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Get Your Gargoyles
2005-12-05 18:05
by Jon Weisman

Season 2, Volume 1 of Gargoyles, the Disney television series co-created and produced by my brother Greg, goes on sale Tuesday. Let me urge you to get your copy right away.

This new three-DVD set includes 26 uncut episodes. One of the most important and enjoyable animated programs of the past two decades, Gargoyles is truly worth owning. Genres aside, if you think anything of the quality of writing that I do - well, understand that I learned a lot of what I know from my brother.

Let me quote from this review of the series when Season 1 came out on DVD last year:

What was initially stunning about Gargoyles was the number of taboos it broke. People fell to their deaths. Guns — real guns, not science-fictional "blasters" — were fired. People bled. And there were lines like, "Pay a man enough, and he'll walk barefoot into Hell." It was surprising enough to see things like that in TV animation, and doubly surprising to see it on an American show, let alone a Disney show.

To the show's credit, all of these things were contextual and therefore not sensationalized; when the shock wore off, viewers noticed that there was an interesting story with interesting characters backed by interesting visuals. Characters weren't black or white, but shades of grey (the show features one of my favourite animated villains precisely because he's not evil, but coolly amoral); and while the animation quality occasionally slipped — normal for a TV production — the design, framing and poses were almost generally strong.

Sound familiar? You bet. Those are the same features that draw people to anime. In fact, the first season was largely produced at Disney's Japanese studio, resulting in an all too rare synthesis of Japanese and American styles — American character design and animation, Japanese economy, staging, effects and backgrounds. American anime? Maybe. A storytelling and visual delight, as well as a sadly unexplored new direction for Disney? Most definitely.

So even if you aren't familiar with Gargoyles, give it a look. You won't regret it. Gargoyles was an even bigger underdog than, say, Arrested Development is today, but it definitely merits a place in your DVD library.

(For more information about the show, click here.)

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2005-12-05 18:25:37
1.   underdog
"Gargoyles was an even bigger underdog than, say, Arrested Development is today"

I knew there was a reason I liked both shows! ;-)

2005-12-05 18:30:52
2.   caseybarker
2005-12-05 18:35:43
3.   Spageticus
I seem to recall a weekly poll conducted by TV Guide in the 90s that sought to identify the top cartoons. I don't know if it won overall, but Gargoyles enjoyed a long winning streak that included beating out my favorite, Batman the Animated Series.

It was a very creative show.

2005-12-05 18:56:54
4.   trainwreck
I noticed Jon, your brother worked on GEM. I had a crush on her as a young child.
2005-12-05 19:00:12
5.   trainwreck
Jeff Weaver's agent, Scott Boras, is talking to the Angels, The Associated Press reports. Hector Carrasco may still end up in the bullpen. The Angels are going to spend the money they have and it doesn't look like an upgrade in center field is on the way, so Weaver wouldn't be a bad choice. He's not going to block Casey Kotchman. Dec. 5 - 9:23 pm et Source: The Associated Press
2005-12-05 19:11:00
6.   Bob Timmermann

This is story is more interesting when you look at the byline.

2005-12-05 19:17:52
7.   Telemachos
Neat stuff, Jon!

Something that I didn't see mentioned anywhere in the last few days of $$$ free-agent discussions.... a recent SI (I think it's last weeks) said that one reason the FA market has been so hot is that all MLB teams are getting revenues -- upwards of $10-12 million apiece -- from new contracts with satellite radio and internet broadcasting, etc. So consider Furcal's contract basically the Dodgers' chunk of that pie.

2005-12-05 19:30:53
8.   TheDictator
6 - This can only be good news for the Dodgers. This is proof that the Dodgers are not in limbo!

I know the article is serious, but you posted it on Dodger Thoughts, you had to figure some rear-end like me would make a joke.

The Dictator

2005-12-05 19:32:49
9.   TheDictator
6 - Are you refering to the fact that it was written by Tony LaRussa?

As a Cardinal, he must have some say.

2005-12-05 19:35:09
10.   Bob Timmermann
The article was posted solely for humorous purposes. It was just so bizarre on so many levels.

It's nice to know that there's a better chance that I will meet Jon in heaven now!

2005-12-05 20:01:52
11.   trainwreck
Gurnick's new article at says we are still interested in Pierre...uhhhhhhhh why? Colletti says speed is undervalued which is why Furcal was so important (I guess that answers the Pierre question). Also Colletti said we told Kent to just be open minded and there is a lot that can happen and the most important thing is that Kent is on a winning team (interesting comments if you ask me). The article also says we may be asking for Saarloos for Bradley.
2005-12-05 20:07:34
12.   trainwreck
Maybe Gillick reads this website...
ESPN Insider is saying the Dodgers are talking with the Phillies about ODP + top prospect for a power hitter (could it be Abreu?).
2005-12-05 20:16:29
13.   TheDictator
I saw the Pirates might be interested in Bradley. Trade Bradley for Zach Duke!
2005-12-05 20:20:35
14.   trainwreck
Some Sacramento and Bay Area radio stations reporting Bradley to A's for Saarloos and Mario Ramos is a done deal. Ramos is not much of a prospect btw.
2005-12-05 20:22:00
15.   TheDictator
For the record, I think we should trade Kent instead of Bradley. Kent is gone after next season anyway. Why lose Bradley to make Kent happy. Its too bad Bradley seems to have worn out his welcome.

I also think we should give the Reds whatever they want for Adam Dunn. The Reds need pitching. But with their ballpark it doesn't matter who is on the mound. Either way we win, they lose.

2005-12-05 20:23:45
16.   natepurcell
ESPN Insider is saying the Dodgers are talking with the Phillies about ODP + top prospect for a power hitter (could it be Abreu?).
whats the link for that?
2005-12-05 20:23:55
17.   Steve
14 -- How did we get from Kennedy to Sarloos?! Kennedy was kind of interesting. Sarloos is the five inning equivalent of Scott Stewart.
2005-12-05 20:24:26
18.   natepurcell
jk, i found it.
2005-12-05 20:26:00
19.   Uncle Miltie
Bradley for Kip Wells? That would help both teams...much better than the proposed trade of Bradley for Saarloos.

Odalis + a prospect for Abreu.
If the prospect isn't one of Colletti's untouchables, fine. My guess is they'd want Billingsley or Guzman though.

Ned, please:
--trade Bradley
--hire Fregosi
--trade for Pierre
--sign Jacque Jones, Joe Randa, JT Snow, Jeromy Burnitz, etc
-trade our top prospects
-trade for David Wells
-attempt to trade Kent
-give Choi a chance
-give Aybar a chance (though Mueller would be fine on a 1 year deal ONLY)

2005-12-05 20:28:20
20.   natepurcell
what are kennedys and saarloos zips for next year?
2005-12-05 20:28:25
21.   trainwreck
Rotoworld now has the Bradley story. Well as an A's fan I am happy, as a Dodger fan noooot so much. Saarloos will eat up some innings for us at least.
2005-12-05 20:32:59
22.   Uncle Miltie
Ugh. I'm an A's fan and I live in the Bay Area, so I'm glad that I'll get to see Bradley more. Saarloos is the type of pitcher that you invite to spring training, not guaranteeing him a spot on the roster. Kennedy would have been adequate. Ned probably chose Saarloos because he's cheaper than Kennedy. I'll wait until it becomes official before I analyze the trade completely.
2005-12-05 20:34:18
23.   the OZ
We seem to be skipping the "Gargoyles" topic to talk baseball. Oh well.

I might have been a tad to old to notice the cartoon, but my younger cousins absolutely LOVED it. I've seen a few episodes in syndication and am impressed, which is no small feat considering my undergraduate film degree causes me to hate most scripted programming.

What I most remember is that two Star Trek: TNG alums provided character voices: Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis.

2005-12-05 20:37:12
24.   TheDictator
I haven't seen this yet on rotoworld. But this could be due to my stupidity.
2005-12-05 20:40:11
25.   trainwreck
MLB section says there are strong rumors that Bradley is going to the A's for Saarloos and Mario Ramos blah blah
2005-12-05 20:41:12
26.   dzzrtRatt
6 " is not high on the hierarchy of truths taught by the church..."

I predict this phrase is going to catch fire in Washington, DC, at the United Nations and in Hollywood:

"You lied to me!"

"Well, I admit that what I said to you was not high on the hierarchy of truths."

2005-12-05 20:42:17
27.   natepurcell
i will be dissapointed if that deal happens.
2005-12-05 20:42:38
28.   Bob Timmermann

To keep it baseball-related, we'll wait for Camille Johnston to use the line.

2005-12-05 20:43:01
29.   blue22
I respect Ned for not caving into Beane and dealing the prospects, but doesn't he have to do better than Saarloos?
2005-12-05 20:47:36
30.   Uncle Miltie
27- that's an underestimate of how I'm going to feel if that deal goes down. I'm going to do what Milton did to that poor beer bottle.
2005-12-05 20:47:45
31.   natepurcell
well i guess this paves the way for kent for milledge+heilman :)

or.. drafting drew stubbs in june

2005-12-05 20:51:27
32.   Steve
What is Saarloos' contract situation? Would we actually have to pay him? Can he be DFAed or sent to Las Vegas?
2005-12-05 20:51:30
33.   natepurcell
ahhh if giles had signed, our offseason would have been soo much easier. sigh...
2005-12-05 20:52:08
34.   blue22
where's steinbrenner when you need him? he wanted bradley...can't the yankees do better than this?
2005-12-05 20:53:19
35.   Uncle Miltie
31- no, Ned caved in and is trading Bradley to please McCourt and Kent. Now we are stuck with an old 2B who can't play defense and will likely decline next year. We also don't have a center fielder. Hello, Jacque Jones (or Juan Pierre or Joey Gathright)...
2005-12-05 20:53:59
36.   natepurcell
quick, ask the pirates for kip wells.

saarloos is worthless. there, i said it. he is worthless. just DFA bradley if you are going to trade him for saarloos.

2005-12-05 20:54:39
37.   blue22
no use saving the prospects from zito and blowing them on pierre. I'd rather just waste money on Jacque Jones.
2005-12-05 20:57:09
38.   trainwreck
2005-12-05 20:57:46
39.   trainwreck
Don't forget Mario Ramos he is even more useless.
2005-12-05 20:59:38
40.   natepurcell
i love how we automatically assume the worst.
2005-12-05 21:02:23
41.   King of the Hobos
33 He's not worth much. 2nd or 3rd year base pay. I doubt he has options at this point. Looking at his stats, he's never been this bad at striking people out, although I doubt he'll improve much

Mario Ramos really confuses me. We already have TJ Nall, Harold Eckert, and Heath Totten, I guess we need Ramos to replace Mahomes. Vegas would have quite the rotation yet again

This deal seems stupid. This is the best we could get for Bradley? Not even a C prospect? Ramos is as non-prospect as they come. I'd rather get Walker from the Cubs, although he costs more

2005-12-05 21:04:00
42.   Steve
40 -- We went from Barry Zito to a guy who has an inverse BB/K ratio.
2005-12-05 21:04:34
43.   Uncle Miltie
just DFA bradley if you are going to trade him for saarloos.
No, if Bradley is traded I want to see him on the A's. We can always DFA Saarloos. Who knows, maybe he could become the next Paul Quantrill....or the next Scott Erickson (Dodgers version)
2005-12-05 21:05:31
44.   King of the Hobos
I was impressed that Ramos is actually older than Saarloos. There are better ways to fill Vegas' rotation

This trade would actually be slightly better than non-tendering him for the simple reason that we choose where he goes. I'd much prefer this rumor to be BS though

2005-12-05 21:06:15
45.   dzzrtRatt
John Sickels raved about Mario Ramos, in 2001.

Yeah, this trade seems so underwhelming, I can't imagine there's not another team who'd pony up more for Milt. I'm not so down on Saarloos, but for the trade to be equitable, we need more.

2005-12-05 21:06:20
46.   Steve
I just became a really big Joe Kennedy fan, something that I thought impossible.
2005-12-05 21:08:31
47.   MartinBillingsley31
This is a dumb trade and more proof that izturis will play 2b, sarloos doesn't strikeout anyone and is a groundball pitcher, ned will want izturis at 2b to suck up those groundballs.

On top of that juan piere is back in dodger rumors.

Old fashioned speed defense pitchers who don't strikeout anyone is back in l.a.

Now we are going to have a part depodesta team and a part ned team, just like last season its basically ned in place of tracy.

I'm gonna puke.

2005-12-05 21:11:32
48.   King of the Hobos
Kennedy put up either the lowest or second lowest ERA ever at Coors (3.59). However, Saarloos has the better name. I guess, if true, Colletti decide he needed to replace the coolness of Bradley's name rather than his actual playing ability
2005-12-05 21:12:48
49.   natepurcell
An A's fan on the dodger board said they are hearing sarloos or kennedy PLUS a top prospect. the guy mentioned ethier.

so just to instill some hope here, joe kennedy+ethier for bradley! get it done ned!

2005-12-05 21:13:16
50.   Uncle Miltie
Since we're going to need great infield defense, Ned needs to sign Royce Clayton now!
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2005-12-05 21:13:24
51.   King of the Hobos
If we need a groundball pitcher, can't we go for Marquis? He's an added bonus in that he can hit better than Pierre. We could go with Furcal-Marquis-Drew-Kent...
2005-12-05 21:15:58
52.   King of the Hobos
49 I could handle Saarloos + Ethier even. I don't have a problem with Saarloos as much as I have a problem with Ramos. He just doesn't make sense. Plus Ethier wouldn't mean we're trading Bradley for just Saarloos
2005-12-05 21:17:29
53.   Uncle Miltie
Kennedy or Saarloos?
I know that Kennedy is only under control for 1 year and he's going to make around $3 million in arbitration, so the Dodgers wouldn't be saving any money. Kennedy would fit right in with Ned's love for "chemistry" players, since Kennedy is/was an alcoholic.
2005-12-05 21:20:11
54.   dzzrtRatt
Ethier would be quite a pickup. Probably he would go to Vegas. Kennedy or Saarloos + Ethier is about as good as it's going to get in exchange for Bradley.
2005-12-05 21:20:45
55.   Uncle Miltie
Marquis gave up 29 home runs in 207 innings. He's not very good either, he'd probably be about as good as Weaver. Offensively, he put up this line:
.310/.326/.460 .786
I don't like the lack of plate discipline. He has pretty good gap power and runs well enough to play the outfield. So yes, I'd rather have him than Pierre.
2005-12-05 21:21:28
56.   natepurcell
if kennedy pitches good next year, we can let him go and get draft picks for him.
2005-12-05 21:23:27
57.   natepurcell
or, if kennedy pitches well next year...
2005-12-05 21:25:41
58.   Uncle Miltie
Looks like Ned is going to blow some more money on Bill Mueller (who I like), but I say blow because it probably going to be a 2 year deal:

Free agent Bill Mueller has narrowed his choices to the Dodgers and Pirates, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
If the money is at all similar, there's not much reason for Mueller to choose Pittsburgh over Los Angeles.

2005-12-05 21:28:28
59.   natepurcell
arghhh nomar> mueller.

but i wont complain, mueller will post an OBP of .350+ and that would nice in the #2 spot.

2005-12-05 21:29:47
60.   dzzrtRatt
Trading with Beane: It's ethier said than done.
2005-12-05 22:03:53
61.   dsfan
Lots of strong reactions to a Bradley/Sarloos/Ramos trade that has yet to be confirmed. Let's wait to see whether it's true. My guess is it's not wholly true.

As for Pierre, he's not my favorite flavor of ice cream, either, but here's one glimpse into why Ned would trade for him:

Durability. Colletti was quoted as saying that's important to him. And it should be, given the brittleness of Bradley, Drew, Werth to go with Cruz's severe back pain in 2005 and Ledee's balky hamstring.

(durability is among the assets of Coco Crisp, but I don't want to get that ball rolling again).

2005-12-05 22:05:47
62.   King of the Hobos
Rotoworld says Pirates are looking to sign Saenz for 1B. How long would he be able to last with Tracy playing him everyday?
2005-12-05 22:10:13
63.   dsfan
Mueller would be a nice add at one year because he's pretty good and you're not snuffing out Aybar.

Not expecting Mueller to replicate his .938 OPS of 2003, but he's still a good baseball player with good instincts and versatility.

Treat him right and maybe he becomes a deluxe utility guy while teaching Aybar a thing or two.

Actually, their skill sets are fairly similar: Switch-hitters who didn't show much power coming up the minors but had good contact skills, could take a walk and played both 2B and 3B.

My sneaking hunch is that Aybar, like Mueller, is better off at 3B. Aybar's a pretty big kid and probably will get bigger.

2005-12-05 22:13:07
64.   King of the Hobos
We really need to prevent this from becoming our lineup:

SS Furcal
LF Pierre
CF Drew
1B Kent
RF Cruz
3B Mueller
C Navarro
2B Izturis

Actually, this lineup is fairly similar to the White Sox last year, except Pierre is nothing compared to Iguchi. And there's the problem that our pitchers aren't as good as theirs.

2005-12-05 22:14:36
65.   Uncle Miltie
Olmedo- if you care about your health, don't sign with the Pirates. Tracy will do whatever he can to get your bat in the lineup even if that means playing you at 3B, C, SS, or CF.
2005-12-05 22:18:22
66.   Uncle Miltie
64- or (to start off the season)
Furcal SS
Jacque Jones CF/Clayton 3B
Drew RF
Kent 2B
Cruz LF
Mueller 3B/Jones CF
Navarro C
Snow 1B
2005-12-05 22:22:29
67.   MartinBillingsley31
Bingo, just as i've been saying.

There isn't enough offense on the free agent market to go along with our pitching unless we can sign morris and 1 of washburn, millwood (boras client), weaver (boras client).

And i don't want to trade our top prospects for offense, lets just keep bradley and go with drew,bradley,cruz.

Sign mueller for 3b, furcal ss, kent 2b, choi 1b.

Sign morris and washburn.

And have guzman mid season in case cruz/choi/mueller doesn't pan out or have billingsley slide in and trade odalis perez and maybe someone else like jackson or houlton for a legit outfielder/1b/3b.

2005-12-05 22:23:30
68.   bigcpa
Per Gurnick- "There also were indications that the Dodgers were speaking with the Phillies about a deal for outfielder Bobby Abreu."
2005-12-05 22:25:17
69.   MartinBillingsley31
So what's going on with the bradley deal, is it a legit rumor or is it just bull?
And who is involved if its true?
2005-12-05 22:25:44
70.   natepurcell
hey gillick, odalis= front of rotation starter in even years. next year= even year.

do it gillick!

2005-12-05 22:26:51
71.   coachjpark
I heard on KFWB this morning the possibility of a Zito for Bradley/Choi. What does this board think about that trade?
2005-12-05 22:33:29
72.   King of the Hobos
71 You could go read the first 200 comments from the last thread. But to save you about 2-3 hours, the board was fairly divided. A lot of posters thought he was overrated, others were willing to give up better prospects. No one wanted to give up Billingsley
2005-12-05 22:34:59
73.   Steve
71 -- The A's not only have a young first basemen who is possibly capable of hitting lefthanders, he actually did so last year.

64 -- If you took Pierre out of that lineup and substituted, well, anybody, it's not the worst lineup ever. But Pierre sure is a drain. One of those players so bad that his durability is not something to look forward to.

2005-12-05 22:35:59
74.   King of the Hobos
70 As long as Perez isn't replaced by Saarloos. Hopefully Colletti realizes speed and defense teams require more than Saarloos as the 3rd starter...
2005-12-05 22:37:04
75.   Steve
74 -- Good Lord and I just noticed that you put him in left field. He's better than last year's left-fielders? Well, there's an impressive credential. I think Zach Wheat's corpse is in that club.
2005-12-05 22:37:13
76.   King of the Hobos
73 What if I substituted Repko? He, um, supplies more homers I guess
2005-12-05 22:39:46
77.   King of the Hobos
Padres are supposedly interested in Kenny Rogers. Don't they know anything about character?
2005-12-05 22:42:26
78.   natepurcell
ned should see what the pirates are willing to offer before trading him to the A's for their trash.
2005-12-05 22:48:38
79.   Steve
I hate Preston Wilson. I would hold a ticker-tape parade for him if signing him kept us from trading for Pierre.
2005-12-05 22:49:00
80.   trainwreck
Please be Ian Snell please be Ian Snell. We will throw in Aybar, Tracy must like him.
2005-12-05 22:53:42
81.   natepurcell
ian snell is pretty short...
2005-12-05 22:59:01
82.   natepurcell
furcal said this is one of the reasons why he signed:

The pristine Dodger Stadium infield was a consideration. Furcal spent his first six seasons with Atlanta and looked forward each year to the Braves' trip to Los Angeles because the infield is the best in the National League in his estimation.


2005-12-05 23:01:27
83.   trainwreck
Give the field crew bonuses.
2005-12-05 23:03:42
84.   natepurcell
so its been like 5 hours since the "newstation" reported the bradley for saarloos deal.

since then, no reputable (espn, rosenthal, gurnick,henson, etc) has confirmed it.

which means.. its probably bogus.

2005-12-05 23:04:28
85.   Steve
Rich Hill for Austin Kearns. At this point, it's official. The only winning move is not to play.
2005-12-05 23:05:48
86.   natepurcell
wait, that was a trade steve?
2005-12-05 23:10:35
87.   natepurcell
i dont get it, why is rich hill so coveted and labeled as an untouchable. granted he had a good year last yr between AA and AAA, but he is 25 years old. he should be having a good year.
2005-12-05 23:20:35
88.   trainwreck
Because Cubs prospects are like Red Sox prospects...overhyped.
2005-12-05 23:24:17
89.   caseybarker
All they have are prospects...
2005-12-05 23:28:25
90.   caseybarker
Actually, I've seen Kearns for Jerome Williams and/or Segio Mitre.
2005-12-05 23:33:28
91.   trainwreck
Yeah I heard Kearns for Mitre.
2005-12-05 23:35:49
92.   trainwreck
Red Sox prospects tend to be overhyped mostly because of Gammons. I remember him talking about Hansen saying he was like Huston Street and would be the Red Sox closer this past year (he had just signed a contract)... a little off.
2005-12-05 23:37:24
93.   LAT
82 & 83. The irony is they will all be fired to pay for Furcal's bloated salary. In their place will be a road crew on furlow from the local detention center.
2005-12-05 23:50:13
94.   caseybarker
2005-12-06 00:12:26
95.   trainwreck
Just read the new Tim Brown article at Izturis is surprised about the Furcal move and seems a little perplexed at moving to second base. Also Colletti says the last person in the world he wants to speak for is Jeff Kent haha which I found to be interesting.
2005-12-06 05:44:41
96.   Vishal
actually, dodger stadium has long had the reputation of being one of, if not the best-kept playing surface in the majors. i saw an SI article from a couple years ago where the players were polled and DS ranked #1 for having the "best field" or something.

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