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Are you willing to drink a beer or eat nacho cheese that was poured no more than five minutes before you ordered, if it would significantly reduce the amount of time you waited in line to by food at Dodger Stadium?
People already accept hot dogs that were grilled before they ordered them. Still, the food lines at Dodger Stadium deteriorate rapidly, because the workers taking the customer orders are also on a treadmill of salting pretzels, pouring, de-foaming and topping off beers, and wandering about to fill nacho cheese requests.
So far, the best solution the Dodgers have come up with is installing more television sets in the food lines so that people aren't as anxious about their wait. I say that more needs to be done to make the food lines move faster - and reducing serving time is the area where the most dramatic change can be made.
That's what brings about my question. Would you object to the Dodger food servers pre-pouring to stay just ahead of the pace of orders? Would you be willing to drink a five-minute-old drink, if it meant you got back to your seat 10 minutes sooner?
P.S. As reader "bhsportsguy" recalled in the previous thread, the Dodgers used to have a buffet style setup. This was superior, because food was out there for you to grab (and being refreshed all the time), you could still request special orders such as extra grilling for your hot dog, and people could jump ahead of you to pay if they had all they wanted.
But in the short term, I think the pre-pour method is what's needed.
Is this just a topic of discussion for entertainment sake, or is there a way of actually making a change?
Also, they need to bring back the crank oninon and relish things, but that's another topic.
So are there no onions at all?
4 - Good. If the onions were gone, I was going to abstain from Dodger Stadium in protest until the onions were returned. It's that important to me; I feel stronly about my condiments.
I do agree with Vishal that cheese on nachos should be hot. However, I never plan to order baseball nachos again in my life after last season, where some nachos I ordered at the Coliseum forced me to leave the A's game early and gave me the worst food poisoning case of my life. Just the sight of baseball nachos is enough to give me a sick feeling in my stomach even now. Sooooo...my vote doesn't really count here.
Unless you plan on petitioning the California Legislature to change the rules for the sale of alcoholic beverages in the state, there won't be any beer vendors.
You can get a beer brought to you if you are in seats with waiter service.
PT 2 - Is there any reason they can't have dog vendors in the seats? I know the dogs might not be as good as from a stand, but some people would take that tradeoff to avoid getting up, and it would relieve pressure on the whole system.
PT 3 - I guess bhsportsguy and I recalled the old cafeteria lines simultaneously in the last thread. More of that.
Our solution is to eat before going to the park or grab Dodger Dogs, etc., before the game, when we first get there. Then we can snack from the vendors in the stands without missing the action.
Case in point. I order 2 hot dogs. that's it. no drink, nothing else. Takes at least 90 seconds to get my order. Long time for a simple order and there's a long line behind you. Here's how it goes. she takes my order. talks to co worker for about 10 seconds. meanders over to the hot dogs. puts one in a bun (fumbling like it's the first time, even though I've seen her doing this for 2 years). comes back, wraps in foil. talks to co worker. meanders back to hot dogs, fumbles over bun, inserts hot dog, meanders back. Wraps that hot dog. Looks for bag. Finds it and puts both in it. Talks to co worker. Tells me price. Takes my money. Talks to co worker. fumbles over change. And, like a true new yorker, gives me my change with a dirty look. gotta love it!!! Glad they don't put the toppings on these things or they'd be 30 minutes.
If only this were an isolated case!
Anyhow, I'm guessing there is something that could be done to move the workers a little more efficiently...
The hot dogs were in a igloo-like container, but was heated so the dogs stayed hot. They also had a mini tray with them with ketchup, mustard, onions and relish.
It was pretty sweet, hot dogs delivered to your seat.
I always wondered why it was never introduced here.
I think the big problem with selling hot dogs with vendors is finding something safe to carry around a lot of hot food and dealing with carrying around condiment packages.
I think the only hot food that is sold by vendors are the little pizzas because they stack nicely and are fairly easy to handle.
That said, here's a guy with an idea:
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Pneumatic_20Stadium_20Food
Show up 30 to 45 minutes early and load up on staples like hot dogs and drinks.
If you want to eat anything else, pray someone comes wandering down the aisles with what you want.
If you need beer, go to the beer outpost, do not go to the general concession stand.
Of course, if everyone instituted this plan, it wouldn't work anymore.
http://tinyurl.com/m6a6m
They already have pre-pour drinks at the Panda Express, and IIRC at the Carl's Jr. My problem with this is that no matter what the label over the drinks say, you get a regular Coke.
This may be the bigger problem; fans not willing to bring enough cash to the game.
(Granted, the prices are getting out of hand, but still whenever I go to a game (like tonight :) I always bring at least 60-80 dollars to cover myself plus one.
The Cardinals_Bucs dawdled at 2:12.
I'm excited about this Penny/Marshall matchup. Isn't this kid supposed to be pretty good?
"Reggie Abercrombie of the Marlins recorded the first home run of his major league career in the top of the 6th inning. The 493 foot upper deck solo shot was the 3rd longest home run to be hit in the Great American Ballpark."
vr, Xei
You can bring in water bottles as long as they aren't too big.
At Shea and Yankee stadiums they have multiple beer carts out near the concession stands. It cuts the hot dog line in half, and I've found that if you're at the ball game with a friend, you can divide and conquer (one in the beer line, one in the food line) and be back to your seats in 5-10 minutes.
The Dodgers should do this.
Jon is obviously worried about a bear wearing a hat stealing his picuhnic basket. That bear is smarter than average I hear.
The Dodgers do already have separate lines that are mostly devoted to beer.
But if you're getting beer and food, what's the point of splitting up and getting in two lines? Are you saying they have a line that serves food but no beer?
You order a hot dog, beer and peanuts.
as soon as you say hot dog the worker starts to walk way away from the register to get the hot dog, then they come back and ask what else? then you say beer and peanuts. they then have to walk some distance from the register and come back and then ask about the beer. Then after pouring the beer they study the items that are in front of them and start to ring them up.
This doesn't happen in places outside the stadium. Outside they would ring up all three items, barely have to turn around for most items or have someone helping out getting the items. Just having to repeat all three items three times slows everything down not to mention the roaming they have to to do to get a hot dog which should be right next to them.
1) Take the order and immediately input into cash register and have display showing what was ordered.
2) The staples(hot dog, peanuts etc) should be at the fingertips of the cashier.
3) should be a roamer handling the nacho cheese type items.
Or just operate it like every other fast food restaurant operates outside the stadium. ridiculous. i've been to dodger stadium, The Pond and Ange stadium this year and they are all the same. No system at all.
A couple solutions:
1. Eat before the game. Most of the food at Dodger Stadium isn't very good anyways. Who wants to pay $6-7 for a soggy Carl's Jr. hamburger? Eat at Philippes. You can get a nice French Dip sandwich for only $5.
2. Before the game, stop by Subway or Quizno's and pickup a sandwich for the game. You can bring these into the stadium.
3. If you really want to eat something at Dodger Stadium while you're there, buy some peanuts from the vendors.
The benefits of doing what I suggested above are:
1. You won't miss any of the game standing in a line
2. You won't pay exuberant prices for low quality food
3. You won't feel sick from eating the vermin infested food at Dodger Stadium
Congratulations to Abercrombie. He has unbelievably bad plate discipline, but he's a great defender and has some power. He probably won't be much worse than Lofton this year.
vr, Xei
It sounds like LA needs a new baseball stadium more than you know...Sam, any input on how much better the system at CBP is? As much as I liked the old food court at the Vet, the cafeteria-style stands are just sooo much more efficient, and the table + viewing areas where you can stand and watch the game clear up all of the congestion. The only traffic at Phillies games is trying to make your way past Harry the K's to Ashburn Alley, where you can throw...er, deliver stuff to the other team's bullpen.
I can't understand how anyone eats the gross yellow "cheese" found in ballparks and Disneyland like places. If you love Nacho's I would think these things would be offensive to your pallet.
Abercrombie's home run was an absolute bomb. It made Miggy's 450 shot look pedestrian.
if you are buying beer only it is real easy. they sell plastic bottles all over the place in little portable mini stands but don't go to one that is located near a bathroom. those lines are always longer. walk a little bit and there will be a much shorter line.
to which field was it hit?
Concerned that the Dodgers are losing? Don't watch them. Concerned about your children's education? Don't educate them. Concerned about pollution? Don't breathe.
I apologize for sounding annoyed, but there's a certain patronizing quality to these suggestions. (And by the way, I love Philippes, but the lines before a game there are murder, too, not to mention the extra time it takes to drive there. Another reason that's not really germane to this topic.)
Japanese stadiums have so many beer vendors because:
1) nearly everybody at the park wants beer
2) about 1% of the crowd at any game is driving home
Beer vendors in the seats at sporting events in California are not used because it is against the law to pass a beer down the aisle. The person serving the beer must put in the hand of the purchaser. This is supposed to prevent the beer from falling into the hands of a minor.
Hey, I didn't say it was a great reason, but that's the reason.
This is not a problem at Angel Stadium, Phone Booth Park, Camden Yards, or Coors Field. All of these places have superior food and much shorter lines. I've never waited in line for food for more than 15 minutes, other than at a Dodgers game.
Last Saturday--during a sellout game--In the top of the second inning I got nachos and a hot dog in the food line. It took me two minutes. Then I bought a beer in the beer line. It took me maybe 4 minutes. I was back to my seat after missing two batters.
I think the solution is to add more concession carts. The more vendors, the shorter the lines.
If yet another tangent will be permitted . . .
the best food experience I've had at any ballpark was the much celebrated Smoked Meat in Montreal. My god that was a good sandwich. I went to the most famous smoked meat deli in downtown Montreal, and while good, the sandwich at the Big O was better.
Not germane to this discussion, because getting smoked meat was a logistical nightmare. I went during a rare, late resurgence in interest in the Expos, so it was quite crowded and the one smoked meat stand was impossible to find. That stadium was a serious labrynth.
If I were the Washington Nationals, the one thing I'd do to acknowledge the organization's history would be to sell smoked meat. Maybe have Rusty Staub seve it up.
1. Put food items closer to the cashiers, so that they don't have to wander around looking for your food. I sat in the field level last night, and noticed that there was a nacho "cheese" dispenser between every pair of cashiers. This is a step in the right direction. They could also do what movie theatres do: offer cheese in pre-packaged cups that stay warm under a heat lamp. I guess this denigrates the quality of the nachos a bit, but how much can you denigrate something that's already so disgusting?
2. The old buffet lines are still there on the Reserve level. It's just that they've been converted to Carls Jr and Panda Express. I say get rid of the Carls. Who actually eats there during games?
3. overkill94 has already touched on this: It seems that the people staffing the concession stands move very very slow. People who can't cut it should be fired. Workers need to be motivated to move faster. Period. In college I worked at a sandwich shop where we were expected to make a sandwich in less than a minute. If we consistently failed at this, we were demoted or let go. Pouring two beers shouldn't take five minutes. Period.
4. Crank style onions and relish dispense quicker and cleaner. Bring 'em back. They have them at Petco. We should have 'em, too.
5. In movie theatres, Starbucks, and fast food drive thru windows, they now have credit card machines that don't require a signature. They're remarkably quick and save quite a few steps. Dodger Stadium should have this same sort of system.
6. If someone pays with cash, they should save a bit of money. Offer a $.50 discount on Dodger Dogs for anyone paying with cash.
How about an express line that only sells things that are ready to do (dogs, and items in packages). No nachos, pretzels, soft serve, or, yes, drinks. I often buy food at the stadium, but I never buy drinks.
However, being a DS concessionaire has got to be pretty grinding work even at half speed, and as others have pointed out, they don't have the best system set up in which to work. They can't be paid all that well, either.
Its like baseball. A little hustle is never a bad thing, and makes the right impression, but it may be less important to the outcome than you think.
It gets the stadium good PR for hiring the disabled, although it sometimes smacks of exploitation since people are far less likely to get angry at someone in a wheelchair for not getting them their nachos in a timely way.
This doesn't happen in places outside the stadium.
Places outside the stadium don't have unionized employees. Outside the stadium, you are free to go elsewhere if the cave dweller behind the counter takes 43 minutes to complete a single order.
Naugles' used to have a policy of hiring the mentally handicapped and allowing them to run the drive-thru window. (The fact that I can remember a time when there was such a chain probably dates me.) They had the consistently worst window service of any chain, with the possible exception of In-N-Out Burger, but you can at least excuse In-N-Out because they cook every order after it's ordered. At Naugles', they were just bad. And it's like that at nearly every food concession window at every stadium I've been to. It's a rarity to get even mediocre service at a ballpark, which explains the popularity of Carl's, Jr. and Panda Express-style grab-and-go windows. Biggest secret in the park: you can snag a Dodger Dog at Panda Express. And the only waiting is to get to the cashier. Considering the environment, both these franchises are to be congratulated for isolating the problem to its core, and relieving their clearly not-ready-for-fast-food-prime-time workers of having to think too hard about anything besides how much change to give from a $20 on an $18.52 bill.
In order: Over my dead body, and I do. Of course, consistently eating at Carl's may assist in the onset of the former, so there you go.
I was thinking about the concessions problems last season every time I went to the Stadium. My idea was to have the cashiers stay at the register and have separate food runners filling the orders. I think they would make up for the added cost in more sales. Really, the lines are a huge deterrent to ordering food.
Seems like a lot of good suggestions but more stands, more food only, drink only options and more concessionaires would help. I also agree get rid of Carl's go back to Dodger burgers & fries in the old buffet line system perhaps one on each level.
I should also add that I've noticed that it depends on the area you are sitting in at DS. The pavilion is quick most of the time, but that's because of the lack of beer. The field level closer to home plate moves quickly.
I really think everything got slower when they started adding the credit card readers. What about a cash only line at each stand?
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/stl_today_burwell1/
In Milwaukee we solve the long line problem by sneaking beer into Miller Park in our coat pockets - or getting blitzed tailgating in the parking lot before the game, which is not an option at Dodger Stadium I suppose.
vr, Xei
vr, Xei
88 - So when will we spoil tonight's "Lost" for everybody Xeifrank?
The most shocking thing I'm reading though is about the onions coming in dispensers, you mean they don't carmelize them for you at the grill like at the Cell?
90. Unfortunately there is no Lost tonight.
I want to know where in the fine print on your ticket, you get the right to get drunk and annoy everyone around you and chant profanities at people.
It must be toward the end.
http://islostarepeat.com/
Sort of a variation on the Abe Vigoda status page?
My fond memories are now tempered only by my overwhelming craving for a Naugleburger.
I had a friend at school last year who worked in one of the school libraries and slept in another. When seeing him walk around campus, it was a fair question to ask if he was commuting or going to class. Despite this, or maybe because of it, the guy hated to read.
Beer vendors in the seats at sporting events in California are not used because it is against the law to pass a beer down the aisle
No matter how civilized and progressive a society seemingly is, fascism is always around the corner.
I think this is a great question!
However...I'm not willing to wait in line for food at ALL any more. I went to a game last year and waited in line for 45 minutes. I felt like I missed the entire game. Now I just bring food to the game. I like a dog and a beer at a baseball game -- I mean it IS baseball. But I also like having money to spend in my real life. And it is soooooo expensive to eat Dodger food. $8 for a beer is not just robbery is it insulting. I can get a six pack for that. Worse than that...do I need to have the effects of 2 beers in my system when watching these Dodgers?? I get mad enough as it is... Maybe a little blurry vision would prevent me from the frustration of not recognizing virtually any of the players in my favorite team's uniforms. So sadly to say, I'd rather pound a few beers in the parking lot than wait for a minute for an $8 beer. I wouldn't really consider it, save for the one game a year my office goes to a game and I can expense a $64 meal...
Go I guess I'm not going squirrel trapping tonight.
My fake binoculars that held alcohol were even cooler, but alas I left them at the stadium the first time I brought them.
Frank McCourt has said that the concessions and the bathrooms are the next projects at the stadium, I'm sure most of these comments are not new to them, I am perturbed that they still don't have the media guides for sale even after their PR guy was hawking them on the "official" blog over a month ago.
111 - that really made me laugh
I admire the style of using fake binoculars to sneak liquor in. In high school, we re-routed the windshield washer feed in a friend's car to the glove compartment. We would then fill the resevoir with cheap wine. Then we'd just hold a cup up to the glove compartment, hit the switch and fill er up.
http://tinyurl.com/pmz9o
Who needs Hochevar?
although that sounds cool I'm sure my friends and I would somehow end up drinking the wiper fluid instead. we weren't the brightest guys.
PhoneCo.Park in SF is a bit better (especially if you're fortunate enough to have club level seats and can partake in some of the more gourmet options there), whatever that's saying.
And that is why I still read Dodger Thoughts. I'm still laughing.
Even with security DS is still very easy to bring anything you want into the stadium. I use those see through bags they gave away in 2004 and I've never had a security guard take the time to actually open it up. The false security if someone really wanted to cause a problem is beyond scary.
111 - I need to remember that for the next book.
Game thread open up top.
no, they're not ruined quite that fast, but the clock is ticking. not only does the cheese get cold, but the chips get soggy. 5 extra minutes of it sitting out at the food stand is 5 fewer minutes of my enjoyment of them. usually the nachos are done being awesome before i've completely finished eating them, so i feel like the extra time is pretty crucial.
Well said.
Things would be different in a society where interaction was face-to-face, instead of through intermediaries.
TV characters would be embarrassed to be so vulgar to you right in your own living room.
Imagine if Mr. McCourt himself had to serve you that beer, and say the words, "that'll be eight bucks".
But then there's Adam Smith and his division of labour. Long ago we all made a pact to sacrifice civility for not having to grow our own hot dogs.
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