfield
112 Ortiz's career rate2 is 99, and his adjusted fielding runs above average is 10. That looks like not a bad first baseman to me.

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