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The Wild One
2006-02-12 13:52
by Jon Weisman

Years ago, Night Ranger hit it big with this chartbuster about Grady Little's firing by the Red Sox ...

Grady Little
Oh the time has come
And you know that you're the only one
To say O.K.
Where you going
What you looking for
You know those boys
Don't want to play no more with you
It's true

Okay, that didn't happen.

But back in reality, a broad brushtroke of Steve Henson's colorful Times profile of new Dodger manager Grady Little today is that since leaving the Red Sox, Little has been reborn as a motorcycle enthusiast.

The next day Little bought a Kawasaki Vulcan 1600 Classic motorcycle, got the motor running and headed for the highway. In less than two years he has racked up 14,000 miles, mostly taking solitary rides, winding through the horse farms near his home, past the scarlet berries of the mountain ash to the west and to the historic coastal communities along the Cape Fear river to the east.

"He hadn't been on a motorcycle since the '70s," said Eric, father of Grady and Debi's two grandsons. "But it's really been great. It puts him at ease, it's more or less therapy."

It sounds beautiful, even serene. Yet to me, motorcycles have always been donorcycles - about as close as you can come to eating cancer for breakfast.

I get the allure of speed - I like to drive fast, I like to ski fast. But motorcyclists, so exposed, so vulnerable, seem to take that allure and turn it into a deathwish.

So in reading the Little feature this morning, with knowledge of past motorcycle accidents in my mind (including ex-Dodger hitting coach Jack Clark's crash and second baseman Jeff Kent's whatever), I spent a couple of moments wondering if this renewed passion betrayed some fundamental lack of sense in Little.

What do you think? Do motorcycles just get bad press? Are they no worse than cars?

At least Little wears a helmet.

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2006-02-12 14:39:54
1.   willhite
As I mentioned in the last post of the previous thread, I thought the article was very nicely put together. What did you think of the article, in general, Jon?

With regard to Grady's love of his bike indicating a potential lack of sense, I was kind of intrigued by it, since my impression of him before today was of Gramps sitting on the front porch in a rocking chair.

2006-02-12 14:40:37
2.   Linkmeister
No question they're more dangerous vehicles than Hummers, but in my experience (as a car driver and a former owner/operator of a little 50cc bike) the most scary aspect of riding a bike is that you're often overlooked by people in cars. I was driven off the road into a ditch once by a woman in a 9-passenger station wagon pulling into the main drag I was riding. I was going about 40mph; she was going about 5mph.
2006-02-12 14:46:07
3.   Jon Weisman
1 - I enjoyed the article, though I'm a little scared by Little's lack of repentance about what clearly seemed like a mistake in the Pedro game.

2 - Well yeah, that's part of what's scary. I don't ski against oncoming traffic.

2006-02-12 14:51:29
4.   willhite
3/1 -

I think that's part of his personality. Not that he would never admit a mistake, but that it's done and there's no reason to beat himself up over it.

Probably also the way he'll interact with one of his ballplayers after a bonehead play. It's overwith. I know you'll do better next time.

A manager makes hundreds of decisions in the course of a season. Some will turn out right and some wrong. We can only hope that most of his in 2006 turn out correctly.

2006-02-12 14:52:24
5.   Benaiah
I read on about how motorcycle clubs have lobbied state governments to get rid of helmet laws. Apparently the extremely marginal benefit of wearing a helmet in the case of an accident is offset by the increased likelyhood of accident due to decreased vision and hearing. I don't know about all of that, but I know that I have no interest in riding a motorcycle. Most of my childhood cuts and scrapes were due to spills on my bike, I imagine that the cuts would only get bigger if I started riding something faster.
2006-02-12 15:00:26
6.   Bob Timmermann
A friend told me this weekend about an ER doctor that wears a helmet in a car because of what he's seen.

I can't judge about how safe or dangerous motorcycles would be since my only attempt to drive a powered two wheeled vehicle (a Vespa scooter) saw me ride it to the end of the block. Then once I stopped, I couldn't figure out how to get the clutch engaged again, so I just picked it up, turned it around and pushed it back to my friend.

I've had my new car for 6 months and I've piled up close to 2500 miles, so I'm behind Grady Little's pace.

2006-02-12 15:07:20
7.   willhite
6 -

I can't believe it's been 6 months already Bob. I remember the day we all went down to the dealer to pick it up with you.

At the rate you're putting on miles, you probably won't ever need to buy another one.

2006-02-12 15:17:04
8.   Bob Timmermann
Counting back, it's only been five months since I got my new car.

I suppose I should get it washed one of these days.

2006-02-12 15:24:29
9.   tjshere
Motorcycles will always be inherently more dangerous than cars but you can certainly minimize the danger by how you ride and where you ride. I'd sure feel a lot safer riding in the rolling hills of horse farm country in Nawth Caylina than I would on the Ventura Freeway.

I gotta admit, I was less than thrilled with Grady's hiring, but the more I get to know about him the better I like him.

Maybe I'm a good ol' boy.

2006-02-12 15:32:49
10.   willhite
8 -

Don't be hasty. I'd give it a wash at 5000 miles or New Year's Day 2007, whichever comes first.

2006-02-12 15:40:36
11.   Andrew Shimmin
I think the fight over helmets is mostly about motorcycle riders preferring death to just massive head injury/quadriplegia/coma, the latter of which helmet use increases. Because it often keeps the rider from dying. Also, helmets aren't cool.

Anyway, you wanna live forever?

2006-02-12 16:04:39
12.   Linkmeister
"Anyway, you wanna live forever?"

Well, not necessarily, but longer than prime motorcycling age.

I wasn't quite clear above. My station-wagon-wielding enemy was turning into the road I was on in the same direction I was going. My choice was either rear-end her (I'd have lost) or hit the ditch with 100-year-old oak trees about 20 yards away.

2006-02-12 16:16:26
13.   deburns
Steve McQueen came to lobby me about not prohibiting motorcycle helmets when I was in public office in Sacramento. He was drugged out on something, suffering from cancer (although I did not know that). All the women in my office were gaga. My pointing out that we had to follow federal law on the subject were not availing (for some reason).
2006-02-12 16:18:41
14.   Steve
I don't need him to prostrate himself before Red Sox nation in absolvement. But when 2006 Dodger Pitcher X is melting down, he needs to pull Pitcher X. If he does so, he can insist he was right about Pedro Martinez until God tells him otherwise on Judgment Day. Actions are so much more lasting than words.
2006-02-12 16:22:11
15.   Andrew Shimmin
I've never been on a bike, and I don't have any much interest in being. In the first place, sure it's cool, but I already smoke, so I'm pretty well covered on that front. Plus, there's no place to keep as many books as I keep in my car, in a motorcycle. A side car, I guess, but that doesn't seem practical. It seem like it'd be hard to listen to the radio, too, while biking.

There are things that are more important to me than a long life. None of those things is a motorcycle. But, if a motorcycle is one of those things for Little, then mazel tov. It's a fair point to question his cost/benefit anaylsis on this point, and to wonder what it means for his analyses of other points. Which, actually, is probably Jon's point. Personally, though, it doesn't bother me.

2006-02-12 16:23:51
16.   Daniel Zappala
14 When did we get Pitcher X? Is this the big move that Colletti has been working on? Is he Racer X's son? Might be some good genes there.

Oh, I am so ready for the season to start.

2006-02-12 16:35:27
17.   dzzrtRatt
I've always lusted after motorcycling, then stopped myself for the reasons you say. You're just too exposed. I've known two people in my life who got killed on bicycles, and motorbikes give auto drivers even less time to react.

Plus, I've never quite gotten over Duane Allman.

The article made me like the guy and think he might be a fine manager, perfect for the veteran's day parade that will be 2006. But Mr. Ned might want to have a backup ready, just in case.

By the way, the story also had a little news in it, didn't it? The sequence of events leading to DePodesta's firing was rendered far more clearly than it had before. DePodesta selects Collins, McCourt vetoes it and tells DePo to give him a list of experienced managers, DePo does so without including Little, and somehow that action represented the last straw.

Maybe McCourt wanted to hire Little before he even came to Ned? That seems unlikely, but the story implies that McCourt at least wanted him interviewed, or at the very least thought a GM who didn't even want to interview Little is a GM who didn't belong on the Dodgers.

It's a bit surprising Collins is still with the organization under these circumstances. McCourt obviously has a problem with him.

2006-02-12 16:35:55
18.   willhite
14 -

What if Pitcher X starts melting down in the 5th or 6th inning? Do we bring in Pitcher MR (as in Middle Reliever)?

2006-02-12 16:40:34
19.   Steve
On this team, Pitcher X and Pitcher MR appear indistinguishable.
2006-02-12 16:40:57
20.   willhite
17 -

When I read the article, I didn't get the same slant on the firing as you did. My interpretation was that DePo said to McCourt, "show me anyone on this list who is as qualified as Collins". I didn't get the idea that either DePo or McCourt had even thought about Grady.

2006-02-12 16:42:01
21.   willhite
19 -

How dare you confuse Tomko with Pitcher MR!

2006-02-12 16:44:39
22.   Steve
My interpretation was that DePo said to McCourt, "show me anyone on this list who is as qualified as Collins".

This is how I read it too, and it reminded me of a few days ago when we were comparing Beltre to Drew.

2006-02-12 16:45:00
23.   Jon Weisman
14 - That's basically what I was trying to say in 3. I don't mind the mistake as much as I don't want it repeated. There's a gray area, and there's the obvious. I wasn't emotionally invested in the move, and I think the pull-Pedro decision fell in the obvious.
2006-02-12 16:46:37
24.   Jon Weisman
Could MR's real name be "Magnetic Resonance?"
2006-02-12 16:51:13
25.   Jon Weisman
13 - "...when I was in public office in Sacramento."


2006-02-12 16:52:26
26.   willhite
24 -

We could use a pitcher with some resonance.

2006-02-12 16:58:22
27.   Bob Timmermann
Pitcher X is indeed Racer X's son and legal heir. Carolyn Hughes is the illegitimate daughter of Trixie and Racer X.
2006-02-12 17:07:46
28.   sactofan
When I was 16, driving for less than 2 months, I pulled out in front of a motorcycle. I was distracted and thought I was at another 4 way stop, but I wasn't. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw the motorcycle immediately before it hit me and rocked my car. I left my car in the middle of the street and walked back to the intersection, thinking I had just killed someone.

Somehow, the rider managed to lay down the bike, hit the car with his tires and careen off my car without serious injury.

I ran up to the motorcycle, blubbering my apologies. The rider wasn't wearing a helmet, had a big shaggy beard and looked like how you would imagine a Harley rider to look. He looked at me through sunglasses with one shade popped out and said, "Don't worry kid...shit happens".

It could have been so much worse. I felt traumatized by it, and didn't want to drive for a while after. Motorcycles still freak me out a little.

I agree with Jon, motorcycles as donorcycles. You can't control who is on the road with you. Dumb teenage drivers abound.

2006-02-12 17:16:43
29.   Bob Timmermann
Veering offtopic, my brother asked me if Dick Cheney is the first sitting vice-president to shoot someone since Aaron Burr?
2006-02-12 17:19:35
30.   dzzrtRatt
If you don't count Lyndon Johnson pissing on a Secret Serviceman's leg, yeah I think so.
2006-02-12 17:22:20
31.   Bob Timmermann
I just wonder if there is a sign at the Vice-President's residence that was reading:

73,760 days without shooting someone

2006-02-12 17:24:35
32.   willhite
29 -

I didn't realize he was sitting at the time.

Probably would have aimed better if he'd been standing :)

2006-02-12 17:26:34
33.   willhite
I hear Cheney's invited Osama to Texas for a little bird hunting next week.
2006-02-12 17:30:25
34.   Andrew Shimmin
Hobbies, in ascending order of danger:

1. Hunting with Dick Cheney
2. Watching the game at a bar where people are allowed to smoke (second hand smoke kills!)
3. Motorcycle driving
4. Smoking crack
5. Leaving Pitcher X in too long when Steve's in town.

2006-02-12 17:31:26
35.   Bob Timmermann
Sorry to get the discussion off track there. I just found the whole thing weird, although the man hit is supposed to be OK. I just thought the whole story seemed to be out of "24".
2006-02-12 17:32:40
36.   Steve
As usual, I am underestimated.
2006-02-12 17:35:54
37.   Bob Timmermann
"Everybody underestimates, I can count on it," -- Richie Brockleman in "The House on Willis Avenue" - February 24, 1978 episode of "The Rockford Files"
2006-02-12 17:36:58
38.   Andrew Shimmin
34 revised:

1. Hunting with Dick Cheney
2. Watching the game at a bar where people are allowed to smoke (second hand smoke kills!)
3. Motorcycle driving
4. Smoking crack
∞. Leaving Pitcher X in too long when Steve's in town.


2006-02-12 17:37:26
39.   Steve
For one thing, why do I have to be in town?
2006-02-12 17:44:50
40.   Steve
For instance, let's take Bill Madden. Well, actually you take Bill Madden home, he's drunk again. But seriously, he describes Trevor Hoffman as "iconoclastic." Now, iconoclastic, as all my friends here at DT know, means "one who attacks settled beliefs or institutions." My question: from the context of the sentence, isn't it clear that he meant to use the word "iconic?" Or is Trevor Hoffman a "nihilist?" And along with his approval of Ned Colletti's shrewd pick-up of Milton Bradley, is it time to wonder why he has no editor?
2006-02-12 17:46:14
41.   deburns
25 Jon, I was the Secretary of the Business & Transportation Agency, in charge of CHP, DMV, Caltrans, the business agencies and 33,000 'crats. McQueen came to me because I was the senior policy guy on transportation. All the women in the office were gaga. I was less so because he seemed "on" something, perhaps cancer medication. (I did not know he was sick).
2006-02-12 17:48:38
42.   King of the Hobos
This is meaningless, especially as I don't know what radio program it was, but if you want some rumors about Colletti getting fleeced, here you go:

2006-02-12 17:52:30
43.   Andrew Shimmin
It's a good point, I guess. The true purpose of your posting the enemies list is so clear, now. You're like the guy who put up the website trying to recruit people to kill pro-choice Supreme Court Justices, aren't you? You're enlisting a team of assassins!

OT: A.J. Holloway may be a great guy, but this whole Q&A appearence has been dull. I haven't even been irritated enough to shout at the tv (except for the part where he explained that by his own estimation, hurricaine Katrina was a cat. 4, not a 3, as was reported). Q&A is, in every respect I can think of, inferior to Booknotes. If these people were worth talking to, wouldn't they have written a book?

2006-02-12 18:46:40
44.   Andrew Shimmin
It'll be interesting to see if deburns takes as much greif for his occupation as Marty has.
2006-02-12 19:26:08
45.   Bob Timmermann
Trevor Hoffman sort of reminds of the nihilists in "The Big Lebowksi". Doesn't he have that look like he's a cross between Peter Stormare and Flea?
2006-02-12 19:51:34
46.   Suffering Bruin
Just saw Jon's new post today.

I was driving my dog to the dog park, going west on Wilshire Blvd, passing the VA and I hear the sound of a skid, then some metal hitting cement. I look to my left and see a motorcycle down.

I pull a U-Turn and I'm one of maybe a half-dozen "good samaritans" to show up, including a doctor. The doctor tells him to remain calm, that he'll be okay and that help is on the way but what stands out to me are two things:

1) the guy was dressed to the gills in motorcycle wear--pants, heavy jacket, helmet, the works and...

2) he was conscious but not moving. His whole body was tense, doubtless because he was in such pain he couldn't even scream.

In a separate incident, my uncle by marriage damn near lost his life on a motorcycle; he ended up with permanent injuries. I hear riding one is quite a rush but I'll do without it just the same.

2006-02-12 19:57:15
47.   Bob Timmermann
Back in 1997 when I bought a new car (a Camry, a car not just anybody can own), I went for a drive up Angeles Crest Highway and on to Angeles Forest Highway and all the way up to Lake Arrowhead on the backroads (they were still open back then).

At one point, I was told by some motorcyclists to slow down and I stopped and saw a person lying in the road. Then a CHP officer went to his trunk to get a blanket and put it over the man. He had been wearing a helmet and looked to have been riding a very nice bike.

That event could best be described as "sobering".

2006-02-12 20:07:17
48.   Erik Siegrist
I could've sworn that line in the song was, "Play no more for you"... either way it's the best scene in Boogie Nights. Amazing how prescient that film was about DePo's rise and fall. I wonder if I can find a bootleg of his recording session for download somewhere?
2006-02-12 20:09:17
49.   Andrew Shimmin
Are we really going to let the gloomy gusses dominate this thread? C'mon, there've got to be others of the young and invincible set. Live hard, die young, and leave a beautiful corpse! Right?
2006-02-12 20:10:22
50.   Jon Weisman
48 - I always thought it was "Motor revved ..."
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2006-02-12 20:21:25
51.   Bob Timmermann

That scene in "Boogie Nights" was effective because it made squirm so much. All those firecrackers going off made my skin crawl.

2006-02-12 20:23:25
52.   D4P
I hated those firecrackers.
2006-02-12 20:30:45
53.   Bob Timmermann
Of course, I was the model for one of the characters in that movie:

Phillip Baker Hall's character

2006-02-12 20:45:10
54.   D4P
If you're an actor named "Phil(l)ip", is there some Hollywood Rule that you have to include your middle name in your stage name?

Phillip Baker Hall
Philip Seymour Hoffman
Phillip Michael Thomas

2006-02-12 21:04:41
55.   Daniel Zappala
29 Bob, absolutely hilarious.
2006-02-12 21:06:48
56.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The vice presidency may not be worth a pitcher of warm spit.
But a pitcher of warm blood, that's a different story...
2006-02-12 21:07:54
57.   Bob Timmermann
So far the only other VP who might have had a chance was Hannibal Hamlin who enlisted in the Maine National Guard during the Civil War, but was stationed in Kittery and likely didn't have anyone to shoot at.
2006-02-12 21:18:38
58.   das411
57 - So far? You mean Condoleeza is going to go after somebody soon?
2006-02-12 21:22:06
59.   Bob Timmermann
It's a little known fact that Johnny Cash wrote "Folsom Prison Blues" with Alben Barkley in mind.
2006-02-12 21:35:53
60.   Jon Weisman
Anyone watching the downhill?
2006-02-12 21:40:51
61.   D4P
Watched it earlier (on the east coast).
2006-02-12 21:45:58
62.   Bob Timmermann
I'm watching the downhill because I am guaranteed that Dick Button won't be speaking during it.

I really want to see curling.

2006-02-12 21:47:44
63.   Bob Timmermann
And what do you know? Live curling on at midnight on MSNBC!
2006-02-12 21:49:45
64.   Strike4
When he was v.p., I think Spiro Agnew shot himself in the foot a few times.
2006-02-12 21:50:46
65.   EricNus
I rarely post, but I feel like I have something moderately decent to add on the motorcycle topic. Nobody has mentioned dirtbiking as an option for Mr. Little. Grady would get all the great rush and scenery he does riding on the freeway, but the risk of collision is pretty much eliminated (provided he does not have delusions of X-games gold). Dirtbiking is a fun hobby, and could be cathartic yet not fatal for our new manager.
2006-02-12 21:54:38
66.   Bob Timmermann
Since it appears that no one here has made this joke yet, I would say that Grady Little's motorcycle riding is no more dangerous than Jeff Kent's car washing.
2006-02-12 22:07:25
67.   Andrew Shimmin
63- It's USA, isn't it? The women's biathlon will also be featured.
2006-02-12 22:08:41
68.   Bob Timmermann
You're right. It is USA. Thanks for saving me from a night of frustration!
2006-02-12 22:15:21
69.   Xeifrank
I remember sitting in the backseat of my parents old station wagon as a young child. We were passed by a motorcycle. The driver was weaving in and out of traffic like motorcycles easily can. I innocently asked my dad if it was legal to drive motorcycles on the freeway. He laughed and said it was, but it wasn't too smart to be driving one like that. About 20 seconds later the biker clipped the back side of a car 50 yards in front of us and was sliding on the asphalt. I will never forget his look of helplessness and the blood dripping down his face, as many cars (including ours) dodged out of the way.
vr, Xei
2006-02-12 22:18:44
70.   Xeifrank
The Paul Depodesta Dodgers just swept the Giants and opened up a 3 game lead in the Preseason NL West over the Diamondbacks.
NL West Standings
Team W L GB Streak
PD Dodgers 26 13 _ Won 4
DBacks 23 16 3 Lost 1
NC Dodgers 19 20 7 Won 1
Giants 18 21 8 Lost 5
Padres 17 22 9 Won 1
Rockies 14 25 12 Lost 1

Giants vs PD Dodgers
Pitching Matchup
N.Lowry vs D.Lowe ... PD Dodgers win 4-0
Game summary: J.Cruz drove in 2 runs, A.Perez had 2 hits and D.Lowe blanked the Giants on 7 hits.

M.Morris vs J.Weaver ... PD Dodgers win 5-3
Game summary: J.Kent hit a 3-Run HR in the first inning and J.Weaver took a shutout into the 9th inning.

M.Cain vs O.Perez ... PD Dodgers win 6-5
Game summary: M.Bradley reached base four times and H.Choi hit a 2-Run HR and scored three runs.

2006-02-12 22:53:03
71.   natepurcell
depos dodgers are really having a great start the season.
2006-02-12 23:48:47
72.   ToyCannon
Just got home and read Jon's column. Couldn't disagree more with him about his conclusion. I don't see the connection between common sense and riding a motorcycle. Riding a motorcycle like an idiot I can understand but that is about it.

On another note that other posters brought up riding a motorcycle without a helmet is done because of the feeling it generates not because it is cool. It has been 30 years since I rode a bike and it is still one of my fondest memories. Thank God it was before the helmet law came into existence. Thank God I was a child and was able to ride a bicycle before the helmet law came into existence. It is no wonder that children now spend all their time inside playing video games, fun which involves risk has been removed from their lifes by paranoid parents who are determined to protect their children from anything and everything, including life. Long live the Z Boys and all kids like them.

2006-02-13 00:05:03
73.   GoBears
Isn't it the case that helmet laws are at the behest of the insurance industry, which wants to pay for fewer deaths?

To me, motorcycles are like cigarettes. They're a matter of personal choice up until they affect others' well being. Which they nearly always do.

And from the perspective of the biker, I agree with TC 72 that responsible bikers are safer than irresponsible ones, but the greater danger comes also from the inability of other drivers to see motorcycles well, no matter how safely they're driving. I ride my bike a lot to commute, and have the same problem. Luckily, I'm not going nearly as fast as a motorcycle, and can generally stop much more quickly if I have to.

2006-02-13 00:10:43
74.   LAT
27. Have you not been following the press? Carolyn Hughes has been dating Chim-Chim.

And why is it that Speed Racer has become an iconoclast 40 and Kimba the White Lion has faded into animation obscurity?

My brother and I used to joke about writing a "Where Are They Now" book for old cartoon characters. For example, we had this whole bit about how Haji was the Men's room attendant at the Mirage Hotel in Vegas and how he wound up there after a fight with Johnny Quest.

(Guess you had to be there.)

2006-02-13 00:13:07
75.   GoBears
73. Sorry, should have said "bicycle" instead of bike, tho it was probably clear in context.

Geez, February is boring. I couldn't care less about the Winter Olympics or the Pro Bowl. College Hoops will get fun at the end of the month, and NBA (if ever again) not until April.

And of course, Spring Training is a still a ways off.

Geez, I just might get some work done this month.

2006-02-13 00:18:59
76.   LAT
The thing about mototcycle accidents is they always look bad no matter how small. Just seeing a bike lying on its side we assume the worst. It may be bad, but we never drive by and think 'oh that doesn't look like a big deal.'
2006-02-13 06:22:20
77.   dagwich
After years of riding I've been off motorcycles for years now. When I was living in LA in the 70s and working downtown in the summer at the Post Office, I'd ride my big old impressive 175 to Venice Beach. For a short time in 1974 Venice Beach was a legal nude beach (for maybe 2 weeks? Not sure how long) and it was very convenient to park the bike there amidst the crowds. Thinking back I was completely nuts -- wore cut off jeans and flip flops. No helmet, no jacket, no gloves, no boots. As the Car Guys say, I was unencumbered by the thought process.

Since then, I've had too many friends and family with accidents (resulting in death and reconstructive surgery) to get back on the bike. These days I commute to work on a bicycle and that's enough of a rush for me.

2006-02-13 06:28:13
78.   D4P
wore cut off jeans and flip flops


2006-02-13 06:40:16
79.   dagwich
78 Little help, please. Tobias who?
2006-02-13 06:46:36
80.   D4P
Tobias Funke (Arrested Development)
2006-02-13 07:46:59
81.   dagwich
Ah ha. I saw one episode, where I think it was Tobias that joined the Blue Man Group. Pretty funny, but I haven't kept up.
2006-02-13 07:54:57
82.   FirstMohican
Am I too late to offer my (second hand) motorcycle story? Good. My girlfriend came upon the scene of an accident at Slauson & Crenshaw where half the motorcyclist was under the car that ran him over and the other half... well... wasn't. Another one: My friend was speeding around in Westside Pavillion on his scooter and tumbled around a little bit and now needs cartlidge from a... donor!

I'd love to get a motorcycle or a scooter to cruise around the westside, but L.A. can't be the safest place. Some drivers can't seem to not run red lights and broadside the biggest buses in Los Angeles on the new busway, so why would they see me?

2006-02-13 08:36:45
83.   Colorado Blue
As a gift to myself for my mid-life crisis I bought a brand new 2003 Yamaha R6 (crotch rocket)... my wife wasn't too happy but my kids thought their Daddy on a motorcyle was too cool. Had it up to 146 on I-25 between Santa Fe and Albuquerque once.

Then one day after tuning it up and cleaning it I took on a putt-putt ride through my neighboorhood. I was taking a fairly tight curve at about 25 when I hit a gravel patch. I was wearing tennis shoes, shorts, and a tee-shirt. The bike and I sustained mostly cosmetic damage and I was unbelieveably lucky that I didn't put my hands on the ground and that I managed to keep my head up. After that experience I could no longer ride without being extremely uptight. To my wife's huge relief I sold it 3 months later.

I got off cheap. One of the lucky ones.

2006-02-13 10:35:53
84.   gvette
In LA, the equation usually goes like this:

50+ year old guy + big bike = mid life crisis

But back in the Carolinas, and other parts of the country without the daily drama of the 405 Freeway it's just a way for guys to have fun. Jeff Kent sure isn't going to LOSE money with his Yamaha dealerships in San Antonio.

But when the two worlds collide, like groups of bikers flying over the Angeles Crest Highway, bad things usually happen.

2006-02-13 10:42:29
85.   Andrew Shimmin
Motorcyclists are about 30 times more likely to be killed, per vehicle mile, than passenger car drivers. But, they're also about a quarter again as likely as four wheelers to be drunk when they have their accidents. So, if you adjust for that, and then adjust for the estimates of how many lives helmet wearing would have saved, you can get the number down to 10-15 times as likely to be killed as a four wheeler, per vehicle mile. If you don't adjust four wheelers for drunkenness and seat belt wearing. Which is cheating. But I'm okay with that.

Still, motorcyclists involved in fatal crashes are about a third again as likely as four wheelers to have had previous DUI conviction, more than a quarter again as likely to have had speeding convictions, and a third again as likely to have had a previous license suspension or revocation. So, even though motorcycles are almost certainly inherantly more dangerous, there's no good way to adjust, sufficiently, for the difference in the type of person who drives one, in order to to determine the difference in likeliness to die when a normal person is driving either.

Source (PDF warning):

2006-02-13 11:03:37
86.   Ken Arneson
2006-02-13 11:08:51
87.   dagwich
84 As a guy who lives not far from Grady Little's home, let me tell you that traffic-wise, this area is becoming much more LA-like (to my disgust). Rush hour in the Triangle (Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill), while clearly not as intense as anything in the greater LA area, is getting to the point where you have to pick the right time to traverse I-40.

The Pinehurst area is probably more like living in Ojai or somewhere a bit more rural than LA proper. Unless Ojai has turned into some sort of metropolis in the 25 years since I've been there.

On a side note, when did the freeways in LA start being referred to "The XXX" (XXX=Interstate number). When I was living there, it was "San Diego Freeway", "Ventura Freeway", etc. It is an interesting cultural shift in that everybody has embraced this new nomenclature.

2006-02-13 11:11:07
88.   Jon Weisman
87 - I always called the freeways by their names until I went to the Bay Area for college. There, it was numbers. When I returned home, I think it was still common to hear names, but now I do notice that it's numbers more.

I'd really be impressed if people started referring to interchanges by names.

2006-02-13 11:19:03
89.   LAT
87 & 88. I think its a Southern California thing. In the Northeast everyone refers to the interstate number. They even use the exit number, e.g. "take 95 south to Exit 11A." We have proably lost the San Diego Freeway reference becasue of all the transplants who come from places where they use numbers. My father still calls it the Santa Monica freeway. I think if I told him to take the 10 he wouldn't know what I was talking about.
2006-02-13 11:19:31
90.   Bob Timmermann
You can call freeways by their numbers in the Bay Area, but there is part of a freeway going up the East Bay past Albany where it's I-580 West and I-80 East simultaneously. (It's roughly from Emeryvile to Albany). The freeway is called the Eastshore Freeway officially.

Personally, I don't like to travel to West L.A. because I find traffic on the Christopher Columbus Transcontinental Highway to be a bear all the time. Sometimes from my home, I try go to Downtown on the Frank Lanterman Freeway. Occasionally, when I visit my aunt in Thousand Oaks, I hop on the Military Intelligence Memorial Freeway.

And that one time I got stuck in the Sadao Munemori Interchange!

2006-02-13 11:21:13
91.   Bob Timmermann
And the name of the freeway that uses Interstate 10 from Downtown L.A. out to San Bernardino is the Ramona Freeway. I refuse to use the "new" name. And I like to commute on the Arroyo Seco Parkway too.
2006-02-13 11:24:15
92.   LAT
If I told my father to take the Rosa Parks freeway he would ask me what was wrong with me. "I'm trying to get to Santa Monica, not Montgomery, Ala.! How did I raise such an idiot for a son."
2006-02-13 11:28:02
93.   Bob Timmermann
If anyone wants to fill a publishing niche, there are a total of zero good books about the history of the Southern California freeway system and how they were developed and named.

It's all pieced together from Caltrans documents and journal articles.

2006-02-13 11:29:58
94.   dagwich
You can see a difference between NC and LA. Here they name stretches of interstates after politicians who skimmed the most money (eg, "Tom Bradshaw Freeway") rather than civil rights icons.

James Taylor does have a bridge named after him in Chapel Hill, however.

Now I have to google Sadao Munemori. I guess work can wait a bit longer.

2006-02-13 11:33:12
95.   Bob Timmermann
Trust me, Sadao Munemori merits at least a freeway interchange after you read his story.
2006-02-13 11:41:23
96.   dagwich
95 -- Wow. You said it. I guess being stuck on that interchange was a good time to ponder his story.
2006-02-13 11:57:47
97.   DXMachina
94 James Taylor does have a bridge named after him in Chapel Hill, however.

In Rhode Island, they name bridges after other bridges, leading to the George Washington Bridge in Providence, and the Jamestown-Verrazano in, well, Jamestown. It's a lot like having the lesser Alex Gonzalez on your team.

There's no helmet law in Rhody (and I don't think in Mass., either). Both of my brothers ride and always wear helmets (they're in NJ). I stick with bicycles, sans helmet.

2006-02-13 12:03:36
98.   Ken Arneson
testing again...
2006-02-13 12:04:36
99.   Daniel Zappala
88 Surely you've heard of the Orange Crush? Yes, it would be harder to get the names for the less notorious intersections.

The oddest thing is that we now have a "Rosa Parks Blvd" in downtown Salt Lake City. Right near "Stockton" and soon to be "Malone" avenues.

2006-02-13 12:16:55
100.   LAT
97. The George Washington Bridge? Where is that. That's not the "red bridge" at the end of Angel Street that goes into East Providence is it. I would be embarassed to have spent so much time drinking under it not to know the name. I know River Road is now something very diffrent but when I was in high school that's where we underagers went to party before invading Thayer Street or finding a Brown frat party to sneak into.
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2006-02-13 12:22:37
101.   Jon Weisman
93 - Shoot, I'd do that book. But who will be my patron?
2006-02-13 12:39:35
102.   Colorado Blue
FoxSports headline concerning Weaver:

Angels sweeten the pot for Weaver

So it wasn't the money he was after, but rather another green item of "dubi"ous distinction ;)

2006-02-13 12:42:45
103.   DXMachina
100. Nope, no need to worry about drunken ignorance. The George Washington Bridge is the official name of the I-195 bridge between Providence and East Providence. The only reason I know it is because traffic reporters will occasionally mention it.
2006-02-13 12:47:51
104.   Vishal
when i first saw the sadao s munemori memorial interchange, i was inspired to google it too. pretty amazing.

everytime someone mentions the orange crush i always think about R.E.M.

[101] if i were a writer, i'd be all over it, myself.

2006-02-13 12:57:02
105.   gcrl

there is a lot of good info here.
i am in the transportation business, and there is a guy that goes by the name "froggie" who maintains a number of websites regarding highway history and nomenclature. he has contacted us on a few of our projects over the years. i think the site in the link is one of his.

i moved from oc to mpls about 8 years ago. out here, people use numbers, but not "the". they find it interesting that i refer to "the 5", but then talk about traffic on "94".

and on a baseball note, anyone know when dodger single game tickets go on sale ?

2006-02-13 12:59:42
106.   Penarol1916
In Chicago it's all about the names of the highways and I have no idea what anybody is talking about because I just think of them according to numbers ever since I used to be on the maps as kid for our road trips that always passed through but rarely ever stopped in Chicago. My favorite is the Adlai Stevenson.
2006-02-13 13:05:36
107.   gvette
Somewhere I seem to recall reading that one of Walt Alston's favorite pasttimes back on the farm in Darrtown Ohio was riding his motorcycle around his property.

Probably started doing that when he got asked one too many times why he didn't pull Stan Williams in favor of Drysdale in the '62 Playoffs.

2006-02-13 13:15:25
108.   GoBears
Angels sweeten the pot for Weaver

The question is: do you think the double entendre was intentional? I'm guessing it wasn't. Now, had it been the Onion, or Slate, sure. But for some reason, I think that might be too subtle for Fox Sports types.

2006-02-13 13:23:19
109.   Bob Timmermann
When I dated a woman from the Twin Cities, she also wondered about the use of the definite article before highway numbers. She asked me if it helped to personalize the experience.
2006-02-13 13:26:17
110.   Winthrop
Motorcycle injuries

When I was in med school, I spent a month working on the Spinal Cord Injury Reahb Unit. Lots of motorcycle injuries (the surviviors) The consequences of spinal cord injuries are just horrific. Not being able to walk (or use your arms) is just the tip of the iceberg of the misery that results. One day working there and you would never risk a neck injury again.

That said, the spinal cord doctors had three pretty good rules for avoiding spinal cord injury. Obey them like laws, so you'll never make a bad judgment call:

1. Never dive headfirst into any body of water, not even the deep end of a swimming pool.

2. Never clean your own rain gutters (or trim high hedges, etc). (Hire someone who has the experience, the right equipment, and is being paid well enough that he can go slow and not take any chances).

3. Never get on a motorcycle.

If you have a family to support, taking chances like that for the thrill (or the serenity) is hard to justify.

2006-02-13 13:33:49
111.   GoBears
105. 109

It's a common point of disdain for Southern Californians among Bay Area types as well.

The funny thing is, the number with the definite article is less "ordinary language" than the LA way.

"Take 10 to downtown"
"Ten of what?"

The Abbott & Costello possibilities are endless.

So lots of folks around the country say "Take Highway 10" or "Interstate 10" or "I-10." How are any of those choices better than "the 10?" The first two add syllables, and the last is inaccurate when the freeway in question is not an interstate.

As for etymology, my guess is that the use of "the" is an artefact of the aforementioned practice of using names. We didn't say "take San Diego Freeway" or "take San Diego." We need that "the." So when we started using numbers instead of names, the "the" stayed behind.

To me, using numbers makes a lot more sense than names, in that freeways change names so often. I like the lower knowledge threshold of numbers instead of names. LA has enough out-of-towners clogging up traffic that the last thing they need is another barrier to understanding of traffic reports.

2006-02-13 13:39:36
112.   Daniel Zappala
To echo the sentiment here, I have had several friends who got messed up riding regular bikes, never mind motorcycles. One was a great professor who mentored me at USC who later died getting hit by a car in the Bay Area. Another is a guy who lives down the street who wiped out on a long ride and is not the same guy he used to be. As a result I am a big supporter of bike trails -- Eugene is fantastic in this way.
2006-02-13 13:42:26
113.   Daniel Zappala
111 They use names a lot of the time for the "traffic" reports in Salt Lake City. I have lived here over a year and have no idea what they are saying. Thankfully, there is no real traffic in SLC, not when you've grown up in LA.
2006-02-13 13:47:19
114.   Bob Timmermann
If SLC called its freeways by numbers, then the reports would be even more confusing owning to SLC's street numbering system.

"There's a backup on the 15 all the way back to 4200 South 2300 East"

2006-02-13 13:56:45
115.   dagwich
111 Your reasoning makes a lot of sense. Although for purely nostalgic reasons I like the "inside baseball" aspect of knowing that "The 10" is the "Santa Monica" from PCH to downtown, and then the "San Bernadino" going east of downtown. But that clearly is a recipe for disaster for out of towners and others not in the know. Like myself these days, for instance--I've got the deer in the headlights look when I try to navigate LA freeways these days.

Is this (all the OT stuff -- freeways, movies, TV, etc) the type of discussion the old timers had around the "hot stove" when they weren't talking about baseball? Has the hot stove of old turned into a modern day toaster?

2006-02-13 14:17:08
116.   trainwreck
So in the new articles they mention possibly switching Nomar to third in the order and Drew 5th, because they worry about two left-handed batters hitting back to back in Lofton and Drew...

brilliant logic, move the best hitter down in the lineup because of Kenny Lofton.

2006-02-13 14:26:51
117.   Jon Weisman
116 - The thing I didn't get is that then, you have back-to-back righties in Nomar and Kent.

Why not Kent/Drew/Garciaparra or Garciaparra/Drew/Kent?

2006-02-13 14:27:47
118.   jasonungar05
116-Well it's also due to Drew's brittle like nature. As oppossed to Nomar's of course.
2006-02-13 14:34:15
119.   Vishal
[117] that's exactly what should be done. bat drew 4th.
2006-02-13 14:39:02
120.   Vishal
[111] i always assumed it was due to the cultural, physical, and practical significance of the freeways to the southern california lifestyle that they began attaching the article. of course it's "the" 5; it's really important, the most important #5 around. in the bay area the freeways don't have the same cachet, so it's just [route] 24, 80, 580, etc.. with the word route dropped off for convenience.
2006-02-13 14:41:10
121.   Vishal
[113] i haven't actually been in a traffic jam (at least what i know and consider to be a real traffic jam) since AUGUST, when i moved out of LA. the feeling of freedom is indescribable.
2006-02-13 15:01:21
122.   natepurcell
as for the L-L-L thing at the top of the lineup with furcal, lofton, drew... it shouldnt batter.

isnt only lofton going to play against righties? so wouldnt you want a L-L-L at the top of the order? When a lefties on the mound, furcal switches to the right side, but who bats second? certainly not repko... nomar? mueller?

2006-02-13 15:14:57
123.   regfairfield
I wouldn't mind seeing Saenz (starting over Mueller, who has OPSed .110 less against left in his career) hit second against right, at least when we have a fly ball pitcher pitching.
2006-02-13 15:15:35
124.   King of the Hobos
From that article:

Little said he prefers to go with a set batting order, as opposed to predecessor Jim Tracy, who focused on matchups and probably would have juggled his lineup even without the wave of injuries that hit.

If Little is convinced he needs a set order, then wouldn't he just replace Lofton with Repko in the 2nd spot? Basically, our only hope against Repko batting 2nd is Ross or Young winning the Lofton platoon/5th OF spot

2006-02-13 15:24:02
125.   natepurcell
who knows, maybe repko figured out how to lay off of the breaking ball away during the winter...
2006-02-13 15:30:43
126.   D4P
Steve would still hate him.
2006-02-13 15:38:51
127.   Bob Timmermann
The 2003 Red Sox were pretty regular in the top 4 with Damon-Walker-Garciaparra-Ramirez, but after that Little mixed and matched his personnel. Mueller batted all over the place. Millar went between 6 and 7 depeding if Nixon was playing. Ortiz would bat 5th. Varitek batted mostly 9th.
2006-02-13 15:43:03
128.   Colorado Blue
125 - Any Ja(y)son in the top 5 spots of the order would not make sense.
2006-02-13 15:43:52
129.   Steve
125 - Any Ja(y)son in the top 9 spots of the order would not make sense.
2006-02-13 15:57:32
130.   Andrew Shimmin
I'm not going to get too sentimental
like those other sticky valentines,
'cause I don't know if you've been laying off the breaking ball.
I only know you're in Tracy's shrine.
Ja-a-ason, I've joined to plot to ki-ill you.
Oh, Ja-a-ason, my aim is true.
2006-02-13 16:01:34
131.   King of the Hobos
Of course, Tracy now gets to taint what is possibly the best current Jason in the league. If only we could swap Repko for Bay, and force him to be referred to as Raymond Bay
2006-02-13 16:03:41
132.   Doug N
127 Is anybody else concerned that the best indicator for the 2006 Dodgers is the 2004 Red Sox (minus Manny, Ortiz, and Pedro of course)??
2006-02-13 16:03:56
133.   D4P
If only we could swap Repko for Bay

At this point, I'd be happy with Repko for Vorhees

2006-02-13 16:09:00
134.   overkill94
Wasn't a Lofton platoon kind of contigent on Werth being the platoon partner? Unless Lofton is just plain horrible against lefties, you might as well stick with him than try to let Repko embarass himself some more.
2006-02-13 16:31:07
135.   FirstMohican
Sounds to me like you guys might be interested in making a contribution to the Buy-Repko-A-Harley Fund. 100 bucks makes you a Platinum Member, where the only benifit is knowing you've decreased the chance that he'll end up at the top of the order.
2006-02-13 16:37:10
136.   dsfan
Little will be lucky if has eight major league hitters to fill out a lineup card, but since we're living in a hypothetical world -- one in which Kent, Drew, Nomar and Lofton are all healthy -- I'm against batting Drew fifth.

Assuming he's healthy and feels like playing, Drew's the best offensive player on the team and should bat third. You probably want him batting as often as possible while he's actually available. He's probably even more suited for the No. 2 spot, but I guess you go with Mueller or Lofton there.

More often than not, Little's choices will be winnowed for him by the availability of his players.

I'd also give out cortisone pre-emptively to help these guys get through the season's first half. Maybe some of the younger players will be ready in the second half when half the brittle vets are hurt.

2006-02-13 16:49:36
137.   Brendan
If you have two or three freeways or highways in an area you can call them by name "san diego freeway" if you have 30 of them you need go to a numbering system.

That is why the switch has gone from name to number, IMO. Now that I have settled that, I can't believe Wed pitchers and catchers report. Because of this website my interest in the dodgers is all consuming and need actual baseball to discuss. I watched the Carib. WS this year to see Oscar Robles play for Mexico. That's a cry for help.

2006-02-13 16:55:35
138.   Bob Timmermann
Mexico didn't fare well in the Caribbean Series and Robles didn't play winter ball until the Series started.

As for freeway names, I know them all. If there were more people like me in Southern California, we wouldn't have this problem of not knowing which freeway is which.

That problem would be replaced by a whole other set of problems.

2006-02-13 17:12:39
139.   Daniel Zappala
138 Chief among them: No one would get any work done because we would all be busy pondering Carolyn Hughes' relationship to Racer X and figuring out how many Vice Presidents have shot someone while in office. The world would be a funnier place though.
2006-02-13 17:16:05
140.   FirstMohican
I think (some or all of) the freeways were named based on where they would take you from Downtown. As downtown became less and less the center of LA, the convention made a little less sense. Combine that with the point in 137 and it becomes clearer why it's probably easier for someone coming from the Westside going to the Eastside to say they're taking the "10 West" instead of the "Santa Monica Freeway."

I don't know this for sure but I'd assume that some streets were named for where they'd take you from the Downtown area (Venice Blvd., Santa Monica Blvd., Long Beach Blvd.).

Bob, you mentioned that there's no good book on the history of the freeway system in LA, but can you recommend any good general LA transportation books? (I'll offer a possible reason for there not being a good FWY book: I'm guessing that most transportation historians/enthusiasts are more fascinated with mass transit than they are with freeways.)

2006-02-13 17:18:01
141.   FirstMohican
140 - uhh... "10 East," excuse me.
2006-02-13 17:21:29
142.   Bob Timmermann
Most of the good books on L.A. transportation are books about the Red Cars and they tend to be photo books. You can read books about urban planning regarding L.A.

But if there is a definitive book on this topic, I'm still waiting.

There is a book titled "Los Angeles and the Automobile" by Scott Bottles written in 1987 which does a good job explaining why the Red Cars died out (not a conspiracy by GM or even Judge Doom).

2006-02-13 17:59:34
143.   Sam DC
There are a bunch of books about William Mulholland -- he built Mulholland Drive, though that's not what he's famous for. (Think water.) The one I read was called Rivers in the Desert -- it was OK, but I had the sense that a much better book had probably been written about the same stuff by someone else.
2006-02-13 18:11:40
144.   D4P
The other book might be "Cadillac Desert"
2006-02-13 18:17:26
145.   deburns
When what is now usually called the 105 was called the Century Freeway, and it became so embroiled in controversy over both the routing (and the alleged racism thereof) as well as the issue of housing the displaced, Caltrans began calling it the hardly euphonious "El Segundo-Norwalk Freeway." After several years of cooling off, the current Century Freeway name was revived. And who calls the 605 the San Gabriel River Freeway?
2006-02-13 18:32:31
146.   natepurcell

From Jayson Stark's "Chat Wrap" on ESPN Insider -

Yanal (NY): Jayson, Do you see the mets making any deals to get another SP? Weaver possibly?

Jayson Stark: Omar Minaya is always looking. But the question I've heard from other teams lately is: What does he have left to trade for someone like Zito or Contreras? Other than Lastings Milledge, the Mets have traded away virtually all of their advanced, high-ceiling prospects. In fact, there's a lot of surprise they included Tim Hamulack, along with Jae Seo, in that Duaner Sanchez trade. I remember someone saying last year that Hamulack was the best-looking pitcher in the whole International League. So you know Omar has the will to make a big deal. But does he have a way to make it, without significantly weakening his big-league team or what's left of his system?

can hamulack actually be a sleeper?

2006-02-13 18:43:52
147.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the signs on the 105 Freeway actually say it's the Glenn Anderson Freeway.
2006-02-13 19:01:47
148.   Brendan
146 This is from MLB website about Hamulack

"The soon-to-turn 29-year-old left-handed pitcher couldn't have done much more in the Minor Leagues in 2005. He had a 1.26 ERA in 21 games (28 2/3 innings) in Double-A and a 1.02 ERA in 28 games (35 1/3 innings) in Triple-A."

2006-02-13 19:29:34
149.   Vishal
[141] you mean the san bernadino freeway? :)
2006-02-13 19:49:26
150.   Bob Timmermann
It's easy to conceive of I-10 as two separate freeways in Southern California because if you drive from Santa Monica into Downtown, you have to go up to the 101 and then over to get to the San Bernardino Freeway part of I-10. If you don't do that, you end up on the 60. (SR 60 for those scoring at home).
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2006-02-13 20:01:42
151.   Colorado Blue
129 - I left the other 4 spots available just so you would make that comment...
2006-02-13 20:03:27
152.   King of the Hobos
138 You sure that Robles didn't play until the series? Because Navajoa seemed to have a SS by the name of Oscar Robles play for them (batted .247/.330/.320 in 97 ABs). I suppose there could be another Oscar Robles (with those stats, I'm hoping there is), especially as I'm having a hard time finding the birth date for this Robles on the Mayos' website
2006-02-13 20:20:35
153.   King of the Hobos
Dunn got a 2 year, $18 mil contract with a $13 mil club option from the Reds. This surprises me a little as far as Dunn is concerned, especially the club option. If he hits like he's capable of (50+ homers, .400 OBP), he could have easily gotten a nice long term deal in 2 seasons. Maybe he's just more loyal than most ball players...
2006-02-13 20:43:48
154.   GravyLittle
Do you guys think that the lineup and pitching rotation is set or does colletti have something up his sleeve?
2006-02-13 20:57:18
155.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
95 - Dulce et Decorum est pro Munemori?
2006-02-13 20:59:10
156.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe I misread the story about Robles since it was in Spanish. He sounded like he was just going to play in the Caribbean Series for the first time and asked the Dodgers for permission. It could have been that the was asking the Dodgers to extend the amount of time he could play.

All the teams in the Caribbean Series were adding players before the series started.

2006-02-13 21:26:30
157.   natepurcell
harold eckert of the dodgers was named to BA's all winter league team. now my question is, who is harold eckert?

2006-02-13 21:27:20
158.   Vishal
[150] or wthe pomona freeway for those of you who like to use the names instead.
2006-02-13 21:51:10
159.   King of the Hobos
157 What? You're not familiar with one of Vegas' big 4? Heath Totten, TJ Nall, Harold Eckert, and Tom Farmer. Farmer has been more of a reliever, and I think he was injured last year, but they have become the backbone of Vegas' pitching staff. They're all mid 20's AAAA pitchers, but will soon be usurped by the prospects
2006-02-13 21:52:05
160.   Andrew Shimmin
Was Eckert part of the Ishii/Phillips trade?
2006-02-13 21:58:05
161.   Steve
Wasn't Harold Eckert the commissioner of baseball?
2006-02-13 22:00:28
162.   Bob Timmermann
That was William "Spike" Eckert.
2006-02-13 22:07:30
163.   King of the Hobos
Eckert, Totten, and Nall were drafted by the Dodgers. Farmer came with Jason Frasor for Hiram Bocachica
2006-02-13 23:00:46
164.   Linkmeister
I might have known Sadao Munemori was a member of the 442nd. It seems like there's one remembrance per week for those guys out here. They're a (deservedly) big deal in Hawai'i.
2006-02-13 23:18:09
165.   das411
um...two of the kids down the hall are putting up a wall of duct tape on another room's door. that should be a nice pleasant surprise for when those dudes wake up...gotta love dorm life!

on topic: 153 - Hobos, when does Griffey's contract expire?

2006-02-13 23:21:24
166.   natepurcell
i had dorm life last year, thank god that is now over with.
2006-02-13 23:53:26
167.   Andrew Shimmin
"The 28-year-old [Eckert] is another success story of Tommy John surgery, which he had in 1999 after blowing out his elbow in the last start of his senior year at Florida International. The Dodgers drafted Eckert in the 19th round but didn't sign him after discovering the injury.

"After more than a year of rehabilitation, Eckert signed with the New York Mets in 2001 and was sent to the Dodgers in a trade last year."

2006-02-14 00:04:13
168.   overkill94
146 FWIW, ranked Hamulak our 19th best prospect, ahead of more familiar names like Jose Diaz, Travis Denker, Corey Dunlap, Justian Ruggiano, and John Raglani. I couldn't tell you how reliable this site is since I didn't subscribe, but it has to say something at least.

I don't know if this has been brought up, but whose stats do have up for their spring training preview instead of Furcal? I'll be mad if I find out Furcal only had 27 RBI last year.

2006-02-14 01:44:44
169.   bhsportsguy
168-Don't be mad
Rafael Furcal Runs/RBIS last 3 years
2003 130 R/61 RBI
2004 103 R/59 RBI
2005 100 R/58 RBI
2006-02-14 07:26:00
170.   King of the Hobos
165 It ends after 2008, but there's a team option for 2009 with a $4 mil buyout. However, the Reds will be paying Griffey deferred money for the next two decades

167 He was part of the 2004 Vegas squad, hence I just assumed we had had him a little longer. Guess I really should look at his history before 2004. He was acquired that spring as a roster filler

168 He became the 19th prospect almost immediately after the Biaz trade. I have a feeling they were compensating for the trade, as they never skipped a number

2006-02-14 08:25:16
171.   Suffering Bruin
Yeah, I know, it's TJ Simers but does anybody know anything about this? From today's column:

I'd hate to think you can't believe a thing the Dodgers have to say, but I heard the Dodgers still haven't signed Lofton or Garciaparra.

"You're correct," a Dodger spokesperson said. "We're still working on the contracts."

Maybe so, but there was also talk the agents for the unsigned players were giving consideration to filing grievances with the players' union.

I suppose rather than ask the principals involved, you can always rely on the "talk" as a source before printing it in the paper.

2006-02-14 08:55:45
172.   Colorado Blue
From Ken Rosenthal's column:
Tracy, 50, is in a good position with the Pirates, joining them at a time when their young pitching is starting to mature.

Just in time to confuse them with unorthodox arm-angle philosophies?

2006-02-14 08:59:45
173.   Suffering Bruin
172 These things have a way of taking care of themselves.
2006-02-14 09:11:41
174.   Jon Weisman
171 - It's curious. If were really something to be alarmed about though, I'd be shocked. Or alarmed, I suppose.
2006-02-14 09:35:36
175.   FirstMohican
150 - You can continue on the 10 past the 110, and at the 60 the 5 FWY is actually the 5/10 FWY for the stretch between the 60 and the San Bernadino 10. It's a longer distance than the 110 to the 101 to the 10, but I've found that it is sometimes quicker. The downtown freeway interchanges kinda look like a giant roundabout.
2006-02-14 09:44:47
176.   Andrew Shimmin
Worst case scenario, neither of them sign? I'm not sure which way I'm rooting. I know Lofton has some fans here, but I'm not expecting much from him, this year. If the McCourts are cash light and have to pick, I hope they go for Nomar, and put him in LF.

But I'm not getting my hopes up. Maybe it's a way of getting a free sneak peak at ST. If one of them comes up gimpy, then unforseen contract issues arise?

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