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Colorado Colyer
2005-12-19 15:08
by Jon Weisman

It was news to me, but had they wanted to, the Dodgers could have gotten back lefty reliever Steve Colyer, whom they traded to Detroit in early 2004 for minor league outfielder Cody Ross. Instead, Colyer signed a minor league contract with Colorado, according to Sports Network.

Colyer, who will be 27 in February, showed a lot of promise two years ago with a 2.75 ERA and 16 strikeouts in 19 2/3 innings, but posted a 6.47 ERA with the Tigers in 2004 and spent 2005 in AAA Norfolk. He struck out 31 batters in 27 innings this year, but walked 19.

Ross, who turns 25 Friday, is on the Chin-Feng Chen long-term Las Vegas plan. In all likelihood, he will start his third season there in 2006.

Comments (58)
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2005-12-19 15:23:11
1.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, two posts about Steve Colyer nearly simultaneously.
2005-12-19 15:31:19
2.   Jon Weisman
Mine came first, and I'm rewarded by being beneath you on the Hot from the Toaster chart.
2005-12-19 15:37:42
3.   King of the Hobos
Now we just have to wait for Mark to mention it as well.
2005-12-19 15:41:04
4.   Bob Timmermann
"The first shall be last and the last shall be first,"

The Gospel According to the Toaster.

2005-12-19 15:52:42
5.   D4P
"The (computer) Geek shall inherit the earth."
2005-12-19 15:54:55
6.   Bob Timmermann
But Jon added depth to the career of Steve Colyer. He provided heart. He provided soul.

I just tossed up a link. Jon's post made me appreciate the life that is Steve Colyer.

2005-12-19 16:03:42
7.   deburns
ESPN Insider says LA is out of the picture on Sanders, so the Loften deal probably closes out the OF picture. The Cruz/Nomar/Choi issue remains.
2005-12-19 16:12:00
8.   Blu2
Maybe Choi volunteered to play left field. Who knows, maybe he played it in high school. He's probably fast enough...
2005-12-19 16:15:56
9.   King of the Hobos
8 If that were the case, we might need to abandon the Saenz part of the platoon
2005-12-19 16:36:25
10.   Xeifrank
CMII'MW, but Choi or the switch hitting Mueller seem to be the only left handed hitting options at firstbase. I think the addition of Lofton (given a one year contract) would be a good signing and would make up most of Bradley's OPS in the OF. I just hope Nomah can hack it in LF... well, maybe hack isn't the best choice of words in this case. An OF of Nomah/Lofton/Drew and Saenz/Choi at 1B would be the strongest starting lineup imho. Now it may come down to who Colleti thinks is better... a platoon of Choi/Saenz & Nomah roaming LF or Cruz starting in the OF. This of course is ass-u-ming Lofton signing and Sanders not.
vr, Xei

ps - anybody know how many innings pitched were logged by left handed pitchers and right handed pitchers in all of MLB in 2005? I'm interested in knowing the split. Bob probably has it memorized.

2005-12-19 17:09:59
11.   Sam DC
no disrespect intended Bob, butthe sidebar has gotten sorta confusing under the new regime . . .
2005-12-19 17:14:08
12.   Bob Timmermann
It's an experiment Sam. Remember, we're a work in progress. Tell Ken about it.

I'm still trying to find the best link for a bulldozer.

2005-12-19 17:16:09
13.   trainwreck
Steve Colyer has his own post at Dodger Thoughts, that has to be the highlight of his career.
2005-12-19 17:20:52
14.   Jon Weisman
11 - What's confusing about it?
2005-12-19 17:21:52
15.   Bob Timmermann
Colyer was lights out in this game:

Too bad that Wilson Alvarez had given up 7 runs in the first two innings.

But Colyer was dominant for the next two innings!

2005-12-19 17:23:15
16.   Sam DC
12 am guessing I just did, although I realize he may be holed away cooking up some final humbugardy.

will be watching for that bulldozer pic. can't believe the oswalt article didn't have a better shot of the darn thing, Astros logo and all.

2005-12-19 17:26:14
17.   trainwreck

Washburn to Seattle is official.

2005-12-19 17:26:55
18.   Sam DC
14 Well, I'm a simple soul, but the different number of entries from each blog depending on their rate of posting makes it kinda long and doesn't really add that much useful info. If there's three griddles and one dodger thoughts, I know Bob's been posting alot, but if it's my first time logging on that day (you know, at 7 am, of course), I don't really know if I've seen all your recent posts (I just know what you've posted in the last six hours) so I still need to go to your main page and scroll down. not sure i'm explaining this that well, but have a child nodding off in my arms. I like the certainty of just knowing that everyone's most recent post is listed in the sidebar.
2005-12-19 17:28:47
19.   OaklandAs
10 Not exactly what you asked, but in 2005 there 121,928 AB vs. RHP, and 44,407 AB vs. LHP, so that makes around 73% for the righthanders.
2005-12-19 17:30:42
20.   Bob Timmermann
Sam, the "money shot" of the bulldozer is in the second link.
2005-12-19 17:35:20
21.   Sam DC
thx Bob -- what kind of farmer is that Roy Oswalt, anyhow? Maybe he's working that farm from Sleeper . . .

(not perfect for morning commute though; only 7.1 mpg)

2005-12-19 18:20:07
22.   Uncle Miltie
I really thought Colyer was going to be a good one; a lefty who can hit 95 on the gun. I think he's going to be a late bloomer, maybe figure it out in his late 20's, early 30's.

How about some other former Dodger prospects like Hiram Bocachica or one of my all time favorites, Luke Prokopec.

2005-12-19 18:49:40
23.   Bob Timmermann
Hiram's coming
Hiram's coming (Hiram's coming)
Well you better hide your bat, your stinking bat
Hiram's coming and the cards say .. a broken bat
2005-12-19 19:10:32
24.   MartinBillingsley31
I don't know if anyone has posted this but loftn is signing and izturis and choi are out of jobs.

2005-12-19 19:12:58
25.   oldbear
Looks like the Choi era is over in LA.

The only thing that can save this decision (of axing the productive Choi/Saenz platoon), is if Jose Cruz JR has a career season, meaning 30+HR's and 800+OPS.

Nomar looks like a defensive liability at 1st. I hope he can stretch for those wayward throws without hurting his groin, and that he learns to dig out throws at 1st.

This is a disappointing day, but a day that has been foreshadowed after the awful Milton Bradley trade.

2005-12-19 19:28:21
26.   MartinBillingsley31
The smart thing would be to have nomar lf, cruz cf, drew rf, and choi/seanz 1b, with lofton as a pinch hitter or platooning with cruz, but i guess not.

The only good news is izturis is out of a job.

But with the offense not as good as it could be, ned needs to get 2 starting pitchers, and i don't care if it costs money or blocks prospects(which it won't because odalis is totally tradable after this season).

We are going to need better than 1 of billingsley, jackson, houlton in our rotation, and please no tomko types, we need a couple top pitchers.

2005-12-19 19:36:11
27.   oldbear
I dont really think Ned Colletti has improved the team. More like rearranged things and spent more money, but not necessarily better.

CF is downgraded: Bradley>>>Lofton
1st is downgraded: Choi/Saenz>>>>Nomar
SS is upgraded: Furcal>>>Izturis
3b is upgraded: Mueller>>>Valentin

Starting pitching has yet to be addressed.

Eh nothing gives me alot of confidence with this new regime. If anything, we've downgraded at two positions, in which were also somehow paying more money too also.

Makes no sense.

Shades of late 1990''s-Pre DePo 2000's.

Maybe Jon or Steve have a more upbeat perspective.

2005-12-19 19:36:55
28.   trainwreck
Come on Weaver, only a little while before 12:00 EST, accept arbitration.
2005-12-19 19:38:10
29.   CanuckDodger
Billingsley and Jackson should be in the rotation. The lack of trust in young players with good to great upsides is getting pretty irksome.
2005-12-19 19:42:36
30.   oldbear
29. Why Edwin Jackson? He's been garbage ever since he got hurt after 2003.
2005-12-19 19:43:26
31.   MartinBillingsley31
If ned would have put together a powerfull offense then i'd be allright with billingsley and jackson in the rotation but
is not a powerfull offense

Replace lofton with choi/seanz and its pushing powerfull, but not enough for both billingsley and jackson, billingsley only, yes, but not both.

2005-12-19 19:44:07
32.   trainwreck
Because his injuries were little nagging ones that can be fixed with proper strength training and he worked out with Gagne supposedly, so I think those problems can be avoided. When he has his fastball, he has his confidence.
2005-12-19 19:46:48
33.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 27

Come on oldbear, you seem to not recognize the fact that all these veteran contracts are short-term deals, and none block the kids on the farm. And although I saw Choi as the better option at 1B, I doubt the difference between Choi and Nomah will mean much of anything. And there is at least some chance that Nomah could be quite a bit better than Choi.

Anyhow, what really keeps our team from true championship contention is our starting pitching, and none of the free agents available could have fixed that problem. We have to wait for the prospects to come up to do that, and Ned has made sure to get the stars aligned to let that happen by not making stupid trades.

And I for one don't mind the current regime's willingness to spend a bit more on veterans to protect the kids on the farm, as long as the contracts are all short term and don't compromise the franchise's long-term future.


2005-12-19 19:54:10
34.   dzzrtRatt
And there is at least some chance that Nomah could be quite a bit better than Choi.

It's quite possible, in fact, that Hee Seop Choi is this year's Alex Cora. Meaning, once Nomar starts playing, the idea that anyone would argue for Choi over him will seem quaint.

It's hard to let go of the dream.

2005-12-19 19:56:43
35.   Slikk
As much as I like Choi, I'm starting to want a decision quick. I tire of seeing his name.
2005-12-19 20:02:33
36.   oldbear
34. Not really. Choi/Saenz hit 30HR's 104RBI's and 800+OPS.

Comparing Jeff Kent replacing Cora/Hernandez is a real stretch.

Nomar has a high standard to uphold at 1st.

2005-12-19 20:04:55
37.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 34

I hate to see Choi go, but maybe a fresh start is what he needs. Away from the Jim Tracies of the world. I think Boston might be the perfect fit. Wouldn't it be ironic if both he and Nomah have great seasons? And it'd be fitting if that happens while Tracy languishes in Pittsburgh.

There might be a nice storyline for Nomah--local kid comes home to try to resurrect his career. I for one will root for him to have a monster season, but I'll also make sure to root for Choi, except when he plays the Dodgers.

The farm looks like it'll be intact, and Canuck might be right, maybe EJ will figure it out, and Bills could be a nice surprise. I like how Ned has stayed away from the contracts given to Burnett and his like. Tomko could be a good bet for the right price.

Players come and go, but hope springs eternal.


2005-12-19 20:08:42
38.   slackfarmer
33&34 "And there is at least some chance that Nomah could be quite a bit better than Choi." I think there is just as much chance that Choi could be quite a bit better than Nomar.

Ned has built an average club without losing key prospects. The club's success in a weak division will turn mostly on how often the injury bug bites. Of course Depo did the same thing for less money in 2005, but was very unlucky (I also didn't like the Valentin signing, but that's water under the bridge now). Hopefully by 2007 the prospects will mature enough to build a serious contender.

2005-12-19 20:10:24
39.   CanuckDodger
Billingsley's numbers in his final 50 IP in Double A are practically equal across the board to those of Scott Kazmir's final 50 innings in Double A before Kazmir skipped Triple A entirely and went to Tampa Bay. Pitching in the AL East, Kazmir posted an ERA of 3.81 this year, his first full season. The 2006 NL West is not going to be even close to as tough as the 2005 AL East. Billingsley would be at least our third best starting pitcher in 2006, ahead of Perez, and with a better ERA, likely, than Weaver ever posted for us, though he would not pitch 200 innings.

Jackson is a wild card when it comes to predicting his 2006 performance, I admit. His problems have been mostly centered around a lack of confidence, and the only cure for that is facing major league batters. I can see him following a Brett Myers early MLB career path. Myers had an ERA of 5.52 in his first full major league season, in 2004. One year later, most of you would sell your souls to have Myers on the Dodgers. Jackson has a better fastball than Myers, and at least equal potential. His upside is worth putting up with some rough outings as a #5 guy next year.

A lot of you seem absolutely intolerant of having to withstand even a little bit of pain to receive long term gain. I guess a lot of fans are like that. But it is the job of the Dodgers' front office people, as professionals, to take longer views, and resist the fans' appetite for instant gratification.

2005-12-19 20:12:48
40.   MartinBillingsley31
I don't think its a choi/seanz vs nomar thing, its a choi/seanz vs lofton thing.

nomar cruz drew outfield choi/seanz 1b
lofton cruz drew outfield nomar 1b

2005-12-19 20:12:50
41.   Sam DC
Jon -- to continue my sidebar musing. Now this post has been knocked off the sidebar by your new one, even though it is likely to remain active, while other doubles remain simply due to frequency of posting. Not a big deal by any stretch, but that's what I was kvetching about.

On the Choi thing, the article reminded me of your earlier comments about how the arbitration system makes works against re-signing your own players. The Dodgers might want to re-sign Choi, but may non-tender because he can get more in arbitration than they would offer. But someone else may then sign him at that same lower price -- not predicting how it'll play out, but the brief comment on this in the article called the issue to mind.

2005-12-19 20:16:36
42.   Andrew Shimmin
There is a chance that Nomar will be quite a bit better than Choi. But there's gotta be about the same chance of Choi being quite a bit better than Nomar (quite a bit better than Choi 2005, too). I'm pretty tired of seeing his name, though, too.

I'm not sure it's fair to compare Mueller to the monstrosity perpetrated against 3B by DePo/Tracy last year. It's not like there was any way porn 'stache was coming back, and every AB Edwards got is on Tracy. Compare Mueller to what Aybar would put up (no point quoting his 2005 numbers). Still a likely upgrade, but not nearly so steep a difference. Unless you weight it by salary.

2005-12-19 20:22:44
43.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 40

Agreed, but with that comparison, you need to take into account the potential that Lofton's possibly superior OF defense vs. Nomah in LF may make up partly for some of the potential discrepancy between his bat and a Choi/Saenz platoon. Nomah isn't a natural 1B, but I do think it's easier for him to play that position than LF, just because it's still in the IF. Choi was a big target at 1B, but his defense is statistically just average at that position. Also, Lofton posted a Rate2 in CF last season of 109. His career mark is 105. And Lofton's EqA of .288 was better than Choi's .275 mark last season. Choi has serious upside IMO, while Lofton is getting long in the tooth, so this is not the path I'd have chosen, but I don't think Ned's decision is indefensible either, and I certainly don't think this off-season has somehow been a failure.


2005-12-19 20:23:33
44.   Vishal
[42] it just hit me; choi needs facial hair. i bet he'd be taken more seriously if he wasn't so babyfaced!! hehe

i wonder what the correlation is between scruff and scrap?

2005-12-19 20:25:24
45.   willhite
Question for the gallery:

After a team signs a FA, do they have to keep him a certain amount of time before being able to turn around and trade him? I know the NBA has some sort of rule about this, but what about MLB?

2005-12-19 20:25:27
46.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 44

If Koreans are like Chinese, he'd just look more ridiculous if he didn't shave. I'm in my mid-20s, and I couldn't even grow a respectable mustache, much less a rugged-looking Darin Erstad scruff on my face.


2005-12-19 20:28:34
47.   King of the Hobos
45 There's a specific date, no sign and trades like the NBA. I believe it's sometime in June, someone will know the specific date
2005-12-19 20:39:46
48.   willhite
47 -

Thanks. With the amount of guys we have signed and may sign, I was just pondering the possibilities of moving some of them sooner or later if things hit the wall. Looks like we could do that before the trading deadline.

On the other hand, if we're really sailing along, we might be able to pick up someone from a team who wasn't doing well.

2005-12-19 20:40:36
49.   Jon Weisman
41 - Gotcha.

And re: arbitration - that's right.

2005-12-19 20:45:22
50.   Vishal
[46] he could at least do a porno stache or a goatee, i bet.
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2005-12-19 20:59:52
51.   King of the Hobos
The deadline to reject aritration is almost upon of us and Weaver is one of 9 guys who I have yet to see if he accepted or not. Somehow I doubt the 4 Boras clients in that 9 will accept (well, maybe Travis Lee, but I still doubt it)
2005-12-19 21:35:35
52.   King of the Hobos
Is there a reason no one knows what's happened with Weaver yet? I need confirmation that he's rejected the offer. I know these things take awhile after the deadline to be announced, but I'm just bored, and thus impatient
2005-12-19 21:37:26
53.   King of the Hobos
Oh, finally. He rejected as was obvious

2005-12-19 21:41:12
54.   slackfarmer
53 Bummer.
2005-12-19 21:53:55
55.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 54

Long term, though, the draft picks are more valuable in my view. Weaver wouldn't have been the difference maker next season in the rotation, anyhow.


2005-12-19 22:26:39
56.   oldbear
The Dodgers can still negotiate with Weaver through the middle of January correct? Since they did in fact offer arbitration?

I doubt he'll be signed though.

2005-12-20 00:25:28
57.   coachjpark
46 Chan Ho had some facial hair, but that certainly didn't do him any good....

I know DT posters might be sick of hearing about Choi, but he epitomizes what DePodesta was trying to build but ultimately failed in bringing to the Dodgers for a variety of reasons....

My prediction is that Choi goes to the Yankees... or perhaps he goes to the Giants, and we sign the "gritty" JT Snow to a contract that we would have paid less to in order to sign Choi....

2005-12-20 10:28:45
58.   das411
50 - Quick, somebody link to that cartoon of Choi getting his "hitting tips" from Mike Lowell!!

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