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Ethier, Saito Sent to Minor League Camp
2006-03-23 07:15
by Jon Weisman

If you care to chat about the UCLA-Gonzaga game, go to this thread.

* * *

Update (up top, for a change): Outfielder Andre Ethier and reliever Takashi Saito are the latest roster cuts, Dodger public relations director Josh Rawitch announced today. Rawitch also passed along this advisory:

The PR department issued a moratorium this week to Dodger beat writers on using "Status Kuo" when referring to Hong-Chih Kuo in their stories. It was pointed out that earlier this week, Kenny Lofton asked Kuo what the name of the player was that he had been hanging out with, referring to the minor league shortstop, Chin-lung Hu, who had played a couple games in big league camp. Kuo responded, "Hu," and Lofton replied, "The guy you've been hanging out with." Again, Kuo said, "Hu" and they went back and forth several times before outfielder Matt Kemp realized what was happening and cleared up the confusion. To all this, Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register had this to say: "Seo what?"

* * *

J.D. Drew loves L.A., and not in the sardonic Randy Newman way, according to Plunkett:

Drew said he never saw the opt-out clause as leverage to get a more lucrative contract after two years. It was a hedge against the uncertainty of moving to a new part of the country and a team he was unfamiliar with, Drew said.

Those doubts have disappeared for him and his wife, Sheigh, who gave birth to the couple's first child last month.

"I'm happy here," Drew said. "We have a home in Pasadena that we really like with new friends that we've made. We had some question marks coming to L.A. - going to a big city on the other side of the country. But we love it."

* * *

Dioner Navarro is likely to start the season on the disabled list, according to Ken Gurnick's notebook Wednesday. In that event, Sandy Alomar, Jr. would get the Opening Day start, easing Russell Martin to take the bulk of the starts while Navarro heals and than undertakes a minor league rehab assignment.

Also, the left wrist of out-of-options outfielder Cody Ross was hit by a pitch Wednesday, which will either cause or tempt the Dodgers to stash him on the disabled list while they sort out their bench. No word on whether Jayson Werth had any advice.

* * *

Can anyone who has been to a high school academic decathlon tell me if they are the least bit telegenic?

* * *

Update 2: According to Baseball Prospectus, Bill Mueller is expected (on offense) to be the fourth-worst regular third baseman in the NL ... but the second-best in the NL West.

Bottom 5 2006 NL Starting Third Basemen, by PECOTA Projected VORP

Player, Team, Projected VORP

Vinny Castilla, SDN, 10.7
Pedro Feliz, SFN, 11.0
Corey Koskie, MIL, 13.9
Garrett Atkins, COL, 15.2
Bill Mueller, LAN, 21.5

Comments (324)
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2006-03-22 23:24:28
1.   das411
HAHAHAHAHA! Did somebody just watch "Cheaters"??

I present the 2001-02 Montgomery County (PA) USAD Regional Champions:

So no, no we are not. At all. It's kinda funny, the same way the pix from the Adam Dunn trip last year were funny :)

2006-03-22 23:33:55
2.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Kendall made his major league debut on Opening Day for the Pirates in 1996.

Before a crowd of 41,000 in Miami.

Kendall went 3 for 4.

Against Kevin Brown.

2006-03-22 23:41:09
3.   regfairfield
For some reason I envision this ending badly.

"You know, maybe we should just keep Martin out for opening week, with all the hustle and bustle... You know, Sandy's hitting .300 right now, let's just ride it out..." Next thing we know, it's July 14th and Alomar has 300 at bats.

Is there any athlete who can't handle the pressure of an opening day? I imagine if you couldn't, you wouldn't be a professional athlete.

2006-03-22 23:44:12
4.   FirstMohican
I participated in my senior-year academic decathalon and can tell you that there are definitely a large number of hilarious and entertaining kids (intentionally and unintentionally). It could definitely be telegenic. At the same time, I wouldn't watch a show about it because I wouldn't feel right watching it.
2006-03-23 00:43:22
5.   oldbear
You know, Sandy's hitting .300 right now, let's just ride it out

Maybe Sandy Alomar will pull a Kevin Elster on opening day.

2006-03-23 00:59:10
6.   capdodger
5 Only if someone rejiggers the schedule so that the season opens in SF, and then only if the Giants decide to build and move to a new park.
2006-03-23 01:08:46
7.   coachjpark
I'm the Academic Decathlon Coach at Los Altos High School... telegenic? the event or the students that make up the event?

Kind of a random aside there, Jon... any reason for that question?

2006-03-23 04:12:27
8.   Sam DC
Is Danica McKellar competing?
2006-03-23 05:20:30
9.   MollyKnight
How many dudes are allowed to start the season on the DL?
2006-03-23 06:00:28
10.   Penarol1916
It might be telegenis in the way that Spellbound was telegenic, but other than that, I don't know.
2006-03-23 06:01:18
11.   MLKaplan43
3 - It seems that Martin's ability to reach base 40% of the time has lowered his value on Colletti's favorite new toy: "Little Tracy's Grit-O-Meter."
2006-03-23 06:07:24
12.   Jon Weisman
I meant, is the event telegenic?
2006-03-23 06:47:26
13.   Sushirabbit
8 ?!

That's even more funny, if Jon can get paid to go cover the event.

2006-03-23 07:23:39
14.   D4P
Was Roseanne telegenic...?
2006-03-23 07:30:14
15.   Jon Weisman
It just seems like in this era where pretty much everything's on television, someone should televise a competition that promotes academics. It would be a nice counterpoint to the high school football and basketball mania. Just something that occurred to me.
2006-03-23 07:35:05
16.   D4P
If people watch spelling bees, I see no reason why they wouldn't also watch other academic competitions.
2006-03-23 07:41:28
17.   D4P
At the very least, such competitions make good fodder for Cheap Seats.
2006-03-23 07:42:59
18.   Jon Weisman
And the thing is - I mean, I don't know, I've never seen one - but the academic decathlon would be less one-dimensional than the bee.

Who wants to get in on this - I'll work on securing the rights.

2006-03-23 07:49:35
19.   Penarol1916
I remember in junior high I got to be on TV for the geography bee, but I guess interest has died down, because I haven't seen that on TV in a while.
2006-03-23 08:11:22
20.   Marty
You need grizzled veterans to deal with hustle and bustle.
2006-03-23 08:17:02
21.   Woody
Never heard of an academic decathlon, but back in 1966 when I was a senior in HS we went to NYC to televise a show called "It's Academic" (a HS version of the then popular "GE College Bowl") and it seemed to televise quite well. The show was on for at least a couple of years and could be pretty exciting.
2006-03-23 08:20:55
22.   Sam DC
"It's Academic" has been on the air in DC since 1961.

2006-03-23 08:56:14
23.   gvette
Telegenic, or telepathic? The latter would seem to give somebody an unfair advantage, don't you think?

Glad J.D. Drew likes Pasadena. If the area is good enough for ace commenters Bob Timmermann, and Marty, it darn well should be good enough for him.

2006-03-23 08:59:43
24.   Bob Timmermann
Darren Dreifort lives in Pasadena too!

As for the Academic Decathlon, I think only the "superquiz" section is remotely telegenic and I think KLCS has shown it a few times.

But the clips on the news don't look telegenic.

2006-03-23 09:00:16
25.   Sushirabbit
I have to say I do have some nostalgia for Mu Alpha Theta competitions. We had a lot of fun. That said, I can't say that I'd be remotely interested in watching that, even with Danica involved.
2006-03-23 09:09:21
26.   Inside Baseball
As a former Academic Decathlete I can safely say that Bob is right on the money per usual. When I aired on the KLCS broadcast for the Superquiz in 1990 it was remotely telegenic. Seriously, only that event and the event in Speech would be worth watching, the other events are all written tests, if it's still using the same format. But I do think you could be on to something Jon.

As for JD Drew's comments, I'm happy to read them and hope that a monster season forces him to have to reassess at years' end.

2006-03-23 09:10:32
27.   Bob Timmermann
"Status Kuo" doesn't make sense since the name is pronounced "Gau".

Check the pronunciations for the Chinese Taipei squad.

2006-03-23 09:11:53
28.   Bob Timmermann
I should say the name is pronounced "Go" and not "Gau".

I copied from the wrong line.

2006-03-23 09:17:29
29.   Inside Baseball
right on the money per usual...
2006-03-23 09:17:51
30.   Jon Weisman
2 - I was thinking how Repko did well in the home opener last year, but that's an even better example.
2006-03-23 09:18:16
31.   Kayaker7
"Seo" is mispronounced by most people. It should be pronounced like the English word, "song," but with a much softer "s," as when you say, "swallow."
2006-03-23 09:20:14
32.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Still, Status Go rhymes, and is kind of cute.
2006-03-23 09:24:01
33.   kegtron
I think Alex Cora lived (lives?) in Pasadena too. My brother ran into him and his wife/gf at Ralph's on Lake Ave. the day after he suffered a concussion. My bro accidentally called him Joey, and his wife/gf got pretty pissed.
2006-03-23 09:25:15
34.   subclub
I don't know about you guys, but one look at this photo of Milton Bradley is making me miss the guy already:

(Not to derail the conversation)

2006-03-23 09:32:14
35.   Jon Weisman
31 - Is the "s" in "swallow" softer than the "s" in "song"?
2006-03-23 09:33:02
36.   kegtron
Check out this 2002 clip of the top mound charges. It pumped me up this morning.

Highlights: MoVaughn saving Sele's life, Weaver getting absolutely pummeled and of course Pedro making an appearance. Izzy Alcantara is a crazy crazy man.

2006-03-23 09:36:04
37.   gvette
Martin will follow in the footsteps of Scioscia whose MLB career started in the first week of the '80 season as an emergency call up because all the Dodger catchers (Yeager/Ferguson) got hurt. IIRC, they even had to use Derrel Thomas at catcher until Scioscia arrived.

Does this mean that 25 years from now, Martin will gain 50 lbs and manage the Angels?

2006-03-23 09:40:20
38.   Jon Weisman
I went to one of the Derrel Thomas at catcher games - that was exciting.

Today's starting lineup, per Inside the Dodgers:

Furcal, SS; Cruz, CF; Drew, RF; Kent, 2B; Guzman, LF; Choi, 1B; Aybar, 3B; Martin, C; Seo P

Aybar's getting back on that defensive horse. Seems like he's getting a last long look, though he remains such a longshot to start the season in Los Angeles.

2006-03-23 09:41:47
39.   the OZ
Some fun news about Stanford's Tree, who was suspended for dancing in a designated mascot-free-zone:

2006-03-23 09:47:36
40.   ToyCannon
ECR owns the academic decathlon:)

You must be one serious teacher to take on that task. My hat is off to you and all the students who spend hours upon hours on this event.

2006-03-23 09:47:54
41.   Steve
That's a good lineup.

Can one order the MLB Audio without bothering with the Sports Illustrated part of it (no offense, Jon, since they are now your corporate masters, but having to cancel a magazine subscription annoys me)

2006-03-23 09:51:40
42.   Jon Weisman
40 - I thought Taft won this year.

39 - I'm starting to think our tree is being targeted. Am I to believe that no other mascot has ever danced in a no-mascot zone?

DWT - Dancing While Tree

2006-03-23 09:53:06
43.   Kayaker7
35 I think it sounds softer. The sound of air escaping is held just a little shorter period. Is is a common anology used in helping English speakers learn Korean consonants.
2006-03-23 10:01:25
44.   gcrl
i went to a derrel thomas catcher game, also. i believe he hit his lone hr of the season that day. good times.
2006-03-23 10:06:39
45.   Bob Timmermann
Derrel Thomas played catcher in five games in 1980 according to Retrosheet.

He homered in this one:

2006-03-23 10:07:52
46.   SMY
41 Yes...there's a link to "Get MLB Audio on its own".
2006-03-23 10:14:00
47.   Kayaker7
What is the battting stat "TB" in's spring training stat? Tuberculosis?
2006-03-23 10:14:18
48.   Steve
Blessings to you and your family. They don't highlight the non-subscription option.
2006-03-23 10:15:04
49.   Marty
33 That Ralph's used to be a risky place to shop. One time, back around 93 or 94, I was walking back to my car and saw a group of people finishing off stealing the tires from the car next to mine.

Good times.

2006-03-23 10:25:18
50.   Bob Timmermann
TB = Total bases
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2006-03-23 10:29:22
51.   Kayaker7
50 Ah, I see...
2006-03-23 10:29:41
52.   bluetahoe
Seo not looking today. 3 runs in 1.2 innings with runners at the corners.
2006-03-23 10:32:10
53.   bluetahoe
Seo gets out of it. Going to the bottom of the 2nd its the Cards 3 and the Dodgers 1.

Dodgers scored via a leadoff double by Furcal. A sharp single by Cruz advances Furcal to 3rd. A deep SF by Drew scores Furcal. Kent GIDP. Jason Marquis pitching for the Cards.

2006-03-23 10:34:01
54.   bluetahoe
Its either Marquis or Suppan
2006-03-23 10:34:36
55.   Bob Timmermann
Someone needs to give Seo a pale blue cap with a different letter on it.
2006-03-23 10:35:51
56.   bluetahoe
Guzman reaches.

Choi grounds it back to the mound. Easy double play. I don't know. That Choi kid just doesn't seem to have what it takes.

2006-03-23 10:36:40
57.   bluetahoe
Aybar retired.
2006-03-23 10:38:10
58.   bluetahoe
Edmonds hits out of the reach of Guzman for an over the wall double.
2006-03-23 10:38:17
59.   MartinBillingsley31
Good lineup today.
I'd switch cruz and choi and insert nomar behind kent in the 5 slot at 3b, with no aybar.
2006-03-23 10:40:03
60.   DXMachina
It's interesting. The MLB audio page only lists the Cardinal feed, but if you click on "audio" on the scoreboard, you get the Vero Beach feed, complete with ads for Vero Beach businesses. The announcers are the guys who do Vero and Jacksonville, and are pretty good.
2006-03-23 10:40:23
61.   bluetahoe
Rodriguez strikes out swinging.
2006-03-23 10:42:31
62.   bluetahoe
I'd put Nomar at #2. I'd DFA Choi immediately after the game.
2006-03-23 10:43:19
63.   bluetahoe
Gall fouls out.
2006-03-23 10:43:25
64.   fawnkyj
The game is also on XM187, its the cards feed.
2006-03-23 10:44:42
65.   bluetahoe
Suppan scorches a line shot to 3rd for the final out.
2006-03-23 10:47:37
66.   MartinBillingsley31
I'd even be tempted to switch martin and furcal, martin 1, furcal 8.
2006-03-23 10:48:28
67.   bluetahoe
Martin walks.
2006-03-23 10:49:04
68.   bluetahoe
LOL.... MB
2006-03-23 10:49:32
69.   bluetahoe
Seo sacrifices
2006-03-23 10:50:19
70.   bluetahoe
WP moves Martin to 3rd.
2006-03-23 10:50:54
71.   Gen3Blue
I was just musing the other day if in the future it might come down to "Hu's on Second?"
I can't remember just where, but the original Abbot/Costello bit is available to listen to, and it is remarkably good.
2006-03-23 10:51:29
72.   bluetahoe
Furcal singles home Martin.
2006-03-23 10:51:48
73.   Marty
Too bad Jon doesn't get paid by the comment.
2006-03-23 10:53:42
74.   bluetahoe
Cruz strikes out swinging.
2006-03-23 10:56:02
75.   regfairfield
Sure we know what's happening with the play by play. But what about pitch by pitch?
2006-03-23 10:56:08
76.   Steve
Whoever was paying him wouldn't get what they were paying for.
2006-03-23 10:56:24
77.   bluetahoe
Drew with a high fly ball to center field. Caught at the wall. crap.
2006-03-23 10:59:02
78.   Jon Weisman
According to Baseball Prospectus, Bill Mueller is expected to be the fourth-worst regular third baseman in the NL ... and second-best in the NL West.

Bottom 5 2006 NL Starting Third Basemen, by PECOTA Projected VORP

Player, Team, Projected VORP

Vinny Castilla, SDN, 10.7
Pedro Feliz, SFN, 11.0
Corey Koskie, MIL, 13.9
Garrett Atkins, COL, 15.2
Bill Mueller, LAN, 21.5

2006-03-23 11:00:47
79.   bluetahoe
Suppan bats. He wasn't the guy who ended last inng with the line out.

Aybar handles Suppans grounder. 1 away.

2006-03-23 11:01:27
80.   Marty
Shouldn't that be fifth-worst then?
2006-03-23 11:01:50
81.   bluetahoe
My bad. 2 away.

Eckstein gounds out to Furcal. Seo has settled down.

2006-03-23 11:02:29
82.   MartinBillingsley31

I'd like to know about lofton.

Man our division is weak.

2006-03-23 11:02:39
83.   bluetahoe
Baseball Prospectus is wrong.
2006-03-23 11:03:10
84.   ToyCannon
Taft won the California title this year but ECR not only won the state title but the national title last year. I should have said Woodland Hills owns the academic decathlon:)

California dominates the national level as we have won first or second place in the U.S. competition every year except one since the national contest began in 1982 with Woodland Hills getting several of those national titles.

2006-03-23 11:04:04
85.   bluetahoe
Kent takes strike one, gounds out to 3rd.
2006-03-23 11:04:16
86.   oldbear
VORP uses counting stats principles though. Are the expecting Mueller to miss a select amount of games?

I'm surprised Koskie is so low. Is the Brewers park really hard to hit in, or is Koskie on a substantial decline?

2006-03-23 11:05:03
87.   Marty
78 I understand why they would abbreviate the Dodgers to LAN because of the L.A. Angels, but why the SDN? Did an American League team sneak into San Diego without my knowing it?
2006-03-23 11:06:04
88.   bluetahoe
Guzman takes low, strike looking, ball 2, fouled past 3rd, fast ball a liitle bit low, swings through a fastball.
2006-03-23 11:06:44
89.   Jon Weisman
87 - three-letter codes for all
2006-03-23 11:07:22
90.   bluetahoe
Choi grounds to 1st who tosses to the pitcher on the 1st pitch. Inning over. I thinks it safe to say Choi's Dodger career is over.
2006-03-23 11:09:08
91.   ToyCannon
Considering how strong 3b is and how weak we were at it last year I don't see that as being a bad thing.
Chipper Jones
David Wright
Miggy Cabrerra
Aramis Ramirez
Encarnacion(Reds) Sleeper

Baseball HQ has Mueller as the 9th best 3b in the NL behind the above and also Atkins and Randa. But both BP and HQ are not taking into account defense and when you factor that in Mueller will rise above Atkins.

2006-03-23 11:09:28
92.   bluetahoe
Baez pitching.
2006-03-23 11:11:15
93.   Telemachos
90 You sure love Choi, don't you, bluetahoe?

How many innings did Seo end up going, btw? 3? 4?

2006-03-23 11:12:28
94.   Steve
Seo is still pitching.
2006-03-23 11:14:04
95.   oldbear
I'm suprised Pecota is picking Mueller to be worse than an even Joe Randa or David Bell.
Those two guys are pretty bad.

Mueller is probably average in terms of NL 3rd basemen.

Chipper Jones

Those 5 are substantially better.

Next 5:

2006-03-23 11:16:22
96.   oldbear
Ooops I forgot about Miggy. I was looking at the 3rd base page.

They dont have Miguel Cabrera listed as a 3rd basemen.

Does Yahoo at least have Cabrera listed as a 3rd basemen for fantasy purposes?

2006-03-23 11:21:41
97.   Jon Weisman
I don't have enough confidence in PECOTA predictions to take them seriously; I just thought it was funny that one of the worst in the league - whoever it might be - could be one of the best in the division. That's why I posted that.

But I suppose there might be similar charts reflecting on the NL West's weakness at other positions.

2006-03-23 11:23:06
98.   Sam DC
DC Update. Today's Washington Post reviews a study commissioned by the District government to figure out its likely ballpark-related tax revenues. The study tries to estimate likely Nationals' revenue in the first year after the new ballpark opens. Now, the article notes that many in baseball are skeptical about the study's ultimate conclusion, for obvious reasons: "If the projections are on target, the Nationals would probably rank behind only the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox, the only franchises to surpass $200 million in total revenue last year, according to Forbes magazine, and on par with the New York Mets, Los Angeles Dodgers and Chicago Cubs."

2006-03-23 11:23:38
99.   bluetahoe
Seo went 4. Hee Seop Choi just doesn't seem to have it what it takes to excel at the major league level long term. His 1 year and 2 month stint with the Dodgers were very disappointing. He was brought here to really bolster our offense and the guy just can't hit. Choi was Paul DePodesta's biggest mistake. I only say he is a bigger mistake than the likes of Valentin and Grabowski because there were such high expectations with Choi and he flopped big time.
2006-03-23 11:25:27
100.   Kayaker7
I know it is only ST, but is Nomah really doing that bad? .214 BA in 42 AB? Small sample size?
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2006-03-23 11:25:53
101.   Steve
Seo went 5.
2006-03-23 11:26:50
102.   capdodger
99 See the Choi FAQ on Dodger Math. (Sidebar.)
2006-03-23 11:27:09
103.   oldbear
Nomar has gotten the most at bats with the least production this spring. His line is horrible. Everyone knows his OBP isnt gonna be great, but he's hit with no power.
2006-03-23 11:27:24
104.   Sam DC
I think Seo went 5 innings.
2006-03-23 11:28:08
105.   Sam DC
oops -- missed 101. But now I don't think it, I know it!
2006-03-23 11:28:24
106.   Steve
104 -- Not that it matters, since the only point of all that comment spam was to rant incoherently about Hee Seop Choi for the millioneth time.
2006-03-23 11:28:54
107.   capdodger
100 Nomah is a "Veteran Player" (tm) and will "Turn it On" (TM) once the games "Mean Something".
2006-03-23 11:29:20
108.   Telemachos
I heard a rumor that Seo went 5. Can anyone confirm?
2006-03-23 11:30:01
109.   jasonungar05
yeah please Blue, it's not that we don't value your viewpoint, it's just a very tired one. He will either make the team or he wont, none of us really care anymore, we just want to win.

Nomar has 19HR in his last 600ABs in Hitters parks so get used to it Bear!!

2006-03-23 11:30:25
110.   bluetahoe
Exactly, capdodger. That's what I've been saying.
2006-03-23 11:30:42
111.   Marty
Down goes Seo! Down goes Seo!
2006-03-23 11:30:52
112.   Jon Weisman
107 - Whereas Choi is as good as can be. He arrives at Spring Training at maximum ability and doesn't need to work on things the way proven All-Stars do.
2006-03-23 11:32:01
113.   bluetahoe
I thought Baez pitched a scoreless 5th. Maybe it was the 6th. Baez got the first 2 batters but then gave up a single and double but got out of it unscathed.
2006-03-23 11:32:05
114.   oldbear
Nomar has 19HR in his last 600ABs in Hitters parks so get used to it Bear

I'm already calling him Nerstad.

2006-03-23 11:32:32
115.   capdodger
110 You missed my point.
112 Of course. (With my tounge firmly planted in my cheek)
2006-03-23 11:33:06
116.   Marty
But will Nomar take out a catcher the way Erstad can?
2006-03-23 11:34:29
117.   OaklandAs
BP does not have Mueller behind Bell or Randa. Their most recent PECOTA update (3/21) has them ranked like this:

Wright, MCabrera, Ramirez, CJones, Ensberg, RZimmerman, EEncarnacion, Rolen, Mueller, Tracy, Atkins, Koskie, Castilla, Randa, Feliz, Bell.

Where players rank depends on the AB cutoff used.

2006-03-23 11:34:54
118.   jasonungar05
lol on 114 although, kinda like "Nostad" better for whatever reason.
2006-03-23 11:36:12
119.   capdodger
109 yeah please Blue, it's not that we don't value your viewpoint, it's just a very tired one. He will either make the team or he wont, none of us really care anymore, we just want to win.

This was the reason for my reference to Dodger Math's Choi FAQ.

2006-03-23 11:36:25
120.   oldbear
Can Nomar say that he's played with the likes of Lawrence Phillips? Or played under Tom Osborne?

Thats what sets Erstad apart.

2006-03-23 11:37:49
121.   Steve
You missed my point.

Not a rare occurrence.

2006-03-23 11:39:00
122.   bluetahoe
Hey oldbear. How's your 2006 AL MVP prediction of Milton Bradley looking this spring? Has he got his OPS over 800 yet? LOL.....
2006-03-23 11:42:28
123.   MartinBillingsley31
So do i have the bench right?
martinez (assuming guzman doesn't make it)

The last spot is a competition between choi and robles.

2006-03-23 11:42:43
124.   oldbear
Bradley OPS- .777
Lofton OPS- .349

I dont think Bradley will be an MVP, just that he'll be alot better than Lofton.

2006-03-23 11:44:03
125.   Sam DC
I thought 109 was pretty well (and friendlily) put.
2006-03-23 11:44:38
126.   Jon Weisman
123 - That seems right. Cody Ross and Willy Aybar have the slightest of chances.
2006-03-23 11:44:42
127.   27indigo
So only Choi and Bradley's spring stats matter, but Lofton and Nomar's don't?
2006-03-23 11:45:23
128.   ToyCannon
Kinda of silly comparing Nomar to Erstad. Nomar will hit if healthy, that is a given. The only thing that isn't a given is how well he will hit. I notice a trend on this site to use small sample sizes when they don't like a player and to discount small sample sizes when they do. Let's be consistent, Nomar has a large enough sample size that we shouldn't be worried about his hitting ability. It is health that should have us all worried.
2006-03-23 11:45:28
129.   bluetahoe
I'll take that as a NO. LOL....
2006-03-23 11:45:38
130.   jasonungar05
Milton hasn't been MAD enought to post an OPS over .800!!

"I woke up (irritated) and it showed," Bradley said. "I came out too nice earlier in the spring, and it didn't work."

"I came in here trying to be too nice, I was smiling and happy and I wasn't very good on the field," Bradley said. "I have to be a little rowdy, a little nasty, and take it out on the baseball field."

2006-03-23 11:45:58
131.   oldbear
123. They have Cruz playing CF today so I think Guzman will make the team. I thought they may go with Lofton/Repko platoon in CF. But I think Grady wants Cruz in CF (he's played CF a couple times this week), and Guzman at least part time (when Lofton doesnt play) in LF.

Repko may be used as strictly a pinch runner.

2006-03-23 11:53:26
132.   bluetahoe
Kent singles to right.

Guzman hits it hard but its a DP. 6-4-3

Choi, the out machine, does what he does best, he makes an out, this time he strikes out swinging. THANK GOD WE HAVE NOMAR!

2006-03-23 11:55:33
133.   oldbear
128. Nomar was healthy last year. He didnt hit well while healthy. Then he got hurt. Then he was on the DL. Then he came back when he was healthy again. Then he hit.

You act as if Nomar is recovering from a chronic injury. Not the case.

He hasnt hit for power the last two years (when healthy), and he's going into a park that takes away most of his power (doubles).

2006-03-23 12:15:09
134.   Steve
128 -- Well said.
2006-03-23 12:17:32
135.   Sam DC
Boswell Watch OK, I'm sorry if I wasted my DC space with the insane financial news up above, but this opening to today's Soriano column by Tom Boswell really deserves to be passed on. A tad overwritten (more than a tad?) but can't argue with "blissed out" in my book:

"Jupiter aligned with Mars here on Wednesday afternoon. Harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounded. No more falsehoods or derisions. Dude, it was weirder than an 'Age of Aquarius' acid flashback. Why, the park was so blissed out that Alfonso Soriano, a nonviolent conscientious objector as recently as Monday, made peace, not war, and played left field."

Tom will be on for his regularl online chat tomorrow at 8 am Pacific at Dude.

2006-03-23 12:21:18
136.   Sam DC
Spezio diving catch of a HSC line drive w/two outs two on ends the game -- St L 4, LAD 2.
2006-03-23 12:21:28
137.   ToyCannon
Oh come on, check out his slug% last year after he came back from his injury and tell me again he didn't hit for power. Not everything is home run related. He had a slug% of 575 in August and 524 in Sept. The facts get in the way of your analysis.

No one is arguing that Milton isn't better right now at his stage of his career then Lofton, but what is your point? Milton had to go, deal with it and move on, to keep bringing it up is as tiresome an arguement as the Choi debate.

2006-03-23 12:21:34
138.   Eric L
132 I hate to speak for the powers that be, but cut out the Choi baiting. It's a topic that has been beaten to death. Are you accomplishing anything by trashing Choi in every post?

And just for the record, the "out machine" has a career OBP of .349 and Nomar has a an OBP of .367. They are pretty much equal opportunity out machines.

2006-03-23 12:27:07
139.   oldbear
Milton had to go, deal with it and move on, to keep bringing it up is as tiresome an arguement as the Choi debate.

I didnt bring up Milton. I was just responding to the poster that brought up Milton.

2006-03-23 12:29:32
140.   oldbear
Not everything is home run related

Exactly. Most of Nomar's SLG'ing has come from doubles. He wont hit many doubles playing in DS.

2006-03-23 12:37:12
141.   overkill94
140 I think we need to take it easy on Dodger Stadium's effect on doubles. Shawn Green did set the all-time LAD record for doubles while playing there. Sure it will cut into their occurrance, but it shouldn't be significant.
2006-03-23 12:37:44
142.   GoBears
I'm with oldbear on the Nomar thing. Let's just say that I will be pleasantly surprised if his OPS exceeds .800. If he's really going to play every day, then I certainly hope I'm wrong, but I will be surprised.

And in another appeal for even-handedness, it's not real fair to say Aybar is a butcher at 3rd base by pointing out his errors in ST, and not admit that Nomar has more errors in ST than Choi had all of last year (or close, anyway). Personally, I think that neither stat means anything. But if we're going to believe that Nomar will be fine defensively once the season starts, we have to give Aybar the same, possibly delusional, benefit of the doubt.

2006-03-23 12:38:55
143.   Steve
142 -- You are right, but pointing out the inherent inconsistencies in an argument that really isn't an argument isn't going to get very far.
2006-03-23 12:40:56
144.   overkill94
Completely OT, but I dreamt last night that I somehow got a list of the phone numbers of a bunch of fringe major leaguers. The only ones I was able to talk to were Craig Shipley and Ozzie Canseco.

Shipley was none too friendly even though I was able to remember him as a former Dodger.

Ozzie actually hunted me down and was a complete psycho who kept stabbing me and threatening to shoot me and my friends. He then proceeded to follow us back to my house when a bunch of midgets came over to play basketball. Unfortunately I then woke up.

2006-03-23 12:43:14
145.   GoBears
141 Yeah, it depends on HOW one hits doubles. The symmetry of the park makes weird-bounce doubles less likely in DS. Line-drive gappers are no less likely in DS than anywhere else. Some long fly-ball doubles become HRs in DS. The main problem for Nomar on doubles will be if a large number of his were relatively short popups that bounced of the Green Monster in Fenway. Some of those will become HRs, but most will become outs in DS.

My impression (and that's all it is, but I'm sure the numbers exist somewhere) is that because Nomar is a free-swinging contact hitter, and because he's right-handed, he did in fact benefit from the Green Monster. If that's true, we can expect lower SLG, lower BA, and lower OBP than he's used to.

2006-03-23 12:46:12
146.   GoBears
144 Damn, buddy. No more glue-sniffing before bed for you.
2006-03-23 12:46:24
147.   D4P
There we have it, folks. The first dream in history involving any combination of Craig Shipley and/or Ozzie Canseco.

On a related note, I had a dream a few months ago that I was Kobe Bryant playing basketball with a giant blackberry (the fruit, not the geek gadget). The dream ended with my wife waking me up, as I was screaming in my sleep while being chased by a deer that was trying to gore me.

2006-03-23 12:47:05
148.   ToyCannon
Wrigly Field had the following park effect indices for RHB in 2005 from the Bill James Handbook. We need to take a 2nd look at how doubles are doing in Dodger stadium as they were just about neutral in 2005.
All batters

Dodger Stadium:
All batters

2006-03-23 12:49:00
149.   Steve
And that was with Edwards and Repko and Grabowski and Valentin and Izturis and Phillips hitting. You would think the doubles rating at Dodger Stadium last year would be about 12.
2006-03-23 12:49:18
150.   overkill94
146 This was actually one of those cases where I was awoken at about 9:30 am by a phone call, went back to sleep and then had that dream. Those seem to be the most random.
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2006-03-23 12:50:26
151.   ToyCannon
If your going to knock Nomar for hitting doubles off the green wall then you have to give him some credit for also having home runs being taken away from the size of the green wall. You can't have both arguements.
2006-03-23 12:50:55
152.   ToyCannon
Isn't Shipley a big wig now in the Boston organization?
2006-03-23 12:51:51
153.   GoBears
148 Yeah, we know that Wrigley has played more and more like a neutral or even pitchers park for the last several years. Probably partly because the comparison set of other parks is (PETCO and SBC aside) getting more hitter friendly.

But that IS a surprising doubles number for DS. My (again, impressionistic) explanation is that it's the new seats. I saw a lot of singles become doubles last year when they hit that section that's jutting out and caromed from the line toward CF. Corner OFers would run toward the ball, then have to make a sharp turn to chase it down.

But what about Fenway?

2006-03-23 12:52:00
154.   Jon Weisman
"Lost" viewers:

Does the bald Korean that Sun was set up with and later learned English from resemble the Dharma filmstrip guy, if you took away his hair? It's been so long since I saw the filmstrip, so I might be imagining the resemblance.

2006-03-23 12:57:32
155.   GoBears
151 If your going to knock Nomar for hitting doubles off the green wall then you have to give him some credit for also having home runs being taken away from the size of the green wall. You can't have both arguements.

Sure you can, but not just by looking at numbers, it's true. As I said, some of those doubles become HRs, while others become outs. How to know how many there are of each category would require actual observation of the batted balls in question. I said it was impressionistic, so take it for what it's worth, but I'm betting that the wall was a net boon for Nomar. Part of my impression comes from watching way too many Red Sox games. But part also comes from Nomar's approach. Because he makes a lot of contact (on pitchers others would miss, or lay off, he probably hits more than his fair share of weak popups and groundouts. He also strikes out and walks less often than you'd expect.

I admit that I'm guessing here. But my guess does jibe with the conventional wisdom about RH hitters and Fenway.

Again, I hope I'm wrong. We'll see.

2006-03-23 12:59:14
156.   Bob Timmermann
They are completely different actors.

The bald guy (more appropriately shaved head) showed up in the earlier Sun-Jin flashback at the beginning of the year.

The guy in the film (not a filmstrip, there was no "beep") is Dr. Marvin Candle(sp?). I think that actor is Vietnamese or Cambodian.

2006-03-23 13:00:07
157.   Andrew Shimmin
Dan Szymborski on BTF has much different numbers.

1.10 R
1.06 H
1.32 2B
0.94 HR
1.04 BB
0.94 SO

0.90 R
0.94 H
0.86 2B
1.12 HR
0.90 BB
1.06 SO

2006-03-23 13:00:59
158.   Andrew Shimmin
And I'm an idiot. Those were Wrigly numbers. Sorry.
2006-03-23 13:03:17
159.   Andrew Shimmin
And I can't spell. I'm going to go away, now.
2006-03-23 13:05:36
160.   Steve
Regardless, that's a lot of doubles. Counter-reply?
2006-03-23 13:06:01
161.   Jon Weisman
156 - Thanks. But if you shave your head, are you not bald?

Is baldness defined as only occuring naturally?

2006-03-23 13:09:55
162.   willhite
The ESPN website Dodger box score for today's game has Nomar leading off and playing shortstop. Can't trust anybody to give you the real facts anymore. At least they didn't say it was PeeWee Reese.

Houlton had a session with Koufax yesterday and today he came out and pitched two scoreless, hitless innings with two strikeouts. Maybe we have the wrong pitching coach.

2006-03-23 13:10:13
163.   Bob Timmermann
In "Curb Your Enthusiasm", Larry David tells a police officer with a shaved head that his look was a choice and he was not part of the "bald community".
2006-03-23 13:11:51
164.   bluetahoe
One great thing from today's spring training loss. The miserable 8 month Choi experiment will finally be ended. Thank God Ned Coletti brought in Nomar. Choi is just terrible, and though I love Saenz I don't think he can replicate his numbers from last season.
2006-03-23 13:13:39
165.   Bob Timmermann
Tony Lee

Francois Chau

2006-03-23 13:14:23
166.   Steve
It's Colletti.
2006-03-23 13:14:37
167.   oldbear
UCLA or Gonzaga tonite?
2006-03-23 13:14:48
168.   MartinBillingsley31
If choi is gone, the good thing about it will be that the choi debate will be gone with him.

Poor dead horse.

2006-03-23 13:14:51
169.   Marty
164 How many times do you have to say that? Is it in your contract? We get it. Please pick another player to hate.
2006-03-23 13:14:52
170.   ToyCannon
My post stated that I was using Wrigley field since Nomar hasn't played in Fenway in 1 1/2 years. The numbers your showing me for DS look closer to the 3 year average that James shows, not the 2005 season alone. The 3 year average is probably better to use, but it negates the changes in the structure of DS for 2005.
I have no idea why different publications would have different park indices and so I don't know which one would be more accurate.

What would be more important are the road splits but even those are proven to not be entirely accurate in predicting future performance. Some players simply hit better at home no matter what the park is. JD Drew loved DS and posted an ops over 1000 at DS and less then 800 on the road. Jeff Kent on the other hand has hit better on the road over the last 3 years even taking into account that his home park was Minutemaid for 2 of those years. He's also not very good during the day.

2006-03-23 13:15:12
171.   Jon Weisman
163 - Yes, and I understand that more and more every day. But I still think you can be bald without being part of the spiritual community of the unvoluntary bald.
2006-03-23 13:16:22
172.   PennyJavy
Why isn't Saenz a bet to replicate last year's numbers? His entire career he has crushed lefties. Give Saenz limited PA vs lefties and he'll produce.
2006-03-23 13:16:46
173.   Marty
say it loud, I'm bald and I'm proud
2006-03-23 13:17:24
174.   Marty
Or, another way to say it, I'm bald and I vote.
2006-03-23 13:18:22
175.   Bob Timmermann

I get all my advice in this area from Larry David, the kindest, gentlest man on earth.

2006-03-23 13:18:36
176.   ToyCannon
I'm partially bald and so I shave my head so I have always felt I was in the bald camp. It reminds me of the great Seinfeld when the guy has shaven his head because he loves the look but after a few years he grows his hair back only to realize to his horror that he is growing bald.
2006-03-23 13:19:17
177.   bluetahoe
In 24 hours I've come to realize Nomar bashing is acceptable but criticism of Choi is not. Hmmm?
2006-03-23 13:19:59
178.   Steve
You all realize that every one of his posts draws about four requests for him to stop and three offers to continue "debating" someone who can't even spell the GM's name.
2006-03-23 13:21:07
179.   bluetahoe
I wouldn't have a problem starting Saenz against most lefties. How often does a lefty start? 40 of the 162 games? I'd start Saenz 30 games. No problem. I love his bat off the bench though. He's clutch.
2006-03-23 13:21:47
180.   PennyJavy
No one is bashing Nomar. People are just given their opinion on how he will do for the Dodgers in the 2006 season. I haven't seen one post that says "The Nomar experiment is not going to work in L.A!!!"
2006-03-23 13:22:58
181.   Screwgie
164 - "Choi is just terrible, and though I love Saenz I don't think he can replicate his numbers from last season."

Saenz' numbers were almost exactly the same as Choi's last year.

But of course Choi wasn't as sexy as Seanz last year and that understandably tends to skew perceptions.

2006-03-23 13:23:09
182.   OaklandAs
177 Because your statements don't make any logical sense. You say Choi is an out machine, even though he has a .349 lifetime OBP, which is well above average. You say you like OPS, but say Choi sucks when he has a lifetime .786 OPS, which is also above average. People will take you more seriously if you actually make rational arguments.
2006-03-23 13:23:34
183.   oldbear
Isnt it strange how just last week, ThinkingBlue said he was leaving and wouldnt be back until mid June...

But now two of them show up a mere 6-7 days later.

2006-03-23 13:24:17
184.   Steve
You're all hopeless.
2006-03-23 13:24:48
185.   oldbear
I love his bat off the bench though. He's clutch.

Just not with the bases loaded. Saenz 'clutch' line zigs and zags.

2006-03-23 13:25:10
186.   DodgerBlueBruce
I have some great (I think) Spring Training Photos from Dodgertown on 3/12 against the Astros and from 3/15 against the Braves uploaded to; Search: dodgerbluebruce. It was a great trip as always. I can't wait to go back.
2006-03-23 13:25:24
187.   bluetahoe
Look beyond the numbers Screwgie. Seanz was 3 times more valuable than Choi last season. Choi contributted big time against Minnesota. Without him we lose them games. That's about all he contributed in 8 months.
2006-03-23 13:25:55
188.   Sam DC
Was Persis Khambatta voluntarily or unvolunatrily bald?
2006-03-23 13:25:59
189.   ToyCannon
After much debate within myself I've decided to root for Gonzaga tonight. They are my favorite teams but this will be Gonzaga's last chance for a sweet 8 or even a final 4 team for years since Morrison will be gone next year. UCLA on the other hand looks to have a team that could be competing for the National title next year so I'll let them wait one more year. Of course if UCLA wins I won't be very dissapointed. This is what we call a win/win.
2006-03-23 13:27:50
190.   jasonungar05
I love how larry views people who make fun of bald people like they are committing a hate crime!
2006-03-23 13:28:32
191.   oldbear
"Look beyond the numbers Screwgie."

--Jim Tracy, on batting Izturis leadoff and Jason Phillips at 1st base.

2006-03-23 13:28:32
192.   Sam DC
188 Imdb reports it was voluntary. Also reports that she died of heart failure one day after my first anniversary, at only 47. Gah!
2006-03-23 13:28:43
193.   bluetahoe
Oakland A's. I watch and listen to the games. I can't speak for what he did prior to coming to LA. All I know he was a train wreck wearing my beloved Dodger blue. I do remember that grand salm against Colorado. That was key in that win. Choi reminds me a lot of Shawn Green. If you look at the overall stat sheet the numbers are quite respectable, but they don't tell the true story.
2006-03-23 13:30:19
194.   bluetahoe
And who was better equipped to bat leadoff? Batting Izturis seemed the right thing to do the 1st 2 months of the season. True, he is better suited to bat 8th.
2006-03-23 13:30:27
195.   ToyCannon
I don't think 349 is above average for a 1st baseman or an OPS of 786. I like Choi because I expect him to produce an OBA of 375 with an OPS of 875 at least. If all he produced was his current averages I wouldn't care less about him as a 1st baseman.
2006-03-23 13:33:57
196.   jasonungar05
Where can u buy Choi bait? It seems popular.
2006-03-23 13:34:13
197.   oldbear
I can't speak for what he did prior to coming to LA.

But you can for Nomar? If Choi's history doesnt count, why does Nomar's?

2006-03-23 13:35:07
198.   bhsportsguy
171 - Lets leave HSC and talk Seinfeld - They just showed episode where Elaine is dating a guy who was shaving his head and then Elaine saw an old picture where he had beautiful hair, so he starts growing it in only to discover the horror that he was going bald.

George later confirms it with the great observation where he points to the part of his head and says once it (his forehead) advances to this part, its all over.

Elaine also confirmed to George in this episode that despite what women tell him, hair matters.

2006-03-23 13:35:29
199.   D4P
Choi bait

Try saying that 10 times fast.

2006-03-23 13:36:28
200.   OaklandAs
195 I agree, but Choi's lines are still a far cry from "sucks". And bluetahoe thinks he's the only one who watches and listens to games - too funny.
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2006-03-23 13:37:20
201.   oldbear
They are my favorite teams but this will be Gonzaga's last chance for a sweet 8 or even a final 4 team for years since Morrison will be gone next year.

Gonzaga has Micah Downs, whom transferred from KU sitting out this year. He was a McDonalds All American last year. Plus with Raivo, Pargo, Heytveld they'll still be really good next year. Nobody can replace Morrison, but if Morrison comes back along with Downs next year...They could be top 5 in the nation. But I doubt Morrison comes back. He could pull a Leinart though.

2006-03-23 13:37:20
202.   bluetahoe
I knew basically nothing about Choi before he came to LA.

Nomar is a household name who I am very familiar with and he has been among the games best for many seasons.

I've seen Nomar play countless times. Prior to Choi coming to LA the only thing I can remember about him is that he got hit in the head with something.

2006-03-23 13:39:09
203.   Eric L
196 Wal-mart, of course. It's mass produced and the majority of the population enjoys using it. And it's cheap!
2006-03-23 13:39:17
204.   oldbear
I knew basically nothing about Choi before he came to LA.

But I thought you watched and listened to alot of baseball?

2006-03-23 13:40:08
205.   bluetahoe
I do and thats the problem.
2006-03-23 13:40:13
206.   Bob Timmermann
Nomar is a household name

I've named my microwave "Nomar". My oven is called "Olmedo".

2006-03-23 13:40:13
207.   Marty
203 And it's made in Korea!
2006-03-23 13:41:02
208.   Eric L
204 I think the socratic method stuff I was talking about the other day would come in handy in this discussion.
2006-03-23 13:41:29
209.   bluetahoe
OB got me thinking. Did Choi ever play AGAINST the Dodgers?
2006-03-23 13:41:38
210.   MartinBillingsley31
Nomar is a household name who I am very familiar with and he has been among the games best for many seasons.

The mainstream media is a very powerfull force.
It makes me sick.

2006-03-23 13:42:16
211.   Eric L
207 Nah, Choi-bait is made in the fine city of Los Angeles. I believe the president of the company is named Bill and his sidekick is TJ.
2006-03-23 13:43:29
212.   ToyCannon
I think most here wouldn't care if you bashed Choi if you used numbers to back up your comments. Oldbear and I disagree on just about everything but at least when we disagree he can produce something tangible to back up his claims. We like numbers here and you can make fun of it but that is why we post at Dodger Thoughts. That doesn't make us computer geeks, it makes us enlightened baseball fans. Now sometimes DT posters can be arrogant about their numbers but rarely are they obnoxious.
2006-03-23 13:44:43
213.   Eric L
209 Choi had 13 ABs against the Dodgers. In '03, he had 6 ABs and in '04 he had 7.
2006-03-23 13:46:21
214.   Humma Kavula
213 Don't leave us in suspense. How did he do?
2006-03-23 13:47:23
215.   oldbear
Choi's 1st at bat as a Dodger was a double IIRC.
2006-03-23 13:47:42
216.   sanchez101
"Nomar is a household name who I am very familiar with and he has been among the games best for many seasons."

unfortuantly 2005, 2004, and 2003 arent among those "many seasons".

at least we would know who'd win a popularity contest, now as for who's the better 1st baseman ...

2006-03-23 13:48:47
218.   Eric L
214 Terrible. He had 1 hit in the 13 ABs.
2006-03-23 13:50:12
219.   Steve
It's "blunt." And "hear."
2006-03-23 13:51:10
220.   Eric L
217 What does Mark Blount have to do with Hee Seop Choi? (sorry, basketball reference).
2006-03-23 13:51:25
221.   oldbear
at least we would know who'd win a popularity contest, now as for who's the better 1st baseman ...

Nomar could win a DT popularity contest if he was playing LF, 3rd or SS.

2006-03-23 13:54:17
222.   Humma Kavula
218 Well, clearly, DePodesta should have known. Clearly. Bring me the head of DePodesta!

Oh, wait.

2006-03-23 13:56:11
224.   Christina
Delurking to mention - Jon, I was an academic decathlete for 3 years when I was in high school.

I agree with Bob that the Super Quiz is probably the most "telegenic". That's held in a big area, such as a gym, and the teachers and parents are allowed to fill the stands and watch. But the subject of the Super Quiz usually yields pretty dull questions and it's not terribly exciting unless you're rooting for a team. My junior year, however, they flashed the wrong answer to one question and that was very exciting. I still remember the proctor looking out over the field of "zeros" signs being displayed by the graders (it was an easy question, so nearly everyone got it correct and was graded wrong) with a look of unease on his face, as all the type-A students screamed various things at him, and most of the coaches were screaming from the stands too. Then the coaches all rushed off to file their formal protests and the scores were later corrected. Good times.

The speech and interview portion are the only other portions of the actual tests that would be worth recording. Other than that, it's literally just sitting at a desk in a classroom filling out answer bubbles. Wait, the arts test does have a music portion in it, so perhaps you could get something out of the students listening to various songs being played and identifying/answering questions about them.

The breaks and mingling would be of some human interest. As you can imagine, it's generally a lot of very stressed students either frantically cramming or comparing notes.

The awards banquet, which in SoCal when I was there was always held at one of the ballrooms at Disneyland, could yield a few minutes of decent footage. My senior year, my team was almost all seniors, knew we had done really, really well and would be accepting a lot of medals, and so we decided to go all out - we girls wore prom dresses, and the guys wore tuxedos. But then I think we had more of a sense of humor and fun than many of the other teams did...

But in the end, I think it would make best recording if you picked one school's team and followed that team throughout the months of prep through the contest and banquet. There's one school, I forget which now, which always won the first place team honor because they were the only school who got to take Academic Decathlon as a class during the regular school day. The rest of us had to come in after school or on weekends. Every year when they were announced the winners at the banquet, there would always be a chorus of sarcastic "What a surprise"s all over the ballroom from the coaches who had to devote their own time outside of school to coaching their teams.

There is another academic competition that's national that would be more telegenic. I forget the name of it, but it's held after the school year ends, and each state selects one high school to send a team to the competition. My senior year, my high school sent my academic decathlon team. It's called the Academic Challenge or something like that, and the way it's held is a lot of fun: It's tournament-style, with three or four teams participating in each match, and it's just like a game show. The procter reads out a question and whichever team pushes their buzzer first gets to answer. The questions are really brutal, cover a wide range of subjects, and are much harder to study for than the academic decathlon competition. There's even Latin for those few students in the U.S. who still take Latin! The year I went (and perhaps all years), it was held at Disney World, all the teams got to stay for free in one of the nicest hotels in the park, and we spent three days competing and the rest of the time going around the theme parks. It all culminated with another nice awards banquet, and a dance where the DJ realized he was stuck with a huge mass of type-A students who never did anything but study, and taught them all the Macarena. (It was 1996.)

2006-03-23 13:56:34
225.   PennyJavy
What team will most likely pick up Choi through Waivers? Red Sox? Indians?
2006-03-23 13:56:53
226.   Steve
Would that we could say the same about posters
2006-03-23 13:56:55
227.   oldbear
Long time no posting Christina. Welcome back. How are the A's looking up there in the Bay Area?
2006-03-23 13:58:09
229.   Humma Kavula
Didn't Choi sign a minor-league contract? If so, wouldn't they just assign him to Vegas?
2006-03-23 13:59:43
230.   Steve
You are all getting that which you deserve...again.
2006-03-23 14:01:19
231.   Humma Kavula

1. Nomar Garciaparra is my very favorite player in the major leagues.

2. Nomar Garciaparra does not hit well enough to play 1B; he will provide, at best, production equal to what Choi and Saenz provided in platoon last year. Likely, he will be worse or injured.

2006-03-23 14:03:04
232.   Vishal
hahaha, the choi debates get less and less meaningful or substantive each time they occur.
2006-03-23 14:03:41
233.   Steve
232 -- I can't even figure out who the good guys are anymore.
2006-03-23 14:03:49
234.   Christina
227 - I'm very happy with how the A's are looking for 2007. I think they'll win the division, and of course, once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. That gives me some balm for my wounds over how the Raiders did this past season.
2006-03-23 14:03:51
235.   MartinBillingsley31
I'm kinda hoping for choi's departure so the debate will end, and even if choi/saenz played 1b with nomar moved to another position such as 3b or lf, it wouldn't put the dodgers over the top, this team has serious flaws starting with starting pitching.

Here is my new hopefull lineup later this season (if only to tune up martin and guzman for 2007):


Hopefully we can get a top free agent starting pitcher for 2007 and billingsley turns out to be a dominant starter for 2007.

2006-03-23 14:05:41
236.   PennyJavy
235. If LaRoche has a solid year in 2006 with the 51s, wouldn't you want to see him start over Mueller?
2006-03-23 14:06:02
237.   Christina
232 - I'll make it even less meaningful.

Choi should start because Choi is way hotter than old man Nomar, who is hella lucky to have scored Mia Hamm (even if Mia's personality is kinda milquetoast).

Now that we've finally hit the lowest common denominator of argument, thanks to me, can we give it up? ;)

2006-03-23 14:06:20
238.   Steve
Aaron Brooks will fix everything. He's scrappy.
2006-03-23 14:06:53
239.   ToyCannon
Just checked my other bracket that I joined besides Dodger Thought and found out that if Gonzaga wins tonight and Duke wins it all I will win the bracket. Now that I've put this in print I have as much chance as seeing snow in Altadena:)
2006-03-23 14:07:10
240.   Eric L
223 Oh, cause you were being "blount" in your comment, so I figured it had something to do wtih Mark or Corey Blount.
2006-03-23 14:08:15
241.   MartinBillingsley31


But that was the lineup i hope to see later this season.
Martin and guzman gets tuned up later this season for 2007.

2006-03-23 14:09:04
242.   Humma Kavula
240 Maybe he was implying that Choi should be part of the grounds crew; Blount International specializes in lawnmowers and lawnmower accessories.

2006-03-23 14:09:47
243.   Eric L
240 And justice is served.. I rag on the blount thing and I misspell "with". Darn it.
2006-03-23 14:10:54
244.   DeucesAreWild
Is anybody listening to GameDay Audio -- what the heck is going on?
2006-03-23 14:11:04
245.   Christina
238 Hee. Yeah, I don't feel very optimistic about the Brooks signing. It is kind of funny though because Brooks owes his break in New Orleans to the Raiders - we injured Jeff Blake in a game and Brooks had to take over, and was the starter thereafter.

The Raiders are expected to draft a QB, though, so I don't expect Brooks to start for more than one season at best. So there's that, at least.

2006-03-23 14:12:03
246.   Steve

Not you too. ;)

2006-03-23 14:13:17
247.   oldbear
I agree MB31 but I've yet to see Grady Little bat Russ Martin anywhere but 8th, which is really a waste of his skills.

Of the players we have that are likely to start, my lineup would be:

C- Martin

My thinking is that we need the guys that get on base the most, to bat at the top. So Martin/Mueller should get on quite a bit. Drew/Kent/Cruz is good power in the middle. Nomar is in a spot where his free-swinging shouldnt hurt him much. And then Furcal/Guzman is still some punch at the bottom.

2006-03-23 14:13:21
248.   Sushirabbit
If you watched all the Nomar games, can you tell me which one it was where caught the foul ball and handed it to the kid?

I'm getting to the point where I don't care if I like the players, I just want them to win games. Should I be worried?

What a great way to waste an afternoon. I'm thinking about getting "I'm bald and I vote" bumpersticker. I can almost bet there is a "Bald people for Voldemort" one already.

As to charging the mound (that was where I was at before my meeting, and really I'm just now catching up....) I like the idea of a HBP batter getting a free chance to hit the pitcher by throwing the bat. You could call it a free throw. The Ventura/Ryan one is a classic.

I sort of feel sorry for those (and you don't know who you are) that just miss the greatness of this place.

2006-03-23 14:14:41
249.   Telemachos
I can't help it, it's like some sort of crack-addiction:

One argument:
Choi's salary: $350,000
Saenz' salary: $650,000

Garciaparra's salary: $6,000,000+ (up to $10,000,000).

Choi/Saenz easily outperform Garciaparra.

Another argument:
Jason Repko '05: 276 AB / .229 BA / 8 HR / 30 RBI / 16 BB / 80 Ks

Choi '05: 320 AB / .253 BA / 15 HR / 42 RBI / 34 BB / 80 Ks

Yet people think Repko is a valuable asset and a scrappy player, whereas Choi is some hideous evil deadweight who kills babies.

2006-03-23 14:15:15
250.   Jon Weisman
224 - Thanks, and welcome back, Christina. (If commenter 9 was female, I think we might have broken a DT record.)

Maybe the format shouldn't be strictly the Academic Decathlon format. But I think a team academic competition would be very popular on TV. But I'd like it to be more than a trivia contest or game show. I'd like the answers to involve thought.

And the winners would get to choose who gets home field advantage for the World Series.

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2006-03-23 14:15:33
251.   Eric L
237 Nah, you gotta bring it down to the guys level. Does Hee have a girl friend and is she hotter than Mia? We know that Penny's chick is hotter than Mia.

LoDuca's wife is pretty hot. Who won "the trade" in terms of significant others? Much like the real debate, without seeing Choi's SO (if he has one), we can really judge.

2006-03-23 14:17:07
252.   Eric L
251 ... can't really judge...
2006-03-23 14:18:41
253.   Humma Kavula
251 What this team needs is to trade for Lima.
2006-03-23 14:19:49
254.   Christina
251 I never thought I'd ever google for "Hee Seop Choi's girlfriend". No luck.

I like to imagine, though, that he's dating someone who looks like Yunjin Kim. (Sun on "Lost")

2006-03-23 14:20:56
255.   oldbear
I'm getting to the point where I don't care if I like the players, I just want them to win games

The NFL has given me the same attitude. I'm all about the team and dont really care whom is on it. I guess I really am just rooting for laundry afterall.

2006-03-23 14:21:51
256.   Penarol1916
237. That's just ridiculous, Mia's personality makes milquetoast look exciting.

251. If she looks anything like Sun did last night on Lost, we have a winner.

2006-03-23 14:23:55
257.   Jon Weisman
I think the Sun-Jin story is just an incredible love story - one of the best I've ever seen on television.
2006-03-23 14:24:56
258.   Christina
250 Jon, what the evil side of me would really like to see is a lot of the wired-way-too-tightly type-A high school students I was very familiar with go on "Weakest Link". ;)
2006-03-23 14:24:58
259.   oldbear
LoDuca's wife is pretty hot

There's people that claim Sonia Flores (whom appeared in playboy) is the "Sonia" that Loduca is married too. However, I think Sonia Flores and Sonia Loduca are two different people. The only references to Loduca having a hot wife come from dodgerblues. However, I've yet to see any pictures of this woman and Loduca together.

This is quite a mystery....?

2006-03-23 14:25:11
260.   D4P
Ziyi Zhang >>> Yunjin Kim
2006-03-23 14:25:17
261.   Eric L
256 So it's hypothetically Sun from Lost and Alyssa Milano vs. Paul LoDuca's wife (Sonia, found it from the google search). Does anyone know if Encarnacion's wife is hot?

We can really settle this debate once and for all if we know about Encarnacion's wife. Right now, the Dodgers won the trade.

2006-03-23 14:25:51
262.   Telemachos
257 (and others) I think it's a tip of the hat to DT's range that I need to bow out for the rest of the day until I get a change to watch last night's LOST. Mustn't risk any spoilers, after all. :)
2006-03-23 14:26:13
263.   Christina
Xeifrank will kill me, but what's everyone's take on last night's ep, then?

Is Sun lying?

Or did the island fix Jin's "problem" the way it cured Locke's paralysis?

2006-03-23 14:27:17
264.   Christina
262 Oops, posted that before your post. I did try to word mine ambiguously just in case, though.
2006-03-23 14:27:25
265.   Eric L
259 Not to umm, incriminate myself..

They showed her during a game one time and I thought "man that girl looks alot like the girl in the playboy video that one of my friend's has" cough, cough.

Not that I have seen the video or anything. Or even owned it one point. I just heard that they look alike.

2006-03-23 14:29:07
266.   Jon Weisman
If the turn in this discussion of the trade is wrong, I don't want to be right.
2006-03-23 14:29:53
267.   oldbear
You can google Sonia Flores videos and find the video she is in.

Or go to Sonia Flores IMDB page. I still dont think its the same girl. The Sonia Flores that was in the playboy video has also been in a Tupac/Biggie movie in 2003...

2006-03-23 14:30:27
268.   D4P
It's hot wrong, not regular wrong.
2006-03-23 14:30:52
269.   Jon Weisman
263 - She seemed pretty convincingly at peace to me at the very end, and she doesn't strike me as someone who would be at peace with deceit. But I can't say 100 percent.
2006-03-23 14:31:59
270.   oldbear
Would Loduca's wife take a bit role in a Tupac movie?
2006-03-23 14:32:45
271.   Eric L
266 I thought I would spice it up a bit. It's certainly more fun than the same old boring debate we've had here in the last 2 years.

At least hotness is something that is actually subjective. I can say that I have seen alot of hot women and know what hot is without it actually being wrong.

267 Maybe Paulie and Sonia weren't a couple in 2003. I know exactly which video she was in. Not that I have watched it anything (wink).

2006-03-23 14:35:18
272.   Penarol1916
269. I agree, I think that it was just another island miracle. I also have to add that I thought this was the best episode of the series since the beginning of the 1st season. I kind of like Henry Gale. Isn't it odd though that he comes to the island on a balloon like the Wizard came to Oz and he has Dorothy's last name?
2006-03-23 14:35:26
273.   MartinBillingsley31
We need a solid ace starting pitcher for 2007, and billingsley to be dominant for 2007.
We need to acquire 2 solid ops guys(one for the outfield to go along with drew and guzman, and one for 1b) and we need to hope kent can continue to produce and re-sign him, and hope that laroche is ready and is a solid ops guy.
All of that will push cruz and mueller to the bench with ledee and seanz, making the bench better and keeping the repkos of the world off the team.
Losing gagne is gonna hurt, which makes getting better starting pitching even more important.
Hopefully we can unload tomko, if not then put him in the pen.

All of this is gonna require a slightly higher payroll, but if you want to win you gotta spend unless you have a bunch of prospects producing.

The 2006 team has flaws, but probably good enough to win our weak division but knocked out in the 1st round.

There, i had my say.

2006-03-23 14:35:37
274.   Christina
269 I thought her expression when hugging Jin varied - she'd go from looking loving to looking worried to looking loving again. Not that that necessarily means anything. I doubt they told Yunjin the truth, so she had to play it ambiguously to leave the door open for either possibility.

It also occurs to me that Sun herself isn't completely sure either one way or another, and unless Sawyer is packing another kind of test away in his supplies, she will never have any way of knowing until/unless she ever gets off the island.

2006-03-23 14:36:13
275.   Linkmeister
Not a spoiler:

I wonder what the inside joke was when we saw Sawyer reading Judy Blume.

2006-03-23 14:36:42
276.   Jon Weisman
272 - It was definitely up there.

The ending was chilling, I thought.

2006-03-23 14:38:17
277.   Christina
275 Not just any Judy Blume, but "Are You There, God? It's Me, Margaret". And I can guess what the inside joke is - that book has a lot in it on the subject of menstrual periods.
2006-03-23 14:38:28
278.   Jon Weisman
275 - As an outside joke, I thought it was pretty good!

I'd also like to say that Hurley did more with a "Hi, Sun" line than most people could do.

2006-03-23 14:40:27
279.   Linkmeister
277 Oh, yeah. I'd forgotten about the content of that particular book. You're more than likely right.
2006-03-23 14:41:12
280.   Christina
272 The name Henry Gale alone is enough to convince me the guy is an Other who just made up his name. The actor is terrific.

276 I found the ending very chilling also.

2006-03-23 14:42:25
281.   oldbear
Maybe Paulie and Sonia weren't a couple in 2003.

Sonia Flores IMDB Page:

Movie Review of Tupac and Biggie movie she was accredited to be in:

Excerpt of the review: In one scene, he interviews Sonia Flores, the former girlfriend of two LAPD officers — Rafael Perez and David Mack — who Broomfield has linked to killings. Flores proceeds to go on about their drug use and kinky sex-capades, with Broomfield encouraging her for more lurid details.

So Loduca you think is married to this woman?

2006-03-23 14:44:41
282.   Christina
279 Thinking on it some more, I think it's actually two inside jokes for the price of one, since the other major plot of the book involves Margaret trying to decide between religions. On the island, we've got Locke's New Agey-ness, Eko and Charlie's Catholicism, and Jack's faith in science.
2006-03-23 14:44:41
283.   Bob Timmermann
Wouldn't you think that if Lo Duca's wife were even somewhat famous as described in 281 wouldn't the New York papers had been all over it?

Also, Lo Duca lives fulltime in San Antonio, which is not exactly the center of the entertainment industry.

2006-03-23 14:45:38
284.   Christina
283 So, bottom line, we can safely say the Dodgers won the trade, then.
2006-03-23 14:47:33
285.   Bob Timmermann
The actor playing Henry Gale, Michael Emerson, is pretty creepy for a guy who looks somewhat twerpy.

The known "Others" we've seen William Mapother and M.C. Gainey are fairly big guys.

2006-03-23 14:48:43
286.   Eric L
281 I was speculating. Seems like it isn't the same girl. The small amount of info on google seems to indicate that LoDuca's Sonia is from San Antonio. With LoDuca playing in San Antonio in 1997, that is probably the more likely connection.
2006-03-23 14:52:29
287.   oldbear
I found this that backs up your claim Eric L.

This is just a messageboard, but the last guy says she used to work at Hooters in Texas.

2006-03-23 14:55:53
288.   Xeifrank
"Status Kuo" haha! In Taiwan this last name is spelled Kuo, but in mainland China it is spelled Guo. In both places it is pronounced "Gwo" as the "uo" has a "wo" sound to it.

Ok, I'm reading that Navarro won't be ready for opening day and that Alomar is going to be the starter opening day. Now is this just for opening day? Or is Martin going to get the larger portion of catcher at bats while Navarro is rehabbing?
vr, Xei

2006-03-23 14:56:24
289.   Eric L
287 Interesting. I'm wondering if the listing on IMDB is a mistake (the Biggie and Tupac thing). I'm guessing that Sonia Flores is a pretty common name, despite what the person on the message board says.
2006-03-23 14:58:31
290.   oldbear
Maybe there are 3 different Sonia Flores...

1 that did playboy
1 that was involved in the Biggie murder
1 that worked at hooters in Texas and married Loduca.

Who knows?

2006-03-23 15:00:16
291.   Christina
I can easily see the existence of three Sonia Flores.

I can easily see the existence of 3000 Sonia Flores. It is Texas, after all.

2006-03-23 15:02:38
292.   Eric L
290 That could very well be the case. I don't know why I'm spending this much time pondering the idea. Let's just say it's a fresh and new debate and I'll leave it at that.
2006-03-23 15:04:04
293.   Eric L
291 Not to mention that the girl in the Biggie/Tupac thing was in LA.
2006-03-23 15:11:40
294.   Christina
On another note, did anyone watch the "The Shield" season finale?
2006-03-23 15:25:17
295.   Eric L
Back to baseball...

Interesting article about Soriano's move to left field over at TinyURL isn't responding right now, so I broke the url up into 2 lines (so we don't break anything here).

2006-03-23 15:28:38
296.   trainwreck
I just noticed the advertisment on the right side for Brick. I am really looking forward to that film as it is an ohmage to old film noir and apparently has a really creative mystery plot that has a clever marketing strategy. My friend had mints with arrows on them and and that is apparently a clue in the film.
2006-03-23 15:30:36
297.   Sushirabbit
Nice plot twist yourself, Eric L.!

Or maybe school let out.

I'm not much on TV. I watch Monk occasionally with my wife, but either DT or one of my friends suggested I watch Veronica Mars. I've seen like 8 episodes and, while I don't think it's the greatest, it's better than I thought it would be. I'm still not big on teenage angst of any kind.

2006-03-23 15:33:50
298.   Eric L
297 Despite not having a job, I'm behind on my TV watching. I caught up on the Soprano's and Scrubs the other day. I still need to watch the last couple of West Wings and last weeks The Office (and Earl).

I wasn't big on network TV stuff until our DirecTV system came with it's TiVO. I like it much better than the DVR I had with DishNetwork.

2006-03-23 15:40:22
299.   natepurcell
hello all. seems like it was a busy day today at DT.
2006-03-23 15:45:06
300.   jasonungar05
"Yesterday I took ground balls from shortstop and made about five backhand plays and threw from the hole. No problem, no pain." -Izzy

This is the story I have been following the most out of curiosity on how it all plays out.

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2006-03-23 15:46:35
301.   Bob Timmermann
Most likely Izzy will have to draw a map for Furcal and Colletti to show them where his elbow ligament is really located.
2006-03-23 15:48:11
302.   natepurcell
best case scenario involving izzy-

he shows hes healthy and returns to his 2004 with the glove and bat. colletti engineers a 3 team trade involving the mets, nationals with izturis, jayson werth and lance carter going to the nations, soriano going to the mets and lastings milledge going to the dodgers.

and yes, "whos to say" this isnt possible?

2006-03-23 15:51:04
303.   Eric L
301 Can the map also include the area where his "new" elbow ligament came from?
2006-03-23 15:57:29
304.   Christina
302 I'd be down for that. I really wanted Izzy to be traded last season while he was injured, and that was before his epic slump.
2006-03-23 16:15:10
305.   Jon Weisman
I'm TiVoing the UCLA-Gonzaga game to watch late, but if anyone wants to chat about it, feel free to do so in this thread.

Otherwise, chat can continue here.

2006-03-23 16:20:07
306.   Bob Timmermann
You mean you're putting off watching the game just so you can watch all those old reruns of "Becker" you have saved up?
2006-03-23 16:25:06
307.   Jon Weisman
Ted Danson is putting off watching the game so he can read "The Best of Dodger Thoughts."
2006-03-23 16:37:54
308.   DXMachina
274. I think that if Sun needed to be deceitful, all she had to do was not tell Jin what the doctor had told her.

Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy's uncle (Auntie Em's husband).

2006-03-23 16:39:33
309.   Bob Timmermann
Wouldn't someone who had survived the crash remembered if some rich had tried to go around the world in a balloon? Steve Fossett is on the news a lot.
2006-03-23 16:55:45
310.   ElysianPark62
If they can televise curling, why not televise decathlons?

I was in two high school academic decathlons in the 80s. The first year, our coach made everyone wear blazers and ties in our school colors, which looked good on the guys but not on us girls. I think I still have that tie.

2006-03-23 17:01:12
311.   Christina
308 I thought of that, and it's logical. But it also occurred to me that telling Jin what the doctor said might have been Sun's way of giving him a final test. Jin was kind of Jekyll and Hyde all through the episode, and his admission at the end as to why he was being nice again was less to do with Sun herself and more to do with the fact she's the only other one who speaks Korean. So perhaps Sun wanted to see how he'd react to this - if she didn't like his reaction, then no problem, she says it's the other guy's and then Jin has no claim. It's not like Sun would be able to hide her condition from Jin forever.
2006-03-23 17:52:49
312.   Uncle Miltie
The refs really want Duke to win. They've been cheating for the last 10 minutes, calling little touch falls on LSU, and nothing on Duke.
2006-03-23 18:00:23
313.   Uncle Miltie
2006-03-23 18:04:42
314.   Andrew Shimmin
From way up thread: ToyCannon- I do regret me that in my woozy stupor, I did attempt to engage you on park factors. If I'd just read, clearly, what you'd writen, I would have avoided the problem by realizing that I had nothing to add. Yes, the numbers I posted were three year averages. Yes, you posted Wrigley and I misread that as F-E-N-W-A-Y, inexplicably. Yes, your reason for using 2005 only was a good one. You were completley right, and I was completely scatterbrained.

That said, I watch a lot of baseball, and let me just tell you, mister. . .

2006-03-23 18:21:23
315.   Marty
Man, I pick this afternoon to get my windshield replaced and miss Christina. Welcome back!
2006-03-23 18:31:12
316.   D4P
My bracket has been reborn. I have LSU in the Final Four.
2006-03-23 18:33:44
317.   D4P
Check that: I have LSU in the championship game.
2006-03-23 18:37:23
318.   Linkmeister
317 Not me. I had what I thought was the easiest choice of all in Duke. Curse you, Tigers!
2006-03-23 18:38:41
319.   Marty
I had Duke in the championship game. This is the final nail in my NCAA coffin.
2006-03-23 18:42:26
320.   Steve
Good, solid fundamental basketball by Duke there in that last two minutes.
2006-03-23 18:47:55
321.   D4P
I went with Duke last year, but they let me down. I wasn't about to let that happen again.

"Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."

2006-03-23 18:49:21
322.   natepurcell
carney from memphis is one of the most dynamic players in college basketball.
2006-03-23 18:53:08
323.   dagwich
There will be a lot of long faces at my work tomorrow at Duke. However, it is great for my bracket since I picked LSU and everybody else of course picked the Blue Devils.

Things are pretty grim on the Blue Devil Radio Network -- everybody on the edge of tears. I listen out of morbid curiousity.

2006-03-23 18:54:21
324.   D4P
I picked LSU and everybody else of course picked the Blue Devils.

Same here. My wife's co-workers made fun of us for choosing LSU. They all have Duke going to the finals.

2006-03-23 19:19:10
325.   das411
Before we scare her away again...

224 - Superquiz was always fun for our team because we would fist-pump and such when we had to certify our correct answers. Other teams HATED that, but we had SWAGGER!! I also took home 8 medals in that tournament. Just FYI.

Christina, do you mean Quiz Bowl is the televised one? There was a big article about that in the NYTimes mag a couple of months ago, Ken Jennings and a group of professional nerds like him were trying to spread the game to more high schools iirc.

Youse all should go rent or download "Cheaters" though, two hours later you will know exactly how telegenic Academic Decathlong is.

321 - HAHAHAHA, I had Fastball on my campus the week before the 2004 election and they played "Can't get fooled again" between rants. Then our county went red.

Hmm, actual baseball content...has anybody read the book full of lies about Barry Bonds yet?

2006-03-23 21:36:56
326.   D4P
I'm a bit surprised this place hasn't turned into Bruin Thoughts tonight...
2006-03-23 21:46:45
327.   Andrew Shimmin
326- We're all down here. Jon wanted didn't want it in this thread.

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